Morelia Python Radio

4 year anniversary show!

In this episode we celebrate our 4th year hosting Morelia Python Radio. We will talk about some of the highlights from the past 4 years. Thank you for listening and supporting us for the past 4 years.

Duration:: 2h 59m
Broadcast on:: 07 Oct 2015
Audio Format:: other

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Use ship your reptiles.com to take advantage of our discounted priority overnight shipping rate. The materials needed to ship your reptile successfully, live customer support, and our live on time arrival insurance program. We got you covered. Visit the reptilereport.com to learn or share about the animals. Click on the link to the marketplace. Find that perfect pet or breeder. Then visit shipreptile.com to ship that animal anywhere in the United States. We are your one-stop shop for everything reptile related. [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Hello everybody. Welcome to the four-year anniversary show of Moralea Python radio. That's right. We've been doing this gig for four years, Owen. What is wrong with people? I mean, I would have come to this after a week. I mean, you and I were discussing early episodes, and I am shocked you people keep listening to me on it. We're going to talk about some of those, or not, I guess we'll talk about it in the last couple of years. We also are going to have some special guests calling in tonight to later on in the show, which will be cool. But I guess before we get to anything, the first thing will be first. This past weekend was the northwest carpet fest. Amy, I don't know if she took the polar bear plunge as well, but she said she was sick, so the past week. If she did take the polar bear plunge, that could be why she got sick. For those of you who don't know what it looks like, is that out there they actually turned the temperature of the of dubs jacuzzi way, way down, and filled it with ice. One of the auction items was to see how much time Nick mutton had to be in the ice cold jacuzzi. I want to say they had it at 10 minutes, which I believe you're approaching hypotherapy. You guys, we do love you guys over at that carpet fest, but if you guys don't stop with the escalation, you're going to kill Nick. I mean, one year, like it's just going to kill him, and we don't want that. So we enjoy enthusiasm. I was talking to Chris Palimian. He said, the only way that we can up that is for me and you to get into the enclosure with a polar bear, at the Bronx Zoo. I'm crazy enough to do that. You would be seen as a food source immediately and probably murder. Although I could probably hide under a rock or something, hide in a nook with a bear cage. I could run where the squirrels go, and I would be okay. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, uh, dude. I just, uh, I got to take it out of swig of that. He's drinking. Hmm. 40 year old whiskey, dude. Bring that shit to Italy. Oh, that is smooth. Eric is drinking the whiskey that is older than I am. Oh, that, yeah, that's true. So yeah, those guys over there, they raised $800 for U.S. Arc, which is awesome. Yeah, which is cool. And Emily Kerr is the one that won the voucher for E.B. Morelia. So, uh, Chris won mine, so. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Very, very cool. So it looks like they had a good time and everything went well, which is good to hear. And of course, I told Nick that definitely will be out there next year. I will pry out. Oh, dude, that's so smooth. Wow. Okay, so I mean, I guess we have new people that are listening to the show. And we have people that have been listening since the very beginning, people that came from in between, you know, so I guess tonight what we were just going to do is basically, we're just going to give a little bit of the back history. Every time we do this every year, another story comes out or something that happened that we forgot to hit on in the very beginning day. Yeah, I mean, we have 365 days of fucking up. So, of course, there's a new picture that's about that, you know, right. We're what? This is episode two, 17. So, we have 217 episodes under the belt. And then what I figured would be pretty cool is that I've, I got to list the questions for you. I had a list. I had my list. I was going to, I'm going to just imagine it. All right. And then we were going to talk about our top five shows and the guests that were on the shows. Yeah. And then we should have some some guest callers by there. If you, if you're listening live and we got the chat going on over on the Facebook group chat message, if you are listening to this and you want to join in live, we do it every week where everybody just kind of chats as we're going along. But I guess, I guess I did a post yesterday. That was a little sentimental, I guess. I was, I'm feeling pumped. I'm feeling, you know, I'm feeling excited about the fact that it doesn't know that show with Justin. And then that carried you over. We just show with Justin Jewlander. So passionate type of guy. And a lot of times that passion is can be good as well as, as bad, I guess, you know. But, I mean, I think that I really believe that, you know, the concept of this show was just two guys to sort of like hang out and talk to, talk to these breeders of Moralia and, you know, pick their brains and try to try to debunk some of the myths that are out there about, you know, about about all these different pythons that are in this Moralia genus. I mean, back then, Moralia was a little bit bigger. I don't know. Some people recognize why, you know, recognize scrubs of still Moralia and Bullens and all that. Other people, not, we kind of lumped them all in there as, because that's kind of why, what do I know? I'm looking at this. Oh, no. Don't worry. Keep reading. Keep reading. Oh, yeah. You're doing what you're doing. Don't you worry what's going on over there. Really, really, I mean, the show is really just about, about, about highlighting them and their work and, and their passion. And I don't think everyone that either one of us have claimed to be experts. You're God. No. Yeah. No. We're just to get, like I said, we're just two guys. You know, I thought it was, I thought it was a good, some people told me back in the beginning that it would be silly that we don't have enough experience to, to do a podcast. But yeah, but the thing that I thought is, is that we're going to be able to look at it from a beginner's point of view. Or, you know, I don't want to say that we were, well, maybe we were beginners back then. I don't know. I don't know where you would consider us on the, on the, I mean, we, we started keeping carpets in 2006, seven and eight. So, you know, we started. 2011. So, you know, I mean, we had some experience, but obviously we were not. There were, there were, there were more senior people, people have been keeping for 25 years. Right. Even Morelli and stuff like that. There were, there were definitely people higher up who've done more. And I mean, around the time when you and I started the show, I was just starting to kind of have a name to my face for people at reptile shows and, you know, stuff like that. And that's, that's just kind of how we started. I mean, the collections that you and I have now compared to the collections that we had when we first started, I mean, they're like, what? Double, like, triple the size and diversity of the collections that we started the show with. Yeah. So, I mean, like, holy crap. And I attribute everything, every, all the, first of all, I attribute all the success that my, my reptile company had through this show. And I attribute the diversity of my collection to the show. And I attribute most of my knowledge through the show. Basically, I just showed up one day and this is just kind of how it's all went. Um, without NPR, I have no freaking idea if I would still be in this or to what capacity. I mean, all I had were like six coastal carpets I've done. So we started this damn thing. So, it very much dead. Yeah. I was going to say, you know, it's funny. We were talking before the show. What I was laughing at so much is that I've decided to go back and listen to which, which it's really is the second episode. Yeah, the second episode. The first episode, which is me. And you did the first one. I realized it was so hard to talk to yourself that you put a boat on the rally a python radio forum saying that you hated the show because you didn't talk to yourself in a bathroom. So, um, you asked that there was a co-host or if anybody wanted to co-host with you and no one got it on your forum. No one did anything about your post for like two days because I was sitting there and I said it and I'm like, I don't know until I really want to. So, yeah. And then, and then I contacted you. We had a conversation on the phone and then we had the second episode, which was you interviewing me. And I did it in my cousin's room of my cousin's up because of watching his house at the time. And, uh, it was really awkward. So, yeah, so, so I took down some notes from that show, right? So, yeah. So, first of all, I was angry as shit, man, because the music that starts the show. Oh, man, I must have been working out some angry issues. I don't know. We had a really long intro there for a while, didn't we? Yeah, we played like a whole song. I guess that's just my music that's coming out, you know. And we did have the, uh, the intro for us, like our, like, welcome to your Python. I remember when we added that, we were insanely excited about. Oh, yeah, we were high-end then, man. It was like, whoa, that's bad. Oh, my God. It says our names. Well, I think, I think what it was is that I needed some kind of music that got me pumped up. Like when you go to a gym and you're like, you know, you're not gonna listen to like, you know, I, I, you know, you're not listening to reggae music or something like that, you're listening to like, you know, you know, the killer killer guitar and a big drum. You know, that kind of stuff. Anyway, so, you know, it's got, it gets you pumped up. And I guess, I guess the reflection that I would have from doing the show back then is that I was nervous as hell. I mean, I don't know about you, but I was just crazy nervous. How am I going to talk? How is I mean, are people going to let you know it? It was great. Honestly, the first couple episodes, I was nervous shit because I'm talking to you and I had barely known each other. And these guests, again, we were fairly new. So these guests were people that you had just heard about or like, they were the guys who were posting on the forum and they were the guys who had the debates and conversations. I just watched them. So it was like, yeah, talking to me was like, Jesus freaking Christ. So, and it's funny now when people, when we ask people that come in on the show, they're like, I'd be too nervous. And we're like, why? It's like, yeah, it's just like, what are you talking about? We've become so defensitized to it. It's like, I don't even think about the show anymore about it being that it goes out there to download and numerous people, download it, listen to it and all sort of stuff. It's, it's, it's, it's a conversation between reptile nerds and friends. It's like, just a conversation. Most of the shows that we put on are conversations that you can have sitting at your frickin table with your reptile and their friends. So these are half the conversations that we see it thinly. So it's like, it relaxed us after a couple of, again, we became sensitized to it. But the first couple of those have got to be frickin rough. Yeah. So the first show, I'm basically introducing you to the world as the new co-host. And we sounded like we didn't even know each other, which I guess we didn't. It's so weird. But it's so weird to look back. And it's like, wow, we really didn't know each other. Because the way I'm asking you to question is like, I have Owen from Rogue, he, he, he, he runs an operate, rogue reptile, like some kind of big huge facility. Any room in my basement that I can barely fit in. So it's like, you know, it's those steps. And of course, it's funny because the chemistry between us, it wasn't there. And of course, that had to be worked up over time. And we listened to the new podcast every once in a while. And you see some of the hosts struggle with that. And without a rapport, without a thing, it just kind of doesn't work. And if you listen to the episodes, like I bet you, if you listen to the episodes in order, there's got to be one of those episodes. So probably one of the first like 10, where the tension just breaks. Yeah, well, we, we really quickly, I think we really quickly sort of got our rhythm down. Because I remember back then, we were sort of, we would be, we would be listening to it and critiquing it. And the one thing that we would always say is that like, oh, we're talking over each other or we're not long conversation or, you know, you're, it's first of all, yeah. And first of all, it's hard to talk with somebody when you don't know, and especially when you're bringing in three people, let alone more than that when we started doing like the round tables and stuff. Like the conversation, if you just, if we didn't, if I didn't script it out and put it out, like, you know, okay, this is how it's going to go. These are the questions that we're going to ask, you know, then it would be just anarchy. And I think sometimes maybe that's what other podcasts might do or don't do. I don't know. I, you know, I just figured that I actually learned that from blog talk because there's like a big thing that you can read when you're, when you're starting it up and they tell you to kind of have a script to the show and blah, blah, blah. But I like, so I'm going to, I'm going to quote you. Okay. And I asked you, like, what got you into reptiles? And I forgot this about you. But you say I was poking around in the woods for turtles. I really didn't like snakes because I had to run in an Eastern water snake. And it wasn't up until college where my roommate had a Lucy Texas rat snake. And then I got hooked. And, you know, that was the kind of thing. I was like, wow, I forgot about that, you know, I forgot about that whole, you know, we're so focused on telling other people's stories that, you know, I don't know, even I forgot about that story. It was, it was funny because that that water snake, it was, I was like four, five when this thing, like, and it was just, I was walking around and it had shot past my foot and I stumbled down and got banged up on this riverbank. But that thing stuck with me and I was terrified of snakes for like years in school. And then in high school, I started kind of like, I don't know, maybe they're not so bad. And then my assigned college roommate in Frickin College was Chris Foley. And he was already into all the snakes and he brought his Lucy Texas rat over because he was going to Hamburg the next day and he was going to go sell it. So it was in the dorm room for a night and hanging out with this thing for just one frickin day I was done. The next hamburger came around, I went up there and got a stupid, smooth scale green snake, which in high school, which I thought you were going to say it again, which you said is basically a shoelace with a head. It was a shoelace with a head that the guys like, it eats crickets. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? So I tried to eat this thing. I never saw it eat. All I know was, well, God. And I'll do it. I bought it from a dealer, blah, blah, blah, blah. All the mistakes you could possibly make, things dies in a month. And I'm like, crap. I kept it in a huge enclosure. I went to the Hamburg show in February that year and I bought my California Kings snake shadow. And from that point on, it was done. It was over. So having shadow in June, I got my first carpified on. It was over. I mean, at that point, it was rolling downhill to where I had 15 snakes in my college dorm room. And that's where the whole rogue thing started. So yeah, it's funny that you forget that kind of shit ever once in a while. Yeah. So that will lead me to what kind of, I'll paint the picture of how this whole thing kind of came about. So I guess, like most people that are getting into reptiles, this is probably around, well, let me back up a second. I'll tell you, in 2000, around 2000, my music thing, I sort of settling down. I just got a house. You know, you see it all the time, like people sort of get out, and then they sort of come back in. So this is on my come back end phase. You know, I was basically in my late 20s, you know, and I wanted to burn these pythons. So around that time, I believe somewhere in that timeframe, the NR, NRBC in Philly was going on. Yeah. So I had went out to that, and I was just amazed, you know, because basically up until that point, my experience with reptiles was at Martin's Aquarium, which is a local pet shop that's, you know, and probably past each other all the time, and we probably walked past each other more times than we could possibly imagine. I was probably the door kid with the backpack on who just came from school. So, and I wanted to play with the Gators. I mean, dear God. So I wanted to burn these pythons. So I go and I picked up a Burmese python, and I didn't buy anything from that show, but I came back and I was just blown away. I couldn't believe, number one, I couldn't believe that the variety of like, what the hell happened? I didn't even know you could get these things. This is crazier than a zoo. My mind was just blown, you know, and it's hard to relate when you've been doing it for that long back to that feeling, that excitement, that craziness that you felt when you're walking in and you're seeing all these animals that you never thought you would see in real life. So I was hooked, man. That was it. But back then, I never really had any concept of wanting to breed. It was not about breeding for me. It was about keeping, you know, so I just basically sat out. And for some reason, I've always been attracted to pythons. You know, I've dealt with numerous, you know, species of snakes, gluberds, venomous, crocodilians, turtles, you name it, pretty much in my household, we had it. And I, for some reason, I was drawn to pythons, and I decided that I was going to try to get a collection of as many different species of pythons as I could. And I did that. And I started out, but for some reason, berms always sort of locked it in. I had, I then started learning that there was these things called morphs. And I was like, what the hell? I can't. And this probably sounds crazy for people that are into it now. And it seems like, how could that at one point have been something new, you know? Everybody starts, everybody starts, everybody knew at some point. And that's why I hate it when people get all pissed off when new people ask questions. You were new at some point at all. Everybody's new at some point. And there's, in my opinion, no dumb questions when it comes to reptile. Absolutely not. So basically, I went from basically the 2000s up until about 2007. I think it was 2006. I went to the pet shop and they had this, what they call the jungle carpet python. And dude, I was just blown away by it. And by by standards today, this thing was hideous. It was just flat out ugly, man. It was just an ugly thing, yeah. But the crazy thing was, is that, you know, it just was so different than what I was used to seeing. So I picked that up, which I guess that was my first carpet python. But I don't consider that my first real carpet python, so to speak. But so I had that. And I sort of went on and whatever. And then I sort of decided that I think it was maybe, I don't even know how I stumbled upon it. But for some reason, I always like listening to talk radio when I would drive. For some reason, music, it was just sort of an escape because I did music all the time. And this is something to sort of give my years of rest and not be, you know, it's like when you're recording in the studio for eight hours and you're playing gigs for, you know, four hours and you're practicing, the last thing I want to do is listen to music. So I somehow I stumbled upon, you know, reptile radio. And I was like, well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You're telling me that I can listen to people talk on a radio, you know, at the time I look at it as radio about reptiles. This is freaking awesome, you know. So then I started listening to them. I listen to them every week. I love, I just love the dynamics that they had. I love the, you know, I learned something every week. I love their approach. I love how they talked about current things and gave their opinions and sort of, you know, steered people in the right direction about things and they talked about, but you know, their main thing was ball pythons. And I think it was we all bird came on there and started talking about carpet pythons. And I'm sure you can look up somewhere in their archives is back in, it was maybe was '09 or something like that that they did an episode with Wilbert. And that way, I'm like, wait a minute, there's other carpet pythons beside this one I had. So kind of at that same time, I was kind of moving. I was going through personal issues and whatnot. So I had to take my snakes and I had to take them and move them to my parents' basement. And basically, what I set up was a set up with a hot, a hot lamp, you know, like a hot spot. And they were in the basement during the winter, during, you know, it was like, you know, it would get cold. Other snakes didn't do so well. But the carpet pythons, dude, they're like perfect. Shed day eight. As long as they could get under that basking lamp. And I'm like, wow, these are freaking awesome. They're like no maintenance at all. So then I started researching whatever, I come across Bullwinkle on AC reptiles. I mean, dude, I didn't at this point know about Benjamin or any of that. I just somehow stumbled upon this IJ Jag Bullwinkle. And that was just like, you know, again, back then, that was, oh, and you can relate, you know, you were in a bag like, the Jag was the shit, you know what I mean? It's like, and then, and then you have the Tiger Jag? Holy shit. Well, the first year, the first year they did the Tiger, the Tiger to the Jag, it was like a joint project between freaking Jason Bailin and the lyric, because it was like, the Jag's over here and every, and really, he's got all the Jag's. We didn't have the Tigers because the Tigers were over here with Bailin. And them doing a joint project, it was brought together the first Tiger Jag. And I had the reptile magazine, like, clipping of, I guess, it's going to interview with Larry, and they had the picture of that female Tiger Jag that he had produced. I had a picture of that animal taped onto my stupid gateway desktop that I had in college to do all my freaking work on. And it was taped there because it was on like one day, I'll be able to do something like that. So, you know, that was like, in the beginning, Jag's, like, people lost the freaking mind. And then he started getting into the high percentage blood jungles and IJs and shit like that. And people lost their minds even further. Right. So somehow from that, I stumbled upon, at that time, Anthony Caponero had a forum, which was called carpetpythons.net. And basically, that was a forum that was about carpetpythons, and there was people there. And then I stumbled upon that, which led me to then find MP. So there was now two forums that you could go and talk carpetpythons. But, you know, it was like, okay, MP, now, now we're talking, you know, now, now, now this is the shit. So at the time those guys are doing, you know, reptile radio, whatnot, it's going along. And I can't tell you, man, I hope, I hope that there's one person that we touched in the way that I was touched by reptile radio because every Sunday, I would look forward to getting in my car and driving to work and listening to those guys talk. And they did, like, an hour and a half show. So at that time, I didn't have to drive as long as I do now. But, it would be like, it would get me up to halfway to the show. I'd get to work. And then on my way home, I listened to the other half of the show. It was perfect. And they were so consistent every week was there, boom, boom, boom. So I started sending a messages, which is you listen back to some of their shows. Every time they had a carpetpython breeder on, or somebody that was into Morelia, I sent them a question. I sent them a question. I emailed him a question. And I think at one point, Larry says something about, man, this Eric, he's really, you know, we got to appreciate the fact that he sent us questions or something. It's crazy. And then when I heard my name on the podcast, I'm like, oh, this is nuts. It's mind blown again. So at that time, they started not being as consistent. And they started that's when reptile radio started to slow down and whatnot. So I had this idea that, man, these guys are doing an awesome show, but they're doing it about ball pythons is the main focus. Wouldn't it be cool if there was a show that was about carpetpythons as the main focus? And there was nothing out there. And I think I talked to a couple people, and they basically told me that, ah, there's not enough info. There's not enough to talk about, you know, you know, you can't do a weekly podcast on carpetpythons. You know, I was just trying to get somebody to do it so I could listen to it. But everybody sort of said, you know, no, there's no reason to do it. So I contacted, I thought, well, shit, maybe I'll do it, you know. So I contacted Larry and I asked him, I said, Larry, listen, would it be okay if we did a show on carpetpythons? You know, I really want to do a podcast about carpetpythons. And, but I don't want to step on your guys toes, you know. And he says, nah, man, that's, you know, that's awesome. You know, do your thing. He gave me some tips. The number one tip he told me, be consistent. No, your God. Your brain. Well, he told me, he says, you want to be successful with this? He said, you have to be consistent. And I think about those, that advice that he gave me back then. And I have to thank him for that because he like made a point that's such a point with me that that's how we have to roll. It's such a point. It's such a point with you that when I think I was afraid to suggest to you that we move the show from Saturday night to what night during the week, because I knew you'd freak out. So that's how it got in there. So it was, you know, yeah, that sucks. And when you're talking about how like you're hoping that we like, put some people in some way, like, like reptile radio got in contact with you or something like that, just look at, we should conduct an experiment and just not do a show on Tuesday, like not an ounce, just not show up. See how many people lose their minds on Facebook that we have not shown up or on Wednesday that they don't have anything to download. And that's proof enough that how many people really, really care or really, really want to list us talk, which is amazing to me. But anyway, that's what you were saying. So yeah, so I have this, I have everything's kind of emotion. I'm like, okay, I'm going to call this Morelle Python radio. And I just kind of have this idea, you know, Larry sort of giving me the blessing to go ahead with it. But I don't know how to start it. So it just kind of laid there for a while. Yeah. And about the same time that this was happening, I got, I mentioned this on the post that I put the other day, but I got to give a shout out again. And basically the people, there's, there's two people that really sort of, in a way, I guess, are responsible for this whole thing, because they're the ones that really fueled my passion for Carpet Python. There's actually three people, but the one other one wasn't on Facebook, but I probably shouldn't. He doesn't do it anymore. But anyway, the first was Jason, I went to Hamburg, I'm walking around. And at the time, I was like one of those guys that sort of, I just wanted to do it all, you know, I wanted to have that collection where I had, you know, like a skink, a snake, a turtle, no clear direction, just kind of like all these different things. I'm doing a colubrid and a Python. And there's like, you know, crazy, like neotropical boa or something like that, like clearly. Yeah, I mean, no, no system where you're the guy walking out of Hamburg with a retake, a Hog Island boa and a Taiwan beauty, like rat snake. And you're like, what the hell kind of collection does that guy have? But it's in a box of moon crab. But it's funny because you mentioned Hamburg and you mentioned Jason. And I thought about this a few times. I had to be at that show where you were there talking to Jason like the entire time, bought your Tiger Jack silver, whatever I had to be at that show. Because I've been to every world. Yeah, I probably poof us in a lot of feelings, shit. So it was in December of '09. I believe that at that point, at that point, I had graduated college and I would really start by my own carb if I don't. So I mean, that was the year I got a talent from Jason. So, I mean... Yeah, I mean, that was a two... Well, maybe it was 2008. You know, that had to be 2009 because he was the animal that I bought was had some age to it and it was a 2008. Right. And I actually bought two. I bought a pair. But I'm walking around and I'm like, I'm looking to spend money, you know what I mean? I'm looking to buy it. I want to leave this place with his nake. And, you know, nobody would talk to me. You're my favorite customer. But nobody would talk to me. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, and this is why, like, you'll hear me talk. I'm sure in previous rants about, you know, people that sit on their freaking phone while they're at a show and they're not engaging people. And then they're like, the market sucks. The guy is falling. Put down your goddamn phone and start talking to people. Get them excited about it, you know? Did I ever tell you, like, do you ever see Howard, what he used to do with the shows when he first got started? No. Son of a bitch brought a freaking helium tank and had balloons that said "running reptile breeders." And he would just walk up there and be like, you need a balloon and just tie it to your damn wrist. And then you'd have to walk to him. I mean, that's how I said Howard. I'm a grown man and he's tying a balloon to my wrist. So that's how it works. So, I mean, that kind of enthusiasm and getting in front of the table and talking to people is what we need. I love it because I told you that that rodent guy that was climbing that one chair that fell asleep at his table, he woke up and he goes, "Sales, it's just not going today." And I'm like, "What the hell? How would you fucking go?" So, it's just one of those things. But Jason didn't know me. He didn't know anything about me. He didn't know who I was. I was just the guy walking by and I was blown away, like, floored by this new tiger carpet. Knew nothing about it. I had no idea what it was. None of that. And I walked up and I started talking to him. He started talking to me about the jeans. And I was like, "Man, this guy is cool." He's actually talking to me. And this is so awesome. So, I ended up leaving with a pair of snakes from him from then. And that's sort of what started the ball rolling. I mean, that pair of snakes is kind of like, I still have the pair. I've never read them. But I just have them. They're sort of pets. And that's kind of how it is. They're awesome. Really, really cool snakes. But actually, no. You know what? That was 2008 that I picked them up. I'm sort of, because I do have a pair that I returned back from 2009 when I got another pair from them. Anyway, the other person that sort of fueled the passion for me, so to speak, was Nick Button. Everybody knows who Nick Button is if you're in the carpet pythons. But for some reason, I was scared to death of this dude. If anybody remembers Nick back in on MP, sometimes there would be some heated debates over there. But his avatar was this dude just punching somebody. It was just like a move. You know what I'm talking about? You remember? It was just punching some dude at the schoolyard or something. I'm like, I'm a little scared of this guy. I wanted a snake from him and and knowing Nick. Now, he's not really an email guy. He's a talk on the phone guy. So when you send him an email, he always sends back, "Give me a call." I got to call this guy. And I'm like, I don't know if he gets you on the phone. Because that was the same thing to have it to me. I first called him and I emailed him. He just called me. And I called him. And I didn't realize he was on the west coast and I kind of woke him up. But, regardless. And he had me on the phone for about an hour. And then at the end of it, he goes, all right, so I'm shipping up this snake and I'm like, "Oh, okay." So, yeah, and that's how I got. My first one from him was a Lemke male, adult male. So, yeah. I think at the time, I was one of those guys that kind of contacted him and just was looking for some direction. I was trying to get a feel for like what the whole thing was that was going on and everything. And I had, at the time, Carmels were just sort of like hitting the U.S. Like, there was like three people that had Carmels in the U.S. And I got in my pair of '09s, yeah. It was right around that same time. So, I contacted him and I had asked him, you know, "How do I get that?" And he's like, "Well, there's this guy over in the U.K." His name is Paul Harris. Have you ever heard of him? And I said, "No." And he said, "Okay, it's U.K. Python's. Go check it out." So, I go there. And that was probably the next, that was the next tier. That was like, what the fuck? Like, what is this shit? And how do I get it? You know, I couldn't even wrap my head around it, you know. So, I contacted him back and he's like, "I can get you a caramel jag." You know, for this, you know, I had some crazy amount back then, you know. Oh, I forgot they must have been horrible. I mean, holy crap. So, I said, "Okay." And he said, "This is how it's going to work. They do a shipment, blah, blah, I said, "Okay." So, I got in on that shipment. And next thing I know, I got a caramel jag coming. Well, the shipment comes in and there was a buyer for a zebra jag, which is now the one you own. Yeah, okay. I don't know if it's a story. There was a buyer for the zebra jag and they backed out and they said, "You want a zebra jag?" And of course, you being young and impressionable jumped at it. Well, at the time, zebra jag, a zebra jag at that time, was $5,000, was $5,000. Yeah. zebra's themselves were just showing up in the people who have the ridiculous amount of money, carpet people. And to have a zebra jag, which meant you had a zebra open up. The breed was ridiculous. So, it, yeah. Yeah. So, I said to him, he did it in true nick fashion. You know, if you get this animal, you can breed it to your blah, blah, blah. And I already know that you have a blah, blah, blah. You can, you're going to have a produce, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, "That is a brilliant plant!" They told me, "I don't know if you can do sooner here." That dangerous phone calls happen. It's like a last year when I'm like, "I want to get a zebra jag." And I hang up, I'm like, "Well, I got the zebra jag and I'll buy no in a head exam." That happened. Yeah. So, I picked that one up and that was, that took me some time to pay off. I was on a payment plan, but when I got that snake, I was, that was it, man. You know, I was hooked. At the same time, I was sort of, I always sort of did this balance where I had the cross designer stuff and then I also had the pure stuff. Now, the next big Moralia guy that stepped into my world into my life and sort of put me on a direction was Luke Snell. Unfortunately, a lot of the new people didn't have the experience of knowing Luke. He was, he's not, he's not dead or anything. So, when I'm talking to him, I'm like, "We can kill him." I mean, like, you know this. I think he hit that point. Yeah, he just took a step back and stepped back. Anyway, he was so free, but nowhere near to the capacity. And I think he just does it for fun, which is more power to him. So, yeah. He, he sort of was this, he was big time into iJs, which is where my 12 of iJs came from. It was, you know, talking to him. He always took the time to talk to me, answered my emails. So, I decided that I wanted to buy some snakes from him. So, I, he lives up in North Jersey. All right, I don't know if he's still there or not. But anyway, I decided, why not? I'll take the trek up and I'll be able to see, you know, some of his collection. Well, that was just like, that was a major turning point, man, because not only did he have carpets, he had chondros. Ah, you know, so it's like, oh my god, what the hell is, what the hell is that? You know, and he's like, this is a green tree python and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, he kept them small, like, you know, like, I guess, not like you're supposed to, but he filed the way that these people do. Yeah. And, you know, I was like, that's an adult female. And he's like, yeah, it's an adult female. And I couldn't believe how small it was, you know. And then I couldn't believe that, like, at the time, he had just started producing red jags and red coastles, which if you, that's who V came from, everybody knows that a Jack, I can't believe no. I'm transporting any more animals for you, God damn it. Because every time you have to pick up an animal for you, I'm like, it's just the prettiest red jacket I've ever seen. Holy crap, it's a reduced pattern diamond python. You get, get yourself another, you know, delivery boy, Jesus Christ. Yeah. He's so my favorite animals. So, but this is prior to that, I picked up a pair of iJs from him, which I still have. And, you know, to me, that was like, his collection of iJs was shit. I mean, they were like unbelievable. And the, his passion for those animals and how he would explain them. And like, you know, I was just, it was like, you know, what did they call that? When, you know, when you have like, they call that like a man crush or whatever, just like when he talked, you were like, Oh, I got to stop and listen to this guy because he just, he just was spot on with what he said, man. He was just such a cool dude. I didn't know your connection was Luke was that expensive, but, um, well, no, he's just like, really, I'm not judging. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Anywho, right about this time, right about this time, I'm talking to Nick and I'm telling him about my, you know, you've heard him say many times on the show. It's like, and this would be my advice to people. It's like, if you got an idea, man, just do it. If you screw it up or if it fails, so what? But at least you took the chance and you did it. You gave it a shot, you know, just, just freaking throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. So, after one of those pep talks and whatnot, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to do that podcast. So, uh, I had actually contacted Luke and I was like, hey, Luke, you know, would you be interested in doing a podcast about Morelia? And, uh, he said, I don't really have the time, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I said, okay, um, I guess he's like, I'll definitely be a guest. I'll fill in when, when, when he was our, he was our backup host for a while. He's like, I'll do all that. No problem, you know, but I couldn't commit to, to a weekly thing. So I said, screw this man. I'm locked in. You know, I did a test show that I never aired, but like, like Owen said earlier, it's very difficult to talk to yourself and do a show and talk. Just you talk with no, like, nothing coming back at you to sort of bounce off of nothing. No, it's nothing. You're giving, you're giving a speech. You're basically giving a speech at that point. And, and it's, and it's hard to do that. And it's one of those, you know, the, it's one of those, it's hard to comprehend until you're on there. And I would challenge anybody who thinks that this crap is easy to sit here and make something that you're going to down, let people download and judge you on and not feel nervous. Yeah. And for anybody. Oh, that's smooth. Oh, that's smooth. For anybody for anybody that, for anybody that doubts what I'm saying, this is what I was saying that, that we're saying earlier about going into the bathroom, going to your bathroom, sit there and talk for 15 minutes. See how well you do. You know what I mean? That's basically the, the gist of what it is to do a podcast by yourself. You know, you don't want to read because then it sounds to, um, on today's episode of Maria Python radio, we have, yeah, you got to have some, some, some, uh, some spunk or whatever in your, in your speech and, um, it's, it's, it's really difficult. But anyway, um, I said screw this, man, I'm doing it. So I go and I do this. I remember, I should have listened back to that episode, but probably. If I can't, if I don't want to even think about the episode where we first started, or we're not even going to talk about the one we were talking about earlier. No, if I can't even talk for him that you doing that show by yourself. I, it's like, I go, go into a room in your house and try to talk about a subject and not to sound stupid or weird or stumble over your words. I mean, you have to have coherent thought. It has to be good. That's hard. So I basically, what I did is I went on the forum and I looked at what people were breeding and what was like the current coolest thing going on in the world of Morelia and carpet pythons. And I kind of wrote some notes and I sat down and I did the show. And that's what I was like, that is not, that is going to be too hard to do every week. Um, I need a co-host. I cannot do this by myself. I said, but the one thing that I kept thinking is in the back of my mind is I need somebody that's kind of like, looks at the glass a little bit different than I do. I need somebody that's sort of a, I need to find the guy who knocked over the cup. I need to ying to my yang. I need to, you know, you know, that kind of thing. Because that's what makes for, you know, good conversation and entertainment. And I need somebody that's going to, that has to have a sense of humor. And that's kind of like what I was judging things on. So you're right, I go and I post up this thing on MP and everybody's kind of like, I'm not doing that right now. They're like three comments. It's a great idea. I look forward to listening to it. And I'm like, nothing, nobody's gonna, no one wants to. All right. So yeah, there were several people who were like, good job, Eric. No, no, we put no volunteering to help. So yeah. So the funny thing is, is that this time I'm sort of the new guy on the block. And I am just buying carpet pythons. Like it's no reason for you. I am like buying everything. I got my list. I got my name one. Every list there is. Like if there's a list, I got my name on it. You know, it'd be like, uh, I got the so-and-so. Oh, I got five from that clutch. Everybody tells me all the time and at the time, citrus tigers were hot. You know, everybody wanted citrus tigers. So in 2009, is when I got my first one, I contacted Will and I wanted a pair. And if I told you how much I paid for them, you'd probably smack me in the head. But anyway, I would. I will. Now just printable. But yeah, there's a lot. It was over because we'll probably weigh over the price of both the type of now Jesus Christ. Over a grand. But for a pair. Jesus. See, what's funny is on Will Bird's website, he had his son. I hate that website. That was not your, you were the main reason I hated that website. But there were his non, his citrus siblings or whatever the hell they were calling them. They were like a couple hundred bucks. I'm like, I'll save up for them. Every striped animal, I'm like, you know what? If I had the cash to get that one, they didn't have any price to just inquire next to it. Now in the old days when he said inquire, that was a poor sign that meant that animal was way too expensive for you. So it was funny because I'm like, I'll check on the website. And all of a sudden it's just like, you know, thanks, ED. And I'm like, all right, somebody bought that one. I come in the next day, just thanks, DB. I'm like, did the shing guy buy that one? And then I go like two days later. And there's three of them that say like, thank you, Eric. Thank you, ED. Thanks, Eric. I'm like, what the hell is this guy? And then you didn't just buy, you didn't buy the tigers. You started buying the ones that weren't so tiger. And I'm like, God damn it, he put the ones I wanted. And it's because I talked to Howard. And Howard says the same thing. He goes, I didn't know who the hell this guy was. We started buying all the citrus tiger shit that I wanted. So it was funny, because then you also you contacted me because I had a clutch of high contrast queen queens at the time. And you put your name down on that list, too. So we started this venture, you're already down as a list as one of those animals. So yeah, it was, you were everywhere. And I remember having an actual conversation with somebody because there wasn't any carpet breeder that I knew of near Philadelphia. So like, all right, I'll build up a road and it'll be nice and cool. But the only guy here, I'll go to Hamburg, and then you started buying up like crazy. I'm like, Holy crap, this dude's gonna put me at a business. This dude's gonna buy up everything. He's gonna bring it everything. I'm not gonna have any babies to settle. It's gonna be freaking over. I talked to you. I talked about you to several people going, Oh, man, he saw, I don't know what he like, I don't know if he's got a freaking like, if he found a pirate ship and has a chest of gold, but there's no way you can afford all the animals. Who is this guy? You must be doing it. He must be tough. Yeah, so I find my son radio was to get close to you so that I could eventually just keep your enemies closer and bring you both, gain your trust, kill you, and then take over the field of your region. Yeah, also, I kind of figured as much, but I feel number three. I knew. Oh, so, yeah, so then you, we decided, you know, it's like, okay, this guy's local. He's kind of into the same thing. He's a little younger than me. He's probably he's got a different perspective, you know, he worked at zoos and, you know, blah, blah, blah. I was, I was like, oh, no, I'd let the zoo. And yeah, because I got tired of being a cute toy. So that was, oh, dear God, those days. Anyway, but yeah, it was, it was fun. I know there was something that you also talked about because you'd mentioned to be once, you were nervous about who was going to ask to be in the show. And I didn't think about it, but imagine if a co-host had come from you and be like, I'm in Texas. Well, now we've got to deal with a time difference here. Or, you know, yeah, far as the world, we're like, at that point, we were two minutes down the road. You guys were, your house is near a high school. And I actually bought at that high school for at least a half a year. And I didn't even know that. So wow, that's crazy. In it? Yeah. You know, that's, that's kind of how Moraleo Python radio happened. And, you know, at the time it was, I don't know, it was just kind of like, you know, just kind of rolled and it kind of grew as, as we, as we did it. And we just kind of learned as we went. And, you know, I mean, really, like I said at the beginning, really, I mean, the two things that are really the most important factors to the show is the gas. Baring you. Baring you, asshole. What? Nothing. There's a jerk. I'm reading the chat. Apparently, Darren wants us to walk around Tinley with miniskirt tending out Bill's business cards is what I'm getting at over here. That's not going to happen. I don't have the legs for a skirt. Are you kidding me? Anyway, back to what we were talking about. So that's kind of how it started. And, you know, I remember, I remember when I was we were trying to come up with a website or a way to now remind you that Facebook really wasn't the thing at this point. The forum was still really there. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't do snakes on Facebook. That was like your girlfriend from when you were in high school. That's really what Facebook was about. You know, the forum still has still the thing. So, you know, we were trying to do this thing where we would have an animal to talk about each week, you know, in our like, in our beginning of the episode. So, we had this idea of Moralia pick up the week, you know, and we did it on a Google site. And basically, it was a Google website. And you'd have to go to the forum and search through and sort of look for what I thought was the best ones contacted person and say, we're going to talk about that and sometimes say nothing. Sometimes they would say, fuck off. Sometimes they would say, yeah, cool, whatever, you know. And you would, I would put it over on the site, but that just became too much. And then sort of Facebook kicked in and it was like, oh, let's do this Moralia pick of the week here, you know, let's, let's see what this is about. I have to mention this as well. And this goes into my list of top five shows, so to speak. Because we do have two callers on the line. I don't know if that's our our people or not. Anyway, I remember we were doing the carpet shows and everything was cool. And, you know, that was kind of wrong. But we sort of wanted to venture off and do a Kondo show. And I remember putting it out there somehow. But I think it was on I-herp, I believe. It might have been because I remember we used to run the freaking calendar off of Moralia playthons.com. I mean, they were used to, they used to be home base. I mean, that's everything was there. Yeah. So, buddy contacted me and he said that he wanted to come on and he wanted to talk condos and he wanted to sort of break down the misconceptions of, you know, what people think about condos. But at the time, I mean, you thought those misconceptions, you know what I mean? We were like, Oh, yeah, wait a minute. Guy, if I look at them cross-eyed, what? Yeah, I mean, like, that was, there was a lot of those that were doing that stuff. So, buddy's first show was kind of the one, one of the ones that stood out to me personally is something that I took away something from because that really sort of gave me a different understanding of condos. It really sort of, it is. And I mean, he's on the list of, I know you told me to make a list of the people that I would, that was that my favorite people have on the show. He's on that list as buddy and having him on for the different shows we've had him on over the years, as well as, you know, he's just one of my favorite carp snake people. So, yeah. Yeah, it was, he was, man, he was, he was like one of those guys that, you know, he shared that passion. He shared that, that, that, that, that want to sort of break down the walls of the misconceptions of, of these snakes and, and stop people from spreading the, the, the rumors and the, and the, you know, all these different things. Well, apparently he's on the queue. He's the, he's the 410 number and the queue. More than I think. I guess I should get in front of my computer. What are you doing? You're, you're over by the scotch again, aren't you? Sorry. I was sipping in through the, tell number two Irish whiskey to celebrate. Hey, buddy, we're just chatting about you. I know. Hey, guys. Hi, how are you doing buddy? Congratulations. Four years. What a milestone. Yeah. Well, hopefully we'll be going to like die. So hey, that, that's okay. That's, you know, like 40, 50 years down the road, right? Yeah, exactly. I say we're going to be building the, the building here too, as well as on the, the queue or careful. I want them. Yeah. One of them might be, one of them might be my father. So we care. That's fine. Well, I go on here. Who's, who's 484? That do not push that button. Okay. There's Bill. Hey, Bill. It's, it's Bill from Morgantown. We'll get to him in a minute. Congratulations, guys. Thank you very much. Thanks. Yeah, we were, we were just talking about the, the first show that you came on buddy. And, um, I think that people really want to are really consider and maybe getting into Kondra. I mean, I know you guys do your own show now and you've talked about this on your show as well. But I don't know, for me, that show really, that, that was a turning point in my idea of what Kondros were about, you know, and they were sort of that. Moralia, that was untouchable, unkeepable. Uh, you know, you had to be like, uh, you could only have Kondros if you worked with them. And that was it. You know, you couldn't, you had to be an expert, you know, you were the top. Yep. So, go ahead, go ahead to change that in this conception. They'll have to say my favorite Kondra show you guys did was with Rico. Yeah. That was also, um, yeah, that was a good one. Yeah. So that's, uh, that's an awesome show. That was, uh, I like the ones from ICAST that got horribly out of control. This, that one stumbled out of control so quickly it was ridiculous. And, uh, that was probably one of my favorite shows because I was not in the right mind to be on this show. So, um, and did not help that. So it was, that was actually at ICAST. At ICAST. I, at ICAST, when there was at ICAST, where, um, Casper stole my phone, buddy was doing the show and, you know, I was off in a corner drinking. So yeah, it was, that was probably one of my favorite shows. You guys should do one from Tinley. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why it says no more live shows. So there's a reason for that. Oh man. We kept trying to do one for carpet fest, but that never happened. Yeah. Somehow that never comes to the light, but, um, you know, I don't know, it just, the whole, you know, you bring up the thing with Rico and one of the things that I wrote down about that show, um, in particular is, and buddy, you'll probably be able to, uh, really talk about this since you kind of, you knew him. Um, I was really, really nervous about that show because I was like, a nobody. And here's this guy that's kind of like, he's the guy when it comes to Condros. And I was, I didn't want to ask stupid questions. I didn't want to ask the right questions. I, I wanted, I was just so nervous. But the coolest thing was, is that he had a way of just sort of making you feel at ease. And I remember getting to the end of the show and I was just like, wow, that was just like, that was like talking to Owen. That was probably even better talking to Owen. You know what I mean? I don't know that. Most likely. Yeah. I mean, I don't like talking to Owen. Um, that was just really awesome, uh, to be able to, to have that experience with him on that level. Uh, was, was really cool. Yep. And, you know, uh, it typifies Rico. He was, you know, willing to share and be mellow. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's just, it's the classic example of, and, and I've complimented buddy in the same regard is there are a lot of people out there in the world that are very good with Condros. I mean, Rico wasn't the only one that had a, a, a Condro-like way about him. There are other people out there. The big difference in Rico and trooper and some of the other people are, they had the same kind of, uh, feeling, feeling with people. And that's the big difference in, in those guys. They had it all, you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Well, well, we look at you buddy that way. Same with you too, Bill. I mean, you guys are kind of like, uh, you know, I, I don't know about Owen, but for me, I look up to you guys. Uh, I can't say for him. Eric just went to everybody because he was not that old. So, too many. Not a southern car process. He was taller than a lot of people down here. That doesn't happen very often. You found your people. I mean, why'd you come back? I felt like I was in the land of the hobbits, you know? I was like, wow, my, this is what it is. Finally. Ah, that was the alcohol. Yeah. You were really the shortest person there. Excellent. Well, you, you say that, but, and I don't want to take words out of buddy's mouth, but we're the ones that are riding your coattails on, on the GPT radio show. You know, buddy, I mean, will be the first to tell you he modeled his show after your show, even though Eric, you still can't say GPT, Biki, B-Radio. Yeah. We don't know. Like I said, you guys are, uh, you give the Morellia world a great voice and, you know, four years of weekly shows is incredible. Oh my God. If you, if you can't even imagine, you guys were talking about doing being consistent in your shows. Buddy and I show, we're lucky to go once a month and it's, it's a lot of work for that one month episode. I, I, I can't even imagine what you guys do weekly. Eric, I think most of it, I just show up. Sorry. Yeah. That was, that was the deal. Yeah. Be quiet and just go over there. All right. So yeah, I mean, I could deal with that. Yeah. Good luck. Uh, that's awesome. So yeah, I'm glad you guys, uh, you know, called in and, uh, chatted it up with us. Yeah. Not going to take away, not going to take away from the glory of your show, but, uh, we both wanted to call in and, uh, you know, really, again, give you our thanks and appreciate everything that you've done for all of us keepers in the, the past and in the future. Thank you. And, uh, we, we're seeing Bill at Tinley. Yes. Buddy, you three days, you can't get away. Can you, buddy? I cannot. Nope. Damn. All right. No. All right. Well, well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll deal with the spirit. I'll swing next year. I'll be there in the fall. Fingers are crossed. Awesome. I'm cool. I'm coming up with crunch time with, uh, what I'm doing right now. So, you know, but it'll be over soon. All right. That's awesome. Eric, bring some of that high dollar whiskey to Tinley. Don't break it all in that. Yeah. You should have drink it all. High end low maintenance bill. It's high end low maintenance. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do that. All right, guys. All right, guys. All right, guys. Congratulations again. All right. Thank you. And, uh, here's the 40 more. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, buddy. Say bye. Bye. All right. All right. So, yeah, we have, we have the other caller. We, we do. Um, uh, he's kind of like the, uh, let me give him a little bit of an introduction. I thought his locality has changed though. This is the, this is, that is still in here. So long from Oregon, Terry, and he is now, so, you know, oh, and here on Morelio Python radio, we deal with strict localities. Oh, I'm sorry. Should I, should I get the laundry? You can latitude to the office that we can call him Jim. Yes. But whatever the hell. He's somewhat of a star. Uh, you know, I mean, we talked about the four years show and everybody wants to hear the first episode he called in. I don't remember. Wasn't it out of the freaking blue? He just decided to call us someday when we didn't have a guest. Yes. Like, uh, talking about your love life. I thought you had a dog. No, he knew where I was. He just can't stop himself. Oh, but he was very fast with us. But here is Jim from Morgantown. What's up, Jim? How you doing? I actually right now, it's Jim from Olentatic. We're not in the attic and get me. If you want to let us know, because we're precise on GPS. I'm not in Morgantown right now. I'm in Olentatic is where I live. Okay. Very good. You might live in the attic. I don't. Oh, shit. Where the hell am I? I don't know. Well, listen, I just wanted to give you a quick call tonight and just say congratulations on four years. Uh, you guys have done a tremendous job. Four years at hellet. That's longer than some of my marriages, you know? Basically, Eric, listen, you go through the whole history of Birelli. I got to... You're like a lost soul. You're like a lost soul out there. And you're wandering around in the wilderness and you're looking for somebody to help you. And you stick Owen. I know. Seriously. Let's have too many teller my dudes that day. Seriously. What's it called? Oh, and last questions in the office, like, do we sell insurance dad? That's not what I had. Just say that. Oh, okay. I'm not really sure. Shut up. And obviously, he did a great job. You know, but I mean, you know, you guys, your story is great. What you've done is great. And I just also wanted to say that, you know, I know Owen's going out to Chicago for the weekend, you know? And he left me in charge of the house. So I just want to tell everybody out there, if you're not doing anything this weekend. I want to, stop it. I guess we got ribs. We got beer. We got football. I told you know what a party today. No, he's going to have a carpet that's too. You know, hopefully going on here, you know, as long as we clean up, the landlord doesn't think enough. No, he knows. That's right. Andrew's checking in on you. I think you're a babysitter. In a way, it's a friend of his coming over to pick up something at the house. And I'm thinking about leaving a few whiskey bottles and high heels on the front. It's not just a super camera. That would mess up Andrew quite thoroughly. You know, he'll take one look and be like, oh my God, what's going on in there? Yeah, I get a phone call. Yeah, it'd be great. Put it in the line. Oh, you old man's going in there. I've no deal with a tie on the door. Well, the problem with all that thing is we'll do that to full Andrew and then my wife will show up. Oh, just my luck, right? You know. God. Listen, listen, guys, good luck. Great show. You guys do it. Do it. Great. Hang in there and keep up the good work. All right, man. Very good. Thank you. I'll see you. All right. God, why? That's awesome. It's time. Time for the door. Tell people to go out. I have to get him a babysitter. I have to have Andrew come over, check on the snake and make sure he's not doing whatever it is he and the dogs are going to be doing the wall. I'm sending Andrew over to make sure I still have a house to come home to. Oh boy. All right. Let's see. So I guess we were fire sale at Owen's house. I love it. I'll have everything with me. What the hell are you talking fire sale? I'm going to kill me. Anything that's good? Let's see. I'm trying to pull up my list here. The questions that I have for you, sir, do you want to go? Do you want to go? Do you go question? I go question or like back and forth. Okay. So all right. My first question for you. Yeah. Now that you have a pain drug scale Python, what what will be your new must have species? It's funny that we come full circle because if you remember in the first episode where you interviewed me, what was the animal I said? I wanted the sad morellia. White lips? I don't remember. But it was black phase white lips. And what don't I have? Black phase white lips again. So right now, I would say the black phase are top of my list of things to get. If I'm going to go and replace the rough scales as the white whale, I would say replaces the rough scales as the white whale would be done. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Those are the ones that I'm going to keep my eye open until they become available. But guns are on my list just because I want them for the Li-S suspect. So that would be it. For you, if you could only have one of the species in Morellia, what would it do? Oh, damn. That's straight for the jugular. That's right for the stroke. Having worked with all of the carpets, except for Imbracata, I would say that if I could only have one, I would work with diamond pythons. I would agree with you. It's like who were we talking to recently that only had diamonds with a Greg? Yeah. And he's like, oh, I have diamonds. I turned my room down to 30 degrees. I'm like, that must be amazing. I leave the door wide open. Oh, my God. It's like, I can redo it. I just do nothing but friggin diamonds. So that would be mine there. Okay. Question number two would be, where do you see yourself and your collection in 10 years from now? Oh, it's Tuesday at 10.22. So I'll probably be in the middle of the show. Tuesdays do not exist for me and you. And the ones that do freak us out. It's like during that holiday break. I'm pretty sure I text you just because I don't know what to do. Don't you seem like the week is longer that you've gained an extra day? You're like, wait a minute. It was the one time where we had all the computer problems. I'm like, I guess I'll clean my snakes. And then I come downstairs on Wednesday. I'm like, everybody's clean. This is my normal cleaning day. It's happened. It's like, it's just the way it is. So what I'll see with my collection is I just see some of the breeding projects that I've laid down now come to fruition. Like you got to think about it now in a few years, the whole facts that I have will be my breeders. So the step up in projects is going to be phenomenal because we're starting to get a point now where some of my carbocations are hitting close to 10 years old now. So kind of the time of if I don't have holdbacks from those animals, it's time to get those holdbacks and things like that. So I mean, they might not, I'm not saying they're all going to drop dead. It's just after a while, you might not want to breed them anymore because they are getting up there at age. So it's kind of that stuff. So it would be cool because I've gotten to the point now where I'm seeing the first generation, the animals I've produced in 2010, 2011, are just starting to breed. And I think in the next couple of years, it's going to be cool to see those animals, their kids breed. So basically doing the same shit I'm doing now. But with animals that you've created, with more animals, more expensive shit, my third generation rough scales. Anyway, hold on, I have a continuation to that question. It's sort of a sub question. What species with that and with your collection, what species do you hope to have bred when you're 10 years from now? Do you hope to have under your belt? White lips. Okay. I hope to have the white lips, because I think that would be awesome. And I'm already kind of giving myself rough scales because, you know, but if I don't ever breed rough scales, I don't know. Don't say it. Don't you say it. I'm not, I'm not. It's like still juice. Yep, I would love to produce the white lips just because that's the one I've been hunting for for years to produce. And I'm starting to build up a captive born and bred collection of white lips because my previous white lip collection, a lot of them were wild caught or farm hatched. And now that I totally purge the projects and I'm completely rebuilding with straight up captive born and bred animals, I'm giving, I think I'm setting myself up for success. But there's a ton of animals. Like I would love to produce my savoos. I would love to produce my olive pythons. My rough scale pythons, the white lips. I, here I have a blood python somewhere. Um, it's like there's at that Matt's house. I keep forgetting that he needs it, but no. And no, I have a porno there too. I forget about it. So there's a bunch of stuff I would love to have under my belt, but the white lips, I think would just be watching black lips when let's hatch out of my incubator. I think it was just to be a hike that I cannot get rid of in my head. So okay, I don't know if I said the beforehand, but hold on, I'm going to interject so people know. One of the things that me and Owen decided to do with part of the show tonight was to come up with five questions that we had to ask each other. And it, you know, it could be about anything. So that's kind of what we're hitting on now. Sorry. Okay. What's your question? Question number two, out of all the morphs in Morelia, what is your favorite? Now we're talking base, base morphs. Yeah, like, examic, because of an examic zebra, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So what is your favorite out of all that stuff? Okay. Well, I'd have to say base morph would be tiger. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So what's your favorite, like step combo, like what's your favorite? combination morph or whatever it is? Actually, no, hold on a second. Stop the train. Stop the train. I forgot about something. No, my favorite morph in the carpet complex is the silver peppered inlands. Because they don't exist in my words. They are hands down. My favorite morph, base morph. Yes. All right. So now, what's my favorite combo? Yes. I would probably have to say my favorite combo as of right now would probably be examic granted. All right. Yeah. That would probably be my favorite. Yeah. I did like your zebra. Yeah. And it hurts me to say that. Cool. Okay. So let's see. Who would be the one guest that hasn't yet been on the show that you would most like to talk to? I know you've tried a few times, but Tom Keogin. Yes. Yeah. I agree. Yes. But Tom, I think that would be cool. I know we've asked him a few times. He just isn't really seem to want to come on. And we're not trying to push him or pressure him or anything like that. But he's got so many of that weird off the cup species under his belt. We got a little taste of it with chad gray because Chad's got everything and Chad reads everything, which is awesome. And I'm looking forward to seeing him, it's in like also drooling over your white lips. But anyway, there's it would be cool to have him on in my opinion. So. Okay. All right. So what is your favorite? Marilla Python radio moment of all time. It does not have to be an on air moment. My favorite Marilla Python radio moment of all time. All time. All recorded time. Oh, man, that's tough. I know, right? Are you talking like live on the show? It doesn't have to be. I'm including carpet fest moments in that as well. Or allowing them. Okay. So I would have to say that as far as carpets Marilla Python radio and carpet fest moments. Probably my favorite story is the story to where I got piss ass drunk. And we were doing the off and I kept looking over at you saying, dude, I'm going to get sick. And you're like, 500 for the jungle drag. And I'm like, dude, I'm like, dude, if you hit that hammer, if you hit that gavel on that piece of wood, I'm going to puke in your lap. And you're like, somebody just bought an inland. I think I bought, you know, I don't know what a jungle or an inland or whatever got up. I don't walk out. But he's kind of like, what the hell is he doing? And I went outside. I fell against the tree. I puked my guts up and went to sleep in a car. But even in my drunken stupor, even in my worst, worst, darkest moment, I was able to have enough see through or follow through, or whatever you want to call it, to lock the doors to the car that I got into. Right. Because who fell into those would probably make my eyebrows and I found a sharpie and was so disappointed when I found that door was locked. Yeah. God damn it. And then probably on air. Um, probably the funniest, I'd have to say there was two. Uh, when Jean Bissette says that you were not a proven breeder yet. Yeah, I called me a non-approved breeder yet. And Jasper was drunk out of his mind and yelling on the air by his super capital. I mean, yeah, I was fucking down. Oh, my gosh, that's the best endorsement I've ever had. But, um, good times. Okay. What has been your biggest takeaway from the show after all the guests and all the topics that we've talked about and everything that we've hit, what's the biggest takeaway? The takeaway I got is that there are 10 million ways to skin the cat. There are so many different ways for breathing, for keeping, for feeding, for everything. To watch people go on Facebook or forums and things of that and be told that they're doing it wrong is like flabbergasting to me because I'm like, I, he's not wrong. I've seen, I've heard 10 other people try it. It's just, that's not what you do. So it's my favorite takeaway from this is that how I look at reptiles now, is I like to figure out how everybody does it and then figure out what works best for me. And then find a happy medium where the animal is happy and healthy. But, you know, just because you keep them at this temperature and somebody else keeps them at this temperature, doesn't mean everybody's wrong. Doesn't mean you should run around and make fun of that person or talk down to this person or be a jackass person. Everybody does it their own way. And if the animal's healthy, eating, breathing, you're doing it right. So, right. Yep. Okay. Is your biggest maralia accomplishment date in your mind? The biggest maralia accomplishment to date. Carpetfest. Carpetfest? Carpetfest and probably the podcast. I mean, I kind of go hand in hand. I think that the thing about the podcast is, like I said at the beginning, that people that, you know, when you sit back and you think about, I guess we're in a position where we're forced to think about past things because those things are forever immortalized on podcast airwaves. So, we are fortunate enough to be able to go back and listen to things we said or views that we had or what it felt like at that time to, you know, when you're looking at it with fresh eyes. And I think, you know, to have people, to have a podcast where people can listen and get them excited about, you know, wanting to at least see what maralia is about. I can't tell you how many emails I get that people listen to the show and they don't even keep maralia, but they enjoy it. And they will one day they see themselves doing it, which to me, that's a cool thing because, you know, you have people that are, I guess they're sort of on the fence, you know, or maybe they're nervous or they're scared or they're not quite sure. You know, it's not easy to sell carpet bites on when, I mean, like, I'm going through that now with citrus tigers, right? I know what these citrus tigers are going to turn out to be like, but when I post them, I'm going to first they all ask, you know, it's kind of like, even though I'm posting up pictures of the parents and you can look at both the parents and the freaking screaming yellow and all, you know what I mean? They're just like bright and contrast there. And it's still like you look at them and you're like, okay, I guess so, you know what I mean? Maybe, I kind of see it. It's like, yeah, it's one of those a lot of people just going to wait until they color up. Yeah, so it's a hard sell. But, and then, you know, there's multiple other factors that come into play, but, you know, I don't know. To have, I guess, let me, I guess my change in that answer now that I'm talking about it would probably be that, like I said earlier, if we can affect one person and that person can affect another person, you know, and so the domino effect begins, then I think that we've accomplished what we set out to do. I would agree. That's the idea of the show, you know? Yeah. But, I kind of like the idea of people saying that it couldn't be done. And I really think that the idea of like the fact that it is done. And the Marrelia community has these carpet cests and carpet rows and pod and I'm extremely proud of carpet fest. I think that is one of the best things that we've ever been a part of. And the fact that it's catching on now and we've got multiple ones, like I said, it's a great start, guys. I would love to see more. I want to see international carpet fest. I want to see a bigger carpet fest. I want to see them get bigger and grander and better each year. So, again, great start. I want more selfish like that. So, hopefully we have the ultimate carpet fest. Yeah. In Queensland, Australia, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that will happen. Okay. So this is going to be a different spin on the question. But what was your first moment on Marrelia Python radio? You bastard. Oh, the entire Blake episode. Oh my God. Eric was into scrub pythons before I ever was. And he set up this interview with Blake Bauer and he set it up. And I'm like, I don't know. I'll read this stuff when we get over there. And, you know, and I had been doing a bunch of stuff. So, I'm like, all right, I'll just break my way through the show and Eric gets sick. And he's like, deathly ill, cannot do the show. So, I'm trying to read his notes as well as my notes as well as trying to figure out what the hell's going on. And I wasn't feeling too hot myself either. So, it was like muscling through the show. I cut him off. I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. I, you know, he's talking about this, that and the other thing. And I have no idea what he's saying. And it's funny because three months later, Chris gets into scrub pythons and takes me to scrub school. And all of a sudden, I realized I understand everything that Blake was talking about. But that entire episode, oh God, if I could ever redo Jesus Christ. Yeah, you know, it's funny that we were talking about that before we came on the air. And, basically, Rob Stone had contacted me the other day. And he said, you know, in light of the four year anniversary, I think that we should contact. I should listen to an old episode. So, I decided to listen to the Blake Bauer Owen episode. And so, to put that in perspective so people understand, I was so excited to talk to Blake about scrub python. And I had this detailed, you know, we were talking about localities and we were talking about the different species. And what is the difference in the how many, you know, how they look and like the one of the first shows I did solo, right? Because this was like, this was fairly, we were so fairly new to the freaking podcast at this point. It's like, yeah, he came on, I thought in January of our first year. So, we started in October and he came in on January. So, I was so excited to talk about scrub python. And not even, not even 30 minutes before the show started, I just start projectile vomiting. And I never, and I'm like, dude, I don't think I could do it. And I remember I had to start the show and I had just enough energy to start the show. And I think I passed out on my couch. And I heard something about Walmena. And I think there was like, you know, Tana bars are related to King Horny and I passed out. Yeah, it's one of those shows is that if we really did it today, it would probably be a really good show, a really good episode. But oh my god, at that point, I didn't, I had no idea what I was talking about. I had no idea what he was talking about. You weren't there. I was super freaking nervous. I was just, it was a bad show all around. It was just one of those ones that you wish you could have back. So, what that blake on now, like where there's smarter. And I get to reach myself. So, that's nice. Smart question. Like, what is an obstacle? Okay. All right. So, screen went black here. Hang on, I gotta pull up your next question. All right. I do know you have an extensive collection of non-morrelia. What is your favorite out of them? Who? Non-morrelia. Non-morrelia. Non-morrelia, I would have to say, I'm trying to run down. Sumatran, short two. Sumatran, it was between the Sumatran or your re-text. So, those are the two I was flip-flopping between. So, yeah, I'd have to say there's something about all black snake that just is freaking sweet. I know. It's almost like we really wanted one in a carpet fight on it and we found out they spray painted it. So, yeah, right. And, oh, and God's sad. So, wamp, wamp, wamp. Yeah, that was all the questions I had. I don't know if you had more or anything, but I do not. I didn't have questions for you. So, I know we were talking about our favorite guests that we had on the past. Yeah, but I'm pulling up now. So, we talk about the top five. So, what would be one top? All right. Do you want me to go? I'll go first. My top five would have to be, and this is in no particular order, Eugene Bissette having him on because, I mean, you're talking about a guy who has done it way longer than any of us. And he was very much the whole like, go get your own land, go to do your own thing. And, you know, this way people leave you alone, do whatever you want. And I kind of took that to heart when I was like, because I was thinking about, you know, at that point, I was still living with my mom. And I was talking about trying to go find a place to rent or do that. And it's like, go find your own place. Go get your own place. So, that's what prompted me to be like, all right, stop screwing around trying to find a landlord. It's going to be cool with you, the dog, and a bunch of snakes. Go get your own place because your own house and you can do whatever the hell you want. No, no, no one's going to tell you different. So, that I loved Peter Burch having him on to get the Australian perspective. I mean, we didn't have Peter Burch on. We didn't talk about that. I want Peter Burch on. That's why you're talking about. Are you talking about Darian? I'm talking about Darian. Amy and I. All right, that's what I wanted. Why the hell that I put Peter Burch on. I want Peter Burch on but that Darian has to get a free of. Does. To do the Australian perspective. I love having him on for that stuff. Nick, every kind of Nick's on because I don't have to talk at all. I just let him do it. But, and also, it's like, what Nick says, a lot of times that we're all freaking nerds about various things. And he'll just go on a tangent about the science stuff. And I just drink that stuff up. Same thing with him and Justin is just kind of love that stuff. But he'd be showing me having him on doing the whole contra thing, turning that around as well as, like I said, he's one of my favorite reptile people. And then having Ari on every time we have Ari on every time it comes back from some like God's or sake and jungle on this planet. And he's like, oh, yeah, then we wandered around. We took three planes and, you know, planes in a helicopter at midnight and wandered up a mountain and it was freezing cold and somebody died. And I'm like, what the hell? I mean, that's like, and then we found a Bolins. I mean, like that is to have our like, I live vicariously through Ari because I want to do that. I want to go out a little bit. I'd probably die, but you know, I'd be the guy who died. But you know, I'd at least go and do it. It would be so cool. So, all right, go ahead. Okay. So my top five. So I kind of cheated and I lumped three guests in one thing. But here it was a round table. It was a round table all out. No, no, no, it was the complete carpet Python trilogy. Oh, we had that book book meeting. Yeah, we had Nick Justin and Ben. Yeah, we had them all on. Yeah. That was huge because, you know, the book, I mean, when Nick was writing the book, he was telling me about, you know, about the book, you know, and he would send me, you know, like pre pre pre written thing, you know what I mean? He would send me like a draft of this and a draft of that and ask me what I thought. That was like, that was like the worst kept secret in Morelia. Don't tell anybody about the book. I'm not allowed to tell Eric about the book. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Meanwhile, yeah, you're like, you already know what I'm gonna know. Copies of it, but when that finally came out, it was kind of like, you know, it was, wow, this is something that I can just, this is my Bible now, you know, I mean, it was the more complete chondro and, you know, the ball concept. I keep going to have it a grace and I don't know why, but I keep going to have it a grace and they have a guy who sells a bunch of books and he has the complete carpified on next to complete and for Egypt and then the more complete chondro and I know you over prices. But one day I'm just gonna have to go down and get all three books and just come back home with them all three of them at once because this is probably my third copy of the complete carpified on because I loaned one to somebody and never got it back and then I owned my second one to my cousin and he took it within the college. So I'm pretty sure that you kiss that one goodbye. So yeah, I'm probably gonna go get another one. So that's one of these books. I'm gonna send you a picture of what sits on my desk as I do the show. Oh, and if it's the bottle of whiskey again, I don't want to see how much you crank out of it. Oh, no, I'm holding pretty good for for drinking for drinking that. Yeah, that's true. You have not thought was there a episode we did near Halloween where you got totally trashed on pumpkin beer when we weren't looking. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I just sent it to the to the chat. Anywho, that's all. Yeah. Those are those are all the books in the Marilia Python radio book club. Yeah. For art. Yeah. Let's see. What was I saying? So, okay, so yeah, the trilogy thing was kind of having those guys on back to back and talk about the book and the process of writing the book and all this new information at the time that was coming out. I mean, you know, they had theories on why, you know, why there was jungles and, you know, why they look like coastal and jungles and coastal look the same. If you were in Australia and, you know, what was the deal with all these different ideas of that people really didn't know about carpet pythons, you know, why what's the deal with imprecata and, you know, why why is that, you know, a full species and and bread lie and all these different things of, you know, the care for the diamond pythons and, you know, then you take Ben who, you know, his chapter that he pretty much wrote about reproduction is pretty, pretty awesome in itself, even if you don't deal with carpet pythons, you could take that chapter on itself and really apply it to breeding pythons just in general. So, it was awesome to be able to talk to him about that. So, that was a good one. Another one of my favorites, like we mentioned earlier was Riko Walder. Yes. That was a that was a huge one for me because, like I said, he was kind of a he was a he was an icon. He was a guy that everybody looked up to and being super nervous, but then just him making you feel so chill and relaxed and, you know, talking about Condros and I was just he was by far my favorite Condro guest. Right behind that though would be Buddy because, like I said, again, just his passion for wanting to put forward the correct information on the species really was what Morelia Python radio was about. So, for a guy to be that excited about, you know, Condros in that way, just I thought was awesome. The fact that those guys came to carpet fest and, you know, I don't know. I guess my next one would be the Terry Phillips show. Yeah, that was good. That's probably maybe one of our most controversial shows. That was like letting that was like throwing a torch into the powder room. I mean, dear Lord, I really the thing that I appreciate most about Terry is that his approach. And this is probably one of the things that I took that that I took away from Morelia Python radio over the years is that if you're doing something and it's not working, fix it. Don't know what I'm saying. So, like, okay, so if you have a hot spot and it's 90 degrees and your ambient temperature is 85 and your animal doesn't shed correctly, something's wrong. You know, if your animal's not eating, something's wrong. Don't just be locked into thinking that you have to follow a recipe. It's not we're not baking cookies. You know what I mean? We're dealing with living things and things are different and areas are different and rooms are different and, you know, all these things come into play about how... Hold on one second. Holding. Now we had the wait. Sorry, it was the Dexter. What did he do? My wife was coming home and they always bark when I get so confused. I mean, they think they're great Danes or wolves or something. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't care. What's the first day that you met Zero or he was eye to eye with you and I'm like, well, not a doctor now to me. Yeah. What was I saying? Okay, Terry. Yeah, so the idea that he came on and, you know, I mean, I think one of the things that always stuck with me with what he said is that he would say a rattlesnake lives in an area that it snows occasionally, but you're not going to shovel snow into its cage. Just because the animal has it in an environment doesn't necessarily, it's not necessarily something the animal needs, you know, or wants, I should say. So you really have to figure out what the animal needs and not what you think it wants. So, I mean, that was, that was just a cool show. You know, the idea that he talked about, basically all Moralia, and at the time he was the only guy that had rough scales, really. Yes. And one of the only guys who had Darwin's at that point, that was selling them. Yeah, I mean, he was, he was our only link to, he was honest to gosh, I like everybody had heard of rough scales years and years and years and years and years ago in college, just trying to like figure them out and see where it was and all sort of stuff because there was a category on the carpet python forums, it was really not a, and I had no idea what the hell these things were, and nobody ever posted in this forum because nobody freaking had them. I think somebody posted a picture from somewhere, from some book, so I started looking at a research and I'm like, oh, these things are cool. And finding that, having Terry Philip one was like the first guy that I, we had contacted us that had them. So that is honestly what kind of started the obsession. So, and probably my, well, it's in no particular order, like you said, but my, the one that, another one that I really enjoyed was the episode with Sean Christian. He's the guy that runs, he basically owns MP. I just really liked his straightforward approach to things. You know, we talked about Colin. He really had a good understanding of another one that set the world on fire, another episode. Yeah, yeah, even though, even though his, even though that he did breed designer carpets, he still at the same time had this balance to where he had a respect for the people that, you know, didn't, and they did work with just pure stock, you know, guys like Nick and whatnot. So he had this, you know, he wasn't afraid to say, yeah, I, I call these, I call these, you know, I don't want them on the market and I don't want this, somebody saying at some point that, you know, this is an IJ when really it's some kind of cross, you know, so I could really appreciate the, the honest talk and the, I did, I did really like, another thing that he brought up was he talked about bones pythons and that he said that one of the things about breeding bones pythons was that he felt that because they go into the ground and they barrel very deep, he would wonder if they would, if you would somehow give them some type of burrowing chamber, yeah, that he felt that you would probably, we would probably have more success with, with breeding them. So I thought that was a pretty interesting concept that he had. So that was my, my top five. I mean, who is, yeah, we talked that one herpetologist from Australia, Rick, Rick Shine, that was a good episode, in my opinion. Yeah. For the nerd in me. Yeah. I'll tell you what, there was, there would be one guy that I wish that we would have had the chance to talk to, and it just would have made my, probably my life would be Steve Irwin. I mean, do you imagine? I thought about that today. I thought about that today. I'm like, because I'm written up, I'm like, can I, you know, I almost met, when I was at the zoo, I always had the zoo, I met Jeff Corwin, Jack Anna, Colli Peeling, and a few other animal people doing all the zoo stuff, but, and I almost met his wife. We were going to do a, a, a zoo thing with Perry, but we weren't able to do it, but, oh God, I, if I could have met him, I think I would have died. So that would have been awesome to have him on the shelf. Yeah. I mean, people have their ideas of, of whether it's good or bad of him, and their thoughts, and sometimes maybe said he was over the top or whatever, but I don't know, man, that guy, his passion, I mean, you know, we talk about passion, but that guy is an inspiration when it comes to passion because his enthusiasm is just, it's just contagious. And I think that's something that, you know, that's a standard that I try to hold myself up to. I mean, you'll probably agree, oh, and there are some Tuesdays that it's just like, you know, we got to do this again, you know, I mean, especially if you look at, I mean, if, and, and again, it's, it's not that I'm, I'm not complaining about it, but just to give you an idea, I'd get one day off a week, and that's Tuesday, you know what I mean? So my day off, basically that night, I'm doing the show, and I do it because I do have a passion for it. And I, I really think that, you know, if, if, if, the people that breed and keep these beautiful animals, you know, they should be highlighted, they should, their work and their accomplishment and their, their, the things that they've discovered, you know, should be spread around the world. And people should have a chance to, to know them, and I don't think you get that same feeling from people that you get when you listen to them speak. You can see somebody type something on Facebook or on a form or whatever, but when you actually hear them speak, I don't know, you, you kind of get a, a different feel for them, you know, a different, a different thought on what you thought of them as a person. Right. So yeah, that, that, that, that, that, that. Well, I, I, when it comes with, when it comes to Steve, um, he kind of went through, and it's something like kind of, he said once, and I kind of took it to a little bit, the heart is that, you know, in order to get, and it's a lot of people in the zoo, uh, community or people who are going through is kind of thinking about it the same way. In order to get people to want to save something, I got to get you to care about it. So, you know, the fact that he was willing to jump on these things and be a little over the top and a little crazy and all this stuff to get you to be interested in care about this animal he's talking about, um, it was doing more good than it ever did harm, in my opinion. So, uh, before I stand on it, so yeah, I got to get, I got to get you to give a damn about the turtle. So I got to be like, Oh my God, this is the greatest in turtle I've ever seen. And then you'll care about it. And then I'd be like, it, and even those turtles, great people keep shooting it for some reason. And now you want to save the dirt. So yeah, right. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, that's kind of the, you know, not obviously not on the same scale, but that's kind of, you know, that's kind of like what we're trying to try to do. We're trying to get people excited. Um, you know, and, and I said this in my post, but I know this past year has been kind of, at least for me, maybe not so much for people just on the surface, but I guess the behind the scene stuff. It's kind of been a, it's been an up and down year for, for Moralea. Um, just been some low points, but, uh, there's been a lot of high points. Um, and I think, uh, I think the idea, um, going forward is just, just to keep on the positive path and just, just try to stay the course. It's, it's hard, you know, because I'll be the first one to admit that there are times when we maybe talked about subjects we shouldn't have or, uh, maybe jump the gun on certain things or maybe, I don't know. I mean, I think that, that there's a balance that we have to do. I mean, to a certain extent, we kind of have to report what is going on in the world of, of Moralea. Um, but to, to try to find that balance and to, to make it in not so, uh, such a negative tone sometimes is like, you know, I think the idea, I think this would be something that the one thing that I would say for the next year is something that I really would like to, to forget about talking about is the stupid market. I'm so sick and tired of talking about the market. Um, yes, I mean, it just, it's, it's not, it's not what it's about, at least for me. Um, and I think for a lot of people, it's like, honestly, I don't want to sell the snakes at 75 bucks, but I don't care if I did, because that's not what it's about, you know, it's about having fun. It's about being excited about, you know, what you're going to hatch out this year. And, you know, if you raised up this, this snake, and when you bought it, you weren't sure how it was going to turn out and look how awesome it is and you go post it up and you're getting all these likes and people are like, Oh my God, you know, and they're freaking out because, you know, this animal that, that your hand picked and you raised is now breeding. And then, you know, the ultimate goal is like you were saying earlier is to, to, to breed your animals and create your own stock and raise them up and then, you know, be producing animals, animals that you've bred and produced is, there's, there's no, in my opinion, there's no greater thrill is I'm putting together lineage information and I love it when I'm putting together a lineage information that has to go with echo because it's like echo produced 2011 here, here's parents and I've raised his parents from hatchlings. Like I have pictures of Trinity where her head is as big as my thumbnail. And I mean, you've seen her now, she's seven feet long eating jumbo rats and she's my monster. But it's like, it there's no greater thrill to be like holy crap echoes producing babies. And I haven't held anything back from him yet, but probably in the next year or two, I'm going to be holding back something because then it'll be even cooler when I'm doing the heck. So it, it's just so much fun to be producing your own animals out of your own stock. Yeah, not buying. So, so I'd like to, to take next year and to, I'm just over it. I'm done with it. It's nonsense to even talk about it. You know, it's, it's, it's like, I don't understand, you know, the conversation of bunch. And it's, it's not a fun conversation. No, no, because you know why we're having the same conversation that we're having about the guy that sits at his freaking booth on a cell phone. Couldn't be bothered to engage with people and then wonders, you know, the market sucks. No, you suck. You shut up. And it's funny because I watch people sometimes do the doom and gloom stuff when they have no right to do the doom and gloom stuff. It's like, so, okay, guys, you understand is that places like Fauna and King Snicker are going to be filled with a bunch of people who are breeders and our keepers and our sound people. But the people who are overwhelmingly going to be on there are the resellers and the dealers. You got to look past that. You got to be able to dig deeper and find who you're looking for to buy from those places. Don't get discouraged just because you open up King Snake and the first 12 ads are all from companies trying to sell diamonds that don't look really like diamonds. I mean, like there's, well, you know, I got to pass that stuff. This is, this is what I would lay down. I would even hold us. There's a responsible of this. If you have somebody that's getting into carpets, right? Yes. And for the first time and they go to King Snake and they buy an animal from there, then we'd haven't done our job. Yeah. And I'm not saying that people can't go and buy a pet snake and buy it off of there and be happy with what they got. But if somebody serious about wanting to get a corn drow or to get a carpet or to get, you know, whatever the case may be, they're not buying some of the treaters, then we're not doing our job as a community to make sure that people know about, you know, things like GTP, keep a radio. Ha, ha, I said it. Yes. You know what we're talking about here? Yeah. Or Marrelia Python radio. Or, you know, I thank the people. I thank the people all the time for the people that share the podcast with other people and the people that, you know, put it up on their, on their Facebook pages and get that information out there because you're not promoting us. I mean, if this was about promoting Eric and Owen, we would never have guessed on. You know what I mean? Because we often have about how we hate everything. Yeah. Yeah. But we often would have people on that are our direct competition. You know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't, it doesn't. Well, I put it this way. I mean, almost every show that I vended, Jason Bailins, a few tables away. And I would add his table once. And this is when he and I used to be on the same row at Hamburg. I was at his table once talking to him because it was like, it was one of those shows where I can see my table. Nothing's really going on. But I'm talking with him. And some guy comes over and he goes, I see you're down the lane from the competition. And Jason goes, yeah, I'm like, yeah, but that guy's a jerk. Yeah. I'm like, you know, he was pointing at my table. I'm like, I don't, I wouldn't trust that at all. And the guy goes, you know, I'm like, yeah, you're a jerk. So, and then Bailins starts cracking up. It's like, I'm not, I'm not, you're right. But that's direct. Like, those were my animals on sale down the street from Bailins, animals that are on sale. And I had tigers and he had tigers and Yeah, somehow it worked. You know, but here's, I guess the thing that I would say is that when, when I look at promoting another person that's into carpets and is a good person, and they're doing things right, whether I agree with everything they do or not. But if they're, if their motives are, you know, are on the right path and they're doing a good thing, then if I promote them in a roundabout way, I'll promote myself because you know, as well as I know that you can't just have one carpet python. It just doesn't happen. So eventually you're going to want something and hopefully eventually, you know, I may have something to offer you that you may like. So that's how I kind of look at it. So when we promote each other, we're promoting the whole community. We're promoting everybody that's good in the community and and stop focusing on the negative. Let's focus on the positive. The good things. I don't see people posting good things. I only ever see that kind of like that, that thing that, you know, I mean, I'm not one to really put my feelings, so to speak, out on Facebook all the time, you know, I felt, I felt moved to kind of put to put my thoughts about, you know, the past four years up on Facebook. And I was happy to see that it got a lot of likes and a lot of people commented and a lot of people, you know, are on board rather than putting up a negative thing. And people just go, you know what I mean? It's like it becomes viral and everybody's talking about it and everybody's sharing it. And it's just like, no, no, stop, stop. Just why don't you talk about something that's, take that energy and talk about something that's good, whether it's something that you yourself are doing or something that, you know, somebody, somebody else is doing that, you see, that's good. So that's kind of a kind of a goal for the next year. And I'm sure there'll be times where hopefully we stay the course, but sometimes that can be difficult. It is. It can be. Talk about it. When we get back from Finley Park, we'll probably be talking about the market anyway. But it's one of those things where, you know, there's good and bad, and if you're focusing on the bad, you're going to hate this happy completely. And then by all means, get out of it. And as far as, you know, if somebody calls me up and says they want zebra things, I'll gladly point them in the direction of anybody who I know has zebra's. And those are all usually my friends who breed because I don't have zebras right now or various other things. And these are people who I know will shoot people who are looking for caramels my way. And listen, I may not get you this sale, but I'll get you. I mean, you'll come back, you'll come around. If you're really into Morelia like everybody else, at one point, I'll produce an animal that you'll want. It may be a $700 animal, maybe a $50 animal. I don't care. You know, you'll, you'll, if you're anything like me, eventually you'll find a Morelia in everybody's collection that you'd be like, all right, I'd pay money for that. So it's how it goes. I mean, that's the dangers of knowing all these people. So I think, I think one of the, you know, one of the biggest take, another big takeaway from this show is realizing that this hobby has a way of introducing you to people that you never would have crossed paths with, path with in real life. Outside of this, and imagine if we didn't all have snakes, how would we be? Because we're all different. We all do different jobs. We all have different lives of different community ties, things like that. I mean, yeah, yeah, different views on politics and life in the world. And you know, but somehow we all have this thing that kind of unites us, and this kind of thing that kind of, we can all get excited about and, and, and stand with each other, you know, and talk to each other and where maybe we would have never talked to each other before, you know, I mean, it's just, it's crazy to think that, that, that people that I consider close friends, maybe that I'd never would be, you know what I mean? Like, you're like, never would have. I don't think that you and you would be friends, but you're an awesome thing. I try. It's one of those things of like, yeah, and there's some people like you lived practically in my freaking backyard. And again, we probably crossed each other several freaking times, but we never knew it. And that's just the fun part of it. It's like, you know, your friends have people out in Texas, Seattle, all these other places. I, I, I'm answering emails from people in Australia. It's this great connection that you got. And it's not just with Morelia. I mean, it without the reptiles would be friends with Andrew. I wouldn't be hanging out doing all the monitors shit with him. I wouldn't be listening to all this stuff. It's, it's just the way it rolls. And it's so much better. And that's, that's what everyone should focus on rather than, am I going to be able to sell my $100 snake for $100 or $75? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think that we would be, we would, we would be letting people down if we didn't give a shout out to the, what I call, the Mariah Python, you know, the Mariah Python radio crew, I guess you would say, or the, you know, the, the NPR inner circle. You know, we are brains for us. Yeah. The ones who tell us that this is a dumb idea. And then we go, really? All right. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll try to do it again. Um, yeah, but we won't do that again. So I think, uh, you know, Zach bias from, uh, dark side exotics who will be joining us, uh, in Tinley Park. Right. And, uh, I'm going to throw a little plug out there for him. He has some pretty sweet coastals. And I'm sure he's going to be bringing some because how do I know? How do I know that's though? Because I took care of him. Why he was away in Denmark. And they're pretty awesome. So I told him, I'm the coastal and he's got the jungles. He tried to have me, uh, bring to Hamburg. Those are some sweet looking jungle. They're golden to bring both of those. And it got to have it. Well, I don't have that many slots. I don't have that many babies because it's a crap year. So I got open slots, plus I can pair it like, you know, the brettles don't need three slots. They don't need a slot each. So I told him to bring them. And if we had to, we'll, I'll, I'll get them on a friggin day. Well, it'll work. Something tells, something sells, find me a beer. So I mean, I think, uh, that dude in particular, I have, uh, have a connection with, but he was me and him outside of the snake world, we would have never have crossed past. I probably would. I would have been in the fall. You know what I mean? You would have been looking at you like, you're an asshole. That guy's a dick. I mean, I get, yeah. I kind of look at him like a younger brother. Um, you know, a guy that, uh, you know, well, you know, he, he was one of those guys that, uh, he contacted me to kind of look at my election. And I was kind of, should I do this? Should I not do this? Found out that he lives maybe 10 minutes away from me and he came up. Um, yeah, you know, he's taught me a lot, uh, camera watch pictures and yeah, just, uh, you know, just, he just has a different, a different mindset than, than I do. And it's good to sort of have somebody that sort of, to put you on that, on that path. Um, I think, uh, our next, you know, I consider these guys, these are, these are friends now. It's not just reptile, quaint, um, with Matt Minutola from Philly Herb. Um, he's another guy that, uh, he'll be also with us in, uh, Carpet Row and the cap of Carpet Row, the official and, or, and or beginning of Carpet Row because he'll have, you know, the non-Carpet Marrelia. Yeah, he's the Marrelia, et cetera of Carpet Row. It's funny because I, I've known of Matt for years, but it's like getting him involved with the radio show and then talking to him more and more and more over the past, like, two years is when it's like, actually, I'm like, you know, friends or something used to just be, like a reptile acquaintance. You saw him every show. He had the blood in the Borneos. I knew he was a blood Borneo guy. I didn't know, you know, really anything else about him. So, but it's, uh, cool. The, the idea that sometimes, like I said, that we don't maybe want to, uh, you know, we kind of, is this worth it? You know, when you're, when you hear all the negativity and it's, you know, it's like, oh man, you know what, I just want to, I just want to quit NPR and just quit Facebook and, and not have to worry about it and just pull myself out of the limelight and go into my reptile room and not have to worry about this nonsense, but it's people like Zach and Matt that sort of get me fired up. They like that passion. They get me excited. They get, you know, they, they, they're, they don't even know they're doing it probably, but you know, we have a little thread, uh, that goes on every day, every day, all hours of the day. You know, holy crap, I just saw this. That is pretty cool. I mean, like, and then like, an hour later, you'll finally get a break for work. You'd be like, that is fucking awesome. So it's like, it's very, throughout the day, this conversation is gone and they are to the guys that we bounce ideas off of for the pick of the week for probably if I was on radio, they also kind of give us if we're on the fence about something, uh, when it comes to what to do about the radio show or the pick of the week, uh, they're kind of like an unofficial other voice to listen to. So it's, uh, cool to have that. There are awesome dudes, good guys in the rept, in this reptile biz thing that we're doing. And, uh, you know, uh, I don't know, I don't know what else to say other than, you know, um, they're just, they're just great dudes, you know. And, uh, like I said, I consider them friends now and not just reptile acquaintances or past guests on the show, wherever you want to do it. Um, another guy for me, uh, is Rob Stone. You know, um, Rob Stone is like, I swear that guy's a walking encyclopedia of the reptile business. I mean, I don't think that I've ever posed the question to him that he did not have an answer to. I mean, so specific indeed, that guy must be like, uh, he must have a mind. Like he just like memorizes shit, like a photographic memory or like, I don't know how to explain it, but I'll just be rambling something off and he'll be like, oh yeah, there was a book that came out in 1976 that had, you know, it's like, what? What, what? I'm like, holy shit, the dude's right, you know. Uh, yeah, there was a shipment that Bushmaster got back in 1992 and, uh, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it's awesome, dude. Um, you know, he, uh, he really likes the show. He can relate to the reptile radio thing. Uh, he was a huge fan of those guys as well. Uh, he's actually been on their show. Um, you know, I don't know. I have, I have text messages that go with him, uh, you know, all the time, all hours of the day. Um, uh, so yeah, basically, you know, all day long, I'm talking to people. You know, it's just looking very ripped out. It never stops. Um, but, uh, no, I mean, that they are all inspirations to, to, to me. And, um, you know, I don't know. And I mean, as far as, well, I guess there would be, I think we talked about this before, but the fact of there being no, uh, Maria Python radio without the two of us. Um, I think that although maybe sometimes, you know, I may get the email or the credit or the, you know what I mean? Like, you know, the fact that, the fact that Owen's been here for four years, given up is Tuesday night, you know, I mean, that's huge. Cause that's not an easy thing to do, you know, and, um, to say, okay, I'm locked into this and we're still going strong. Cause I don't think that the show would be the same, you know, it's kind of like Van Halen and breaking up and, you know, getting, getting to the third singer. And it's like, yeah, he's a good singer, but it just don't work with you, you know, it's, I don't know. You, you walked me at singer number two, but I gave you a chance here. Well, yeah, it's, yeah, it's like, you know, and it's, well, when the band breaks up and they get a replacement, it's just, it's not the same, you know, so just work out that way. Yeah. Got up to you, Owen there. I'll drink it. Thank you. I don't tell one more dude to you. Uh, but, uh, yeah, I think, I think I hit on, on everything I needed to, you know, Tinley Park is this, is this weekend. Yeah. We leave. That always keeps me pumped. Yes. I, it's good. Dude, I am, you have no idea how, how, how, how I am looking to this. I mean, it's like, it, it, I get to go on a road trip with my friends, which is always fun. Um, little sucky. I don't like driving through Indiana, but it's like, um, it's not, there's nothing there, but, um, I get to go on a road trip. I get to tell show, the biggest reptile show that I can think of where that is incredible. Those, you see some of the coolest shit at Tinley Park. So I'm looking forward to that. And then I'm looking forward to trying to sell some of my snakes. And then I'm looking forward to hanging out at bars or all my reptile friends. It's like, I cannot fricking away. So time for snake stuff, good food, good drinks, good people, family reunion. So. And if Peter birch, if you're coming, if you're listening and you're coming to the, we will make you come on the show now. And ARBC, um, you have to make sure that you stop over and you say hello to us at, uh, Morel, you Python radio. And we will definitely line up a date. Um, you to come on. But, um, Oh, and once you're on the show, so bad. So badly. He's actually been like, he had a dream show. I thought he was on our episode. Yeah. I'm pretty cognizant all of a sudden. It's amazing. So, um, like disability break. I see the future. Yeah. Tinley, Tinley, I'm with you, man. I'm pumped. You know, it's, it's going to be awesome. Uh, the idea of just hanging out for the weekend. Uh, just, you know, being at the, it's crazy to think. Hold on. Let me put this perspective. It's crazy to think for me, maybe not for you, but for me to think that I am a vendor. At one of the biggest reptile shows in the country. I'm a vendor there. Mind blown. Funny, because you went out there and I've been doing reptile shows and vending and you didn't really do too much. So I'm like, yada, yada, yada. Okay, whatever, you know, go out to Tinley Park and you come back, eat them back. You're like, it's so much better and different than everything. I'm like, what? It can't be that. And then I went out with you last time, but I'm like, Oh my God, this is awesome. So I, I've been looking forward to this since we left last year. So it is, um, it is definitely one of those, uh, moments that you really feel good about your reptile business and good about yourself is that, you know, you're not, you're not at a reptile show where, you know, uh, every other vendor is, I was at a reptile show earlier, uh, last week, um, and it was in Maryland. And that is all I will say about it, but they were selling ball pythons and boa constrictors and what looked like, you know, those pretzel containers that come with twist on lids? Yes. Yeah, they had boas crammed in there. The lids run and then they drilled holes in the lids. And that's what they had on their tables. They sell their snakes in. Wow. And I'm like, wow, I need to be that guy. It's like, you know, I'm like, I'll be kidding me. Like, and then you go to someplace that's going to be far, where everybody has really nice acrylic displays. Everybody looks pretty, everything looks nice. It's not, you know, it, it, it, it's night and day. So if that is nothing to try to convey is that, you know, if you're going to go out and you're going to do this, you're going to be a part of the rest of the community, be a good representation of the rest of the community. Don't be that guy. Don't be the guy who, you know, has shipped new ships animals that are dying or have mites or respiratory infections. Don't be the guy who's selling animals out of clearly what were salad containers that he went to like the Acme and like shoved all in a bag. I mean, you know, there's don't be that guy. If I can make that into like some stupid hashtag or whatever the hell, don't be that reptile guy. Okay. You don't do that. And I think better. I think, I think it was on some posts that some, I don't know if somebody was complaining about complaining about the, I don't know if it was the market. I don't know. But Howard jumped in and he basically said, hold yourself to a higher standard. God damn right. Hold yourself to a higher standard. Yeah, maybe all these other people are this way. And yeah, it's this, but damn it, man, hold yourself to a higher standard. I thought that was, it couldn't be said any better. I mean, yeah, I mean, go do that and I'll do my stuff. Yeah, I mean, you know, I hope, I hope that there's, you know, four more years or, you know, there's many, many more years of Morelio Python radio because I'm still excited about, about Morelia and Carpet Python's and God damn it, man, this tons to do. There's so much to do. I believe I've told you that I'll be breeding snakes, keeping snakes and doing this radio show into laying dead. They're going to have to wheel me out of my snake room, be first. All right. Yeah. Because if you know, if I work hard at my job job, eventually I can retire and do the snake things full time when I'm like 70. So, you know, I'll do that. Sounds good to me. So I want to be that old crazy guy with his Carpet Python that, you know, I want to have crazy hair. Who said dude, I'm like, he's always on like the alien shows with the crazy care. You know, I'm talking about, I'm waiting to, I'm waiting until I get into my sickies and then I can rock an old man beard just like, you know, who's that crazy asshole with the beard that's going? Oh, yeah. We're basically at that point, your whole thing. I don't know. I don't know. Who cares. Walk away from me. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Whippers, every with a stick. Anyway. So that's it. Yeah. I mean, man, there's so much, so much to do with with Moralia. So much selective breeding and so much, you know, forget even to take this, take the morphs off the table. I mean, I look at the morphs that's we're in the, we're in the, we're in the early stages of that stuff. I mean, there really hasn't even been like selective breeding done for these various things. I mean, we have yet to put GQIJs into Granites. I mean, that has not happened yet. Now, imagine taking that and putting them into Exanic Granites and just like, you're going to see eye guarantee in 10 years from now, you're going to see animals that are going to blow your mind, you know, worth it. You know, at the beginning of the show, we were talking about how Owen and I came from it from a, from a time where an IJ Jag or dare I say, I remember seeing most jungle jags and saying, what the holy shit is that? You know, like, oh my God. We're, we're, we're albino carpets. We're something no one ever talked about, because there was like two in Australia that nobody knew about or anything else like that, where zebras were $10,000. I mean, it's like, you got to think about this stuff is like out of the morphs and colors and and and and line breeding and stuff that we've seen. Guys, when I started, there was jaguars, try stripes and tigers. That was it. Yep. And, you know, like, I think of, I mean, you take, you take just the subspecies of the complex, jungles have gotten the most love. And as you can see, look at what they look like. IJ, I think he's going to get even better with line breeding. We haven't even touched the surface with inlands. Not even came close to doing anything with Darwin's. You know, I mean, I don't really like that that side of the morphs, but I mean, like, that it's. Yeah. I mean, there's so much potential, so much potential. And if, and if you're looking for something that's a little outside of the box, you know, you have diamond pythons, which don't really fit into that, you know, cookie cutter, jungle, coastal, IJ, what? Darwin breeding. Just like red light in inland diamonds. They're a little bit more expensive side, but you know what? They're, they're not that hard to keep. I mean, I was terrified of diamonds being like, they were going to die at any moment. You had to drop them down. They don't live fast at a certain point. But these are all mixed guys. Diamonds are just as obtainable and just as capable as any other type of Morelia. And in my opinion, a very cool species. So if you're into carbon pythons and you want diamonds, go get freaking diamonds. They're awesome. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, like that, I think that's, that's, that's what drives me to want to work with just the Morelia complex, because there's everything that you could possibly want right within this group of snakes. I mean, then you, you look at, look at some of the condos and some of that stuff that's, that's been done with those guys. And you know, if you're into localities, I mean, you know, like designer, designer, whatever you're into, there's, there's so much potential, so much left to be done with, with the just, everybody wants to, everybody wants a black and blue condom. Yeah. Everyone does find me a person who doesn't. They're head turning, man. I mean, you look at that animal and you're like, I got to tell you, man, I've, I've been, you know, like locality is kind of the thing for me. But after going down and seeing some of Bill's stuff, and it's just like, what? Yeah. What? I might have to rethink this, this whole thing here, but just amazing, amazing animals. They're so, the fact of where they come from, they're so easy to work with, because they're so, what's the word I'm looking for? They're so resilient to maybe not so much con, well, I kind of think Condros are too, but the Condro people would kind of probably disagree with me, but they're resilient to keep her, you know, I find that carpets are kind of like bulletproof. I talk about my, you know, my, my snakes that were in the basement, where the, you know, when it got as cold as it did, I mean, you're looking at 50 degree lows at night, you know, and as long as that hotspot kicked on during the day, they'd go up, they'd warm up, raise their temperature, they're good to go, you know, they'd go in the hide box and crouch down and, you know, get ready for, you know, retaining that heat through the night, boom, the light kicked on, they'd go back out, you know, perfect shed, always eight, I don't know, man, you can't get, can't get a better snake, in my opinion, but I'm a little biased. Of course. So, uh, I think I guess the last people that we would thank would be the fans. Thank you for everybody's support. I think everybody out there, this is kind of why we do it, and I'm glad that everybody that listens gets something out of it, and, you know, keep that feedback coming and letting us know what you want to hear and where you want us to go. And hopefully we have many, many more years of Mariah Python to bring you. So, yeah, I appreciate it. I know Owen appreciates it. So always, yeah. And without you guys, the people who download us, listen to us live, who comment on the probably pick of the week, without you guys, there would be no show. We wouldn't do this. Eric and I can hear each other talk without you guys. So, um, yeah, but we do this because apparently you guys enjoy it. So, uh, and we're going to keep doing it as long as we can. And we, we get by and we love the support. We love the emails, the comments, the, uh, suggestions, um, keep them calm and keep listening. And, you know, thank you. Yeah, the one thing that I would ask you guys to do, that if you do like what we're doing and you do want to try to, uh, support the Mariah community, you hear a guest you like, spread it out there, share the show, you know, uh, share the link to it, you know, somebody has a question and somebody answered it on the show, you know, share it, just share it, you know, I mean, you can get it all just so many items. It's on our website. It's on, you know, I put the links up on Facebook and, you know, just share it. Um, and it'll spread the Mariah love, you know, and that's how you make the community better by growing it and, uh, bringing new people into it. And, you know, the next group of Rico Walters and Nick Mutton's and Jason Bailins and, you know, uh, they were all beginners at one point, you know. Yeah. So, that's kind of, uh, kind of the idea. Uh, so if you are at Tinley Park this weekend, we will be at Carpet Row. Be sure to stop on by, say hello. Yeah. If you're curious about carpets, Carpet Row is the spot to be, um, because if Owen or I do not have an animal that you're looking for or we're interested in or wanted to see what it was about, I am sure somebody at that row will have an animal that you can check out. Uh, maybe you were wanting to buy one or maybe you wanted to talk to a breeder about one. Um, uh, don't be afraid to come up and talk to us. Uh, you know, that's kind of why we're there, you know, to, uh, to put names with faces and, and meet new people. So, uh, it's exciting. And, uh, I know that sometimes it can be difficult to, uh, talk to people at a show, but, uh, you know, if you want to, uh, hang out after the show, um, you know, feel free to, uh, to come by and have a drink with us. Yeah. Yeah. We'll, uh, if you guys, yeah, I know there's a bunch of people who are talking to us about wanting to hang out of Tinley. Um, if you feel like you want to hang out, drop us a message on Facebook or something like that. Uh, we'll tell you where we're going to be at. We kind of try to like keep it close to the hotel, especially if we're drinking. Nobody wants to go get themselves killed and Owen's insurance agent mine clicks in every once in a while. So, um, the, don't do that. You'll be avoiding this. Oh, God, damn it. So, um, we'll, uh, if you guys want to, if you want to drop us a line, if you guys are free, we'll let you know where we're going to be at. Obviously, there are a bunch of restaurants and, you know, we'd love to have you guys come out with us. We're going to go hit that food there, that food there. Drinks here usually end up in bananas at some point at the night and, uh, and so we'd love to sit down, chat with you, get a drink, get something to eat. Um, uh, I've already scheduled several hobbit fights for Eric. Um, you think I'm joking. So, I'm in. Good. Who am I wrestling? Jamie and Jamie, uh, yeah, yeah, we talked, I'm going to be on the treadmill tomorrow. You better start working. You're running to Chicago. As long as, as long as I can get, uh, bias will jump up on my shoulders and I have a flip flop. We're good to go. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. I mean, we'll be doing that. And, uh, so you guys definitely want to come out and hang with us at Tinley Park. Drop us a line. We're pretty open. We're probably never going to say no. Uh, we'll just tell you where we're at. And then it's, it's up to you to get to where we are. So, all right. Sounds good to me. So cool. Um, we have, uh, next week, we're just going to do a Tinley cap, uh, Tinley Park recap. Um, and we're probably going to roll out the, uh, the camp calendar. Yes. I just put mine over to October and I'm like, holy crap. I don't have any more. Yeah. We, I looked at the shows and by this time last year, we had already done it. Um, but, uh, yeah. So we're a little behind with that, but we're definitely going to get that going. Not sure how we're going to, uh, facilitate it this year, but, um, Owen and I will have plenty of time to, uh, to talk about it over the weekend and, uh, and we'll be introducing. We'll be able to, uh, introduce that on Tuesday where you got to go and, uh, you know, hey, man, it's a cool thing that if you can get your snake in a calendar and then everybody gets that calendar and they open up to October and there's your snake. Um, you know, I mean, that's another way to sort of, uh, you know, get your name out there. You know, so, uh, it's, it's, I, I hang my Marley Python radio calendar in my snake room and I write down everything from show dates on it to when, like, if I have a female that's having her prelay, she has a prelay and I walk right over to the calendar, even before I clean it, I see the shed, I write it on the calendar. So now it's not a thing of, oh crap, I forgot to document it. It's right there. It's all right there. So, and I know when the eggs, I know when the eggs are going to hatch because I know when they were laid because I saw her with them and I wrote them that I wrote it down. So it's, uh, it's a excellent commodity, excellent tool. And like you said, it's just getting your name and your snake out there because people will see that Condro and it has your name typed up underneath it and they're going to maybe I'll count it probably this guy about a Condro. So, uh, or whatever. Definitely awesome. Uh, so yeah, that'll be, uh, the next week's episode. And then, uh, the week after that, I believe is the 27th. And I'm pretty excited about having, uh, Scott Eber come on. Um, uh, he was messaging me the other day. Well, I, I guess when he first started messaging me, somehow he stumbled upon the podcast and, uh, Scott is from Australia. Um, Scott had many pictures, uh, in the complete carpet Python book, as well as I believe the complete children's Python book, uh, about, uh, pictures of wild, um, you know, pythons down in Australia. So I guess he's heard me say multiple times about how cool it would be to come down there. And I think the first picture that he must have sent me was a picture of a coastal carpet on his, uh, on his backyard fence. And he's like, yeah, my yard. And I'm like, uh, man. So, uh, we've been going back and forth with messaging and whatnot. And he's been showing me some of the places that he's been, uh, and some of the species that, uh, he's come across, which I believe he's pretty much come across all the pythons. But I think maybe three or four, I don't think he's found all in Pelly's. And I don't think he's found in Bracotta as of yet. However, besides that, I think he's pretty much ran across everything. That's a lot of them. Yeah. And so we're going to be talking about, um, field her, it's going to be a field-terping show, uh, and it's going to be based, but, uh, based Australia, uh, so, and who better to talk with than an Australian? Um, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. He's been out in the, in the bush, uh, and he's been out there and he has firsthand knowledge of what the environment is like and what these animals look like. And I think it's just going to be a really cool episode and, uh, just a different perspective on, on what we do because his experience of being out there in the wild is, I mean, I know we keep snakes in a box and all that stuff, but, uh, I think, I think that'll be, uh, be a really cool episode. So, um, that's pretty much locks us in for October. And then coming, uh, I believe the first week of November, um, Tyrell, uh, is going to come back on. But this time he's coming on to talk with us about blood pythons, uh, his partner, April. Um, she's kind of giving him the go ahead to sort of come on and, and, and talk blood pythons. And for some reason, blood python, our blood python guests are hard to get. They don't want to talk, man. They just don't want to talk. So we'll take whatever little talk we can get, uh, about to get our blood python fix. You know, if somebody's willing to come on and want to talk about blood pythons or Borneo's or, you know, Sumatran's or whatever the case may be, um, we're, we're going to try to get that, get that 50 more. Yeah. So we're kind of locked in for that. Uh, don't forget the, uh, t-shirt. How many days are left on that, Owen? A couple of days? Three or four. Yeah, not a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So if you haven't gotten it and you're, you want an NPR shirt, uh, you know, for just such occasions, like Pinley, where you can rock it out. Uh, people will know, uh, you know, that you support the show and all that stuff. Um, it's cool. Uh, go over there and pick it up. All proceeds go to US arc. I haven't checked it. We have seven days to go. Seven. Okay. Yeah. And we have sold 23 shirts. So we're actually going to be filling the order, but we've only raised $38 and one cent. Okay. That is bad. All right. Well, it's better than nothing. Uh, we'll still, we'll give the $40 US arc, but, um, yeah, we'd like to give a little more, but they do need every single freaking penny. Yeah. So there we go. Um, seven days. And then it did the next time we do a shirt like this, it'll be a different design. So, yeah, I think we're retiring that one, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny because somebody, uh, I saw someone at Oakes a few weekends ago and they were wearing the shirt that we're selling, the black and rally python radio and it was so faded and like grayish and he goes, I love this shirt. I need to do one. I'm like, it's up right now. Go get it. You know, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, this will be the last time we do this. So run over there. You got seven days, seven days. If you're international person, buy the shirt, have it shipped to my house with your name on it and we will mail it to you after it gets here. All right. So if you, if you want to contact me on Facebook and I'll let you know what to do with that, but you only have seven more days. Go now quickly. So yeah. Uh, and, uh, I guess, okay. So we took care of that for, uh, the, uh, show, morality, python radio.com. Uh, you can follow us on our Facebook page at morality, python radio. Uh, you can follow us on Twitter, uh, morality, python, um, and then our website, like I said, is morality, python radio.com. We kind of look at that as the hub for all things. Moralia sort of points you in the direction of different things. Maybe you're curious about subspecies, morse, whatever. It's all there, different books where you get the books. It's all there. We try to put up papers and such as we have guests on and talk about it. It's all there. Past guests, where are their websites, their Facebook pages, all there. So, um, if you want to curious about, uh, Moralia at all, that's kind of the place where I would point you in that direction and which sort of shoot you in the direction of what you're looking for. Um, uh, and if you have questions or comments or whatever, you can send them to info@moraliapightsonradio.com. Um, I think the last thing that I have for myself, ebmoralia.com. I've been putting a lot of work into the website, uh, this week, uh, I'm putting the finishing touches, uh, on some things that I've been working on. I have a, uh, care sheet page, so to speak. Um, and I sort of, uh, try to get into as much detail as I can. Um, and it's still a work in progress and it's going to continue to be a work in progress. And it's my approach to keeping carpet pythons. And it's my sort of, um, I'm filtering things that I've learned through trial and error. I've learned through listening, talking to various guests on the show. Um, and, uh, just my overall approach to keeping carpet pythons. Um, I also have a breeding page that I started. And probably by the end of the season, it'll be completely finished because, uh, throughout this season, I'm going to finish taking a whole round of pictures. Um, I just want to use it as sort of a base. This is kind of how I approach it. I don't claim that this is the end all be all, like we said earlier, but this is just my approach. Um, if you go to my website and you click on keeping, um, keeping and breeding pythons, the, you know, the tab on the index, um, click that. It'll take you to a page and it'll say keeping carpets, breeding carpets. There are two separate pages. You can click on that and it'll take you to, uh, to that and you can check that out. I've also started, um, which this is a little more in depth to do. And this is sort of at the, the basics of this is that if you go to my collection page, you click on the, uh, the, uh, subspecies, it'll take you to a page that will show you, uh, tell you a little bit about that subspecies, the size and all that kind of stuff and, uh, the different morphs and the different lines that I'm working with. Uh, and then below that, you'll be able to see some of the animals in our collection. And as I get the names and what lines they're from, et cetera, et cetera, I'll be adding that up. Um, so check that out. I also do the, uh, birth records page where every year I kind of, uh, have the clutch. Um, I have the animals, what all happens. So it kind of makes it easier for people that want lenient jinfo where they can just, I can just point them to my website and they can go check it out, uh, for themselves. Um, if you ever pass on an animal, it's all right there that you can check out. Um, I do have a bunch of animals now available. Um, uh, I posted them up on the, uh, breeder, what is it? The Moralia Breeder Direct. Yeah. It's the actual name of it. Yeah, right. Yeah. Um, I write on breeder's, you're a, uh, breeder direct, Moralia class of heights. Yeah. Yeah. Um, over there, uh, I have them on my Facebook page, EB Moralia. They're also on my website, EB Moralia.com. Um, so, uh, most of those, well, all of those animals that are available will be coming with us to Tinley. Um, and also I should note that, uh, if you are coming from out of state and, um, uh, you want to pick up an animal, but you don't want, if you're flying in or whatever, we can always use ship your reptiles, uh, and they'll ship it out to you from the show and it'll arrive at your home, which is, uh, which is an awesome service that those guys do at ship your reptiles. Um, so stop on by, see what we got if there's something that catches your eye. Let's talk about it and, uh, let's see if, uh, we can, uh, get you hooked up with, uh, with a cool carpet python. So, um, that's all I got. Go ahead, Owen. Take us out. Cool. Uh, what I got is you can go onto rogue-reptiles.com. If you see any babies you want there, please let us know before Tinley Park. Uh, do not wait. Uh, don't expect us to add the baby you want or for it to still be there when you get there. Um, after Tinley Park this weekend, we had the Hamburg reptile show over the weekend after, um, depending on how many babies we sell at Tinley. If we, if we have a good Tinley, I might not be there. So, um, but for right now we're going to go on that. Uh, if you are, uh, if you have purchase animals from rogue, um, we have a new page on our website, which is the lineage tab. When you open up the rogue Facebook page, it has a lot of parents that we've done over the past three years. Um, uh, the lineage information is right there for you to copy, save it, and then you have the lineage information of the baby that you own. Um, if you are, if you are, do have an animal from rogue and you don't see the lineage information for that baby and you want to contact us and we'll make one up for you. That's fine. That's totally cool. We'll put it right up over there on the website. Whoever needs it, awesome. So, uh, again, thank you very much, uh, for all of you who've listened to us for the past four years. And, uh, we hope that he see you all next week for our, uh, post Tinley show and for some more. Moralea Python radio for the next four years. Thank you all again. And, uh, good night. Hey, Chad Brown here. You may remember me as a linebacker in NFL. Where's a reptile breeder and their owner of Projekt. I've been hurt since I was a boy and I've dedicated my life to advance in the industry and educating the community about the importance of reptile. 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