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Tonight it's just Owen and I doing what we do best....Talking carpet pythons. We have a variety of topics to hit on for this episode.
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We got you covered Visit the reptile report calm to learn or share about the animals click on the link to the marketplace find that perfect pet or breeder Then visit ship reptiles calm to ship that animal anywhere in the United States We are your one-stop shop for everything reptile related You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You You Welcome to Moralea Python Radio with your hosts, Eric Berg and Owen McIntyre. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Moralea Python Radio. Tonight is just Owen and I doing what we do best, talking carpet pythons. I don't know about Owen, but I've been kind of busy the past couple of weeks. I wasn't able to really get a guest lined up, but no fear because you have plenty of stuff to hit on. It's for sure. So what's going on Owen? Still getting locks. I don't know about you man, but past three days I've gotten three coats of girls locked up. So, and possibly the bread line, but I think he's just very sneaky. So, it's like, it's like they're coiled up together and their tails are laying on top of each other, but they're not locked. They're like, were you just like, are you getting, is this the beginning or the end of it? And then later I come down there and mob us it into the case. I'm like, you stupid goddamn it. So it's, and then the females don't eat, and the females aren't eating, but they're not huge. So I'm like, I have no idea what's going on right now, and I haven't pretend like I know what I'm doing with bread line. So, but yeah, I mean, I'm still getting, my big girl Trinity is still breeding with the tiger male I got on loan for bailin. And then the tiger boy that I bought from Howard earlier this year is still tinging between two girls and he's locking them both up every time he's with them. So, cool. I'm looking at possibly two tiger clutches and then clutches high con tiger chicks. Oh my god. And I forgot that, uh, palin is still breeding with the high con female that I got now. So it's like four females like, I don't know what the hell, when will the season end? I mean, at this point, it's like, aren't I supposed to just be like in eggs and then good now. So, yeah, you would take damage. So, yeah, crazy thing is I was telling you right before we started is, um, yeah, that, uh, so I'm feeding my snakes and, um, you know, I'm going through and, uh, they haven't, well, this is probably the third meal after coming into the world. But they're hungry, you know, so they're ready to eat. Um, I'm going through, I get to the Exanic Girl, the one that for whatever reason I have trouble breeding all the time and I just seem to, I mean, we get locks, you know, everything is cool, but she just doesn't go the distance. Um, I don't know if it has to do with maturity or whatever, but anyway, she refused the meal. So, started thinking like, huh, maybe I'm just not breeding her at the right time. Cause she's usually never refuses food. So, I figured, I pulled the albino mail out. The one that would breed a piece of shoelace if he, if you put it in a cage and it wiggled the right way. Yeah, and, uh, I put him in there. Um, actually, as we speak, maybe I should go and check and see, uh, if there's any action, cause it's been about, I don't know, maybe a couple of hours ago. I put him in, see, if she, if she ate him. Uh, uh, they're just playing together. So, late. That's good. Yeah. Let's just step in the right direction. So, I don't know, I just thought it was strange that, you know, typically a female. Where a snake that never refuses refuses food. Exactly. My bread, like, are the same way and have both girls go now. It's like, all right. So we're on the right side. You got to get the mail to do something. So, and, and it's like, I've done, I did the same formula. I did when I got bread of legs two years ago, but that was in the old house and now we're here. So, I don't know if I got them cold enough in the winter time. So, it may be another year of growing pains when it comes to bread life. Um, oh, here's a question. Uh, a new, we do have a new female that's going to. So, yeah. Okay. So she, she a virgin. Well, yes, Pharaoh is. I had her, I bought her a couple of years ago and then I had her on breed loan with a friend of mine who had like this bread lie. It looked like it had like the same kind of dots behind his head that I guess don't watch as. Okay. Nothing ever happened. And then I eventually got her back. And this is her first season with me. And I didn't get anything from, I don't think I have anything from her. But the other one, Raven is a proven female with the same mail. Okay. Yeah. Huh. So, here's a question. When you were at him in the basement, didn't you keep him outside of the basement, like outside of your room? Well, I had success with the bread lie. The first year I got them, I tried keeping them in the room just like on, in a sweater box, like on the floor. That didn't work. When I got success, it was actually when I had the white lips up in my bedroom at my old house. Because what I did is I had the white lips were taking up because it was a stack of like four or five gauges. And I was taking up the first top four and then the bottom cage was where the bread lie worked. And that's when I got luck with the bread lie. That's when I got locks. But I was getting locks in like January. And then I separated them because I didn't think we got anything. And I brought them back down stairs and I warmed them up. But I kept like, I just put them together still. And then I got eggs around, you know, I want to say I got eggs in like May. So it's like I got locks in January, but clearly nothing happened to, like she didn't get gravid until, because if the eggs showed up in May, there's no way she was gravid from January to May. So we're right. Interesting. Interesting. The short answer is I have no goddamn clue what I'm doing. And I'm going to continue doing, I don't know, until something happens and I get success. The crazy thing, and I don't know if I'm crazy, because unfortunately I don't have friends that are nearby that come over and help me solve my craziness. It's that I was cleaning the gold phase white lips the other day. Right. The big ones. Right. And I'm holding the female, which, you know, I'm holding her and not bleeding, which is miraculous all in itself. But I'm holding her, and you know when you hold the very gravid female, and from like where your hand is around midsection down, if they curl it, and it doesn't seem to curl the right way, and their stomach scales pop out. Yeah. Like a square. He's doing that from my pinky all the way down to the tip of her tail. Wow. And I'm trying to get pictures of it. She wants to fucking steal. She's trying to murder me. And it's like, and of course I'm like, oh my God, oh my God. What does this mean? Is it enough? Well, are they locking up? Are we freaking gravid? I don't freaking know. And they've been in quarantine since I got them probably about two or three months ago, I got them. And I actually have not fed them a single item of food since I got here. And the male is hungry as hell. She does not care. Really? For her to be that big with no food in her. What does this mean? So, yeah. I don't know. I'm freaking out. If I call you, like if I just call you one day, one morning, and you pick up and say hello, and all I do is scream and then hang up. I mean, because I got way to take, and I can't, I know I should tell you, but I can't get my brain to work enough to convey sentences. So, yeah. That'll be freaking sweet if that ends up happening. Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's kind of a thing for you, man. You know, that'll be like the equivalent of me breeding, like, Inland's. Oh, speaking of Inland's. Dude, I have to tell you, man. Did you ever go and like, you know, like, when you're happy? No, I don't have any. No, no, no. Did you ever go and like, when you have, you have, you have a pretty sizable collection. So you like, you're going through and like, I don't know how you, how you work. You're cleaning if you do it all in one shot or if you do it in sections or however, but I do mine. Yeah, I do it. I do it all in one shot, but unfortunately, the reason I can get away with all in one shot is because we're still, we're still paired. Pretty soon, when everybody's back in their own cages, all of a sudden, like, the amount of animals in the room seems to double. Even though it doesn't, it's just now there are double the cages that need to be cleaned because they're not all in one cage anymore. They're like spread out. So. Right. Yeah, it's like. We usually do it all in one swoop. Yeah, so I do, I try to make it so that I'm in my snake room every day. And I think this one day, or I don't have to clean or feed anything. But I like to do it in a rotation where I'll feed this, you know, section, I have it sectioned off, A, B, C, D, E type of thing. And like, I'll feed this section A, see if, you know, I go through the next day, make sure everything ate. I give them, you know, clean them, clean water, all that stuff. And then I'll move on to the next, you know, the next section. So I basically clean the day after I feed, just, you know, just to make sure. Especially with babies, that way, if anything's like kind of left behind or, you know, anything like that, it's not thinking up the room. But with that being said, you're like, you know, it takes me, well, you know, it takes me about five days to get around. But I get to spend time with the animals that are involved. You know, I'll look and see if things need spot check, you know, spot cleaning and whatnot. But for the most part, you know, I'm not going and disturbing the animal too much. So I get around to the, to the inlands yesterday. And dude, dude, like, when you get them, when you, when you get them in their babies, they're like, there's like jungle carpets, right? Where they're kind of like, yeah, they're like, yeah, I can see where, where it's going to come in. But I don't, I'm not getting it. And then yesterday, man, I opened up the tub. And, you know, it's like, holy shit. These things were like, dude. Oh my God, dude. Wow. Dude, they put, like, anything. Anything, anything, anything to shame, dude. Oh my God. And the color is so hard to capture on camera. It's just so difficult to get, I don't know how to explain it, man, but they are awesome. What an underrated carpet python. Jesus Christ. When people see them, like at a reptile show as adults, they're going to be popular telling you. Yeah. But. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, pretty, pretty excited about them. Hopefully my pair of, um, I have a pair of Moog, um, that I got way back. They should be ready next year. And they're the ones that look like they're, you know, they must be hitting that, I guess, uh, two year mark where carpets just kind of like look at their peak, you know, um, where they're like, just like, yeah, that's it. So it's cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm looking forward to breed them. That'll be exciting and different and sure frustrating and everything. I'm telling you, I'm telling you the worst thing that possibly happened to me and my wallet and probably Nick mutton's rule over me is that you're going to start breeding all those animals that you have. Cause then it'll just be like, well, I'm just going to go to Eric's with this bin and I'm just going to start throwing babies into a bin. And I'm just going to write, I'm just going to write down what I've taken and handed to you and then walk out and they'll start paypelling you the rest of my life. That's going to happen. I'm, I think I'm more excited that you're moving and getting a giant snake room and are going to start breeding than you are. Cause now it's just like, yeah, the grocery store is open and I have the charge card. So it's like, yeah, I mean, yeah, can be great. Yeah, so it's, I was pretty excited the other night. I'll tell everybody about that story. So the other day, I was at my, my parents for Easter and as everybody knows, I'm kind of like, we're looking to move and we're looking at. That doesn't know you were, you ever doesn't know you were supposed to move in the summer. So the carpet has to be at your house, but you lied to me. Yes. So hopefully next year that, that, that'll be that a week. There's no hopefully next year will be in your house. Yes, and from that point forward, you know, or we'll switch out every couple of years or whatever. But, yeah, my sister is the realtor. So she already knows what I want and what I'm looking for. So she found this house that has a house, another house, like not attached to the house. It's on an acre of land and it's outside. I can't remember. It's not warm. It's outside the city. I can't remember exactly where it was at. But anyway, it's a, it's like a garage that had add-ons to it that was not a garage anymore and is basically like, yeah, this huge building with like, I think it has five rooms in it. And a bathroom and this one room where it's like, it's nothing but windows on the side and it's like these big, huge, like, six foot tall windows by four foot wide. And are you telling me you can't look at that room with all those big ass windows and be like, bowling and dying in this room? And then over in this room, you have the carpet. And then in this room, I'll have like an alligator. Why could I spit a goddamn alligator in this room and I want it? And then like, in this room, it's like, you know, and then he has a bathroom. It's like, shit, this will be all my cleaning. It's like, you can't tell me that your brain wasn't just going to overdrive. I didn't care that your doxins on an acre of land will never actually explore the entire amount of land. Because of your tiny bodies, they'll never actually be able to get to the entire acre. Like that is so far out of your brain is gone. Like, and of course, you know, your wife and your sister can be talking about how like, well, the kitchen is kind of destroyed. It doesn't matter. You're already measuring the snake building. That's got to be fantastic. I, I, and it's like, I'm like, I hope you get it because that would be so cool to help you set up. Oh my God. I'm just being a part of it. So it's like, yeah, my ultimate. Yeah, my ultimate, like, you know, I already have sort of my ultimate room planned out, like, if I were to have, you know, unlimited funds and all that kind of stuff. You already have your ultimate room planned out, but have you had your ultimate building planned out? No, that's what I'm saying. Like, I would have separate, yeah, I would have separate rooms for spring breeders and, and winter breeders and it's like, oh man, dude. Oh my God. And then what you can do is you can set up the bones and the diamonds in that big room with the windows that you can gauge them by the phases of the moon. No, you're just being a dick. Now, now you're just crushing the dream. Yeah. Now you're, yeah, but no, it was, it was weird because there was, there was two houses that she was showing me that night and one was not too far from that. And it had like an in-ground pool and, you know, house is beautiful and, you know, you know, fireplace and all, all the bells and whistles that you could possibly want. And the basement was huge. Yeah, which, which was cool, but I'm like, you know, I'm like, man, I'm really torn because I like. And that building, yeah. Well, we have an acre of land. You go and put in a damn pool. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But, yeah, no, it's fun. It's fun doing, you know, house hunting and shit and all that. So, yeah, hopefully, I want to do it like sooner rather than later because I want to get everything situated. You know, yeah, I mean, the season next year. And I mean, you're pretty much locked in with the eggs that you're getting for the season. I mean, you might have a few stragglers, but you got clutches. And I mean, now I think it would be the time to get them or sooner would be now sooner would be the time to get them in and situated. But of course, I told you this dozens of times because I don't want you to do what I did is buy the house and then. Got it and do whatever you got to do to get the snake room set up the way you need to. And then with the snakes and don't kind of do them both at the same time, like some other dumb people do. Yeah, you mean the midnight express. You got to get these out by tomorrow. Yeah, I couldn't believe that. I'm like, I'm driving home with Zach. And I'm like, he has to be going out of his mind. Yeah, just put it in there. Just put it in there. Just put it in there. I'm like, wow, he's pretty loud. So good. Yeah. He gets excited when Skype doesn't work. You know what I mean? You know, his ruffies and the green trees and everything. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. So, yeah, I'm a for me. I just got one clutch. I should be getting it next week. I think it's another albino to a tiger clutch. You don't see what happens with that. You had the albino to the ossol. Did that weigh yet? Yep. I got 15 eggs, 15 eggs. Nice. So you're looking at what, three clutches for the year? I had four, but the coastal one went bad. I may be the axanic possibly, but yeah, that's where I'm at. Okay. Cool. I was pretty stoked with my offspring from last year's that they're starting to come into prime, which is good, you know, for selling them. So I'm going to be getting on. And I hate that about you. I hate that about you. You're like, oh, think about selling this one. You're like, it's just a, you brought into a super caramel zebra that's like glowing out of the computer and you're like, you're like, it's okay. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's like gorgeous. You're like, yeah, yeah. My whole bags are better. I'm like, you've got your own soul. So it's, you know, for you to get that stuff. I mean, yeah, your babies are no freaking jokes. And you do have considerable amount of babies left over from last year, which we don't really need to go heavy. I have no babies. Actually, I'm sorry. I have one baby left over from last year. And it's a little tiger jack. That's it. Everybody else is gone. So, wow, I am very happy for the 37 eggs I have in the incubator. And I am extremely pleased that I'm not done yet, so that we might get a few more clutches. And I'm counting all the animals that I have here. I'm not counting the two jungles that I have on breeding alone or the eye jack. Because I have no idea what's going on with them. They could be breeding. They could not be breeding. We could be getting them out of breeding. No. Yeah. Well, you're not your female turned male transgender snake. It's not bringing him back here. Because I have a feeling I'm going to be cooking something special for carpet fest and it may be an ivory jack. Oh, okay. There you go. God damn much. Turned out to be a boy. Yo, you know, it was funny. It was funny. Nothing. No part of this was funny. So I have a breeding diary page, right? And on there, I sort of update, you know, what's going on with the pairings that I paired up. So on my breeding diary page, I have that pairing, right? And I put on there. Hold on. I'm going to tell you exactly what I did. You put on like, you know, turned out to be male in quotations. Oh, it's like, you know, because that's kind of what I put on my breeding journal about it. Yeah. Where's that? Let's see. It's funny. It's pretty funny. No, it's not funny. None of that is funny. Nothing about that is funny. Okay. Here it is. Here's the pairing, right? It says 1129 introduced 1130. I believe that Owen's female is really a male. Thank you. Right there. Nice to the heart. And they were pretty freaking babies too. Wow. Yeah. And now here's the thing. In this situation, where you have a female, turn out to be a male, and it's one of those animals that you didn't really have a mate for it. You see here and you're like, the next thing to do is be like, sell it or get a mate for it. Yeah. If this now, let me put it this way. If it was, you know, if my super caramel goes from female to male, it's not leaving. It just means that I have to adjust who it's breeding to in the next couple of years. This thing, I have no male. I have no, I have no pair for it. So what do I do? Do I sell it? Do I try to find an ivory female? And if I find an ivory female, how long is that thing going to take to raise up? Two, three years? Yeah. Do I ruin everybody and breathe to my diamond python and then just totally just boggle it. Oh, shit. Oh, man. Yeah. It takes my say my Gary Vail female and just breathes into this monsterosity. Yeah. I don't know, man. That's, I guess it depends on how bad you want to see, you know, ivory gold. It's like, I would, I would love to, but I passed on so many ivory males when that thing was growing up just because it was, it was there. She's pretty. I like her. It's cool. And I talked to him and it's a goddamn it. If I just bought an ivory female, when it was a baby, we could have been right in the kitchen right now, but right. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. She's a, well, he's a beautiful snake. I mean, he's an awful snake. He really is. He's really, and he's, he's a good looking jag. And, you know, he does get, you know, jaggy ever once in a while, but not that bad. Some zebra jags. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely a. He definitely does get a little loopy. Yeah. But. Well, yeah. I don't know. It's one of those things that hang on to him and see if there's a potential female that drops out of the sky sometime in summer. Or, you know, let him go by October of next year or something like that. So. Yeah, you'd never know. I mean, you could put him out alone as well. You know, I mean. Yeah. Now he's a male. Do you need a male? No. Oh, and I'm good. I have the actual ivory jungle male. Thank you, Eric. Moving on. Yeah. So, yeah, but the. That's a. That was pretty funny. That's a way. First joint, first joint pairing we ever did turned out disastrous. Who could have seen something? Yeah. So, yeah, I have. I don't know. I, I went through, I guess it was, I spent most of God about five hours yesterday updating my website. I've been really trying to make sure that I've been slacking off a little bit with my website, which. I don't know. Seems like, seems like to me that. I mean, that's like one of the rules of website. You know, if you're going to have a website, keep it updated. Because you know, as well as I know, like one of the things that frustrates the shit out of people is like they go to your website and hasn't been updated in forever. And you know, I'm trying to make a. What would it be kind of like, I guess if I were to have an idea in my brain, it would be Anthony Capineto's site. I just remember going to that all the time and finding it very useful and really, you know, checking it out. And I thought it was, I thought it was pretty, pretty cool. One of the things though, that, you know, going back and listening to some old episodes and stuff, and I don't know if I talked about this on the last show or not, but it's kind of crazy that, you know, how, I don't know. I guess how human nature is, but like back then, a jag was like the ultimate. You know what I mean? Like when I came to carpets, it was like, dude, dude, you know what I mean? You would like freak out at like a top-notch jag and like today, it just seems like they kind of lost their luster, I guess, but I don't know, man, you know, it's like, I kind of like. Because everybody got one, everybody was pining over what they couldn't have. Dude, if I took the tiger jags I produced last year that I was selling for like 200 bucks and like went back in time, you're looking at like $1,500 animals that would be gone immediately. Yeah, I mean, that's another fit. Well, that's another thing that even like started me thinking like tiger jags, what a, what a, like, it seems like nobody really works with them. They're buying products now. Yeah. Yeah, which sucks because they're freaking awesome, man. You know, it's, I don't know. People, and what I think is that people seem to skip a lot of things like, I will make exotic jags and then the next thing I will do is attempt to make exotic tigers. Cool, everything is now done in a panic moving on. It's like, well, wait, why don't you make exotic tiger jags by breeding that big panic tiger to that big panic jags. And it's like, well, and if, or if they do it, it's because when they were making the exotic jags, they use the tiger jag. It's like, well, you know, a really reduced pattern, exotic tiger jag, I think would look freaking awesome, especially when you really got into like crossing the tiger back to the tiger jags a few times. That was sick. So, but it's almost like people don't even, that's not even a consideration. It's like, and done. And then they move forward or basically like what people like to call caramel tiger jags. And doesn't really do it for me. It's not like because tiger jags used to be on such a high pedestal, something that you had to be lucky enough to own a jag and a tiger to do it. Not a lot of people did for a while. To do it the short way around, which is taking a tiger jag and breeding into all these works, I think it's like depleting a little bit. It's almost like I really want people to go the long way around the barn and make the tigers make really, really good tigers. And then make the jags and make really good jags and then cross them together to get the ultimate kind of morp that you wanted there. And that would be making really good looking caramel jags and really good looking caramel tigers and then making a caramel tiger jag or even a super caramel tiger jag at that point. So that's what I would like to see, whether or not that's what we get is here or there. That's just my opinion, which is why I did the caramel tigers and now crossing them to my caramel tiger female. Now I'm trying to get her to breed to a caramel jag that she's holding up. Yeah, you know, I think back to the days when I remember looking at what Jason Balen was producing as far as tiger jags back in like '08, '09. It was just like unbelievable trying to reduce those bald backs and just really, really awesome animals. Take a step further, do you remember when they took those animals with those really nice bald backs and really reduced pattern and crossed the tiger back into them? And he got that one boy that was like the super they called it the super tiger jag because they slapped the name super on everything. Yeah. He had like no pattern on his head. He had pinstrapping down the sides of him and then he had like really reduced saddles down near the tail and that was it, that was him. And he looked gorgeous, cream colored. And I have no idea what happened to him because Will got out shortly after he reached maturity. And I think maybe he bred one clutch and then Will called it quits. So I don't know what happened to the animal one. Two, I don't know what happened to any kind of offspring that came from that boy. And that kind of is like when that one will left, that kind of stopped all the talk of really working and refining tiger jags. At that point, the floodgapes had opened and albinos were coming, zebras were on the horizon and everybody started going with that. So it all goes back to people tended to all of a sudden people seemed to work the hell out of a jungle carpet pairing to get to the really bright yellow, black and yellow, you know, jungles. But nobody ever really kind of worked too much at a coastal project, which I don't see why not. I mean, especially with a tiger jack, dude, the first couple tiger jags that Will had, like I cut up a reptiles magazine, just so I got pictures of the tiger jags on my computer at college. And I would just be like, one day, one day, and it was like, you know, and it's like, you get them. You're like, this is the most beautiful thing on the planet. And it's funny because, you know, on that computer that's super little desktop, I added so many pictures of chiropractors are talking granite. We're talking the first image of a zebra I ever saw, like, it was like, these things are always on there. It's like a one day I'll get these things as I had, you know, my coastal from Ted Thompson and my Michael panel female that I got from, I don't know how. So, it was one of those things. I would love to see more projects that are involved with really good looking tiger jags. Again, I don't think anything beats a really good looking tiger jack. Yeah, it's really hard to beat for sure. And, you know, it's good for me, I guess, to go back and kind of look and go through that. So, yeah, like I was saying, I updated my site and, like, one of the things that I always liked about Anthony, Anthony's site was that he had a keeping and a breeding section. So, I've been slowly chipping away at that and, you know, I have a keeping section that talks about, like, some of the misconceptions and temperature and caging and, you know, all that kind of stuff. I'm going to add the carpet complex next and what you need to know about, you know, sort of like, I guess, you know, what are crosses and all that kind of stuff and how do you know your stuff is pure. So, then I went and added a breeding carpet by Thon's section. And I'm up to, like, the male combat part of it, you know, and I go step by step through the weeks and stuff like that and try to, you know, this season I tried to take a lot of pictures to sort of show what was going on. And then the other thing is, like, I did what I've been trying to do with my collection page is, you know, that was another thing that I always liked about. You know, I like it about your website, too, when it's like you go on and you can actually see individual animals and whatnot. So, kind of what I have is, like, all my main collection pages just gives you the overview of what I'm working with. And then if you click on, you know, the animal, whether it's some species or a morph, you know, it'll take you to another page and it'll, you know, tell you about what it is. So, the first more that I worked on was the JAG and if you go to the collection page and click on the JAG, it'll take you to what I would call the JAG page. And it's slowly coming up on here. But basically, I tried to talk about what the gene is. I gave a little bit of the history on the gene, and then the genetics behind it. I tried to use, like, picture examples to where it would show you, you know, if you bred JAG to a coastal what you would get and if you bred a JAG to a JAG, what you would get. Then I sort of put what I'm working with, as far as just straight JAGs go, that you see the individual animals, and then at the bottom, which, you know, as I go through and I start, you know, adding the other morphs, it's just like related morph combos that, you know, you could click on that's related to the JAG that I'm working with. But one of the cool things is that I actually have a picture of the first JAG produced, which is kind of a shitty picture, but at least it's the picture. And then that, you know, we always talk about Benjamin and Madam Blueberry, and their names come up a lot. And we always talk about this picture in the reptiles magazine. The white one. Yes, so that's on that page. And I sort of have a shitty picture of Madam Blueberry, it's kind of crappy because it was really small, so the, you know, to blow it up, the resolution was kind of crap. This is probably why you want an ivory JAG. That picture right there is probably why you want an ivory JAG. Because that thing is smoking. So that's kind of what I've been working on on my site. Hopefully, you know, it's always a work in progress. You know, so hopefully people will get some use out of it. The idea is that if you have new people that are coming in and they come there, and people ask questions all the time that you have something you can direct them to that you don't necessarily have to keep repeating over and over again, you know, the things that people ask. We still will, but yeah, it's so true. It's one of those things, but it's cool that you kind of have a set up because almost like you're living in cyclopedia kind of going on right here, and you are constantly updating it is the pictures that everybody is associated with what absolutely sucks and I wish I could get it for you. I mean, it was on my old old computer, but the one picture of Benjamin after the white picture when he got older. I think I have that. You do. You should put that up to just to break everybody's heart because it's like there was, I forget what it was. There was one guy who I actually this is probably one of my first interactions with Buddy, not Buddy Buscemi, other buddy, which, you know, in my defense, it should have been what set him our relationship up for the next couple of years. He shouldn't be surprised by anything I do, but they come up with him and his friend and they're always like, "Oh man, we got this Jack and it's from Benjamin." It's like, you know, it's like, sigh. It's like, guys, no, it's like, yeah, he's so freaking white. It's gorgeous and it's super and it's like, guys, no, I bought into the same thing. My female Jaggerora was a Benjamin, Madam Blueberry, one of the last ones that I ever saw Benjamin produce. And she was khaki cream color when I got her. But at times, she grew up, she was yellow. So it's like, guys, no, and I told them, like, listen, it's not going to stay that way. It's going to turn yellow. No, no, no, no, no. I'm like, yeah, no, it's going to turn yellow. Like, a couple shows later, it turned yellow. I'm like, yeah, yeah, go on. And it's like, yeah, that's what happens. So, and it's like, there are pictures out there of Benjamin when he got older that nobody ever sees. Everybody always sees when he was tiny in that one picture, which I don't know if it's overexposed or whatever, or he was just that white when he was tiny, but all jags, especially jags in his line, do yellow out when they get older. I know for a fact, because I have jags from his line. I mean, like I said, Aurora was Benjamin Meta Blueberry. And her daughter, Dolores, is in there and she's bright yellow. So, and she looks just like her friggin mother. So, right. That's just how it went. And everybody bit onto that stuff. And sitting here now and watching and knowing all the tricks and, like, tips and adding freaking name here and super this and sibling that onto everything. And I was like, God damn it, these were all boys to get snakes sold, and it freaking worked. Once again, I have to tell you that I don't bring this up to Justin and Ben, because I'm worried they're going to remember and then hate me for the rest of their lives. But when I was looking for my first jag, I almost bought one from Justin and Ben to the point where I was about to pull the trigger when I contacted will because I really wanted a jag from Meta Blueberry and Benjamin. I told me Aurora, which means I backed out on Justin and Ben. Oh shit, I was young and I even didn't know what I was doing. So, I think they forgot, but I'm like, because nowadays where I have that kind of stuff happened to me, for this, that everything where somebody blows up my phone or my email for like a week straight talking about an animal. And then maybe later I get an email saying, man, look at this albino I bought. I'm like, so that's what you got instead of the caramel jag you were talking to me about. That's why you disappeared. So, it's like, aha. So, the thing that I did that to them was, you know, it's funny in the long run when you think about that stuff. Yeah. Awesome. Let's see. That was funny. I just Googled Madam Blueberry Carpet Python and it took me to Luke's site. And I'm looking at some of his red ghost holes, dude. Oh my God, it's off the chain. Some of the shit. You already have them. Oh my God. You already have that really nice red and you already have that really nice red tiger and you already have that extremely nice red jag. So, I don't even want to hear it. You got that. Just breed your own, damn it. I will be soon enough. I told you I'm first on that list. I don't care who else talked to you. Yeah, they'll go. Molly Ringwald breeds the V, they're mine. Yeah, that'll be a cool pairing for sure. Hopefully it doesn't get mocked up by moving, but we'll see. So, let's see. What else do we got? You know what we had? We, I guess, kind of a sad thing. You just want to throw this out of there. Bob Futo, he passed away last week, right? He had pancreatic cancer. He did a, he did a lot of tremendous things for the reptiles and he was pretty, pretty, pretty well to do when it comes to Moralia. So, you know, he will be missed for sure. I know you met him. I think you said it, Tinley Park, right? Yeah, I met him at the, not the October Tinley, but the March Tinley where I went without you. Right. I met him there. He was a cool guy. We were talking about some of his jungles and he has those really weird-looking, red light, jag, smingies. So, they were kind of cool. So, yeah, it wasn't like a long conversation or anything like that. It was just, you know, introductions and hey, how are you and gorgeous animals and stuff like that, but he came across as a nice guy. And of course, I've never heard, I haven't heard anything, but good things come from fellow carpet breeders. So, we do definitely want to convey any condolences and well wishes to the family and friends of him. Sucks, especially having a family member, especially losing a family member to cancer like I did a few months ago. Right. It is, it is home. It, you know, and it really does suck that somebody, you know, loved one gets taken that way. Right. So, definitely do that. So, yeah, a lot of people were posting up pictures and animals that he produced or from his lineage and whatnot. And the interesting enough that Tiger IJ traces back to Bob. I'm trying to get that whole story together and, you know, we'll probably talk about it at another time. So, I have all the facts straight. But yeah, yeah, it traces back to him being involved. So, that's cool. I guess before we move on to some other things, let's get the car professed news out of the way. So, right, first up, we got the Southern Carpus vest is April 30th, it starts at four o'clock. It's the second one and it's going to be a Bill's Stiegel's house. So, if you're in the area, it's in Arlington, Texas, I will be headed down. Oh, okay. All right. All righty then. Well, I'll be headed down. Right. There you go. And if you're an angry listener now, now would be the time to post on the Internet about how a window doesn't care about carpet. Go on. I'll wait. So, yeah, if it's going to be a good time, those guys down there are awesome. I'm looking forward to hanging out with those guys again. A lot of cool, cool guys and cool girls too. Southwest Carpus Fest, which is in, what did I write it down when it's from? Passo Robles, California 2016 Carpus Fest. This is their second one. This will be held at Living Legless Reptiles. And it starts at 12 noon on May 20th. And go late into the night. They're doing a barbecue, etc. They'll meet up again on the 21st. It looks like they're doing a Herpin Adventure at the local hiking spot. So, if you're interested in doing that, make sure you RSVP to Travis Johnson. And he'll get you the address and all that. They're trying to get a head count so they know as far as food goes. And there is local hotel rooms available. And it looks like they will be doing an auction for U.S. Arc. So, Bill. Aw, that makes me feel bad. You jerk you. You jerk. You may feel cry. I don't know. I didn't make Bill Cry. I'm going to his Carpus Fest, you know. Shut up yet. That's enough out of you. But anyway. So, go on more Carpus News. Southwest Carpus Fest. So, yeah, if you want to get in touch with Travis Johnson, he'll get you more info. Then there's our Carpus Fest. Northeast Carpus Fest is on May 21st. Exciting news for us, I think. We are going to have a pretty well-to-do guy when it comes to the Carpus Python world coming out from the west. Oh, no, not him. Here's a funny thing. Oh, and my dad might come. Oh, god dammit. So, it's going to be my dad and your dad. No, this is a nightmare. So, it's kind of like, I had this idea that we can do a video of me and you doing something. No. And then your dad and my dad doing something. No, because he'll do it. I'll flash forward. Oh, god. I will be classic. No. Yeah, so I was that. This was a couple of weeks ago. I think it was for my birthday. I was at my parents' house and I was talking to my dad about it and I was asking him about the apple pie moonshine. And if he could get that together. Oh, yeah. I got wrecked on that stuff after Carpus Fest. It was like two weeks later, Owen in his playing video games, freaking apple pie moonshine, and then he didn't know where he was. But anyway. So, I asked him and, you know, he said, "Oh, when's that?" And I said, "You know, it's the 21st of May." And he said, "Do you want to go?" And he's like, "Yeah, maybe I will go." And I said, "Yeah, well, Owen's dad goes." So, you know, and you kept reptiles before, you know, it's coming to hang out. You're already 10 times better than Owen's dad. He just shows up and wrecks the place. He says, "Maybe you would." And then I told him, "My idea of, you know, having me and you and then him and your dad." I think that would be hard. No, no, no, it wouldn't. Again, once again, we've had this conversation that probably would be like any other show where we have the knowledgeable reptile guy and that dude. So, it's like, "Yeah, so the dynamic wouldn't fit that much." That's funny. But, the guest, one of the guests that's coming out is Nick Button. It's going to be coming out from the west coast to come and hang out with us on the northeast. It looks like we got quite the list of people already. Last time I checked, I think there was about 25 or so people coming. 25 close to 30. I mean, you know. I think this is going to be probably the biggest year yet. It's going to be a big, freaking year. And it's one of those things of like, "I'm so happy to see it grow. I really am." And I'm so happy to see all the people come and more people come and people wanting to be here. So, it's one of those things that I'm very, very happy that it is continuing to expand. And I hope it really gets to the point where, you know, we have a big ass kind of a carpet fest at like October Tinley, where it's like all the carpet fest around the nation joined at Tinley in October. We're like, "We just have way too many Morellia people running around to throw a stick at." So, that I think would be amazing. And I know that we gear it towards carpet pythons because that's what we're fanatical about. But I mean, really, I mean, you know, I know that the Kondro people were talking about, you know, if we gear it. Coming up, please. Before it's Morellia that more Kondro people would come. But, hell man, you know, we had Kondro people there. Remember the first year? It was probably half and half. You know, it was half Kondro. It was more Kondro people. Yeah. And carpets. Well, the first Kondro, you got your first Kondro at a carpet fest. So, it's like, come on. It's like, yeah, if you're into anything that is remotely merely, we had Dave Means at a carpet fest and he brought scrubs. It's like, definitely, please, come out. The only thing we ask is that you do not try to treat it as a sales session. Don't bring a -- that was at one carpet fest, like, I think it was like the first or second, where somebody literally bought, like, fresh off the boat imported stuff to try to tell everybody. And it's like, no, not a carpet fest. You can talk. You can bring. I know Mike Curtain brought a bunch of ocelots and stuff to show off last year. That's totally cool. If you're going to bring animals, check with me first, because I'll probably say no. Just so everybody knows that. If you're bringing animals, Owen will most likely say no. Get the whole point. We don't really want people to bring animals too much. But -- Well, the thing with that is, I mean, you're opening up your house, which you have your collection at your house, and you don't want to bring any non-nasties into it. Not that, you know, I think somebody would do that purposely, but, you know, you never know. So it's better to be -- Well -- Better to err on the side of caution with that one. And I should break it to everybody right now. The rough scales aren't here, guys. They're at my friend Andrew's house, and they will stay there. They will not be here at carpet fest. So for all those people who are plotting ways to steal Owen's rough scales, I apologize. I've already beaten you. So, they will not be here for carpet fest. There will be other animals you guys are more than welcome to play with, but not the roughies. Sorry. My male is kind of doing this thing that is requiring some vet attention. So he is down at a friend's place that is closer to the vet, and then for giggles, I sent the female with me as well. So -- Yeah. Yep. Yeah, that's -- He was -- What's that? I know people are like half the people wanting to show up and see them, and I apologize. They'll be back sometime in summer. But just cutting everybody off there so I don't have to keep explaining it, even though I probably will. Yeah, you will. So, yeah, we put up a -- we put up today. I added an event. I kind of shared it around, and whatnot, of all the details of everything. I know at some point we're going to -- Yeah, you can -- You can't see roughies at Southern carpet fest. Yeah, I know how it feels. I wouldn't make the trip just to steal the roughies. Just to steal them, yeah. So, yeah, we got that there. If you're interested in as far as -- at some point -- well, me and Owen are probably going to get together at some point this week and work out some details as far as auction and t-shirt. We actually had somebody contact us about wanting to do a new design. And the design was pretty cool, but it was a rough skill. Yeah. Which is why I love it. Which Owen was super excited about. But I've mentioned -- I'm like, fired back immediately. No, actually. I said, this is carpet fest. You have a rough skill right there. So good looking. I don't know why I pointed that out to you. But that would be cool as a Moralia Python radio shirt, for sure. It would be cool as a shirt. I wanted for carpet fest. You're ruining my dreams again. So, it is -- it is awful. I do feel kind of bad how quickly I turned on Zach there. Yeah, I know, poor guy. Zach, I just know that Zach is super busy, you know. Oh, yeah, he's got that puppy. New puppy. She's adorable. He's working on Bernie Sanders getting elected. I guess he's running his vice president for Bernie Sanders at this point. I don't know. And it's just funny that I've been there with a brand new puppy, and you're like, it shouldn't be that bad. Oh, hell no. It shouldn't be that hard. Why did you rip down all the curtains? I didn't think that would be a problem. So, it's like watching him kind of do like the whole like, "We're going to leave her locked in the bathroom like you're not going to work." And it's like, then later on the day, you post up the picture, and I'm like, "Yeah, you got all the lights." Zero would have like ripped the sink off the wall. So, it's like, it's just funny to watch that stuff. But, yes, we're working on the T-shirt design. We'll have that finalized. Eric and I have a meeting tentatively set for Thursday. Where we will have everything for Carpetfest laid out in the next couple of days for you guys. If you are coming to Carpetfest, you need to let myself or Eric know that you are coming and you need to tell us what you're going to bring. You have to bring some food or drink item, preferably both, to Carpetfest to kind of share with everybody. And you are responsible for getting that food item ready to serve. So, you can't bring a bunch of raw hot dogs and call it good. If you bring raw hot dogs, guess who didn't stand in front of my grill to all the hot dogs that cook? That's right, you. So, it's one of those things where, you know, know what you're going to do, know what you're going to bring. If you don't really feel like bringing anything, just talk to me. We'll figure something out. If you don't feel like making anything, that is. I know, I think I let somebody off light last year, as long as they promised to grill everything, and that was good. I did not care. So, sure. Yeah, why not? So, that's just how it goes. You got to bring something. We got to have an accurate head count. So, I got to know how many things to tell everybody else to bring. So, yeah, that's definitely let us know if you are going to attend. T-shirts will be up soon. As always, the T-shirts are going to go to U.S. Arc as well as the auction. If you would like to contribute auction items to North East Carba Fest, please drop a line to myself or Eric. We're going to start asking officially soon. But if you're going to be ahead of the game, that's cool too. Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, like, I don't think we're going to do, well, again, we'll wait for more details, but I don't think we're going to do live animals. We'll do, like, vouchers. No past, that type of thing. You can donate a single animal. Like, if you have an animal that you want to put up for auction, that's fine. But don't bring it here. Give me pictures. Do not bring it all the way here because a lot of times, especially with all the people that are traveling, people can't take it. So, they're going to have to set up shipping anyway. So, the best thing to do is just send pictures and leave it at home. Yeah, that way, unless, well, then you're not going to absolutely know that that person's going to take it. Exactly. So, that's a difficult thing. So, anyway, I always found it's best to do the voucher thing that way people can get the animal they want. I still think I have, like, tons of people with vouchers somewhere that they still have to claim and check in on. Yeah, if the guy would only put something up for sale, you know? It's weird that, like, last year, the guy who won my voucher, like, immediately went back to the snake room and went like, "I want this, this, and this." And I'm like, "Don, I mean, then it was over." Where the year before, Scott Reuben won my voucher and I totally forgot about it until we're at a hamburger show and he's like, "I would like to buy this caramel." And I'm like, "Yes, $200!" and he's like, "You're the voucher." Damn it! It's like, you know, shit! And then, you know, there goes the $40 snake and it's like, "I forgot about that damn voucher." So, some people move really quick, other people just sit and wait and want a particular animal. And that's totally within your right. There's no exploration of these things. But, yeah, you may have to remind us that when you won the voucher, Nick's coming. So, I don't know if Nick throws up a voucher. I don't know, man. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, my God. [Laughter] Hell yeah! Nick's... Oh, God. And, you know what? I was going through my Facebook the other day and I saw the picture of Romulus, the rough scale I sent to him, breeding with his female rough scale. Right. And, apparently, he's doing a really good job because Nick's even selling his auxiliary mail. So, I'm proud of that boy, but it's like sitting there, I'm like, "Oh, that lock was in January." All right. The lock was in January. There are probably more than just one lock. This could have been the first lock, which means he shouldn't have gotten gravid. It means we're right now coming into April. So, if she was gravid, we're going to start seeing some signs and maybe some basking and maybe some eggs. I should keep a mind on this. And, of course, then I'm like, "And there's a dungs pipe on for sale over here." God damn it. So, it's like... I have to, like, again, I'm going to ask you to take my wallet and hide it from me. So, I'm really hoping Nick has those. And, if Nick has roughy eggs by the time he gets here, like, I'll start punching people for that voucher. I mean, I'm sorry, but you're just going to feel really bad. Oh, y'all. Oh, my God. Aaron, we're going to move, but he spent all his damn money on the voucher. He told us we're going to get it. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, it would be bad. Yeah, so it should be a great time. I mean, basically, the way I put it is this. It's basically... It's basically a snake nerd barbecue. It's what it is, you know? It's freaking much. Yeah. So, if you are into reptiles at all, I know that I have people contact me all the time that are just kind of getting into carpets and, you know, they have a few snakes and whatnot. They may, you know, they listen to the show or whatever, and, you know, you'd be surprised on what other people keep, you know? I mean, just because we all keep carpets doesn't mean we don't keep other things. I know down in Southern Carpet Fest, there was a lot of not just carpet python people. There was royal python people. There was chondro people. There was venomous, you know? I mean, so it's not just about the carpets, but it is a good opportunity that if you're interested in carpets to definitely be able to... Yeah, I just saw that. To definitely rub shoulders with some of the top breeders and keepers. For some reason, we're lucky here on the East Coast that we have a lot of the... It seems to be like a haven for Morelia people here on the West, on the East Coast. You know, Merrill is kind of like the capital of Morelia town. Yeah. And, you know, just moving up into PA in Jersey and New York, there's a lot of people as well. So... It's nothing. I'm just reading. I said the magic word, apparently, and KJ is losing his mind. And the magic word, ladies and gentlemen, is "done" this python. And... You guys have done this python. I'm not telling. It's mine, maybe. I don't know yet. You guys have done this python. It's just a crazy looking water python. No, it's a freakin' macluts python with an owse now. I mean, that's all it is. So, but I want it. So... It's kind of like Imbracado with me. It's just a coastal carpet. It's a funny living coastal, you're like, but it's not. Yes. It's so much more andro. Yeah, it's so much differenter. It's one of those things where it's like drooling. So... You know, let me put it this way, KJ. It was a pair. I wouldn't even be mentioning it because it would be coming to me. It's one lone animal, so I'm not sure yet. But if you really want it... So, you found a lone duns python yourself? A lone duns python. An adult lone duns python. From a legitimate source? Yes. You even called the person and talked to them. Oh, shit. I know. Man. I'm crazy. And you're waiting? Why? I mean, how much is it? Is it a crazy price? No, it's like $300, $400. That's it? I know. Oh, man. Wow. Because there's only one. One. And it's a male. And it's an adult. And when the hell am I ever going to find a female? Or if I just sit and I wait and... And if I just sit and wait, maybe Nick in a few years will have done pythons. Babies. And I can get a pair. For not $300. But you can have a chance to recreate. Because finding it is the one thing, but also the recreation of it is the second thing. You know, it's really cool hunting down your white whale. But then the next step is making more. Like I love my roughies. Absolutely do. You're going to, like the one day when I have rough eggs in the incubator, that's when I'm going to lose my goddamn mind. And the same way it's going to be with you in Inbracata. It's going to be, you're going to have an awesome day when you finally pick up your pair of Inbracata. But you're going to be even better day when you had your first clutch of Inbracata. Oh, hell yeah. Because then it's done, man. What else is left? Yeah. And let's say find a new carpet python somewhere. It's kind of like, you know. Oh, and Kelly. I mean, well, no, what I'm saying is that hopefully by that point, I would have, I would have bred all the subspecies of carpet python. And this is like, I told you, this is one of the reasons I'm not really, like, I need more diamond pythons. Well, need and want are too interchangeable words in my opinion, but I need more diamond pythons. I have personally transported several reduced pattern diamond pythons to your house. And I'm waiting for them. I'm just kind of sitting and waiting and watching. And when you start producing reduced pattern diamonds, I will be at your door. So that is what we're going for. Yeah, I mean, diamond, you know, I was just talking to Bill about this the other day. Diamond pythons are one of those things that are going to be a little bit tricky to breed. Because they don't breed the same way that, you know, the winter breeders breed. You know, diamonds are a spring breeder. So is it crazy to think that I'm a little nervous about breeding spring breeder carpets? Because maybe you've never done it before, have you? Just because I've never experienced it. You know what I mean? Like, I've read all about it and I can talk about it, but I've never done it. So it's, it's, it's completely different when you're, you know what I mean? I'm like, I feel like those, you know, beginning stages of, do I put the veil with the female? Do I, do I put the depth of this? Do I, what do I do? Did I do it too early? Did I screw it up? You know, I mean, that's one of the things that I absolutely love about the whole carpet python complex is that, you know, just because you like one subspecies, then you have another subspecies that's, you know, completely different. And even the breeding wise is completely different. So, you know, to, to approach, you know, it's the same snake, but it's, it's different to me is, is one of the main things that I love about them. So I'm looking forward to that immensely. I'm not sure Bill Priest Diamond python. Well, he had, I think, I think his, I think his might be a pure diamond male to a female 75 percenter. And now I don't want it anymore. No, I don't know. No, you ruined it. You had me, Bill, until Eric said things and now you have ruined it. You put a percentage on it. Yeah, yeah, you said the magic words, which are, you know, not pure. So, and I'm not diamond. So now I'm done. Yeah. What if he labels on this diamond pythons, then you won't know. You never do that. No, no, no, no, never. Absolutely not. All right, so. Now you're suspect. The, the, yeah, the, so that takes care of the carpet fest stuff. So let's say, do you want to do, do you want to talk about the issue in Maine or do you want to talk about your hila monster? Why don't you talk about that? Let me hit the hila. I know that probably everybody's seen this on their Facebook page out in Arizona. Looks like a young woman killed a hila monster with a screwdriver. Put it right through that poor animal's head. What I kind of wanted to touch on is obviously everybody is frustrated and upset by this kind of stuff. And we see it all the time. And I absolutely despise this kind of stuff, especially for an animal that number one is native to where you live. So you know, you should know what's around you and what's dangerous and what's not. And if anybody ever told you that a hila monster was dangerous or aggressive, they're a lying sack of shit. It's just the way it is. Unfortunately, you're dealing with people who are afraid and do not understand what they're looking at. And act rashly. And it's unfortunate. I mean, and I like to kind of take it, strip it down away from the whole reptile thing. Because at the end of the day, if I take away that it's a reptile, if I take away that it's venomous, if I take away that it can be somewhat scary, at the end of the day, you shoved a screwdriver through an animal's head and ended its life. Because it was wandering in its natural habitat, which happened to be somewhere where either you were or near where you live. And that to me is absolutely disgusting. And I kind of really hate the one thing I absolutely despise is the double standard to come with it. I don't care if it's a snake. I don't care if it's a lizard. I don't care if it's a dog. I don't care if it's a cat. You still killed an animal with a screwdriver. And I totally believe that anybody who does that kind of stuff should be taken in for some kind of animal cruelty or something like that. I mean this kind of harkens back to the girls who set that gopher tortoise on fire in Florida getting like probation. It's like, are you serious? If somebody had done that to any kind of mammal, we would be losing our damn minds. But I'm not even going to try to touch on that because we could talk so I was blue in the face. It's just this stuff is horrible. And I would very much hope that somebody has reported this to the Humane Society in Arizona, and they are efficient wildlife because it is a federally protected species. And I hope that they do take it seriously and that this person is looking at it even trouble. The one thing I kind of don't want us to do is get into the petty bullshit that always comes with this kind of crap. Especially because this is a hila monster. So the first thing is going to get thrown back and everybody faces that it's a venomous animal. So getting into an internet fight with somebody is probably not the best way to handle this stuff, nor doing the whole like let's make this person famous and sharing everything all over the place. You know, that's one thing to do with it. The best thing to do is just report it to the authorities and hopefully it will be dealt with. But I'm just saying, watch out for yourselves, especially if you're going to try to enter in in a stupid debate with some internet people because that's just a losing battle. And you will come off as somebody who really just doesn't care or something like that. So it said it sucks. I wish it didn't happen. It was a beautiful animal and it did not deserve to die like that. So, and I hope this person gets either a hefty fine or even looks at some kind of a jail time thing because if we could just stop with this whole crap of, you know, I don't care if it was a reptile, it was still an animal that was killed with a screwdriver. So that's it and rent. I'm good. Yeah, I'm with you there. I mean, absolutely. Yeah, it's kind of a I was talking about earlier, I was talking to Rob about the fact that, you know, people have this weird image of reptiles that even when they love animals, they still look at reptiles as like the ew type of thing. So, yeah, there's the numerous times where people are like, Oh, black snake was moving through my yard. So I killed it with a nail gun. It's like you just killed an animal with a nail gun. Like we delete everything that says it was a snake in my yard. You just killed an animal with a nail gun. It's so weird how people considered monsters. It's like you did that. Because people have this weird idea of what animals, I mean, because let's face it, my wife makes fun of me all the time. For like, if there's a bug that's on the wall or something, it's like I throw it in a deli cup and take it outside and put it outside, you know, as opposed to somebody getting a shoe and smashing it. You know, it's like you either value all life or, you know, most people that I know, it's like they pick and choose. Like this animal means nothing because it's just, it's, you know, it's not, it's not the same as like a dog or something like that. But, yeah, I get called the hypocrite because I feed rodents to my snakes. I don't feed live rodents to my snakes because I don't want a live rodent to have to go through all the stuff that would come from being hunted in a small cage. I opt for animals that are euthanized humanely, and I only buy from USDA certified food, people who breed for food, rodents food, all to be inspected by USDA. And it's like that's what a hard to do. Yes, I've worked in animal laboratories and stuff like that, where we did, there were involved in experiments with certain animals ranging from rats, mice, fish, to cats and dogs. I worked in all those kinds of things. And, you know, the value, any type of animal life below another, and of course I eat steak all the damn time, it's, it's, it's horrible. Now, I would hope and pray that every animal that has to give its life is given is given, is euthanized humanely. It's quick, it's fast, and they feel as little pain as humanly possible. You stab an animal with a screwdriver several times, and then you put one through a tent. And because it was wandering in its native habitat, that is just disgusting to me. Nobody was in danger. I'm not saying like, you know, I know people will definitely say that they're afraid. I know if you're in Indonesia or, you know, in some cobras somewhere, and you need to save somebody cool, lapitetal. But this was a hila monster walking around. It could easily have been defeated by a bucket. I mean, it's like, you got to be freaking kidding me. You did it because it was there, and you have something wrong with your brain. I mean, that's what it's got to be down to. It's like, you got to stop. People have got to be doing this whole, like, oh man, ew, thank God you killed it. It's like, you got to stop. You got to take it down to the bare bones of it is this person just killed an animal with a screwdriver, a drill, saws off. It's like, are you freaking kidding me? And yes, all the things I've just named were pictures of things I have seen till reptiles. It's like, you got to be freaking kidding me. Yeah. Yeah, it's a, I don't know. It's a crazy, crazy situation. Sure. It is going to stop. And unfortunately, I guarantee you, dozens of rappers have been, like, going into freaking online debates over this bullshit all freaking day. Well, here's the thing that I would say. I think when it comes to educating people, I think that we kind of, this is just my perception in my little world that I live in, is that I think, well, let me put it on me. Okay, so that I'm not talking about just people in general. I think that when it comes to spreading the word about, you know, you take things like rattlesnake ground up and such, you know, it's like, I think we do a shitty job as far as explaining to people what that's really about. And I'll give you a story is that one of the, one of my assistants at work, she used to live in Texas, and she was under the assumption that at that, that sweet water Texas rattlesnake ground up that the rattlesnakes weren't hurt, and that it was a good thing, and that it was education. So, just, just think of, hold on, just think about this for a second in terms of your average person. Your average person isn't going to go, well your average person isn't going to go to one of these events, you know what I mean? They're just going to look and listen and think what the people are being told, and maybe they don't look into it, maybe they, obviously, you know, the rattlesnake ground up people aren't going to promote their event by showing you chopping off the head of a rattlesnake, you know what I'm saying? So you would never really know that unless you went to the event, well when I showed her pictures of what was actually going on there, she was blown away, she couldn't believe it, she was sick to her stomach, because here all these years she's thinking she's, you know, that this event that's happening in her backyard is kind of like this great thing, and really, the reality of it is that it's not, you know. So, I guess my point is that maybe we should spend less time fighting with each other about bullshit and more about spreading the word and getting the word out to people so that they understand that, you know, why we love the animals that we love, you know. I mean, next week I'm slated to do my first talk in front of kids about snakes, you know. I just figured that, you know, I talked about it for a while, but it's definitely something that I wanted to do because I think that when I was a young kid, and I first saw my first snake and I held it and, you know, people talked about it, you know, how fascinated I was, so I want to pay forward, you know. I want to keep that going, and, yeah, it's time and, you know, you don't get paid for it and all that kind of stuff, but ultimately, I think, you know, if you can change, you know, one kid's view of just wildlife in general, I think it's a good thing. So, you know, I basically look at it as, like, it's time to put up or shut up, type of thing. And, you know, especially with today, with the legislation we face, I mean, we were going to talk about this thing that's happening in Maine and U.S. Arc is going to be going through it. I think the, let's see, the, they have a public meeting on Friday, April 1st, 930, and they're taking comments until tomorrow, I believe, which is March 30th. Yes, it is, yes it is, yeah. Okay, so I posted up a link, but you can go to the U.S. Arc page, you can, you know, check out what you have to do, basically write a comment. The thing of it is that Maine is, you know, we, we, these tropical snakes are definitely not going to survive in Maine. I mean, I wouldn't survive outside in Maine. You know, you got to, like, are you flipping kidding me? I really doubt they're going to be that invasive to Maine. Yeah. So, any place where a moose is, a goddamn python cannot survive. Like, it's like, that's really what we got to go with. And, no, no, you got to be kidding me. I'm done now. My brain hurts. We waited until this part of the end, so that, you know. But basically, this is applying to all animal species that are non-native to Maine. That means fish birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and invertebrates. Invertebrates, invertebrates. Yeah, everything. Invertebrates. Invertebrates. Invertebrates. Damn it. So, which, which is weird because Maine is so big on, like, horses and stuff. And, like, would they get caught up in this shit, too? That's a good question. Find me a pony that's native to Maine. Go ahead. I'll wait. So, they have, like, these three categories that they're putting stuff in. And, I guess, the three categories will be severely restricted and will include all species, not on the very limited unrestricted list. The current unrestricted list includes only a few species that can be owned without permits or regulation. Which is weird, because I heard somebody talking about how you can have a lloma python, which probably, what, they top out at, like, six feet. But you can have a black head, which probably pops out at, like, ten feet. I've heard of this kind of stuff happening. Like, I've heard that, um, on the list of New York's animals that you're not allowed to have, that, like, it's almost like the person they were consulting with to try to get certain ones ruled off or, I added the list of not being allowed to own. Like, he left some out because those were ones he worked with. It's like, uh, I don't say scrubs are not allowed in New York, New Jersey, some of that. Um, but all of python's, which gets much bigger than, like, Annabar scrubs are totally cool. Um, firms and some of that, I forget the exact story of it, but it's almost like, you wonder where they get some of these, like, animals to add to the list. Because it is almost like someone said, alright, lloma python, you should add to the list, but not black heads, I work with black heads, black heads are cool. So it's like, really? Yeah. But, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of insane, um, what's going on, uh, you know, just an idea, um, here's something too that they're thrown out there. So category two and three species have yet to be listed, but by default, all species not on the unrestricted list must be in one of these categories. Even category two, two and three proposals are extremely overreaching. For instance, a minimum of $250,000 liability insurance for category three and a million dollars for category two. Um, imagine required liability insurance for owning a Greek tortoise. I guess Greek tortoise must be in one. Um, well, I mean, I, I, speaking as an insurance man, for a moment, um, you, I don't know what they want their own separate liability policies for the animals, or can you extend liability from homeowners policies? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah. The dumb question. Oh, and yeah. Listen, man, that's like, uh, you know, if I ask you what the cost of milk was at the Karen time, are you going to know that? I didn't bought it. Not the retail price, the cost. Oh, I'll give a shit. Came out the cow. Well, I can't. It's like, I'm sorry, we're not bringing our adult lives into Morellia fights on radio. Um, listen to this. In order to even obtain a permit to keep category three, which is the lowest level species, the permit applicant must be an exhibitor, a rehabilitator, laboratory registered with the United States. The United States Department of Agriculture, a credit accredited research facility or an individual with extensive demonstrated experience with the care and husbandry of the species for which a permit is requested. Animals can be added to the list simply because they may live for more than 10 years. The list may include all turtles and tortoises, common lizard species, most snakes, um, majority of people will not be able to eat the qualifications for category three animals. Forget about category one and two. Category one will be a ban list. So, yeah, there's a lot of important things. Yeah, it sounds a lot like a menagerie permit that we have in Pennsylvania, where in order to obtain a menagerie permit, you have to be an exhibitor, have extensive knowledge of the animal, be a rehabilitation, blah, blah, blah. The menagerie permit pretty much allows you to get any animal except for, uh, Raptors, because they have their own permitted system for the Raptors down here. Right, but yeah, that's a lot like a menagerie permit, but, you know, Pennsylvania is trying to restrict you from owning tigers. Maine is trying to restrict you from owning a tortoise, a tiny one, a non endangered one. Yeah, well, I think there's this kind of like, well, for one, I'll say this. If you haven't sent off the letter or the email or contacted or helped in any way, then you need to get off your ass and do it. I sent mine the other day. I mean, it's as simple as, I mean, it's as simple as copy and paste and, you know, add a few sentences in and send it off. I mean, if your hobby isn't worth that, then what do you even do it for? Like, I mean, come on. And don't give me the bullshit of I don't live in Maine because it is only a hop skip and a jump from it being a main issue to being a Pennsylvania issue to being a Texas issue to being a United States issue. So you should give a rat that no matter where this kind of talk is happening because it is scary talk. And what they're telling you is, I can tell you right now that if you want a million dollar liability policy per animal. I'm out of business. I'll I'd have to get rid of everybody because you're looking at a substantial amount of money that's about $1,000 a year. And I'm just speaking, I'm just talking top my head off of quoting towards a business policy for general liability million dollars close to a grant. Per animal, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it's not, if it's not, you're still paying a grand. That you shouldn't have to be tortoise. Yeah. Yeah, kind of. Also, that is if you can find an insurance company that will write you. Right. I tried to look into my own insurance for rogue when I first started. It's impossible. No insurance company would they will laugh at you and hang up the phone. If you try to ensure your animal breeding business. Oh, by the way, they're snakes. You might be able to get a farm policy, but. You know, again, you're looking at it way more money than you ever think possible. So, no, no, no, no, no. No, if you keep any kind of animal. Send the letter, do whatever you got to do, get it done. Don't sit on your ass. Yeah. I think, I think, I think one of the things I don't know if you caught this or you didn't catch it, but Kevin McCurley kind of put up a. I did. It's, it's, it's pretty long, but, you know, it kind of, it brings up some good points. And one of the things that I think that he brought up and I guess we'll tie this in and. The thing that he brought up was the fact of like we post things on Facebook that are just retarded and stupid. I mean, you know, whether it's bite pictures, whether it's, you know, you know, feeding, feeding pictures. Yeah. What you were, I was poking on Facebook, you were tagged in a video last week where it was somebody feeding a Burmese pie, feeding a puppy to a Burmese python. You know, when I saw that, first of all, I don't even know how I get tagged. I'm noticing more and more. I'm going to have to be more selective on the friends. Because I'm getting pictures like it's just like left and right, all these crazy, like I'm getting tagged and shit. Anyway, I, I click on that and I'm watching it and I see the dog in there with the snake and I'm like, wait a minute. Does this guy think I said, does this guy think that they're going to be friends? Like, is this guy this stupid? You got to be kidding me. And you know that the pose that they get right before they strike. And I'm like, oh man, it's going to happen. And it's like, why would you put that on Facebook? It's a video of a puppy getting bit in the face and wrapped up by a Burm. What kind of sick fuck are you? Um, person who put the puppy in the cage, second off person who filmed it, third off person who put it on Facebook. So I, I'm seeing it that you were tagged in it. I reported the douchebag and put it up on Facebook and got that shit removed. So good. But, and I've told this for numerous years of people, especially if you're new, getting into the thing, do not post a bite picture. Do not post a picture of a bite, no matter what it is. How bad it is. How cool you think it is. It's not fucking cool, you idiot. Um, no bite pictures. I would, if any bite picture ever showed up on the big ooh, we got deleted. Well, guess what? You're going to love the new rule. I don't have to. I love the new rule. Did you see it? Yeah. Yeah. So here's the, here's the new rule for Morel, you pick of the week. Uh, basically in light of what's kind of going on. Um, you know, we're no longer going to have to, uh, you know, allow negative light to be put on our hobby with feeding or snake bite pics, um, in the group. Um, I think that, uh, those, those type of pictures, uh, you know, just give ammunition to the people that are trying to keep us from owning these animals. So we're not going to do it. And if you do it, um, well, you'll get a warning and then you'll be banned. And you won't be in the group anymore. So that's just now and, uh, just so everybody knows, bands happen so freaking easy. It's ridiculous. Um, we don't, we don't really fuck around with the pig of the week. Post your pictures. Be nice. Put everything you want out there. There's no for sale ads. And, uh, guys, I don't want to hear it that I deleted your for sale ad and upset you. I do not give a shit. I am not going to hunt you down to ask you to take down your dam for sale ad. I'm just going to delete it. And if you get it, I get it. You post up. I will be the first person to comment that I deleted it because it's not allowed. And if you continue to fight me on it, I don't care. I will ban you. That's how it works. Eric has to stop me from banning people. Yeah. Don't appeal to me. So I want to feel the my better judgment. It won't work. So when it comes to. My pictures. God damn it, bill. I was on a roll. Anyway, when it comes to. My pictures, we don't want to see it. I know that there have been. Honestly, I have even been. I've even done that. I posted pictures of like my macalot eating a chick. Because I'm like, I've never fed anything a chicken. Hey, he ate it. So. But you got to get away from this stuff because not a lot of people were always going to be seen as the creepy guys who feed other animals to their pets. And it's cruel and we're horrible and blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just don't do it. We won't know how to have it on the thing of the week. And you should really think about not doing it on your own personal Facebook page. So. Yeah, the. Morel, et cetera is where I first saw Jason and posted up just basically what. What we just said. And I thought, man, that's a good idea. So we kind of, you know, put the same idea. So I would say if you're an admin of a group, I would do the same. You know, I mean, how we portray ourselves to the general public and the people that see all these things on Facebook, you know, in posts and everything. Really makes a difference in how people perceive what we're doing. So. Don't be stupid, man. Don't. Don't know. It's just, I mean. Don't be fucking dumb. Yeah. So. So, if, like I said, if I'm sorry, somebody messaged me at the, when I was saying that, but if you have not submitted, you know, your feedback or your email, then definitely go over to us arc.org. Look for the legislation for Maine. It's also on Moralia, Python, radio, Facebook page. You can follow the link because it's only a matter of time before they come for the stuff that you like to. I mean, it's always that idea that, yeah, I mean, sure, they don't, they don't, they're not coming for stuff that I keep, but that's only a matter of time. So, the idea that, you know, I don't know, the idea that, that somehow you're immune to it is just silly. Yeah. So. Yeah, you're not. No one is. So it's, it's one of those things where, um, even if I wasn't a reptile keeper, I'd kind of be all about this stuff because I don't ever like people telling me what to do or telling somebody else what to do. Even if, when it's harmless, you know, it, me keeping tortoises in my basement isn't hurting anybody at all. So what, why, why, why do I have to go get a bunch of stuff and why are you going to try to rip them away from me just because you're uncomfortable with it or, you know, you're, you're trying to get a buck paid or something like that. It's, it's not right. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, all right. So that kind of, um, I think the only other couple of things that I had was, um, I don't know, I posted the picture. I showed you this. Um, just as kind of a tease. Um, but, um, Oliver from Morelia morphology. Um, he posted up his updated picture of his albino tiger. Um, 2014. Dude. Oh, man, I can't wait. Oh, good. Albino tigers. Um, man. Uh, you know, the back with it just being, um, it's basically an orange strike down its back, which is so sweet. You know what I was thinking about with a tiger jag too, you know, when you have a tiger jag and you have that really wide bald back. You know, um, and really reduce patterns on the side. So just like even making a tiger jag albino. Uh, you know, you'd have pretty much like that orange, solid back going down. Dude, that would be, uh, pretty sweet. Um, it would be. Uh, I'm very excited to see, like, so Oliver used, um, bail and tiger stock, uh, for, um, which would be similar to, like, the, uh, '07 red tiger stuff, um, that, that, that he used. Um, well, actually, I'm assuming he got it from Paul and that's what Paul used. So I'm hoping that, that the citrus tiger stuff is more contrast or, you know, uh, is, is more orange, I guess. I don't know how the color is going to be affected, but I'm so excited to see what it looks like. And then to have those stripes all line up, now imagine when you're getting that, that stripe, the saddles are striped out now, uh, down, you know, you have, like, what's, quote, unquote, a super tiger type of look. Um, like a perfectly striped, you know, tiger, that's going to look sick, man. That's just going to look sick. So, um, I don't know, pretty excited about that. And, uh, if you're excited about it, uh, I'm going to have plenty of heads. Uh, this, this common season, uh, should be hatching out sometime at the, uh, end of April, right around when I'm at, uh, the southern carpet fest. It should be, uh, time, it should be working out well with others. That's another reason I should say here. Um, can I have a female from your previous clutch? Ha ha ha ha. You're crazy. I couldn't hurt that. Oh, man. Uh, another, uh, cool carpet that I saw, I don't know if people saw this, but, um, from, um, um, Paul Harris at UK Python, he posted up a caramel type tiger zebra jag. And I know a lot of people were, um, sort of, uh, avoiding the whole, uh, tiger. Uh, I mean, the tiger and the zebra combination, but, um, I thought it was pretty cool. But the way it looks, um, I'm assuming that the thing that makes it the tiger is the striping that goes down the sides. Um, but, uh, let me see, I'm going to post it over in the, uh, MP chat as we sit here and we chat about these things. I should put up a picture of the, uh, carpet fest shirt, right? There's the idea. No, we should, we should, we should get that carpet fest shirt. Yeah. Um, if anybody wants any kind of hard alcohol for carpet fest, let me know because I'm pretty sure I already have it on my bar. If not, I will add it to the collection. Um, or you can bring it and then leave it here. So that'll work too. That's, that's the caramel zebra tiger thing, right? Yeah. Here was a, that was the animal. Just so everybody knows that was what Eric always wanted out of a zebra tiger. Jag, like that's what he all, that's all he ever prayed for out of his constant breeding of a zebra jag to a tiger. So this is that animal and to see Eric proven right once again. Um, yeah. I remember when everybody fought me on that and they said, no, no, he wouldn't do that. Yeah. Dude, I was, I was. It's on an episode. No. I, I did nothing but support you. I mean, that's what I did. That's true. But I remember a certain group. No, it's not true. I bashed you. Oh God. I was, I laid into you. But fact that you've proven right again, pisses me off. Like son of a bitch. God damn it. Can Owen win once for the law of God? I'm trying to find the picture. Wait, maybe it's in our group chat, but I'm going to send it over and see. Um, there it is. And this is for those who don't know, I'm posting this over in the NPR chat. This is the albino tiger albino tiger. That's available this season. Such a cool looking animal. But Owen has first pick. Damn right. God damn right. Actually, that's a pretty long list that I have already. Um, for people interested. That is, that is cool. I love how you put that in writing. I love how you put that in the chat in writing. That's great. Yeah. Uh, just in case anybody was wondering. But, um. Tuckers. Uh, let's see. Um, what else do we got? Um. What else do we talk about tonight? I'm going to post over in the chat. Uh. Do. Do. This is the link to the website page about the history of the jags that I was talking about earlier so that people can check that. Right. Um. Yeah. Um. Can you put the thing for Maine to post that up in there too? Yep. We'll do. Uh. In the meantime. Um. I can find it. Here we go. Uh. Do. Share. Share. Copy link. There we go. As I'm talking out loud as. Do, do, do, do, do, do. It's just one of those things where it's good that we kind of get that out there. If you are in the Murley Python radio chat on Facebook. Uh, the link is there. Please go over and do that. If you want to be a part of the Murley Python radio Facebook chat, send a PM to Eric on Facebook and you will gladly add you to it. Uh, most of the time, if we talk about any pictures or other animals, they will post it in the chat and then we're going to post them real quick on the Murley Python radio Facebook page. So you should go over and give that a like to just so you can kind of keep track of all the things we're talking about. Cause sometimes we forget that we're, you know, doing radio as opposed to television and you guys can't see the crap that we're seeing. So, yeah, that's the best way to kind of also it's good for the podcast. This is we don't have to go through an entire talking thread just to see the pictures. It's all over there on the Facebook page. So, yep. Okay. Yeah, I just posted up the link. This is the start of my. Keep on. Yeah, right. Keeping and breeding pitch. Um, so yeah, you can go to ebmurley.com or I just posted the links over there. So there's the links to all that. Um, so yeah, I mean, uh, I'm not seeing any locks. I went in and checked as we were talking. To see if I seen any actions between the albino and exanic, but nothing. They're laying together though. So who knows. We'll see. Um, maybe. Let's see. What else do we got? Do we got anything else that we have to head on? Uh, again, if you're going to try to come out the carpet fest, drop one of us a line. If you just show up at my house, I will throw something at you. He will. I will. He'll do it. He's crazy. Well, we got the, uh, we got the links. Actually, I post that in the chat as well. The links for the actual event. Right. That way if you are interested in going to the event. You'll know where. And also, if you really do want to come to the event and you're looking for hotels and accommodations, uh, my zip code is. Oh, God damn it. One nine five. Oh eight. First of all, Pennsylvania. Look it up there. There's a few motels, which, um, if you enjoy cockroaches as a catalax or good. Um, and then there's some nicer hotels, but they're not directly in town. You kind of have to go 20 minutes down the road. Um, and, uh, but they're very nice, very affordable and not too far away. I know there are a few people staying in the holiday in. In Morgantown, which is about 30, 40 minutes away as we're bill stayed last time. Um, so, uh, we can definitely have accommodations there for you guys. If you are trying to come out here and don't have a ride, please post something up in the event page because who knows it could be somebody in your area or somebody who's driving through who can go grab you. Um, try to set something up. If you want to come, you can totally make it. I guarantee you just got to kind of put it out there. Um, and please try to make it. If you've not been to one, uh, they're awesome. You should definitely come if you've been to one and kind of like went to one of the first ones and then kind of quit. Please come back. We've gotten better. Oh, it's kind of there. So, uh, it would be a fun time. And of course you're rubbing elbows with some bigger breeders in the United States. And this is how you really set up a lot of stuff. And you talk to some good people, some good friends and, uh, you know, you make the connections. Um, I would not be surprised if Nick goes home with, you know, several deals to send several trios through the eastern part of the country. Um, so definitely cool. Right. Um, okay. Uh, let's see. Anything else? No, that's it. I guess we'll wrap up. Uh, caught up. I'm still not sure what we got lined up for next week. So stay tuned for that. Um, I know that, uh, I was in contact. I kind of held off because I know Gavin Bedford was going to come on in April, but he had to move it to, uh, May because he is around the world traveling. So not going to hold him back from that. But, uh, yeah. So, uh, he'll be coming on at some point to talk about is Oh, and Pelly project, uh, which would be pretty cool. Uh, you know, dream snake for most, even the people in Australia, it's still a dream snake. So, uh, should definitely be, uh, interesting to talk to him about that and, uh, go in and find in the animals and, uh, you know, getting them, uh, established in captivity and, uh, um. Details on Southern carp and fast. We have that as well. Um, we do. So, uh, yeah. So that'll be coming up at some point. Um, we'll probably try to squeeze in a Morelia, et cetera show and then get some more carpet python breeders on. We need a condro show. We haven't had one of them in a while. So, uh, so yeah, a lot of stuff should be coming up. Uh, some cool, cool stuff. Um, as far as morelia python radio, you can check out our website at Morelia python radio.com. If you have any questions or comments, you can send them to info at Morelia python radio. Um, it's probably the best way to get in touch with us unless you personally message us on Facebook, either Owen or myself. But, uh, I know a lot of sometimes people leave messages on our page and we might not see them right away. But, uh, if you really want to get in touch with us, probably the info at Morelia python radio is the best way. Um, if you have, uh, you know, an idea for a show, guest, uh, topic you want to hear about, maybe you have a question. I know we were supposed to get to the questions that, uh, reptile report, uh, had for us for the, uh, the show, but we'll have to do that on another Me and you show at some point. But, uh, I thought, I thought that would be cool, but we didn't get to it. So, um, let's see, uh, so you can like us on Facebook. We have a Facebook page, Mariah Python radio. Uh, we're on Twitter. Uh, you can follow us there. Uh, if you want to listen to past episodes, uh, you can go to, uh, blog talk radio slash Mariah python radio.com and check it out there. You can subscribe on iTunes, which is probably the easiest way. Everybody has that podcast app. Uh, you know, just go right there. Subscribe. Uh, and you'll get it every Tuesday night. I guess it goes through as soon as the show's done, probably like 20 minutes later. Um, let's see. Uh, so that's kind of it. As far as Mariah Python radio goes, um, and, you know, we talked about the Carpet Fest. So you got three to choose from. If you're anywhere in the areas, may April 30th is the Southern Carpet Fest. Uh, down in Arlington, Texas. If you're interested in that, uh, you can message, uh, Bill Stiegel or, um, uh, uh, you can, uh, it's at his house. So I think they're just trying to get a head count. I'll post up the link on both pages. There's also a Carpet Fest, uh, Facebook page, uh, that you can, uh, check out and follow all the info and all the different Carpet Fest. Um, I know you can get in touch with, uh, Evan, uh, Browder as well. Uh, he'll be able to, uh, to help you out, um, as far as the Southern Carpet Fest goes. The Southwest, I can't even keep these straight anymore, right? Five years ago, we were just having, uh, the Southwest Carpet Fest is on May 20th and they're also doing something on May 21st. Uh, so I believe, um, I guess you can get in touch with Terrell and who was, uh, who was the other guy? I forget who they said about. Oh, one sec. Oh boy, Travis Jones. Travis Jones. There we go. Right. Uh, so you can get in contact with him. Then the Northeast is, uh, like we said, May 21st. That's the Saturday. It's in Birdsboro, Pennsylvania. Contact me in Owen for more info, uh, and make sure you go over to the page and let us know if you're coming. Uh, we got a, uh, uh, uh, you know, an event scheduled, so if you're coming, you know, accept it, and that way we'll have a good idea of what the headcount's gonna be. Um, as far as, uh, myself, uh, E.B. Moralia.com, like we talked about earlier, go check out the website and post it up the links that you can check out. Um, the keeping and the breeding stuff is, like I said, it's a, it's a work in progress. So eventually, uh, you know, I chip away at it little by little and, you know, I let it out there. Maybe I shouldn't let it out because it's not completely finished, but I figure why not, you know, and, uh, get people's feedback and maybe it'll point me in the right direction. The idea is to get, uh, you know, new keepers and stuff that are coming in that they sort of have, uh, something that they can refer to. And, uh, also if you purchase an animal for me, you can see exactly what I do. And as far as how I keep my carpet pythons. Um, uh, I will be having animals, uh, that I'll be posting up. That'll be available real soon. Uh, a lot of tiger stuff, uh, citrus tiger stuff, um, some carmels and caramel jags, and then, you know, uh, some head albino stuff. So if you're interested in any of that, you know, stay tuned. And I believe, I, I, uh, I forgot to mention this, but I believe that, uh, I did hit on two sun glows, um, because they're starting to get their color to where they're not like a solid pink and, uh, they're really cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. So I think I got two of those, which I'm pretty stoked about. Um, so yeah, that's that. Um, and if you have any questions or comments or anything related to my carpet pythons, you can always contact me at eric@ebmeralia.com. I'm also have a Facebook page. I have an Instagram and Twitter. So any of those spots you can follow me. Um, that's all I got. I have no Twitter. There will be no following of Owen. Anyway, um, you can go to rogue-reptiles on facebook.com. Look us up there. You can also go to rogue-reptiles.com. Feel the latest happenings with, uh, there we have the updated breeding journal on, uh, the website. Uh, it has up to dates on all the pairings that we're going through. And the latest news I have for them. So, uh, if you see any pairing that you might be interested in, uh, drop us a line if you want to be put on the waitlist. Um, we should be getting the first group of hatchlings probably in the next two weeks. Um, so I'm excited about that. And then the other clutch, my super caramels will be hatching the weekend before carpet fest. So I may have hexling super caramels and super caramel jags at carpet fest for everybody to Google. Um, so that'll be cool. I know, right? Um, so let's, uh, if you can go to there, we have no babies available. There is nothing I am capped. I got nothing for you guys. Um, except maybe I think one or two from 2013. Anyway, uh, they're all up on the website. If you want to know for sale as far as shows, I will maybe be attending the April 30th Hamburg reptile show. Uh, maybe not. I may be somewhere else. Who knows? I don't know. I keep that all open the air for everybody. So, um, that's well, that's all I got for that. Um, but, uh, we will be having some babies hatching and we'll be having lots of stuff for you guys. I'll keep you all posted. Um, so that's all I got. And that's all we got. So what we will say is good night, everybody. And we are going to catch everybody back here for a some more more rally python radio next week. Good night. Hey, Chad Brown here. You may remember me at the linebacker in the NFL, where's a reptile breeder and their own approach out. I've been hurt since I was a boy and I've dedicated my life to advancing the industry and educating the community about the importance of reptile. I also love to encourage the joy of breeding and keeping reptiles as a hobbyist, which is why my partner Robin and Markham and I created the reptile report. The reptile report is our online news aggregation site bringing the most up-to-date discussions from the reptile world. Visit the reptile report dot com every day to stay on top of latest reptile news and information. 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Tonight it's just Owen and I doing what we do best....Talking carpet pythons. We have a variety of topics to hit on for this episode.