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Eric and Owen- Post southern carpet fest, season updates and much more!
Episode #245
In this episode we will be talking about our recent trip to the Southern Carpet Fest. We will also be hitting on how the 2016 breeding season is progressing and some of the other current happenings from the reptile world.
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reptile related [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Good evening everybody welcome to another episode of Morelia Python radio apparently Owen can hear me pre-show I don't know what was up with that but uh you're like moving around and breathing and I'm like oh god apparently our mute on our show thing doesn't work I don't know okay fair enough it's not me this time it's not me this time that felt that felt really good didn't it so good so we're back from carpet fest southern carpet fest and partially alive yeah alive yeah so we survived yes so tonight we're going to be talking about you know it's just that Eric and Owen show and we're just going to be talking about things since the past couple weeks we really haven't had much time talking about what's going on our trip to nerd right you know the southern carpet fest what's going on with our our season all kinds of crazy stuff and then I'm just going to throw out various words throughout the show to see if Owen responds to them so stay tuned for that just random little words because you know there are things that I can't respond to because we're in a public arena but I really want to do a good job that is nice so yes carpet fest man would you think it's your first time the southern carpet fest well you know first up you know you and I get we're getting ready to go and we're at your place and your wife comes around the corner it's like oh there's a fire on like the runway at Philly so like they stopped flying all play so I'm like and it begins so it's like automatically right off the bat it's like here we go luckily they had that all cleared up by the time we got to Philly international and it really went smooth getting to the gate getting ready to roll and then you know to the point where you and I are like sitting at the gate for the plane looking at Fauna and talking about snakes we want to buy but then like you know getting there was awesome the plane ride was not at bat horrible but you know feel pretty no dude it was horrible it was horrible oh don't ever fly spirit they saw it don't ever do it oh my god you could reach the air bed because of the air bed yeah that was a funny picture but I really couldn't reach so like where they put those air beds they moved them so far over I don't think I could have reached so it was oh it was bumpy as hell and the seats were kind of crammed a little bit more than usual I was talking to Rob earlier and he was telling me that when I was telling him about the whole spirit flight yeah telling me that so if you can fit I'm just going to throw a number so you can fit 150 seats on a regular airline like if you're flying southwest or something like that spirit has like 162 they took every single fucking inch away didn't they yeah all right yeah so next year no spirit that's for sure but it's funny because we're about to board and I sent a picture of the gate and my one friend Amy was like the feet suck and like oh so it's like maybe this isn't good yeah but yeah and they were trying to get us a sign up for credit cards and they wouldn't give us even a free bag of peanuts so it's just a bad sure bad yeah there was a hell of a storm oh yeah we're arriving in Texas and it's hailing and like raining sideways Bill picks this up and it's like mon summing and but then it was like at 20 minutes later it was nothing but like clear skies so like Texas weather couldn't make up its mind when we got there and then we're pulling into the Gulf town or his block and I said which bank do you live in Bill because the houses are huge and gorgeous and they look like banks so we got the bills and of course he's immediately throwing beers at us and we kind of take the tour and you know we check out his snake room the plural because there's two and then we just hung out by the pool smoke cigars and we went to the restaurant with the waitresses and the uniforms that I like yeah we don't have that in Philly but that was quite nice good food and good eye candy anyway so fried okra who knew you know I don't know it's probably they're probably a bunch of people screaming at the radio going we knew you idiot northern boys but yeah it was fried okra and brisket and that was just delicious and you had the pulled pork and stuff so it was that was like that was awesome and then we just hung out to like three in the morning swapping reptile stories of like I think topics were like escapees and that led into like white wounds and then that led into you know what mammals have like made a chew toy out of Owen was just led into other stuff like that so it was cool I like I enjoy that kind of stuff yeah so that was that was day one and that was that was awesome and then yeah wake up good no no go ahead I mean we wake up day two and we're off to the races I mean we're we're relaxing for a while but then we started helping build set up and ready I say help with me we pointed to the guys who you know delivered the tables and told them where to put them so but yeah and then they brought that huge grill trailer oh yeah that was you know well hold on let me get my soapbox for a second slide it over here so I can step up on it and you're ready take it on so I mean for me personally these are the kind of things that as a keeper or breeder or a podcast host or whatever where you do this you spend a huge amount of time on it yeah and sometimes you can get burned out you know I mean sometimes you can I agree you can you can get to a point where you're just like oh man you know this is just it becomes it doesn't become fun anymore and these type of events are just the thing you need to recharge that battery to get you jazzed up to get you excited again you know to meet people and talk to people you know build new relationships strength and old ones you know and you know and just to get out there so people know your name and know what you're about and you know sometimes you talk snakes sometimes you talk other things and it turns back into snakes then it's something else snakes again and the next thing you know like yeah you know 12 hours has gone by and you know you're ready for 12 more hours and you feel excited about the hobby again that they're you know because it seems like when you look at Facebook it's nothing but negative and you see the bad and this guy's bad and he sold me this bad and you know this law is getting past it's bad and it's not until you get to places like this where you know people are just hanging out and you realize that you know what this this hobby this community is just made up of of people and that's what it is it's a community and you know that's the thing that attracted me to Moralia in the very very beginning man the very very beginning it was just about the people I mean you know I had to pass to choose I could go the ball python route or I could have went the carpet python route and I said you know what I said I really dig the way that these these people are over here in the carpet python world the Moralia world the chondro world they're about they're the they got each other's back you know I mean somebody down on those lock it just seems like today somebody does something bad and everybody's right away ready to kick them and beat them while they're down and not try to you know help them out or try to put them on the right track and you know I don't know man it's just you know and and and I mean not for nothing but you know Bill's a guy that you know I look up to a lot I think he's a super positive guy you know he's he's good to be around man he recharges you he he gets you excited that passion is flowing you know he super charges you and you know luckily he's opened his house to you know just you own his house and let all these strangers come in and look at his snakes and I was you know I was I was I was forced to I was forced to open my house yes so I was there's there's the two things right there you made me do it so that's true but you know but you're right and Bill and his wife are just far too positive of people it is ridiculous I mean they were happy as clams just to have everybody over and they were they are there I swear to God they're ninjas because you finished the corona you put it down you reach for the bottle again and it's a full corona with a lime in it and you don't know how the hell it got there and what happened to the other bottle but it's just like they're just like you do it like they're always just like boom drinks and I'm like okay well I guess I'm just gonna keep drinking and yeah but it was it was awesome to to be there and of course Bill medicine the airport and he was happy that we were there and of course you and I had already like at that point at that point you said of the train of the plane and you're like I'm just tired already so it was one of those things where he got it kind of lifted you back up just to have his positive outlook around even though he kept trying to put carpondros you know all for me and yeah and I gotta give I gotta give props to my boy Evan Evan Browder you know I mean he kind of took a page out of our book I know him and Bill and you know I mean they just made it happen man and that's the shit that has to set you know it's like you could talk about it to your blue in the face but they just made it happen like hey we're gonna hey look what these guys are doing up here in the Northeast let's do one down here boom they did it they made it happen and here they are two years on doing it man so and that's and that's the problem is a lot of times you hear more and more people planning and over planning they never actually do anything they just talk about it wouldn't be cool we do this almost or we'll do it next and then they never do it or they never schedule it's like take the plunge and then see how it works out and then worry about the kinks as you go forward the first part of this is not perfect the second carpet was not perfect I'm thinking anybody ate at the second carpet because everybody stared at a grill and didn't know what they do so we had to put in we had to put in a ruler like work if you feed yourself so it's like you know we had to do that out there was oh I was so mad but um because you're gonna get complaints about food with like guys come on so it's one of those things where you gotta just take the plunge and then work out the kinks as you go forward because I promise you there will always be kinks there'll always be something that gets slapped around and you can always get ideas from other people like you and I were looking for our very own cornhole boards this morning because we wanted to have that bean bite game that Bill has at his house because that was just far too much fun so let's see what we can do with that yeah I mean you know so this year they had shirts which again I give a shout out to Austin red beard reptiles you know again another guy that you know I could talk to that dude forever you know I mean he's super passionate passionate I like people that are passionate because they make me passionate I keep saying that word I know but like I said when you go and you do that everyone's gonna be drunk by the end of the show but uh you know they drinking right now yeah they did an awesome whenever it's me and you man people drink so so he did an awesome job on the t-shirt yeah it was it was awesome but uh no I mean you know it cracks me up so people will go and they'll travel to reptile shows people will go and they'll you know Tinley Park here they're everywhere but you know these kind of things sometimes get overlooked you know sometimes I get it shit happens you know life happens stuff gets in the way but I'm telling you man if it's it costs us what maybe what 300 bucks to get tickets down there if that I don't remember if that I think it was I think it was like two something each if that yeah so all that ended up wasn't wasn't that much so I so I didn't go out and buy a pair of Cali Kings all right congratulations I can go to Texas now so at the end of the day I think that you'll you'll gain more from going to an event like this than you ever would you know go into a reptile show or something like that you know and what's called carpet fest you know it's called carpet fest because personally we're all kind of love carpet pythons but really it's it's a reptile fest it's it's just a bunch of reptile nerds getting together and hanging out and talking talking about you know what what they like what they don't like what was your success what was what what what do you have a question about you know like you know just talking to people and getting different ideas about things I don't know man it it's just a really good thing to do I wish more more people did it you know I really do yeah but we also have to give a shout out to Matt Morris and Shane I think his lesson was Dobson they hooked it up with the food man I mean those guys were on Saturday sweating their ass off you know pressing shit on Friday to get ready for cooking all day Saturday so they were they were getting ready to roll with that thing and like I said they brought this huge trailer that you would see they would be probably be at home at a you know tailgating for the Texas Longhorn so I think it was for and it's just a huge barbecue thing and they were talking to us how they have to smoke it and they have to use a certain type of wood because the guy who owns it wants to keep the same kind of flavor in the thing it's gotten this use of it and it kind of has this wonderful crust and it was I was just listening to them talk about the how they were going to run the thing it was awesome so and the food was delicious yeah yeah it was on point yeah I had had far too many margaritas but Tom I actually decided to eat so but it penetrated that and yeah margarita mixed with whatever else the hell so what was funny about that is is that you were saying about how at every turn we're drinking beers and you know we're never with a beer and yeah you know I think I probably drank maybe what four four five maybe six ronas and I wasn't feeling anything I drank one one margarita and I was like oh man floored everything fuzzy yeah oh god that happened fast yeah oh my god like I kept I kept drinking the margaritas and ended up just telling Alexis I said listen I'm floating face down in that pool somebody come get me so I think everybody keep checking the pool ever once in a while make sure oh it's not dead so it but they were strong margaritas and we kept drinking them which means we're gluttons for punishment yeah it was good time so yeah I mean there were the you know here's an example of what I'm talking about okay so we've had Matt Mars on the show for all the for people that don't know Matt for his his specialty is high yellow chondros he also wrote like the what would you call it like the I guess it's like a keepers guide over on the mv to to chondros him and Dave women did it what an awesome dude and we've talked to him on the show and I've talked to him via text message or pms or whatever and I really felt like I got to know him on that on the weekend you know we talked about you know we talked about lineage you know we talked oh man we must have talked for about a good half hour about how we felt that you know it was you know my thing was is that like a section of history of Morelia is going to be missing because the forum and you know my whole stance on that and he was saying about how he was saying about how like you know you know if hard drives crash and this information gets lost you know whatever yeah and like he was we were talking about some chondro lineages and he was telling me about how Greg Maxwell for people that don't know Greg Maxwell had he had an awesome site man as far as websites you know back in the day when it was chondros he was he was top notch man and you would go to a site and he had how to build cages and all the lineage of his animals and you know what theirings he was doing etc cetera etc how to take care of them all you know it was it was pretty pretty pretty extensive site and he sold his collection and yeah the guy that had it then sold it again and now you know all that all that information is kind of you know you have to go and hunt it back down and hope that somebody has it somewhere because you know it's it's other if not it's lost you know so yeah and he was saying that a lot of times on the MBF Facebook page a lot of the questions are hey need Lindy's information for this animal or hey I need picture of this guy's sire and it's a lot of stuff and a lot of and you just hope that someone has that information for you a lot of times he says or more often than not somebody does step forward with that information but it's very easy that all that could get lost real quick and these people who are either just getting into it or who are just purchasing animals and want to build a solid lineage book will never get all the information yeah and it was cool so you know I was telling him about how like a lot of my lineage I went back on MP and basically tracked down you know information and I think I think even you know Michael Penelle one of the clutches that he did he didn't have the pictures of the parents and the pictures of the of the grandparent you know like the grandparents and we tracked it down on MP and we were able to get it and you know that was if there was no MP we would never would have found it on Facebook you know and then also at the same time we were talking about how you know the positive side of Facebook is like you know I was telling about how I talked to all the Australian helpers all the time and probably wouldn't wouldn't have that same kind of you know accessibility field guys you know halfway around the world and you know so so it's it's frozen it's con so it's like you know I was telling him I was like I wish there was a way that you could get a forum to have that Facebook feel but you know probably the the problem is is that you know you won't have that many the same amount of people on it he at the same time he was saying that I can't remember who it was but there was somebody that he was trying to get information about a pairing or some lineage or whatnot and he actually did and I'm finding him on Facebook so you know it's got as good in his bed and you know we were kind of back and forth and talking about it and you love. Yeah it was pretty awesome but and of course you know he liked alternative and you know how you know we it's funny before we're coming down like you were saying earlier yeah we're both we're both have our phones in our hands and we're flipping through font and we're like oh that's a pretty cool species. I like that that's nice you should buy that no you should buy that one I gotta save the money for this. Yeah and then like nothing was purchased but it was and then I think it kept telling Bill the rule of me being a car professor someone had to take my phone away from me so I didn't order anything I'll phone up and you know had like 200 house snakes delivered to my house later some way that. But you're right but some of the ones you were looking at. Yeah I'll turn it is one you know like you have I think yours is the what the hell are they called the ones that not the rhinos but the. Oh the Baron's races. Yeah the Baron's race. Yes. You know I'll turn it. The blue ones I want the blue ones before everybody and their sister emails me pictures of their green ones. I want the blue ones. Yeah those go ahead. Yeah so it's. But it's one of those things where it was that though that's it for you the. Those are one of those are someone's your hardcore kind of hunting or looking into or something like that so. Yeah yeah definitely a species that I could see myself getting into for sure. At some point down the road. But yeah and then the actual carpet fest I want to say what maybe 80 people 80 maybe 100 I don't know it was quite. I don't know. 80 people in and out. Yeah. I was excited to finally meet Sean Christian. It was awesome to get to talk to him. You know another guy awesome guy I really I just like his approach to the hobby. He's a no nonsense guy just you know he says how he feels and. You know for those people that don't know because Sean's kind of been laying low the past couple years he's. The owner of MP so. To talk to somebody on the Internet for gosh this is since 2008. Finally meet him in 2016. That's pretty cool you know I was pretty excited so. It was very cool and then we kind of met that Terry Burwell. Yeah another awesome guy. Yeah he's coming at us with all these freaking. He was one with all the rat snakes and he's got the. A rough scale python adults so I got to like just sit down and geek out with him over those. And then he's involved with a lot of the stuffs about the rattlesnake roundup which a lot of people down there. Are getting kind of involved with not not that he goes and does it like the. Stop the rattlesnake roundup where people go and try to like crucify this guy. He he's trying to stop him he does not participate. So they're trying to do this other kind of roundup with I think it's that his wife was involved in it too. About like education not erratic is like not eradicating them so it was awesome to talk to him about that kind of stuff. So I know you and I had bounced a few things off each other about that earlier this year because we want to try to do like some kind of fundraiser for them. So it was really cool to talk to him about that stuff so we keep what we kept running into cool people. Yeah there's a cool picture of me you often and Terry just sitting around a table and that conversation that was at the end of the night like after we were done eating was. Yeah it was probably one of my favorites of the the weekend you know we were talking pretty intense there and it was awesome. Yeah it was it was very cool. So it was just like I absolutely love the entire carpet pass there was a lot of fun and. Bill knows how to throw a party already already was there we were talking with already about his new book and a few other things and other things that I won't go into because we want to have already come on and talk to us about them on you're oh yeah that's a good point like that's another thing like things that like if you meet somebody or on a forum or on Facebook they might not be able to tell you things and like. You know because they don't want it public and then you know you meet somebody on the face the face and they might you know tell you a few things that are kind of like people know now. I can't wait for his new book now just for that. I want to know what the hell's going on yeah so yeah. You know another another guy like I I'll let him tell it but basically a casuary and going to the bathroom. So you'll have to tune into that episode but my god. Oh let's just say don't go to the bathroom and pop a new guinea when cast fairies are around because it might probably. Right. And then I'll have to also get him to tell the story of of when he he got sick in the middle of the night. He told us that story already on air. Oh he did. Yeah if you don't know the story that Eric is talking about you need to go back and listen to some of the Ari one of the Ari episodes where we had him on because he told us that story because I remember that story and it was hilarious. Yeah you know there was another guy you know again another guy that I know from Facebook and just you know different things was Jason Bromley and I had no idea. I don't know how I don't know but he's like one of the admins over at the Bush league and you know again you just learn all these different things about people and it's pretty awesome. Yeah that's the pick over in the MP. There we go. Yeah. See Eric is talking so fast his hands are blurred. So you know he's imparting some crazy as passion knowledge on the three of us. That is that. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I think that was my. We were talking about we were talking about something and I was like my phrase of the night was you know I just like let it happen man Jesus take the wheel it is what it is. You said you were doing something and you're like I just kind of I kind of feel the energy the surgeon like the passion you're like I was trying not to use that word I'm like yeah I'm telling you it's okay. Yeah. Yeah it was like there was there were certain moments where you're trying not to use the word passion and I thought it was hilarious. Yeah. So. But yeah. That's just. What? What? I just randomly say rough scales and see if you stop get your attention. Hey, hey. Apparently work every time. Yeah. We were clean we were cleaning bills room and he's like oh and the rough scales are clean. I'm like I'll check before you and I opened up all the roughy drawers and he goes okay and then halfway through cleaning and I'm like oh wait the roughies might need to be changed again I open up all the drawers. So you know I kept going back to the rough scales because. His are siblings to my female and they're all the same sizes his and mine. And but just looking at him his male has more dark brown on his head is one girl has a little bit brighter cream color. So like just by analyzing these like horse makes it should all freakin look the same to anybody else I was like just having way too much fun. And then everybody kept trying to pull out ball python saying listen you can't tell me this thing doesn't look good. I'm like it doesn't look good. Why do you guys keep making me tell you these things so you know that was the fun part and Bill got me to admit that one looked kind of awesome really cool. So. Yeah. Yeah I just threw a link up in the chat room and basically it's just a whole bunch of pictures from the weekend. What the hell are you doing again man. Nothing I'm not doing anything I'm sitting here. That's a lie. No I'm sorry I took a drink. I apologize. Damn it. Go thirsty. Do you like if you're going to drink. I'm not going to do it. Listen you all listen to me drink. Now you're upset me so now we're going to do this. I'm talking I'm done speaking to you. Oh okay fair enough. So I thought it was pretty funny that the car ponders shit on you. That was funny. That was classic for sure. Classic. You know Bill has a collection that he does he does have quite a number of animals but he has a collection that is it's I guess for a black of a well I guess yes. It's high like all of his animals are top not. So it's high end man. He's very I guess he's very particular there's definitely no low level animals there because he's a lot of open cages. It's like he almost think that half the reptile people in the world would look at Bill's room and be like why is it so empty but it really isn't. He's got he doesn't have every single tub filled and I don't think he cares. So you know when he's got his room and he has the quarantine slash spillover room and it's not even filled up there either so then I think he's perfectly fine with it. Each one of his animals is gorgeous and interesting. He let me hold the carpondro that's like the blue gray green with a white belly which just looks freaky and that's the one that attempted to like just shit all over me. But you know I managed to hold him over Bill's plants so he fertilized the garden. Yeah that's great. But I mean overall again just an awesome time. There's there's more carpet fest coming up. You know you got we're the next one up well no actually we're not the next one up. It's Southwest car professors. We get beat by one day by Southwest car professors. Yeah and then it's us Northeast which I think you know it's going to be a blast. It's got some awesome people come and Jeff Beck is coming up from Texas. He's coming up to join us and hang out. We got to get him some cheeses and you know he was talking to me. He's like he's like I really want to come up. But you know if you don't mind sleeping on a cold-ass floor some random place in my house. You can crash someplace it's fine. You know he goes I'm used to sleeping on floors on my garage so whatever he can. I'm done with guest accommodations. If you guys fall down someplace I won't take you out till the next morning. So. Well it's Sunday morning I will have zero here and you'll you'll get shit moving. It was just fun to meet him because of course we've seen him online in various other places. And now he's coming up for Northeast because he wanted to really want to come. And I love it when people travel to different ones. I know Howard went out to Northwest once. I know you've gone to a few. I know you're trying to work out if you and I can go to another carpet fest. It just depends on timing and you know money. And I would really love to start seeing them go more and more. And it really doesn't take a lot to do a carpet fest in you all Australian people. And I would love to see more. The ultimate carpet fest. You've got you're killing me. I love that. I think they had like they had like some kind of barbecue thing and they're all standing there in our carpet fest t-shirts. I just call it a damn carpet fest so I can die happy. So you know I'm waiting for I want international carpet fest. I want more carpet fest in the United States. And I want them to get bigger and better every year. And I love the fact that the Southern carpet fest is really starting to kick off and become a yearly thing. Because I mean they're on two years. We're on five years. I think the Northwest would be on what three years? Because they started year after this or they closed before. So by then Southwest their second year as well. So yeah I want more. I want as many as we can get. And I promise I will send Eric to almost all of them. No problem. Can you imagine if you're going to go to like Southwest and then like come back for the Northeast. Like we fly you out you spend the day get on a plane land here and then do another carpet fest. If it was my job and I made money from this podcast. Yeah I'd do it. Yeah absolutely you know. But yeah I mean overall just an awesome time. I can't thank everybody down there enough. Especially Bill and his wife for opening up his home to us and letting us hang out. Yeah really good place to crash. And in my case really really crash. So everyone knows this. Let's go into it. So the first night we're drinking and Bill opens up the humidor with has all the cigars in it. Like I was standing about and Owen has an immense soft spot. Really nice cigar. I don't smoke regularly. I don't you know smoke cigarettes or smoke even pot on a regular. But they just cigar really nice to go every once in a while. Great. So we have the cigars Friday night and I enjoy the hell out of it. You know Lisa you know cigar taste in your mouth but nothing bad happened. So the problem is that I am fifty fifty shot when it comes to cigars. Either I really enjoy myself or it makes me horribly ill. I don't know why it just freaking does. So Saturday night Bill's handing out cigars again and of course I'm like all right well your father worked out. Head my bed. I finished that cigar and I thought I was going to either vomit and then pass out and Bill's driveway or the other way around. So I'm like I need to relax. I need to go sit down I need to lay down. And the only thing taking in my head was this is what he wants. Eric wants me weakened and laying down. This is when like he's going to shave my eyebrow off or something like that. So I end up going upstairs to the room that Bill's letting me use and just thinking all right I'll just sit down. I'll relax. I'll drink some water. I'll be good. Three hours later I wake up on the bed going what the hell just happened. And that's when I'm discovered and Bill comes in and also comes in. They're like are you still alive? I'm like I'm good. I'm fine. What time is it? It's like one in the morning something like that. So I did make a re-insurgence but that's a guard knocked me out dude. That was horrible. So no more cigars for Owen for a while. But it was kind of funny. But I like I missed everybody like left. I'm like I'm walking down there. I'm like we're already down to like the last couple people standing. I'm the only one still kind of sitting upright. So and Bill who's a doctor is like you just got to drink fruit. I'm like I can't keep drinking fruit. It's going to kill me. Yeah you got to push through the pain man. You got to push through the pain. Oh yeah. I'm sorry. You were inhaling the guard like it was a joint man. It's not a joint. It's a cigar. I know it's not a joint. I'm not a smoke. It's a cigar. Shut up. Oh man. So yeah overall again. I did successfully stay away from you. So it was good. I was I was concerned of what like just how you locked yourself in the car over concerned of what might happen. I see here's a different barricaded myself in a bedroom. Yeah. Here's the difference. I would not do anything. Just a threat of you thinking that I would do something is joy enough. I don't have to do anything. I said I was going to shave your head and the side of your face like the guy from the last man on earth. Yep. I think this is half a go T one eyebrow and half my head. Yep. Yeah it would have been awesome. But yeah I had a great time. It was a great great time. It was so much fun. Yeah. Yeah the. Let's see. What else do I have on my list here? Anything else about the weekend you wanted to hit on? No, I mean we're just kind of thinking about like I did take away a few things from bills from Southern Carpetfest to try to add to Northeast Carpetfest. And first one was a margarita machine because that worked out fantastic. And got everybody very drunk very quickly. So that was cool. And then of course it's like something we never even thought of is just yard games. Like you know Bill had that corn hole game and that's just like was perfect. People kept playing that all day and it's like well shit. My I live on a damn hill but my front yard flat as hell. So why not? So thinking about that. So it's really cool also if you've been to other Carpetfest to go see the other ones and see how they do it. See how it goes. They don't really do a potluck kind of thing. They just do name tags right now. Well what did your name tags say? Eric aka the Hobbit? Yeah the Hobbit. Right. I was Mark O'Shay for the day. So yeah name tags might be a good idea. We might do that. Ours will be as cool as yours with like you know the logos and such. It might get masking tape in a marker. But. Yeah I thought that was a that was a cool cool idea. This is what I'm going to put what I wanted to do to you in the chat. Okay you know that we if there it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep that's what had Owen so terrified that he like just barricaded himself in a room. So yep. That's enough. So. See see there you go right there. It wouldn't have been you that did it you'd be like this is what I really wanted to do. Oh and then Bill would have done it. Great there. There would have been other that would have done it for you. Yes. I wouldn't just heighten from you. So yeah. But anyway yeah again I can't thank Bill enough and everybody that helped out Evan Austin. You know it was a funny thing we went down there and I got bit by a ball python of all things. Yeah. They're supposed to be the inner snake you know. I told you I'm like you shove your finger in his mouth here. Like how did you do this? So. That's right. You got bit by a ball python I got shit on by a carpondro. You know. It's okay. That was a good time. So. So yeah I mean I don't know what else is going on now. So I was how's your clutch that hatched out? How's that doing? Oh the Jags are doing great. Everybody's blue. Like we're running right into the first sheds. I did sex them. I have three girls and a boy and they're all mine. They're all mine. All mine. Okay. Because unfortunately is that their father passed while they were in eggs. And the only boy out of the entire clutch looks like the spitting image of Echo. So it's like I'm done. Done. He's mine and I might not even let any of the girls go. So you guys can all look at pictures when I decide to post them until then. This clutch doesn't exist to the outside world. Mine. So. And you and I were talking a lot more about how I should really hold back more. And of course you're the king of that. So. That's true. Yeah. And I have another clutch that's fresh on the heels. Dude. Super carnivals. Their day 60 is the. Fourteenth. So. And they are. Beginning to like crinkle up and the boxes are starting to sweat. So I don't think they're even going to make it to day 60. I think we're going to be out way sooner. So. That could happen pretty soon, which would be awesome. Looking forward to super carmels. And super caramel jags. And then the white lip keeps throwing me for a freaking loop. Her and a few other animals in the room right now. My high contrast Queensland female. I'm pretty sure is gravid. My coastal female that are bred to a bailin tiger. I got a bread to the mail on loan for bailin. She's probably gravid. And then the gold phase white lip female. Just shed. And looks huge. So I'm not going to say the words. They don't want to jinx anything. But I'm very much interested in what's going on there. So hopefully. We get something. But it's funny because I did out the calendars. And it's like, I can expect the eggs. Like the eggs might be being laid at carbon. It's like, you know, we were cleaning the bins. We found that one ball python that was dropping eggs at Bill's house. Oh, yeah. That's pretty cool. Freaking happening here. That's awesome, by the way. That could be freaking happening here around the carbon fest. So hopefully. Fingers crossed. We got some good news coming. Oh, and the female Mac lots of python is hugging the water bowl real pipe. She's on loan from Eric Kohler. But I don't know what she's doing because it didn't ever see them locked up. So maybe. So it's kind of like you get, you come back from part of the fest feeling a little bit rejuvenated and kind of, you know, looking at the collection. And I've lost. One or two animals this year through, you know, various things. I think I have an impaction. A fungal infection. I had an all right. And it's just bad luck of what we do with the animals. And now, you know, you come back. You're feeling good and things are kind of starting to look up here. So hopefully we start getting some eggs on the ground and get some really cool stuff. So, and I talked of white lips so badly at carpet. You did. Everybody convinced that they want white lips. Yeah, you have. Everybody. Yeah, I forgot to mention the rhinos. That was the one thing that's kind of sealed the deal for me this week. They need no introduction. That I definitely want to get a pair of those guys. For sure. That was. And you know what? I need some more chondros, man. I do too. What was that? Oh, that if I could have, if we could have knocked Bill in the head and taken a chondro. Just one chondro. I mean, the one, the red one with the blue and the yellow, that little guy. Oh, he was gorgeous. I'm so afraid I'd break him though. Like, I mean, like I, I'd bring him home and be like, he's far too pretty. And I'd have to mail him back to Bill. Just because I wouldn't trust myself with him. But he was gorgeous. And I've said this a million times. If they just say, if they would just say freaking red, I would have 20 of them. I love red chondros. I do. I don't know why, but I love big red chondros. Like if that guy, if that baby boy or what I think about probably like a year or so old. If he could just stop changing color and just get bigger, I'd be done. Bill would have all my money. All of it. So. Yeah, red, red chondros. Oh, he had, he had hatchlings too. I mean, you forget how tiny chondro hatchlings are. I mean, Jesus Christ. It's a baby corn snake on a stick. They really, yeah. They, they really are tiny for sure. Funny thing before, before I'd say some stuff about what's going on with me, my season. Yeah. Last night, I, I headed over to, to Matt's house. Matt, Philly here. Matt Meditola. And I was picking up a jungle that he picked up for me that I got in a trade. And he, I stopped in and he was showing me some of his Borneo clutch. You know, I mean, I know he sent pictures to us. Oh, the crazy one. That's a couple of weeks. But dude. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. And you remember that crazy whacked out looking marble one that he had and everybody was going crazy over? Well, he kind of has something like that that he did, but it's not even marble in the clutch. I mean marble in the, in the, in the jeans, you know, so it's like these kind of popped out. And then he had these other ones. It's like the kind that I like, like that, that Burmese pattern type of look to it. Right. Oh, man, they were just wicked, man. Just wicked. What the hell was the almost all-patternless ones with like a pattern head and like a few dots on the body? Oh, man. Those are the few brussels, right? Are we like, Jesus Christ? Yeah. If I'm telling you, man, if you get a chance, go over to check out Philly Herb on his, um, his Facebook page. His Facebook page. And if you're not, if you, if you haven't given it a like, give it a like because he's posting up there pictures of these animals all the time. And dude, I'm telling you, they are freaking sick. It's crazy how nice they are. You were imagine what that one's going to look like as an adult, like a big ass display, like just a patternless thing with a couple dots. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're just going to have to wait. Yeah. Yeah. We just got to stay friends with Matt until the thing grows up. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, we were looking at, he had like, he had a bunch, bunch of clutches in the incubator. Um, yeah. And it was. Yeah. And the mistakes of the chondros, it's meant for eating everything. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, he had, uh, um, he had reached it. I know, uh, fornio and blood eggs in the incubator, but on top of the, you know, up on the top shelf, he had chondros. Yeah. And I couldn't believe the difference in size between the two, man. It was nuts. Um, you know, it's like a, a, a, it's like as big as my hand and then, well, you know, like it could fit in my hand, you know, and then like a chondro eggs is like the size of like, I look like a marble. It was crazy. Yeah. It's almost like me standing next to Dave Perlich. You know? There you go. Yeah. Which that was another funny thing, Dave Perlich is like, Eric's taller than I thought he'd be. And I'm like, yeah. Oh. I have the world convinced you're like two feet tall. I love it. Yeah. It's pretty funny. And then I'm like eight feet tall. So, but it's, it's what Matt could do. And I think it would be awesome. He has like a reedic egg. Then he could have like a bordio egg and then he could have like a freaking greasy pipe on that egg and like all mixed to each other and just like have huge mediums small. So, and it's just awesome that he's got all these babies and he's got all these crazy cool looking ones too. Even though reedics, even sometimes reedics are cool. And you know how I feel about reedics. Yeah. He was showing me some world firsts that he hatched out and, you know, pretty, pretty wild stuff, man. Pretty cool stuff that he's got going on. Definitely, definitely somebody that I look up to in the, in the hurt world for sure. But yeah, it was cool. I was like going over and checking out his stuff. Yeah. If we're talking about going over and checking out collections, I mean, I went over to your place and checked out your stuff. And got to see, got to see the babies, the tiger head albinos. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, yeah, with those, what was weird with this clutch in particular is the same, same pairing. But the striping wasn't as prominent as it was last the less. No, yes, sir. You had some good ones. You had some really good ones. Yeah. And I'm not going to knock them. Yeah, I'm not going to knock anybody until after sheds at all. Because, you know, I'm freaking know because they're all tiny and gray right now. But, you know, yeah, I think you're going to get a lot more strikes last time. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm sorry. I was getting so. You're reading. You're doing something. No, no, no. Instead of the show. No, no, no. That's okay. What I'm trying to do, and I just put it over in the chat, is on my website, what I have is. So what I'm doing this year is that for each clutch that I have, you can go to this page on my website, and it'll show you lineage. And then it'll show you the clutch hatching, and then it'll show you the entire clutch. And I'm going to do it for the first three sheds. Take some pics. Right. So you can check it out from that link that I sent over. I'll also put it up on my Facebook page, but they'll show you some of the things. So like a lot of them look like their mom, or they have striping at the front of the body. And, you know, they get a little banded at the end. I think I'd be surprised to see what the next clutch of Tiger head albinos are like. Some of them are going to be crazy with color for sure. Yeah. I had, I think I had a total of 13 hatched out. So four of the eggs didn't hatch out, which we were looking at. It was kind of like kind of weird. Well, I didn't do this, but sometimes it happens. Like, you know, I had the dolphin head to hatch out. My clutch, which was just baby with barely any front jaw, it happened. Sometimes long term or, you know, end of term death, you know, fully formed babies. Sometimes they just don't make it out. And guess what? Not everybody's supposed to make it. Yeah. So I got them all set up. They're all, I didn't sex them yet because I sex some of them, but then I don't know. They were, they were a little smaller than typically what I hatch out. They were at 20 grams. Some of them were at 21. Yeah. That's part they're 20, which typically they're bigger. Yeah. My guy was, my guy said the same deal. It was, I don't know. They were just smaller babies, but you're right. Normally I would monitor about the same size of yours. So I don't know. Maybe it was just timing of the clutches because they were both kind of around the same time. Like, you know, you know, laid and hatched the same time. So who knows? Yeah. So the, what's weird. So, okay. So before I left for Texas for Carpetfest, I had a girl, I think I talked about this a little bit on the show, maybe last week. Yeah, I might have, I don't know, but I noticed that my exana girl who I've tried to breed for what? She's a 2010, I've been trying to breed her for the past two years. And for whatever, like, you've been trying to breed her to your albino boy to make double head snows. And I think I've been trying for about three years. Yeah. Because it's a long term project. It's like, oh man. And it's like, I love it because, or I don't love it, it's like, well, kind of, oh, but you're having to do it every year and you send me this picture every year of the two of them, just like staring at you like, what? And it's like, and I can just feel the rage through the phone of, what are you two just doing? Like, do what you're supposed to do? Because the male, the albino males, like both your boys are proving breeders. It's like, yeah, what's up here? So actually there, yeah, they're both from Paul, they're, they're his breeders that he had. So yeah, both of them are proven. So it was weird that she didn't eat because she's always hungry. I mean, she's the same technique that when I put in a male with her, originally I put in the albino jag, I think this is last year, she tried to eat him. I had to take him to the bathtub, you know, to pull him apart and, you know, it was crazy. So, so she's never really refused food and we're way out of the season of what typically would be any season that I've ever had as far as crime, you know, because, so, so what was weird is that I noticed that, and I tried to feed her again a week later, and again, she refused food just last week, I said, man, that's really, really strange. So I decided to put the male, a male with her and sure enough, locked up. Well, when you came by to text, when we were leaving, you know, I asked you to feel her and she definitely is building follicles. So today I go in and she's wrapped around the water ball, which is, oh shit. Yeah. And yeah, it was, so it's looking promising that maybe that clutch will happen. At least, at least I see that now I'm getting some action out of her. So even if, for whatever reason, she doesn't go the distance, at least now I know that, you know-- You feel a little bit better. She's not broken, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, I put a picture of her. She was up in the, what did I have for her? Yeah, there she is. She was just chilling on the back of her cage. Yeah, water ball. That's right. Water. Water. That was the other weird thing. That was the restaurant. Yeah. That's the restaurant. Well, first I was on the plane, right? When we were on the plane, the guy comes by, and no, no, no, the restaurant happened first, because they didn't give you any water on the way down. Yeah. You got the way up. It sucks. Yeah. So, I'm at the restaurant, and the girl's got a lady. The girl's going around, and she's asking everybody what they want to drink. And I said, "I have some water." And she's like, "Huh?" She gives me the look, and I'm like, "What did you, like water?" Water. You were crazy. Yeah. She's like, "What?" Water. Yeah, I'm like, "Yeah, water." And yeah, it's a Philly thing. And then everybody looked at you and went, "You mean water?" And we're like, "No, we mean water." Yeah. So, like, we didn't know that there was ozone at. Clearly, there's a-- Wait a minute. Yeah. Water. Shut up. You know what we want? Just bring it to us. So, it was funny. I came home. I came home, and I told my wife that story, she's cracking up. So my wife is originally, she's from down south, so she says water. But she started working at Rita's, and Rita's is a water ice. Water ice. Yeah, Rita's water ice. So you can't say water ice. It doesn't sound right. You have to say water ice. You should tell your wife for one day just to say water ice at them and see how many people look at her crazy. Yeah. I would have-- like, I'll have the cherry water ice. I mean, the water ice, and just have-- how many people are, like, talking about lady? Like, I mean, that-- it would have been hilarious, so-- Yeah. So, yeah. For the longest time, she used to yell at me because I would say water, and she says, no, it's not water. It's water. And I'm-- You cannot beat that out of us. Yeah. It's not water. That's worship. I can't do it. It's water. [LAUGHTER] Oh. But-- I like it. One too. When you get mad, you're familiar, I think, comes out, like, full freaking bore. Oh, yeah. Like, the next-- the next time you're doing-- I expect when you're done yelling, you're going to run up the art museum steps, but it's like, Matt has it bad, too. I slip in and out, so, yeah, it's like-- it's-- you've got to understand where you're at. Philadelphia's water ice, and it's water, not water. So when we go places like down in Texas, we sound like morons, so it just kind of-- just go with it, but it was cracking up at you. Yeah. They-- they don't know. I'm going to show them what water ice is. [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] No! [INTERPOSING VOICES] That's water ice. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] It's quite refreshing. 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What's custard? Yeah. Soft serve ice cream. Cheat is crud. [LAUGHTER] [INTERPOSING VOICES] So coming up here, the Philadelphia experiences is we take you to get a cheesecake, and then we take you to get water rice, all right? And then we have to take you to Wawa. We don't let you have Wawa. And we take you to Wawa. And we take you to Wawa. And when you really talk pretzel. That's right. And then we'll look at that broken bell, and then you can run up the art museum step. So we'll call it a goddamn day. Get on the plate. Right. So, yeah. Absolutely. [LAUGHTER] So, yeah, I have a clutch. That's about to hatch out. It's the-- what do you call it? Yeah. Head albino to awful hot jag. So, hopefully some cool stuff comes out of that. I lost a couple of eggs along the way. Moved it up. But they're due on the 5th of May, so it should be any day now that they're going to be popping out. Nice. So, hopefully I hit those double head for snow carpets this year. I would love to do that because that's a long time coming. You know, a long-term project for sure. You know, what's that? Another three years, I'd have to grow them up. Mm-hmm. And then you're like one in-- what is it? One in 32 chance of hitting it and, you know, long-term. If you give them to me, I-- if you give them to me, it wouldn't take as long as it might with you. Uh, yeah, maybe. So-- and then I have another tiger head albino clutch that will be popping out and-- Oh! Then-- You're having two this year? Yeah, I got two. I did not know you had two. I will wait. I'll wait patiently before I pick my tigers. The reason I got two, the reason I got two, is because I figured people are going to want pears, and I wanted to give them somewhat unrelated pears. You're right. How about-- can I get a male and then get one of the older females from your holdbacks? No. [laughter] I know it's-- I know it's-- like, see, the problem is I overdid it. The car professor should have held back and then waited for you to overdo it and then ask you these questions. Yes. [laughter] Yeah, true. Yes, you sure did. Yeah. All right. What else is on my list of things to talk about? So, yeah, I mean, the season is going good, and I have-- I'm pretty excited about this. I had two-- Yeah. --point two captive hatched, basically wild caught. I.J.'s. Yeah. That are finally all eaten. There was one that was a holdout. I approached it this way. This is what I did. I offered them food. I left them alone for a week. I didn't bother them at all. And then I came back and they didn't eat-- the one guy didn't eat again. But tonight, they all took frozen salt. So, basically, what I-- I heated up the-- so I took the hopper and I kind of stuck it in between the rails of the heater, you know, like the heater and-- Oh, yeah. --the space heater. Yeah, the space heater. OK. I kind of put it there. I left it there for, like, maybe half a minute or something like that. Maybe 20 seconds. If that heated them up so they got a night-- boom. As soon as I put them in, wrapped. Pretty awesome. So I was pretty psyched about that to get them going. I did-- I'm going to post it over in the chat. I told you this was going to be the year of the jungle. So I did some trades. And this girl, I got, which I'm pretty excited about. She had barbecue sauce. What the hell? I have no idea what's happening to continue. There's her lineage. She's a headhunter jungle, which is pretty awesome. She comes from the rigid and Sahara clutch, which goes back to the slash and victor clutch. So I'm pretty excited about that. And then another one that-- let's see. Was the one from Andrew Parris, which, again, another one. The black on this one is insane. So. I like that one. Yeah. And, yeah, let me tell you, Andrew's a top-notch guy, man. And wait until you see his lineage charts. They're sick. Oh, my God. Where is he at? Here he is. Let me send it from over here. Here we go. Share. NPR Chat. Top-notch. Yeah. They're high-end. Sure. Yeah, high-end low-maintenance. And then this is the female. But awesome guy, man. So definitely, if you're in the mood for some-- or in the market for some cool jungles, definitely Andrew's a way to go. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking on the phone, too. So when we had Dave, Dave, on a couple weeks ago, one of the things that he had mentioned about van de Vetter jungles, and me and him were talking about it today because I have a van de Vetter female that I got from Zach. Yeah. That is going to go with that Paris animal. And the black on van de Vetter jungle. So basically, I know three people, I think at this point, that are basically working with van de Vetter that I know of is Nick. Am I one of those? Eric Kohler. Well, now you are because you have Zach's jungles. Yes, sir. Right. I have a female van vetter from '09, and I have-- well, I have Zach's-- the two I got from Zach from the clutch that you're getting. Right. As far as purity goes, I don't think you can get any purer than van de Vetter. And they're super clean animals. Now, they're not the brightest as far as the yellow goes. But definitely a secret weapon in adding into jungle pairings, for sure, to clean it up if you don't like that tipping. So me and Andrew were talking about all the different ways you can go with jungles. There's so many projects that you could do. I mean, there's stripes, there's banded, there's 70, 30 super nice bands. But my ultimate goal is that I want to create a jungle that's all black with yellow pinstripes. And I keep referring to a pinstripe ball python because it's the only thing that I know that people can look at and understand what I'm saying. So if you have a pinstripe ball python, imagine that pattern. But the pinstripe is yellow, and the rest of the animal is black. So it probably will take me until I die. [LAUGHTER] But I'm going to give it-- [INTERPOSING VOICES] If you fall down, yeah. Yeah, I have a female that I think is-- so just so you know too, this is the one that's from Zach's animal. Now, bandedveter tends a tendency to throw stripes as well. And this is the pairing from-- that's Zach's lineage chart. So those animals you have-- I should copy this. [LAUGHTER] So you're telling me that I should steal this? OK. The funny thing is that I am also getting one of their-- these were-- Zach and I did a thing earlier this year where I traded him a coastal, and he gave me what was left to invent a better jungle clutch as well as, you know, I paid him for certain things. And then he was deciding to kind of thin out his collection a little bit and offered the adult jungles. I said, yeah, why not? I mean, I don't think he had that much of a jungle project going. I have two jungles. So I picked these up from him, but he's also including one of their striped offspring in as well. So all of a sudden, I have a striped project. [LAUGHTER] Sweet. Yeah. So I will-- I have to-- I'll probably-- I think I'm going to try to pick those guys up before carpet fest. I just figure it out by me and me and you. And by figure it out, I mean, whenever you tell me you're going down there, I'll like to-- yeah. [LAUGHTER] Sure, no problem. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, you do it. [LAUGHTER] You're closer, but, you know, there's that. So, yeah, they're cool animals. They're really nice, and I do, like, clean, crisp, black. Um, there was that one-- there was a carpondra, wasn't it, at bills? That-- not the big one. My favorite one? The little ones. Not the big one, the little one. The one that looked like a goddamn gamma jag. Like-- Ooh, I didn't get a picture of that one. The drawer. So you can get the picture of the little guy, Bill. If you can hear the sound of my voice right now, get the little-- the little conjuro, the little black and yellow one that sat on the stick the entire time. We need a picture of that one. Oh, I know the one-- I know the one you were talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't get a picture of it, though. I failed. Clearly. What else? So what else did I have? I didn't have some other things to hit on. Nothing too crazy. So-- But-- Yeah, I'm very-- it's been a very strange season for sure. I'm sure everybody's kind of in the same boat. Yeah. I'm curious to see how fast the females rebound cooler for next year. Yeah. To be honest, to be honest, I'm kind of glad the season's over. Thank you. There it is, that one, right there in the NPR chat. That is gorgeous. Like, we're talking like clean crisp blacks and some good yellows. I think it's nuts. And that's just a carpondro. And it has no jagged blood in it, correct, Bill? No, at least I don't think it does. No, nothing. Same. The hell is that? Now Evan's posting up stuff. I think that's his. Oh, thank you. Jesus Christ. No, Jack. See, that's just weird. Carpondros are weird. So weird. Anyway, I'm-- You're turning to the dark side. I am not turning to any dark side. Not at all. You might be able to get me to move within golems or something like that. Anyway, but I'm kind of glad the season's over, to be honest with you, because of-- It's been a weird season. It's been a stressful season and it's just odd. So especially for me on my end. And it'd be good to just relax. And I know you and I spoke a lot about what shows I might be doing in the future, whether or not I want to keep doing the local shows or just want to calm down and focus on my own group and my own collection. It's one of those things where you kind of got to make this decision on your own. But like I said, season's over or close to. And now it's just all about raising babies and relaxing and kicking back. Yeah, man. I mean, we're not in a race. No. It doesn't matter if I don't have all the morphs or all the animals that I want. I'm going to be doing this until I'm dead. So I got time. Yeah. Yeah, I think the thing with this hobby is, man, you just got to do what you want to do and you can't worry about what other people think. I think sometimes I think all of us in some way or another guilty of trying to feeling that we have to have something in order to be somebody. For instance, for some reason, if you're not a real breeder, if you just breed ball pythons and you don't breed ballons pythons, you know what I mean? It's like, you're not legit, you know? But if you're super excited about breeding ball pythons, then screw what everybody else thinks, man. Well, no. And Bill has all those babies and he's raising them up. And you can be super excited about whatever the hell you want. And what he just said on the thread is it's a hobby, not a contest. And I think a lot of times we let that run away with ourselves. And that's how you start seeing people. One of the big things, do you remember when we had Steve Tillis on? Yeah. And he was talking about how he had set up his own kind of podcast thing. And the main thing he talked about was it's okay to not have a room that completely matches. It's okay not to have a business name, it's okay not to go and get a credit card and max it out on animals and things like that. You can still be involved with the reptile community and the hobby and not little broke. I think a lot of people fall into the keeping up with the Joneses when it comes with reptiles. And that's how you see a lot of keepers get into a lot of trouble when it comes to overspending, maxing out credit cards. And that's how you see a lot of people flame out is they come in, they drop a shit ton of money on a shit ton of animals. They don't have the success they thought they were going to get. They start feeling the pressure of having that much money hanging over their head and they get out. Yeah. So I love the awareness stuff. I listened to other podcasts and there's one in particular. I just disagree with their thought process and it's the bullshit one, right? No comment. So here's where I disagree. So I've listened to all their shows actually. It's like you have to be have a business and you have to have a business card and you have to have, you know, if you're going to go do a show, you have to have lights and you have to have all this stuff because you want to look professional. And it's like this message that gets sent out that somehow if you don't add this stuff, that you're not legitimate. Or you don't have, like, you don't know what you're doing or somehow that, you know, you're an unprofessional. And that's bullshit, man. I mean, you could just bring corn snakes and you could be the smartest, freakin reptile keeper there is just because that's what you do. Doesn't mean that's all that. No, you know, you could know a lot about a lot of things. You do. And I'll admit I agree with him. If you're going to run a table at a show, you need to look professional. Whether that means. Yeah, you do. But that doesn't mean that you have to look like. No, you don't look like everybody else and you don't have to have business cards. You don't have to have lights of, like, insane variety. You don't have to have the display cases. You just have to make sure the animals are represented correctly and healthy. There are cheap displays out there you can do and you can make yourself look professional. Just by standing there in a clean t-shirt and pants without holes in them. I mean, congratulations, you did it. Well, you're right. To a certain extent, you have to look professional. Yeah. So because you want people to buy snakes from you, I get it. I understand that. But what I'm saying is you don't have to go out and spend 10 grand. No, you really don't. You don't. You don't have to do shows to be legit. No. You're finding out more and more that if you just have an online presence or even if you don't have an online presence, just as long as you're a good keeper, represent your animals and have healthy animals, you can be a legit reptile person. You don't have to buy into all this horseshit. I made that mistake when my first got into it. I maxed out a credit card on cages. Yeah. And now you're finding out a fund and out that, you know, bins may have been the way to go. And they're cheaper. So it's like there are 10 million ways to skin the cat. You don't have more perfect, nice and cages. You don't have to have the best acrylic displays. So it's just, you don't have to go crazy. You can make your own racks. Like so, for instance, you don't have to have animal plastic cages in order to be. It seems like unless you have animal plastic and you're keeping carpets, then you're not legit. No, that's bullshit, man. You can make your own racks. You can make your own cages, you know, and then you graduate because you sell some snakes because you're successful, keeping them in breed them. And you're really new to your kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, and also you don't have to go out and spend money on the craziest, newest morph and animal phase. You know, you can make money on pretty much any reptile you want if you're passionate about it and you're good at what you do. I mean, you can feel a rack with a bunch of collubers and probably still turn a profit if you think about it. And then you can slowly buy into the projects you really want to get into it. No, you don't have to go out and buy a pair immediately. You buy the female first, then in a year you buy the boy. Right. So it's like you don't have to kill yourselves. And that's where I think a lot of people go and they just burn out. For the longest time when everybody was ball python hating, you know, myself personally, you know, it's like, oh, I can't have them. Or people will think I'm this or people will think on that. And it's like, you know, I thought about it and I'm like, no, fuck that. You know what I mean? I'm going to have them because that's what I want. Well, I have to check in with people. You know what I mean? I have to make sure that this is okay to have carpet pythons and ball pythons. Like now all of a sudden I'm in it for the money because I got ball pythons. That's bullshit, man. That's just bullshit. You know, I just keep them because I like specific ones and that's it. You know what I mean? There's no other reason. You're like your specific ones. You're not trying to get the latest morph and then watching it free fall. You're just trying to do what you want to do. And here's the thing. I don't think you give a rat's ass what you sell your baby ball pythons for when they eventually happen. I don't think you're going to care. No, if you sell any, so it's like, you know, I really don't think you could just be. I think you said something like with the, you and I were talking this weekend. I'm like, God, everything's going to be free fall. Everything's going to be three hundred dollars. And you're like, God, I can't wait. Then I can stop worrying about all this stupid bullshit. And I have to agree with you. If it's three hundred dollars, I'm still going to be doing it. I just now don't have to give a shit. Everything's three hundred dollars. Yeah, all of a sudden when shit doesn't cost anything, now people don't care. Like, we were talking about this on our way down about the Jag. You know, like when we got into it, the Jag was like this, you know, was like this amazing animal. Everybody wanted it. And then if you had a tiger Jag, well, what the hell? Oh, my God. This is like, holy shit, you're like legit now. You know, it's like. Right when, right when Jag was dipping down to below a grand Tiger Jag was more available. And that pumped you back up to thirteen, fourteen hundred dollars. So it was like a grand for a Jag, fourteen for a Tiger Jag. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Yeah. Right? So what's happening is people no longer care. Well, I shouldn't say it's not everybody, but I think in like the general public, it's just like what I see with carpets, unfortunately, is it seems to be going the same way as ball thons and is that, you know, nobody gives the shit about the Jag anymore. Now it's about, you know, can I get an albino, Exanic, Carmel, Zebra Jag? You know, like, let me stuff as many fucking things into one animal as I possibly can. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that because I do that myself. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I get, I don't care if I sell them for three hundred bucks. It doesn't matter to me. I really don't give a shit. You know what I mean? It's not about the money for me. And I realize that some people do do this for a living and it is about, you know, they have to, they've invested in something and they have to see a return. But I think people think that a snake breeds one year and then it's done. They breed over and over and over and over again. If you're a good keeper, you know, or a good breeder. But the thing with the Jag, let me finish this one thought. The thing with the Jag is that the animal hasn't changed. The animals feel the same. But now somehow in our, in the world of, of carpet pythons, like who cares about it? You know, it's like, it's, it's similar to like the pastel and ball pythons. It was like, you know, you can't even give them things away now. And before, like, you know, like at the beginning of the craze, it was like, holy shit. You know, and the crazy thing is that there's some ugly pastels and there are some ugly jags, but there's some freaking beautiful jags still out there, man. You know, I don't know. Well, it's, well, the funny thing is, you know, like going on the pastel thing, I had a friend who had like a rack in college filled with nothing to pastels because he's like, these things are going to be hot. And it's like, whatever. The thing about the jag and in relation to the tiger jag is what I find hilarious is everybody goes, the jag morph has been kept alive by combining it with other things. You know, you want an exanic jag. You want an albino jag. You want a caramel, super caramel jag, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if you see tiger jag, it's kind of fell by the wayside. It's like a really, what would have been considered a really nice looking tiger jag is now just considered a jag. It's like, you don't ever see anybody kind of just advertise tiger jag anymore. Like I've seen animals with bald back stripes that you would automatically assume that one point tiger jag. But now they're just labeled as jags. And it's never, like at one point it was jag moves into this. That's cool. So then it followed after that quickly was tiger and then of course tiger jag. So let me give you this scenario of like we're just going to use caramel. First thing to come out would be caramel jags. Then after a few years you'd see caramel tigers. Well eventually the next thing that would have happened is somebody would have gotten a caramel jag and a caramel tiger together to make super caramel tiger jags. But now what they do is they kind of do like around the barn and they just take a caramel jag and breed it to a tiger and anything that looks really cool they call a tiger jag and leave it big. But most of the time they don't even label it that. They just say call everything they came out of jag and then you go. Like this very little I think gun specifically with tiger jag. When I remember this thing used to be like untouchable and amazing and something everybody really wanted to get into especially like the super tiger jags. When you bred a tiger jag to a tiger and made it really reduced. Yeah. Weird. I guess it's just perspective and I'm just trying to offer my perspective of like you know I'm afraid I love carpet pythons. I love carpet python morphs. I love regular carpet pythons. I'm always going to work with them. They're always going to be my number one. And like I said I don't care. To me it's not about money. It's because I like this species of snake. That's all it comes down to. You know rough scales is another one for me. So as far as like the craze was is that if you're into Morelia then you have to have rough scales python in order to be legit. No. I'm going to wait man. I love the snake. You know what I mean? But I don't want to be on that bandwagon that you know I have to go and get this. You know you I can honestly say Owen that you were there are many people out there that love them that I know but the guy that I deal with on a day-to-day basis. You honestly love rough scales and I think you would love them if they were 20 bucks. Yeah. I'd have. I wish they were 20 bucks at 12 by now. Yeah. That's why people in Australia like that's why people think I hate the Australian guys because they're like oh it's 300 dollars you know it's crashed. I'm like no because I wouldn't only have to spend 300 dollars to get a rough scale. Like can I just can we just get to that point so that I'll be happy. Like those rough scales hit 100 bucks. Oh my god I'm going to have like six. Give it all the chondros they're just taking up space. Oh. One chondros. Let's see. Again. There you go. I mean you don't like chondros or whatever you tried it. I do like chondros they don't like me. Right. It is what it is you know and then you go from there. There's plenty of things like that you try and then you don't like and you just move on. Then you come to the next thing and see what it is. But I particularly see again here you go. Here's the thing when it comes to chondros. I like the little ality to me. Yeah. The thing about a chondro is that it's green. You know what I mean? It's like everybody's trying to get away from the green and they make fabulous animals man. I mean I was looking around today. Of course when you go down to somebody like Bill's house and you see all his chondros then you come back and you're like oh yeah man let me check things out. I'm looking at some of the different sites that have some designer stuff. Dude there's some next stuff out there. There you are. I still just like to me for me personally I don't feel that in order for me to feel like I'm a legit chondro person that if I just breed Maroos and a Rooks. Oh shit. You finally fell. Yeah. No I said Maroos. I said Maroos. Maroos. What the hell is that? I meant to say a Ruse and Maroos. Have you been playing the drinking game while we've been talking? Yeah maybe. Maybe. My head is going faster than I'm speaking so it's like. Yeah. That happens. Yeah. So anyway I mean like I said you know you can like do what you want to do and that's the most important you know. Look I said if I were going to do chondros like I have one chondro I have my female from buddy and I was thinking about getting some more and I'm pretty sure I just wanted to treat the ox. Just straight up the ox and I'm being told that they're large headed horrific evil creatures and I'm like sign me up and look a white lip on a tree so you know but it will do that. But I probably won't do it anytime soon because I have my one little girl. She's getting bigger and you know I'm alright. Chondros are really on the high on my hit list right now. Okay. And to be honest just not really a lot on my hit list right now we're kind of starting to tone down a bit. I mean we kind of got to replenish some stuff first. Yeah. Get that lovely snake money. So talk to me afterwards. So I don't know just that's just some thoughts. I did want to talk a little bit about we took a trip up to up to nerd a few weeks ago. Maybe it's a month ago. I don't know what are your thoughts. It was fun. It was a good trip. I wish it was closer. It was a long car ride. But kind of see what an operation of that scale is like. And kind of check out the animals. I wish I was more into retics because like Matt was like a kid in a candy store going through those rooms and I'm just you know and I will admit they are gorgeous animals. Those cow retics definitely had me rethinking of if I wanted to keep retics. But they were just gorgeous animals. I got to play with some Caymans which I will admit I kind of want Caymans. But I'll never do it. It was just very cool. You know watching or seeing how much of a massive undertaking a facility like that must be to get running on a day to day basis is crazy. And I mean they all make it look like it's very easy to go room to room and probably care for close to almost a hundred animals per room as well as like that one guy we talked to did the venomous room having to deal with those animals on a daily basis. And there were some dangerous ones in there. It was it was very cool. It was very nice of them to kind of take us around and check everything out. But it was just I could never imagine having a facility that big. I think I would just go crazy because it would like to manage everything kind of a deal like you know to be a guy who puts your collection and somebody else's hands and a bunch of people's hands for that much. But it was cool. The pet stores on the bottom when you walk in it's chock full of stuff you normally see in a pet store and then some work. It's very open. You kind of walk into the monitor room and you pretty much walk right over to where the lizards are and then the snake rooms it was the drawers are right there. You could open the drawers and maybe you can open up a cage if you wanted. So they're very kind of trusting. I mean there were a lot of cameras but you never know if someone is going to get bit going to go check out something or not. Then there was that random ass turkey that followed us into the building. That was real interesting. But it was still you know we walked upstairs to where they have all the animals in the facility rooms. Of course they had the rodent breeding. They had the venomous room. They had the adult re-tick rooms. Now those animals were huge. I mean I've seen big re-ticks. I've worked with big re-ticks but not that many big re-ticks in one place. As well as they had a semanticondas and scrubs. I mean that one that they pulled out. What did they say she weighed? Only that one half of her was 250. Yeah she was probably maybe aha man. I guess she was upwards of three, four, hundred pounds. She was a big girl. They were a big girl. They were taking her down the hall for like a party or something like that. They needed to pull her out and she just flopped down. She was a big animal. They had a lot of different kind of really cool moors like the cows. The cows. You were eating up that one big albino burn that was laying eggs while we were there. So if you don't know how much you like burns. Yeah, yeah, burns are always a soft spot for me. I just dig those snakes again. I don't know. Maybe at some point down the line I'd have another one but for now they're just. That's too much man. That's too much for what I, I don't just have, I just don't have the room for something like that. Beautiful animals for sure. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, nerd was cool. I think probably what I took most from that nerd was the glue bridge stuff. Yeah. I'm not really a huge monitor guy. I mean, I can appreciate it but it's not something that particularly I'm drawn to. So I can look at them and think they're cool and all that. Awesome but it's not the same for me as if I was in a room full of snakes. Right. Definitely beautiful stuff for sure. Crocodile. The shit out of me. Look at him, isn't he friendly? I'm like, you mean the velociraptor? They had the albino water monitor. He looked kind of cool and they had the albino savannah monitor. They looked kind of cool and the way they set them up is like they had like their own big dirt cages and then like three or four girls. I think it's Savannah. He had like ten because they were really trying to get him to breed with something. Right. So, yeah. Yeah. It was something to, again, it's those kind of things that rejuvenate you man and get you back into it and get you fired up and excited when you see other people doing stuff and see what they got. I think, you know, it's like you kind of like look at your collection and you're seeing it on a daily basis so you don't, maybe you don't appreciate what you have, I guess, to a certain extent. And then you go and like, you know, I'm looking at when we were down at bills or when they were up at nerd and it's like, you know, holy shit man, I have some really nice animals. I should appreciate what I got, you know, it's like you're always trying to get something else. But like, I think that ties into what we were talking about earlier. It's like, you know, you're always trying to chase the dragon. It's like you're chasing this thing and it's like, you know, it's like a cycle that doesn't stop and you're like, oh, I got to have this, I got to have that, I got to have that. And if I don't have that, you know, people aren't going to think that I'm for real. Well, you know, and you're exactly correct, but it's almost like some of the funniest times or some of the best projects I hear about. But sometimes projects that happen by pure freakin accident. Jason Bailin, his first group of Womas were like a friend, really wanted to get rid of them. And they just take these and Bailin's like, all right, I've never really done anything with Womas. They were in his place, they bred and had eggs and he's like, well, shit, all right. And he kept them. And he's been churning out Womas every year since. And that's probably one of the most successful projects and he's having a great time with them. And he enjoys those animals. And they were not anywhere near his list of things to get. He wasn't hunting Womas. He wasn't trying to find them. They just kind of freaking happened. Yeah, they're almost like, yeah, they are, they're awesome. But it seems like a lot of times people will force it. Or, man, I got to get this and then they'll buy it and then it'll sit in the tubs. You know, they'll be like, man, I got to get the next thing. It's like appreciate what you got because, or sit back and relax because something, a project might turn up or fall into your lap that fits you perfectly or is just going to be one you enjoy thoroughly. Yeah. And don't be too quick to sell out animals that you really, really wanted and we're trying real hard to get. Because those are the animals that you are going to have sellers for more about and try to get back. Oh, heck yeah. So. So, yeah, that was a cool time. And, you know, hopefully, the same thing happens during the Northeast car professed. People get, you know, I'm sure it will be an awesome time. And people get excited again. And, you know, people will be coming up. I mean, we got Nick mutton coming in. Yeah. Matt and Lon will be there as far as Shortels go. And, you know, Travis Wyman will be there as a genetics guy. And, you know, it's all different people be coming up and hanging out. So, you know, I look forward to that too, man. I do. Awesome. Can't wait. And, hopefully, I'll be able to talk about the clutches that I got popping out. One thing I did want to mention real quick was, you know, when we were down in Texas, I was talking to Terry about -- we were talking about reptiscan, because one of the things he was talking about was, you know, keeping records. And I was telling him that, honestly, the first time I used reptiscan, I hated it. I used it. And I kind of was like, it wasn't -- it was glitchy in the phone. And, I don't know, it just was more work. It was just to write it down. One pain in the ass thing about reptiscan is getting all the information in. But once all that information is in it, man, it's a pretty sweet system. It did, yeah. So, what you can do -- there's two different versions. First is a version where you buy the app. I think the app is like 20 bucks. You buy this app and you get, like, this basic program. And then you can subscribe and they got multiple ways we can -- you can pay for it monthly. I think there's every three months. Then you can do it every six months. I think there's once a year. And I think there's, like, you pay this one-time fee and you never have to pay again. But I went and I put all the babies in. And I put all the babies in the system. I got them all lined up today with pictures and all that stuff. The cool -- so, a couple things I'll speak on as far as how it's cool. So, I have the clutch and the clutch hatched out. And each clutch I get gets a QR reader as well. So, you go and you scan it and just can add the whole clutch. So, basically, I put in -- you put in a preset, like, code number that you want to use. You can put it in whatever you want. I put EBM, the year, and then the clutch number. Then it automatically will put, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, whatever, how many babies you have. The cool thing is that, you know, I know some people weigh their babies. Some people don't. I do. But the cool thing is that you can put it in and you can track -- what it does is I put them up in the chat. You can kind of see it's like -- so, this was a baby that I put in. So, you'll see that, you know, it's kind of even there. But as you can see, it correlates with the food and how much it grew. During that time. So, again, I don't know. It's just something different that, you know, I can offer a customer of mine. Like, I look at myself as more of a boutique breeder. You know, when you come into me, you're going to get a special treatment that, you know, maybe somebody that's given you, you know, is doing a whole bunch of clutches and hundreds and hundreds of animals maybe ain't going to be able to do. So, the program makes it super easy, man. You know, you just scan it. It's just -- you just scan it. You scan it with your phone and information's all there. So, when I go to sell that baby, that card, you know, I can print it out. And they get all that information. I can also transfer it over. So, I think they worked out the glitches. I use it on iPhone. I used to use it on Android, but when we were down in Texas, I think Jason was saying that he uses it on an Android and it works for him really, really good too. So, I don't know. If you're looking for something, you know, to keep records and stuff of your collection, definitely is worth checking out for sure. It makes it -- yeah, super easy. Everything's there. I don't know what else I can say about it. But I just figured I'd mention that because I know that Terry was asking about it. So, I guess we have a caller. It would appear so. Kevin, what's going on? Kevin's there. Not much, not much. First, I just wanted to say, you know, thank you all for coming out. It was a great time. It was really nice. I mean, you owe it. Hope you guys make it out next year for sure. And just kind of touching on what Eric was saying about recharging the batteries and stuff. And the passion, you know, I think I told you guys I had lost a couple snakes and just got, like, you know, a fire cell. Get everything out of here. I'm done. I don't want to do this no more. And actually reached out and talked to Bill and, you know, it happens. You know, Bill kind of calmed me down and talked some sense into me. I was just like, just calmed down because I was literally like selling everything. I wanted out of here. And, you know, it just, it's part of it. You know, if they die, they, you know, whatever happens, it just happens. You just got to roll with it. And something like this weekend, getting around so many people with so much passion pouring out of them, it just, it just completely makes you, you know, glad you're in this. And you don't want to give up and just keep going, keep going. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. You're definitely right. You know, it's, it's, and, you know, you get asked, I got to ask questions a few times. Like, when people hear about certain animals that they know are important to be passed, they're like, well, how bad did that hurt? Well, everyone hurts. Like, every single one leaving, you know, you never want to see one of your animals die. You never want to see that. But you also got to have that moment of, you know, every time one of them passes, you got to sit down and be like, is this, am I going to get out? No. Well, then I got to, you know, get my shit together and keep moving forward because I got everybody else to worry about. So it's, it's one of those things where you just kind of got to focus and, you know, things can be frustrating, things can be shitty. But as long as you keep kind of focused on maintaining the care for your animals, you can just get through it and then find your pick-me-ups where they come and then you're right back in it. And I think with me, you know, it's not so much like the whole project is just like, oh, I had this set up for this and now it's more, you know, my animals. It's like, I care about these, I name them, you know, Haddison is a hatchling kind of thing. And then it's like, you know, not necessarily like losing family members, but it's like losing family members. It's just, you know, it's heartbreaking, but you just got to keep going on and, you know, it gets better, it gets easier. And then you look forward to things like carpets and all these people that come in and great. Yeah, I think, I think, I think one of the things that I know I've talked to Owen about this and we try to share with you guys as much as possible our failures as well as our successes, because I think unfortunately that there's this, like, this thing that you shouldn't talk about, things that are messed up. So I think new people coming into it, or maybe people that haven't been doing it a long time, don't realize that, you know, this kind of stuff is going to happen. And they think that, like, automatically they think that somehow they failed. But really, you know, I mean, obviously sometimes people do make mistakes and whatnot, you know. But I think, I think it's important that people understand that, you know, that's just a part of how this goes, you know. As long as you're taking care of your animals the best that you can, sometimes stuff is going to happen that's out of our control, you know what I mean. When you're dealing with more than, you know, when you're dealing with a collective of animals, they're going to get sick. You know, I think Nick said one time it's like, you know, if you had, like, a room full of 50 people, you know, the idea that at some point during the year that one of those 50 people aren't going to get sick is just absurd. So, you know what I mean? It's the same idea. And it's good to see that. I was just going to say it's good to see that some of these, you know, the big name breeders and just the hobbyist. And I mean, everybody goes through this and, you know, nobody's immune to it. Nobody has that perfect clutch every year where they don't get, you know, dead in eggs or they don't lose animals or they don't get mites or, you know, they all go through this. And I think it's important to the whole hobby and the community to see that we all go through this, you know, not covered up and hide it and pretend like, you know, it doesn't happen to you because it happens to everybody. You know, especially dealing with, like, issues with mites, you know, it's like fleas on a dog. It happens. I mean, I can't. Who hasn't had mites once, twice in a collection, you know, about being up front and telling people, look, this is what happened or, you know, before I sold this, I had a breakout, but I took care of it. A lot of people don't even want to tell you that kind of information because they're scared they won't make that sale. Whereas I'm just worried about the health and the animal. I don't want to send you out a snake. And then here you are bad now to me and going to, like, a group, like the reptile, you know what I'm saying, the good guy, bad guy group. I gave you a snake with mites. So just up front and the best way to be. It's one of those things where everybody kind of already knows this shit happens, but nobody talks about it. And by talking about it, we're not really helping each other learn. So it's one of those things where I try to be as upfront as possible. And even I'm embarrassed by some of the shit that goes on in my snake room because they're stupid animals. You know, either you make the conscious decision to get out of it or you keep going and keep doing what you're doing. But there's the living preachers. It's going to happen. It's when it does happen. It's how you deal with it. It's like it's the same way of like a lot of people have with shipping animals. If you ship at an animal and it dies, you've got to know exactly how you're going to deal with that dead animal or just arrive at a customer's house. And if it never happens, congratulations. You've done better than me. So that's just how it goes. It happens. It's how you deal with it. You don't hide from it. You'd be upfront with it. If something does happen, you notify your customer, the owner of that animal, and then you work through it together. And yeah, you may have to bite the bullet, make a really awkward kind of conversation, and get to the bottom of it. You may have to be partying with more animals. You may have to be partying with some money. You may have to look like a jackass for a week. Or feel like a jackass for a week. But you get over and you get through it. Nobody ever really holds it against you unless you are a huge douche. And then you move forward. So, yeah. It's just good to have somebody to talk to you, man. I mean, everybody needs somebody to corral them in because I swear, if I didn't have Bill to talk to you that day, I wouldn't have anything here. And I probably wouldn't even have a car professional. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You have to have somebody to reach out to. And I mean, it's great. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I met this weekend that I've never, never talked to, never dealt with. And it's like, you sit down and talk to some of these guys. It's like, like you guys have been friends forever. And it's just a great feeling. Yeah. Everybody needs a hobbit. So, you know, it's really helpful to have those things. Yeah. But I didn't get the, but I left that Condro was Bill to take care of it. So, I think he left the hobbit with me. So, you know, one of the things that kind of burns, see, I'm kind of the opposite. I get burned out on the people in the hobby. I get burned out on the bullshit. I get burned out on the backstabbing stuff. You know what I mean? And it kind of like paints this picture when I'm looking at Facebook all day and also see his negative, negative, negative. This guy's an asshole. That person, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, on and on and on. Something like this kind of event. It renews my faith that there are good people in the hobby. You know, it makes me realize that I'm only looking at my Facebook feed and, you know, this is what's happening and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it also makes me step, take a step back and say, you know, none of that shit matters, man. Who cares? Who cares? You know what I mean? Like, who gives a shit about somebody else's bullshit and drama? You know? I got a number of shit drama in my life. I don't need somebody else's to come in. You know what I mean? They'll be worrying about. And, you know, unfortunately, with doing the podcast, it's like, you want to keep, for me, it's like you want to try to keep your finger on the pulse of what's going on. But at the same time, it's like, man, I just, you get burned out on it. You get burned out on the bullshit. And it's just good to be around people and they're excited about snakes, you know, or reptiles or whatever it is. They're excited about, but they're just excited about it and they feel good about what they're working with. And, you know, then they're excited about what you're working with, which even makes it even better, you know what I mean? Right. I agree with Eric, you know, 100%. But I also think that bullshit is a necessary evil because, you know, like me and Eric had some conversations about some people in the hobby, you know, not mentioning any names or anything, but I learned a lot about some folks that I didn't know anything about and it kind of changed my perception of the way I viewed them, you know, like, well, shit, do I want to buy anything from them and the things they're doing? That's, you know, it's good to know who to go to and who to stay away from minus, you know, all the drama and talking about people and everything like that. But just the fact of it, okay, I don't want to deal with this guy because this guy's doing this, that or that. So, I mean, it's a necessary evil at the same time. Yeah, it is. But the difference is that, like, obviously, in a lot of saying that, like, you don't ever want to think that you're going to be punished for your mistake. You know, if something, and a lot of times, if I'm informing you about interactions I had with somebody, and something bad happened, it would usually end with, yeah, but then he or she did this and this happened or, you know what, that kind of shit happens and, you know, but we're cool, we're good, we talked it out, we traded this, we traded that, we figured it out or, oh man, they came right away. So, it's like, if you end the conversation on a bat, you never want to end, to have somebody end a conversation about you on a bad note. And that's all within your power as a breeder, as a keeper. So, that's just something to think about. So, yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, it was a good time, man, good job, good, you know, making sure that it happened and, I don't know, I'm a little cacer back here. Yeah, the case that was awesome, like, two in the morning when reading with pretzels, I mean, that was, that is what kept Owen alive. Alright, that was the second one. That was the second one, the first one got murdered and then the second, I'm glad we doubled it. Yeah, that was, yeah, what do we like to be sure we had to read it? Oh, yeah, it was awesome. And the perfect two am carpets best food is queso, apparently. So. Nice. That's in the Southern Carpefest, we had steak at the Northeast Carpefest, remember we. That is, but that was torturous because we were like. That's like two o'clock in the morning, we started growing steak. Two o'clock in the morning. And so apparently, Eric, you guys are high quality and we're low maintenance. No, but you think it's two in the morning after I've been eating and drinking all day, you can't just put down this really nice prime cut of meat. And I'm like, I want to eat this, but I'm full and I can't and this is delicious. Here's the thing though, Evan, I'd rather have the queso because I don't like steak, but. Yes, you're just, you're just a horrible person, but that's, you know, neither here nor there. Yeah, it was great. Man, I had such an awesome time. Like I said, this year was so much better than last year. And it's going to be like, you know, next year is going to be better because we start seeing things that we didn't do. And I was like, man, you know, me and Bill were trying to figure out how many people actually came out. Well, shit, next year I'm going to just do a guest book and have people when they come in signing just so we can get an actual headcount and know who was there. That's a good idea, man. Good idea. We should do that. We'll try it out, see how it works and let you know. I'm worried about what people are going to write in the guest book because if there's anything like me, it's going to be horrible, horrible things. So. That's why they have to write it when they fill up, not wait till after they have it. Yeah, you have to do it first and then you can go in, right? Okay, I got it. Smart. We'll start hiring Evan to be a consultant for Carperfest. You can go around first before you talk. You can go around eating. What? Are you eating during the show? Oh, he's eating steak. Yeah, all right. Okay. I'm sorry. Now we've lost total control. Oh, my God. I can't take you anywhere, man. No, and you did. What does that tell you? It'll take you to Texas. Come back. Now you're all cocky. What the hell? I was cocky before we went to Texas. If anything, I'm going to be worse now. Yeah. Now people are in on your secret that I'm not that short. They won't say anything. I was more impressed that Owen wasn't nine feet tall. You know what I'm saying? I expect this giant to come walking through the door. He came in. I'm like, dude, you're not much taller than me. Yeah, I know, right? I paint a wonderful picture of like a giant and some midget doing this show. It's great. Both advertising. I know, right? Fantastic. Awesome stuff, man. All right, guys. Well, I'm going to get off of here, man. Again, you know, we were full-safe all coming out and damn sure he'll make it again next year and probably smuggle a decking with you next time. Put him in the suitcase. I bet he'll fit properly. He's smaller than me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully. But yeah, it was an awesome time, dude. It was awesome time. Yeah. It was good. All right, man. All right. More cases. Yes. Good. Three next year. Yes. All ready, guys. All right, man. All right. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah. I don't know. Is there anything else you wanted to hit on? Anything else? I don't know. I got nothing. I got nothing. I'm going to, like, I'm going to the Havader Grey show this weekend. And then I'm chilling out until the June Hamburg show and there may be a very good possibility. That June and August will be the last Hamburg shows I'm going to do. So we'll see. Okay. All right. Well, I don't really have anything else to, uh, to hit on. I think we hit on everything. So, uh, we can wrap it up and, uh, get rolling. Cool. I guess for as far as, uh, we go, uh, Dorothy's car professed. It's coming up May 21st. Uh, so a few weeks away, three weeks away. Yes. Yeah. I know. It'll be here before we know it. Uh, so probably sometime this week we'll get, uh, we got some donations, uh, already as far as people, um, having contacted me if they wanted to, uh, contribute to the auction that will do. Uh, oh, that was the other thing we should have mentioned. Um, we raised 260 bucks for, um, us arc from donations. As far as, um, the Southern Carpafescos and then they often off, uh, somebody to, uh, uh, shit. Who was it that one? I forget. Hold on one sec. Let the look it up. I'll wait. Okay. They're actually off a custom, uh, piece of artwork. Um, that you could have done. Bill had one done on one of his condos. It was amazing. All color pencil. And it looked like a freaking photograph. It was gorgeous. They often that off. I think it was. You think that came in at like 250 bucks. Yeah, it did. So it's, uh, yeah, that was. Michael, yeah. And, uh, who, who's doing the artwork again? The same guy who does do our t-shirt, right? Yes, it's, uh, uh, I was for, I was getting confused with, um, I don't want somebody else. I got his name written down. So Michael, uh, gambrel, he, uh, he won, he was the guy that won the, uh, the auction. And it is. For some reason, my phone. It's not working. Jeff Frederick, right? Yeah. Yeah, Jeff Frederick is the guy who is going to do the custom piece of artwork. He's the one who designed our t-shirts and, uh, his artwork is awesome. He had a couple of examples there. He does a great job. So that's cool. So technically Southern Carpafest has raised, uh, was like, what? Close to $500, right? Yes. Yes. So when we go and, um, we have what? A couple more days for the, uh, booster. You have, you have nine days left on the booster. If you have not purchased your MP, your Northeast Carpafest t-shirts in nine days, you will never be able to order them again. If you are hearing my voice and you have not ordered your shirt, you go over to the Morelia Pick of the Week on Facebook and click the link that's pinned to the top, and it'll take you over to the booster. If you're international, you can still order and it'll have to shift you directly from booster. No more of that, ship it to me, and then I ship it to you. It goes directly from the company to you. Just put in your address so you can get all this done. You only have nine days. And right now, as the booster stands, we have raised $450 for U.S. arc. Add that to the $500 we got from Carpafest, and we're close to about $1,000 already. And we haven't even done our auction yet. Yes. So, so hopefully between the two Carpafest, the Carpafest community will raise, uh, you know, I don't know. Yeah, let's hope. And, uh, Lord knows that they can use it. So, um, if you didn't get your shirt, get it. And if you want to, uh, put something up for auction, uh, then definitely get in contact with me, either via email, info@meraipythonradio.com, or send me a message on Facebook, uh, and we'll get it together. And send out a big thank you to, uh, Scott and Ty. Um, they, uh, our animals are earth.com. They donated, um, some t-shirts for the auction. There's a rough scale. And the other one was, uh, what is it, an obtail gecko? Uh, they sent a medium. I can't wear a medium. You got to get in shape, dude. That ain't, that, that shape never fucking happened. There was never a medium shape. Oh, when I was like four, maybe you knocked that shit off. Anyway, what we could do is, I mean, obviously they're awesome shirts. And if you guys have not gone over to their website and checked out all the shirts that they have, they're awesome. And, uh, come in a bunch of different colors and hoodies and stuff too. Go check their stuff out because they're very cool. But if you do want to add in the auction, remember, uh, you can put up animals, but do not bring them to Carpetfest. You can bring pictures and stuff. And then you can set up shipping with the dealer or with the winner. Um, there will be an online portion of the auction for people to lay down. Uh, the first round of bids. And then if you come to Carpetfest, you can beat that bid. This is just kind of to make it so that we don't have random things going for like two bucks or not at all. So this way everything goes, everything gets bid on. So keep an eye out for that. We'll make sure we'll throw that up during one of the episodes. And, uh, if you are interested in coming to Carpetfest, you have to get in contact with me. Let me know you're coming. Let me know what you're going to bring. We're at that point now where I pretty much have a lot of those boxes checked when it comes to food. And drink. We have a lot of entrees, some desserts, some sides, stuff like that. So if you are coming, I'm pretty much going to throw it out there and you can bring whatever the hell you want. Um, I just ask that you make sure you bring enough for a good amount of people. Uh, we're looking close to maybe 40, 45 people. So make sure you bring those. It can be dessert or it can be a side dish. It can be a main dish. Uh, and a drink. It can be alcoholic drink. It can be non-alcoholic drink. But you are also responsible for getting that food and drink ready for people to eat. So you cannot just show up with like, uh, bunch of raw hot dogs and leave them in my fridge. You have to actually cook them. So keep that in mind. Um, when you bring them like that, that's not fair. So if you don't feel like cooking, then you better go get something that just need to be cooked. Uh, you also need to let me know if you're going to use, need to use the oven. Uh, and what you might need to get a prep. I do have a lot of kitchen stuff, but you know, I don't want to overuse the oven or have a bunch of people try and wait in line to get to my oven or my microwave or whatever. Just let me know so we can move plan ahead. All right. That is all I've said or need to say. And hopefully it's going to be a good time. And if anybody shows up at my, through my house before three o'clock, I won't put your ass to work. So three o'clock is when carpet is stopped. It starts until then. People are cleaning my house and getting shit ready. So show up at your own risk. You have no choice. You're, you're, you're mine on Friday. Yeah, I'll be there Friday helping, uh, put it together. So, uh, yeah, we were debating on whether or not we were going to get a margarita machine. Um, actually not too bad, but, uh, I don't know. I think I personally would like it, but apparently, uh, the people up north are kind of picky about their margaritas. So, you know, reaching about Mark frozen margaritas and shit. You got to be kidding me. Yeah, but girly. There's something like that. I have, I have margarita mix of blender and tequila. You and I can have margaritas. Y'all then can just shut the hell up. Yeah, um, I'm going to see, uh, I'm going to get my dad to, uh, to make up a batch of that, uh, moonshine and, uh, probably optional. Some of it too. Uh, which would be cool. Um, what else? Yeah, uh, we should have some cool stuff for sure. And hopefully we can raise a decent amount of money. Um, I did have a, uh, thread, uh, overall. Uh, over on, uh, the Maralia Python radio, uh, Facebook group page. And, uh, I was asking if there was any, any shows that, uh, people would, would want to hear. And, uh, there's quite a number of, uh, of, uh, shows to think about and lined up and hopefully we'll get cracking on that. But one of them was, uh, Phil Goss from USR can talk about some of the walls and stuff that's, uh, that's happening in Iraq. Uh, so I'm hoping that. I'm hoping that, you know, we, we can tie it, tie it in that he could come on after we, uh, we raise all the money and, uh, we can present it to him and, uh, chat him up. But, uh, I know he's a busy guy, but it's definitely, uh, we're hearing about some of the, uh, the walls and such that, uh, that are going on and, and hear what those guys are doing. So, uh, be looking for that show. But if there's any, um, you know, topics or, or guests or species or whatever that you would want to hear about, uh, go over there and, and post it up and, uh, let us know what you think. Hopefully you can, hopefully you can put a particular breeder or a person, which makes it much easier for, for me to contact somebody because you just make something like a blackhead show. Um, yeah, I'd love to have a blackhead show too, but who, who do we talk to? Who do we got to get? Um, you know, obviously we've talked to Derek numerous times, but, uh, to hear somebody else's perspective, I know, um, I talked a while ago to the, uh, to the K brothers and they were going to come on. Uh, so I have to get back in touch with him because some of the stuff that, um, that they're doing with blackheads is just insane. Uh, if you haven't checked out their YouTube stuff, then you definitely should and see some of the, uh, the crazy morphs of blackheads that they're working with, uh, down there. Um, so, so yeah, uh, let's see. Uh, I think we head on everything as far as Carpetfest goes. Um, I guess that's it. And then the, uh, the Northwest, uh, released their date. Um, they're going to be September 10th. Stay tuned for information. Uh, as far as they go and the Southwest is going to be, what is it, May 20th, right? May 20th. So if you're out that way, definitely, uh, go hang with those guys over there. Um, I guess next week, I'm not really sure who we're going to have on yet. Uh, I really haven't thought about it because we're in Texas and, uh, I kind of put it off my mind. So I have to get that together and find out what's going on, uh, as far as next week with the guest goes. Um, you know, somebody that I'd love to talk to, uh, Bob Applegate. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, he would be, uh, he'd be a good, good, he's a good guest. Uh, I've heard him talk on other, uh, other podcasts and he's, uh, he's pretty funny, dude, man. Um, I'd like to get, I'd like to get Eugene to set back on here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Millions of times, yeah. Smack some knowledge down on us, for sure. Uh, that would be pretty awesome. So, um, so, yeah. Uh, so, MorelyPisonRadio.com, uh, I put up a, uh, little blog about, uh, Southern Carpet Fest. It's over there on the news section. You can see some of the pictures and, uh, a lot of the things that we talked about tonight is over there. Uh, if you want to check it out, um, if you want to get in touch with us, it's info@morelyapisonradio.com. Uh, we're on Facebook, uh, and Twitter. Uh, on our MorelyPisonRadio, um, we have the, uh, Facebook group page, and then we also have the, uh, MorelyPikaTheWeek is kind of like the, uh, the hub for all things, Morely on Facebook. Um, and, uh, what else, as far as MorelyPika? Oh, uh, you can get the show on iTunes. You don't have to listen live. You can download it at any time. Go back with past episodes, et cetera, et cetera. Um, and then as far as myself, um, so I had a couple of things going on. Um, like I was saying earlier, um, Citrus Tiger had albino, or albino clutch is, uh, all the babies are up, um, over on my website. If you go under, um, breeding diaries, go under 2016, and you just scroll down. You'll see a little tab that says, uh, clutch, uh, on the side there. It's a little gray button. You just click on it under the pairing, and it'll take you to that clutch page. You'll be able to see all the, all the different ones from that, uh, clutch, and, uh, you can check it out. Now they're all pre-shed, so, you know, obviously there's no color. The oil grows. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, you know, that way you can see the color, uh, you know, I want to start to record that and track that so you can actually see how they change. Um, so, uh, so yeah, I got a couple more clutches coming out. Um, uh, so hopefully, uh, if you're looking for some, uh, albino stuff and head albino stuff, uh, you know, hopefully we can hook you up. Um, if you want to get in touch with me for anything that I have going on, uh, with E.B. Moralia, you can check out, uh, just send me a message at the Eric at E.B. Moralia. Uh, and I also have the Facebook page, E.B. Moralia. I'm on Twitter and I'm on Instagram. And I don't do shows until Lee Park. So if you want to get anything from me, I definitely will be at Tinley Park. Other than that, I just ship stuff. So, um, that's all, that's, that's, I don't know, I don't have time for that. But I'm not, I'm not young like Owen. Owen's a young guy. I'm old, you know what I mean? Cool. Cool. Cool. If I'm debating about getting out, clearly I am getting older. I can't hang with those young guys only for a little while. What did, what did Bill's wife say? She's like, I have played a little bit of a new shut up, but I'm like, okay. So, yeah, I know, right? So, uh, so yeah, that's all I got going on. Check it out if you're interested in anything as far as that goes. And, uh, that's all I got. Cool. All right. So what I will say is, uh, you can go to rogue-reptiles.com, check out all the stuff we get going on there. Um, you can also go and find rogue reptiles at facebook.com, give us a like. I like to post all the pictures we got going on when it comes to babies and stuff like that, right over there. Uh, and if you're interested in any clutches that we have on the ground, it's the red tiger jag, as well as the, um, super caramel jags that are coming out. Let us know. Put you on the list. Don't contact you once the babies are ready. Uh, uh, the next show I have coming up is the June Hamburg. And that's all I got. So what we'll say is, thanks everybody for tuning in. And we'll catch you all next week for some more Moralia Python radio. Good night. Hey, Chad Brown here. You may remember me at the linebacker in NFL, where the reptile breeder and the owner approached us. I've been hurt since I was a boy, and I've dedicated my life to advancing the industry and educating the community about the importance of reptiles. I also love to encourage the joy of breeding and keeping reptiles as a hobbyist, which is why my partner Robin and Markle and I created the reptile report. 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Episode #245
In this episode we will be talking about our recent trip to the Southern Carpet Fest. We will also be hitting on how the 2016 breeding season is progressing and some of the other current happenings from the reptile world.