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2016 Morelia Python Radio calendar contest.
In this episode we will be revealing the winners of the 2016 Morelia Python Radio calenda contest.
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Also, for that, we are thankful, and you may are choosing of a winner, very difficult. Horribly difficult. It was a terrible mistake to have the entire, et cetera, category. That was dumb. Because it was like, we had the top four, maybe five pictures that we thought were really good, and then we narrowed them down to the winner. When we got to the et cetera category, we had to pick between ten pictures because of what everybody submitted. And it's like, choosing between a blackface, white lip, a goldface, white lip, a ring python, a macclots python, and all these various scrubs. It's like, damn it. Not only that, there was geckos, there was a modern short tail. Man, just tons of cool stuff, but how it's going to break down is we're going to go down the list category by category. And we're going to post the winners over on Mayor Python radio, Facebook page. So if you haven't like that page, then please go over and do so. And you can follow along as we post up the winners. And if you are a winner, sit tight, and sometimes this week I'll be contacting you to get all your info, your address, and all that, so we can get the calendar off to you. As soon as it's finished, it should take about maybe two weeks or so once everything is put together and should get it just in time for the new year. I'm sure we're going to have extras for sale, just of course. And if you're not a winner, you can definitely reach out to us and we can get you one. I'm not sure what the price is going to be because I haven't seen $100. That's if you want the Owen sign version of it. It's gold plated. But basically what we do is if you have an animal in the calendar, of course, we send you one for free because it's kind of like a thank you for submitting as well as to get to show it off. And then if you didn't win or if you didn't enter, you can guys can still buy this and it's a really cool kick-ass calendar. We try to make it as kick-ass as possible every year and it comes through. And of course everybody's got digital stuff nowadays and they're like, "I don't really need a calendar," but I have the NPR calendar hanging in my snake room. And it has the dates of all the snakeshows I have to go do plus any observation I see with my snakes, like when it comes to breathing, I just write it down on the calendar because it's right there at that time. So it's all good with that. And again, it's pretty freaking kick-ass. So if you want one after the show, definitely reach out to myself or Eric will put you in the list. They're not that expensive. So it's like 20 bucks, yeah, it's like that. So let us know, we'll get you hooked up, send you out the calendar and you can do whatever the hell you want with it. And because it's not breathing, we can send it outside of the United States. So if you were in Australia or the UK or some random desert and some horrible potter in there, I don't think I'm on the globe, we can send you a calendar. Yeah, definitely reach out to us for that too. And yeah, it's just one of the things we do as part of the show. I love it. I like doing it every year. The only bitch of it is that I can't submit pictures. The tradition, I guess, so to speak, started from back in the MP days, they used to have a calendar contest over there on the forum. And since it kind of dwindled down with people going over there, we thought that it would be a good idea just to keep that tradition going, so to speak, and work it into the show. That's why we're doing it. We don't really gain anything out of it. We don't gain anything out of it. We gain nothing. It's something cool to freeze new life into it. Plus, how do you know you're not going to have one hanging up in your snake room? And so I'm just going to walk over and be like, "What the hell kind of an animal is that?" I mean, I brought my cousin into my snake room the one month that it was, Mirelia of the Year, and it was that chondro from Dave D. And he was like, "What is this animal? It's gorgeous." I'm like, "That's a chondro. You are not prepared for that yet." But it's like that just that one picture is something that you get something you don't expect. But yeah, it's a cool thing. Well, that's the other part of it, too. I mean, if you are, you know, we picked the 12 categories, and then we basically pick one from that category that we call Mirelia of the Year. And we basically make up this kind of like little trophy type of thing, which you can know which. I don't know why I haven't said David his, but it's here and I've got to bend it. That's why. And not that it means anything, it's not worth anything. It is a worthless award. It means nothing. No one else will recognize it outside of us. Yeah. When you bring it to reptile shows, you can put it on top of the display of the animal that won, whatever. Please God do that. I would love to see that picture. So it's like, go ahead, do whatever the hell you want with it. You can use it as a coaster for all we care, but you get the trophy. And it is a cool thing. Plus the other side of it is that you're brought on next year to help us vote and. Decide who's in the calendar for the following year. Right. You get to vote. So basically it's the way the way the voting works. So everybody knows is that we, you know, we kind of look at all the pictures that were submitted. We sort of take a, do a semi-finalist round, so to speak. Now we're down. And they get put into a category. We pick, basically it's five from each category. And then each one of us vote. If for some reason that we all pick different ones, what just happened, then we just get somebody else to decide which is usually. We have a tiebreaker. Yeah. We usually get one of the NPR crew to jump in and pick out of those three, which one they like the best. So which we didn't have this time, which was, which was. Oh my God. No, no, we all sort of were on the same page. So yeah, David's going to be going in pretty soon. So yeah, and before we get going with that, we also are waiting for KJ is going to call in and tell us about the Southern car profess for a few minutes and how that went down. But what were you going to say? What was the year? What? I mean, the year that we had Julie vote with us, wasn't that the year like where we had like four or five that needed to go and be decided by third parties, because nobody figured no one could agree on anything. So, yeah, we had so many judges. It just made it so difficult. You know what I mean? Cause when you had like five judges, it was like, okay, well, you got five judges and we all picked the thing. Yeah. So we just talked about this, right? We learned, you know, we learned through our mistakes, kind of. Yeah. So, and sometimes, yeah, sometimes you're what I picked one, sometimes it didn't, you know, so just there's what it is. But that's how it goes. And I think looking at the winners from this year, I think it's going to be a pretty cool counter. So, I like it. I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh. But we lost somebody. So, yeah, and after we're done that, after we're done that, we're going to, I got KJ on the phone right now. So, I'm going to click them on, but after we're done that, we're going to, you know, me and Owen, we were hanging out this weekend. And basically, we were talking about some things with the show. And, you know, we got five more episodes for the year, and then we take our break. And yeah, not the break, not the dreaded break. Yeah. So, starting next year, we're going for some changes, a little bit of changes, I guess, you know, nothing, nothing crazy. But, so stay tuned, and you'll get to hear about those. But, without further ado, let's get KJ on here, and let's talk about the carpets. KJ, is that you? Hey, man, can you hear me? Yes, I can. How's it going? This is my snake room. You're in your snake room? Okay, that's a good place to be, I guess, if you're calling on. Yeah. Can't wait to see who I lost to this year. Well, well, let's be honest. Anyway, we refused to tell you while you're on the phone with us, let's put it that way. But, um, so how was carpet fest? Let us know how it would go, how did, like, did your house get burned down? Did someone steal an ollifite on? What happened? What, what, what? So. Oh, God, we lost him. He's still there, I think. You there? I don't know. Yeah. What happened with what? Yes, what happened with the carpet fest? The suspense is killing me. No, I get it was great. It was a lot of fun, but only four people showed up. It was, uh, me, Dave Pearson, Shawna Kelly, and, uh, Scott Rubien. But I mean, Scott flew down, uh, I think it was Thursday and we hung out. Don't, we went harping and all that before the fest. And, uh, Saturday rolled around and just Noah showed up. Hey, it's, it's, it's for, I think what our first year, I think we only had like 10 people or if that. Yeah. You know, you got a bill. It's like next year shoot for five people and then it's an improvement. Oh, yeah. I mean, I, I was, I was totally expecting this for the first year. Plus the more you hub and we're in a Florida really isn't that big. It's me and like three other people. I could get Eric, but you don't count it as a half a person. So I'm. Yeah, me and, uh, me and Bill Stiekel were supposed to fly down, but we both had to work. So we couldn't, we couldn't make it. So, uh, which kind of sucks because my wife is down there in Florida and she left on Saturday. So, yeah, I thought you were supposed to come down, but apparently not. Yeah. Yeah. That, the real world problems get in the way of snake fun all the damn time. Yeah. That's a shame. That needs to be safe. It does. We should all quit our jobs and, you know, be poor. Anyway. Well, that's cool. So what did you find? Did you find anything cool? I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. I was just going to be a little bit nervous. It's not a sashwash down there. It's called a... Oh, what is going on there? Hello? Hello? There you are. You got me? Yeah, I got you. Yeah, it's that time of year where just there's nothing out and what you are finding is mostly dead on the road. I mean, last week I was finding pygmies left and right. I found an Eastern daughter back and some other stuff. But it's just that time of year, man. Everything goes away. Oh, wow. I did notice that a lot of your pictures seemed to a lot of the road-kill thing. But did you find anything alive? I don't think his phone is alive. Is that dead on the side of the road? Where are you? Are you going to a tunnel or something or what? He's holding up a mag cloth fight on trying to get better reception. He's wrestling the...what do you call it? Yeah. Apatora. Yeah, the Apatora's got the phone. Yeah. You guys hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, we got you. Yeah. All right. Yeah, we found the yellow red. We found the yellow red that's due to the cross the road before we were able to get our hands on it. Oh, you saw me a second. Yeah, we got a live green water snake. Almost alive-banded, and that was... Oh, and we got a straight crepe fish snake, and that was the only live animal we found. And a couple deer here and there, but that's it. The deer don't count. No. So it's... But no, that sounds awesome. I mean, who wouldn't want to go herping involved with Florida? I know Scott was looking forward to it. And he was also looking forward to checking out your collection. So, I know he's got the Lyasis bug, and I'm pretty sure you just pushed him over that cliff. Oh, yeah. I pushed him over that, and I also got him wanting to see more pythons and some other stuff. Yep. Good job. You've done what you were supposed to do. I've been bugging him to get water pythons to the past a year and a half. And you see, the problem is that you tell him to get water pythons, and then he sees my water pythons and it like is counteractive. You're like, "They're great." And then like mine flip out and shit and bite, and he's like, "Maybe not." So it's like... We have to keep him away from mine for like a month and then he'll get him. So, yeah. That's funny. When I went to Owens this weekend, we were looking at his stuff. We're going through. I'm looking at the olives. I said, "Oh, yeah. Let me check out the..." I think you have a small water python too, right, Owen? I have a boy that is about a year old and I have a girl that's about... Yeah. So the boy, I'm like, "Oh, yeah. That's pretty cool." I said, "Let's check out the female." And the tub is covered with newspaper on the front. And I'm like, "Oh, well, that's peculiar." And you open up the tub and it's like... Boom! It slides out. Yeah. Boy, we... We don't open that tub. Yeah. No. So... All right, K.J. Everything else you want to hit on? No. I think that's it. I'm talking to Dave right now. We're working on planning the one for next year. So once we get all the details hammered out on that, I'll let everyone know. Perfect. Excellent. I deem this carpet best in success. And next year, it's just going to be better. Like, go, keep moving forward until it's awesome. So... That's the plan, man. Great. All right. Perfect. All right. It's great talking to you guys. I'm going to hang up so I can listen to the show now. Have fun. And don't be too disappointed with our pick. All right. Thank you, K.J. We'll see you soon. I can't remember, Davey. Yeah. I'm going to have to look at the things real quick. All right. I believe... If K.J. Actually, one one or not, I don't know either. Let's get David on the line and get this going. David, is that you? I think so. Can you hear me? Wow. Well, at least we're brimming with confidence. Yeah. Everybody's got a long awkward pull. Yeah. It doesn't sound any different when you click someone on. It sounds just like I was listening. I wasn't sure if I was in the queue. No, it doesn't. You have to pay extra for somebody to do things. So, you know, we're not for a cheap show. So... Low budget. Yeah, low budget. We can't afford the tones. So... Well, yeah. So what's going on, man? Not a whole lot. Just started pairing up some condros in the past few weeks. Got some locks. Nice. Cool. Yeah. Nothing too exciting. Yeah. The snake that I actually won the competition with last year is kind of on the fritz. He had some kind of infection. So I actually sent him to the vet thinking he was going to die. He had a necropsy don to make sure he didn't have something really bad wrong with him, though it spread to my other snakes. But he arrived at the vet, safe and sound. So they said, "You want to try to treat him?" So I said, "Yeah." And they gave him some antibiotics. And I guess before I sent him there, he looked all kinked up. Yeah. Not like a spinal kink, like he was traumatized or anything. Like his muscles were contracting funny and he was having trouble perching. But they gave him antibiotics and he seems to be better now. He just doesn't want to eat. So hopefully he bounces back. Hopefully, but how about that stuff? Yeah. Let's kind of look at these in for issues. If they happen, they're going to happen now. Yeah, I probably just turned a couple hundred people off of keeping chondros, but I know that that. I do that every episode. Yeah, 50 of them and I don't have too many problems. I think when you have a bunch of any types of snakes, you're going to have issues. Oh yeah. That's the value. When you have a huge, well, not even a huge collection, but if you have more than 10 snakes, you're going to see something. It's crazy to think that if you had 12 people living in a house that no one got sick ever, it's just not how it works. Yeah. Cool. Cool. All right. Are you ready to get into this? What did you think? Do it. Would you find it hard to pick winners here? Yeah. There are a lot of awesome pictures this year. It seemed like there was good participation. It was pretty hard. Yeah. It was. Okay. So the way we'll do this is I'll just announce the category. You guys can comment on the winner if you'd like. And then Owen, you're going to post it over on the Facebook page. So the first page and in the messenger. So everybody will get it. All right. Yeah. Way to be a good co-host. All right. One of the IJ category, which we didn't have that many entries on the IJ. No love for the IJs, except the Die Hard IJ people. But it was cool that one of the people was a snake that is an offspring to a snake that I produced. So it was pretty cool. But the winner to this one was our good friend, Chris Silemi. And his picture was the one with the mom. Owen, the clutch of eggs with the head popping out. Internal incubation style. That's a double wammo in your world, Owen. Yeah. I gave me an IJ. And I gave you an IJ. I gave you an IJ. I gave you an IJ. Internal incubation. I don't know what to do with this picture. That's why I won in my opinion. It's done to buy it. So there you go. But I like this picture because it's natural mom. I mean, that's classic IJ colors. And you can see the one baby pipping out. I love that kind of stuff. So yeah. That's a cool shot. What do you think? I don't know if I'll ever have the balls to do maternal incubation. So it's fun to look at someone else doing it. And it's a good picture too. I think it's in focus. The mother's head's in focus. And the baby that's pipping out of the egg. That's part of the picture's in focus. So it's a solid shot of a snake doing something cool. Yeah. And that's kind of cool to be looking at that. And yeah. It's obviously a picture of it in a nest box or something along those lines. So it kind of looks more naturalistic too, which of course we did. So it's a cool shot all around. So it's kind of something you hope to see in a cage at some point of your own. So. Yeah. The one that was hard for me in this category is because I kind of really dug the maternal incubation thing. But the exanic granite man, that snake is not. Yeah, come on. That one thing. See, you know, I'm a sucker for exanics. So, you know, having that animal in there already I'm done. So, but I still voted for this one because it was just that much cooler. So. All right. So there you go. Congratulations, Chris. I don't have my clapping sound effects to give you. Damn it. What are you doing here? Yeah. All right. Next one was the Darwin category. Yeah. This was another hard one for me. There's a particular Darwin in here that was submitted. That's like, I don't know, called a chocolate Darwin or whatever, but that's. Yeah, that's pretty nice. There was a cool one from an albino on eggs. Yeah. I like that one. And two other cool ones. But the winner is Ryan Young and his shot of the Darwin. I think to me that shows one of the coolest things about the Darwin is the way that its head pattern is. And like you see those scales and really good shot of, you know, the colors and everything that come through on that. So, you know, it's an awesome, awesome shot. It is. And it's just the colors coming off that animal is gorgeous. And it's almost like people don't, people put too much stock in the albino stuff compared to Darwin's because it's just the color of a normal Darwin. It's awesome. So, I do love that. Yeah. That's a beautiful snake. It has really nice contrast. And one of the things that I look for in photography and when I take pictures is sharpness and lighting. And I think that picture has excellent sharpness and lighting. It's just a great looking shot. Yeah. Yeah. It almost looks real. You know, I mean, it's, I don't have, I have one pure Darwin non albino. And I hope that God her colors look like this when she gets older. But I mean, that's just a stellar looking animal and I can, I love the head coloration and pattern. And that's just awesome to me. So. Yeah. Very cool. Alright, next category up is jungles. This was, I had three picks in, actually four picks in this one. I was going back and forth with the, let's see. The winner is Eugene Morelia. I don't think that's his real name, but. I don't think, either. If it is, that is a mate coincidence. But Eugene's shot of the jungle that's on the, I guess it's like on a leaf or something like that is, it's pretty cool. You know, really nice, yellow and black going on. Don't see a whole lot of smudging on the animal, so to speak. It's a really nice jungle. And it's really cool. I can dig it that it's on top of this giant ass leaf or something like that because that adds to the whole, you made it more natural. You took it outside, you threw it on top of a leaf and you took a picture. It took you all about five minutes, but just that thing made it look more naturalistic, made it look more wild, and it also had the animal pop out. So, I love that picture. Yeah, I think this was the hardest category for me to pick a winner from. Yeah. There are several really good shops. All the snakes are beautiful. The other one that I really liked was Scott Ipers, the black and white jungle. Oh, yeah. One back and forth quite a bit between those two. It's hard. It's not easy. Yeah, that was a tough one for sure. No doubt. Let's see. Next one up is the coastal category. And the winner of this one is, if I got her name, Taylor Winram. Basically, what she has is a caramel coastal and it's sitting on top of mom's coils. I just think that that shot is just an awesome shot. I don't know. It's just like the contrast between what the mother looks like and what the offspring looks like. I think it was a cool shot. It looks like it was an outside shot and the tongue just sort of sticking out somewhat. So, very cool. Congrats. There. Definitely. We all know I'm a sucker for caramel. You've done a sucker for caramel and I'm a sucker for coastal. So, those things combined. Done. That's a gorgeous looking boy. Great contrast. Excellent color with the differentiation between his back color and his caramel color. Plus, him sitting on his mom is like, you can see the variations of scale size. You know that's a much bigger animal than him that he's resting on top of. And, of course, the tongue shot, just a little tiny fork tongue kind of coming out there, is like every time you start taking pictures of your snakes, if you can get them with the tongue sticking out, you're like, oh, yay. Like, I don't care how many pictures you've taken of this animal or anything else. The second the tongue is out, you're like, it's like it's something special to you or something like that. Like, he did a trick. So, it's even just cooler that way. And obviously, again, it's an outdoor shot. So, you got more natural light hitting him and it's cool. It's a cool contrast. Yeah. Yeah, I really like the difference in the coloration between the mom and her offspring. And I'm not an expert on carpet pythons. It's the only difference that that's a caramel. And she's a regular coastal or is that a jaguar, too? No, that's just a straight caramel. That's just a straight caramel. Okay. And it depends on what his mom. His mom's got a lot of black on him on her. So, I don't know, but of course, carmels can have black on her. I would have to see the rest of her. I think she's just a regular coastal. I think so, too. But that means the dad was the caramel. So, either way, he can just rest them on mom. So, a lot of mom and baby shots already. Yeah. Through now. Actually, it does mom. Mom. Mom. She must be in England somewhere else. Yeah. Not here. I think she might be in Australia. Oh, okay. Yeah. Even cooler. So, this next category was tough for me. There was three shots that I really dig. And it's the diamond category. You know that last one with that black diamond? On the yellow leaf, I thought was really, really, really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, in Scott's picture, his wild diamond is wild, too. The one, you know. Yeah. But, the winner is Greg Heim, his reduced pattern diamond. It's probably one of my all-time favorite snakes ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you ever see those things in person, which I do every time I go to Eric's, you want one. That's it. I mean, you want a reduced pattern diamond. I mean, they're just gorgeous. And sitting on that log. I mean, I know we had that really dark black wild looking one, but that's just a cool animal. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. They're recessive. They still don't know yet. Give two of them? Some people think it's up. Yeah. Yeah. Some people think it's polymorphic. It's hats popped out of, like, similar to tigers. You know, the more you put it with them, more reduced. You keep reducing the pattern, so to speak. Because he bred this one here, I believe, was bred from a reduced pattern. Diamond to a diamond that threw the original, well, not the original, but his original. Yeah. What do you call it? Reduced pattern diamond. So. And this is an extreme version. I've seen some that, you know, some people are calling reduced pattern and they look. They look cool, but this is an extreme. They don't look this cool. And I know he's raising them up. That animal pictured, I believe, is a female, correct? Yeah. So he's raising them up and he will eventually breed a reduced pattern to a reduced pattern, which, God only knows what that thing is going to look like. But it would be cool to start seeing more and more of these because I can totally dig the busy pattern down the spine and around the tail. But just the bald, you know, patternless sides is awesome. I love that animal so much. God, we just breed yours already so I can take like three. Yeah. So yeah, that was a tough one for me because, you know, you look at the classic diamond, the black and white that Eugene had. I think that's an incredible shot. I just love the contra between it, but, you know, I don't know. There you go. Reduced pattern. They're all very different. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's so cool about diamonds. I just really dig them. Did this animal win previously when it was like a hatchling? I don't remember if that was Greg or not. No. It's a different one. Ah. Okay. Yeah. Good day. Okay. All right. So, another next category is inland carpets. Another hard one. Yeah, this is kind of tough. You know, inlands are definitely, probably in my opinion, the most difficult carpet python photograph and to, you know, to really capture their colors. It's just hard to get that blue to come out and couple really cool shots. But the winner. Oh, I did it too early quick. Name the winner. Stewart. Stewart Robson from over, I believe, is in the UK, right? Oh, yeah. You sent him a t-shirt. Yeah. He is. Yes, he is. Yes. It's a cool shot. It's really the head shot. And you can see those red scales coming in down on the side there. Yes. I think the black background makes pop. Yeah. It's pretty. What do you think? All right. The black background makes it pop. It's, you're looking at an animal that, if border lines almost examine coloration, but this is how it naturally looks. I mean, they're gorgeous and they keep this color until they get older. And they're next on my list. I swear to God, I will get them this year. So, um, but that's just a gorgeous looking animal. And like I said, having the black that kind of bleeds into the black on the animal makes it stand out just that much more. So, it's a very cool shot. And it is just a head, but having that little coil of the body kind of just adds to it. And it makes it just that much cooler. So, I, I dig it. And that's what I want in an inland. So, um, take my money. So. Somebody take his money. Yep. I'm not. You're a fan of the. It's great. Go ahead. Am I a fan of the inland? Yeah. Yeah, actually after I got my rough scale pythons getting back into snakes, I was really close to getting a pair of inlands, but I decided to get a second pair of rough scales. But I was moments away from pulling the trigger. Ah. If my hand was warmer, I'd probably get them. Yeah. They got a rough scale to let you. Yeah. I mean, you were going to go get like a cheeseburger and then you went and got filet mignon. I mean, I really cannot, you know, fault you for this. Well, these were really rare at the time too. Yeah. Yeah. They were only a couple pairs produced at that time or clutches. But I really like this shot. It's really sharp. It's well lit. It's one of the sharpest shots of the whole bunch. I like the background, how the animal's body fades into the background. Yeah. It's a beautiful shot. Yeah. Very cool. Good job, Stuart. Okay. Next up, I was laughing at something. I don't know what. No, because... Good game is walking through. Get the hell out of here. Hey, how are you doing? It's like... Hey, how are you doing? Get out of here. Got you. Get out of here. Oh. The show just went downhill fast. Yes. That's a problem. I keep broadcasting from the bar and he keeps wandering around to get weird. So... That's a problem. Mute, meet, catch. You goddamn it. No. What the hell? All right. Anyway. Recycle it now. Thank you. The next category is "Breadles." I'm saying that wrong again. I forgot how Scott told us to say it. Do you remember Owen? Brett. All right. No, Brett. Oh, damn it. We've ruined it. Oh, yeah. Damn. Our Philly accent. I do know we had to say "Brisven." Not "Brisven." Otherwise, you're going to smack us. Yeah. So, again, there's a couple cool shots in this one, particularly two, that it went back and forth with. However, the one that really I thought was an awesome shot just in the idea of having it is Scott Eapershot of the hatchlings hatching out of the egg. I just thought that that was really cool to think that... There you go. To think that those gray and black babies will turn into beautiful red and brick red and cream and just the heads coming out. Just reminds me of Jurassic Park. I just think that's an awesome shot. Congratulations, Scott. It's one of those things that I've seen baby bread like hatch and it's like... You're exactly the same. These are just basic babies. You have no idea what these things are going to turn out to. I love that. I also love the picture. Anytime I see babies coming all out of the egg, it's amazing to me. I love the picture because you got four babies in the shot, all hatching out. Who doesn't love seeing pictures that babies hatch? I absolutely love the shot. Yeah, hatching pics are great. Makes you feel good. Not knowing much about brettles pythons, I probably wouldn't have guessed that that's what those were because they're so gray and black. Yeah. You look exactly like... They do. After a few sheds, they're brick red and cream color. It is kind of a wild twist to them, but they're such cool as little babies. I'm hoping to get more this year. Very cool. Now, we got Scott over there in the chat room, so we're going to throw this question out real quick. Are these ones that he hatched or are these ones that... Oh, they're hypos. They're hypos. Are these ones that he hatched? I guess he did hatch them then. They didn't find them in the wild. Was this a wild shot? These are wild hypos you found. He's got a new line. Oh, that's awesome. That's good to know. Okay. Next category is... Now, earlier me and Owen were talking about how difficult this was because we sort of took some older categories away that we did in the past and we sort of combined some. And Bolins just seemed to be the one to stay because it's a lot of people look at it as the pinnacle of Python keeping, the majestic serpent, whatever else that they have called them. Some people keep them. A lot of people that keep them, once they start keeping them, they become the snake that they want to work with the most. There was a lot of cool Bolin shots. To me, this was another hard category, but I don't think that there was anything cool than seeing a wild caught or I shouldn't say wild caught a wild Bolinite photograph from our good friend Ari, I just think that's an awesome shot. So, he is the winner. Yes. I guess he deserves the win since he had to climb the mountains in Pop's New Guinea in order to, you know, find this beautiful snake. So, congratulations to Ari. It's a cool looking snake anyway. And the fact that we know that that thing is somewhere sitting on a mountain, like just being a Bolins is like currently right now. That's awesome. I mean, and it's, and like you said, Ari had to go climb a mountain. So, it's like, it's that much cooler that this thing is, that's a good enough shot to be thrown in any reptile book, in my opinion, or National Geographic or something like that. So, the fact that it's on, it's been submitted as a calendar competition is like even cooler. So, it definitely wins and the gorgeous animals. I'll never keep them, but they're gorgeous animals. Yeah. It's a beautiful shot, like you guys said, and makes you think about all the shit he had to go through to get that shot. Probably a 20 hour plane ride and then four or five days of hiking. Maybe it took them a couple weeks to actually find one. Yeah. And look how beat up she looks. Yeah. It doesn't look, doesn't look happy, doesn't look friendly, doesn't look well, so. Well, it just goes to show you that, at least for me, when I see wild snakes like this, and I guess like I'm looking at how thin she kind of is on the side that, you know, how much we overfeed our snakes, you know, in captivity, but cool shot nonetheless. So, ah, now it's your category, Dave. So, it's a condro category. Now, there is one snake in here that I particularly thought was just the coolest looking, coolest looking one, but, you know, there was, there was a lot of cool condro shots, and it looks like the winner was Sean Beck. I would say, what would you say this is, Dave, mite phase, melanistic, blue, is that what's going on here or something or other? Yeah, I'd call it melanistic. I don't love the term mite phase. Oh, yeah. That's right. No one forgot. No one likes the term. I forgot. Why do we call it that? That is a horrible thing. Yeah, I'm trying to remember, I might, I think maybe Jason Stevens produced the snake, not a hundred percent sure on that, but yeah, I really like the shot. Yeah. So, look at that eye. The way it's positioned in the frame. Yeah. Sharp. That is, that is cool. And it's the, the, the contrast between the yellow around his jaw and his overall color and the black. It's just a cool snake. Those are, that, that, that animal right there is one of the ones that you have, um, and in your collection that when people come over, their eyes are immediately drawn to it. It's like the, uh, melanistic ones that were at Tinley Park that you and I saw and it was like, you're walking down the aisle and you're like, ooh, and immediately you see them from like across the aisle and you like fly over to them because they're just that cool. So it's one of those animals that draws you in. So yeah, I really like Chad's coffee house too. Mm hmm. Yeah. Right. Hello. Thank you. God. I think there are very many of those left. So it looks like he has at least three of them. Well, Chad is probably had luck breeding animals that I could only ever dream of like touching. So it's like, I imagine he will have success. So I'm kind of glad that so. From what I understand there pretty, you know, when we had Chuck Vogel on the show, he was talking about how difficult they are to, uh, to get them going, you know, um, because I guess there's, there's, you know, I find that when animals are not bred in captivity, you know, for generations and generations, you know, you'll see that with bread lie too, you know, uh, I think the albino is the same way, like Darwin's are, are could be tough, but I, I remember him talking about how difficult they were to get going, but man, they're beautiful snakes. Yeah. After that same thing from a few people, I've heard that because they're so mellow, it's really hard to get them going. I hate that. Yeah. And I have a 50% Kofi Al from Chuck that was bred to a blue line male from Rico, and he said that clutch was way easier for him to get started than pure Kofi Als. Oh, just that little re-urgence of something else. Yup. Interesting. Hm. Beautiful. Thank you. Okay. Here's your guys other category. Um, I thought there was also, this is, uh, this will be being next year. Next year is mine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be. Uh, no doubt. Oh. Um, well, you're going to have to buy from date because mine's not old enough. Oh, wow. Um, I'm not sure I'm going to breed any. Well, maybe not then. Right. Cause I'm hoping to get a few clutches of condros and I'm going to hold them back. And I don't want to overwhelm myself and these things will pain in the ass to get feeding. That's smart. See, I would have been stupid and kept breeding them. So good. Good job. You're better with me. Oh, it's been overwhelmed. So a lot of cool shots of rough scales heads, um, you know, which is one of the cool things about them, that big scale that they got in the middle of their head. Their eyes are always really, uh, really cool. But the winner is, uh, Jamie Corns from razor sharp reptiles. Uh, so I'm glad, uh, I, I'm sure that he's going to be glad that he picked up a pair of rough scales this year. So he could enter the contest since he's no longer a get go guy. He's now a state guy, officially he's out of the get go guys. So he can, he can come sit at the cool kid table. So I'm sure, I'm sure his hobbit will be happy. He got, he got that one from me. Yes. Yeah. I didn't pick that picture. I'm quick to interest, you know, but it's, it's funny because, um, it kind of happened to all in rapid succession. I, I had, I got my girl from Dave and then I get, then I just kept getting phone calls from bill from Jamie and they're all like, you know, David cool guy. I'm like, yeah, they're like, do you have rough skills? Yeah. And then all of a sudden it's like, I bought a pair. I bought a trio. I'm like, Jesus Christ. So it's like, it, it happened so quick, but I'm so happy that more and more people are getting into the species, especially guys like Jamie and bill because they just go full bore and they're, of course, they're gorgeous animals. And what I love about the picture is you have the full rough scale in the picture. You have is the big block head that they got and the colors and the cream colors that come in around the base. And it's just an awesome animal and the gray blue eye. It's, I mean, I'm going to go stare at mine for 20 minutes now to kind of detox. So it's, I love them. It's a great shot. You can see the killed scales on the bottom right of the picture. And like you said, the, the eye is kind of in the center, it's kind of the focal points where your eyes drawn. Yeah. I must mention though, Stuart, Stuart's picture because that's a phenomenal picture. I have to throw it out there. He's got the head shot down pretty much focused on the eye. It's just, that's incredible shot, but congratulations to Jamie. Okay, let's see, morphs, which was crazy about this category is we didn't get a whole lot of contributions for morphs. It's just kind of nuts, but I think we're submitting pictures and expecting us to put them in the categories that they fit in. Like I'm going to throw up my exam thick granite and he'll be in IJs and in morphs that didn't work like that. Yeah. Tell us what you're entering. So I, it, but we still got some really good ones in morphs and I did really like the one who ended up winning. So, oh man, I don't know if I can pronounce this name. You're going to help me out here. If you must try and if you fail, we'll all hear it. Oh man. Wow. As a, Dave, I guess, whatever, yeah, he has a caramel zebra. What I will say about this caramel zebra because I have quite a few is that this has a really, really reduced pattern on this guy, a guy or girl, I don't know if it's female or male. Does it say? No. Okay. It just really stood out to me. Typically what I've seen in some caramel zebras, especially from the first or, you know, because mine came from the first ones that came into the US, they were kind of, you know, as they age, they don't necessarily aren't the best, you know, examples of the morph or what it can be, similar to what you saw on zebras when they first came over, but the more that they were bred with, you know, really nice bloodlines. That changed very quickly and I think that's what you're seeing here. Just really, really reduced. It's almost white, you know, like the yellow is kind of missing. So congrats, caramel zebra. That's the winner. So, what do you think, Alan? Thanks. It's a very cool animal and you know how I feel about much, but it's a very cool looking animal and it does clean up very nice. Like you said, it's almost like whitish and the pose that it has on the tree branch, you got the head, you got the coil, you even got a little bit of the solid white underbelly over there. And it's just a cool looking animal, it's a cool looking pose and they're pretty cool looking animals, the caramel zebras that does not mean I want one, but it's a cool looking animal, that is all I will say. So, that's a beautiful snake, it's a great contrast and it seems like a lot of carpet pythons have angry looking bunny rabbits on their heads. See, you know, now the problem is going to look at every carpet python and see an angry bunny rabbit. Thank you, David. So, but it's a beautiful snake and I really like the way it's positioned on the branch and I like the contrast of the branch too, the dark and the light goes well with the snake. Yeah. It does. Cool. There are some other good shots in this category too. I like the, the archiness of Michelle's shot with the snake wrapped around the lady's foot. The boot. Yeah. And another one that caught my eye is Eugene Morelli is shot just because of the white background. I don't know if you guys have ever tried to take a shot of a snake with a white background, but every time I try, it turns out great because I'm not getting enough light on the background. Yeah. I do when they turn out kind of yellowish, like ivory colored, yeah. Black is much easier. Yeah, that, and it's an albino, which to me is the coolest albino in the python world. So, but that's a nice example of a, just a straight albino carpet python. So very cool. All right, that brings us to the last category, the Morelliah, et cetera. This was the, the most submissions there is just a ton of cool shots and snakes and geckos and all kinds of stuff that were, were put into this. And was tough for me because I, I, I sort of went between slowly two came to my top since we didn't have Morelliah in brokata category, which is blasphemy as far as I'm concerned, Owen. You know, we're not going to have this conversation on air. We will keep, we will have these fights where we always have them off air. But so I was torn between picking, you know, two of my, my must have Morelliah, well, maybe one's not Morelli anymore. So with that said, I threw in as many Lyasas as possible to grow Owen's world upside down. So I threw me out there, it was Chad Gray's ring python, which is gorgeous on the background that was on. Then he had Scott's gold face wet lip, which you know that the gold face wet lips are, you know, close to my heart. And then he had every single freaking form of Lyasas you could think of. The only thing was missing was Saboo, so it's like, God damn it. So but I am very glad with what we chose because it is something that is so much cooler for what it is than just by the, the picture is really cool, but then what it is makes it even cooler. Yeah, so the winner of this category is from Wooster, his Morelliah, well, I guess it's not Morelli anymore, right? The Owen Pelley python that's each shot and I guess it's sort of popping out of a rock crevice and its head sort of looks like it's camouflage to a rock crevice, just, just, I mean that snake is probably one of the most difficult to find in Australia, I think from what a lot of people, you don't see a lot of people posting up pictures of Owen Pelley's that they're finding in the wild. So I think that has to, to weigh into the decision of making that the, the winner. But tons of cool shots in this category, lots, so what do you think of it? It's just a cool looking snake, it's just, I mean we've seen small pictures of Owen Pelley, we've seen the babies, we've seen a few everything and, but this thing is just that much cooler, it's got a big python head on it that makes it just even better, because I love that stuff, but the color scheme on the thing, it's just a look it's giving you, it's like, if this were my animal and, you know, I had to go in for a cleaning, I'd really reconsider whether or not I wanted to go in that cage at that moment, because I mean that just looks like no, so, but it just, that, it makes it so much cooler, so I want Owen Pelley pythons now, so, that's a problem, so, yeah, I overlooked this one at first, because like you said, they're I think 14 or 15 different pictures in this category, so I was just scrolling through, scrolling through, I think I overlooked that one, because the snake's head looks like a rock, and it's sitting on the rock, that's the right, after I slowed down, looked at them again, what the hell is that, it's a crazy looking, the green and purple iridescence, and it's eyes look like they're made of rock, oh yeah, it's a sharp shot too, yeah, yeah, well, maybe sooner than you think Owen, they get relatively big, these guys, you know, but they're slender, they're not, you know, you're not going to have like a re-tick size body, but they get, they get some good size on them, but I can handle it, it'll be fine, I think I think another shot, another shot that I particularly liked was Scott's shot of the olive python, man, that's a cool shot, I really liked Scott, the other Scott's white lip, because you got the white lip, you got a head, you got the black head moving down to the black body, but then you had that coil that also showed off the gold sides that come up on a gold face white lip, so you got the full shot of a white lip python on a white background, it looked intense, but that's just me, it's just my white lip stuff, so yeah, any other shots stand out to you, Dave? Oh, yeah, there were a lot, you could almost make a folk calendar just with them earlier category, no kidding, I like the, I don't know if it's a boyga, like a brown tree snake type thing, that you can really submit it, that's a really good shot with this tongue sticking out, and there were some scrub pics that I really liked too, yeah, Scott had the one where, it was kind of just staring you down, that's a, that's a, that's a malleukin, that just, hey, something about malleukins, those red eyes that they have on their like nice gold scale, they're, I love malleukins, I need more malleukins, yeah, stop me, this is, this is what happens, every freaking calendar, I look through everybody else's stuff, and then I'm going to buy things, that's the whole purpose, my gamut, so what we do now is what we did today is we put the, all the winners together, and then we picked sort of the best of the best, that would, you know, entail the Morelia of the year, and the winner to that category is the Owen Pelly's Python, just simply because of what it is, you know, I mean, it really is, I guess, I guess now that it's moved out of Morelia, you know, but we still consider it, you know, part of the Morelia group, but that's one of those ones, it makes me think, you know, years ago, being on MP and thinking about how unobtainable a rough scale Python was, I mean, these are, these, these, you have a better chance to see in Bigfoot, but for some reason, some reason these, they were, they were produced in captivity and, you know, they made their way around, wherever they made their way from, and now they're here, and now people are working with them, and, you know, they're becoming more and more popular, and more people are appreciating them because they are basically a Brown Condro, and well, it's a Congress so cool, it's the fact that they're green, but these are brown, but they have the keeled scales and all that stuff, so it, what I'm saying is that it gives me hope that one day that we will at least see an Owen Pelly Python, you know, let alone keep, you know, I hold, I hold, I hold fast that one day I'll have Imbracata and Owen Pelly's, but until then, we'll have to live through, through the, through the pictures of the people are taken, so, what do you think, Owen? Well, it's one of those things where it's like, it's like, in exactly what you said, it was rough scales were myth, and what is even funnier is that you want to go to, like, at one point zebras were unobtainable unless you wanted to spend 30 grand, so it's like, eventually these animals, as long as they're somewhere in a collection someplace, they'll get to us eventually, it may take a long time, but you know what, I'm not going anywhere, so it's, eventually I will get there, what kills me is that you told me about that one, or I forget one of our guests who was like, oh, I read this book where they had Owen Pelly Python's in New Jersey, and they died, and they buried them, and it was like, oh, oh my soul. Oh, that's the, what was it, the stolen world, yeah, you know, yeah, he brought in a Pelly Python's, they were nervous because they were going to get caught, so they left him in a car, and they died, so they buried him in a fine baron. Yeah, the guy had him in his trunk, in New Jersey, and it was freezing out, so they left him in overnight, and they died, ugh, that hurts my heart, it's like, jesus, but it's like, it gives me hope that eventually something will get here legally, and that we can have it and all that stuff, so it'd be good, shit, man, I don't even care if it comes in in the zoo, if it's in a zoo, you know, yeah, it doesn't matter to me, but you know, it's not what you're going to do. How about you, Dave? What do you think? I think it's great, it's really cool that, not that long ago, these things were discovered, and they're really unique, like you said, they're really, I did some googling after I saw this picture, and I was looking at other pictures of them, full body shots, they're surprisingly thin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a big long caddy, five pounds or something, yeah, very scrub-esque, you know, very, very long lines of what you'd see in a scrub python, but, ugh, their head kind of reminds me of a rough scale python, yeah, it's a bit, the little scales, you know, the kind of comes up, and the cool thing about them is that they actually change colors during the night and during the day. I mean, I know that like, carpet pythons sort of go through this thing where, especially IJs do this a lot, if you go in and you look at their tub at night, they kind of have like this lavender hue about them or something, and it's really neat, but if you look, like, if you look in the one Australian python book, they have some pictures that show you the difference between, between the two, you know, and, and that's pretty neat that they, that they do that, so cool stuff, cool stuff, for sure. So there you go, there's the winners, congratulations to everybody, and thanks everybody for submitting your picks, and I guess, I think it will be an awesome calendar, you know, what do you guys think? I think so. I think it's going to be kick ass, so I can't wait to get mine, so cool. Yeah, they're a lot of awesome shots, it's going to be kick ass calendar. Nice, very cool, so I don't know, I guess, at this point, I don't know, Dave, if you want to keep hanging out with us, or, you know, if you have anything you want to hit on, or put out there, you know, feel free, it's up to you, I don't know, what do you guys can talk about? We're talking about stuff, talk about snakes, talk about pythons. Yeah, have you guys started pairing anything up, or do you wait? I chucked all my animals together, and I had a male maclot spice on, tried to kill the female maclot spice on, so they're no longer together. And I knew it was going to happen, too, I put them together, and they're both staring at each other, and I'm like, don't do it, and then I thought she bit him, because he is smaller? No, no, no, no, he bit her on the top of the head, and had her rap, so I'm like, now you're just being, you know, eyes are too big for your stomach, so after a dunk in the water bucket, they released each other, and I put them, separated them, so we'll try again in about a month or so, to put them together, but the carpets and everything else, the scrubs, the red mountain boas, they're all together, so, and I have seen, I have seen almost what I thought was combat, so I don't know about that one yet, so, may have an issue over there, so, did you reprope, did you reprope that female? I reprope there, came up girl, so, I don't know, it's one of those words, like, it could be an in-betweener, so, and I hate that, so, and the male is a proven male, so, yeah, yeah, maybe look at her sheds, do they shed sperm plugs, like, oh, yeah, oh, they do but she hasn't shed yet, she's kind of going into one, so I will definitely pay close attention to it, this is her first year, so, she could have just been, like, trying to get the hell away from this male, and they have calmed down, they have not decided to, there was no other fighting, and they are kind of curled up together, so I will give them probably another week, and then, we'll see how it rolls, but, if, 'cause I'll separate it and then reintroduce, and if they go back to combating, that's when we'll check again, so, and it, as we get closer to the actual season, season, the combat will kick up a little bit more, so, he'll give me a definitive answer, so, yeah, I don't put anything together until probably about the end of November, I'm glad, I, what I noticed here, this is probably a little bit different for you, well, 'cause you're probably, since you're farther out west, it's a little colder quicker, but, here, I noticed that what happens is, it gets cold, and it warms back up, and it gets cold, and it warms back up, and then it gets cold, and then it warms back up, and then it just gets freezing cold, and it's usually around the end of November, so, I started waiting until then, 'cause I tried to use the, you know, the outside temperature to sort of get my room down, 'cause what I do is basically turn all the heat off at night, so far my room has been down to 74, and I shoot for hitting 70, so, as soon as I hit 70, and everybody's all cleaned out, then I'll put them together, and usually, all the winter breeders is when I see, I see locks usually right away, at those taps, but, well, I haven't been dropping temps that far, I think I'm only down to about 79, or something like that at night time, so I won't be dropping further, but it is getting everybody used to everybody, plus, I stopped feeding before you did, so, yeah, you guys know anyone who's, go ahead, do you know anyone who breeds carpet pythons who's tried to do it in the summer? I've heard you guys say that that green tree pythons can breed you around, I was thinking maybe people have success with that just because they try, and maybe no one with carpet pythons has tried to breed them during the summer. I spoke to one breeder in Florida, Jen, she had carpet pythons breed in the summer, and then she had eggs, and the eggs hatched on like Christmas day, that's where she ended up having the eggs, but, she's down in Florida, and from what I, what she told me, she kind of just went with the temperatures that were outside, and kind of just tossed them together, and there you go, I think she had one clutch that hatched in October, you know, one hatched in December. My thoughts, when it comes to that, probably the one species, or I should say subspecies of carpet pythons that would probably do that would be IJs. I think that, I don't know, my thought with chondros and IJs is the fact that where they're from, the temperature sort of is pretty steady, and basically what separates breeding seasons is rainy season and a more rainy season, right? With carpet pythons, especially with things like, and this is just from my experience, I could, this could be total bullshit, but when I didn't cool, my carpet pythons down to get them down to, I took them to 75, and I had a horrible breeding year. I took them to 70, they bred. I tried 75 again, I had no success, so I think that, that cold really does trigger something with them. I also think that, I don't know, cycle feeding for me is a huge part of my carpets to go, and so I don't know. I mean, I thought about trying it outside of the time, I've seen people have locks. I don't know, is it wrong to think that, I mean, people have produced condors year round, right? Yeah, I think it happens occasionally. I don't know, I don't know how many people try, and what percentage of those people have success. I had a pair last year that I put together in December, and they bred throughout the summer. I probably saw them breeding 25 times, but they're still together and nothing's happened, so. Yeah, I think there's a time of year where you're much more likely to have success. Yeah, that would probably make sense. What just seems weird that if you, if you watch, if you watch Carpet Bithons and you work with all the different subspecies, what I found is that they sort of go in order. You know, IJs are always first, they don't need that much of a temp drop to breed. I mean, literally, you drop it down a few degrees and they're ready to go. I see I haven't bred them yet, but I would, from what I hear, Darwin's kind of fallen to that same category. I don't need as much of a drop. Jungle's and Coastal's, they sort of need to drop. And again, with diamonds, I mean, you know, diamonds, inlands, and bread lie, they seem to need that big temp drop. Yeah, they do. Mine are already in the side room and I'm holding them true at like 80 at nighttime, but that room gets really cold, so I wouldn't doubt it if they're getting lower. So, we'll see. Yeah. Cool stuff, for sure. Definitely. I love breeding season. I know we, we probably asked this on the show before Dave, but when you did rough scales, did you, did you have to do that drop down or is that, did they fall into the cookie cutter python breeding situation? Yeah, they had temperature, they have heat panels on one end of their cages. And I, if I remember right, I had the heat on 24/7. And then during the winter, I turned the panels off at night. My room didn't get very cold, but they're in a basement up against a cement wall. So, just by virtue of being next to that wall, they probably got pretty cold. I don't know how cold they got though. This, this year, breeding my contros have been opening my window up at night. And that seems to be getting them going more, because last year, I just let the room stay where it was. And I had four pairs together and I only saw two of the pairs breed, and one of those pairs I only saw breed once. I seem to be having a better start so far this year, cooling them down a little bit more. Right. Maybe, contros do need to be, cold. I don't know. I don't know. Well, I did the cycle feeding thing too. I think that makes a big difference. Yeah. I would be with emails a little bit more. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's, that's huge with, I think that's huge with Morelian General, I think. I don't know. I think age is a factor. And I don't think, I think our, our perceptions of weight and size is not as important as we think. I think age is more of a factor. And, you know, that, I think that feeding cycle thing tells them, okay, food is around. It's good to go. I got enough to, uh, reserve, you know, to produce these eggs. Let's do it. Yeah. How many, how many pairs are you guys going to put together and how many, in an ideal world, how many would you want to produce? You probably don't want them all to produce. Uh, it would be horrible. Um, uh, 27 pairings this year. Holy shit. Of everything. And that's, that's the cart and pythons. Oh, hold on. 27. Yes. That, that's everything. That's the cart and pythons. That's the maclox. That's the olives. That's the scrubs. That's the Amazon tree boas. That's the, the hell else. They're making red mountain boas and then my two pairs of corn snakes. So it's 27 reading pairs this year. Yes. So, yeah. Um, in an ideal world, not that much. I don't want that many of it. Um, we want to see Owen loses freaking mind. Um, 20 animals will have babies and I'll, I'll, I'll be panicking. Um, if I can get close to, if I can get over a hundred babies, I'll have a, I'll be good. So, because then that means I can take my time with raising them up and, you know, I still have enough babies to sell at shows and all of the stuff. And that's really all I really care about is that if I can go to shows and have babies to put on the tables and take my time with raising the animals up as well as selling them this way, things aren't immediately leaving once they're hatched. Uh, I'll be happy. So close to, if I can get close to a hundred babies of varying animals, I'm good. So, what percentage would that be? With 27 pairs, you probably only need five. It depends on, and it also depends on which females go because I have armpit pythons that'll drop 32 eggs, um, consistently. So if one of them, if two of them shake loose, I'm already at like 60 something eggs. So, um, I would like for, I would take a hit on who goes. Like I would like maybe if one of my big girls doesn't go, I would still like for some, I like variety. So I would take more females going but less eggs, if that makes sense. So, so yeah, you can offer more to the public and also I can get a more animals that I could show. I mean, if I had to sacrifice three carp of python pears to get the maclots and the olives to go, I'd do it immediately because I want them to breed over half the other crap I have. So, and if the Dominican Red Mountain bows don't go, I'm not going to cry. So, I hate those things. Not looking forward to the geckos or what? So, god, no, not again. So, you know, here's a question real quick. Why hasn't somebody stepped up to the plate and produced geckos or some kind of lizard in captive breeding situation as feeders? I know like people don't want to feed geckos and stuff, but I mean, if you could get, like, I don't know, what would it be like, day geckos or something? That's just super simple, super easy. They just produce, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, I just don't understand why people happen. I guess they just want everything to eat mice and rats, you know? It was something that I actually approached Jamie about back when he was with geckos. I said, if I send you like 12 house geckos, can you set them up and just breed them for me because they'll just breed like crazy? The problem is that they only have like one or two eggs, and then they have a couple months and they have one or two eggs, so it's not really consistent, but I was talking to him about it and he was going to do it, but then he kind of was like, no, I'm done with geckos. So, it's like crap. But people kind of have done that. I know some people who were breeding gnolls for actual pets, but then also have, you know, you're not pet quality and holes that they sell for feeders and things like that, but most of the geckos that are brought in, I think the big stigma about it is that most of the geckos that are brought in feeders are wild caught. And now you've basically just turned your entire litter of Dominican boas into wild caught baby boas because they're eating wild caught geckos. So, it's a little difficult. Yeah, but I don't think they produce enough young. No, they don't. Two, two eggs at a time. And I think four, eight clutches, they'd be expensive. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true. You'd have to have an entire room full of like those mini exo teras, and you'd have to have like breeding freeos in each one, and even then the amount of babies you'd get is nowhere near what you need. So, I guess that makes sense. I'm not a gecko expert by any stretch of demean. I just thought, man, you know, we have such problems with antiresia and some carpets, chondros, the Dominican Red Mountain Boas. I bet you they'd snatch up a gecko, like real quick, you know, like real quick. You're got to do it. I offered them all pinkies and they were all like, what the hell is this shit? I put a gecko in there. Several of them were so evil that they ripped the tail off the gecko, ate it, and then let the gecko live in their cage for like, you know, a week and then ate the gecko. So, it's like they see these things and it's like automatic. This equals food. So, I had no problems. Everybody, like I had four baby boas that ate the pinkies right off the bat, and they never saw the geckos. But after I introduced the geckos, everybody ate. And it was like, yeah, it was just like that. It was a clockwork. After about six or seven feetings of geckos, just taking a dead gecko and following it with the rodents, then everybody started eating those. So, once you get them rolling, there's really no stopping them, but it's that getting them rolling is where it's kind of annoying because a baby, a gnoll, is like a buck a piece. So, you buy like a hundred geckos and there's a hundred bucks right there. So, maybe frogs would work, frog fish with eggs. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's another idea. I don't know. It just seems like it would be, I don't know, maybe it would be easier to get these different species going, you know, because isn't it true that chondros would eat that in the wild anyway and then switch over to rodent-based diet when they grow. I mean, that's what carpets do, you know. Yep. So, yeah, I was eating pinky mice. No. Going up to a, to a, I think they might eat insects too, I've heard that. Yeah, there's a paper where it says that they ate, they were, they found them eating a moth. I can't remember what paper that was. Well, it's got L. Yeah. I mean, that's awesome, but it's like, and also with the whole thing of the meeting being gecko feeders, it's, you're gonna, you're gonna, maybe as the captive populations are more established, you'll start getting away from that. Like the four or five babies that I had that took pinkies right off the bat, they were obviously going to be the biggest red boas that I've ever produced. They're going to be the biggest red boas. They're going to be the first ones to breed and then who knows, maybe their babies will take, be more prone to taking the pinkies off the bat than any other babies. So eventually you will weed it out, but it's just a little bit of a bitch getting there. Yeah. I don't know. I guess that's the thing. People don't want to start them on that because then they're forever going to be locked into that. It's much easier to sell a snake if it's eating frozen thaw rodents. Yeah, it is. Go buy some kind of reptile to feed, but I don't know. I think I sold like four when they were on geckos and the second everybody got onto rodents, they were gone. Yeah. So, yep. I have 10 pairs going this year. Usually I shoot for about 10 and I hope for about, if I get half or three quarters of that, I'm happy. But that you keep them all right. Yeah, I can't break one for a year. Yeah. I like to hold on to them for a year to see how they call her up and because I'm learning, you know, I'm still learning on like what what I'm looking at, you know, and I don't want to sell one that, you know, then I regret it later because it would, you know, and the other thing is I want to be able to look at it, you know, like I look up to to certain guys in the in the carpet world, you know, and they can just look at a at a at a baby and say, you know, this is what's going to look like as an adult, you know, or this is what they think it's going to look like. And usually nine times out of 10, they're right. I mean, obviously, sometimes you got those ones that are, you know, totally outside of the other way of you think it's going to progress. But, you know, for the most part, I don't think that you can learn that any other way other than holding back and watching them grow, you know, so. One of you want to be selling snakes for a while into the future, you have to have good stuff compared to other people. And if you're selling all your best stuff, then you're kind of going to fall behind. Yeah, exactly. That's why I don't really shoot for like a whole and, you know, a lot of the stuff that I'm working on now really isn't isn't I mean, it's not the best visually. I mean, what I mean by that is it's more of, you know, like when you got double hits and stuff like that, you know, it's like, okay, well, this is a cool looking snake, but I'm not going to be able to explain to somebody that's just getting into carpets. Why this carpet is this much and this carpet is this much and, you know, I don't have anything to show them what it'll look like visually, you know, like an exam at granted or something like that. So, I don't know. I'm in no rush. I only breathe what I could keep anyway. So it's not like, I think that a lot of people sometimes they just breed, breed, breed, breed, breed and then if they can't sell it, they go into like, you know, panic mode and that's how prices drop like crazy and, you know, I don't know. Maybe I suck at selling snakes. I don't know. It's probably the worst part of the whole deal. I don't know. Well, yeah, and I just shoot for big numbers because I know I'm not going to get all 27 pairs, but I did have a terrible year last year. So, I am cautious because what I've been told is that you move, you have a crappy year and then usually the year after like all your girls and boys are like playing catch up and that's when everybody has like the year that blows them out of the freakin' water. So, if I get anywhere close to the 27 pairings I'm trying, I'm going to freak out. So, I will be one of those guys who loses his mind. So, yep. Yeah, you overcompensated. You're going to have 400 snakes. And I remember what to do. Then it's going to be bad. So, yeah. Then you'll need to blackhead. Yeah, there you go. I'll be bringing, I'll be bringing tubs over to Eric and be like, "You're blackhead hungry?" And you'll be like, "No, he's full. Get out of here." So, you know, yeah. The blackhead. But, yeah, so, you know, I don't know. It should be a cool season. It should hatch out some cool stuff. It's like each year my projects get closer and closer to, you know, I think back when you're thinking like four years ago and I'm buying all these snakes and like the waiting game and, I don't know, you kind of like forget about it, I guess. Like, it's not in my mind that whole time that breeding, breeding, breeding, breeding. And then all of a sudden you're like, "Oh, this one's ready." Okay. I guess, you know, then, then you have to, do I breed this one? Do I not breed this one? You know, I don't know. It's like all of a sudden that baby that you bought that you're like just been raising up and raising up and all of a sudden, "Crap, you can go this year." Holy crap. It's like, you know, it's like you came over and you were looking at that one girl that I was on the fence about the super caramel and you're like, "Yes." And I'm like, "Oh, all right." Okay. So, it's kind of cool though. And Eric, if you get clutches, your plan is to have them eternally incubated. If the snake has a decent rap, is that right? Yeah. Last year, I didn't do any maternal incubation, but the years prior to that, I've done it every year. Yeah. This year, I'm going to do maternal incubation again. I was going to do it last year, but what happened is my nonistic IJ thing, poison ivy, she started to get... She left the eggs and she went doing... She developed a respiratory issue and luckily, I caught it quick. As soon as she left the eggs, I knew something wasn't right. And, you know, they all hatched no problems, which sometimes they say once they're maternal incubated, I'm going to switch them over to artificial as an issue, but I didn't have any problems. But I don't know, it's such a cool thing to witness. I can't wait to do it at Kondra. I know I'm going to freak all the Kondra people out. They're going to be like, "What are you doing?" But I don't know. That's going to be a real cool site for sure. I'd like to do it with like, you know, other types of pythons as well. I think I would do it with... I try it with all them, you know, to see what the experience is like. If there was a egg poking out, what do you look for to make sure to give yourself the best chance for success if there's an egg poking out at the bottom of her coils? Is that a deal breaker? You let it rise or she's going to group them together or reposition? Well, the first year that it happened, I should have just went with my gut. My gut was is that the female didn't want that... Somehow, she sent... Well, I think that she sensed that egg was no good and she sort of pushed it out of her coils, but it was sort of like when I saw it, it was sort of in. She was sort of coiled, that egg was somewhat stuck to the other egg. So, I don't know, I just kind of panicked. It was my first year of breeding pythons and I just went into a panic and I pulled the clutch. My thinking was if I just would have pulled that egg, she probably would have wrapped them fine. But yeah, I don't know, from what I've seen so far, you know, I haven't seen... I don't think I have any that don't do it that good. One of the things that I did is I never bought... I try to steer away from jagged females because they do not make good maternal incubators. They just don't do it well. And they just don't, they're not good at it. They lay on their side. Yeah, they're whole... Throw them everywhere. How soon after Lang did you candle that egg that was sticking out? Is it possible that it wasn't kicked out because it was bad, but it was bad because it was kicked out? I candle that right after she laid. Okay. Yeah, she laid. I saw it and then I was texting Owen and Jason Bailin and Luke Snell on like, you know, group message. What do I do? What do I do? Freaking out. Oh, that was the best. I don't know what to do. Oh, my God. And then it was like, just bring them here. And then all of a sudden, like, I'm pretty sure your tires didn't touch the ground from your place to mine because you were over, like, so damn quickly it was ridiculous. Yeah, you know, the other thing like, you know, what I did is, as I was so worried now, because it's freezing cold outside, you know, I think it wasn't in January or something like that. It's freezing cold outside. I'm wondering, how am I going to get these snakes, this clutch of eggs over to Owen's house? Because the mistake that I made that first year is that I didn't have an incubator ready. And I just said, you know, all about tournaments, patience. You know, I said, well, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be, you know, I went on and on and, man, that smacked me in the face. But, uh, oh, God, I love it. But it's really, it's, and the, the problem is that he showed up at my, at my house with, with the juvie maclox python. And you're like, for taking care of the eggs, here's this. And I'm like, what the hell am I going to do with that? And then of course that, you know, was that, I mean, glitches over there. And that's what led to all the other line assets, which was very poor decisions. So, but it's, it's like, it's something you got to prepare for. And it's something you got to understand is that you're going to, if you're going to do internal incubation, you know, make sure that you still prime the incubator and you're still prepped and ready because she could leave the eggs. She could decide that, you know, this one egg is bad. So they all must be bad. So, um, and I wouldn't even, if she calls around a bunch, but she leaves a few over there, I can still incubate the ones that she left out because for all you know, she just couldn't fit them in the coils. I mean, it's still be good eggs. So don't automatically count them just bad. Yeah, it's so I'm not, I'm just, you know, saying my observations. I don't know whether or not she knew that they were bad or not bad, or she just couldn't get a good wrap on them or what. But I don't know, like the more and more I thought about it, the more, you know, the fluctuation that these eggs go through is, you know, it's not like a precise incubator that they're in in the wild. And to be honest, I wonder, I started to think about it and are those fluctuations good, meaning that is it doing something to the immune system of the snake while it's in the egg and they're better able to withstand, you know, fluctuation in temperatures to where if you put them in an incubator and they're at a steady 88 degrees or 87 degrees, and you know, they don't get those drops. Does it do something or not do something? I don't know. I can't wait to do it with diamond pythons. I think from what I've heard from people that breed them, they kind of build nests, which is kind of cool. So I remember back in 2009, Josh Easter had a, he had a, he had a camera in his incubation box of his diamond pythons and you could go on his website and just see, you know, the footage of it. And what would, what would happen is she would leave the eggs, you know, for a little bit of time during the day and she would go and bask and come back. And, you know, so those eggs aren't staying at a constant temperature. And if you read the complete carpet python, you know, Nick did a whole bunch of, you know, experiments where the fluctuation in the temperature, you know, he put data loggers in the, in the clutch when he did internal incubation. You can see the temperature spike in and dropping and, you know, so, that might snake left the eggs. That'd be freaking out. I was like, every second till he got back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, what's that? Sorry, go ahead. No, I was going to say when, when, when this, I don't know, you kind of know the difference between one that's leaving the eggs because they don't want to be on the eggs anymore. And, you know, one that is just going to bask, you know, I had the one year, the first year when I was breeding, I had a diamond cross. And what she would do is, is that she would put her first third of her body outside of the, of the egg box and she would just bask and then she would go back in and wrap the eggs again. I had my iJ girl, she kind of lifted up the clutch and would move it, which that was really neat. You know, she would just kind of beehive down around it and then just kind of moved over till, you know, I don't know, it's just really cool to see, see that, you know. What are you going to say? Do either of you have backup generators in case your power goes out, it seems like a lot of, there are a lot of power outages on the east coast. I would love one. I, and it's all my list of things to add, but I have not gotten one. I have had several instances where I've had eggs in the incubator and lost power at my old house. And what I actually have is a backup server battery. It's for like servers at a, like I said, a server bank or whatever, where if they lose power, it maintains the servers so that they do not lose their charge and don't like short out. And all it does is it's a giant battery pack that I plug my incubator into. So if it loses power, it automatically clicks on. And then the incubator goes, everybody else, so many other guys can just take care of themselves. But it is something I've been meaning to get now that I am further out. The other thing is that my, where I used to live, my best friend's dad was chief of the fire department and they have emergency generators for news for the township and the public. And they always said if I needed one, they just wheeled one over. So I have friends who have generators. So, but I do not have one, and we'll be adding one at some point. So I don't have one. I've done a little research. I'm going to get one someday. What I found was you want basically the only ones that will work with something like a herb stat is a Honda, because the Honda has produced really clean electricity. Something about sine wave. You're good for running laptops too, but the power that other generators produce is dirty. So I don't know what you use as a thermostat, but it seems like Hondas are the way to go. And they're pretty pricey. Yeah, they are. So, wow. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't have one, but I tell you what, you know, probably the worst experience that I had when it came to that is that I think it was last year I was on a cruise. And where I was down in the Caribbean, it was beautiful. But on the east coast, they were getting hammered with that crazy storm that was supposed to come through and it ended up hitting ball. Oh, yeah. That of us. Yeah. So, they were saying that the power was going to go out. And, you know, so not only am I not near my collection, but now I have no way of knowing whether or not the power went out or didn't go out. I have these little blurps of time to where I could text my dad and find out, you know, what was going on. But the, the time between knowing was crazy, you know, knowing on whether your, your stuff is shut down or not. Most unreal expectations ever. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. So, I went on a trip a couple weeks ago and I have a webcam, a wireless camera and it pans around my room. So, I use that. And then there's this other thing that someone posted on the MBF. And it's made by a company called La Crosse Alerts. So, you put this little device in your room and it transmits wirelessly the temperature and the humidity in the room and you can set threshold. So, if it goes below or above a certain temperature, that you'll, you'll receive text messages or emails. That gives me a piece of mind. Mm-hmm. That is awesome. I like that. I have to check that out. I need dollars for the device and then I think $15 for a subscription for a year. Wow. That's not bad at all. For a piece of mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because when you go, you, you spend all these years growing these animals up and putting all this work into them and making sure that you're taking care of them right and, you know, paying for the caging and the heating and the, you know, the lighting and all this stuff that you do and you get to the, you know, don't do the stupid mistake that I did and it's like you get to that end. I mean, you're right there, you know, and it's like you, you're going by, you know, a $3,000 snake, but you won't make a $70 investment for, you know. It just seems silly. I don't know. You know, one of the things I'm going to try this year is the, I was talking to you about it, Owen was the, the egg boxes from, um, uh, what did he call it? Sim containers. Sim containers. Yeah. I don't know. From what, I heard those guys talking on a, on an episode of, I know it's not around anymore, but reptile radio Australia. And I'm really surprised that more contour people don't, don't use these, but, um, the way they're designed is really, that mean, they put a lot of thought and effort into, uh, into that design. And, uh, I don't know, Mike Curtain was telling us that Carpafest that, uh, he used them this year and his hats and things were, you know, they just look healthier. They had more weight on them. Um, you know, they absorbed all the yolk. Um, and, you know, they just looked overall. They looked much better, um, than, uh, than anything that he's done in the past. So I don't know. I mean, it's, you get, I think, I think they might be like six of them or something like that might be like 120 bucks, which seems like a lot for a plastic container. But I don't know, when you're talking about clutches of eggs that, you know, that, you're going to, there's more money in that clutch of eggs than there is in the container. So why not make that investment? I don't know, especially if you, I guess if you're not having any issues, then it is what it is. But, you know, well, that's what I use. I like them. Oh, do you? It's, it's just easy to create a container that's on a grid that sits over water. But the part that's harder is the little dividers that lock in there that keep your eggs from rolling. So that's why I usually have some containers. Yeah. You break apart the eggs and you lay them. Yeah, I separate them. Okay. Interesting. Is there a reason why you do that, or do you just? Um, well, the rough-scaled eggs, I couldn't get apart. There were cemented together, but the condor eggs weren't that hard to get apart. And the reason I separate them is in case one goes bad, I don't want it to screw up the other ones. Right. That was, you know, sometimes they write it out, but. Right. What do you, what, did you notice a difference in the hatchlings or? Um, between the condros and the rough-scaled? No, no, no. I mean, I, have you, have you always just used the Sims containers or did you use something prior to? When I add the rough-scales, I use a ghetto version that I made. Oh, okay. A food storage container, and then I got some of that light grid. Yup. Propped it up a little bit, putting it in your water under it. And that worked fine too. But I really like the things that keep the eggs from rolling. Yeah. That is, I do like them, especially with monitor eggs, because those things are just round, sort of God. They don't ever settle. So, it's cool stuff. Yeah. So, I don't know. I'm going to try them out this year and see how it goes. I've heard great things about them, so why not, why not give it a shot? Cool. I think the big ones are harder to get a hold of. And you're going to want the big ones. Yeah. That's what I've heard. Luckily, I have an inside source. Ah, the connection, I see. The connection. Yeah. There you go. So, hopefully that connector works out for me. Right, Mike? So, that's not listening. Yeah, I know. Well, I don't know. We are almost out of time. Sweet. That went quick. Yeah. So, I'll talk about the Python. Dave, why don't you throw out your info there. If people want to get in touch with you or your Facebook page or whatever you want to throw out, throw it out. You've got some hopeful clutches on the horizon that people want to know what's going on with. Yeah, if I get any, I'm going to hoard them for years. So, they won't be able to if I have some. I have some that I'm hoarding right now from last year. And most of them will be for sale in the spring. My website is vibrantbeardis.com. And I can also be found posting on the MBS and MBF pretty frequently. So, that's about it. All right. Well, thanks for coming and hanging out with us and helping us pick winners to the contest and appreciate it. That's always a pleasure and congrats to the winners. A lot of really great photos. Yeah. And the right side is now that now that you've fulfilled your obligation, you can enter in the 2017 calendar now. Try to get back here or something like that. So, yeah. Well, good luck with your 27 clutches, Zoan. I hope all of them go and I hope you have a bunch of twins. Nice. Very good. All right, Dave. All right. Thank you. You guys take care. Talk to you later. Thanks, Dave. Yeah. So, for people that, what we're going to hit on real quick here. So, if we go into overtime, make sure you listen to the other. There's all four other half of this. It shouldn't be long. So, yeah, me and Owen were hanging out this weekend and, you know, doing some discussing and, you know, about the podcast and where we want to go and what we want to do. And I don't know. I don't know if it's a recent, you know, me reading these reptile books or what it is or just in general of, you know, like, for instance, when I went to Owen's house, he's got a big, huge, naturalistic tank in his living room with a trio of monitors in it, which is pretty bad ex. Yeah. Small lizards. You know, so, you know, so we were just talking about the, you know, the future of the show and such. And we only have five episodes left for the year. But I think that the thing that we thought about is we wanted to come back stronger than we have, you know, and take the show to another level. One of the things that we're always talking about is trying to get in front of new people, you know, get in Morelia, just, you know, because that's really where our heart is for me, you know, and obviously. But we do love other species. There are other reptiles that we dig and some of them we keep, some of them we don't, you know, but they're still fascinating and still intrigue us nonetheless. But I think that, you know, with coming back and trying to hit that broader audience to get that broader audience, what we thought about is trying to step out of our box, so to speak, just always focusing on Morelia. Obviously, our show is always going to be geared in that vein, you know, especially with, you know, me and Owen, our collections, our focus is really, really has, has always been Morelia. But I think me and Owen both have that bug, you know, where we're getting into other things and, you know, different species and sometimes even different, you know, different types of reptiles. But I think that, you know, when we step outside of that, we've always, we've kind of done this in the past, where we've kind of stepped outside of the realm of Morelia, where we've already always sort of stayed in the Python territory. And I think that after we were talking that, we're going to try to expand that a little bit. And I think, I think that will help expand the audience. And I think that ultimately will help expand, you know, the people that are know about carpet pythons or chondros, you know. I think that to just, it's almost like, I feel like we're preaching to the choir, so to speak, you know. I mean, the people that listen to the show obviously love Morelia and they love, you know, whether it's carpets or chondros and even some of the outside layers like scrubs and bollons and stuff like that, you know. But I think to, you know, like one of the things that we were talking about is a venomous show. I have no intentions of ever having venomous reptiles. But I think it would be fascinating to hear about them. I think it would be fascinating to hear about people that people that, you know, what are the safety protocols. And just to put the information out there, maybe you do have a passion for venomous and you do want to work with it. But you don't know how to find out that information. I think that stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. I think, you know, that would just, I ultimately, I think it just makes for a fascinating show altogether. I mean, Lizards is another category that we never really. I mean, we had that one show with Andrew, but yeah, I haven't gone too deep in there, but yeah. Yeah, and that, you know, people really responded to that. And just even if we were to stay with Australian stuff, I mean, there's so many different species of reptiles just within Australian Indonesia, which is really, really what our focus has always been is like reptiles in the Australian Indonesian area. We, you know, we've gone back and forth. And one of the things we are always saying about trying to expand the reach of our of the voice and the voice of the guests and stuff is we never wanted to go the ball python route, you know, not that there's anything wrong with ball pythons, but there's plenty of podcasts that have people that talk about ball pythons and I feel that that would just be be beating. A dead horse, a long dead horse. Yeah, exactly. And that's been done a million times. Yeah. And I think that I don't know what I see, you know, whether it's going to a reptile show, talking to people, being on Facebook, my observation is, is that it seems more and more people are, you know, they have a species that they're focused on and then they have a couple other things that they work with that are just outside of that, you know, that box. So we want to try to get the information out to people of some of those, what I call, Morelli, etc. stuff. Yeah, so that's kind of where our vision is for the next year and I guess, you know, upcoming episodes and such. You know, I think the field herping show, you know, even though one was talking about a field herping show that's just in the US, you know, somebody that field herps in the US, you know, I mean, it doesn't get out there. So yeah. And a lot of it, you know, we take for granted, I guess. It's almost like, I guess, you know, we're always looking at the world that's a half the, you know, all the way around the world and dreaming of seeing these species where they're probably doing the same thing for, you know, rattlesnakes and, you know, stuff like that, or see an alligator, or, you know, hognose snake or anything like that. But so that's, that's kind of what we're going to be looking at and focusing on, you know, our focus will, like I said, will always be relevant. That's mine and Owen's focus and it's good to have a focus. It's good to be focused on on a particular thing. But if we start talking about a show about monitors or if we're talking about venomous or, you know, I don't know, field herping, or, you know, maybe we throw in a show about conservation. Hell, I don't know. What we're saying is we're kind of open for anything as long as it kind of fits into. Yeah. Well, you know, the idea is that we are always going to come back to Moralia. We're always going to have the Moralia show as this Moralia bites on radio. But we do want to have other shows to expose you guys to other things. And it's not like we're just going to have shows that are meaningless. We do want to talk to certain breeders of certain things. The whole point of this is to get you guys is basically kind of make it so that you're almost at a reptile show talking to a breeder. But you don't have to actually go to the reptile show and you can talk to breeders that you may not even ever have contact with. The whole point is to get you guys knowledge of a species that might be something you might want is to expand the audience's reptile knowledge as well as your bring you into species that you may not have even given a second chance to at one point. So we will have other rare species. Some of the ones where people are just working with them. We might have certain breeders on who work with common species but have a certain way of working with them that could be used towards other spythons like a cycle feeding this and stuff of that. So we'll see how it goes. We have some pretty good ideas. Either way you're going to be stuck with us for at least another four years. So get used to it. Goddamn it. And I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with and running out of topics or anything like that because you know it's always about you know there's always something to talk about when it comes to keeping snakes whatever it is that you focus on. I think our main goal is that we just want to, I found that when I learned about another species somehow it teaches me about the species that I keep and I can always take some kind of information about that. But if we don't ever step outside of our box, outside of our comfort zone so to speak, then we're never going to expand our knowledge and that's the idea that we're trying to do. We're trying to expand the knowledge of people and trying to expose people that may not necessarily have been exposed to it because I think about it. You know I'm looking through this monitor book or this gecko book that I got and you know there's species in there that I never heard of. You know and it I guess in my mind I think that because I'm so in tune with carpet pythons how could somebody not know what a carpet python is but there are people out there that don't know what what a carpet python is. They haven't been in their little sphere of you know what they pay attention to so yeah. So yeah that's that should be cool. So if you have anything in particular I guess that maybe you know with that being said that maybe you want to hear a show about you know obviously you know we think about I'd like to have some blackhead shows and definitely some walnut shows and you know I know Owen is chomping at the bit to talk about white lip pythons and I think probably what we're going to be doing with bollins at the end of the month which is pretty exciting. We're going to have a bollins round table a round table and I'll tell you what this is probably the who's who of the bollins python world of course we have our good friend Casper he's going to be joining us and we have Mr. Chad Gray nice who was also trying to breed bollins we have Ari obviously he has a wealth of experience and knowledge when it comes to the bollins pythons since he's been over there and seen them in the wild and then we have Frederick who's bred them successfully three times Jesus I mean that's that's pretty much everybody so that's awesome so that's going to be a cool show for you guys to check out before we head out to our break I know next next week we have Zach Baez he's going to be joining he's going to be just joining me because Owen is going to be MIA I am not because we're talking blue tongue skinks it's not just because of that it may have a little bit of an option but it's not just because of that my my sister is going to be in town and I fear her more than all of you so if I don't make a family dinner I will be crucified so yeah sorry guys so I will bow out and you guys can have your skink talk and I will be back episode after so yeah so Zach came on a long time ago and he came on to talk blue tongue skinks and we ended up talking about everything but blue tongue skinks but I think I think we may have hit on blue tongue skinks it's a very and five sec I think he holds us I think he holds that against us like you know that we we got them all jazzed up and then we like barely talked about them so and they seem to be something that's picking up in popularity um for um that they kind of seem to be according to a lot of people but next big thing so uh it'd be cool to have a skink show and uh all that I know that I know that uh Zach has been trying to get me to get into skinks probably since I met him forever yeah forever yeah forever and uh I know he is super passionate about blue tongue skinks um he is and he has a wealth of knowledge about them um he's never bred them but he's going to be breeding them this year and I have a hundred percent faith that as long as he has a male and a female that he will be able to reproduce uh then successfully so we're going to talk about some of the natural history uh we're going to talk about uh you know the different species and subspecies and stuff like that uh we're going to talk about some of the misconceptions about feeding them uh UV light et cetera et cetera so uh it should be uh should be an awesome show and this is sort of a I guess a little taste of uh you know uh what you will may see going forward in uh Mariah Python radio um like I said it's it's something outside of the box that we do but at the same time I mean they're from Australia uh and uh so they sort of fit into that box and if you look at them uh which I've been sort of trying to read up on them for the show um you find them where you find carpet pythons and they're very similar to the carpet python um you know uh for instance the blotched blue tongue skink I believe it's from the same territory as the diamond python and if you look at a blotched blue tongue skink it looks a lot like a diamond python uh very dark uh to absorb heat uh you know stuff like that so you look at it northern they look similar to a to uh uh a Darwin um tannem bars um guess what they're patternless and exotic you know so it it almost seems like these things are all from the same places uh it's it's kind of cool and also it's like it's looking at the other side of Mariah where this is probably a food source for a lot of the animals that we eat and breed so it's like it's getting to know your animals through food so you know yeah I'm sure all the blue tongue skink people are going no we will not be talking about we will not be talking about how to make a top hat for your blue tongue skink what that's why I don't want to be part of the show I know no I want I want I want to wearing a mini tuxedo with top hat why is that so horrible yes no that is not going to happen uh hanging wings and bikes get adorable uh so uh it should be cool uh definitely a cool episode uh don't don't miss and then uh like I said after that we have the bolognes show roundtable and then after that um another one of Owen's favorites uh carpondros no what the hell why is that a thing yeah it's going to be uh it's going to be a couple different people our good friend uh Bill is going to come on um and we're going to talk about you know uh the pros and cons and some of the uh breedings and such uh of of the they are cool looking you have to admit they are cool you know now I wrote you so uh so yeah that should be cool and then uh I think there's another show and then we will have a holiday show and then we're out so so cool stuff um so uh first uh let's say thanks uh today for coming on and being a guest judge and helping us out and uh you know we look forward to seeing his contributions to the 2017 NPR calendar um thank you everybody yeah thank you everybody for contributing and taking the time to uh you know post your pick up um and last but not least uh congrats to the winners you know and if you did not get selected this year don't feel bad about it we're going to do it again next year so start taking pictures start pulling out your good stuff and get ready for next year so you know definitely you know it's not like we don't there's no limitation you don't have to take the picture this week um and also if you've submitted an animal you know it uh before it doesn't mean you can't submit it again so by all means if you didn't get in it don't feel bad just get to it start taking more pictures and take your chances next year right yes um and uh just so everybody knows uh this sunday which i believe is November 12th let me just make sure date right no November 15th yes yes November 15th um i will be co-hosting uh with bill on gtp keeper radio see i got that down now i can say it can say it quick because it wasn't what you want yeah um they have they have brad wafah and uh he's going to be uh the show is broken up into two parts the first part is going to be talking about brad and his collection and projects and then the other half uh it's going to be talking about uh keeping from the vet perspective since he is a vet so cool so so if i call we if i call weeping because you left me and you know went to another show will that just be gonna let be awkward and kind of shuffled over there you know it might it might take it and we could not do that here's the deal though when when bill goes on vacation then you get to fill in i don't think buddy can handle me as a co-host so you know i don't know yeah only i can do that so yeah it's really all we're getting down to so yeah okay so yeah i was i was i was crazy to hear your story about your uh your maclots fights on that kind of she was i it's i don't know what's up with the two of them i don't know if it's not cold enough yet but or they're not in that mood right now but it's happened it happened last year as well where it's like they they just kind of aren't really into it right now so what they see right there in front of us is a food source so which of course makes me even more terrified about the olives so that's very good yep uh let's see okay let's let's wrap this up and get out of it so yeah for us marely python radio check out our website marely python radio.com uh for more info on the podcast or if you're just looking for uh information on marely in general think of it as the hub to your world of marely are you can listen to or download the show on itunes just search for marely pythons radio our blog talk page is blog talk radio dot com slash marely python radio uh you can also listen on the website uh it's on the home page right there you can check it out uh check out our facebook page marely python's radio be sure to give us a like wire there uh you can also follow us on twitter at marely pythons if you have any questions comments you just an email at info at marely python radio dot com um you can also check out our facebook group page which is marely a pick of the week and uh i would say that uh another cool page to check out is marely etc and that like we said that's kind of like uh where marely keep your show off some of the other cool reptile projects that they're keeping or breeding so it's definitely cool to see uh some of the other things that marely keepers are interested in uh if you're looking to buy or purchase uh type any type of marely you can go over to the breeder direct marely python classified group page uh and basically uh we've said a million times on the show uh the advantage of buying directly from the breeder uh you can check out the parents possibly even trace back the lineage this is especially important if you're looking for pure stock um if you have a problem the breeder will be able to answer your question like uh if your snake won't eat they'll tell you what the snake had as their last meal and uh did they feed it at night that they feed it during the day i mean all these things sometimes come into play on uh being successful uh you know and yeah and being able to contact a breeder priceless so if you're not a member of that group you should go over and check it out for sure um as far as uh uh i have to give a shout out to our good friend troy and uh from k-brother's pythons uh his youtube uh channel that he has is k-brother's pythons uh if you're into australian harps it's a cool cool uh little youtube show that he does um and the past two episodes have been going to see uh our past guest uh wane larks from ralia magic and checking out his uh you know his collection uh the episode that aired just before we came on the show uh he was showing his moon glows yeah so uh if you're into carpet python morphs you should definitely go and check out that um his brother uh does a lot with uh black-headed pythons so uh they just have some cool stuff and they go around uh to the different breeders in australian check out their collections and uh just really cool little uh youtube show that they do uh definitely worth checking out let's see um yeah um and as far as myself uh you can check me out eb maralia uh eb maria.com if you have any questions for me uh you can send them to eric at eb maria.com and i will be sure to uh to get back to you um that's all i got. cool uh what i got is you go to roge-reptiles.com and find out all the latest happenings are going on at robed all the babies that we currently have for sale are listed there as well as the facebook page uh we haven't taken up to date photos we'll probably gonna be replacing them in a week or two all of the things gonna settle down here a little bit um as far as shows i have one december 5th up in hanbert pennsylvania and if you are on the fence about a baby get to us and get it going now because we will be shutting down shipping uh very shortly if the weather keeps dropping the way it goes it's going overnight so don't hesitate also if you want to know what breeding schemes you've got going on this year you want to put down any of our lists uh some of the things that we're doing is we're definitely doing caramel head exanic and we're definitely doing uh tiger head exanic as well as scrub pythons mac lots pythons all of pythons blah blah blah blah blah. i'll have a full list on the rogeptiles facebook page probably in the next few days um if you want to get on any of the lists for any of those animals contact us we'll toss in the list when babies become available you will be notified on their first come first serve basis so that's what we got and that's what i got so that's what we're doing so thank you all for coming and listening and we will see everybody uh back here next week for some more more early at python radio good night hey jab round here you may remember the line back in the NFL where's a reptile breeding the owner probes out i've been hurt but 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In this episode we will be revealing the winners of the 2016 Morelia Python Radio calenda contest.