Morelia Python Radio

The Southern Carpetfest recap.

In this episode we will be talking about the first annual Southern carpetfest. The idea for carpetfest started with us throwing the first Northeast carpetfest in 2012. We took the idea from the chondro community and it was a big success. Now we are seeing these events pop up all over the U.S. It is a great way to get to meet fellow keepers amd breeders on a more personal level. If you have the opportunity to attend one of these events you should take full advantage and get yourself in gear to get there, I promise you won't regret it. http://carpetfest.homestead.com/

Duration:: 2h 16m
Broadcast on:: 16 Sep 2015
Audio Format:: other

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We're going to talk about how you did this wonderful vacation over to Bill's house, which, dear God, whatever the hell Bill does, I should have done that. [Laughter] Because you're sending me pictures of all his entire house. I'm like, "Holy crap." So, clearly, I passed on and failed miserably there. But apparently picture, yeah. If any of you ever used from Bill, I don't know if I can afford that. You're allowed, you now have my permission to smack him across the face because he's lying. [Laughter] But I'm sure he's listening. I'm sure he knows. But also, it looks like they had a great turnout. And it looks like there was a lot of fun. And, of course, you got hammered and did, you know, impressions that you normally do that. I try to keep you away from the public eye when you do that. Yeah. I got drunk and sober. Yeah. Drunk and sober. Again. Yeah. [Laughter] All in the span of Saturday, drunk, sober, drunk, sober. The problem is that I know when you are because your text are like clear, coded, nice to the point. I don't know what he's saying here. This isn't, that's like a picture of a wall. So, yeah, it's like, you know, there's, then he's back to clear, coded. And I'm like, all right, well, either somebody else has his phone right now or he's okay. But, but no, it looks like it was a great time. And I am honest, I got kicking myself that I couldn't make it, but I will try next year because I can't keep sending you out to these things by yourself. No, no try. There's no try. There's no try. Oh, we do. Yes. Well, this is how I, this is how I look at it. And this is really, let me start by saying this. So, what was it? In 2012, right, so we decided, yeah, we decided that we're going to try to put together this carpet fest because one of the coolest things about carpet platforms and the Moralia group of people is just that, the people. Right. So, it always seemed like it was a pain in the ass to get to talk to people, it shows. And, you know, when you really, you want to try to pick, you know, the breeder that you look up to or whatever, you know, to really, to really hang out and, you know, I not get into this, but when you're attending me to see, this time I was in a 10D, I didn't, I didn't put anything to get, you know, which I saw for the 10D guys. And the thing of it is that I didn't know, I knew them from online, but I didn't know them personally. And when you get to know somebody face-to-face, you get to talk to them, there was a couple guys, and I'll go through it as we go through, but there was a couple guys like, you know, I want to hang out with them again, I'll fly down there this next weekend. So anyway, so we put this together, this, this carpet fest, and we didn't know whether or not it was going to be a good thing. And I think at the time, the only thing that really held us back was where we were going to have it, and then Howard jumped in, he said that he would host it, and then that kind of went strong for a couple of years, and then we moved it to your place. But then you see these little, like, other carpet fest popping up. And you know, we really took the idea, apparently Trooper Walsh used to do this back in the day and have these little get-togethers, the condro community. And you know, I just think it's a great way to just get, get on the level with somebody that you can get to know him in a personal way. So first I have to send out a huge, a huge stank to Bill and his wife, you know, to let me crash at his place, and man, I can't tell you, you know, they treated me like I was family. They were awesome. It was really awesome to hang out with Bill. He's always somebody that I kind of, kind of really looked up to in the reptile community. But to actually hang out with him on that kind of level, really, like, took that up at another notch, you know, super, super, super awesome guy, and man, his wife can cook some good food. You missed out on that, oh, good Lord, damn it. My diet went out the window, man. But when we started carpet fest, we, you and I, of course, talked about how, like, oh, it would be awesome if, and the first awesome if would be, you know, that we could have it go for continuing like numerous years. And then the other one was, if other carpet fest around the country could crap up. And the fact that we're now up to like, what, four is amazing to me is that we started this and that we have five, five, five, five, yeah, five, but they sell it off the school district right there. Anyway, um, but the, yeah, but the, it was, it was just one more thing where it's like, now we got the car professor rolling and, you know, of course we, we, if there's room for more, please God more because it's awesome. And I definitely love it when it brings all the different Morelia heads together from different parts of the country. I would love to see carpet fest internationally. If somebody was going to run one over in the UK, over in Europe, over in Australia, maybe I'm looking at a lot of you guys in Australia can, but shit, but you know, possibly they're from there. Just don't stand outside and it would be cool because, you know, I love seeing all the t-shirts all seen the group photos, all that crap because it's like, holy crap, this thing is actually continuing. Um, it, this, this guy could have been a, a one and done thing and we would have never had carpet fest number two if nobody liked it or if anybody didn't enjoy themselves. So clearly we're doing something right. So yeah, I was, you know, so what I was going to, what I was going to say earlier is that, you know, we spend all this money on snakes, we buy new snakes, we buy new equipment, we buy, you know, all these different things, you know, reptile related, but I can't tell you how good of an investment it is. I mean, it costs me like 200 bucks to get down there for the weekend, you know, and you could go down with, you know, you could head down with a bunch of people and, you know, crash in a hotel and split it up kind of like what we're doing at Tinley, but I mean, I can't tell you how invaluable that the experience is. I mean, you know, it was, it was really cool to be able to see it through the attendees eyes, you know, to just kind of show up and, and kind of just enjoy yourself right now. You're not, you're not showing up the night before to help clean prep and get ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. I know, right. So there's so many people, you know, that, that I met and these are in no particular order, but, you know, I guess, you know, all these people that, again, that I knew from, you know, online and then, you know, just to get to know them one on one, you know, hanging out and shooting the shit and, and all that kind of stuff was, was pretty freaking awesome. So I got there on Friday night and, you know, Bill picked me up from the airport and we, we drove over to his house and, you know, we hung out and talked for a while and just talked about, you know, different things and, you know, his view and, you know, he just, it's just cool to hang out with somebody and it's, it's, it's drama-free and, you know, you know, you're just geeking out about reptiles, that's kind of what I felt like, you know, and then we went and saw his collection, which is freaking phenomenal by the way. And Bill, in case you don't know, he runs Phoenix Reptiles, which you can find them on Facebook or, I think it's phoenixreptiles.net, it's his website, but, he has, he has a guy that helps him out and his name is Logan Murray and he has his own little thing going on called Infiniti Reptiles. Man, I can't tell you how awesome this guy was. I just, you know, just, he's just, just a really chill dude, you know, just, you could tell he's just really excited about reptiles and, you know, he's got the job of, you know, cleaning. He said he said he was the handyman. Yeah. Bill's handyman, reptile handyman. You're, you're the cleaning guy. Yeah. Yeah. So, me and him went out there and Bill and we, you know, cleaned his collection. That seems to be the, the thing you do on the night before, because you don't want everything to go to before. Because according to all of us, snakes don't crack in front of company. So it's like, yeah, and even then, do you remember when we cleaned all my guys? Like, what was the, like, all the blood let loose. And it's like, you know, from Matt Vaughn, this thing is sitting in, you know, discussing blood type on soup. Anyway, so, yeah. So, you know, we were going through and the one thing that I will say, and I know, you know, that we're talking about carpet fast, but the one thing that I will say is that Bill's ball python collection is pretty freaking outstanding as well. He, he, he focuses on animals that, that he had lost you, that retained, um, retained color into adulthood. And I can't tell you, man, a lot of the things that I saw, I've seen online, I've seen them at shows, I guess, and stuff. But, um, I don't know, it just was a different, a different look. And, uh, definitely, uh, top not stuff. Like, have you shown me something? I'm going to screw this up. Like the name, it was like vanilla scream. There was like, enchi bananas and like, just these crazy family. I'm like, what the holy hell, you know, it was not, not to mention, I mean, that's just the beginning of, of what we looked at, you know. Um, then, you know, his carpets, uh, I got to see that, you know, how much I love that zebra jag that he has. Um, that ocelot zebra jag. Um, got to hold that, check that out. Um, yeah, he has, uh, he has some, uh, some pretty cool carpet pythons, of course. Um, the, uh, the caramel head albino that he got from me is probably the most evilest thing in the world. It's not, dude. So what I got, what I got from using evil cost. I, I, I took a picture with the other day of Disney four times. What the hell did you do those things? Oh man. Yeah, I don't know. Um, and he came to change because he had albino because the zebra head albino is like a doll, but the anything caramel that my caramel jack albino is like evil. Like, it puts some scrub pipe on the chain. Wow. And you know, my carp, like caramel head albino female, the, the dam to that clutch. She's just chills. Yeah. So I don't know. Uh, of course, anyway, back to it. Of course, we checked out the rough East, you know, that was a big hit. Um, you know, it was, it was really cool to see that. Um, then there was the Carpondros, which as dude, as much as I hate to say it, and you know how much this hurts my soul. It hurts my soul, man. They were freaking phenomenal. Oh man. Yeah. I'm telling you that crazy one that I, that I, there's a picture floating around somewhere with me holding it like yellow and black. It's like, it's like the coolest carpet pipe. If that was a carpet python, more people would be going nuts over it, you know. Um, I don't have that a million times. So yeah, but it do look nice. I like the contrast and as far as you get with me. So and even with the pictures, like, you know, those pictures didn't do that animal justice, but they were, they were really, really cool. Um, what else? And of course, then there was just the regular Condros. I mean, Bill has a top notch collection of Condros. You know, it was cool to pick his brain about how it keeps Condros. It was cool too. Actually, I know he thought that I was working for the weekend, but I was learning for the weekend. You know, I, as he was clean and I was just picking up little tips and things that he does that, you know, uh, it's all, you know, how you can, you can go in, you see how somebody else does it and you can always pick something up from, uh, you know, just from that experience, which is, which is awesome. Um, I was, I was happy about that. So, you know, and then that was pretty much Friday night. Um, okay. Uh, that was pretty much Friday night and, uh, you know, that was it. We kind of just hung out, smoked some cigars and, uh, you know, went to bed and got ready for the next day. Woke up early. And of course, you know, when you have people over the carpets or the, the, just the animals that you cleaned the night before. They all spilled the water because it crashed and whatever. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we ran through, we ran through the collection again and, uh, you know, just did some last minute spots, spot cleaning and stuff. And, uh, you know, uh, we were ready to roll. Um, the one thing that I will say is that I've never done this with my chondros. I don't know if you've done this with your chondros own, but take them out into the sunlight. They turn into a new animal. The blues pop, the, the color just changes and oh my God, it's crazy. I, I would have thought, you know, I wouldn't have thought it would have been that dramatic, but they really, really, really changed, uh, when they're out in the sunlight. Um, you know how I am about bringing my snakes outside? Cause that's when I'll find out the neighbor who can see into my yard, three doors down is terrified of snakes and has a son on the barrel council. I mean, that's the towel roll with that. So yeah, I know. Maybe you're like, maybe I'll bring them near a window. Yeah. Stick them out the window real quick. I'll stick them out the window. Yeah. But I hate that. That sounds awesome. I mean, I, I bet you it does because, uh, those got some really good looking chondros really nice animals. So he has this one that had like, had blue and white and black and green and yellow and it was just crazy. It was really nice. And you know, the cool thing is that he actually let people go in and handle his collection. Um, oh my God. I think I think his goal was that he really wanted to, uh, for people to see that chondros, uh, really don't, uh, you know, they're not, they're not the mean, horrible animals that, you know, people make them out to be, um, you know, going by, you know, the wild caught animals that people dealt with years ago. I mean, everybody was holding contros, like, contro, contro, contro, contro, you know, everybody wanted to hold them. Afternoon, it buddies. It's like, hey, you're not holding the contro here. It's like, all right. Yeah. That's exactly what it was like. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So, uh, then, you know, the people started come coming in and, you know, Evan, Evan Browder was the guy that kind of, kind of got this ball rolling. So we got to send a shout out to him. Big thanks, uh, you know, for, uh, for, for doing it and getting everything together and, you know, getting with Bill and working out the details and all that kind of stuff. It was cool to meet him. Um, my first, art, well, our first experience with Bill was us signing the complete car, the complete carpet place. Yeah. I remember that. Oh, I'm like, who is this person and why does he care about my signature? So, and you wrote just like, you wrote this long, beautiful thing. I just went on my guitar. So it's like, you know, it, yeah. I'm thinking, is he trying to get my signature for checks or something like that? Yeah. That's what I thought a little bit, you know, I'm broke. So, you went, um, yeah. So, uh, yeah, big thanks out to, uh, thanks goes out to Evan for, if you don't know, Evan, uh, he goes by carpet cartel as well. Um, he's an awesome guy, has tons of passion. You know, there was a lot of passion flowing, man. That's why I loved it down there. It's like very, very passionate people. I was, I was in my element, man. I was feeling it. Um, of course this is something that you would probably really dig. Oh, and I'm listening. Later on in the day, I got to hang out and talk with Mr. Michael Pinell aka M Penn. Um, please tell me who spent the entire time on IJs on IJs. Yeah, we didn't even like that. Oh, thank God. Oh, thank God. Oh, thank God. You know, just, uh, another just awesome guy. Uh, if you can't just cool because, I mean, we've spoken to him several times. You all know who he is, but like now you, now you have a face to the name. I don't. So, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. It's almost like meeting, uh, if I can put it on this level, it's like meeting or it's like rock star status, you know, like, um, it's like, uh, I don't, I don't know how to explain. I mean, we've talked about from day one. I mean, M Penn was, if you were dealing with coastal, it was kind of the thing. I remember on our very, on our on our third show, I think we did with Luke. I mean, we talked about it for so long and how good he did with memories. So that's all about third. Go. Two hundred and twenty one shows. Oh God. Stop it. Anyway, but you're right. It was, this is a major staple. It's like, I know we're kind of overexposed, but I mean, I was at Tinley and I was, I was talking and I was drinking with Carrie and Jason. And of course, people go all over Carrie, but then you have carpet people that have never met Jason. I know we're a little overexposed because like Jason's in our backyard. Like I, I was texting him this weekend because it was like all sorts of stuff. So, but there were some carpet people who had never met him before who were just as kind of like, I don't know, appreciative or a little bit of awestruck, maybe needing Jason Bailin. Then they were other breeders at the, at the place because, you know, of who he is and what he's done and how ingrained in the morality that he is. So Michael Penel goes right hand in hand with that. Yeah. See, like when I met, yeah, you're exactly right. When I met Jason though, because you're right, he is in our backyard, I actually met him before I knew who Jason Bailin was. I know, right. Even before, what I knew what a carpet python really was, you know, we didn't have that, but we knew Jason is the carpet guy at Hamburg. Yeah. Yeah. And walking around and I'm just like, these are kind of cool pythons. What's this? Oh, yeah, it's a carpet python. And I was like, wow, that striped one's pretty cool. What do you call that? That's a tiger, you know, and he's like, yeah, I gotta take it out, blah, blah, blah, you know, talking to me super nice. The next thing, you know, I bought one and I haven't looked back. So, but I must have been either vending or not yet started vending because damn it, I could have been your first sale. So, yeah. So, yeah, Michael Penel is somebody that, you know, I guess for new people, they might not have as much exposure to him as like, you know, some of us guys that have been in it for a little bit longer. But, yeah, that was. I mean, you kind of got to go back to before carpets even had morphs, really. I mean, Michael was just kind of really line breeding and breeding out these really good looking pure coastal and just, I mean, it was almost like before you had even tri stripes and jags. It was like, well, you got to have your Michael Penel coastal and you got to have your tri-stroke coastal and then of course tigers, emerge and all sort of stuff. So, that's really, and Pen is for me, is that it was, his stuff was cool before morphs even showed up. So, that's where I kind of go with it, but. Yeah, absolutely, you know, and, you know, it was funny that we did, we talked about tri stripes for quite a bit and how that line was, was lost. You know, they actually had animals that had stripes that were different than what you see in tigers and, you know, the striped postels with, you know, not with that bald back, so to speak, you know what I mean? Like you see in tigers and that, I think he told me who had them, but the line kind of died out, which is kind of a shame, but, you know, that was kind of the thing back then and. They were, I mean, and Michael, like, one of my, I think it was my third or fourth carpet was a Michael Penel coastal and that's why I will, that's why I'm coastal for the rest of my life, dear lord. So, I wish I had that animal. Oh, God, sorry. Yeah, and, you know, we talked about multiple things and then we switched all totally away from even talking carpet pythons, you know, but it was really cool. We all just kind of hung out and drinking and talking and as you would expect those things to happen. So, it was good to meet him. Trying to think who else. You know what brought up, what brought up the Viper Keeper impersonation was, I was talking, I met this guy, his name was Ezra, I think his last name was McDougall. And his, I think he told me his first snake was a carpet python, then he went into venomous. Dear lord. Dear lord. You know, I went from space space to outfield. It's like, that person make any sense, but all right. Yeah. Wow. So, I was, I was quite fascinated to, to talk to him about, about, you know, just the venomous hobby and, and, and keeping them and, and just how he deals with, with dealing with them because, you know, it's beautiful, beautiful animals, but, you know, he has his cobras and caboons and stuff like that. It's one of those things like, how the hell do you justify keeping that thing? And especially with the news of, did they ever recover that king cobra in Florida? I'm not sure. I, I know, I know they probably wouldn't put it out there. According to the Instagram, it's been to Disney World and those are just amazing photos, but I mean, I don't think those are true, but more as we get back to, but again, it's like, how do you just have like keeping an animal? And then I'm not knocking anybody keeps venomous. I'm never going to tell anybody who keeps an illness that they shouldn't keep venomous, but it's just one of those things of like, I, it's, it's playing with a loaded gun. I mean, I've been really close to, uh, because Chris used to keep mambas, cobras, vipers. I mean, I've been close to all those things and they scare the crap out of me. So I don't, I don't, I just can't, can't do venomous. So well, it seemed like he had, he had a down, you know, he seemed like a pretty good guy. But, you know, I was happy. Thank you. You have to be a smart guy. You got to be down to your routine. You got to be completely safe. But Jesus, I get bit old. Yeah. Yeah. With the funniest, the funniest thing was, is that so me and him are talking and bill, bill and his wife are, are listening to us talk. And because he was from, uh, he was from the deep south. And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm from Philly. So they're trying to figure out how we understand each other. You know, how many times do you think you say water? I mean, yo, oh, goodness. Yeah. Everybody say in the water. I think, I think when me and Bill went to lunch, I said, yeah, I'll have some water. And, and they were like, huh? Oh, look at me all twisted. You know, what did he say? Matt, Matt is still worse than you. I mean, with, with his Philly. Yeah. Or when Zach gets excited. So it's, you know, yeah, the John, the John, John and the other John. So, yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad I didn't wear my Eagle shirt down because I was in the house. Yeah, it would have been bad. It would have been bad. I can't, I can't remember who said it, but you would have left your ass off. So, you know, we're in Bill's snake room and the car professor's going on, right? And we're just kind of, you know, like it was like groups you walked around and there was different groups and whatnot. People would spend time in the snake room, then they come in and then they go back out, then they eat. So, uh, because his snake room is a separate building, um, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Well, a snake room. Yeah. I roll it. Like, uh, it's a, uh, like an overmaid, you know, like a don up garage. Oh, God, that's so anyway. So, uh, we're out in the snake room. I can't remember who said it, but they walk in and they were like, no wonder they call you the hobbit. But the guy was a small snake. Everybody in the room was as tall as me except Bill and they're saying that I'm the hobbit and I was like, what the hell? That study partially put up that missing hobbit report for you on the pick of the week. So, yeah, you used a picture from like five years ago. I went, I went through in your Facebook and found the weirdest, funniest photo of you that I could find. I'm sorry, but you, with, with one of those beer helmets one. All right. That's what I used. Yeah. My dad got me hammered in that picture and I, yeah, my, my, my brother's like, if you wear the spear helmet, I'm like, yeah, I wear it. I'm trying for these big beers. I like it. Like, I'm not sure which picture I'm going to bear this. And so, like, yeah. Gone. No worse, no more surfing. I'm good. Yeah. But it's like, I love how that, like jokes like that and, and stuff. I have, it took a lot of getting used to, but I'm starting to get used to the whole like, people will know who we are when we arrive places. Like the first couple of 10 of these people are like, oh, you remember you said this? I'm like, I have no freaking idea what you're talking about. Like people who listen to the show. And it's, it's, it's almost like they, they hear me, they listen and they remember. And I don't, because like I've done this so many times or I don't really recall what I'm saying and I rarely ever have a plan. So it's. Yeah. He just flies by the seat of his coke. I do. But it's, it's stuff with that. Where it's like, now you can go, it's bad for you because now you can go. And you're like, ah, I see you're called the hobbit. It's like, yeah. For me, I love it. You, on the other hand, I can see where it can kind of get, you know, a little annoying ever once in a while. I can't wait for the girls. And they're like, ah, you're the hobbit. Are you? So yeah, I'm like, yeah. No, man. I love it. You know, I'm, I love jokes. I love laughing. I think it's, you take yourself too seriously. Life's too short, you know. So that, that don't bother me. That don't bother me at all. So I think it's pretty freaking hilarious. Yeah, you contacted me. You're like, I was going to put out. I'm going to put up a college board. I lost my hobbit. Please return to Philly. But I don't know if I would should do it. I'm like, yeah, I could do it. I mean, of course, like it was, I, I, you, you went to freakin, uh, Carpetfest, I ended up going to have a degree to get road. All this other stuff. So I'm home and I'm like, yeah, Eric, having fun and I'm not. So, of course, I had to do something. So, but it was just one of those things where, um, you know, you have, you have mentioned, have a degree before the reptile show. And I said, the only good part of having a degree is they have breakfast sandwiches. Right. They, they stop making breakfast sandwiches. Oh, man. I'm like, I didn't give a word. You're like, we want this guy out. Oh my God. Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep. Andrew and I were so pissed. So it was, yeah. So I wanted to inject myself in the, I wanted to live vicariously through you at Carpetfest and a lot of other things. Yeah. The only guy that had any right in saying that I was a hobbit was Dave Perlich. That guy was, that guy was a giant. You know, I was, uh, really a hobbit standing next to him. So, well, the bright side is that Bill like to just look over you guys and like move around. I mean, he didn't have a problem scooting around things and stuff like that. I mean, and he and Dave could have just had a conversation over you. You know, it could have used me as like an armrest, you know, like those tables, airport tables. Eric, hold this circle. I want you, and I'm holding it up in the air and I use just a table. I'm like, uh, so just take a few minutes. Come on. We're trying to build your traps, man. Come on. Keep it going. Yeah. So, um, uh, let's see. I'm trying to think who, uh, you know, uh, who I will say that I talked to for quite a while. And I was, uh, quite impressed with him. And he's a huge fan of the show. I think, I think I may have found somebody who's as big as a fan as Rob Stone. Uh, oh my God. I didn't think that this person existed, but this guy, his name was, uh, well, you know him. He's, Austin, uh, Warwick from, uh, what do you call it? He won the, uh, contest and the calendar contest. All right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The brattle python, his, uh, rage beard reptiles, you know, yeah. I know you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Talk to him. Uh, he's got some, some Brisbane coastals. He's got a really, really freaking sweet ass Brisbane's. That should be breeding soon, I guess, a couple of years. Maybe you're, and then, um, he has an awesome brettles project. It's just really, really cool stuff. Um, and then at the, the end of the night, when we went back out to the reptile room again, we just, you know, it was just one after the other. He did this cool thing that I, I observed it, but I've never done it. And I thought it was, I thought it was pretty cool. So when he goes in to reach for the snake, he kind of covers his head. He just kind of like, real quickly, the issue, what's that? Well, like, what is low, like the high box or use your hand. Just puts his hand right at the head of his neck. Yeah. Like he kind of cups it and just kind of puts it on the, on the head and then the snake just kind of calms down and then it just scoops it right up. You know, I was like, wow, I would never would have thought of that. You know, it's kind of like, you know, using your hook, but you're using your hand. I guess I never would have thought, because I thought I would get bit, but tomorrow, tomorrow we're going to have a post of your bloody hand going, I tried it. It didn't work. It didn't work out for me. Not quite the whisper. But yeah, I mean, you know, it just went on and on, just like the same as the Northeast and, you know, snakes, not snakes, snakes, talk snakes, not snakes, reptiles, you know, this, that bounce around to go all the different. Like, there's, this group's talking about this, this group's talking about that. These guys are eating, these guys aren't eating, these guys are poking snakes. It's like, you go all over the place. And I mean, it was pretty much what was Carpafessa was here this year is that everybody was talking about different things, different things were going on. And it's, I would definitely love to see more Carpafessa. And I would definitely love to see, it just sounds like it's a good time. Regardless of where it is, it sounds like you get a lot of like-minded people in the same place, some good food, some good time, and everybody has a blast. I mean, even Dad had a blast when he came to Carpafessa up here, and he has no freaking idea half the things we were talking about. So, yeah, I know that was pretty cool, you know, that he hung out with us and, you know, it was awesome. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. I think from now on, I will try to attend every Carpafessa. Holy crap. I really think it's worth it, man. I really do. I really, really think it's worth it. I mean, you know, people talk about they can't sell snakes, they can't do this, they can't do that. Market sucks and all this stuff. And, you know, I just think they're gonna throw half of everything to have up for sale in a fire sale, a blue-blade special, buy one, get three free for a weekend. No, no, no, what I'm getting at is that if you want to sell snakes, you're going to have a much easier time selling snakes to people that you know personally. So, now, everybody at Carpafessa, I now know on a personal level and they know me. So, if they have something that I like, more than likely, I would think that they would come to me and if they have something that I like, more than likely, I would go to them. You know what I mean? You just build a different rapport with people. I think that's really important. I mean, I gotta tell you, I mean, I know all the time we get on the show and, you know, we talk about the market and the drama. Well, we try to steer clear from the drama as much as possible. Sometimes you gotta mention things because it's just the current state of what's going on or whatever. But, wow. I gotta tell you, man, the CEO. I gotta tell you, the most probably the coolest thing about our group of snakes that we work with and is not only the group of snakes, but it's the group of people. You know, you don't see, you don't see ball python pests, you don't see leopard gecko pests, at least I don't. I don't know. Do they happen? I don't know. I don't know. If they do happen, they don't tell us about it. Also, you don't really see, like, I know that a lot of different species have podcasts, but I don't see any of these podcasts, like having something or putting something together like carpet fest, which I think is, you know, they don't have to, but I think they're missing out on something that they could do and something that would bring the whole community together. Yes. Yeah, because you, what's that? That's it. Every reptile show is ball python fest. And, yes, it is, but we're going to rise above these things and move forward, damn it. So, yeah, it's almost like you're, you're, you're selling yourself and you're the species that you love short, you know, and it doesn't have to be something as huge as carpet fest invites everybody over for a barbecue. Just freaking do it. Yeah. And then see how it goes. It doesn't have to be, you had to label it leopard gecko fest or whatever, just try to grab all the gecko breeders that you know of that live close by and say, Hey, come on over. We're going to have burgers and dogs. See how it goes. Yeah. So. Yeah, I think, I think the, I think, just just the, just the environment just lends itself just for you to get to know somebody in a, in a more personal, personal level. And you do. And then you said it, we said it a million times. Being at a show, if people come and try to talk to me at a show, you're, you're, you're taking away from me trying to talk to potential customers. I'm focused on who I might have running my table with me. Focused on the animals, what's going on with them. Focused on the people at the show. I'm not giving my all of the conversation. I'm not in a relaxed state. Now, thinly kind of cheated that because when we close down for the day, you know, I'm good. Yeah. You know, I can, but a normal day show, you know, I don't relax until it's over because, you know, you got to constantly watch you. Somebody's trying to mess with the animal that you got. If someone's trying to take something off the table, if, you know, it's too hot in the room, if the guy you have trying to sell an animal is not nobody's talking about. So you got to look at all these things. So, but at a carpet fest or something like it, I don't have to worry. All my guys are locked up. So they're not here. Right. Right. It's, it's, you can, you can totally disconnect and chill, but you can still talk about the thing that keeps us all together. You know, I, and there's one thing is that I have a few people that come to my table, friends of mine to come to my table at random shows, and I almost had to like sometimes heard them off to the side of the table so they can actually sell some things. I'm going to start getting a stick. It's called Owen's friend stick, and I'm just going to start hitting random people who sit in front of my table the entire show on the head until they move over. So mainly just buddy. So mainly just buddy. Anyway, it's just, it's having a carpet fest. I think it's just awesome. So yeah, they eventually it dwindled down to six, six of us. It was me, Bill, Evan, who else was there, Evan Austin, Ezra, and Dave. And that's when, that's when it was just like, that was the best, you know, because at that point we were all, you know, I don't know if we were drunk or buzzed or probably drunk, tired or all the above, but you know, we were telling stories, these got, no, Owen, Owen, Owen, Owen, Owen, Owen, oh, no, no, hold on. Yes, we started talking about, we started talking about food. Wait, wait, the way you just said food was way too sweaty. We started talking about food. I'm like, all right, well, okay. Wait, as a fellow Philadelphian, you can, you can relate to this. I can. You wanted to put Swiss cheese on a cheesecake. Are you there? No, wait, wait, wait, wait, who, who did this? No, we were just talking about, I don't even know how we got out of the stuff. Ooh, no, give me this person's name. I can't do it. I won't do it. I won't do it. Phil, did you say this? It was Bill. What the hell? Swiss cheese on it. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Now, I'll tell you right now, I've had to squeeze Swiss cheese on a cheesecake and it was, I was in Pittsburgh and I ordered a cheesecake and they gave me it to it. They gave it to me with Swiss cheese on it. I bit it. I threw it. I threw that shit away. So it's like, I took one bite and I threw it. It's American word is that artery-cogging sauce we call cheese with and nothing else. They didn't have one yet or not. What? What? What I'm saying could you go to? Yeah, it was down. Eagles didn't lose. Eagles didn't win this week either. So shut up. Anyway. Yeah, Swiss, I thought that was funny. And I understand every state as well as sometimes different areas of different states have different meals and different food. So it's like, obviously, we went to Texas and I saw you went and got some barbecue, right? Oh, Bill, yeah, Bill took me to barbecue. I was phenomenal. I had fried okra. That was so good. Oh my God. See, that's Texas and that's awesome. And it's like cheese steak syrup here. You can't have barbecue. Don't you dare put Swiss cheese on a cheese steak. Jesus. That's funny. I thought you'd get a kick out of it. Oh my God. So when everybody comes up here next year to the Northeast Garpus, I think a staple that we have to have is cheese steak. We have to have cheese steak and pretzels. Yes. And we'll make a special one for Bill with Swiss, but no, no, not in my house. Bill can he shout out? Oh no. So he has to find out where my property line is. He can have it, but he has to do me up and down along. Yeah, we're pretty intense about cheese steaks. The one phrase that we'll do us some serious. Yeah, there you go. No, no, take a look. The one phrase that Bill came up with this weekend, which is now going to be his and my name, philosophy for business. Okay. High end, high end, low maintenance. That's how we roll. High end, low maintenance, Jesus. That's right. What else? I don't know, man, it was just a great time. I mean, that was really one thing that they did that we didn't do because we were really stupid and haven't done this. We are going to the picture of the group. That was awesome. I know. I don't know. I saw that and I'm like, why didn't we ever get a group shot? God, we saw good. So that's mandatory from here on out. It's going to have to be. Yeah. It sounds like it was an awesome time and I hope they continue and do one next year because I want to go. Yeah, you have to go. They were missing you. They were giving you much love. None of them were afraid of you. Usually, I go to play. They're afraid of you. They think you're like this big ogre or something. Like, oh, it's not. You're fine. I find it hilarious when people email you, like, you don't go in doing this. Why are you talking to me? Why don't you just mess it down? Oh, it's scary. Oh, all right. Whatever. But I do think it would be cool and it would be something to do and I want Texas barbecue and take the plane run. God damn it. So it was like, it was like, no, no, no, no. This is how the breaks up, my friend. Since GTP keeper, it's caper. GTP keeper radio is our, uh, is our sister, uh, you know, staying over there. This is the exchange. I was going to call it that. Yeah. Being bill or partners and you and buddy are partners. So you want to go have a crab cake with buddy. Oh, you know, yeah. I do a good crab cake. Yeah, yeah. I heard rumors of I cast again. Yes. Yes. Uh, I can talk about it. Can we not talk about it? I don't think we can. There's not a set set. Well, let's, let's back it up. So both buddy and bill have done, um, uh, what do you call it? Pictures, not pictures have done, uh, podcast of, uh, the past two weeks, I think it was on a get go nation radio. Okay. So buddy was the first installment and they talked about conros and then they talked about I cast because, um, uh, uh, they were talking about how is, you know, such a great time and how they had a blast and, um, just, you know, all in all, just, just an awesome, uh, time. Tim, Tim Walton, I know you would, I know you, do you know who that is? Sounds familiar. Yeah, you would know. We've seen, I've seen him at Finley. I've seen him in I get seen him multiple times. Um, he is the co-host to that show and I, I, I guess that's how like sometimes they do like these off, off topic, off gecko topic shows and, um, so the past two weeks, they've had buddy and then they had, uh, bill just on the other day. Right. You know, they talked about when buddy was on there, they talked about I cast and they talked that he's closer, um, then I guess then he, then he's been. I think, uh, I guess he's got to finish up what he's got going on and, uh, you know, I was going to school and all that kind of stuff. Um, but, uh, it's in the works, you know, when it will be, I don't know, but it's in the works, but you get, you get detailed into, uh, into that and, uh, both, both of those episodes are great. You know, um, if you want to listen and get some, uh, you know, some podcast talk that's, uh, two episodes is definitely worth listening to. Um, so what else? Um, trying to think what else? So one of the, well, this is kind of, uh, kind of a topic that came up and I was curious on your thoughts. Um, Okay. Uh, nothing. You didn't hear nothing. No, didn't hear nothing. Anyway, clear, clear. So yeah, anyway, if something would happen to you, what would your, okay. Yeah. What would you do with your animals? Do you have any kind of, uh, contingency plan? I do. I do have one in place. Yeah. Um, there you go. The contingency is, and of course this is just because, you know, obviously nobody in my family does reptiles, snakes or anything like that. I wouldn't know the first thing about reptiles, snakes or anything like that. Um, so the contingency actually is, is that if something were to happen to me, um, the animals, uh, would all be under Andrew's care. Okay. So, uh, under Andrew's care, because he knows the connections and stuff. And he has all of the stuff you would be willing to, you'd be able to, uh, sell everything, um, quickly. And of course he has instructions to contact various people in Morelia, uh, to come over and get first dibs. But the ideas are to sell everything, um, in order to get the money, uh, that I assume would help settle some debt or final of things for me or something like that. So the point is just to burn the collection, uh, out. And, you know, Andrew would handle all that. And if you would be the guy, who I would trust to give the money back, though, I guess my folks. So, yep, got. Well, there you go. Yep. Well, uh, there was a, there was, I guess, I, I can't remember his name. I want to say it was Tom Barker, maybe, but, uh, apparently, uh, one of the Paul Python pretty popular Paul Bison guy, um, had, uh, gotten to an accident, lost his life, you know, now, you know, after that, you know, you don't plan for something like that. So what happens to, uh, to a collection, um, when that kind of thing happens. So I don't know. It's just something that, you know, especially if you have a family, you know, the funny joke of the night was, is, uh, if your wife sells your snakes for what you told them they're worth, that's not, you know, that's not good. Yeah. It's just something that, you know, you should think about, um, I don't know. Do you have something specifically written up, Owen, or is it just something that's kind of an understanding between you guys? General understanding between me and him because, uh, it, it, it wouldn't stand because, I mean, obviously, something we're having, Andrew, Cat, Rick, all of the lizards and stuff like that, but it's one of those things of like, I know he'd be able to, uh, he'd know what I had and you would know who to contact by means of all the different Morellia stuff. And I know he's got the connections to, uh, sell off the caging and everything pretty quickly. So, right, right, because the idea at that point is I'm dead. So, um, and I assume, I mean, I have all the, the good thing about being an insurance agent is I have like five left insurance policies on myself. It's great. So it's like, uh, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm low on a bonus and I need one live insurance policy, guess who's getting the new life insurance policy. So anyway, the, um, the thing is, is that, uh, so I assume a lot of myself would be covered, but I can guarantee that there'd be probably something that needed to be handled. So, obviously, just getting the cash together, uh, just to give back to the folks. So, yep. Yep. So if I'm, if I drop dead, talk to Andrew and get here quickly, because I assume some things would be sold quickly. And, uh, if you want to get ahold of the rupees or something else, you first come first, sir, your lives can all have this whole combat as you pick over my bones. So, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, it's all right. It's like, that's, I mean, loser gets zero. So it's, you know, that's the other thing is that, you know, I've settled the snakes are easy. I got to find someone who's going to take the dog. So if I can use them to, uh, to, uh, you know, haul my pack through the mountains when I get to my guy. And you can go into battle. He'd be perfect. The difficult part, but I've always said that, uh, Andrew would handle it all. Okay. Yeah. It's fine. My thing would be, find somebody in, if you can get it in writing or just have it as an agreement or even because normally we're supposed to do is you're supposed to have a folder or something that has instructions for your spouse or your parents or somebody in the event of your death. And I know nobody likes to think about this crap, but it should be something we should all do. And if there's a piece of paper in there that says, you know, if I, in the event of my death, Andrew is gonna, or somebody, insert name, whatever here is going to handle all the, the sailing of the collection and all the money will go to, uh, my parents after, you know, this person is in verse, reimbursed for any money they had to expend in selling the collection. And that's it. And then you sign it, they sign it, you include that in that envelope because it's all right there. Then there's no bones about it. Then there's no argument. Then there's no, well, he would have wanted me to have this one. So don't tell this one. He would have wanted me to have these four, 12, this rack. So it's all over it. You know, and that's, that's the thing is like, you know, obviously, you know, I have a bunch of friends who are in the same species I am and some of that. And then there are some that I would rather go to my friends, but at that point, it's no longer, I really want to see this animal go to you. It's, you know, this has got to be for the financial purposes. And I mean, I know, that's the only thing is Andrew knows who's my friend and who wasn't. So if you walk with it, I really kind of want the rascals. He'd probably give you a really good deal on them because they were mine. And, you know, and you were my friend, but, you know, also, we'd get some money to throw into the pool that would go towards any kind of final expense. So yeah, that's the whole point. Yeah, that's, that is the whole point of it. You know, so nobody would really, I don't even think if you were, if you gave a snake to somebody that that person would even to, I mean, if somebody did that and they said, you know, Eric would have a snake. Yeah, I would just pay for it just because the whole purpose is you're trying to help the, the family of the, of, you know, exactly. And of your fellow friend, you know, exactly. And I've heard about it a few times where now where somebody's died, but where something happens and they entrust their collection with somebody who they thought was a friend who was kind of involved in the same species they were and stuff of that. More long times, it's like people who go overseas or go to jail or whatever leave their collection with this guy and this guy breeds the collection or sell certain animals out of it, keep certain animals out of it. Also the crap, it's like, it's almost like he absorbs it into his collection where that that's not the whole purpose of this thing was what you're supposed to do with it. So that's why I would peg Andrew for it. So not that I don't trust him early ahead, but outside looking in. Yep. Yeah. The plan is that, you know, the person you trust that's going to take care of that. And that's the person that you should put in charge of that kind of stuff. Yeah. And advocacy, it's one of those things. Again, we don't like to think about it, but it's something we all should at some point, especially if you have tortoises because you're going, they're going to outlive you. So, yeah. I would start taking auditions for co-hosts maybe like a month after you were gone. You have to have to have a back on here three minutes after I dropped in. So no, but we'd have to have somebody that's, you know, they have to, they can't be the same as me, you have to be different than me. Oh, God. I need a witty son of a bitch. Now Owen's replacement. It's great. And started. I'm going to get a hundred emails to Mars. Well, I'm not buying. I kind of feel like, I don't know. I didn't even know if you ever, if you even thought about this, but like, I don't know if the show would ever be the same, you know, because I think, yeah, because it's like, if one or the other was not here, it's almost like, it's almost like having a band and then not having the band. Like as soon as the member changes, yeah, it's not that it's way for, you know, you're exactly correct where you have a band and then a member changes. It's not the same, but it could still be something that's really good. It won't be the same. Correct. That's the, and then the thing that goes with the TV, you know, like ever once in a while, they have one character gets ripped away or written off or whatever the hell and they keep going forward with somebody else or something like that. And if you can really still, it's either a really good thing alongside what it used to be or it sucks. So it's like, that's exactly how it would go. See, I would want to go out like, I would want to go out like, you know, on top, not on the, not, not bombing, you know. That's why it will be our last broadcast, everybody, we're going out on top. Like, like, we're done now, the height of our popularity, yeah. Pull the plug. So, another thing that I wanted to make sure that we hit on, I forgot to mention two other guys that I hung out with was, got glad to meet with Jeff Beck, not Jeff Beck. Jeff Beck. Jeff Beck, not the guitar player. And Tony Jerome, both cool guys. Awesome to hang out with them. But as predicted, the push to support USR has dwindled. And you don't really see anybody on the reptile community on Facebook, at least on my feet, talking about supporting USR. It seems that the legislation has kind of disappeared. So the, in that, in that the problem, it has not disappeared. It's just out of the limelight. It's by no means is this stuff over. We just aren't talking about it. And this is when something gets pushed through. And we all are like, what the hell? It's like, well, guys, we need to generate some buzz about this stuff. We need to talk about this stuff. And so this is why we started up a booster again. Right. Yeah. All right. So we have another booster going on, and this is for the classic Marillia Python radio t-shirt. We did this. Yeah, this is most of been our first booster ever that we did this shirt with. And of course, we have a few fans that have gotten into Marillia Python radio after this shirt was already put out. We have a few people like Jamie who lost his Marillia Python radio t-shirt, it's in league. So they've been asking when we were going to do a rerun of the booster. And we have this is a rerun of the Marillia Python radio t-shirt. It is a black shirt with the Marillia Python radio logo on the front and the back. It is $25. It literally shipped to you. I think it's like $5 shipping. There's only that. So it's 30 bucks for the whole deal. 100% of the proceeds are going to go to USR. Now the problem is, is that we have a 50 booster limit. That means we have 50 shirts that we would like to hit is our goal. And we have to hit a certain limit. Otherwise, no shirts will be printed and the booster will be canceled. That's how these things work. So I believe we have to hit 20 shirts before these things will be printed. I believe we're already close to 10. I think we're at eight or nine right now. The last time I counted. But if you want to go grab one of these shirts, there's a link that's pinned on the top of Marillia Pig of the Week. There's also one on the Marillia Python radio Facebook page. Or you can go to booster.com and look at Google Marillia Python radio gear and it will take you to the booster. The idea is just buy the shirt when the booster concludes in the, let me see, it will conclude I believe in October. I think it would be the 13th of October is when this will conclude. When it does, that's when the shirts will be printed and sent. And then you should get it sometime of a week after that. Yeah, right now we have six shirts sold and we need to get it up there. So definitely go over get your shirt. It will be mailed to you. If you are an international listener and you would like a shirt, you can contact myself or Eric about setting up that. I thought booster was going to start doing international shipping. Apparently they tried it last time and it turned very poorly for them. So they're back to not doing any more international shipping. Yes, Bill, you can get a youth medium. I promise you can. You make one goddamn mistake and they never let you live down. Anyway, damn right. Anyway, it's shut up. Anyway, it's most things you can definitely go. If you are international, contact myself, Eric. What we'll do is you order the shirt. You have it shipped under your name. Don't put my name on it. You have it shipped under your name to my house and then I will send it snail mail to you. And it's only probably another $10 additional if you really want the shirt. If you want to go haves in with some of your friends over near you, it's kind of tried to do a bulk shipment. That's cool too. And it's just something, again, 100% of the proceeds will benefit us arc. We've raised a pretty good amount of money for these guys out of these boosters, but still our biggest booster was the one we did for the Bowens Python. So obviously, we want to try to beat that and give all the money to us arc. We're also going to try to get some of these shirts to bring with us too thinly. That would just depend on how we're going to do the shipping stuff or that. We'd much rather prefer it if you guys were going to try to get these things. We'll be going to the booster and get the shirt that way so all the money can go to yourself. Like I said, we have to hit the minimum where they won't be printed. So if you have a friend that's like, "I might want it, smack them until they buy it." So yeah. Instructions. Take hand out, smack. And if you wear it, if you wear it, the tinley, Eric will sign it. He'll set the sign near the bottom because that's where he can reach. Okay. I'll find out by the shoulders. There you go. Are you going to use a black marker? Silver. They make sharpies a different color. I know back to your day, only sharpies came in black. That's true. Back in my day. Speaking of carpet fest, we have to throw out here the Northwest carpet fest. So they moved the date to October 3rd, 2015. It's in the same venue, which is just outside of Seattle and it is hosted by Douglas Taylor. And they're doing a auction and that's going to go directly to U.S.R.C. They're not doing live animals. It's only going to be like vouchers and stuff. I put in a $200 voucher. So if you're interested in getting something from, I think they're up to $1,000 in vouchers so far. Which is pretty cool. So they should have some cool stuff. Just like we talked about earlier, like I talked about hanging out with Bill and Michael Penel and all these other great guys. And out on that West Coast, you're going to have Nick Mutton. You're going to have Casey Laysick. Just to name it, a couple of pretty popular guys in this hobby that we do. I can't imagine what it would be like to sit down with Nick and Casey and have a beer and shoot the shit. That would be a pretty interesting conversation for sure. I was supposed to go to that one because it was on September 12th. But it turns out that they moved the date and then it worked out that I was, you know, the other... Nick is still going to give you shit about that. Yeah. So October 3rd is the week before Tinley. So I can't take off. Yeah, it's... If you're going to go to Northwest Carpetfest and you're going to be at Tinley, you'll just see Eric there. So pretend. Yeah. I think... But if you're out on that West Coast and you're contemplating on whether or not you should go, then I can't tell you how big of a mistake you'll make if you don't head out there. I mean, if you guys are into... into carpet pythons and Maralia, shit man, even if you're just in the reptiles, you know, you don't have to own a carpet python to go to Carpetfest. Yeah, you might end up leaving with a carpet python or without your people. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe you're a Kondro guy and, you know, you're just like the carpet people or the Maralia crowd. Maybe you're, you know, maybe you're a ball python guy and you just like the carpet python crowd. Whatever, man, you know, it's... Or maybe you can be like buddy who you start out with just Kondros, you come to a carpet fest to get jungle carpet pythons and then you take the deep leap into frickin diamonds. Well, he's high ed, man. Dear Lord, we influence the hell out of him. I take full responsibility for that. He's not messing around with jungles. That's kids. Oh, no, no, no, no. That's kids stuff. Give me the diamond. Yeah. Well, it's straight for the top, man. He's high ed. Come on. We don't know like... Oh. So, yeah. So that's, that's the information. I guess if you, you know, if you need to more information, you can check out the carpet faced web, Facebook page. I know they have a Northwest carpets fest group page. If Amy sends me any kind of info, the updated, I'll update it on the website, which is, for some reason, they still haven't changed the stupid name, but it's carpets fest.homestead.com. There's links to it all over the place. She's looking for donations. So, Amy is running the show there. And Doug Peller's hosting it, which he has a bowling spiphons. You were ever interested in seeing what they're like. Maybe you've never checked them out. That would be your opportunity to go and check them out. So, he has a pretty, pretty cool, pretty cool group of reptiles to check out. So, here's another update that I had. So, last week, we talked about the green tiger iJ. Right. My sources have told me that it's bullshit. The original green iJ mail is a carpet that was purchased in a random pet store. So, we must know the lineage there. Oh, wait. They lied about what they bred and what they hunted. And basically, it's a strike line, bred granite, and there's an axanic floating in it. So, no. We all feel a little cheated right now. I mean, yeah, we do. And I'm about to lay this down to the left and final time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know where you're going with this. I want to hear it. We'll go on. The panther carpet is bullshit. It doesn't. It's nothing. Yes. They spray painted those snakes. Oh, my God. Yeah. They spray painted. No, oh. Seriously. Yeah. Sorry, Owen. I think there's people working on them, melanistic projects, you know, around the world. And I want to say that there's one in Australia. But I'm sure at some point, you know, I'm sure I had just ruined dreams. I'm just telling you the truth, man. A snake? Yeah. All right. Pissed it is not like real. I'm also pissed because you spray painted an animal. What do you like? Yeah. So everybody gather your thoughts up and let's get back and go. Yeah. Those two projects called BS. So the only melanistic carpets out there are the Darwin in Australia. Uh-huh. And where the hell you're doing? Yeah. I know a couple of people in the States have melanistic type IJs, just like poison. I would almost guarantee that they're from the same clutch. Are any of them boys? I don't know. I think one might, but I got to tell you something, man. I don't know if I could send out. I've never sent her out. No. We just go get the boy. Plus you never sent anybody use out there doing breeding loans? Understand this. If I'm sending a female out for loan, she's where she needs to be, almost a year before she needs to be there. Like how long have you had Luna, Eric? Close to a year. Thank you. That's the point. So for those people who are going to be like, I can send you my female. Um, if you want me to try to breed it next year, now I'm not saying that this is completely how it's going to go. Some people who get lucky, but a lot of times, if you want to do a breeding loan where you ship a female, it's got to be done a while in advances as she can settle. And a lot of times males need to start going to where they need to go now so they can chill and settle before breeding season. So just letting everybody know. Yeah, one of the cool things that we did talk about at Carpetfest was the, we say this all the time on the show, but I just want to make sure that I reiterate it so that people understand it when there's no guest, when we have a guest on and we're talking to them about how they keep or breed pythons, it's important to note that that is their approach. Okay. And that, you know, it's kind of important to know where they're from because, you know, and the reason that I continually ask those questions is because I know we have listeners all over. So I'm hoping that eventually we'll have breeders that have been on the show from all over. And it sounds like it's sort of repetitive and whatnot. And maybe we have to maybe dig a little deeper for from the guests, you know, to get them to pull out maybe certain things that they do. But I noticed that when I was down there and those guys in Texas, they have, you know, and Bill did talk about this on a past show when we, when we had him on here, you know, but his way of breeding is different than our way of breeding. But if you look, our seas, we're in a more seasonal atmosphere. So like, it almost makes it sort of easy. I should say easier for us to be able to breed, you know, carpet pythons, especially the colder animals, you know, that the, what I call spring breeders, the diamonds, inlens, brettles, maybe one day, hopefully in Burkata. But you know, those four, yeah, those four subspecies and species, I should say two subspecies and two species. Just putting hairs. So yeah, right. I know I don't want somebody to tell me you're an idiot or something like that. I want those. Yeah. But anyway, I don't know the same species. Oh my god, we're just ruining dreams all over the night. The panthers, the hoax, the panthers, everything, let them be, oh god, all right, all right, all right, all right. The same animal, the same thing. You should be able to breed them together with Angolan python. Yeah, they'd be familiar beard iscarnata. That's what they know. Oh my god. Anyway, you're direct all your anger emails to info at merleaplethonradio.com. Yeah. Thank you. Now back to the regular schedule program. Yeah. Anyway, so they're not able to drop those animals down as easily, if at all, to the temperatures that we're able to drop to with, with, you know, I was talking to, I was talking to both Michael and Bill, but Michael was telling me about the, the inland and the Brisbane's and he was having trouble, you know, getting, getting a girl to go and then having slugs with the other just because he felt that he wasn't able to get them cold enough. So, I don't know, when you look at carpets, I mean, they're pretty, they're, they're bull, I don't want to say bulletproof, but they're pretty cold. They are. But look at this way, I had trouble breeding the bridles this year in Pennsylvania. Imagine trying to breed them with, in, in like Texas or Nevada, Arizona. How the hell are you going to get them down to the temp you need to get them at? Yeah. I mean, it's, and I, and I know we've talked to some breeders, some who actually have a sees in the snake room to be using the summertime, or even in the wintertime to get temps down where they need them to be. They're ways around us. Also, in my opinion, an animal raised in a certain environment, like a hatchling that was born in Texas, raised in Texas, will probably be easier to breed in Texas than it will, you know, it's, it's one of those things where you can't, they kind of grow up with the environment and they might not care. But I can see that being a hard problem. So obviously, you know, when we, when we say this several times, just because it works for one person doesn't mean it's going to work exactly for you. The whole point of the show is you can know how other breeders do it. Learn from them, take some advice and use it to, for your own stan, own purposes. Use bits and pieces to build your own method of breeding that suits you the best and your environment and your snake room, every snake room is different. You and I lived, what was it, 10 minutes away from each other? And basically, and both our snake rooms were kept different, reacted different, but we still got a, we both fed different, everything was different and 10 minutes away from each other. We still both got successful clutches out of our animals. So, like I said, there is a hundred different ways to skin this cat. You just got to find which way works best for you. We are showing you different ways that people do it because then we might end up interviewing a breeder that lives close by you that you might be able to use what they're doing to get your guys to breed. So, yeah, one of the, I just thought that that was an important point to bring up, but I think on Bill's interview, one of the things that he was talking about was just tolerance in the reptile community for people doing things differently, looking at things differently, approaching things differently, you know, it's just such great advice. And it would make for a much better place and a much better hobby, you know. So, that's, that's just kind of the, what, I just wanted to make sure that people understood that just like Owen said, there's just so many different ways to do this and, you know, what works for one guy. I sort of, you know what I've done over the years in talking to all these different keepers and breeders and I've just sort of watched my animals and listened to little triggers that they saw that made them tweak, whatever they were doing one way or another. I also listened to people that breed different species. I think that's important too because a lot of times you can get little tips or tricks, you know, that can help you keep the species you have just by, you know, listening to, you know, their approach, you know, working with something completely different than what you're working with. So, that's, that's my thoughts on that. I did have another question that I thought maybe we could discuss for a bit. What do you think about, is there ever, this is another thing that was brought up at the Carpet Fest, but is there ever a bottom line price for an animal meaning that if you have, I don't know, let's, let's use albino carpet pythons. So, I remember when I got into this back, back, back long ago, to get in on that project was like, I want to say they were a hundred thousand dollars. They were, they were, they were close. I mean, was it the first, first jags to come in to the country? I think somebody paid an hundred thousand for two of them, like there's a pair for fifty thousand dollars each or something like that. It was, these things are not cheap at all. Right. And obviously, you're not going to have that price at that level. God, no. For any length of time, right? No, no, no, that is, that is those people who pay that money are the people who are getting it and are the first ones to get it. And, you know, the point is that they paid that money to be the first person to get it. Whether or not they ever do anything with it is all up to them and their skills as a breeder, but yeah. That's some, that's a ridiculous money. But anyway, so you would see a fall, the price falls, the price falls. I think if we're going back to the albino reference, you know, I think last year there were a thousand bucks. Now I see, I just saw tonight they were somewhere around 500 bucks, which is that the new price? I don't know. I don't know whether that's new price or not. And I know eventually it all falls, which I don't have. I don't, I don't, I'm not against the price coming down because I think that opens up the market. Well, does the price have to continue to fall? And what I mean by that is, is there a point where the price should just bottom out? Yeah. Well, just stay the same. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, that's what you normally, unfortunately, that price is what the is when you can't get any lower without turning a profit. So that's what that price will eventually be. The issue I have with the price is dropping is not that it drops, is the amount and how fast. It's like, all right. So albino's worth a thousand dollars last year. That doesn't mean that this year they have to be $500. You know, if you want to drop prices, why not drop them to like seven or eight? Well, they were. They were. They, they did. It didn't sell. I, it's still, I mean, Jesus Christ. You're going to take, you're going to take an animal and cut the price of it in half. I'm telling you right now is if I had bought, say I bought an albino towards the tail end of last year for $1,000 and then three weeks later, you're selling albinos for $500, you're going to be getting an upset phone call for me. Because it's like, well, why the hell did I pay double? And it's ridiculous. Also, dude, it's, to be honest, if I see somebody, like I saw somebody on King Snake selling caramels for $120, $150. And if, and I happened to know that guy, if you think I'm going to sell him another animal and the rest of my life, you're goddamn crazy. So it does have repercussions, this whole slash and grab stock. I, I don't like it. I really don't, because part of me thinks it's laziness because you're not willing to try to sell it at this price, you're just trying to find where you get more people biting. So, but, but, but my question, I know we've, we've talked about those questions. Yeah, my question is this though, is there a point at which it should stop dropping? Well, so let's say for sake of argument, right? It was $1,000, nobody brought them, they dropped them down to 700, still no, you know, it was overproduced, they dropped them down to five, still no go, they dropped them down to four, and now they start to sell. Why, what are your thoughts on, is that now the bottom price? So what I mean, so, so if you wanted an albino carpet, regardless of what year it is, you're going to pay 400 bucks. You know what I mean? So like, if you're, I mean, to me, if you look at other pets, right, you know, you go and you look at other pets, if you go and buy a dog, you know, whether you're buying, you know, your dog or my dog, purebred dogs, they're going to be a certain amount of money. You know, some rarer breeds are going to be more expensive. Some breeds that are more popular, they're going to be less expensive, you know what I mean? If you have a quality, a certain quality standard, like a show breed of some sort, I would imagine that they would be, you know. Oh, you're exactly correct. Of course more. Yeah, you're exactly correct, you know. I'm a jackass outside of my two German shepherds, and I breed them, and tell them on Craigslist, I'm only going to get this amount of money. I'm an AKC licensed breeding facility, and I have champion line German shepherds that go all the way back to the original importation from Germany, I can charge probably about $1,000 a puppy. But they don't drop them to 900 the next year. That's my point. Exactly. What they just, if they have puppies left over, they don't breed more puppies. Anyway, but there is a ceiling on certain things, like for a while, a good looking coastal carpet demanded like MPAN or whatever demands about 200 bucks, in my opinion. So I will not, and I would not let my jags or anything that is a morph drop below 200 dollars, because if I'm charging this much for a normal, good looking one, I have to charge a little bit more for something that has a genetic mutation involved with it. Right, so, okay, so let's use that example. Well, that was the ceiling, the problem is, is that, you know, and the problem is that I got an argument with somebody once, is that people don't seem to care if it's a good looking coastal. It's a coastal. Coastal's are $80. Well, some coastal's are, but not my coastal's. Why are you showing a yearling coastal that should be $80 at a show when, for $21, only because it's a year old, it's one of my coastal's, I produced it. So, it's just the way it goes, it's because now, now people perceive coastal would be $80 regardless of what the hell it is. JAG should be $100. Well, that doesn't work for me. So, it may take me longer to get the price that I want, but I'm still going to get the price that I want. Like, it may take me until my JAGs are almost a year old to get the $200 that I want for them, but I'm going to get the $200 for the JAGs. And because I know how much it costs to raise them up, I'm still making a profit on those animals, but I'm willing to wait. I'm also willing to not produce just a clutch of JAGs just because I need a clutch of JAGs for some God's sake and reason. So, that's the difference. So, yeah, there is a feeling there's room to wiggle in that too. So, yeah, I just wonder, I mean, I've thought about it that way, but I guess when we were talking about it out loud, it just kind of, you know, just kind of clicked that it was the thinking of, you know, that kind of makes sense that, like, why would you take a, you know, if a standard coastal is, even let's say it's $150, right? And that's what they sell at. So, I would much rather sell 10 snakes at $150, I think it would be easier. I think it would expand the, you know, expand the hobby than sell 10 snakes at $10,000. Yeah. I just think that that's a more difficult sell. That's a certain person and, you know, everybody's in a race to get that, you know, get that sale. I mean, what was it Jamie said, we're racing to the bottom and that's stupid, but it's like the thing that kind of, you know, sticks with me is that there are many different ways to, you know, sell your snake and do all sorts of stuff, but it's like, it just takes patience, it just takes time. And, you know, I have my animal set at this price, and if anything, the price is going to go up at the longer I have it because it's close to the breeding age. It's starting to show color, blah, blah, blah, blah. I never understand. I've never ever had like a weekend blowout sale where it's like, everything must go. Why? Why would we do this to ourselves? Like, I don't go to the dog show in Philly and get handed like, oh, for walking in and buying a dog biscuit, here's three freaking puppies that I can't get rid of take them. Like, that's, that's wrong. If somebody did that, people will lose their freaking minds. But it's like, I don't do that. It's, and I understand I'm not trying to tell somebody how to run their business or how to run their snake breeding or anything like that. It just, you, with one hand, you slash prices and try to get animals to go for like 10% off of this weekend or for sale for the next three weeks. I got to get this thing moving because I got other babies coming that are just like it. But in the other hand, you complain about how the market sucks, nothing's selling, and you have to keep going, going, going, going. So it's, it's kind of, kind of stupid to watch these people sometimes. So I really, I really don't think the market sucks. It doesn't. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think that, uh, I don't think it's doom and glue. I, I don't know. I guess this weekend just kind of open like listening to different viewpoints. And I've known me and you have talked about this and me, you, Zach and Matt, you know, we've had conversations about this till the cows come home. But, you know, to, to go outside and outside of the, the element and talk to people, you know, outside of the show and, and, and just get different opinions. Just kind of really reinforced, you know, I don't know. It just seems like, it just seems like to me that, that the hobby is more, is about more than, than just that. You should be. You know, I think that, uh, it's supposed to be something that's, that's not stressful. It's supposed to be something that you enjoy. It's supposed to be something that, you know, uh, but it does require certain things and probably the most important thing, like you just said, oh, when there's patience. I mean, first of all, especially with dealing with, you know, if you're dealing with carpets or chondros, um, you know, even scrubs and, and species like that, because they take a quite a while to grow up. 17 years, you know, you know, uh, even if you get it, it's so much worth it because, I mean, we've been raising our olives for close, they're almost seven. And it's like, we put our, you know, blood, sweat, tears into that project. And now it's going to pay off soon where I, I could have easily just encountered somebody who breathed olives and imported a box of olives and sold them off and been like, I'm olives. I love olives. It, it, that, that, that, that selling yourself short. You're not, that, that, you're not in it for the right reasons, in my opinion, but whatever. So, and, and the way I would say, if I'm going to say that the market sucks, the only way I'm ever going to save the market sucks is if I have not sold a single baby that I've produced in one year, it may be not, but even with that, yeah. Yeah, but even with that, the market might not suck at all. Maybe you suck at selling. Maybe I, I have, let's put this way, I have one 2013 floating around. Carmel, male, he's just the last one here. I have four 2014s left. And I have almost, I think I sold four, five 2015s already. So, it's, it's small pieces. And do, do I really, there's some people who'd be looking at that 2013 Carmel male and being like, my God, he's taking up case space. Why are you still here? I'm looking at him going, you know what, if you're still here in October, I might put your ass to work. And then you get sold as a computing mail. And then your price goes up even further. It's like, it's one of those. And the, the four, four teams that I have left, actually, hold on. Holy crap, I'm down to 114. I forgot those other ones are sold. Then my, I'm down to 114 left. So it's like, sometimes it's had that one that's straggler. And I'm not going to push it to get him out the door. Because sometimes you get the people who are like, my male died or he's not breeding. Do you have anything that's close to breeding age? I'm like, well, this guy, if you kind of push them a little bit, it'll probably do your, and they buy them up. So why, why am I going to sell my options to sell the customer short? Because I got to make cage space. I got to make cage space. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, whatever. These things happen. You don't really tell you guys so many times. Yeah, like I said, I just thought the whole idea of having a price just sort of stay, you know, at a, at a price and just stay there. You know, they don't have to drop. Don't get nervous. You know, if we go, I think like I was talking to somebody earlier tonight and they were asking me about, you know, about albinos in particular. And I said, I'm just making double heads this season. I'm not making any visual albinos just because I think for one, I think the market is kind of flooded with them. Yeah. Which that can just be what people also need to understand is that can just be ebb and flow. I mean, people can produce a ton of albinos this year. But it was to say that they're obviously because the market is now kind of saturated with albino. Hopefully people kind of stop producing just straight albino. And we kind of dwindle the numbers down a little bit with how many just straight albinos are being produced. And that kind of closes that down a little bit more. So well, it's just like if you look at, if you look at ring pythons, they're the, they're the perfect example. I mean, they are, you know, you look at ring pythons. At one point, they were probably 100 bucks at a show. I think, I think when I saw them at the N.A.R.B.C. in Philadelphia, they were like 75 bucks. Because everybody had them. They were all breathing like bunny rabbits. So then everybody stopped breathing because they only get 100 bucks apiece. The adult rings were sold. Pairs were split up. Animals went here, they're the people who may not have been to experience with them. Animals died. Animals shifted over. All of a sudden, no ring pythons were being produced. So now the price for ring pythons is what is it now there? But I would. A couple of hundred bucks apiece. Ring pythons? Yeah. They're like 1500 a pair, dude. That's a couple of hundred pythons. Yeah, it sucks. Anyway, um, it's, they're, they're, that's like five, 50 a piece. Yeah. So if they're six, Jesus Christ. Anyway, so that's where they're at. So, and other, the thing is now is everybody's so more crazy. Nobody's building back up on the ring pythons. So it's like they're not, so like normally what you would expect now is there to be an overflow ring pythons, but it's not happening. So the ring pythons are staying at, like you said, like five, 600 bucks. They've been that way for like three years. When you're, I think there's maybe what one or maybe two people in the U.S. that produce them. I know Tom Kieugen. Tom Kieugen, I know Chad. Yeah. Pretty much it. I'm pretty sure. So like one spot. Yeah. That's, that's a good spot to be in, you know, and a lot of people do they bail on that project. Do they not bet? You know what I mean? Then you got people to bail on it because they say, oh, well, you know, I think, I think what happens is you get this little, people get this little buzz because they say, whoa, they're actually they're 1200 a pair, but they see this little buzz where they go, they're 1200 a pair. Oh, I want to make that, you know, I want to make money and then get in and then they realize that they don't really dig the species and what ends up happening is that they end up getting out of it because it's not what they want it to be much. Yeah, you'd be much better off, I think, long term to get the species that you like, whether that is carpet, candro, a ball python, you know, you know, if that's what you want to get into, then that's what you should do. You shouldn't do ring pythons simply because, you know, they're the current fat because by the time you get to breed, you know, they're not going to be so funny because it's like certain animals come and go and certain animals, like they get an import or outpour of the animal and then they disappear forever. But, you know, they should never, I don't believe they should ever be not like a species not being produced in this country that's here. Like, you know, the fact that we had to get certain, I think Nick was talking about like guns or something like that had to be shipped back into the country because people stopped breeding them or something like that. So, yeah, it's like, it's one of those, I would hate to have to go out and get ring pythons because nobody ever built them back up again. But, I don't think that's going to happen. I hope it's not going to happen. But definitely one of those things of like also what you see from a financial standpoint may not be everything you see on the surface. Andrew, when Andrew hatched a mangrove monitors here, he was selling them for a couple hundred bucks a piece. So, he was talking to some of the importers and they started bringing in baby mangrove monitors because he was getting a couple hundred bucks a piece for his. But these are captive born and bred monitor babies compared to these things that are skinny and were caught in the wild or born on a farm. So, it wasn't really, and they couldn't sell any of theirs. So, it's just funny. Sometimes they get a closer look. Yeah, interesting. Well, we're dwindling down on time. Yes, we are. One of the things that I wanted to make sure that we get out there is this Saturday, nine o'clock, tune in to GTP Keeper Radio because they're going to be talking about Condro breeders in the UK. Nice. I don't know if they're having a round table or a specific guest, but it should be interesting to hear. There's some cool stuff over there for sure. So, that's this Saturday. So, make sure to check that out. We talked about the carpet fest in northwest. We talked about the booster. Well, actually, I have an update on the booster. Okay. We now have 17 shirts sold. We started at six. Yeah, Bill came in and bought 10 shirts, apparently. So, nice. I don't know why he needs 10 shirts, but I'm not going to complain. I guess he figures at least one of them will fit. That was cold. Anyway, that was quick-witted, man. Come on. No, that's my job on this show. Goddamn it. Anyway, so, if you are on the fence about a booster, please go over. You don't have to buy 10 shirts. One will do. And just support us, support us. And it's a good shirt. I always like those shirts. So, cool to see them out there. So, again, I can't, as we wrap up, I can't express my sincerest thanks to Bill and his wife for opening up their house and letting us come and check out his collection and being so welcoming and just being an awesome person. I mean, it just, I just have been re-est- my faith has been reestablished in the people, in the morality world. I witnessed it this past weekend. Everybody I met down there at the Southern Carpet Fest was. I couldn't tell you they were all great people. It was a pleasure meeting every single one of them. You know, it was great. I can't wait till next year. I definitely- that will definitely be one that I always go to, for sure. It's well worth the trip. So, I put a whole bunch of pictures from the weekend over on the Carpet Fest website. So, you can check that out if you want to see what went on. But yeah, it was a good time. You know, thanks again to Evan, Evan Browder, Carpet Cartel, the man to myth, the legend, straight out of Beoc. That's how he rolls, you know, everything that comes out of Beoc, it's a bitch. That's what we decided. That's enough. Anything that comes out of Beoc, bastard of an animal. Think about it. Well, yeah, that's obvious. Yeah. So, Kondros that kill you. Scrub pythons, forget about it. Wasn't that David Jean's Beoc like one of the craziest scrubs he had? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was huge too. Yeah. So, I'm sure if there was a Carpet python on Beoc, that would be a MF or two. But I don't know, is there any monitors from Beoc? I assume there are several. I think it would just be different localities of a certain type of monitor. I don't know which one though. Did they get out about localities and monitor world? They do, but they don't. It's almost like it's one of those you would want to have a pair of something from a certain locality. But if you can't get a pair of a certain locality, neighboring localities will do. But it's a little harder and certain species, especially in the African monitors, because not a lot of research has been done with them. So, it's kind of hard to even peg with what you got. So, this is all according to Andrew when I pick up with other things. So, which he's going to end up having another clutch of white throats. Apparently, they're breeding. So, more monitor eggs. Very cool. So, yeah, there you go. So, and don't forget, October 3rd is the Northwest Carpet Fest. Like we talked about earlier, if you're out on that west coast, it's definitely something you want to go and check out. And then I think it's November 9th. I'm not sure the exact date. November, let me get it, is the Southeast Carpet Fest. Hold on, give me a second. I'll pull it out. North Southeast. Southeast is November 7th. November 7th to November 8th. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, that one is in November 7th. It's in Florida. Eustis, I think it is. Eustis, Florida. And that's hosted by KJ. He's going to host that one. So, that may be one. I'm probably heading to that one, too, but got to work out details. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my wife is down there at the same time. So, that might be a weekend getaway for me. So, cool. Let's see. As far as next week, we don't have a guest lined up yet, Ellen. Oh, goodness. No. I know the week after that is, I think that's the week when Justin is coming on. We're going to be talking about Moralia Imbracata. So, he's coming on 1/9th. Got some Imbracata. Imbracata talk. So, that should be good. And then, we're going to be coming up on the year anniversary show. Oh, my God. Again. Yeah. We've done this three times. Oh, wait. So, yeah. This will be the fourth one. So, that'll probably be October 6th. That show will be the year anniversary. Yeah. Yeah. Greet thinly. Well, I say year. It's not a year. It's what? Four years? Four years. Four years. Four year anniversary show. So, we're working on some cool guests, hopefully, that we'll pan out for that one. And it will be cool to reminisce and chat and get ready as we head out to Tinley that weekend. And we hope to see you all there because we will be there. We'll be there at what we call Carpet Row. And if you're interested in picking up a Carpet Python, I would highly recommend stopping by Carpet Row because you have many to choose from. That should be an awesome time. Here's another one I'm going to say. If you're on the fence, if you're on the fence about going out to Tinley Park, it is the same advice that I would give people that are on the fence about going to Carpet Fest. It's worth the trip, man. Would you say so, Owen? Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things of like you, if you're on the fence about it, don't think, just do it. Book your hotel, everything you can to get out there. Just go ahead and do it because I promise you it will be way worth the trip over. And you'll have so much fun. You'll even wonder why you even thought about not coming. So definitely good. Yeah. We got to throw a happy birthday out there to Buddy Stoney Creek Reptiles. Can he tell you to do that? Can he tell you to do this? No. No, I always do that. I always do that when people's birthday are on the show. Usually never pans out, but today's his birthday. So I gave him a shout-out for him. He should be good. He loves you so much, Owen. I know. He loves his balls so bad. I mean, he's bought like 55 snakes from you. It's so much more fun this way. That's customer service. Good Lord, poor guy. It's just tough love. That's awesome. Anyway, we're going to wrap it up. Call it a night and we'll go through our list and I guess we'll see everybody back here next week. But let's see. If you're just getting into carpets and you were looking to search them, maybe you're sick of Facebook. I don't know. Check out the forums. Moralea Python forums. It's MoraleaPythons.com. Go over there and you can research up all you want. Maybe you're looking for lineages of stuff or maybe you're looking at who's who. Maybe you just want to post something up. There's some traffic over there, but I can't tell you how valuable of tool that is, at least for me, when researching stuff. So it's cool to check out. Let's see. MoraleaPythons radio. You can, oh wait, we have a caller. Is it buddy? No. It's adding. It's adding. What's going on, y'all? And other much. I'm not even supposed to be on the phone. I'm at work, but I just want to call and say, "It was really good hanging out with you, Eric." I mean, you and talking to you, as often that you came down and we're hoping that next year, you bring those other Philly guys with you. Oh, and Anzac. That's right. It was a blast. Yeah, I think that's part of the mission. After hours. Yeah, man. So many people missed out when they left. I mean, it was a really nice turnout, but to just have the final six people just hanging out and talking. Those conversations went everywhere. Bill actually had a clutch of a ball pythons hatch out while we were there. We were checking them out, watch that. It was so much fun, and just the talking, and the whole straight-out-of-be-out conversation, "Oh, you would have died." That was an inside joke, Owen. That's what I said. Yeah. I don't know. I think what happened was, we had went in and built a snake room and were messing with the condros at like two o'clock in the morning, and they were calm. They were chill. They weren't all, you know, like most people think how they're going to be crazy and trying to bite your face off, and you know, kind of felt like Mythbusters. Yeah. I don't even remember what was said, but we said, except for Biox, and then it turned into, yeah, anything that comes off of Biox Island is a bitch, and it, you know, the scrubs, the Biox, the, just anything, and I think, I think Eric had said, you know, they're gangster, and then Bill chimed in with, they wear patches on their eyes, and I mean, it was just so funny, and it was such a wonderful time. Yeah, it, oh, you have no idea, but it was a wonderful time. We watched some crazy video, uh, crazy beaver, like. Yeah, back in the dude, and, oh man, it's crazy. Then we started talking about the bobcat and the, uh, the coyote. Oh, yeah, yeah. What the hell are you talking about? I'm telling you that, that, that, that conversation, I think it, I think we were, I think I was packed up and ready to leave at like 11.45 at midnight, and then somehow I ended up not getting out there till 3.45 in the morning, and we're all just sitting outside conversating, laughing. Eric telling us, uh, stories about his camping trips and stuff. I mean, it was just awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those stories. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, you know the story. Yes, I do. And I can't have four years exposure without hearing half of them, but anyway, um, that, that sounds awesome. It sounds like a lot of the other carpet fest as well as, you know, I cast and things like that, that we all have fun at work like you, you stick around at the wee hours of the morning with other percolated people and have a freaking blast. And it's awesome that you guys started out this well. You had a good first run. That's awesome. So, yeah. And I think next year is going to be, you know, probably a little bit better, be a little bit more organized and have some stuff to, you know, give away auctions, raffles, that kind of stuff. Looking forward to it. Absolutely. Yeah, but, uh, great. Let me give back to work for, I get fired. Yeah, you do that. I think it's a little like this to be poor. So that's not to bad. You won't be able to. All right, guys. Thanks. All right, man. Yeah, true story. All right, man. All right. Thanks a lot, man. All right, guys. See. Bye. So, uh, yeah, that's awesome. He said he was going to try to call in. There you go. Called in. Good job. Oh, and I got a text. Andrew says they're called B.O.K. tree monitors and they are assholes. So there you go. Yeah, there you go. Fat checker. Good job. Good job, Owen. I knew it. B.O.K. tree monitors and they, yes, yes, they are. There you go. I'm in the pitch. All right. How about this? Proving things all over the place here. Yeah. Oh, one more thing. There's no diamond pythons at the Frankford Zoo. That was another friend here. Yeah, they don't exist. You mean the importers that are bringing in diamond pythons? They have pivoted. Yeah. It's not true. So, anyway, it's all a meat shock. Okay, so moralitypythonsradio.com. Go over there, check it out. You can see the species complex, the war for Moraleas. You know, there's papers, there's books, links to everything you could possibly want, past guests, et cetera, et cetera, all there with the click of a button. My picture, your picture, all fun things. Yeah, so check it out. If you have questions, comments, anything of the sort related to the show, please send that to info@maraleopythonsradio.com and we will get back with you. Look forward to, always look forward to hearing feedback, how to make the show better, guests who want to hear, things you like, things you don't like, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So, feel free to reach out. The best way to get the show, if you miss it and don't listen live, is on iTunes or whatever your podcast app of choice is, you can get right to your phone and all as well. You get your Tuesday, I guess it would be Wednesday or whatever day of the week that you listen to the show on. Fix as you drive in your car, clean snake shit or whatever it is that you do, why you listen to the show. That's how you get it. You can check us out on our Facebook page. You can follow us on Twitter and our Facebook group, really our main group page that we are probably at a lot, is Maralea Pick of the Week. That's pretty much the fee place when it comes to Maralea in the, probably around the world, I would say. There are 4,000 people members of Maralea Pick of the Week. Yeah, a lot of cool things to get posted over there. So, if you're not a member, sign on up. And as long as you're not a web bot, we will approve you and we don't approve people that sell sunglasses. Yeah, dear God. Sunglasses are shoes. The only rule is that there can be no for sale ads and we are pretty strict about that stuff. And if you violate that rule, you'll get one warning and that is all. Don't abuse it. We just want to keep that stuff out of there. I don't know if that's right or right. There are 10 million other places to do that. So, just go post your ads somewhere else, not on the Pick of the Week. No exceptions. And we know there are sneaky ways to post an ad and we keep an eye out for those things. So, like I said, one warning, one warning only. And Owen has his band hammer. And it's like, it's, it's cocked up, it's locked and loaded. And at any moment, he's swinging that baby. And that's it. I just say, release the crap in and then he goes with them. I usually just say, I'm going to get knelt done. We're out of this. Everything gone. So, yeah. Yes, the way it goes. So, yeah, it seems like, yeah, for the most part that that group is just pretty drama. It's going to be drama free and it tends to be one of those things. Also, the, I guess the unwritten second rule is don't be a dick. If you're on there, if some people are coming with questions, you got to understand some people are new to this. We don't really tolerate people being jerks just because someone's asking a question. They may need it answered. Also, you're allowed to post up pictures of any animals you find appealing, but it is mainly Morelia. Keep that in mind. And, you know, obviously, if you have taken 200 photos of your animals, try to condense it into one post. Do not post all 200 pictures as an individual picture and take up the entire Morelia pick of the week page. So, these are just the things that drive Owen crazy when he looks the really pick of the week. You know who you are. I hear about it as I as I'm in the middle, you know, work. Can you work? Can I work? Can I just text you? I'm like, what the hell? So, yeah, it's really hot. What did I miss? Damn it, Eric. Stay with the times. Would you stop following me on? Hey, it's ancient. Yeah, there's over there on the forums going, ah, no drama here. Yeah, we needed to go. Yeah, there is a no drama there. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. That was the one that I did miss. Meeting would be showing Christian, but he would. Yeah. On Indian. Would have liked to have hung out with him. That was cool. Let's see. Where was that? So, we will be at Tinley Park. Yes. We will be there at the N-A-R-B-C show. So excited. October 10th and 11th. We will be at Carpet Row, both Owen and myself. We will be peddling snakes. And, you know, I'm sure that if you're interested in carpets and there's something that you see that one of us have, I would say get in touch with us one way or the other. And, you know, we bring it. Yep. Make sure that we have that there for you. But if you want to come by and chat us up, maybe you want to tell us you like the show. Maybe you want to throw say you hate the show. I don't know, whatever, but we'll be there. Direct all those complaints to Eric. Don't come talk to me. You hate the show. Don't come talk to me. Yeah, you probably don't want to go to Owen when that's the case, but not crap. Anyway, but make sure that if you have the opportunity, you should head out there. And let's see. Talked about Carpet Fest. And then, I'll just say ebemorrelia.com. I've been working a lot on that site, trying to do a care sheet. That's how I do things. I almost have my breeding page up and ready. So, as soon as that I have that all done, and what are you doing? Laughing at me? Nothing. You're throwing it so far ahead of me. Like, I almost have my breeding page up. I'm like, crap, that's right. I got to figure that out. Yeah. Well, I've been working on it. I've been working on it breeding like almost kind of like a care sheet, but kind of a little more detailed. I have a lot of the stuff done as far as the care of Carpet Python's go. And, you know, you click on the tab, keeping and breeding, and take you to a page on there. It says keeping carpets. You click on that. You'll see what I'm talking about. And then, pretty soon, I'm going to be launching the breeding. Have that together. And, again, like we talked about earlier, it's just how I do things. It's not the end all, be all of breeding Carpet Python's, but it's just my approach. So, I'm going to give you some tips and pointers. And, you know, hopefully we'll lead you to have some success with Carpet Python's. And I should be updating my available page within this week so that I have everything that I have available up there so you can check it out. If you have any questions as far as that goes, you can send them to eric@ebmeralia.com. Make sure you go over and like our Facebook page. I kind of do the cell phone pick updates and stuff like that over there, and to do the more professional shots and all that kind of stuff on the website. So, epimeralia.com, like I said, Facebook, Twitter, all the same. And that is all that I have. What I got is you can go to rogue-reptiles.com. You can also go to Facebook.com, look at Broge Reptiles on Facebook. We did just take a bunch of pictures of all the babies that we have for sale. So, updated ads will be coming soon. Like Eric said, the next show we have is the Tinney Park show. So, and I think I might actually be going to one in Baltimore this weekend, but I think I'm just going to get food again. But, if you want an animal, get in contact with us. We just send you pictures of the animals, those other things like that. Get you all squared away. We can deliver to shows if we're attending or vending. And it should be a fun trip. So, like I said, next show is Tinney Park. And then the weekend after Tinney Park is the Hamburg reptile show. So, we got kind of back-to-back shows there. That's all I got. We will be putting up the list of our breeding pairs this year. Pretty soon we have a few different pairs and a few things that we're kind of going to kind of keep them down low for a little bit until we're pretty sure of what's going on. But, either way, if you're looking for specific animal, get in contact with us, we're going to be producing it in 2016. That's all I got. And that's all we got. 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