Morelia Python Radio

Make up show with Eric and Owen talking morelia.

In this episode we will be making up for the fact that we had no show last week. This one will be just Eric and Owen hanging out and talking Morelia. We will be discussing the recent success that people are having with hatching scrub pythons. Scrub pythons are not easy to breed, let alone to get to successfully hatch in captivity. We will also be talking about the upcoming python breeding season that is about to get underway here in the states. We will also be discussing the Daytona reptile show and a few other hot topics in the world of morelia. Come and hang out with us live on the MP chat on Facebook.

Duration:: 2h 25m
Broadcast on:: 01 Sep 2015
Audio Format:: other

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I don't know about, we know that everybody who listens to us regularly was like freaking out and saying like what are we going to do, what are we going to listen to when we clean. How do you think it felt for us? I know what to do. I'm like I have like Tuesday night. It's like I guess I can do something. Didn't know what to do. It's freaking me out. We're glad that we're back on and it's functioning. Not a hundred percent, but we're more functional. We can get the episode out and Eric and I were discussing last week about doing a two-fer, probably maybe even a three episode week to kind of make up the lost ground and keep everybody happy. I don't know about you. Oh and I don't know if you listen to podcasts or you're a podcast fan. You and I both know I don't because I can't listen to us because I can't listen to myself speak without like screaming at myself or and every other time you let me listen to something, like I'll listen to a GPT keeper ever once in a while if you tell me it's a good episode or I mean they don't even put that many out so I'll listen to them. But you try to tell me about another podcast and there are some of them that you and I listen to were just us screaming at the radio and I don't want to do that. I'm not going to mention any names but there was that one that we listened to before the Philly game and I was going to have like a hernia. So yeah that's so boring. So there was that but I just kind of keep for our own stuff so I listen to music and audiobooks while I clean so you on the other hand I know you're big into the podcast. Well yeah I'm big into I don't know I've always been a fan of talk radio and especially when you're trapped in a car for three hours a day you need something to get you through you know so like I guess maybe being a musician like I guess it's a break for me to not listen to music you know like that kind of thing. So it's so frustrating as a listener when you're expecting a podcast to be there and it's not there. Like I think you know I think we've talked about this before on the podcast like a long time ago and reptile radios and I mean you know like I mean when I were even this took us all the way back to us forming this almost five year god per second thing. Anyway it was you told me the most important thing is that the episodes air at the allotted time once a week. We don't like air one on Friday, one on Monday, one Tuesday. This is the time and this is when we show up and then you you I think you were going to plug me to one time we actually the only time we ever switched the show was when we went from doing it over to the Saturday night or whatever. Yeah we're and then we were doing it Saturday. Yeah and I kept begging for a life but it was like yeah so yeah I didn't think that went through a hundred percent. To be honest your assumption is probably not that far but anyway. You know I don't know I always think of like me and you at the same age and level and on that's so far from the truth you know what I mean? I know. Me and Jim are closer in age. Ain't that scary? Anyway, we know. Yeah it's very very frustrating as a listener to be expecting a podcast to be there and it's not there. So you know for that we apologize. We may not be the best podcast around. We might not be the most intelligent podcasters around but one thing that we will promise you is that we are the most consistent podcast around that we can rob. So that being said I mean you know we had well we had a couple cool shows lined up. One I haven't been on here since my vacation so I'm returning from vacation and finally back in the swing of things and had a whole bunch of stuff. You went to Daytona and you put on in Florida so obviously there's stuff to talk about there. We had to push back in rough scale show which injured me physically. You like that? It hurts me. I'm off the show is the crash. I was so hard to get my go. It's so good. We can still get it off. We're not gonna know. Right. Oh yeah. So yeah I mean there's a whole bunch of you know a bunch of topics that we have to hit on. I guess I guess we'll start with you know I'll talk about Daytona. I mean I don't know. I've always wanted to go. It's the National Breeders Expo that's down there in Daytona. They've had that show for many many years. I think getting it was in Orlando. I think that people well way back in the day would go there because you know they that was the place to go. Is the reptile reptile show around? I mean there weren't other shows like Hamburg in the park and what's the one in Arlington, Texas and there weren't the ones on California. There's pretty much maybe a smaller one but Daytona was the like creme de la creme. It was the big one. It's one where all the animals were there. It's one where you saw the most diversity in animals and also we saw the high dollar new projects and stuff. So that's what Daytona was. So what Daytona is now I'll leave that to your explanation. So you said you wanted to go and I know it was a on this short list that shows that you and I wanted to go and actually been. So yeah, I mean I guess I had this image in my head listening to you know reptile radio and all these things about how Daytona was this you know mecca. So apparently it was a lot better than it was the year before. I guess I'll start with the positive stuff that I saw. One thing that was really cool was there was a lot of diversity there. I mean yeah there was your standard you know your ball pythons and leopard geckos and all that kind of stuff but I was really surprised at the amount of diversity that I did see. The show itself I mean it's on a beach so it's kind of a cool atmosphere. So when you went down but then Andrew and his wife went down and he's like oh yeah I went to the show the second day I bought her a massage and she went to the beach I went back to the show and I'm like that's smart okay so I guess oh better spot to have it than you know Daytona. Yeah it was it was it was pretty sweet so you know as far as that goes. The traffic was okay I mean I don't really have anything to compare to other than Tinley. Tinley was definitely busier. You drove down from Pennsylvania from Philadelphia to Daytona correct? No no no no I went down earlier in the week down to Jensen Beach which is farther south than Daytona. Okay and now you still you still drove it? Yes. Okay. Yeah and then we drove back up. He heard the driving crash at Tinley was about the same. It was about the same. Yeah right. Nothing you can do about that. Yeah I mean you're looking at I think it was 15 hour drive. You know so I mean yeah I mean yeah it was cool it was clean. The show was clean. I mean when I go and I compare it to something like Hamburg where the aisles are like probably four times as big as the aisles and Hamburg. There was no Pacific potato sacks filled with tortoise where you just rip in and grab the one you wanted to buy. I stopped the plane. That's good. No no no no. I met a bunch of people down there which was cool. There was well there was at first I knew that Mike was going to be there. So I met up with him. He was there with his friend Alexis Marie. Probably know her from Condros. They keep popping up the craziness so yeah. I've seen myself on the table. All right. Yep. I met up with I also saw Barry Manson. All right. You remember him from Carfest I can and all that. Very good I think. Yeah huh. Yep. Said hello and how's he doing and da da da. And then I got to hang out with KJ. He's a big time morality python radio fan and he's he's super passionate about Morelia and or bastard. I mean what. Yeah so we walked around the show. He sort of took me around and showed me the different different cool things that were around. The first booth that I went to was Chris from Mystic Reptiles. Oh yeah. Yeah Chris is cool. Yeah. He was at I cast. He's been on the show twice. Yeah he's big for his remix which by the way he had purple golden child and ghost tigers. Did you didn't come home with a purple golden child head for the bottom of it. Nah nah nah nah. And he had ghost tigers which I think he's the only one that produced them in the States. I don't I they were beautiful. What the hell is a ghost tigers look like. Like can you imagine a face carpet. Imagine um okay imagine the nicest um. Exantic jag. Yeah. And then put some yellow highlights in it with his. Yay. So it's kind of like that. But the yellow highlights are less like accents like almost like they're painted on. I mean I don't know it's just it was really an amazing animal. It's crazy. I had to google this shit because that sounds crazy. So yeah. You go to his you go to his website. I think he has them for sale there. Mystic Reptiles. Um I love his IJs. He works with the GQ line. Uh they don't get no love down there and Daytona because people are just passing it by and I can't believe that they were still on his table. Not to mention that he had some awesome jungles as well. Really really top notch jungles. Awesome stuff. Um it was uh so I got to talk to him for a little while but you know how it is when you're when you're talking to somebody that's trying to sell snakes. Um you know you see it bad. You don't want to get you don't want to uh you know mess up their groove or try to miss a sale or anything like that. So uh you know I kind of kind of rolled in and told them I make it back. Um but every time I came back to somebody at his table so I was like damn it. All right. Um got to see uh Tom Kyogin um that was uh that was pretty cool. Um he's one of those guys that's kind of like a python uh god when it comes to breeding pythons. I don't like breed. Everything I want. Yeah everything. Um big big thing with him is he's known for his ring pythons which he had a whole bunch. Uh pretty cool. I love baby rings. Yeah. And uh his adults uh which I I want to I'm pretty sure he had some adults on the table. Maybe I don't know if they were for sex. I've heard he had some adult. You know uh um Andrew said he had a trio of rings that sold within like the first five minutes before the doors even opened. So they may have been still on the table but from what I hear they were gone before the doors even opened. Which yeah I figure that the breeding pair breeding trio of rings why not. So no idea which it went for but yeah. Uh well I think a a a baby pair was maybe what twelve hundred bucks something like that. Um Yeah. KJ was staring at the rings as well and then uh he's also known for his blackheads which he had you know examic blackheads and all that kind of stuff. Um which I've never seen the examics in person. Uh they were pretty pretty freakin squeaked. Yeah um I think I think the coolest thing there that he had is the colon spython. You know I'm not like a real big. Oh god. Oh god. The colon began. That was the freak. I'm just saying man. I just would want it as a pet. Uh yeah. It's really cool. All right. So I didn't see pictures of that. It looks clean. That's all you're getting at on me. So you know what is it? One of the and we'll talk about this in a little bit. One of the things that makes me nervous just like it makes you nervous when we see things like that at Hamburg or um I don't think I've ever seen anything like it at Tinley but especially Hamburg. You see some people that are not the most uh uh reputable reputable people that have a carpet python in a tank sitting on a table and I don't even know who these people are because if if I did know them by name I would tell you not to buy from them because the one time they had a jungle carpet sitting next to a macalot jungle carpet mix and they look the same. Remember? Yeah because I was walking with you and I pointed at it and I said that's the scariest shit in the world to me and I'm shooting that animal. That animal has changed hands multiple times and it always seems to come back to Hamburg. But yes it is a macalot mix of the jungle and what it looks like is a very very ugly coastal so if you're some of if you're at my theory or my worry is now obviously these people have it labeled as a macalot carpet but my worry is this going to fall in the hands of somebody who is dumb enough to want to try to move it and just kind of throw it up there as a carpet python and somebody who's really big into dinker projects is going to take it because it looks funky and try to recreate it and breed it back in the carplines. I know that probably is not going to happen but it is one of those things that kind of itches at the back of my head every once in a while but yeah I hate that. Well yeah I mean I think one of the uh one of the one of the things that kind of bummed me out about the show and it's not because I think that they're I really don't know anything about them I don't know if they're reputable breeders or not but the one thing is is that there was underground reptiles I think they're called and what kind of what kind of struck me is that most of the people at the show that was the most crowded table and I'm thinking I'm just I guess I guess I felt a little bit disappointed because I felt like you know there's people here that have high quality animals of what you're looking for and you're going to this place because you're getting it for cheaper. One of the things that drove me absolutely crazy was the fact that they had a red blood python and it was Het T plus albino and they had it labeled as a Sumatran python. I'm sorry man if you don't know what the freak you're selling then don't forget to sell thank you. You know what I mean? The one thing the one thing that I absolutely that trickled through me through several people from going to Daytona is that there were some compartments I think tears filled with and you can't see the air quotes that I'm putting up here but it says baby diamonds. Well yeah that was my next thing I was gonna get to yeah I'm so no we're going right to it because the rage is building anyway it was baby diamonds and they said 400 dollars a piece 800 for repair? Yes there were 400 we'd be able to see which is ridiculous because it's and they and they said and I'm not going to say the name of the breeder that they said they got it from but they said it and it's almost like you sit there and you want to analyze it and be like that that can't be true because I know that I know that guy and I know he only produced this many animals so why is how could you have like 18 of them so I hate the prick in somebody if you're going through somebody like that and expecting to buy thank you KJ we're just going to try to not have the anonymity never mind what that is a face jesus christ ah well that's in the corner time out for five minutes in the chat for you god damn it anyway uh oh you may know when angry he's like the Hulk he's turning green well here it is hard anyway I was talking to I walked over to the table because um it was uh actually KJ was the one that told me um you know that they had carpets over there so before I even got to the carpets I walk around and I'm looking at they had like I said they had blood pipes on and they had it labeled as a Sumatran and I'm just like are you are you are you serious like I think the thing that bothers me about that is that you're at a show that's supposed to be the best you know again air quotes best let's show in the US and you don't know what the hell you're selling and that's the busiest table so like what gets me is that you're you're the guy behind the table you're supposed to know what you're selling because the person he's buying you might not know and if you can't get that right you know I can label corn snakes as cobras and yeah how are you going to get the care right how are you going to know anything about the history I'm really tempted to go to Hamburg and label my baby corn snakes as cobras and see how many dumbasses on the other side of the table think I am serious I'm telling you half the people won't know the difference yeah so it's like really you have to know what you're saying yeah so they had they had various carpet pythons and carpet python morphs and whatnot and I think I think the first thing that hit me was the years and years of morality of python forums and people on their saying about how this is going to just just screw everything up man you guys just make all of them know what the frig is going on and you know the the the comeback would always be and this is a comeback that I use you know as long as you as long as you label yourself you know and your integrity is what it is and you're labeling correctly then you know you don't got nothing to worry about that's not true man that's not true because if these were if these were wholesaled right and there's nothing wrong with that I'm not against old they don't I've done it yeah yeah it is what it is but the problem is is that that now um you have no idea what that really is so when I saw diamond pythons right around the corner from the quote unquote Sumatran python um I was a little taken back by that and I got to tell you they they did look did look like they were pure diamond pythons but the problem is really he's afraid to you if you're buying diamond pythons for 400 bucks you're yeah tell me you really can't be surprised if they grow up and they're not diamonds I mean well but here's the thing even if they are real diamond pythons right let's say let's take it off the table and say that they're real diamond pythons okay the problem that you have is is that when you grow them up and you're gonna breed them and you bring them who are going to sell them to because nobody's worth a shit that wants to get diamond pythons is going to buy them without any lineage this is not going to happen that you can imagine like diamond pythons and lemmeage that is like that is a big hand in hand can you imagine trying to sell undocumented baby diamonds you can but how do you do that I mean how do you do that you can it would be a amount of eighty percent now I've seen eighty eight percent diamond blood jungles where they look a lot like diamonds what there's like the little this or a little that so how the hell am I going to trust you when you say this is all pure diamonds how do you know trust me who the hell are you it's no I'm not this isn't how this works you know Gary Vail and some of the they tell me it's a pure diamond I'm probably going to believe them because they have all the documentation to set it up and that's all they're known for that's all they've reached so well even if you take out of the equation the fact that let's let's just say for sake of argument that you know we've had this debate before or whether or not you can prove it's really pure if you don't collect it from the wild and all that stuff so let's just say for sake of argument that maybe they're not even pure but you don't know the lineage of what we call quote unquote pure diamond python so it makes it very difficult in that especially with diamond pythons that people people you're just not going to be able to sell them and what's going to happen is you're probably going to have to wholesale and any wholesale and then it is saga continues and people grow them up they go to Facebook they go to a forum and then people are like they're not pure and then the whole argument ensues and it's like god damn it man it's almost like you want to go to a show and sell stuff but at the same time uh you know you don't want somebody to buy something like that on an impulse you know what I mean like you don't want somebody to come in and just buy i i don't know if that's really uh a good thing that somebody would buy that without doing research no and here's the thing is what people need to quickly understand is that a lot of these people if they're willing to not give a crap about what they're labeling an animal as don't put a pass in that they may not be telling the truth about where they got it um i've had there was one time where i was interested where somebody offered me a carpet python and i said well where's it from they said howard retting little did they know i have howard's phone number so i called him and i remember this day of the animal and howard immediately said that is not mine i've never produced a fucking thing like that so it's that i'm saying is that a lot of people know who who might be a heavy hitter in the world of morality so the second you ask would you get a phone that go insert somebody and that's it that's done deal other people can be like i heard of him and then we'll spy that they won't ever take the next step forward and i actually am guilty of that myself the ivory jag that you have luna yes i bought her from andrew we got her from a guy who's already got it from carrie and tat so i posted it up on facebook and i got embarrassed this shit out of because tat jumped on it because we don't have any iris at all and i was like an asshole right but what's doing that i did that and then i was able to talk to andrew get to do your email and trace for truing you back all the way to the dude in florida who produced her so don't take that shit at face value just because somebody says it's from this breeder you can double check that shit and in this day and age you've been probably since someone a facebook message from the show with a picture of the animal and all they have to say is yes or no and that's it done or i don't know and then you make the decision from there so just because they stated these diamonds were from this person doesn't mean that they really were especially because i know that there was a zoo over in europe that just unloaded a shit ton of diamonds into the country right so and those babies before that because they appeared on a list for the camps somebody's list so what happened is is that they you guys get everybody's understand the list that get emailed out to people is not the list list we get it after the big guys who spent a lot of money pick over the true list so for all you know a box of baby diamonds came from god knows where ended up here and we're sold to some guy at you know a hundred bucks a pop we bought 20 so but he's going to say they came from a USA breeder to avoid having to explain what's going on so right heaven forbid these guys may not be telling you the truth but again if you're buying from somebody like this and expecting to get pure stock and all this other stuff you are an idiot you know if you want pure diamonds go freaking get pure diamonds from the guys who will give you all the lineage information and give you the biggest thank you buck don't just expect to get 400 dollars baby diamonds it's not even a lot yeah i mean i guess i guess those type of people serve a purpose to a certain extent you know what i mean uh you know and and here's another example of something that at the show again um there was a condro and it was called a calico jaya what the fuck is a calico jaya what is that it it didn't i mean it was a giant paint dash and we call it a calico was it wasn't it wasn't a bill that said if buddy you saw this conversation and what we were calling a calico you just lose this right and i'm like i've never seen blood again it was never i've never seen buddy angry dude i have one of his calico's she's not green she's got all these freaking different colors on her so and that's the whole point of a calico a calico cat is multiple three colors not just like orange so it's yeah i think i think yeah i know i'm good i would be the first one to i would be a liar if i sat here and said that everything that i said you know i don't know the platform that we're on is like sometimes we say things and we don't realize what we're saying or how it comes across which is sometimes is a bad thing because um you know we may mean it one way somebody else interprets it a different way so you know i i appreciate when people send the feedback to tell us like what were you look what we're talking about or what does it mean more on exactly yeah and and there's been times where we've said things that maybe are not true we didn't get to get it right exactly or you know whatever the case may be but but yeah i think i can say with a hundred percent accuracy that when me and you vendor show or any of the the morality of people that i consider like the morality of family so to speak when we vendor show um we know everything there is to know about the animals that we're selling we can tell you the words we can tell you as far back as we would know uh as we can trace back with lineage some people go back to the originals some people go back maybe a couple generations some people just know the parents but the thing of it is is that you can say you know where your animals came from and if there is any kind of doubt with your animal uh what that doubt is and if we've produced the animals now grant it um you know you do things different than i do this one does different than this one blah blah blah so everybody's approach could be different but when you're sitting there and you're selling your animal you're going to be able to tell that person well this is how i take care of my animals this is what i bet this is how many times it's shed this is the the the cage that i keep it in etc etc etc here's the records of of what it's done so far where we're always going to be accurate with that information you know what i mean there there's nothing that we're going to say that's not accurate when i listen to some of the people talking about the animals that they were selling and it's like are you freaking kidding me are you kidding me you know each and one of the things that that that that i think about is is that by us meaning the maralia whether it's carpets or chondros or whoever not going to these shows and representing the animals in the light they're so supposed to be represented in we're letting other people do it and they're doing it wrong you know what i mean they're just they're doing it up um i i take borneos for an example like you know uh when it comes to borneos i don't know maybe maybe i don't have this right and i don't really talk to a whole lot of people that have to do with borneos but i got to tell you when i asked that right uh borneos he's shooting off shit man he's telling me what he knows about it the history of whatever it is where these are how genetics work what happens when he put these animals together how to take care of them and he'll tell you some of the myths that people have out there as opposed to some of the uh i mean the people i there was there was a couple tables with borneos there and when they were talking to the people i'm like you oh bla bla bla what right right and it just right and i'm not saying that i guess i'm not saying that they're it wasn't like one of those things that's left up to interpretation so to speak it wasn't those things where like you really to me they didn't have the experience to speak on what they were speaking about does that make sense like meaning that it does it that a hundred percent accuracy that this is the facts and it's not the facts because you don't know that because you haven't said that so like if i were to go to a reptile show and talk about breeding diamond pythons i have no idea how to breed diamond pythons i mean i can read them yeah i can recite you how to how it's been done i can tell you who's done it but i can't tell you from my own personal experience on how to do it you know what i'm saying and but there's even there's even that different of a thing where you know i what every once in a while i'll be like i'm babysitting a bunch of Andrews monitors right now and if i were to take his lizards to a show and try to sell them i wouldn't know how to convey their care i wouldn't know how to convey their personality i wouldn't know how to convey anything about them i know what to do to keep them alive i can convey that but i can't forget how to breathe excited this can i tell you how to do that i can't tell you what kind of problems to anticipate what happens if it doesn't eat the first week i can't tell you any of that and a lot of these guys who just kind of get in the stuff slap a new price tag on it and then get it out they know exactly how to keep it alive if something goes wrong though they don't know how to anticipate or do anything about that uh case in point uh my albino uh ghost has not been eating properly for a while and i don't know why guess what i just found out it is he's been in a rack he moved from a rack it's it's gonna bug your freaking mind but this is honestly got how he moved from a rack that was a black rack with tubs into a white rack with tubs right he kept hiding underneath the paper he kept not eating at all kept not acting right and then i kind of realized that it's really really bright in the white cubed cages so i moved him back to the black cub and he started eating it again and i'm like all right it could be because he's an albino and his eyes were hurting and he was messing up and didn't really like how bright it was you know like he's eating again he's now back in a black rack in a room always own so he's the only animal in quarantine it isn't he's being corny it's it's shit like that where it's like i can tell you that you you should be eating and maybe you want to try this maybe you want to try that so in the future if i get called by somebody who's like i bought this albino from you and he's not eating i'm be like hi is he in a white rack if he is try to i don't know make it darker so it's it's stuff like that where other people like those guys if he was just keep throwing mike at him until he dies well not only that they don't have the knowledge to change it because they don't know what yeah what's changed you know what i mean whereas if you do if you were to if you say you you've read that snake and then you send it out to somebody if somebody calls you up and then they walk you through what's your setup what's your this what's your that you know and you're able to walk them through step by step and say okay well maybe you should try this maybe you should try that that's that's the kind of thing that we preach all the time about on the show is that that's what you know important yeah i i mean again there's so many great maralia breeders out there it's it's just silly to not find one that you like and buy from them what they have i mean it's just silly what i don't understand if you're serious about it why are you even at those tables buying things i mean what are you even doing there why even run that risk of not having something that could be backed by a breeder worth a damn i mean if you bought a pair those baby diamonds you bring them home they die he's gonna send you another pair of baby diamonds they die he's gonna send you another pair of baby diamonds then they die he's got a diamond then what you're gonna get offered a tub full of pac-man frogs um you're gonna get offered possible bearded dragon this that that anything you want or or he's gonna tell you do you know fuck off get out of here you had do so many tries so it's right one of those things it it and it just puzzles one by nine understand a lot of people are just looking for pets and a lot of them are looking for the cheat deal and if you're at the white plane show a lot of people are looking to buy stuff so that they can sell on craigslist the next day so so we're the god i've seen that anyway um but if if you are serious you know if you are serious about maralia or even any type of snake it can you come past the point of you know it's time to stop fucking around it's time to get serious about it and that would be going to the breeders that would be coughing up the big boy money and that would be you know doing what you got to do yeah you know one of the things that um one of the i was in a ranny mood today i don't know why yeah i was in my uh it get all off you you little kids it moods but uh people don't know is eric rise around yelled at you know the fill it up you used to get jobs ericos but one of the things that as i what we were talking about i put up a post today about um the forum right and i know this this has been beat to death but one of the things that um that beaten that post again all right well there's a couple reasons one i've been over there and i've been researching um topics for the show i've been researching lineage of animals that uh that somebody was talking to me about and you know it kind of i kind of nerd out about that kind of stuff i don't want to take in as much information as i can so anyway uh over there i'm looking at at different things you know because i send you pictures all day i'm like did you ever see this you ever see that said blah blah blah well it's funny you sent me in front of this uh diamond pipe and do you remember this i'm like dear lord it didn't resurface and you're like no i'm not like yes i know i just found the picture i'm like oh yes i remember it what happened to that you're like i have no idea i'm like well thank you for showing that again so yeah i think i think one of the things that is missed on facebook and it's not i'm done with a whole this is better than that type of thing um i think that they're both both good tools for they're completely decent creature and that's where we're at so um but i think one of the things that you get from the forum and and one of the things that i guess i felt again um and again this could just be my uh personal bias of not wanting to let go of you know what i mean like yeah i don't know like when when you found out that the 90s were over and grunge wasn't cool anymore you know what i mean like you're just like i know this has come back and i know it you know you don't want to let go but i was the middle school is what you're talking about or yeah um yeah but anyway one of the things you go over there and you start to learn who's who of carpet pythons and and you start to get a you'll for the amount of work then put into this species uh complex if you will of snakes and it's sad to me that the people that are on facebook that are just coming into it don't get an appreciation of how much that snake is really worth you know you look at a uh a coastal carpet python um and the amount of number one how did it get from australia to to the united states that's number one number two the fact that you know somebody has selectively bred like i go in and i look at my michael penel coastals and how beautiful they are and then i look at some of the animals when they first came in and i'm like how ugly soon they were yeah i mean yeah and like you gave in a whole new and you want me to sell this for two hundred dollars or i have a hard time selling this for two hundred dollars you got to be kidding me you know what i mean so it's almost like it's almost like uh the people you know okay i maybe i can use this example so like i've worked at two different stores at my job right so my one job that people have seen me move from the from the ground up to the top you know what i mean well they have a different have a different view of me i've put in my time they respect me a different way they listen to me in a different way because i've done all the things that they've done etc etc whereas that the store that i'm at only knows me it's the boss so it's a whole different it's a whole different feel uh that they look at me with so like you know you could have joe schmoe go on and he posts every day on facebook and uh people people just think that this is now the carpet place on guru which is not true you know what i mean which and the vicious circle that happens is the person that has the time to post all day on facebook um probably doesn't know shit about snakes because they're not in their snake room you know what i'm saying right whereas the person that really does know and have the knowledge about their animals and how to breed their animals and take care of their animals and what makes these things thick are probably doesn't have the time yeah to post up a pic or answer some of these question on facebook so like that is the funny thing is when they put up a post and they tag people in it and i read the people that they've tagged and i do not know any of them and i'm like why are you asking these guys like who are these people like that's a jungle carpet why aren't you asking like these guys so it's it's weird yeah so so i think i think that's kind of my um my frustration i guess when it comes to the forum thing because there and you know what the other thing that kind of like that that makes me made me think it's like you know i go there and nobody's posting anything there nobody posts anything you know there's like somebody knew that got into carpet pythons and post up a question and nobody answers it and his response is like a month later crickets you know and then another one that's again so like this guy is trying to get information and he's going to the you know maybe google's maralia or maybe google's carpet pythons this comes up he goes over there he starts looking around he starts you know he has a question he or she has a question they ask the question and get no response so what are you supposed to think at that point of of carpet pythons and yeah i guess everybody in the reptile world is on facebook but here's my other problem is that i got to tell you man i'm freaking just done with and i know we're guilty of this i i i know hypocrites but you're right the whole freaking group thing it's like enough enough dude if i could delete if i get out of one more god if i could delete all the goddamn groups except maralia pick of the week i could but i don't know how to delete them or i delete them tomorrow i heard through a certain purging group because somebody added me to uh corralis another corral group somebody added me to a skink group and i blamed zach bias for that bullshit but i can understand a skink i can understand because you know we've had we've had zach on the show talking about skinks whatever maybe they weren't put as i can fit me i mean you're the boa guy i can understand your owl oh oh oh you know i understand all that but that one you're obsessed but here's the thing at kegus turtles what dude when have i ever talked about a turtle oh well like get away from me it's like okay it's it's one of those things where it's like i understand i know anything if i if somebody invites me to like their reptile breeding page i'll give it a like and then i'll also send them over a link to rogues facebook page and it's kind of like all right if i like to use you like me we're all good fine perfect and you know what even if they don't like me in return which i do have a list of people who haven't done that um i don't care there you go but i have one pair of amazon tree bovers and i hate them a lot and that does not mean i need to be in every single corralis breeding group ever created so it's like guys pump the brakes here you know my main focus is well yeah and then you know what i like the y-axis and i dig whitelits but that doesn't mean i need to be in every single y-axis group it's like you got to get a you knock it back a little bit so i you know like um i guess the other thing is that in order to i guess with doing this podcast is like i have a certain i i don't know if this is like i feel that i have an obligation to sort of have the my hand on the pulse so to speak to kind of know what's going on what people are talking about and all and all these kind of things and that's great you know you're looking at facebook you see these things they pop up and you have to go to all these different spots in order to and there's apps and i i'm forever downloading i have like 55 goddamn apps to use facebook in my phone right in order to make this more streamlined and easier to find out what's going on but it just seems to be more difficult and more difficult you know it seems like i i i don't i don't know how to to say it other than like also i i i miss i miss the learning part of it like i'm still learning i'm always learning like i always want to learn i always want to push like what i know and and push it further and talk to people with different viewpoints of how things how things are or what their approach is and i want to do it without something like getting their freaking butt hurt about me disagreeing with what they're saying half of the time when i see things on you i have to be really really fired up in order to to any goddamn post on facebook that's like drama because it's like enough to get to a point where you're like no no i don't want to get involved no i don't want to get and then you got these people that you're like who is this person and who do you do you even have a carpet python and you're going to sit here and tell somebody like Jason bailin or nick mutton like they're wrong like i guess they can be wrong i'm not saying that they can't be wrong i have a big carpet python one so i think i know a little bit more about it than you do so it's stuff like that but i guess what i'm saying is like you have somebody that's on you know that would come on maralia pick of the week and they just pick up a striped coastal and they're gonna argue with Jason bailin about a tiger no that's not a tiger you're foolish you know what i mean it's like are you kidding me you know oh it's just frustrating but anyway hey you are you think this is ladies and gentlemen this is what happens when mpr is not on for a week eric is all this hint of rage i mean it's not rage boiling in his body it's not raging it gets there fast i mean god it's not raging as far as i'm not mad about anything i'm just i'm just trying to get people like i think sometimes yeah we're in this we're in this day and age where everything is goddamn instantaneous and you you can't like you lose the value of of what you like working for something like you know what i mean like it has to be instantaneous and it has to come to my thing right away and and like if i go and i post up a picture um you know it's like okay i want to post it to my facebook page ebe maralia if you like me and you want to like my snakes and you want to see what i have going on then go like my page right but in order to get more likes to my page i have to post on a group but then i post on maralia pick of the week but most of the people that are on pick of the week know me ebe maralia so they probably already like my page so i'm kind of i'm preaching to the choir at that point right then i go and i put it on another carpet python facebook group page but half of the people that are in that group are in pick of the week so like all of a sudden i'm going to post up a picture of you know here you go here's my super caramel zebra jack that i just had and it's like and it's like and it's like and it's when you're thinking of your poor animals you know what i mean it's like i love it now but i mean yeah it's a cool story here it's like jesus christ it's five times in my city i'm like jesus christ yeah all right so like it's almost like okay i post up a picture then and it's like okay well if i'm posting to my facebook page and i'm posting to this group page well why the hell would you go to see my website what's the point then you know i mean like you just like put all this work into the website and then uh you know people here full point careful you might flip over a technical so we have to be careful but oh man you know it's just it's just it's just frustrating because i think ultimately what it comes down to again is is that like i'm going to go and breed an ij or i'm going to breed a coastal and i'm going to have trouble selling it for 200 bucks when it really should be sold for 300 bucks and people are not going to give two shits about it and they're going to want to pay $75 because joe schmoe flipper over there who just probably has some kind of jag jag you know off spring um that it is a coastal maybe it's a coastal jungle maybe it's an ij who knows what the goddamn hell it is and they're going to put it off as a coastal and you're going to go buy that because it's $75 you know well you remember you remember i told you i had that one guy who messaged me on facebook at 1230 at night which by the way if you guys didn't try to negotiate price with me don't do it at 1230 at night because then i just don't give a shit but um this guy was asking me because apparently he lives nearby me and he goes there'll be no shipping in my congratulations for you and he goes well yeah i see you have some really carbide thumbs up i'm like yeah here's the ads go ahead and take your look and he goes well uh how about i give you 80 bucks i'm like price says 150 yeah but man they don't sell for 80 bucks you know i go to the show hamburg and he kept saying i go to the show and then he kept like waiting and he's saying hamburg like it was something fantastic and and kept going and kept pushing and kept asking for 80 dollars and i said no by the way i'll be vending at the next hamburg show you'll see me there with my 150 dollar coastal it's sometimes you have people who are going to try to pressure you into dropping down that price and you know what if that's all they want is an animal for 80 dollars they can do it at somewhere else because i'm not i don't want these people to have one to i produce so that's what it goes now if i'm at a show and somebody who's really wants a carb python and i can kind of sense that they're really into it and they are getting it for all the right reasons and they've explained to me they show me that they've done their research they're all passionate about it and they look at one of my hundred dollar coastal and they say can you do 80 i'll probably do 80 for that guy but it's just the way it goes some people are assholes so yeah it kind of just on both sides of seller and buyer but anyway uh yeah well don't say kona i think that's i don't really much else say about kona i mean let's try to i don't know i kind of went oh wait i told red didn't you know you know what i did say uh up there that's out there for zach is that i did see a lot of blue tongue skinks there was a lot of blue tongue skinks and apparently this guy ray he's from thunder bay herbs um i got to say that he had some pretty cool stuff now you know that zach is forever trying to turn us over to this uh the skink work here you go why don't you get ray on and then on my vacation you can have zach as the guest host of the two you can do that show yeah that maybe well maybe we will wait well hey i'm just going to show i'm good i'm done for the yeah right uh the the cool the cool thing is that and this is so true is that they pretty much are the maralia of the uh it's not it's it's pretty much the uh the maralia of the lizard world i mean because they come from the same places that the maralia you know carpet python even as far as scrub pythons yeah as uh you know um uh you know you look at um i'm thinking of uh helmera if you look at uh you know tannim bars uh blue tongues are the same as tannim bar scrubs and you know it's just i find that very fascinating am i there where i want to keep them yet i don't know maybe probably not i i don't know you know what i mean it's like one of those things like do you venture over into that but i got to tell you man looking at some of these animals that this guy had uh pretty cool pretty pretty if you if you're like you're like i'll probably never keep anything like that and then all of a sudden you look around you like holy crap why don't i have 12 of these all of a sudden i mean there was at one point where you were like white lips are goddamn crazy you have more white lips than i do what the hell is that well one of the things that i can say is that this is another thing that this is a positive front a positive fire up okay okay uh i was talking earlier about the fact that i have this i think it's a it's like a i think it's probably a disease or a mental problem or something like that but i have this thing where i'll be focused on something and when i get into it i go balls to the walls man i'm going a hundred percent hundred percent given to my all i'm into it that's it you know what i mean and then all of a sudden you do something for x amount of time you know say it's month or whatever and you need something to sort of step outside that box you know you need something that sort of takes you back outside that box so for probably over the summer i've been into this thing where i felt i still do feel this way in order for me to experience python breeding and to learn and to continue to keep my learning progression progressing i sort of have to feel that i have to work with different species which is never a bad thing so i've been i've kind of been on this kick where you know i'm looking for other species to get into you know uh i want to well you know like you're talking about like white lips and mac lots and angolans and and and all this stuff but you know what i learned what i did learn is is that you know what freaking carpapatons are the best man they're freaking bad there's nothing better i mean you know i sit here and i'm like i'm trying to eat it doesn't god damn eat this one is like it's like it's like it's just so frustrating because it's i'm so used to car i have carpapatons nailed down to a science and it's almost like you know being a waste from something makes the heart grow fonder you get the passion that was a part of python i hate it yeah where it was a small dim you know little flame blowing in the wind where the wind's like kind of blowing it out you know i mean we're going carpapatons full on all the time i mean we got the podcast we got the freaking web sites we got carpets we got our own collections i mean it's carved upon 24/7 you need a break right and then you realize like fuck man i know why i'm into these snakes because they're freaking cool they're the best ever they shed the best they eat the best the babies eat right away there's that you know what i mean there's no issues they come in any god damn color you could probably want um there's tons of potential with all these different subspecies and everything else i mean where is that message going out to people that are wanting to get into it so like when i hear people talk about the market sucks i can't sell this i can't sell that what are you doing to sell your shit man market yourself i was talking to somebody earlier right and they were talking about how that you know well i don't know if i should read this or i should read that and blah blah and all this stuff i'm like dude you got to put yourself out there you got to promote the project you got to promote the animals kondra people are geniuses when it comes to one thing as far as marketing they name their animal they name them people are all of a sudden you could you could have a pair of kondros that have no name right yep who knows what it is there's a prettiest snakes in the world you put them together who gives a shit all of a sudden i call this one sugar ray and i call that one aqua blue man and then all of a sudden people are lining up ready to give you five thousand dollars to say i want a baby from that yeah well i don't know if it's going to turn blue i don't care i don't know the sex of it i don't care i don't care i want a baby these are two blue parents no chance it might turn blue but you're saying there's a chance well yeah all right well here's five thousand dollars let's say good and then it's just green and then they still sell the babies with three thousand dollars because it has blue grandparents it's a you know damn of the kondra people is amazing but it's um well what i'm saying is you're exactly correct it gives you a lineage it gives you a name it gives you an animal and it's oh my god this is the most gorgeous animal ever thank you he's not for sale but his babies are and now i want it so that's exactly you know you almost kind of humanize it a little bit you got to give people something to think about and i've had people who have looked at my animals and i know and i have people who know my animals by name and actually i just had somebody contact me who bought a pair of babies that i sold to some guy out in arizona in 2010 and the only thing he could remember was the parents names and got them from all in mac and fire and that was it it's all like frickin needed so there you go and they would they would give them all the lineage information and you know what those two babies looked like they're frickin parents so right it stuff like that so you know names are kind of childish but helps who have a frickin purpose sometimes but you're exactly correct you promote it i mean you know you're putting that if you if you have an exciting project don't keep it to yourself and that's the other thing what happened you know well imagine if i had a frickin rough scale babies around the time of carpet fest i mean people would have been leaving with goddamn rough scale babies i mean the way ronulus was getting passed around and all the rough scale babies that were bought after the fact i mean if you have it show it off bring bring an animal through a show and say hey no babies now but come back in a few months and then bring the animal again with its offspring you'd be surprised how much that helps it's right also collect pictures if you sell babies that are really really attractive keep the pictures and popes them up on a i sold this board or like i got on my facebook like a a sold babies album because nobody's really going to see all the really good look good looking babies because you sold them because a lot of times you can sell them and people don't post pictures they do other things there's a lot of people who are not wired in as we are so you want to make sure you hit that so good and and i think again if i'm going to say another thing that that the condro community does pretty well as a group and i guess because condros are very photogenic um is that they stay on a stick they sit on a stick and you can like zoom in on their heads take the picture and then put their stick back but they got beautiful colors yeah oh that they got that that part yeah they got beautiful colors um you can get in with macro shots and it's like they are easier to photograph than carpets yes that's true but they're beautiful snakes and you're able i mean even even a somewhat shitty picture of a condro is still a nice picture you know what i mean because you're taking a picture of a of a snake but it seems to me and i could be wrong but it seems to me for the most part that most real i don't want to say real but most serious and condro breeders or keepers are also pretty good with the camera okay yeah so here's the other thing like you you're figuring out why you can't sell your snake take a good goddamn picture of the animal and you know he's a self-worth in his craft it is probably the piece of shit right over here yeah what i can speak i can speak from experience you know what i mean because i couldn't take pictures for shit man i mean for christ's sake when i was taking the first picture um i'm taking of the first breeding season i can't figure out why the it's for so cloudy and casper's messaging he's saying dude why why is your picture so cloudy uh i forgot to take the plastic off the goddamn phone you know what i mean like oh we had the first print out oh we the first print out of the calendar and you took the picture and you said it to me and then you kept me saying i forgot to take the plastic off but vote here's another picture i'm like oh yeah that is what i clicker oh yeah yeah and it came at the mill uh yeah so i mean but what i did learn by that is that you could have the nicest snakes in the world but if you can't take a picture then how are you going to show other people that what kind of snakes you got it's just people are going to be like i think he has cool snakes i mean i don't like it's like it's sort of cool but i mean the best way to sell a snake is to show it all and unless you get everybody who's interested in your snakes to go to that one or two shows where you're going to bring that snake it's never going to sell so now i need to give you an accurate representation of that animal and the best way to do that is don't spend the five hundred dollars on another snake get a camera get a light can get a back by it to teach you how to do it and then take your pictures yeah all the causes of pizza and beer but no exactly like it's like at one point i remember Nick used to tell me that all times like Duke you know i know you have nice snakes because a lot of them i've seen in person but your your photography feels stuck you need to do better and i'm like i'm like all right well i'm glad that you were honest with me and somebody's really telling me how it is and i'm just saying yeah to hit the like you know like oh yeah like hot snake yeah bullshit you're sitting there at home going looking at your phone going man that's it's fucking ugliest thing i've ever seen in my life you know what i mean yeah you know the lighting's all wrong this is all wrong or whatever the case may be but like people they can't sell a snake but they're not putting any of the work of marketing yourself or marketing the project into it and don't just breed snakes to breed them like if you're putting if you're doing a project this is one of the things that i used to like about what Luke Snell did and i think this is why he used to sell snakes like crazy because he would take an animal he would put a pairing together he maybe did it once maybe twice and that was it so if you didn't get animals that year you know and your shit out of luck because he's not doing that again you had to add yourself to a list and then if the list got long enough Luke would be like all right and he brings them again but if the list never got really long he didn't give two shits and he never bred them again so i know what i'm doing you know what i'm doing that with and people will say i'm crazy okay my albino citrus tiger project okay i just put a specific two snakes together why would you why would you hold up to me i put two snakes together i put two snakes together i got really nice results okay and they're all mine that i made them for me i'm gonna keep them and i'm gonna breed them and i'm gonna be a year ahead in making albino citrus tiger you know okay albino tiger whatever it's all um yeah i'm going to put them together again hopefully i get a clutch hopefully they'll be as nice as they were i'm sure i don't see why they wouldn't nice striping nice contrast oh i'm going to sell some and then that's it that's it i'm going to put the pairing again so like do you want in on that particular pairing with those particular results that's it you know like yeah zak is a perfect example with his costals right um he's got the costal this lineage that lineage beautiful babies right put them together power him i wouldn't put them together ever again because now he's made those animals more valuable yeah you know um i don't know i just and i know that sounds silly to some people that just like i'm just going to keep breeding them every year every year it kind of takes away something from the selective breeding of it i guess i mean if you're i guess i guess if you're looking at it from the aspect of you know i'm put i'm producing ring pythons and i'm just going to make more ring pythons you know because there's no i mean like here's the thing is that with when it comes to carbide thorns or especially with my when my experience you progress the project or you don't do it i mean there there's no point like i will do i will do a pairing and that'll possibly do that pairing again the following year if the baby sell at a good rate but after that it's done because now the male has moved on to another project that i need him for and the female has moved on to another project that i need her for so i don't need to do that again plus now my holdbacks are getting older so i don't need to repeat that pairing again so right like i said the project moves forward like right now i have echo and i have his father talent talent has now sat for two years no breeding he's just here because right why need him to breed because echo is breeding like crazy and echo is better looking than his father so yes i could use him and i could make eight clutches of red jag but why the hell would i do that because then i'm going to be stuck with 80 red jags that right everybody else is going to have so there's no point in that and it's it's knowing your limit and what to do with it and now i understand like you said if my max breed and all the baby max lot sell i'll do that again because baby max are awesome and people are going to want just plain old max but if if say if there was a project or a way to improve on the max lot if i'm not moving forward with the project what am i doing with it i'm just dumping more babies out there so right yeah i mean i don't know yeah but i mean i guess when you look at max lots by thought yeah i i know but when you look at something like max lots by thought how many people in the us are really breeding something like that so you really don't have to promote that in a way that makes you stand out from other people because not all a lot of people are doing it so if you want to max lots by thought there's probably a people enough people i can count on my hand that are producing them and they're we're going to produce what 12 15 20 you know if that and who knows how the hell the sex ratios are going to drop i mean for all i know those four people who are breeding them they get all four be male heavy this year that's happened before with stuff like that sure so like okay so if you want to max lots by thons you just got to go to and if you don't have it that's a different kind of project to promote um scrub pythons or another one like that i mean you know if you want a captive born and bred scrub python they're hard to come by um and not to mention the fact that if you know somebody has something like that they probably maybe one or two people probably in the world that would produce something like that and you don't really have to do anything other than to say hey guys look this is malook and scrub pythons that i produced i had the clutch this is you know you walk people through you know people are going to be anticipating that you know oh my god it's day 52 are they hatched no they got to go to day 72 oh my god 20 more days uh okay to say 72 did they hatch no you know oh stay 78 did they hatch no they didn't hatch you know you're like constantly looking for that update on that clutch because nobody else has it so i guess my advice would be what as a breeder are you doing to differentiate yourself from the rest of the people that are breeding this possibly the same thing as you you know what i mean there are the things that you have to look about as a look at as a breeder to sort of to sort of like what's going to make me special you know what's going to make me even there's even with the normal things like maclox you can have ugly maclox pythons so there is wiggle room for shit like this i mean so you're right you got to you set yourself aside by being picky by moving forward by doing this doing that by knowing what you're doing and getting the better stuff you know i can be trying to breed this shit with all wild caught this and you could be the guy who spent the money on the captive born and bred babies when they appear you'll probably have more success and have healthier animals than i will if we ever do both produce at the same time so right it's a lot of shit yeah so uh you know i don't know i hear um you know i heard i it was actually pretty good i heard the i think his name i know he goes by uh m a balls or something like that and basically he has this little vlog that he does where he's not talking about different things in different rants and one of the things that he was talking about was marketing and you know uh yeah one of the things that stood out to me that he was saying is like you know when you put on your your ad you know the price or best offer like you're already opening up you're opening up like if you put on there fifteen hundred dollars or best offer then get pissed off when somebody says yeah i give you a thousand bucks for it well what if they only have a thousand bucks that's the best offer they could give now you're going to get pissed off did they ask for a thousand you know what i mean it's just like i don't know it doesn't make sense like by filling up or best offers it's almost like you're opening it up to uh uh i will i don't expect to get 13 for it it's almost like you're saying that like you're automatic admitting these aren't worth what i'm putting i'm just hoping to get it exactly i'm hoping somebody it comes around and gives me 13 my price is 13 now if i want to negotiate the hand closed doors i'm freaking negotiate behind closed doors because i can always say no dude that no thanks done and then they go it it putting or best offer is always like shooting yourself in the foot and i and i hate that i i will not do that on anything none of my ads none of my i've seen them printed on freaking labels on table displays so and it's just one of those things um i thought someone who had a uh a slideshow on a little screen and it says let's make a deal with the flashing again this isn't a used car lot i mean we can if you want to work on price you can work on price that's totally fine it's your prerogative and i've worked on price but yeah but yeah but what about what about just i mean in that in that vlog he brought up a good point what about just putting it as okay so you know if you're a new customer you get five percent off if you're returning customer and you've done a lot of business with me maybe i'm gonna give you fifteen percent off of this price yeah you know what i mean yeah so like yeah so like you're you're you're marketing in a way that you're saying this animal is not worth less however because i want to do your work you're not getting you're not getting this count for me if you're a first-time customer that is that is if that happens unless you are a very different of mine there is no first-time customer and i hate that people email me and they're like what can you do for me i'm like well who the fuck are you so it's one of those things where you got it and i and i will blatantly tell some people if you're a returning customer that's when you start getting deals now i will offer deals for people who will buy multiples like if you want to buy a trio yeah i'm going to cut the price down a little bit for you correct but through snake but right if you're trying to get me the bus down cut out half of what i have a snake listed for and you're a first-time buyer it's not going to work well for you and i'm going to keep the snake so and that's something i learned kind of a hard way when i first started is that i i'm i'm i'm on the seller i have all the power i have the thing you want if you don't want to do it my way you walk away and i still have the snake there's no reason for you to bend over backwards trying to get pennies from you it's right this is where it is if you want it this is what it's at it you don't want to pay that you don't get the snake right or that that's fine that's totally my decision and you know what that's actually helped me out because remember i had i had such a crappy year this year with the move i am so glad i have all the babies i have for last year right yeah because you're not going to you're not going to settle for for anything less than what it is you know and you're like that's that's kind of the same way i am with my you know my stuff it's like i i don't do a whole lot of uh you know pushing my animals because quite honestly i'm holding them back for me to see how they progress uh and i'm going to hold back the best and then i'm going to sell the rest you know i mean the issue and i and i do the same video i kind of i'm not really pushy about telling them because the problem is i do so many shows that i've gotten to my point but sometimes where i sell so many of them that i'm like that asshole who has a table who has like two levels from a whole peer set on it and that's it and i hate that i hate not having a full table so i would be much rather at my prices set my prices sell slow and then produce the babies this year uh this year coming and you know like i have i have a 2013 still kicking around here a boy which if he's still here in breeding season i put him to work but it's one of those things like i still got him but he got put him up here for a fair price and he just hasn't moved so eventually he'll go i'm not too concerned but i'm glad i haven't to fill up a slot right now so right yeah one of those things but you can totally do this like you can totally be successful with this you just have to do it properly you know and don't shoot yourself in a foot don't sell your animal short if your animals are from a certain bloodline and you can prove it and you have all the lineage say it it you you bought into this bloodline for a reason you know talk up your animal take good pictures have a nice logo look presentable don't smell it shows um yeah that's all uh one-on-one stuff but you know don't offer to tell people's animals if you don't know what the hell they are because the last thing anybody wants to hear is i don't know i'm just selling it for a friend so yeah all out of the bullshit god damn it yeah i heard i listened to um uh there was a you know you as i said in the intro to the show um we talked about podcast and how you know you're always looking i'm well i'm always looking to listen to something and listen to somebody and listen especially when it's something that i really want to listen to and there's quite a number of reptile podcast out there and um the one you know i i'm pretty much subscribed to all of them except for two um but uh i i was very excited to find out that our good friend buddy bishemi was on uh gecko nation radio which you know they're i guess they're step out of the side of the box every once in a while yes because life found like tech buddy wasn't in the geckos but i don't know now but they did they told condros um they told it's actually a really good episode if you want to listen to it um they asked them some different questions than we asked when buddy was on so it's like i learned some new stuff about bodies stuff i didn't know um but anyway he talked about um one of the questions apparently the uh the the one host asked us and i butchered it somehow i don't know i don't remember the show but i mean when buddy was on that was a long time ago but anyway um they were asking about having animals at pecco uh selling condros at pecco which made me think about lord what about selling carpet pythons of pecco um i have some thoughts on that but i'm curious to see what your thoughts on is uh would you look at carpet pythons being at a at a big chain store as a good thing or as a bad thing i've seen them at peccos before and i have some friends who actually work at pecco but um and i know that they are on their list of animals that they can get uh the only problem is that they get them and a lot of the people who buy at peccos don't want the little nippy baby python so it's much easier for them just to get a baby morph ball python which those have appeared a lot on uh the uh on their list and they've appeared a lot more of peccos and various other things but i have seen a jungle carpet at a pecco in willa grove once um the friend who works there sent me a picture of the baby carpet when it arrives so um and i do believe it's sold it's don't know who the hell bought it but it's one of those things where if i saw it at a store and i've seen them at mom and pop pet stores all the time it would really kind of phase me because it's the carpet pythons in my opinion and they'll always be in my opinion that they are not a beginner python um they're they're not really where you start or even a beginner stick you start somewhere else build your confidence and then you kind of move into carpet python i know there's some people who kind of jump into it and get them as their first python and that's not really what i would recommend um my cousin shane just started getting into snakes and uh actually had him buy he bought a ball python at uh hamburg for uh as a first snake and it was one of those like it was one of those keep that alive and uh then i'll start bringing you into the bigger stuff so well here's here's here's here's the thing where again where this experience of key i kept ball pythons before but never with the knowledge of what i have now so to me i look at it as a whole different uh a new thing um a new way of looking at it with the knowledge that i've learned over the years is that i kind of look at it as carpets or a little more bulletproof i guess you would say um they're a little more uh there and yes they may be a little bit nippier but i gotta tell you i got i got bit i got bit more by my ball pythons right which i have because it's all you as a food source i mean listen you i have i think seven ball pythons maybe maybe that's too much maybe six i don't know something like that but i've been bit more by them than i've been bit by my carpet pythons whether it's baby or or yearlings or yeah my goal is forget it i don't even get it by my adults they're pretty good ones into it but my question is is i mean my point would be that i found in my experience that you know you know condros yeah they may be a little more sensitive i guess in my experience with condros they're probably the easiest snakes that i have they come hard this is the paper with the water down it's pretty amazing yeah i don't i don't put any heat on them they say that they're in this small cage it's pretty simple more one more honest got it's more a competent booster but yes you're completely correct this is easier and this is easier and this is easier but ball pythons the one that he picked out anyway is so dimwitted and just please don't hurt me and how whenever i want and i'm going to hide under my water dish and i don't mind if you pick me up it's totally cool that he's gaining more and more confidence with this animal and that's totally fine and it's one of those i i go through so like king snakes which are filthy corn snakes which are filthy and ball pythons which are dim and they're great to get the confidence booster to get you to what you really want which might be like i mean he's been looking at my cousin saw his all saw my allof pythons for the first time and he's been in love with them ever since he saw them so now you're not going to start on allof pythons or if you go to allof pythons so do the ball pythons we'll work through it and then i can get you some olives later so that's the whole point of that stuff you might be right i get that but yeah i think the thing i was thinking and this is just a thought i didn't think this out a hundred percent so if this is crazy it's just an idea um but what about the idea of pet carpet pythons like pet cloudy pythons and what i mean by that is is that you either have animals that are crosses of some sort or you have animals that maybe are not they don't make the grade so to speak rather than what i say is uh would be black cat python food um yes or king snake or cobra food um you know maybe if breeders sold to a petco that could just say that this is a generic carpet python like i heard i can't remember who it was but he was on a podcast and they were talking about dumbing down ball pythons to it's either a normal or it's a fancy you know what i mean that's like do that so many more snakes that's echo it's normal and then it's fancy and in the fancy tank they have like a snow uh freaking uh blizzard and O.D.T. and a reverse and they're all in there and it's like what the hell so and they're 20 bucks more expensive than the normal corn snake correct so they do that do you permit do you get people do you get people into carpet pythons by making a move like that or is it ultimately a bad move i have pros and cons on both sides of it like i don't know if if if if with the nippiness you know because baby carpets are nippy or you know i guess but i i think pythons in general at least the ones that we deal with baby pythons in general or nippy that's that's how it goes baby pythons bite everything so and i don't want to get bit if you don't want to get bit get around probably might not want to work with pythons yeah just a simple but um i would say that whenever i have sold a pet carpet python it is not when they're babies it is when they are a year old is when they're bigger they they like being they like you can hold them without them losing their fucking minds um they've got their color that's when people buy them as pets in my opinion the only one that i've never that i've ever not sold before it had turned a year old it was uh i had a jag it was my first breeding of jag and it actually had a um overbite because her lower jaw didn't really go all the way so she's a little bit of an overbite and she looked rather funky so and of course she was the first one to frickin eat she was the first one to get big she shed perfectly and i couldn't bring it myself to kill this thing so i i couldn't brought her to a hamburger show i had her listed a little bit lower than my jags that i had that were you know clean and perfect a grade or whatever you want to call it and some dude who some kid who had a carpet python it died he came up he's holding this thing and he wants to buy it i sold it to him at like a hundred bucks off the price because he took it and ran he was so frickin happy and that's where i get to love that stuff because it's like the the older ones definitely work as pets but every once in a while like just because it's a little wonky or it's a de-grade you could possibly get that thing off as a pet i most of my friends who are not real snake people who are interested in maybe getting a pet snake have my you know weird ones like i had one jag that was born and his eye is one eye was smaller and was completely black and he was blind and somebody bought him and he's eating he's fine he purchased they have this whole cool setup for him uh my other friends had a bunch of my cali kings that they have his pet in the naturalist that kind of set up which trees i've never seen it kept you've never seen a cow king perch but it's hilarious um and they got that so definitely you can do the whole pet thing it's just again once they hit a year old it's usually when that stuff happens so you know little babies tend to nip and nobody wants to try to buy a baby that's the first time they hold it it bites them so right yeah i guess i don't know i was just thinking of a way that you know because if you think about it this way i don't know i think about like i remember when i was just getting into maralia python forum and i remember going over there and at the time i had i don't know what it is bought at a pet shop carpet python it was sold to me as a jungle carpet python and it was not a jungle carpet python it just wasn't you know it just was some kind of cross um something like that and you know but it's got me into where on that you know what i mean that's the thing that was the the gateway drug so to speak you know what i mean that was the snake that i know it passed away last year but i would still have it in my collection because i think i bought that snake in 2000 you know what i mean so in 2000 that snake i owned and it stayed with me for 14 years um never bred it never had any intentions of breeding it just was a pet carpet python that i had um it taught me about how to keep carpet python to you know it was pretty neat it was cool so are we missing the mark so to speak are we missing an audience um when it comes to not selling these quote unquote pet carpet pythons like you never go to a show you haven't seen it on our table or any other table that i can think of when it comes to maralia it's like okay well this is a cross right but this is pet carpet python 75 what why do you pet carpet python i never like that's the reason i never sell my normals my normal coastal like even my ugly ones like i mean like this this guy looks you know mostly kind of blacky brown i need to eat not ideal he's a normal male i'll sell him for a hundred bucks because i i think he'd make a great pet or somebody's first jump into carpet python and what people don't realize is those ugly carpet pythons when they hit a year old they shed they start getting nice and tan they look kind of cool they get brighter and they are appealing as pets they really are and i'm setting them up and of course i'll explain to people how i have you know the tank in my living room that i'm going to set up for this that and the other thing so you know it's almost like you're not really missing the mark but you kind of are because it's like i bet you if what we would consider an ugly jungle could sell as a pet jungle easily through somebody who's just getting into it absolutely because i got to tell you the jungle thing that i bought i thought was the prettiest jungle there was you know i mean when i'm comparing it to what i'm comparing it to a bermi's python yeah that looks pretty friggin sweet you know um and then all of a sudden i go to maria python forum and i'm like oh wait a minute this is i am close to yeah i mean ac reptiles wait a minute it's what the hell is that yeah exactly there was um my my second snake ever second carpet python ever i got a normal coastal male and then i got an m pen female coastal and that was my second ever and lost my freaking mind with this animal like i absolutely thought it was the prettiest coastal ever she was yellowy kind of you know that nice kind of creamy what you get with an m pen and i was losing my freaking mind like i i'm pretty sure i mentioned her to every single carpet person i ever saw i was that annoying guy who always talks about this and you want you want to smack him across the table and tell him it you know shut the fuck up but and it was that was the that's the gateway i got her just to believe where it led me else like produced something oh yeah it led me that led me straight to a jag and then that that opened the flood base and that was you know i went from having three carpet pythons in my dorm room to fifteen when i graduated so and now you're a host on a podcast health carpet python you know what i mean so it's and and you have a big collection and you have quality animals and you know you've been in a chose where i mean you're just yeah exactly one of the rarest pythons in the world sits in your reptile here right now yeah you get rid of that one so so i guess what i'm saying is that you know this is another thing again i'm turning back to the facebook thing again but you know one of the things that i often find that people say facebook is good for is is promoting yourself and it is but you're promoting to the people that already know about you you need to promote the people that don't know about you so it's like you go to that now and they got another 15 groups that i got a freaking join in order to find that right group you go and you join a basic reptile group and then you see a blue tongue's ink with a freaking hat on and you see a bearded dragon with a goddamn it's in a baby carriage and you know you're like oh my god i can't deal with this i'm not going to put my thumb picture here the hat on the carpet python is that it no i'm not saying that you're saying it's like on some hats would it be more appealing someone makes me a freaking hat a top hat and a little uh a little uh fancy oh a little monical oh josh oh i'm putting the on putting the top hat on the roughy oh feel over here romeo yeah so my thing my thing is is that if you want to go and promote carpet python if you okay so i guess my thing has always been if you want to sell more carpet python's you have to spread you got to get more people that are into it you got a wider than that so to speak you got to get more people excited about wanting to get a carpet python and by doing that you have to put them in front of people that don't know anything about them you have to go to somebody that says well i've always thought about you know getting a jungle carpet but i heard that they're that they bite all the time and i heard that they have to have high humidity and i heard that you know all these things that are not true i heard they only eat mice i heard you know and it's like no i heard that they get uh somebody was asking the other day over on the the bush league is like they wanted to get into coastal but they've always heard that they're 12 feet long i said well i don't have any i don't have any coastal that are even over seven feet long i mean never had i've never had a coastal over 90 90 well i mean yeah that that one was big leave her leave her out of it she was she was a biggie you know but you know and i'm sure maybe maybe when i get the bridge bridge bains to be adults um you know maybe uh there'll be a bigger you know bigger coastal carpet python you know that's that's very possible because they're southern but um the average coastal carpet python is probably going to max out at five six feet maybe you know what i mean they that would be my guess especially in today's world i don't think many people are keeping them in the uh say you know 10 foot range i mean i'm sure that there are examples that are that big you know i'm sure that there are people that maybe feed them up like uh you know crazy in order to get uh you know animals that size but your average coastal carpet is not going to be that big so that's one thing that people are turned away turned off from from carpet python all right about be sorry you know when you're used to having a ball python that maybe is it you know is what five feet long as an adult and could be in a 41 court tub um you know you want something that you don't want this monster snake you know what i mean so um that's a that's a myth so you want to get out in front of people and tell them tell them that and how do you get i'm sorry man i can't deal with some of these facebook people it's just like are you kidding me like are you serious right now is this serious you know the other the other thing that kind of kills me is that the magazines and the books that were written years ago like where you had the academy of natural science and they were like this diamond python you can get to like 12 feet long and it was like a coastal or something stooped in there it's like sometimes the misinformation is not where it should be it's all over the fridge in place so that happens too and that might shy away somebody because you expect that shit to be true so yeah but you're right you gotta got to dispel the rumors and talk to people and it's hard to do it it's hard to get more people into it when you're preaching to the choir so to speak when you're talking to people that already know this stuff when you're you know so i guess again wrapping it back to the daytona thing is it worth going to daytona i don't know i mean part of that it would be and as far as yeah out there representing the species that you work in with and you're one of the people that you know are you know a spokesman for the for the species that you work yeah now you're talking about worth it is it worth it to go for sales maybe maybe not is it worth it to go to promote the species absolutely that's why i was so shocked that there was no conjure breeder or anything at that the tilly show i went to in uh with march correct like at least uh even even if the even the money isn't flowing and even even if sales aren't happening you're still out there making connections and you're still out there getting stuff going like i there's been hamburger shows where i come home with not a single sale that happens but right i'm still out there talking but i can tell you that there have been more hamburger shows where i go and i don't make a sale but then a few weeks later the guy who i talk to at the show contacts me and ends up buying two carber by time right and it's almost like the why'd i even go you go in there to go try to make some fails you also went there to make connections and promote the species so sometimes one works out more than the other you know and in just the way it goes that's why i'm going to send you to all the shows and you just sit there and you should mope the hell hurt me damn it promote the species um yeah you know yeah i mean that's why i'm committed to doing something like pinley park um maybe i don't know i mean they say that they tone is moving somewhere else i don't know i don't know they they weren't i don't know if they were strict with their laws this year but you know i would like to go somewhere else other than those two shows even if it was you know doing a show once a quarter um i know going to hamburger you know going to hamburger is one thing um but it's kind of like you know from experience that if you don't have your table from show to show to show you lose the table and you lose the table right so you're if you want to do something like hamburger you pretty much have to be committed all year long you know and that's not a commitment that i would want to make where i want to have more flexibility where i could go say okay well i know i could go to um you know tinley and i know i could go to arch tinley um you know where would be another show to where i could go maybe in a different area to where i could promote you know carpet python uh arlington would be one that would kind of pop in my head um and that is so hard um it would be the only one i can think of there would be kind of um arlington and then of course they i'm trying to think of shows that i know that either not many morality of people go to or at least not morality people like us because i mean like i could say reticon in maryland because that's twice a year maybe but valen and howard go to reticon so you know they're down there promoting the species enough and doing all that stuff uh white plane you have jay you have jason you have my curtain you have howard so you got like four or five guys up there um hamburg you got me you got eric cola you got jason valen you got howard retting we have you ever once in a while so it's one of those things of like you kind of kind of like i wouldn't even recommend even go into the ones over near seattle because you know nix there and try to find me a guy who's going to promote the species better than him so exactly so there's right but there are other ones out there i mean you know tingly part and the problem is and i hate you for bringing you to tingly because now every show i go to i'm like it's not tingly you know it's ruined this isn't as good as tingly you know if this were tingly i'd be drunk by now so it is one of those things we're imagining tingly being your first reptile show that you ever had oh my god now you can understand the game oh god yeah i thought i wouldn't know that's why you're such a knob yeah okay let's tell you what the last show where you sent me with a bunch of yourself it looks like was there oh my he's not here you sent me with a few things that hypocrite oh my god oh oh we're going to speak down at the smaller shows but we're not going to come to the fitness world yeah so that's jab and that kind of funny yeah i love it uh man there's we have about i don't know we have about four or five more topics that we didn't even hit on so damage i don't know maybe then maybe that we'll do a third one yeah i'll say we said we're maybe going to do a third one this week and we'll see about that because we have gave be on tomorrow and correct god help blog talk if it doesn't work this time i mean just god help them so uh because i will um so we got that tomorrow then maybe we can try to do one later on in the week uh towards the end of the week uh white planes is sunday or saturday yeah white i have to i have to go i have to i have to go drop off a snake um oh really you're going yeah i gotta i gotta go drop off a super caramel jeg so they're very few things they'll get only to deliver a snake that's one of them so well that's cool so although i need food so i should probably go and feed these monsters so yeah that was one of the things that uh yeah we'll definitely have to talk about is our breeding season i mean i don't want to i don't want to we'll leave that for the the other show but i mean we're really like a couple months away tomorrow is September it's September about a couple months away we are a month away from cool stuff yeah it's like shit kids when they have the time go yeah i can't believe it it's crazy and we'll be you know it's october time it's tinley time and then you know it's cooled down and ready for the season oh Jesus i know how you i love how you're like yeah man it kind of snuck up on us i don't know what to do and i'm like that's a lie you know what you're going to do this year before years ago all right i'm going to sit down and i would just go who the hell is breeding this year what the hell am i doing that then i usually get surprised like oh shit i am doing that this year that's kind of cool yeah yeah yeah well that's a topic that we have to hit on because i think between the two of us we have some pretty cool things that uh will be coming up you know one of the other things and i i don't want to i guess yeah again this will be something that maybe it's on a show this week but all right you know when i listen to these you know you say what you will about the scaleless ball python thing you know what i mean um and i only bring this up because i love that thing oh my but jesus christ the drama that's involved in this thing it's just why i love it it's just so brisket straight like it's crazy you let me listen to that one podcast where they discussed it and i felt i i felt awkward for the people who were so enraged like it was one of those you know when you're watching a really awkward like scene in the tv show and yourself feel uncomfortable i felt uncomfortable with people because they are so pissed off over this stuff and a lot of it stems from pricing and unsure genetics and there's a lot of upset people about this and yeah it's freaking scary is what it is so and it seems yeah it seems to me like there's just this you know you look on facebook and it's almost like you know a couple of people that i just had the unfriend because i just didn't want to see it anymore because it was almost like if i if i see it just five percent i'm involved in the drop you know what i mean it's like i don't want to say i don't i don't want to be involved in this crap it yeah but at the same time it raises it raises questions yeah about about you know managing projects and managing yeah i think and the one reason that i'm often you know compelled to sort of get follow these type of conversations is because you know i think a poison ivy and i think of you know what what would you do what what would i do if i went and sold these babies that i have and said okay well you know we don't know where it's going to go but let's hope that it's recessive and then um you know you go and you you you sell these babies and then it's not what it is it's not what you said it to be or something happens or you know what i mean like i mean you really have to i guess you have to think of these things when you have these new projects and i obviously it doesn't affect it doesn't affect us as much as say you know uh you know ball python so to speak but because we don't have any more but well think of the the craziness with those crazy carpets that have popped out the season yeah i mean it seems like every two weeks somebody posts up a pick of like a chimera or something that looks like a pied and it's like they're arguing you imagine if you might have somebody spent a shit ton of money on a chimera or a pied or a paradox and then bred them together and nothing came out of it or you couldn't repeat that animal yeah you mentioned like and i we're talking ridiculous money like twenty thousand dollars for stuff like that ball pythons have gone for that much now imagine you spend twenty thousand dollars for an animal you breed it and all you get is normal looking stuff well they're talking with these scaleless things i think the price was fifty thousand dollars so you know about ever i said dear lord um have you ever have they or have they ever produced more scaleless other than the first one well apparently there was two that were produced and they brought the mail to Daytona which i didn't see but i did see i did see a video of it and that thing grew up man you think jag's are jag-tarded this thing looked jacked up man it made me like remember what was it thinly they auctioned off a framed shed which you know looked like a piece of saran wrap but it actually looked like other things but we're not going to talk about it um it's one of those i think i told you what it looked like but anyway um yeah it's one of the things where it again fifty thousand dollars if yeah if you're willing to let a customer drop that money on this animal you've got to be damn sure you know what it is or represent it because if it goes wrong you know that when i was first selling the car moles my biggest suit was selling somebody uh an animal that didn't turn out to be a caramel so i sold probably more caramel as normal for a relatively cheap price right and because i'm telling you somebody bought a normal from me and bred it and got caramel babies they're gonna come back to me they're not gonna be they're not gonna be pissed off they're gonna be like oh my god i have a customer for life now but it's right i i wouldn't know what to do if somebody spent that much money on an animal and then it turned out to not be what i was representing and it's almost like if it's something Nick warned me about he said if they come back to you you're gonna have to either reimburse them or try to make it right and if that's your top dollar animal it's gonna be hard for you to make it right and it would be i'm not trying to insinuate one way or the other one whether it's not the no no i could care less about that that project and i you know honestly to me if there was a scaleless carpet python as much as that i'm into morphs and carpet python that's not like that's not my thing man i'm that that's kind of it's kind of defeating the whole purpose of the snake but if that's your gig man you know go with it so i'm not trying to i don't think you are either oh we're just no we're talking aesthetically if yeah no aesthetically if there was a project right and it's talking hypothetical and of course with all the you know being outsiders and looking in we have no idea how the hell the genetics work because we haven't really taken a look at it we have no idea what's really kind of going on we're just kind of looking at it for face value but by looking at it it kind of brings up points that we've not seen in carpet python but that we could see where something could happen like this so it is it is bringing up a lot of hypothetical questions and a lot of hypothetical warnings of how you would proceed now again for all we know next year there can be scaleless ball python it's freaking everywhere and the morph can figure itself out or genetic mutation whatever you want to call it but it it's sometimes when you take it at face value like we are it can seem staggering when it goes then of course we don't want to say that anybody misrepresented an animal or gene or anything like that it just at face value trying to imagine sending fifty thousand dollars on a snake and then it's not going where it's at it hits really close to home with the chimera jags and stuff like that because yeah as we talked about we did the genetic show it might not even pan out at all so i think i think i'm going to leave people with this so they're going to have to listen in because if they were going to call it up in ten seconds but one of the things that frustrate me um when we're in overtime now so now they can't hear um that's i tried to plan that perfectly it's perfectly like that damn it um sorry sorry to defend but uh that is one of the i love it one of the things that frustrate me when it comes to uh facebook with this whole thing i guess since i'm in kind of like interested in the uh marketing of like a project like that but one of the things that kind of frustrates me is that these people will get on there and they'll talk about people but they don't say the person they just sort of allow they they put it out there and then you presume who they're talking about because they make it like this character that could be you know well it could be this person or it could be this person and it could be this person so if you don't like a person a you're going to insert him into the mix if you don't like person b then you're going to insert her into the mix and if it's c then you put you know what i mean yeah and then now and then the thing that gets me though the thing that frustrates me most of all is that they preach that they don't take no bullshit they call spades bait eat they're saying like is which is total bullshit because if you wanted to say something about somebody then go on the facebook stop being a you know a goddamn sissy behind the keyboard and say what you think you know what i mean it's like this half ass rant it's like oh i'm going to ask that rant this so if you're going to talk bad about somebody or say something that you don't like or what i hear all the time is what we're calling the bad people in the community these people that hold up the community and are the pillars of the community shouldn't be the pillars of the community blah blah blah blah blah but if they're if they're not the supposed to be the pillars of the community then call them out you know what i mean like yeah here just like pretend that it's like okay well it can be x y or z i i don't know it just seems like a uh a sissy way to go about it and here's the thing unless you're unless you kind of protect somebody who because you don't have the full story there's no point to do that because like what we were saying is we didn't want to mention the breeders behind the diamond fight down stuff because we i haven't talked to those guys i don't know if they actually told it and i'm suspicious they didn't so i'm not gonna throw their name into this fix also if i'm talking to you and i don't want to mention the name because i want you to kind of i want to convey something to you but i don't want to be the guy who flat now calls this person out to you my friend i won't mention the name i'll say i heard from this guy that a breeder did this now i know you have the same connections i do and you can probably find out the same shit i can and you'll come back and talk to me later but if i'm going on facebook and i'm about to call someone out publicly what people don't understand is i equate facebook through standing in the middle of a crowded room on top of a table and yelling something so right if you're going to do that you can't sit there and be like guy over here not to do what we're talking about though it's like if you're going to do it do it it's like i don't want to mention the names but kind of like this guy but not it's like well you've already you've already fucking done it so that's why i dude i will avoid drama on facebook like the goddamn plague i mean it is ridiculous like yeah it just seems like and again this i'm gonna tie it all around and then i guess we'll wrap it up but wrap it up and get the hell out of here my whole brand about the whole forum thing is that you there was drama on the forum yes there was people that disagreed on the forum there was debates on the forum but it was it was insulated to just the people in the community now right now you pick of the week there's four thousand some people on there how do i know who everybody is do you know who everyone is i mean we try to go on our police it is as best we can but at the same time it's like okay well you really don't what you're talking about so yeah and the thing is that you have it where the forums was a lot of the major breeders and it made me feel that people just getting started the pick of the week is a lot of people who just want to share pictures of their animals which is totally fine that's kind of what we have pick of the week four so obviously you have different degrees of people you have the casual reptile keeper and you have people who actually have carpets on this pet who have run or two love them to death and don't give two shits about this whole breeding thing they have their hundred dollar carpets on the east most gorgeous thing on the planet to them but you know having those people weigh into some things where they might not understand it or having those people's opinions on a person when they don't really know the whole sense of what's going on here is that still good and that's why we've had several people who try to post up negative ads or negative things about a breeder actually we got i got chewed out by one guy who tried to post up on the pick of the week how he was screwed over by tom cruxield or something or other and i deleted it and then he private message me screaming at me about how we're not helping and protecting the reptile industry and i've lately told him there are other places you can throw up a b o i not here so there there's various things and it's almost again if you're going to go out on a rant go do it and have the balls to step up and do it but don't throw it up don't belong yeah do it on your your own facebook page like facebook i mean you haven't even posted up on a pick of the week yeah i don't know it just seems silly and then you won't even at least i give the guy credit for uh calling out the guy specifically and not saying there's this breeder down in florida who's kind of a big breeder and uh it was it was it was the he's kind of a big deal and he not really a breeder in florida it was in the comments where someone's been stopped but real me went yes then i'm like well then why didn't you just fucking say it so right yeah it's hard for me like i listen to people make these rants about it and to be honest with you i don't really care to research that part of the reptile industry so like people say that he's good people say that he's bad i don't know the guy and i don't know what he did but here's what i do know it'd be very hypocritical for me to accuse somebody of smuggling in reptiles when my half that 90 percent of my collection is australian reptiles i mean somehow god you're like you read bearded dragons oh i have some stories for you sit down probably not a range that i want to uh engage in you know what i mean it's like yeah probably a little bit ridiculous but anywho yeah some time uh i don't know but uh i think we we've we've we've ran it on this uh episode enough uh you know yeah we take what you said we need to take half the topics we're going to the kona got there i think yeah i think we hit on some some good stuff and i don't know i dig these episodes where it's just me and you shooting shit and uh you know again i think there are people like them too it's weird i don't i'm not an expert you know i learn watches uh as you guys learn when uh the guests come on here i try to find the people that are most experienced with uh the species that we're talking about um basically we give our opinions and my opinion is just that it's just my opinion you don't have to believe me you don't have to like it you don't have to uh you know subscribe to it but that doesn't mean at the end of the day that two of us can't you know come to some kind of and ground and you don't have to listen to the show no one is holding a gun to your head if you want to turn us off because you find us annoying go ahead and freaking turn us off anyway but the one thing i can promise you is that we will be here every Tuesday god damn right other one i mean not every show is a home run you know and then just help but uh it's gonna happen when you're doing it for five years you run not every day is a home run not even goes correct we're still bringing in here yeah glad we've been here so so so tomorrow uh tomorrow's episode like i said we have that david joining us and we're going to be talking rough scales and um we're going to be hitting on uh we're going to hit on some natural history and then of course we're going to break down how david keeps them uh we're also going to be talking about how he bred them um we're going to be talking about uh you know neonate care uh whether to get going you know all these things that you need to know Owen uh when you breed my pair of rough scales for me i got uh i got three years to figure it out so yep or probably maybe two and a half she's a year old oh shit yeah uh two and a half maybe three yeah so uh yeah we got we got that should be a great show uh david also keeps chondro so i'm sure we'll throw that chondro in there you know it surprises me that more you didn't make the battle chondro yeah it surprises me too that's build territory that is build territory uh i hope i hope bill does it because bill will do it i won't but bill will name it the battle chondro so i'll do that it'll still be okay uh surprise that more chondro keepers and maybe it will be in the future once they become more established but i'm really surprised that more chondro people don't have them as sort of a an offset species since they are sister species they are but they don't act it i mean they don't they don't perch i mean the the perches that chondro will sit on a roughy won't i mean you got a what july and i have done is you need to get those like thick wood kind of perches where they can put most of their body on it and then they won't perch like a chondro they'll kind of lay across it all sprawled out and they like to lay kind of downish so they don't really perch up like a chondro now you could probably outfit a generic chondro cage to serve a rough scale but and they probably will later but you know i can see why some people haven't really done too much with them yeah well we'll talk all about tomorrow um oh it should be uh should be a great episode um then uh maybe maybe not i know uh there's a i'll give you a little teaser there's somebody that contacted me that's somebody pretty uh pretty pretty high up there in the marelli world um that has some uh some news uh and uh he wanted to come on to the show and uh talk about it so that may be maybe this week um that's why i was saying there was a third show we shall see maybe that'll be next Tuesday and me and oh maybe that'll be next Tuesday and then you and i can use bullshit on friday you know it's one of those things you know it it it'll be a good show this is the first time hearing about it so here go yes it's really yeah yeah i'll tell you as soon as we hang out hi cool hi yeah forget all you guys i get to know so with that uh i will say marelliipitedoneradio.com is our website um if you want to get in touch with us uh you can send it to uh an email to us at info@marelliipitedoneradio.com uh you can check out the show on iTunes or ever whatever your podcast uh venue uh delivery system of choices uh you know whatever you choose iTunes is just the easiest go over there and subscribe to the show and every Tuesday night or Wednesday morning when you wake up it'll be right there in your queue um unless blog talk has a problem uh man it won't be bad man we'll have to make it up to you but we promise that we won't make it up to you so uh yeah um you know we made a little speech earlier about the show a little rant about the forum so i would suggest uh that if you are interested in carpet pythons you need to go check out marelliipiteons.com and that's all i'll say on that uh you can follow us on twitter uh you can like our facebook page which uh continues to grow we try to make sure that we keep that up to date with sharing all the latest and greatest in the world of marelli over there uh so uh give us a like um let's see we have some carpet fest coming up uh the next one up is the southern carpet fest which uh i am happy to say that i will be attending that um bill uh good friend bill is the uh is the host and uh since marlin can text us uh september twelfth so if you're in the area maybe you're a couple hours away and you're you're thinking about making the making the trek uh i would recommend heading down and getting to hang out with uh some fellow uh carpet python maralia enthusiast uh it will uh be an awesome time so if you have any questions or comments uh contact evan uh sprouter over on facebook or you can contact bill stegal uh on facebook as well stee i always say his name wrong it's steagle right steagle yeah i hear i hear buddy say and then i say it i don't know i guess i think he's like the i think you just want bill to be steven segull so you kind of like make him that way bill segull yeah uh yeah it's um really a world yeah so these these carpet fest that are that are kind of popping up is just it's just an awesome way to come and talk snakes meet new people uh you know maybe you're new into the uh carpet python world and and you want to sort of get your name out there this is an awesome way to sort of uh you know rub shoulders with uh some some great people like bill um you know at at ours on the east coast we have uh you know guys like jason and mike and all those guys and then out on the northwest um you got guys like nick mutton and uh casey laisic you know justin julander has been to them i think i think very philip tat you know well tat i think went to the uh north at the south west jason's south west yeah yeah so uh so go check those out uh the northwest is on ten three uh which is right around the corner that's in seattle washington uh if you're interested in that uh you can go check out their facebook page or coordinate with uh amy i know they're doing a uh an auction uh for us arc uh so get in contact with her and you can work out details uh for that uh let's see as far as um let's see breeder's direct maralia python classified group page wow that's a big name on facebook uh the cool thing about this group uh is the fact that uh this is a little baby from uh jason bellon and chris uh from uh head hunters um basically if you're you get to talk directly to the breeder that can show you all those things that we talked about earlier you know can show you a picture of parents uh how it's kept how many times it's shed what it's fed on etc etc etc so uh if you're posting something up on that page then you are the guy that produced the animal and uh or girl and uh that's that's pretty pretty important thing when it comes to uh you know making sure that you're getting quality stock for your collection or just even just as a quality trophy animal that you want to keep just a pet uh so go check that out facebook a group page if you're not a member then you should uh sign up and become a member uh i'm sure as the season approaches you'll be able to uh see what people have going on get on various lists etc etc and uh i'm sure that once the season is underway that's where you're going to see a lot of the cool awesome animals uh from the 2016 breeding season posted up there um let's see what else we got us arc uh we can't say enough about those guys if you're not a member go over to u_n_ mark org and join up uh show your support uh if you can give them five bucks ten bucks three bucks two bucks uh all that adds up whatever you can uh afford to give you know if you're shipping animals or you're buying animals i always say that uh tell the person that you're shipping if they're using chip your reptiles click on the the little uh you know little box that says that you donate a dollar every dollar yeah you know i mean come on man that's that's cheaper than a price of couple coffee so uh and you find four quarters in your couch you should do it yeah i mean if you spend two hundred dollars on a snake i'm sure you can you can splurge for a buck um n_a_r_b_c tindley park right around the corner uh october i believe it's 11th and 12th right mm-hmm yeah uh maybe yeah i think so i have to get those dates uh anyway uh that is the show of the year when it comes to uh reptiles um if you have thought about heading out uh i would definitely recommend going out you're going to see some amazing breeders from all around the united selling the best animals you can get um you know pick your species it's going to be there uh so it's just a good time you get to hang out um if you're if you're into carpets i would suggest that you make the trek for this because you have carpet row which uh you're going to get all of the top carpet python in breeders uh in one spot um you know you got psychotic exotics which is not a carpet row but the fact that they're still there nearby yeah you got myself you got oh and you got Jason bailin out redding uh headhunters not going to be there but sometimes they are there uh my curtain that's beautiful what i hear from a rumor so i don't know yeah right so definitely worth uh making the trek and uh and hanging out um it's kind of like a mini carpet fest type of thing or carpet fest too whatever you want to whatever you want to call it but uh it's definitely worth it um and every once in a while we got to meet some of our Australian friends uh which was pretty neat uh we got uh talked to uh Pete birch we got to talk to uh Gary Whittaker which was awesome you know my favorite morph in the whole world when it comes to carpet pythons and i'm a rough soldier with the guy that owns it you know i mean how cool is that so i do love those yeah yeah so just to be able to talk to them and you know when you're talking to guys like this they want to show off what they got the next thing you know they're pulling out their phone they're showing you pictures it's a great thing this is the thing that i'm talking about getting out there and talking to meeting people and all this stuff because everybody wants to show off their animals even if they're not showing those things on Facebook or if they're not showing uh those things on a forum or wherever the case may be this is uh you know you get you sort of feel like you're on the inside scoop so to speak uh so definitely uh worth it there uh ebe marilla that's me ebe marilla.com if you have any questions you can send it to eric@ebe marilla.com and uh on facebook it's just ebe marilla uh tomorrow i got a big photoshoot planned uh so i should have some uh some new pictures up uh maybe some available stuff etc etc get ready for the season starting to put it up on my breeding page um you know putting together which care is going with what or which animals going with who um one of the uh things that i have been working on and it's somewhat uh it's just a work in progress and i chip away at it a little by little is that i'm doing a care page so to speak that uh is a little more in depth than uh you know your standard care page so if you go over to my website you can check it out you click on uh keeping and breeding and then it'll you can click on the keeping carpets and scroll down and that's sort of the start of uh many many uh things to come on that page so that's all i have for myself oh and we'll finish it out and then we'll call it a night go ahead Owen cool all right uh we what i have is you can go over to rove-reptile see all the website and the babies we have a sale as well as our breeders and bios and things like that uh you can also go on to rove-reptiles at facebook.com and check all this stuff over there like i said earlier in the show i will be at the white plains reptile show this weekend i am not vending but i am attending so if i'm going to a show and you want an animal i will deliver it for free you just got to make sure you pay for it before the show uh that's the way that'll roll um and then after that i don't think we have another show again till tenley park so should be cool all right um what i will say is thank you all for listening and we will catch everybody tomorrow holy crap uh for some more the more brilliant voice on radio so exciting good 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