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I think that was actually last Monday, because we did a Monday show, we did a Tuesday show, and then we did a Friday show. So I want to say that was the Monday show because the Tuesday show was the rough scales and the Friday show was Nick, because we felt like doing that to ourselves apparently. That was a tough one, that was a tough week. It makes me regret ever thinking about doing that whole show a day for a week, because I'm pretty sure about the end of it. We'd be so sick of speaking to each other or hearing each other. [Laughter] At the end, we'd be like, "Now we're going to shut up." Five, and then it would just be over. We were even talking about snakes just in general. [Laughter] It was just like, "I don't want to pull me a bit." I'd be interested in this part, but then I'd buy it or get out. [Laughter] It would be very bad, so hopefully we'll be better than that. So you went to White Plains this weekend? How was that? White Plains was good. Unfortunately, I wish they would planned a little bit better because it was in the middle of a holiday. I was offered to bend. Jason Bailin was not going to need his table, so it offered it to me. And on normal circumstances, I would have taken it and vended and been like, "Wee!" But I, of course, had family stuff to do. It was the middle of the three-day weekend. So everybody's doing barbecues and stuff of that night to go see my nephew. So I wasn't able to do it. When I went up there, it looks like I wasn't the only guy that wasn't able to do it, because I'm pretty sure the only carpet people there were Jay. I'm totally forgetting the other guy across the way, which is horrible. He's got a lot of granite stuff and some jungle stuff. I've talked to him a few times. I'm totally blanking on his name. And that was it. I mean, Mike Curtin wasn't there. Jason Bailin wasn't there. How a redding wasn't there. It was pretty empty when it came as far as carpet fighting ons. What was the traffic for the show? Was the traffic good for the show? It was a lot of traffic, to be honest, because it was one of those, like, I guess people were in town and, you know, they had some time to kill, so why not dip by the reptile show? I'm not sure how sales were moving, but I know of a few people who were doing well. And of course, you know, Outback was there and they're selling away, so. But yeah. Well, you've done a lot of shows. What do you consider a successful show, like, is it, is it, is it, you know, I heard some people talk about this over the weekend about, like, as far as, you know, they go there just to hang out. It's just more of a blessing. Every show is successful. Every show. And if you are one of those people who doesn't make any sales and you sit behind your table and you mope with your head on the table, or if you fall asleep behind your table, which I have seen more often than I'd like to admit. Oh, no. I sort of got it. The Oke show guy behind me was selling frozen rats and other things. And I turned around and he fell asleep and he was asleep. Now, of course, he was trying to pass off like something I would consider a small rat as a large rat. And he may not have been selling that many before that reason, but he was asleep. I mean, if, like, I could, if you, if you can't run around open up with a slur, grab the bunch of rodents and spun back around and never would have noticed. If you can't sell rodents at a rat's house show, you might want to rethink the whole life. But every show is a good show because you go, you network. Now, I may not make a sale at any particular show. There have been shows where I goose egg. And of course, I get pissed off because I've done all this stuff and I've gotten up this early in the morning and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I can't tell you how many times I leave the show on Saturday. On Monday, I have an email from somebody who saw the animals, who picked up my card, who will then talk to me, email why it's called Friday. And then that Saturday, they've picked an animal and they're paying for it. So every show is a good show. Just getting your face out there and networking. There are all these people who are talking about how they are having trouble differentiating themselves or building themselves. This is how you do it. Yeah, I've seen that a lot actually. I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen people, yeah, they're kind of like looking for an easy way, I guess, to separate themselves from quote unquote, you know, what would you call them? Big breeders or? Top guys. Not even big breeders. They're like top people. And my funny thing I see is there are people who will try to find something in the small, small things. They'll be like, this is the most amazing animal. All right, it's a good looking animal. Chill. And they'll also try to differentiate themselves by slashing prices. That's not how you do it. How you guys can understand is that my first reptile show was the Lancaster PA reptile show. And I set up right next to a bearded dragon breeder. And on the other side of me was another bearded dragon breeder. And Bailey was several aisles behind me. And he was there with all his carp pythons. I was there with all my carp pythons. And I had two clutches, high con jags, and I think a clutch of coastals. And everything had eaten and had their second shed, and I brought them all. So I'm trying to sell disgusting gray and black and tiny. And I put it the wrong kind of substrate, so they were burying themselves. You couldn't see them. And I didn't tell a single animal. And the highlight of the show was this bearded dragon who was dressed in a pumpkin costume who happened to be the table next to me. So people would come up and look at my guys for five seconds and be like, oh, the bearded dragon. I almost threw that bastard across the goddamn thing. All right. So they totally missed the table. And then the dude next to me, the other bearded dragon breeder, actually told me that his passion laid in Amazon tree boas. And that there was no market in it. And he said the same thing goes for carp pythons. And what I need to do is ditch the carpets and find someplace else like ball python where the money is at. And then I can do what I want later. Maybe we should call that guy up. Yeah, maybe we should call that guy up. Hold on. Hold on. Because now we're going to flash forward. I went to this dude's house a year ago because he was getting out of it and selling all crap. I bought racks off that guy. So. No. All right. But every show got better after that because the baby's got bigger. The baby's got brighter. I got my name out there. My cars are flying all over the place. You begin making connections and begin making trades sales. People start talking about you. If they like you, they talk good things about you. They tell other people about you. You bend over backwards for a customer. You have a customer for life. He tells other friends about you. That's how it works. You are not going to be successful sitting down at a table with a bunch of fancy animals. Now, there's some people who think that. And I'm not saying you will not be successful if you do that. You'll probably make a good buck. But a lot of people aren't going to like you. And also, you're going to feel like the odd kid on the block. Like if I go out and bought a shit ton of really high dollar animals. And my first year producing was thousands upon thousands of dollars of animals. Then I throw them on a table. Listen, if I'm going to spend a certain amount of money, I'm going to somebody I trust. Not this random person that has no experience with this species bought into these projects really quick. Yeah. So, hey, and that's just me. There are other people who don't really give two shits. But if it's me, and I'm spending probably close to a thousand dollars on an animal, I'm going to somebody I know. I'm going to somebody I trust. I'm going to somebody who I know has been in this project since like the beginning. Yeah. And that's why I think you do this. Take your leg. Do your thing. Build yourself up. Then you can be an upper echelon person. Get your name out there. That's why every show is a good show. Even if you don't sell a goddamn thing, get your name out there, talk it up. See what you can do. Yeah. Me with people. That's why the show like in the park. Yeah. That's why Eric should come to more hamburgs. This way he gets his face out there. People know who he is. Maybe he'll suffer. I think he set up my table and then I can come late. I don't like selling snakes, man. It's my least favorite part of this whole gig. You know what? Actually, I'm so lazy about getting ads together and getting pictures together. It's almost like I don't want to sell them. But I am always impressed with them. I am selling them. I have all that together. I just enjoy watching them go through their color changes and how they color up and whatnot. If it's something that I can work something into. I guess I think when it comes to the selling part of it, I could use a lot of the stuff that I do in my daily job because being from retail and whatnot. I understand all that. But I just think that to me, the fun part is breeding them and seeing what comes out of those eggs and seeing if your thoughts on selectively breeding something could really come into play or if you're trying to, for me, poison ivy trying to figure out what's going on there totally rags my brain. I've done that a couple of times, too, where I've had animals that just didn't make the cut and I just kind of said, "I told you." I said, "Just get rid of them." They're not coming back. And that's what was funny with when Baelin was like, "Why are you selling a bunch of Eric's animals? Why don't you make him come through this?" I'm like, "Well, you know, he can't come down with us lowly peons. I mean, he has to look down on high." But there are shows where -- and I've sold the wholesalers. And the only reason I probably haven't sold a batch to a wholesaler this year is because I don't have that many babies and I want to make sure I have enough to use shows. So -- but, you know, they're always the ones that you want to let go to make some make table costs or something like that. I know enough of the wholesalers and I talk to them and I get a decent price and blah, blah, blah. So I do it. I think that -- well, the main reason why I don't do a lot of shows is my job. I mean, really, that's what it comes down to. I don't have all the weekend, you know. And it makes it difficult. So I have to pick and choose what I do, but you make it count because you go to the big one. You go to Tinley. And then who's to say that in a few years down the road, we're not going to start trying to go to Arlington and stuff like that every time or something like that. I mean, you don't know that. But yeah, you go to the biggest one in the country, arguably, and you make sure you go there. You make sure you're there with your animals. And, I mean, you sell animals online throughout the year. I mean, you probably sell one or two animals every couple months. During those couple months, I've been to like four shows and sold one or two animals. So, you know, I don't make that many online sales, but you do. And then we go to Tinley and everything. It's harder to sell higher dollar animals at a show, unless you're going to a show like Tinley. And even then it could have been difficult. Well, let me put it this way. If it was an animal above $500 that I had ever sold at a show, I knew it was coming. And somebody talked to me several shows earlier, and they told me they were going to buy it. It's normally the $300 in down is normally with cars at a show. There are people who want it, people are looking for it and have that one in their pocket. Then, of course, there are the people who are looking for a pet or you sometimes get people who might just want to have a carpet pipe on dad or might be intrigued about what you see. Normally it's tigers and jags down. If it's $300 and down, it'll be purchased at a show, a regular show. Now, I'm talking like Tinley Park, people are walking around a little bit more, you know, change. Also, now with the inductions of the credit card machines, like the one I have on my phone and things like that, that pushes the limit up a little bit higher. Because then you have some people who are willing to spend that money but didn't know you were going to be there, didn't know you were going to have that animal. We're looking for that animal and then they see yours in person and they want to buy it. So, that does push it up a little bit higher. But normally, $300 animals that sell it, normal shows. Places like Tinley or the bigger shows like an ARBC Arlington, a few other things, those will be when the animals that are close to $1000 might go. Yeah, I think so. Well, you know, here's the other part of it. I've been thinking about this as like when, you know, because Tinley is basically what? I've got a month away. Sorry. I did. Go on. Yeah. So, Tinley is about a month away and now's the time where you start to do the online prep. I mean, like, I guess this will do my other, maybe, you know, you're giving away, you know, secrets or whatnot, but we can share. I think the important thing, like, pre-show, like, right now is like, if you're going to go there and sell animals, you've got to get people excited about your animals about what you're going to bring, you know, you've got to get them pumped up. Like, yeah, I've done, look what I've done. Look at this one. This one just shut out, you know, all that kind of stuff. Take good pictures of them. Wait for a few babies to shed and then I'm going to take all new pictures of everybody who's coming with. Now, the drawback of that is, if I sell a bunch before we go, I'm going to have a month with Tinley. So, I may not, which is like how I went to Hamburg. I actually didn't bring probably close to half of them because I wanted to make sure I had enough for Tinley. So, I did hold back, not bring a bunch of tigers and a bunch of caramel jacks. So, they will be with me in Tinley. So, the point is that, you know, I want to get everybody hyped, I want to get repumped, I want to show off what I got. But I also want to make sure I have one thing for Tinley. So, we should be okay with that. Yeah, I agree. I wish I, I think the only thing that I wish I had better representation of would be adults. And I think that a good idea is sometimes when you have these, you know, animals that maybe aren't moving, that not necessarily be a breeder in your collection, but might be a good idea to have them as a representation. So, yeah, I would show, you know, something that you'd show off. And I, and I totally agree. And that, you know what, that's one of the best things I ever do is bring an adult to the show. I was thinking about bringing one of my female bread lie as a display and then maybe a few others. I have three adult displays. Right. So, I was thinking about bringing the female bread lie. But, I don't know. Cause then I got to deal with an adult female the entire time. And that's annoying. But, but she's gorgeous and she's huge. I only got three brettles left, so it would be nice to kind of try to, you know, get them moving. But, yeah. And then I've also contemplated bringing my female caramel. The problem is that we're so close to October. And it's like, do I mess with them? Do I not mess with them? Do I do this? Do I do that? We are sharing a table. Thank you, Zach. So, I would probably, if I was going to bring an adult, I would probably bring the adult bread lie because that's a later season. And I have two females. So, if I totally screw up this one, I'll still maybe get a clutch out of the other one. So, yeah. Do you think with a species like bread lie? I mean, we kind of talked about this with Nick on Friday. But, is that the type of animal that you breed every year? I mean, is that going to be your approach? Do you think that the market, uh, that, that, that people are going to be interested? That people are going to be interested in, uh, that species to have that in the market? What's your thoughts on that? I would tell you, uh, up until probably, uh, up in, coming in the future, I'll probably end up breeding a clutch of bread lie every year. Because in my opinion, the bread lie are up and coming. Because with the new morphs that are going to start streaming out, stripes, hypo, stone wash, blah, blah, people are going to want one or two. People who can't afford the stone wash might want to get started with a pair of normals, which I have. So, I think they're up and coming. Of course, I didn't produce any in 15, which sucks because of the move. But I do have three from 14 folks looking around, but they're my small ones. They were the ones that were hooked on the live for the longest time who didn't really sprout up like they're brothers and sisters. I mean, we're out. Plus, I was so male heavy on that. It was ridiculous. I think I had full females at a 16. So, um, it would be nice to have another clutch of bread lie. And I'm not sure if I'm going to start dipping into the morphs. I assume when you start producing, when you start producing hypo, straight stone wash, I'm going to lose that, um, like holding myself back a little bit. I'm pretty sure I'm just going to jump two feet in. So, uh, which I have a package coming tomorrow and I'm excited, but we'll discuss that later. Um, ah, yeah, it's not bread lice. Anyway, um, uh, more roughy system. No, it's coastal back to my bread and butter. Oh, okay. Okay. Mm. Anyway, um, what I would like to do is probably add those, but yeah, I would like to get some more bread lie because like Nick said, they're indestructible. They're pretty. I like the ones that I produce. And there's something different. I mean, when I go to the shows here at, uh, hamburger, Jason doesn't work with breadle. Uh, Howard doesn't work with breadle. Nobody else in the whole fricking hamburger show works with bread lie. So if you want bread lie and you're going to hamburger, I'd be the only guy you get them from if you really wanted them unless one of the dealers had them. So that helps. I like that idea. So, or unless I get a new job to where I can actually get to a show. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That wasn't allowed. Yeah. No, you bust my stones, but you like that game right. I do. Remember? I told you how badly I panicked when I found out there was this. I dollar carpet breeder in Philadelphia that was going to run me at a business. I'm still watching you. Yeah. I see. Uh, when it comes to selling carpets, all gloves are off. Jim, right. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I don't know. I thought about that with like species like that, especially it seems like, well, I think my fault with bread lie is the fact that they have such a big clutch. You know, I mean. You also understand it's the clutch size that you're referring to. It's the clutch size that I normally run with. Yeah. Like she only had 16. My female coastal had 32. So if anything, she's on the small side. So. Yeah. What do you want here? Yeah. That's exactly. That's why I loved having her having 16. I just wish I had more girls because I'm using the breadles, all the breadles sold as pairs. They all did everything to one of them. The girls went immediately and then the boys that I had, they trickled out. They slowly moved out. People getting low mail or just low mail that that's why I've done three boys. If I had one boy, two girls left, I bet you they wouldn't be here anymore. So. And that's a lot of people have been looking for pairs and things like that. So that's what you have to go for. So. And what would have helped me would have been another clutch in 2015 because then you could possibly try to weed out some of the remaining males with some of the newborn females. So. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a clutch this year. I'll get some girls and then these boys will high pail it out of here. And then they're fine. They're doing their thing. So. Like I said, I don't like selling much. I don't want to ever. I've been at shows where I have one level of a tear display because that's all the baby that I have left. And you look like an idiot and it's not like your dog Dan time. But now cannot give up cable. So you have to stay there. So it's. I'd much rather hold back to make sure I have enough to at least have a presentable cable display. So I'd like to take myself and do a corner. Right. Yeah. To be honest. I mean, how I painted myself in that corner was I sold off an entire clutch of coasts to a wholesaler and screwed myself. Right. Yep. Yeah. That could be. That could sometimes be a bad move if you plan on telling shows on a regular basis. Yeah. Yeah. You know. I don't know. I'm pretty excited about the upcoming season. That's for sure. Because along with the park comes the anticipation of, you know, what's going to happen. It's good. I'm. Yeah. You know, I pretty much start prepping in August. I really start feeding the males, putting the food to them and trying to figure out who's going to make the cut, who's not going to make the cut. And as soon as I get closer to like September, I kind of have a good idea. I think at least of who's going to make it and who's not. I usually try to start with about 20. 20 pairings, you know, and that usually whittles down to maybe, you know, 15 to 10. And, you know, maybe 75% of that takes. So. Yeah. Look at that. I'm exactly the same way. I filled my fridge end of July. And now the freezer is nearly empty, which means that it will remain empty of all the jambos and excels and stuff, which because they won't be eating in the month or so. Yeah, and you're exactly correct because I did the numbers yesterday and I started making the moves to get everything ready. I actually separated some of the pairs that are housed together permanently so that they can forget about each other in a week or two and then I'll put them back together or something like that because like my Amazon tree bows are always together. And by separating them out for like a month and then putting them back together, he's like, "I've never seen her before!" and goes at her. Yeah, and then the same thing with the Dominicans. So. Well, I'm going to, I mean, I guess one of the cool things about my season this year, the first thing to start off is that hopefully I'm going to add Darwin's to the species or species list. Nice. Check them also to speak. Cool thing about these Darwin's is the one male that I call toffee because that's kind of what he looks like. I call him the PC of the Darwin world. There's a few that look like them. I remember being at Tinley Park in James Mclier. I think I told this story before, James Mclier came by and we had David Diamonds, one that he got from Nick on the table and it had like very, very, very little black on it. And, you know, super, everybody was stopping by saying, "Oh my God, this is a beautiful animal." Well, it turns out that I contacted Nick right after the show and it turns out that mine looked exactly like that, which I couldn't be more happy about. There you go. That's from the albino line. So basically there are a few blood lines that are floating around in the state. And then the female she was produced by Terry Philip, which is unrelated to the albino line. So, that being said, putting those two together will tell me a couple things. One, if that is something that is some kind of trait that could be passed along, if that is indeed a look because they look nothing alike, it would be interesting to have unrelated, you know, Darwin's pretty much outcroed. You know, so that's the cool thing to feature. So, I heard a lot of people have mixed results with trying to breed them. Apparently they take a little longer to get going. I know I've heard quite a few people that were dealing with albinos. Now, I don't know if that's just the thing with the albinos or if that's just Darwin's in general, but we'll be curious to see what's on that. Is there a species that you're going to do this season? You hope to check off your list? Mac Loughton and Olives. Max, last year we had the slug clutch from that one female Mac. And unfortunately, she passed due to complications of that. So, we have another female Mac that was on loan last year from Eric Kohler. And she's been here for a year. And she's a monster. I mean, she's, dear Lord, but she's gorgeous. So, hopefully, we'll get some Mac babies. And then this will be the first year we're going to try for olive pythons. So, we're going to do that. And then I'll try interesting. It sure is. I'm terrified. I actually have a bag, a ziplock baggy filled with the shed of another male python that I don't own. It's one of Jamie. He gave me the shed so I can mix it in the spray bottle and try to see what that does from my olive python. Because we've been told by countless people that you need two boys. So, hopefully, you can get away with it. The other thing I'm trying to do is the cannon bars again. The pans we're going to try again, she put on a lot of weight, which is a lot bigger than she did last year. So, we're hoping that'll go through for us. And then, of course, I have all the carpet clutches. Tiger this and tiger that and caramel tiger across the caramel jag. None of the supers are old enough yet. But then, I'm taking my example jag and crossing it to my caramel female. So, we get some stuff there. And then, we're going to try for the Amazon tree bows and they're making red knot bow, too. That's cool. You know, right? Yeah, I'm looking at my list. You're right. But it's like, I have, and the problem is that I keep forgetting what's out because I have about 15, 20 clutches here. And then, I have loonas with you. And then, Willow is down with Baelin, and then, Gypsy's over with Mike. So, it's like, I keep forgetting that there's other ones out there. So, you know, I'm like, 20 clutches is pretty good. I'm like, no, no, it's 26, 27. It's like, think before you do this. So, hopefully, we'll get something. Yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with Loona because my ivory male mayor, he's kind of like this epitome of an ivory jungle. What do you want in an ivory? I've almost told you, taken in front of you, at least several times. So, I'm curious to see if the white transposes like the yellow does in jungle jags. That's what I want because she's kind of like off white, yellowish kind of tint to her, but when she's bright white. So, I'm kind of hoping that by adding him, now, she's a diamond jungle jag. So, she was a white diamond bred to an ivory jungle jag with what produced her. So, I'm kind of hoping by adding more ivory, you can kind of, like, just make flesh out the yellow and get more white. Now, I understand those probably still be some babies that are like mud, but I'm hoping for some good ones. I'm putting all my teeth in you. Also, I'm not excused, so I kind of had to send her someplace. I don't know. Oh, crap, and I got a bloke. I can't forget about that. Oh, I forgot about that thing. Oh, that's going to be the only thing that breeds some like half a clutch of. You're going to have a half a clutch of, uh, that's what I'm just going to read Matt's doorbell and just drop the box off and run. So, I'm also breeding that male ivory with one of its, uh, one of its siblings, just to see how it happens with that. But she is not as nice as he is, but, uh, if I can produce a female from that, you know, yeah, that'll be cool. So, um, that should be a cool pairing. This will be, that would be another, uh, species off my list. I've never bred pure jungles. I mean, I've done jungle crosses, but not just straight jungles, which probably, if we're going to go down that road and we're going to talk about species in Morelia, I want to knock off my list. I have split up the IJ pairing to get this fucking done. So, um, Willow. That doesn't count that Owen. Yes, yes, yes, they're my animal, dammit. Um, Willow, it's down with this balance. And I have Mason here. He's my granite and I'm going to send him to you and you're going to do whatever the hell you want with him. I just want babies. So, I'm just going to drop him off at your house one soon, hopefully. Um, and then that'll be that. Get those done. And then Gypsy is a jungle and I've never bred pure jungles either. So, she's off being bred. So, hopefully, I'll have some pure jungles as well. So, I don't count that. I think worth wise, um, I don't know. It's kind of like one of those years from me where I have so many possibilities because my, you know, my collection is coming of age and a lot of the, you know, the big heavy hitters as far as the morphs go are kind of, you know, ready to go. Um, I don't know what's wrong with the examiner girl. I don't know why she just wouldn't go for the past two years, but I'm going to try again for double head snows. Um, you know, it kind of sucks because, you know, you put your faith in an animal and especially with a double head project. You know, missing a season, missing two seasons really kind of sets you back. You've been successful the first season. You'd have two girls right now. Yeah, I'd be close to breathing with some people are. So, yeah, which was. Yeah, not that I care about being a first or anything like that. That doesn't mean anything to me. You know, but I would just want to produce a little bit. Yeah, it brings you here. You're behind or you're not yourself back a little bit or this just won't happen. And it's, it's not that you're pissed off. Not like you're going to burn the entire project and do whatever. But it goes through a wrench in the works ever once in a while. So. And like me with the IJ, you just keep trucking along and keep going like it'll, it'll happen. It'll happen eventually. I think it had to do with, I really think it had to do with feeding. I'm kind of curious to see if like, because back when she was growing up. Yeah, I didn't feed her for like those first, I guess that first year. She was kind of on like a low maintenance because like I said, I wasn't in a rush to raise her up. So she was kind of on like a maintenance feeding schedule type of thing. At the time, I was kind of doing the ambient temperature. Don't feed as much, that kind of thing. And. Right. Oh, I don't know if I kind of slowed the growth and maybe she, you know, because now, now that I've dialed in what I do for me. You know, I think that she responds, I just see a difference in the way that she responds. So I'm very curious to see if like this year, that'll make a difference. So. But when they come out, they'll just be carpet, they'll be carpet, you know, it doesn't be nothing special. I mean, that's what I'm saying, but it'll be nothing special to nobody else unless they want to make it. But then you don't have that visual animal to show off, it's hard to sell a project like that, you know. And if nobody else looks at how do you show, how do you, how do you, how do you tell people at a show that's walking up to your table? And, you know, you're like, okay, this is, I don't even know what the price would be, but it's not going to be, it's not a cheap project to get into. But like, how do they even have an idea of what that's going to be? To them, they're seeing it's no different than the $70 carpet by thought. Yeah, right. I mean, I know that some people will put pictures of what more will be around. If I were you, I'd just bring the example in the Albina display case and be like, look at these, these are their babies, you know what the next step is. So it's kind of almost like people will be intrigued to make it. And I have this, I have the same problem coming up. Cause if Venus goes this year, I'll have caramel head examics. And even though the examics does play with the caramel a little bit, Nick and I had a very long discussion on this one of, because stuff happened. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to. And we were talking about the, uh, event, um, kind of influence on a caramel. And it's obvious. I mean, boards are trying to figure out if that is what we're looking at. So it's almost like the, I have to try to sell you a normal caramel and get you to understand that it's head, which will make it. Of course, what's helping is that there are now and people will know what a ghost looks like and people will be intrigued by a ghost. The same thing with the snows, but there aren't that many snows out here. There aren't many snows since there are ghosts because you have recessive versus. If there are more and more snows, people will know what they're looking at, what they will eventually, what they're paying for. That's where we kind of got to have the battle back and forth. Well, yeah. Well, actually, I have a shot at producing a ghost this season. Um, I have a, and these would be pure. These would be pure. Uh, I have a caramel hat, that picked up from Nick. That was male. That's why I don't see why he wouldn't read. And then I have a head examic female. Now, I know the odds are off a little bit of Matt, but, uh, I'm sure, and that's all I care about. You know what I mean? Oh, but also we are talking about you and you're muting like odds that, like, all of a sudden, everything out of your clutch is striped, kind of bullshit. So for all I know, you can have all ghosts and one normal baby and then I'm going to just pull. So, yeah, who knows, you might do well. Yeah, so, um. There's so many down on the phone. I don't know, that was weird. No, why? I don't know. Somebody put some buttons. I don't know. I don't know. But, um, but you should do that. And like you said, you're going to get one or two and holy crap, then you got ghosts move on. You don't have to, you can raise them up. Those are your hold back. Yeah, I'm not even really worried so much about that. I mean, I know the, uh, I know the idea of, uh, you know, posets is kind of something that I don't know. I don't even know if that's even worse. You know what I mean? Just sell it as a caramel and I like the idea that, you know, if you sell something as a caramel, as long as they know what the parents were. You know, and then I guess I, to me, it's like not really adding that much value. You know, it's kind of like a bonus. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you'll get it. Maybe you won't. Yeah, it's a car. When people throw a couple extra hundred bucks at a poset, it's like, why? You're, you're, you're, you're basically paying extra money for the gamble. Right. It could be. I mean, if you're going out to get a caramel, right? And you're just going to buy a caramel, but you have a choice between getting caramel and that's really what you're focused on. But it could be this. It could be, you know, that event. Didn't you? I mean, why not? Why do you want to do that? Why not? Because then all you have to do is just take it away from one season from the caramel project to prove out the head exam. And then there you go, but the mail, you don't even need to pull it away. I'll do an exam ago. Prove out that it's an exam and then move on. If it's relatively close to the same price as a normal caramel, why not? You know, unless you are one of those people that seems to justify yourself. Absolutely nothing extra involved. Right. Which explain to you? Yeah. I think a couple of the other things that I'm going to have the same thing with is, you know, I have albino jag going to a granite. So that would be jags that are double head albino granite. You know, same thing with, what's the other one? There was another one. I got albino going to an awful lot jag, which would be awful. Okay. Head albino, right? Head albino, you know, which I would think would be pretty badass. It would be, but you're doing a visual to a non, correct, in both of those. Yeah, so I'm making hats. So, you know, so everything's 100% head. So it's almost like the, it's almost like those are kind of the same, but kind of not because guarantee, and they're such, they're, they're way more interesting of a combination than it would be for just like having a normal caramel that could possibly be heading. This is a gamma jag that's head albino. I mean, like that, that, right, you just said everything right there. So, and that's going to definitely demand, you know, I don't think you're going to have any problems convincing people of that, or why they should buy that, or some problems beating people away with a stick. Yeah, the, the other one you'll be excited about is the albino in the city. That was coming. Yeah, but the cool thing about them. Yeah, the cool thing about them is, well, you are going to make all of Python, hopefully, so maybe we can. So, I got switch and snakes. God, I hope so. Now I put some pressure on you. Yeah, I know. The cool thing about those, yeah, they're had albino, but they're just cool looking. I mean, you know, so that's an easy sell. That's the other horrible part. The really cool looking tigers had albino. It's like the gamma. It's like, oh my God, this thing's amazing. Wait, it's also had albino. It's like, it's almost like you're, you're like one of those guys in the telemarker kind of like, wait, there's one more thing. You order now, you get like, some of the order for 1995. It's like you're doing this one more thing and I can't take it anymore. So, it's, you're, you're exactly correct. It's just that, you know, that's what's cool about them. Now, I make them all of Python's breed. So, get them all of babies. I just posted up some pictures in the, in the NPR chat. And one of the things that struck me today is looking at these, these three animals in particular is that it seems that when you cross Darwin blood into albino, or into like coastal, like morphs, coastal jungles, et cetera, you like kick up the color like unbelievably. I'll agree to that. So, like, I have my caramel albino that I bought, and she's, she's a pretty snake. I really like her, but for some reason, the clutch that she made this year, and I'm telling you that this is this albino that I got from Paul, that's not the albino jag, because this year I didn't, I put her just with the albino. Not with the albino jag. And this one that I posted up, this first one, the color is crazy. They're just, it doesn't look like what I produced the year before. It's just nuts. There's like no black at all. And then you look at the next one. Now, the next one that I posted up is like, is a caramel jungle jag, you know? And it seems like, I don't know if you would agree, but it seems like, you know how we used to kind of like cross subspecies and all. It's kind of like that's sort of taken out of the mix, like so that you're not mixing caramel into like a jungle project. You know, you're not mixing it into a jungle jag project. But I think there's some potential there, because this animal's just super clean, man. I mean, and obviously this picture is just a shitty, a shitty iPhone pic. But super clean. And the color that I think is going to come in on this one is just, is going to be nuts. So mixing the jungle and the caramel and the Darwin, I don't know, man, I think there's some possibilities there that might be, might be untapped potential. And then that last one is just a super carnal zebra jag, which, that was just nice. But, I mean, it's got a perfect strike down its back too, which is, you know, right. And it's a female. So, I mean, you've got to wait for years. Well, I already have a male, the father to that is a male. Yeah, just a super caramel zebra jag. Sorry. Hey, Scott, the super caramel. He throws him this black head every other day. Get out of here, you. I don't know. It's a deep black head with you. Yeah. I tell you what, one thing that has got me excited because I think this plays the same way that what I'm talking about with the caramel and the Darwin is that when you mix the IJ and the caramel, you kick shit up a notch. You have a caramel granite, going to a caramel jag head granite. So, I'm hoping to get some super caramel granite jags, which I think will just be crazy. And I think I'm pretty sure we have a picture of that over on, right. They look, they're very clean and they do very well, the IJ, the caramel granites tend to almost have more, not the caramel color, more, especially in the background, and then add a thing jagged that makes it even just better and creamier looking. They look awesome. I would, honest to God, be interested to see. And I'm not saying I want one that would be interested to see it. It would be a super caramel granite super zebra. Super caramel. Super zebra super caramel granite. Yes. Okay. I don't know. Do we have that jag in there? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe the ones who look honest to God like a macaws python. Right. Yes. Right. I would like to see that. This is hard. I would like to see that in a super caramel form. Just because I would like to see it. Yeah, that would be great. So I can look at it. Well, that is, well, I'll be one step closer to that. I'll say I know you can do it. So I could have. I couldn't make the super, but I could make the actual zebra. But I put the, I have a granite jagged onto a zebra head granite this year. So that was another pairing that girl, and this is why I think that it's that specific year that I bought snakes. Right. That girl, that's the zebra head granite, is the same year that I got the Xanic girl. And those two snakes didn't go. They locked. They did all the, you know, went through the whole steps and everything. But just didn't go to full course. So, you know, I heard one time before that how your female is two years before she breeds is, I mean, what happens those in that time really is sets of precedence for what's going to happen two years later, if that makes sense. So like when she's, you know, those first year that she's, before she's going to, I guess if she's, if you're shooting for breeding at two years, which I would recommend three years, but that first year, which would be our second year, for those two years, if she's not eating and like really building up, I don't think that she's, you're going to be successful. At least that's been my year. So if you agree, that's the same year. I would agree that the first two years for a girl is definitely crucial. And then also, I think the year or two years build up because normally I don't break up four is even more crucial because that's when you're going to start seeing the maturity happen. I mean, if the head is in bulky or adult carpet like or if the body doesn't kind of spread out, it's like you're going to be looking at some complications. Then you're also going to be looking at possibly a failed first year. And again, these are all things you don't, you won't know until you look at these. I mean, I've had girls where we come up on their fourth year and they don't look like they're going to be ready and then I pull them out of cooling and all of a sudden they look like an adult female carpet python. So I don't know if it's just because I'm nervous about them. I mean, also when you're raising up a snake, you kind of forget almost what you're looking at at the time. So that's why it's always good to have other breeders come and every time I have one of these guys over, I'm always asking opinions or this, that are the only thing because it's going to have more eyes on an animal. But again, they're going to let you know, but the first two years can definitely totally ruin you. If she's not eating, if she's being buggy, if she's even missing that or stuck on a certain meal, you can throw yourself off and not be ready by the time breeding season rolls around their third year. Yeah. I think another one I'm pretty excited about is, what do you call it, my examic iJ's. Oh, yeah, those are pretty. Yeah. I'm pretty jazzed about, you know, I have a visual, well, I don't have them yet, but I have a visual male that I'll have by breeding season and I have a pair of pets. But if you want to see one of them pretty I'm just on their own. What's that? They are. I mean, yeah, well, we've had these at next year. Yeah. Yeah. These are those animals that you mix like, if Eric doesn't get this thing out of my house in three freaking weeks, I'm like, Oh, I don't know. So, but now they're pretty IJ's. We're talking about the heads, right? Mm-hmm. Now, have you seen het, the examic chemicals? I have them. I have several. But they're odd looking and really cool looking compared to a normal coastal. So obviously het, the exam, the IJ's is the same way. They're just really kind of funky, cool looking. No, they're more extreme. They're more extreme. Oh. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they're definitely more. I think it's because of the IJ's colors. Coastal tend to almost be examic-ish-esque by themselves. IJ's are not. Yeah, by the long. Examic, you know. Yeah. They look like dirt. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I'm curious to see. I'm just curious to see what the examic IJ's. That'd be nice. Yeah. I think that if I was doing pure. Pure examic projects. Obviously, I would go like, for instance, if I was making examic grants. Obviously, I would work with the, yeah, I'm going to be. I would work with the IJ examic. Obviously, because you keep that coastal. Right. You keep that pure. If I'm making examic jags, examic tigers, ghost tigers, tiger jags, et cetera, et cetera. You know, all those kind of things. I would definitely work with the examic for the coastal. Now, however, when making crosses. I was about to go there. All right. So. I did. IJ exams. No, no, no, no, no. Here's the thing. Well, if you have a granite. IJ. A granite. IJ. Ed. Eric. And you have, would you breed it to a coastal. Or would you try to just get a visual IJ to breed with a non visual coastal. Like a coastal has no examic in it at all. Hold on. Let me make sure I file this again. I don't know what I'm saying. Now, if you were going to make, say we're going to make examic. We're going to make the examic granite checks. And there are so many different ways to get here. We can all go through them in our heads. But now would you try to just use the examic on the IJ side. And mix it with non examic coastal blood to get where you were going. Or would you kind of cheat a little bit and have the examic IJ mixed with the examic coastal. I would use the IJ. Go the long way around the barn. Better stuff. To get granite, examic granite jags. Yes. Well, the whole idea is that this year I would be making the hats. So this year would be the hats. Now, the reason that I'm not making the examic hats this year is because I want to use exactly what you're saying. And I want to use examic IJ to make the hats for that project. I just think that they have a better color palette to them. I mean, I don't know. And again, I'm just going by the animals that I have. I just see like the coastal examic looks more like your classic examic. I mean, there. Don't get me wrong. They're both fabulous animals. No, no, no. When I opened up the page to my examic female girl and it's just like, oh my God, this snake is beautiful. Now, I understand what you're saying. And I think the reason is because the natural contrast between that an IJ has over what a coastal has for all the natural colors that an IJ has. Gives you more of a contrast when you get that example more shading and blushing of the silver mixed with the black of their pattern. So that's what makes it all really kind of cool. And I would definitely say that that shows up. And even animals that don't even have IJ or coastal that much in it, that examic zebra that you showed me. That's a great example of that kind of contrast. So. Oh, yeah, I forgot about her. Oh, man. Damn it. I forgot about her. Anyway, I think that's what you want to look for in an examic granite. And I think the way to get there would be to work solely on the IJ portion and then try to have his little coastal blood in there to mess with that contrast. That's what I'm saying is what you should do. Of course, I'm saying this because it's a long way around the barn and I don't have to do it. So you can do it and go ahead where I think and I would be interested to see the comparison to your mostly IJ blood. Examic granite jags to ones where somebody just took an examic granite and exam took and threw it together. That I would like to see the difference. I think with the morph game, that's where people are going to have to start looking at that if they already don't. I think that what subspecies you're mixing really plays a part in your end result. It does. I think that it's pretty easy to get into the mindset of like the ball python morph craze where you're just putting animals together for the sake of animal. That's what I'm saying. You need to start with the best examples that you can possibly get. For instance, if you're going to make, just take a basic morph. If you're going to make a zebra and you're going to try to make really high-end zebra's, you're not going to start with an ugly jungle. You're going to get the best kind of jungle you can get. What has been shown is that at least in my opinion is that if you would have seen the zebra's that came in the United States in the first go around. They were pretty ugly, man. I mean, by today's standards of what we look at, the first year that they were bred, the results were phenomenal. I think it's because, again, there's so much concentration on the jungle subspecies and selective breeding that those genes are so potent that immediately when you breed that yellow and black animal, it just overrides. You're going to have spectrums within a clutch, but for the most part, you're going to kick it right into gear. You're not going to be waiting around a couple years to get a really nice, high yellow, really bright yellow zebra. That's a standard now. I think where the carpet community has to go going forward has to focus on those other subspecies. That's why I'm always trying to just make prettier iJ's or prettier coastals because along the way, people are going to buy those animals. When you tie that into a high-end morph project, that's just going to be the difference between night and day. For instance, this just comes to mind because I was reading about it again today. We had John Eglio on the show a couple of months ago or so, and he was talking about those onto jags. Whether it's something or not, who knows, but I think I don't know. I'd be curious to put that with the coastals at Zachass because they kind of have the similar pattern. If you were to mix that, I wonder if you would get a more exaggerated type of look with that. I'm just shooting for the stars there, but I'm just trying to give people an idea of where you could possibly take a project. I think sometimes it's hard for people that are maybe just getting into carpets or maybe have a couple and not really burst with what's going on. It's hard to keep them straight because you're juggling the subspecies, you're juggling the morphs, you're juggling these two different mindsets to wear. I'm just going to use ball pythons because that's kind of the standard of the morph game. You just breed two ball pythons together. If you want to make an examic pie, you get an examic, you get a pie to make double heads, then you breed them. Hopefully, you hit your odds and you get an examic pie. When your examic pie looks like everybody else's examic pie, you're exactly correct. I don't know. It's just kind of like, there's something that I'm going to keep this one to myself for a while until I can prove it. I think there's a way that you can make wider snows by manipulating the animals that you pick to breed. I always thought with caramels, for instance, me and Nick actually used to disagree on this. The same with examic. I think the key to making really nice examics is to breed the examic to a really high yellow animal. The only reason I think that is because if you look at ball pythons and the examics that would pop, they would breed them to things that were really, they just had this glow to them. Because you're up in the yellow and then you're taking it away. I don't know if that's the correct lingo to how that works, but that's just what I've seen from people's breeding in other species. Now, whether that's going to work with caramels, I don't know. Nick used to tell me that with the caramels specifically, you want to breed animals with a little bit of black. I disagree with that. I think the first year you produced them kind of led me to that thinking. Oh, yeah. He told me because he said that because I bred the first year I produced them, I bred a tiger to my caramel. And there's all like, well, they're going to look like crap. And I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, they're going to be all messed up. You're going to mostly black animals. You're going to look like crap. Those are some of the best caramels I've ever produced. And like that you have, it's like, holy crap, the color went insane. So I'm going to show you. You don't really know until you try. And the black for a better term thinker project. Who the hell knows what you're going to create? You know, if you animal, and I'm always about the playing to the strength of your animal. An animal that is like pinstripes all over it. Try to find a boy or a girl that is pinstripe. Bring them together and how the worst thing is going to happen is you're going to produce normal to load nothing like the parents. But what if you breed them together and you get all pinstripey little animals? Well, now you got to try to figure out if you got a morph here. Or if you've got a line, even if you just have a line, that's a pretty cool freaking line to have. So why not? You know. So if you have a thinker project or something, go play with something. Your animal will do it. But do it right. Don't just sit there and go, man. You got a cool spot in the back of its head. Let me find animal, the planet, to breed it to to see if I can get this spot. Well, that's dumb. That's not bull, but it would be try to find an animal that kind of has a spot. Maybe your boss or something like that, or can compliment your animal. You know, that's one of my biggest pet peeves. And unfortunately for people who advice nature me, when they call me up and they go, "What's your cheat?" All right. Well, why? Well, I have a jungle breed it to. Well, I only sell babies, like I saw you in my adult. So it don't matter. What do you got? So you want a male or female? Well, I want a male. You want a male. Carbapides on. Coastal. That's all I have. What matter? Well, it does matter. It does freakin' matter for whatever you want. So it matters. So, feel so bad for those people when I'm done with them. That's funny. I do have a secret project that I'm going to breed, but I'm not. You know about it. You know about it, Owen. I do. Yeah, I told you about it, and you kind of said, "You're doing what?" Don't forget about it. Yeah, you probably did. But was it breeding me? Hopefully, huh? Has the breeding been not already? Blood python. What? No, no, no, no. Is it breeding the borneo with the blood? No. It's all packed. Now, it's something like crazy hybrid. It's just crossing a morph with another morph that hasn't been done. Probably why it hasn't been done. Let's see if people can guess. Probably the reason why it hasn't been done is because it's not really over in Europe until just a little while ago. So it's been in there for a few years, so that's probably why something like that. Maybe it has been done, but it's not out in public. Inland granite. No. I don't stand it. Nothing like that. Breeding in England to reduce pattern diet. Now, whatever. Oh, my gosh. That would be burning at the stake. You know what is cool is that I am doing a pairing with V. I am doing a pairing with V, but she's going to a zebra. Wait, wait, wait. So it would be red zebra jacks. Are we not ready? No. I don't care anymore. I don't give a shit anymore. I don't even want to listen to what V is doing. Yeah, she's not ready until next year. I mean, she's the one that's sitting on the bench. You know what I mean? She's like one of those ones that's like she could go. She couldn't go. I don't know. You better go. God damn it. No, she better not go. She's the weightier. If you weight the year, I can do what happens this year. And all the money I'm probably going to be following to you. And then she can go next year and have some textures with her ad. See how that works? Next year. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good idea. I have to think of something else to breed next year that you want so that I can give it to you. Raw scales. If I don't already have that point. Speaking of that along the same line, I don't know if you do this, but this time of year, I put my feelers out there for, you know, who's doing what, you know, what I'm looking for animal wise and try to get an idea of, you know, who's doing a pairing with an animal that I could be interested in, is there anything that you definitely have on your wish list for 2016? Done. Done spicons? Done spicons. Because now I'm actually sitting at a moment where everything is and where to get it or have been offered it. And it's just a music finance. So it's not a matter of if I can get it, it's when I can get it. The extra, I needed another gold phase white lip and I need black face white lips again. Again, I know where to get all three of those animals and I will get them. It's just a matter of the, you know, money in order and I have a bonus that's going to leave and come back to me. So I'm not really that concerned because, you know, I know of several clutches that are going to be hitting the ground. You kind of put the feelers out, you know, where they are. Now the guns, they're not really been done at all. You're here. I don't know how far away we are. I don't know, I know who's got them. I don't know who's going to get them first to breed. I'm assuming that would talk for than everybody else's. I don't know if it's going to be this year or the next year or now, whatever, but they're the ones that I'm putting. No, because, you know, we've always said a million times you get the one animal you want and then you get your white whale. And then next thing you got to do is find a new whale. So I have a pair of ruskels. So something else got to hunt down the Duns by them. So they would probably be the ones I'm looking at. And that would just be fun to have for the Ly axis portion of my brain. So yeah, they're cool. I'll leave that to you though, my man. I was trying to feed my, I say trying. I was trying to feed my savoos yesterday. And my savoos get so excited about food. They actually bite out of the cage. And then don't coil the mouse. Get so excited, they start running around their cages. They don't coil, they freak out. I have to close their cages, walk away for like 20 minutes, and then come back and try to get them to eat. Try to get them to calm down and actually bite, wrap and eat. So most of the time they do. Yesterday there was no calming those two. Totally squeaking out the entire time. So Ly axis can be funny. But I think because the Max are definitely my favorite of the Ly axis. And I've heard that the Dunn's kind of act like Macklot's life on. So, and they look just different kind of the longer snout of an olive pipe. But I think they would be cool looking today. And I would like to add them to the project. So, and then of course I'll have savoos plus this olives Max and Dunn's. And you know, then the more animals can enter Ly axis. So then what change are you going to move on to next? You don't know. Well, I have to finish the Thrakis. I have to get the gold, white lip male, the black, white lips. And then I have to get ring pythons again. And then that will finish off them. And no, I'm not going to go with all the crazy like Tamika. And I do not need pop ones that are on their own thing now. Nice try. Epic doors. Yeah, I'm surprised you don't want that. That's like your perfect Max. I don't want. I don't. They're. Casper is told to be horrible, horrible things of these creatures. So, I have olives. I'm good with olives. I'd rather have olives and white lips and be like, And these are the appadors would be kind of in the middle. Oh, I'd rather just do that. So, and they do nothing for me. They have this smash little head. And yeah, I don't like their face. So, oh man, you're a liacus snob. I see how it is. I am a liacus snob. I'm a liacus snob. It's horrible. I can say kind of, they kind of look like. [laughter] Yes, yes, I did. I can kind of see how their face can kind of look like a mac, mac box sometimes. But I like the longer snob of the olives. I don't just kind of what appeals to me. So, yeah, I'll add dones. But no, Apadora, no. None of those. What I have learned over this summer is that no matter how hard I try to venture out of Moralia, the carbon python is in particular. No matter how hard I try to find that python that is cooler. Yeah. Better, eats better, sheds better, all of that. Because I try to find that animal. I keep coming to the realization that there is no better python for me than probably for you than carpet pythons. You know what I mean? It's just you can't be argued. No. It's funny because, you know, as I'm waiting for my sevus to calm down, I fed all the other orellia bins. And it was all that stuff. And of course, I've said this to like everything else that isn't a Moralia in my house. It's like, see, this guy knows what to do. Of course, he did carpet pythons. You would know how to do this. You're a goddamn faucet. So, yeah. The one thing that did catch my eye today, and I got to be honest for some reason. This project has never caught my eye before. That's something that I would run out and buy. I'll tell you what's on my wish list for 2016 in a second. But I know chondros. And I'll tell you a little. Yeah. And, you know, I heard some people saying that they're just basically like the, uh, the Ko-fi als, and, um, the only thing though, the difference is, is that this is genetically reproducible consistently. You know what I mean? Whereas with Ko-fi als, sometimes you get a green snake. You know what I'm saying? So like, if you could get that yellow, um, yellow snake to be consistent where it's just that solid yellow, that's a pretty hot animal. And I don't know why. I've never, never really took my eye before, but for some reason, the picture that I can't remember who it was, but it was over on the Facebook, uh, Morelia Veritas forum, Facebook page. Um, I just was kind of like, I was like, wow. It's been almost booked, and you'll bid it. It, it almost looked like this was like a workshop picture, like looking at that thing. I'm like, that, that animal cannot be, like, you notice that, you know, if you picture it in, you're like, holy crap, it, that is, that is completely a legitimate thing. So it's, uh, it's definitely very, very cool. Yeah, it's, you know, again, it wouldn't be something that I would run out and spend $10,000 on, but, you know, just like, just like with, um, albino carpets. Eventually the price comes down to where it's, you know, well, and. Socks is that the old, thank God that this will eventually be one of those projects that will get down there. Somebody tagged me in a picture, this picture resurfaces every couple months of the T. Meg or T, uh, teapotas albino gold face white lip. Um, say I get tagged in that picture over that thing. I don't have time that thing resurfaces. It is, it is, it is white yellow and gold from the neck down. Like, uh, but it's, the top of his head is, uh, black and with the normal colors of a white lip. So it is just animal and people have been. This thing has been bred allegedly to several females. You've never seen anything reproduced. You never see any babies. People who claim to have babies tend to get them around the same time that Indonesia shipments to the wholesalers are coming in. So it's all a blatant lie. Um, I've been offered and babies from this animal. Uh, that are somewhere in the $15,000 each range. And it's just one of those things where I would love to see it reproduced. I would love to see more of them. But is it ever going to happen? Who the hell knows? It might just be that this animal's in the hands of a wrong person like that. Uh, you know, we've seen several morphs that are like that where it just happens to be this really awesome animal that is owned by somebody who doesn't really know what they're doing so far. It's never reproduced. The animal dies or we never hear about it again, which we assume it's dead. So, but thank God at least the albino condos. You know, we know about it. There's lines. There's multiple animals and it will eventually come down onto an area where, you know, you want to really bright yellow, freaky looking snake, you can go get one. Yeah. Um, yeah, I, for some reason, yeah, like I said, that just popped out to me. But, um, another thing that, um, I'll hit on this too real quick before we move on to the wish list. Did you follow this? Um, I'm trying to pull it up on our, on our page here. Not on our page on our, uh, thing. The green tiger, hi, Jay. Did you follow that at all? I've not, I didn't follow it. I saw it and that saw that it was one of the things where, uh, I do know the green thing was kind of weird to me. I never really fully understood it. Um, I know Castle was working with them for a little bit, but I never really kind of followed it and I never really did it. You could try to understand what's going on with them, but apparently now they've been mixed with tigers or they popped out of tiger or something with that. Um, all right. Hold on. I'm going to post, I'm going to post a picture of this supposedly. Um, now I can't. I won't paste. Um, see if I can. Never mind. We were going to do it, but we're not now. So I'm going to, I'm going to talk. Um, apparently this, I was always under the impression that the green. Line was just basically the, uh, Exam tick. Um, the Exam tick. Het. I J. Oh, okay. Yeah, because they have that, like we said earlier, they have sort of this different look to them. So, um, a lot of people. There. No, I can save it. Okay. A lot of people. Wasn't there issues with breeding green to green or something like that? Or there was some bad clutches out there that, or at least fled bad numbers? Well, I think the only people that I know that, that had them were, um, uh, what's his name? Uh, Casper, um, and that proved to be, uh, Exam tick. Um, but then there's this, there's this other, uh, I don't know if this is the same thing. I believe it came from the same person. I believe it came from, uh, let me see if I can, uh, get my stats together. So they bred a green to green and they got plus or minus 50% green tigers. Which is the picture that I just posted. I think I just posted. Yeah. I just posted up over in the NPR chat. Um, all right. Then he bred the green tiger to green and he got 50% plus or minus green tiger and 50% green. Um, this season, this past season, they bred an IJ granite to a green. They got no granites and no green tigers in the clutch. Because if you look at this thing that's called a green tiger, um, it looks like, uh, it looks like kind of like a, a zebra and a granite kind of mixed with a stripe. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's almost, you know, actually it almost looks like an IJ and a granite mix. Like, it's got the head of a granite, but the body of an IJ. And then every, like, if you go down the sides, it kind of has this weird look to it to where, is it granite, is it IJ? I don't know. But, um, so basically, the result from that clutch was plus or minus 50% green and they would be 100% head granite and then they got normal IJs that were 100% head granite. So that kind of proved that this green tiger thing is, uh, codon. Um, then what struck me is weird. Um, they, they, uh, they put it with, they showed the animal that kind of started the project. Um, and it pretty much looks like an M Pen coastal. Um, no, God damn it. I don't know if you're looking, if you look at the outline that I sent you, but hold on, I'm going to try to, uh, you know I did it. Oh, I mean, what? All right. Onward and awkward. So let's go here and send it over. Uh, no reason to, uh, squabble over details. You'll see it in a second, Owen. Now you tell me that that doesn't look like a M Pen coastal. Do you see that? You have coastal soil. I've had coastal soil. Like this. I produce coastal soil. Yeah, apparently this is the green. Uh, this is a pure iJ. Ooh, it's a pure iJ, huh? Yeah, but where did it come from? Do we know any of the origins behind this thing? Yeah, this first green tiger hatched by Klaus Patterson at the breeding, uh, the green and green tiger were our pure Harrison Harris and I. Uh, the other projects we bred together, um, you know, to make one. Uh, that was, this animal was displayed, um, I guess in 98 by Mark Mens. Um, so apparently that, that one that I posted up. Yeah, I'm with you, Zach. I'm a little bit, uh, suspect. That looks so much like a, uh, coastal. It's crazy, but here's the thing. Like when you breed, when they, in order to get this animal, that's this green tiger, that's the founding animal that they started with. Um, this is sort of, so here is a green tiger. I'm going to post this picture out. Uh, send this over and you can see what I'm talking about with. It kind of looks like a mix between an iJ and a granite. Um, head and washed out says a lot. Yeah, it kind of screams coastal influence. So is it a coastal morph? I don't know. This is what they're saying as a green tiger. What's that figure? Wait, that, what did you just post up? Cause that looks like a granite. Yeah, but that's a green tiger. But it looks like a granite. Yeah, I know. But when they breed that with a, when they breed that with a granite, you don't get granite. Okay. So why are we telling you, God, damn it. We need to figure if it's got stripes, it's a tiger. Come on. Figure something else out for this thing. Name it something else. Yeah. Now we'll use. All right, so. So. Here's this. This did not call it a green tiger. Okay. Now you've just told me. Now you've just told me this next to the codon, which doesn't act like tiger. Tiger isn't coded. You got to get the tiger, the American tiger out of your head. You don't even like the bad name. So like a stupid game. Yeah. Well, this was named 98. Yes. Okay. So this was this past year. This was this thing was breeding to a. The green. That was a green. Okay. See, that's a green IJ. And it's breeding to a granite. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the green. Yeah. IJ. Well, we'll put IJ and air quotes. Yeah. And that. And here are the babies. Now, before I post up the babies, what would your thoughts of what's going to pop out of that bay? Well, you said the other things code on them, so you probably get 5050, right? Oh, but we've read it to a granite. So. I assume. Well, if you were thinking that that thing that I did, I posted up was a, was a granite, the green tiger thing. Yeah. First word, you said where that looked like a granite, right? Yeah. Yeah. So if you bred it to a granite, you would assume that. Yeah. That would pop out. Yeah. This is. It's a little. It's one of the ways. No. Do we have a car? No. Get off the phone. We're not going to call with the. Maybe we put you. I'm not saying that this is true or not true. I'm just, I'm just, I saw this on pick of the week. I thought it was interesting because of the. First of all, because of the founder animal, second of all, because of this green tiger and the results they had, and third of all, because of the pairing that they did. And. What is only one granite? Only one granite. Yeah. Yeah. We got that. Yeah. Thank you, Zach. So the babies. Looked like normal. I did. As far as I can tell from that picture. So. I don't know what's going on with that. It had possible new morph. It's not. It was on. Cause then he could have explained it to us. But, um. Well, it might be one of those things that maybe it's bullshit. I don't know. I really don't know. This also might be the next step. Because obviously now the next step is raising up the offspring, breeding them back to each other. See what that does. Yeah. Yeah. So apparently this is how it works. See the, see the animal that's on, on eggs? Yes. That's what they call a green, i.j. That's a green. That green i.j. To another green i.j. You would get this green. Tiger. Which is going to look like a granite, but that would be the super form. Okay. So obviously now. Okay. I got it now. So technically all these babies down here are carriers of it. So we'll see how it rolls. Oh, see, look. There's Torel is on the case. Uh, yeah. There it is. Mark meant 2004. All right. That screams i.j. to me, but. Yes, it does. So we'll see and. By the way, this portion of the show, if you do not. Is brought to you by. If you're not in the NPR chat, then you have no idea what we're talking about. Nothing happy in the world. Yep. Yep. This is why. See, see, even Zach doesn't know why we picked tiger. Tiger is a choice where it's done. I don't disagree with her name. Goddamn right. Thank you. Thank you. If it doesn't got stripes, it's not a tiger. We have enough cats in the world to pick something else. It's all a goddamn puma. I'm done now. I'll be quiet. So this is kind of a kind of an interesting project. Yeah, no kidding. So, I don't know. And I would love to see it turn out to be something. That would be cool. So, yeah. Yeah. A codom. Pretty much a codom granite. That's kind of what it is, you know what I mean? It is. It's a codom. Now, the first animal that you posted up, the first tiger, Green Line Tiger, or whatever hell you want to call it, that looks impressive as hell. I mean, that was cool. So, yeah. Yeah. I think the only thing that threw me off with this and screaming bullshit was the fact of the end pen looking coastal. Maybe that's not, maybe that's not. But when they post it up to post and pick of the week, that's the thing that they put it up as the founder and animal. Now, my thing is that we argue enough about the purity of the founder animal of Jaguar. And now we're going to do this. I mean, can you imagine the debates that would flow from whether or not this is a pure iJ morph line, if it was established as one? I'm sure people would, but unless you can send the internet on fire. So, yeah. I think the thing with C. Yeah. I mean, it's not like Morelia people are both headed and stick on to things. One thing I will say is that the animals that Derek Roddy has that are called any, that I kind of subscribe to the idea that they could possibly be Cape York animals. I don't know whether that's, I could never prove that. But if you look at, yeah, if you look at, I don't know. I have this article that buddy gave me a while back that talked about the barkers and them bringing in animals and calling them that they were from New Guinea because they were going through a whole bunch of shit that, you know, importing animals from Australia. And, you know, so what did they do to bypass that? They kind of bypassed it by just saying, okay, these are New Guinea carpets. And that's kind of the name that Derek has always stuck with. But if you look at them, if you look at this animal that is a, that looks like an M pen, some of the animals that come out of that clutch that are quote unquote New Guinea carpets, which again, that name is a stupid name too because then you got the other Novogany, which are New Guinea animals and people get confused with that as well. But these basically is a line that Derek Roddy has and he has them all the way back to the founding animals and basically he's been breeding them forever. And he gets across the board crazy results in the, I mean, he's got bright animals in the clutch. He's got exotic animals in the clutch. They throw, I should say, exotic looking. Yeah. Animals that could, you know, have, the striping is sick and it looks very similar to what this animal looks like. So I'm not saying that that's out of the realm of possibility that that right there is, could be, is it an IJ, is it a New Guinea? Maybe it's a different locality of New Guinea carpets by the time. You know, I mean, again, I'm not, I'm not trying to be like make it, make it true. What in there? Yeah. But if you look at wild carpet pythons and, um, yeah, you need to get on that, Zach. If you look at wild carpet pythons and what we think of what they supposed to look like, it's not the case, my man. You're right. I mean, wild jungles. Yeah. I watch this YouTube video pretty much every week and this, uh, they go around and they basically collect animals that are, uh, you know, in somebody's wand or in their ceiling or on their front porch, which by the way, it's pretty, pretty frigging awesome to have a carpet. Just going on your porch. You remember I was talking to, uh, God, who was I talking to? It's Henley. Ah, Australian. Um, crap. No. It was, it was, it was. No, it was. Yeah. Peter. Yeah. Peter. Talking to Peter Burks and Peter's like, oh, yeah. What was this diamond python? He's breaking into my snake room. I'm like, what? He goes, yeah, he comes in. He's chilling on top of my racks. And he's like, yeah, he cruises in ever once in a while. He doesn't ever once in a while. I'm like, so would you, like, hey, does whatever he wants. I'm like, fuck you, dude. It's like, that's awesome. Yeah. Well, that's, that's incredible. Well, this guy, he, he pretty much goes into the territory where, yeah, there you go. CC. There you go. Thank you, Tyrell. Man, he's on the wall. He's going to be not on the NPR chat. You have no idea what's happening right now, but we're looking at pretty snake. And you can listen to us look at pretty snakes. Mm. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, look at the variability in that. And tell me that that animal that's right up the second picture doesn't look like that animal that's in that as a founding animal. All right. It doesn't look like the founding animal. I'm going to smack you. [laughter] I could actually, I could actually produce this here, possibly. But actually, at that, that, that one, we're talking about top right. Yeah. You can make it case that that looks exactly like it. Even the ones further down that he did. So I'll just put up. So could these be no big? No. I meant to say New Guinea. I meant to say New Guinea. These animals could possibly be, I think, my opinion. That it could possibly be Cape York carpets. All right. Well, there'll be no way to prove this. It can't prove it. No. And you know what's crazy? Yeah. This is just to show you how screwed up we are as reptile people. Yeah. Yeah. Right? They live on here. They look frickin' great. Crazy variability in the clutch. Beautiful animals, right? Yeah. But the fact that there's not a label on them, I could, so. I could, I could read them next year, right? Yeah. But I kind of thought, nah, maybe I shouldn't have read them, maybe I should. You know, I don't know. But because of the fact that I can't say that this, so basically what it comes down to is, the name is more important than the pretty animal. You know what I mean? That's kind of crazy. I mean, I can give you lineage all the way back to the founding animals so you know that. What is it? What the founding animals are. But if, and now, all of a sudden, if we could prove, say we did genetic testing or whatever, you know, we could genetically test these and genetically test Cape York carpets and all of a sudden, they were on par and they said, oh yeah, they're Cape York carpets. Then all of a sudden, we can put this name on it. Exactly. Cape York carpets and then people will be like, I need three pairs of them. Well, look at it. Look at the other way. I mean, obviously, the coastal blood in the country has been mixed all over the place. Pure coastal in the country, you have no idea. It's got rock, Hampton, Brisbane, whatever. The second now that we have proven lines of rock, Hampton is Brisbane. People want to throw a couple hundred dollars at a pair of Brisbane because it's a pair of Brisbane. Now, take it granted. Brisbane's look amazing. They're fantastic looking animals, but you might already have Brisbane blood in your own freaking coastal that have already been mixed in with the other stuff. So it's a coastal and people want 80 bucks for it. It's a Brisbane coastal. People want 200 bucks for it. But it's not that far off. Now, if I could prove that this coastal line that I've been working with forever was also Brisbane line or somebody else, now I can demand more money for it. So it's just the way it is. The second you get a name to it, you start caring about it or it appeals to the masses. That's when they want to buy it. Also, the first thing somebody does when they buy a new snake, what do they do? What's my snake? No, no, just smash those people. I hate those people. What do I get? Shut up, stop and figure it out. No, it's a hump. You'll never know. The first thing you do is when you get a snake, you take a picture of it and you may not tell the world, but you'll tell a select few people. About it because you want to show it up. Yes, that quarantined it. That's what you're supposed to do, but not a lot of people do that. But obviously you want to show it off. You want to show people. You may not be checking it up on the pick of the week or whatever. You'll still be texting it to your friends. So let people care about what it is they're presenting that they got. So if I could throw a name to it and it's something that's cool and sophisticated and not that, you know, it's rare, then, "Hell yeah, I'm going to make sure all the words are in there when I'm typing it up." That it's this, this, this, this, this head for epipodumus. So, yep. Yeah, that is the whole episode. (laughter) Now shut up. (laughter) I never told you to shut up one second. You're right. (laughter) So as far as... Stop the stress. Sorry, I'm putting it down. Go on. If... Yeah, I know. (laughter) Can't do it. I can't concentrate why this thing is beeping in my ear. Holy smokes. I can't mute it. I'm using it now. No one's in one ear. We're just in three shows in one week. Give us some slack, God damn it. Yeah, I know, right? That was tough. Anyway, we already hit on it. One thing that I'm going to... One thing that I want to up my game on and that... One thing that I want to up my game on for as far as like adding to my collection is some diamond pythons. Wait. Wait. Wait. You want to like up your game on diamond pythons. Do you have how many reduced patterns? I just have one. I think I do. No, I have one and then I have a pair that produce... I'm sorry. (laughter) What reduced pattern? You have a pair that could produce reduced patterns. Yes. Yes. Okay. So... Oh boy. Upping your game would be what? Crossing off the remaining two bloodlines that you don't have? Well, I think there's about... I think there's seven... No. Hold on. Let me pull out the Carpet Python book. I get it. I'm like, well, Penn. I believe... Oh, people. Oh, yeah. Angel is looking at it. Yeah. It is about six to seven different bloodlines of diamonds. Now, are we talking bloodlines from... Because I know that a bunch of diamonds just hit the country from the Frankfurt Zoo. Apparently, they had way too many and they actually sent a bunch into the country. So, I know that one. They'll be including those in your bloodline singing. That's a new bloodline? I don't know if it's new, but it's one that I just heard of. I can't prove any, but I've heard that people are selling these Frankfurt Zoo line diamonds with documentation. So... Yes. Maybe. It's what... What is the... What is the... Frankfurt Zoo. Frankfurt Zoo. Huh. I never heard of... There's a zoo in Frankfurt. There's a zoo in Frankfurt. Apparently, they have diamonds. Hence the name. So, Frankfurt Zoo. Hence the name. Frankfurt Zoo. It's not a guy's name. It's actually a place on a map that has a zoo. So, are you following me so far? And that's what I've heard, at least. And, of course, this is the rumor mill. Take it with a grain of friggin salt. Somebody can track these animals down. Go ahead. But, from what I heard, there were two-year-olds all the way down to hatchlings imported. And a pretty good number of them. And that's why you're beginning to see pure diamond python on dealer lists and things like that. So, rumor mill. This is, you know, whatever you want to say. So... But, yeah. Obviously, what you want to do is add more bloodlines to your diamond python. You want to add... Danny, you go zoo line? Yeah, I mean... Yeah, I have San Diego Zoo bloodline. Yeah. The other bloodline... Well, there's Gary Vail. I have that. How do you want to say it? Yeah, like... Vail. Vail. I think he has a couple different bloodlines if I'm not mistaken. I think he does too. I want to do the keyhead. Good. One of the rarest bloodlines in the states is probably LASIK line diamonds. I don't know anybody that works with them. Ah, I don't either. So, but everything has a LASIK line. I mean, Jesus Christ, the rough scales could have a LASIK line if they wanted to. So... But... I've never even... I've never heard of anybody who works with them. Um... Most of them die part of San Diego Zoo and Vail. So... There's also the river bank zoo. Yes, I've heard that one. Sorry. There's the price brought bloodline. Um... Okay. I know Casper and Ralph, they did a pairing in Europe last year. And I believe that they're working with a new bloodline now. Um, is that the same bloodline as that Frankfurt Zoo? I don't know. That would be something. I don't know. That is... Its diamonds are beautiful though. Uh... Then there's this bloodline that actually led me to MP. Is this Cypress Creek bloodline? Um... You know, I don't know... I don't know if that's... I know that I heard that, um... I think that the name was DM Propagations or something. I think they work with them. Um... But they're no longer in existence, I believe. Uh... As far as I know. Um... It'd be kind of hard to track them down if they already, you know, sold them all off and do whatever. Yeah, you'd have to follow back. Again, when it comes to diamonds, that's why this is kind of so important to follow. Um... Let's see. Um... This guy... Get Bailey. Um... Apparently, he imported this Cypress Creek bloodline. Uh... Bloodline diamonds are here. So... Well, no. This guy was from a while ago. Um... Dammit. Thank you. The early MP days. Um... See, I just... I want you to get them all now so that I can take a look and figure out which ones I want. You do all the work. Um... Yeah, I know, right? I think... I may be beaten by the Morellia police for this, but I think that... The diamonds are sort of my answer to bollins. (laughs) You know, like... So you just go, "No, no, no, go on." 'Cause I'm kind of agreeing with this. So... Um... I think that... I love bollins like that. Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. But... To me, I find that diamond pythons are just as challenging. Um... I shouldn't say just as challenging. But I don't know. What's his name? Frederick over there in Europe. He pretty much figured it out. He's got them bollins dialed in. He bred a clutch again this year. Produced babies. You know what I mean? That's pretty much a done deal. Um... I don't think that... That's really anything to do with other than the fact of those animals feeling comfortable enough to go the distance. I don't think there's probably in a couple years from now what more people do it. Um... You're gonna see that they're gonna become easier and easier to breed. I think. Yeah. This is my opinion. I think... I think what Frederick has done is started the ball in motion showing that they can be bred. Um... Which gives people with the animals more confidence that they will be able to produce them. So I think people would stick with the project longer than they would if nobody was producing them. Because... And I think that's just a kiss of death when it comes to these types of animals. As soon as you pass it off or get it, you just took the project back at least five times. It's done. Yeah. Yeah. You know. And then nobody is patient enough. You know, except the people that truly love balls and spythons. Um... Nobody's patient enough to just, you know, see those five. Wait. Yeah. Diamond pythons are kind of the same way, I think. You know, they take a little longer to raise up. But they're beautiful animals. Like God, they're so nice, you know. Um... They're like the creme de la cremo, the carp of python world. I mean... But diamonds appeal to me more in my opinion. They've got the... I like to look better. They've got the more Morellia look. I mean, a bowling's got a blockhead. I mean, but it's still an amazing looking animal. But the build of a diamond python just appeals to me more. And... Uh... They've always been one of those unobtainable things when I started Morellia. 'Cause, I mean, when I started, they were... 16 apiece. The babies, I think. Yeah. Um... And that was... And it was one of those moments of... Uh... I'll never get those in my hands, or... If I ever touch them, I'm pretty sure I'll break them and I'll just... You know, whatever. So to have them now is... You know... Awesome. And of course, that could be the exact reverse for somebody else in Poland. Is that these are these unobtainable animals and now that they're here. Awesome. And what I think is also gonna, I don't know if you mentioned this, but what's also gonna push Poland's more and more now is that... Uh... The babies that Frederick has produced are gonna start getting a little bit off the breed. And these are straight up captive born and bred population of... Poland. For all you know, we used to start cranking out babies. I think that'll be the key. I think every single one of those little guys is gonna have an easier time breeding than its parents. So... Right. And who knows? I... I... I... I still... So, Poland's do nothing for me. I don't know why. I... I think I'm... It doesn't work. I know... I know. I didn't think that. Yeah. I... They just don't. I mean, they're... They're not as sleek as scrub python. They're not as... You know, I... They just... I don't know. Yeah, I feel... I feel you. I feel you. I... I get it. Yeah. You know, it's like... I guess... You... I think if you're going to keep an animal like that, you really have to be into that spirit. Yeah. Look... Look at Casperman. I mean, he pretty much traded everything he had to go and work with him. That's awesome. Exactly. You know what I mean? He loves his thing this time. Yeah. But, you know... They're not a kind of animal that you have a pair of in the corner of your snake room. And you're like, "Well, they'll breed this year." Well, they won't. They're something new. They're higher up. And I can't give them that much attention. Yeah. So, that's kind of like... We kind of have to... I want to kind of up that game. The other game that I want to up a little bit is my jungle carpet game. The headhunter jungle has just really turned my eye this year. I have some ideas on what I want to add to the group. And I just think that there's a lot of potential there. I don't know. So, I want to up the game with that. And, of course, there are the rough scales. Mmm. Yeah. Well, it comes down to what... If we're talking about expanding and what we want to move in on... Obviously, I do want to move in a little bit more with the jungle carpets. But I am already running out of space with all the different projects that I have going on here. But the one place I would probably want to add would be England. England, yeah. I was wondering why you're going to add them. They're on my list, and I've had some opportunities to jump on them. But they've always come at the wrong time. It's always like, I imagine spend money on a snake. And then the next day, somebody would be like, "Do you want to buy a pair of villains?" It's like, "God damn it." It happens like that. They're that animal, where it's like, "I've just come back from a show." And I sold like three animals, but I spent all that money on food, on rodents, and a brand new something that I wasn't expecting to be there. And when I get home there's an email about a pair of villains. And I'm like, son of a bitch. So it's one of those things where what I'll probably end up doing is scaling back in the... Because the problem is that when I'm looking at it is I'm running out of room for adults. I'm playing a room for babies and stuff, but I'm running a room for adults. So it'll be kind of one of those decisions of I have 1.2 of bread lides. Do I really need all three bread lides? Do I really need this coastal, that coastal? Do I need the small, stupid projects like the Amazon tree boas and the Dominican Red Mountain boa? Do I need this? Do I need that? Do I need all the damn corn snakes? So it's one of those decision-making kind bullshit. So it's... Yeah, that's always tough, isn't it? Isn't it? So it's like, I'll get in one, but I also got to think about it. I have a rack of 32 quarts that are filled with chubby carpets. And then I have the entire one side of one of my baby racks, which is filled with holdbacks and baby carpets that I'm raising. And eventually I'm going to have to start moving into the bigger cages. It's a... I've only been in this game room for a year. I'm already out of space. What the hell? (laughter) Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. You didn't buy the house with the best basement, my man. I don't know. So I'm moving... Actually, I'm moving the incubator out of the snake room into the side room. And that breathes up that entire corner for rack systems. I'm just going to put in a bunch of 41, 32s. 15 core racks. So I have that entire corner there is nothing but racks that can hold young to juvie to maybe even small adult males. So that entire corner. So that's what we're going to do. That's cool. Yeah, so that's kind of like my... My wish list gets smaller and smaller. There's a couple of other things, but I don't know if they'll be available or not. The wish gets smaller, but mine gets smaller, but it gets more intense. It gets more focused or weird or way out there. Because it's like, I can sit there and be like, "I want inland." That's reasonable. I want white lips. Okay, you've always known. I also want rhinoracnics. Wait, why do you want rhinoracnics? Because buddy be shammy. That's why. I also want... And then you keep going. And it's like, all right. So if the list gets smaller, but it does get a little bit more intense and it doesn't ever get cheaper. I mean, for those people out there who think talking to us will lower your snake bill or your snake wants. We have some sad news for you. [laughter] It won't. Just keep everybody in mind. So out of this damn show, I had eight coastal carpet pythons. That was it. Come along with the ride. [laughter] Listen to this bullshit. [laughter] God damn it. I'd like to add a couple chondros too. I'd like to add some chondros. You start with your chondros. No, I'm sorry. We want pure chondros, right? Don't wait. Yeah, I just like locale chondros. By the way, I hate that one. You sold me. It's a bad thing. [laughter] Crindle? Yeah. I hate you. I hate him so much. He's a son of a bitch. He's pretty. He is. He is. He's too well with the female, but it's like, "All right. How long am I going to put up with you?" Yeah, so the... I'd like to add probably some maybe some maroos. Maybe some maroos, some bee ox, or some maroos. I mean, that's really the group that I'm working with. So, yeah, that would be the route that I would go. Eventually, I'd like to add in a coffee house, but I know that they're a little bit on the high price range, and depending on where they fall, that's kind of like... I heard that they're a bitch, though, to get to eat when they're babies. I don't even want to think about anything. It's really difficult. Dude, my one female, Red Mountain Boa, she like slugged out, or the Boa comparison to slugging out on a boarded or whatever. So, that litter's gone. Not doing that this year. So, I was kind of like, "Oh, but I'm also kind of, "Yeah, I don't have to deal with those bastards this year." So, I have one more female, and I'm like, "I'm going to try breeding her, but I'm not going to try very hard." And you know that'll be the one that like, she'll have like 10 babies or something like that. So, I really don't want to hear about the whole like... I've heard that chondros can be jerk babies to get them started, and my thing would just be, my chondro would end up breeding every year, like having like a massive clutch, and all the babies will be bastards. I don't know if some of the more established lines and more established designer stuff is difficult, but for some reason, I've heard Ryan Young talk about it, and I've heard Chuck logo talk about it where they said that locale for some reason is difficult to get going. I think it's probably because it's not a whole lot in captivity, you know? I mean, there's probably not a whole lot of just pure straight locales that people are working with. Make sense? Yeah, so what time? Yeah, we're running at the end of the game. We went through this whole thing, and we never even got to talk about the southern carpet fest. Oh no! I guess for everybody that will be down there, I guess I'll be seeing you guys this... I'll be there Friday night. Awesome. And I'll be hanging out with Bill. I'll be able to see his awesome collection. He is hosting, it's in Arlington, Texas. Yeah, Arlington, Texas. It starts at three o'clock. I'm pretty excited about hanging out and seeing, putting names with faces and hanging out with some of the awesome people down south when it comes to carpet pythons. You know, I think you talked about it earlier, oh, and about going to shows to sort of get your name out there and meet people and, you know, just so people get to know you and if they're ever going to buy a snake from you, they feel more comfortable when they know you. Well, it seems that, you know, carpet pythons in particular seem to stand apart. And I could be biased when I say this, but I don't see a ball python fest. I don't see, you know, I don't see a ball python row. I guess that's maybe not fair because maybe they're all the other rows, but you don't see these more niche, you don't see like Boa row or you don't see Timor python row or even short tail or blood python row for that matter. But for some reason, we seem to have like all this awesome things that are kind of happening in the carpet python world, which I think is just, I think it's just awesome. And I think that I'm pretty excited about this upcoming season to see what people are breathing. I think that we're going to see some new first-timers stuff. I think we're going to see some new morphs that are going to come to surface. We're going to see some new combinations of morphs. You're going to see, you know, people that we're working with, like, just say Brisbane localities and stuff like that are going to start to be producing. You're going to see more just, like, straight Darwin's and stuff like that. So I think that Inlins are another one, you know, and I'm pretty excited just about the whole idea of carpet pythons and the future of them. I think that it's going to be pretty exciting for sure. And, you know, we have the book, we have the podcast, we have all these carpet sets popping up all over the place. You know, you have the Northeast, the Northwest, the Southwest, the Southern one, and now the Southeast is coming up. So, I don't know. It just seems like, you know, just a really cool, cool time to be into carpet pythons. And I'm looking forward to going and hanging out with, you know, the fellow enthusiasts and talking carpet pythons all weekend. It should be an awesome time for sure. So, if you're down there in the area, but, you know, you should definitely come by and say hello, hang out. I don't know. I don't know what else I could say other than it's going to be an awesome time. That's all you got to say, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, that's that's that. And as far as next week's show, I don't really have anything lined up at the moment, but I'm sure we'll see. You'll see. I know at the end of the month, we're going to be doing a show on Inbracada. Nice. So, our good friend Justin Joolander is going to be joining us to chat that up. I always love talking to Justin. For those who don't, if you don't know who Justin is, he's one of these guys that, again, I talk about, it's kind of like, you know, you don't really see him post all that much on Facebook per se, but that don't let that fool you because he is one of the top guys when it comes to carpet pythons and Australian reptiles in the United States. You should definitely check out his website, Australian Addiction Reptiles. You should check out his Facebook page. He is the co-author of both books, The Complete Carpet and The Complete Children's Python with Nick. His knowledge is vast. He's been to Australia. He's actually been there and seen Morelia Inbracada in the flesh. So, we're going to be just talking all about natural history and all that. It's going to be one of those shows where it should be cool because we're not really going to focus too much on the breeding part of it in captivity because we don't work with them, so we can all dream. We don't know what it's like. Yeah, I would love to have somebody from Australia come on and chat it up with us, and I'm sure at some point we will, but somebody that's actually selectively breeding and stuffed down there. I can't think of anything else to hit on, so I'll just go down the good old list of things and then we will call it a night. Mariah Python Radio. Check out our website, mariahpythonradio.com. If you have any questions or comments, you can send them to info@mariahpythonradio. The best way to get the show, listen back to past episodes is on iTunes, or whatever your app of choice would be for podcasts. You can like our Facebook page and you can follow us on Twitter @mariahpython. Like we said just a moment ago, the Southern Carpet Fest is September 12th Saturday and it's in Arlington, Texas, our good friend Bill Stiegel is the host, and it is at 3pm, so contact him for more details if you're interested in going. The Northwest Carpet Fest is on 10/3 2015, so that's right around the corner as well. That's in Seattle, Washington, and if you want to contact Amy on Facebook and she will give you the details of what's going on there. I know they're doing an auction and whatnot, and they're trying to get together the food and all that kind of stuff, so be sure to reach out there. I ended my week-long only posting on my page and MP for the people that followed me over there. Thank you very much. I will continue to post there. I will post to both Facebook and to MP. If you are new to carpets and you want to sort of get a feel, a lay of the land, I would advise you to go over there and check it out. That's mariahpythons.com. It's pretty much the forum when it comes to carpet pythons. As far as myself, ebmariah.com. You have any questions or comments from me, Eric at ebmariah. You can check out the Facebook page, which is pretty much what I update every couple of days as ebmariah. You can also catch me on Twitter and Instagram, post on both of those, but if you want to message me, probably the best way would be to either get me on Facebook or just send me an email at ebmariah.com. We will be at the Tinley Park Show. If you're interested in animals and you'd like to pick up there, just reach out to me and I'll let you know what we have available. I will be putting together the list of animals so that you can see some really killer stuff if you're in the market for some designer carpet projects. I think that's all I got. The only other thing that I'll say before I let Owen take over is I can't say this enough. USARC, if you're not a member, join and go donate if you are a member. Every little bit counts. Now's the time to build up that fund and help those guys out for all the things that they do for us. USARC.org and with that, I'll turn it over to Owen and let him take this out. Cool. What I got is you can go to rogue-refiles.com, check out all the stuff we got going on at Rogue. We'll be updating the baby fishers at some point probably soon. So check that out. We don't have any shows planned up until Finley Park in Chicago. So if you want us to make sure we bring a baby to Finley Park, give me a contact. We'll make sure we bring it with us. Also, if there is any shows in the tri-state area between that time you would like to have a baby delivered. If I am attending, we can arrange that as well. Right now, I got tigers, red light, caramel jags and some caramel tiger jags. And maybe a caramel tiger if he keeps getting the nice color that I keep seeing on him. And also we have some from last year as well. Yeah, that's pretty much it. You can also go to Facebook.com and check out rogue-refiles@facebook.com and see everything we got going on there. So that's all I got, that's all we got. And thanks everybody for listening and we'll catch you all next week for some more more earlier Python radio. Good night everyone. Hey, Chad Brown here. You may remember me at the linebacker in NFL where the reptile breeder and the owner of Projekt. I've been hurtful since I was a boy and I've dedicated my life to advancing the industry and educating the community about the importance of reptiles. I also love to encourage the joy of reading and keeping reptiles as a hobbyist, which is why my partner Robin and Markle and I created the reptile report. The reptile report is our online news aggregation site bringing the most up-to-date discussions from the reptile world. Visit the reptilereport.com every day to stay on top of latest reptile news and information. We encourage you to visit the site and submit your exciting reptile news. 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In this episode we are talking about the current happenings in the world of Morelia.