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Carpet python talk with Eric and Owen
In this episode we will be hitting on some of the current events in the carpet python world along with some other things in the world of pythons!
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No storms coming through tonight. So we should have clear clear clear You know show for everybody and of course there's no guest We know it's a kind of show when the first thing you type to me across the message board board is like oops wrong button So if that happens, I already know what we're going. So it's like let's let it go. So let it happen now So yeah, we I kind of screwed up a little bit with Dates I thought John Bataglia was on this week, but apparently he's not on till next week which pushes back the Tiger talk show with Jason So that will be the week and then the week after so Stay tuned for that tonight. It's just me and Owen and Owen is sounding crystal clear crystal clear now you people can hear me Over done So yeah So I thought we'd hit on you know just a bunch of topics around one of the things since it is Hatching time and setting up baby time and getting them to eat and whatnot I figured tonight would be a good opportunity to for me and Owen to maybe chat about you know what we do what we've experienced You know what we've seen other people do You know stuff like stuff along those lines Yeah All right, we're getting thumbs up all around all around so You guys are distracting him. Give him a minute. Yeah, stop messaging. You're totally confusing him I got it's not worth it with me Nothing nothing at all. Nothing really I'm fucking lying I have a female rough scale Python Nice She arrived today and you know you know you get those frickin you only get a get a Python That you wanted for like ever and you just kind of stared it when it arrives and you're like I'm afraid to touch it She arrived I had it delivered to the office much to the dismay of June from Morgatan with the FedEx guy comes walking right up to me Because here's your package. I go. Thank you. Hey, you know Don't tell policy. Yeah, the problem is promise a lot of your guys places where it's don't ask don't tell my father will not stop Asking until I tell so what's the box? What's in the box about the fifth time? I usually just tell him so So she hung out with me at work all day I brought like he packs and stuff of that to just have her hang out, but all day just Looking over and all sort of stuff. It's it was awesome just getting her and I and I got her from Dave D Who has been contacted me a few times? From Listen to the show knowing I've been hunting down the rough scales. He's from What is his I? Bribe in Veritas. I believe it's his company's name if I totally butchered that I apologize so But yeah, it is She it's awesome to have it and it's awesome to have the complete project now and Now we move on to I don't know I'll throw a dartboard at a book and see what species I should get into next Maybe more boys Oh speaking of Boas. Yes, let's speak of Boa I went to Matt Matt Minutola's house yesterday to to pick up my rodents and He was showing me around and he has some baby boa's there and I gotta tell you man. They're pretty Pretty good, you know The what what kind of boas were his again cuz I remember we saw them the adults when we went and saw Or what days place at one time. Oh shit. I always mess this name up. Um do it I want to I want to hear his tears from us butchering this No, I can't I can't remember what they are That has these things they look like boa constrictors. We don't know what they are, but they look kind of cool. So Well, wait, yeah, you would you would put me on the spot like that, but You know, I'm not really a boat guy so I get I get a pass. Yeah, that's right. You see this, but there he is. Thank you, Matt. It's a And what the hell is that last thing? Mm-hmm They don't they look almost completely patternless on some of them, which is awesome looking And you know Hey, it's And I know Matt was excited to get these guys and the one thing he did say is that you never get over the smell boa having babies and I will completely Agree because when the Dominican had her babies I honest got thought like a rat had been hidden by one of my snakes somewhere in my snake room like under the carpet or something Like that cuz it was horrific. So I don't know How do you get used to I don't know, man. I don't know I hate you so much. Andrew Andrew used to breed boas and he told me you never get used to it because it was just like You walk in the house to like either babies or downstairs or like all of them have died And so it's you know, it really smells that bad. It's horrible, dude I guess cuz I guess I'm never Experienced it and it kind of did surprise me, but I can never get over the smell. It's just bad Wow Yeah, all right, I don't know if I I was talking to him but about them and one of them did catch my eye, but Now you're getting a pair I know I wouldn't get a pair. I would just get one, you know, just one Well, no sense Well, yeah, I just would want it for a pet. I don't know about a breeder Matt Matt make him take two I'm a python breeder. I'll buy the other one if you give it to them. Just make sure he takes two But yeah, I mean Yeah, they were gorgeous and It's not that, you know, it's not to have other projects because I mean Matt does borneos bloods and he's got Some retics in the boas and he's somehow drank the Kool-Aid when it comes to Condros but I was I was seeing some of his Condros man. He's got quite the Condro collection man quite the Condro collection. I mean this guy He kind of reminds me in my early days of carpet python In my day I ran around with a lot of money and really pissed off some guy. I never met. Yeah, it's It it when you get involved in a project It's almost like I kind of can see both schools where I want to get involved this species of snake Okay, I'm gonna get one see if I like it kind of gingerly move into it But then I also see the if you're gonna get involved with the project just jump feet first get a bunch You know if you like it go for it. So yeah It's almost like Matt got some Condros and he really digs him So now if he has he's all in he's going right for it. So he has Way more than I do. I mean I only have two and three the third one coming and you have how many now I Have six damn never mind. I've encountered your shit in a while It's impossible, but um see you mean he got six and Matt has like what now? I Don't know. I just asked him 14 14 Jesus Christ That's nice and weren't we supposed to get this guy on carpet python so we could reap the benefits of being able to sell this guy And he totally just kept right over carpet plant on spent. I was there yesterday And I was I was looking at there's a Borneo. I have my eyes on and I have a pair of Pair I want a pair of his Malaysian blood pythons and because I kind of like that idea of having that A locality type that's not really around in the States and keeping those kind of bloodlines going and what not and you do enjoy the Rare freaky stuff. Yeah Yeah, and you know, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking I'm I'm trying to think well What do I have that he will want and I don't think there's anything this year that I have that So I don't have to put them on like the next year weight plan or something This is a rare problem for you. Normally you're like I got what you want, baby It's like you know now it's like I don't have any thing. It's like yeah, okay. Oh Yeah, so But yeah, it's some killer killer Borneos too, man. Good Lord. I Glad he's got the stuff because remember I'm sending my send my blood to him He doesn't know it yet But I'm gonna drop it off at his table at August. I'm just gonna put it in the table walk the hell away I'm done with this creature It's really cool when yeah, I know right. Yeah, oh He doesn't want no parts of You take it you breathe it. I'll take baby. So figure out what do you have her afterwards? I'll do the same thing with you with the idea. I mean, I don't understand why you're getting all happy Which by the way me and Owen are doing this joint pairing he has an ivory jungle jag Yep, where did that come from? That was Andrew got it Craigslist believe it or not and then I was able to trace it back to the breeder in Florida and Got the load down on her and that was I was at that Reading show the one where you showed up with You know your wife and the dog with the boat We're not talking about that Stick to what we were speaking about damn it Same point so I mean I sold the two animals on Friday But then said I said I had nothing to do but stare at this and I'm all on my table So and I kept getting compliments on her because she was a bright white jag baby, and I'm like Screw it and Andrew sold it to me at cost And I actually got offered from the guy who bred her to buy her back for like triple what I paid and I'm like Oh, I'm gonna hold on to this Yeah, she's a diamond Bread to an ivory jag, so she's diamond I diamond jungle and coastal all mixed in there So it's just a good right good. Yeah, it's all Wonder she's here. No. Yeah, there's there there were nights when I looked at her. I'm like why are you here? So it's I like that project you and I do it because she's like an off-white Jaguar and You'd have your ivory jungle Who I've wanted to like clock you over the head and steal from you since I saw it the first time He's gorgeous. He's a micro regrets that one for sure About this Because I've asked them. I'm like I need more I need an ivory jungle, but I need to make sure it looks like Eric's Ivory jungle and he goes I'm not sure if I can make another one like that. Oh my god Damn it. So yeah, it's I'm kind of looking forward to that because I want to see what we can get out of that so You know well the Apparently I from what I understand about the way the ivory works is it's kind of like the way tiger works and Your girl is She's not as extreme as my boy, but I think the two of them together especially with the diamond blood in the mix is going to make for some killer killer Ivory jungle jags or ivory diamond jungle jags against is what they would be. Yep before I met you I had six coastal carpet pythons and I was a happy person with my coastal carpet pythons and look what you've done to make so Now we're like, oh, yes, we'll make these white things these monstrosities. I'm actually looking forward to it. So That would be a cool project. I'm sending you my granite mail because I've had enough of him I told you I'm splitting the pair you're getting the granite man when Jason Bailey's getting the female And if you both produce clutches, then it's me. It's clearly just me here. I'm the one of you Yes, well, we will find that out for sure. Yes, we will You're damn right we will. So, um, yeah, that'll be I don't want to see it Yeah, we talk while we type yeah, that was pretty stupid They can hear us He's he's a nice boy. I've always liked him I mean now everyone will understand why I wanted to like physically assault you and take him away. So yeah And I think I remember I don't know I remember this was Mike Kurt and I believe and it was back in Hamburg and it probably stood out to me as More extreme at the time because I really didn't know that much about carpet pythons But I remember passing by his table and seeing this white jag and Thinking man. That's it. That's a way that I want to go and then I saw that That that male Um, and I picked it up from him and that one actually at the time. I think was was was a picky eater He's rock solid now, but At the time, it was the only the bastards in the beginning So Mike I think Mike was trying to steer me clear of that one Not because he had any inclination that that was going to be as nice as it was, but just because it was picky Yeah If i'm trying to sell somebody something that and they're not as experienced I'll try to steer them in the way of the animal that's going to do the best for them Because the last thing I need is for them to be like I got this from Owen and did god What'd you do it? So it's you know, it's one of those things where you got to kind of steer them in the right way, but um You know and he's even said that that wasn't even like the best looking one out of the group at the time but like somehow he has just flourished so Yeah, somehow you made out like a bandit again and the problem is that I the reason I like luna Which is the girl I sent to you is because she reminds me a lot of uh benjamin Yes, I can see that The pictures you always saw of benjamin was this off white uh jag And yeah, that's what I remember at hamberg. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You always saw benjamin as an off white jag and people hunted like animals to try to find Uh jags that could link back to benjamin because they were thinking at one point You're going to start producing white jagwars. There have been countless people who've come to my table and who i have like i've had to like shatter their perception of what that animal was and what it turned out to be And it's it's just one of those things where without ivory Or without any kind of mixing of other types of blood You're not going to get a white jag because a lot of people have not seen the pictures of benjamin in the later years When he turned yellow. I mean, that's just how it goes Yeah, so let me ask you this question What happens if you would put exanek to that? I don't know give me an exanek and i'll do it Well, i'm also breeding him to his sister because i picked up a pair from uh from mike. So i want to try to produce more I like him. So he's going to do Straight on jungles and then uh ivory jungles and then he's going to do the Muraliabesque by clutch I love it. No Probably by the radio bastard clutch perfect. That's the name So Now are you thinking that if you mix ivory with the exanek that you'd have some kind of alteration to the exanek like i don't know Uh, they would kind of mix in there a little bit or do something funky I think it would just make it. I don't know. I don't know. Let's just think it out loud like uh, I would imagine So the exanek takes away the yellow, right? Yep so Having an exanek ivory do you think it would just make chris for Contract yeah, i think it would make it pop Yeah, i think it would make it pop better Might only we knew somebody who had all the makings to do this crap. Oh wait, that's right Yeah, this is why i'm talking out loud No, yeah, let's get out. I'm sorry. I apologize It almost like um, what's what's the what's the jungle the jwatin right? the The line that everybody's kind of it doesn't even look like Uh an american version of a jungle, right jwatin jungles, yeah jwatin jungles. Yeah, so that's what i'm talking about They look kind of like silvery, right? Yeah, they're like white and yeah, what if you threw that To some kind of exanek or that to some kind of ivory Oh, god You're trying to get me killed. You monster The first year i'm going to make him i'm going to make not not jwatin's i'm going to make just straight Jungle jacks People are going to kill me Scott porter. I'm going to punch a wall I'm pretty sure you like hear a ring like your delveau ring and it would be scot just punching you in the face so it's like yeah There'd be a line of people behind him too Wow, see if i have uh heirs is there's actually there's uh, there they are I'll send it in the group by the way. We're doing the um really python radio chat Yep Actually, they would make a pretty good pair, wouldn't they? Yeah, like look at that It's perfect. Uh, dude. I like the second one of yours First one you can keep i'll take the second one Yeah, I don't know what i'll do with it if i'll take it So that's the female too, um, and yep, see i'd pick him so So, yeah, so today i had Sorry, so they look like they look like the kind of kind of remind me of ij's so No, what do you like them? Anyway, did i you had uh, did i had tigers, uh, uh, uh, shedding out, which was really cool nice Nice and uh, I forgot how much work it is getting babies to go. I have switched over Uh, I don't know what your thoughts are on this, but this is going to be my approach from going forward is like the first two Me actually I think i'll probably go three meals the first three meals. I'm going to feed live Okay, and then and then switch over because it's so much easier Uh to get heard that especially anything with darwin in it. It seems like they're just Trouble fears yeah to get going once they're going there style of gold, but I mean, I've heard that and i've also heard that It is a lot more of like a drop it and go and then it's all kind of they'll figure themselves out and it's much easier Um, i've gotten lucky this year knock on wood out of all my babies. I only have Out of the 30 something babies i hatched this year, which is shitty. Um, I only got Four babies that are holding out on me. Everybody else took the food some even before they had their first shed. So Um We're just kind of rocking and rolling over here, but you remember last year I had the brettles would not take food at all And uh, we ended up having to go get live hoppers And that's when they all started eating. So I would definitely recommend it for shire species Uh or gentler species getting kind of get some I guess excited and they start moving towards food, but You know, obviously size is appropriate I went over to a friend's place the other weekends is his first year breeding carpet pythons and he had a clutch of jags And they're in cages, which were completely soaked Because he's like oh they haven't shed yet. So I posted up the humidity and he has what I would consider a Newly weaned or small mouse in there with the chag And he goes i'm like what the hell's that in there for a pet and he goes no Food and i'm like i'm like there's no chance in hell that little baby hatchling is going to eat that mouse More likely you're going to come in and find half a hatchling. Okay, so you get something the right size Oh, I asked him for money. So i'm like get fuzzies or hoppers. You know, it goes smaller. This is ridiculous So yeah, I go like Fuzzies or hoppers depending on some of the some of the ones I hatched out this year were on the smaller side So I want one fuzzies, but for the most part i'm trying to go Yeah hoppers. I mean if you can do hoppers The movement I think is what makes them 10 times better. So If they're arched if I if I give them one time and they don't they don't eat Um typically i'll do a fuzzy. Yep. Uh, and i'll put it in overnight That way. I don't have to worry about it. And I usually find that uh that that gets them going Uh, I also learned from bill last year is that you got the old bag trick. I'm sure that you used that before. Yep. I love it Put them in the paper bag Put the paper back, you know put the fuzzy in the paper bag with the snake You put the paper bag in the tub and you just leave it there and then you know you come back and you know they're good to go So That's worked pretty well. I've never done the braining thing. Um, yeah, I have Um, you know It's just it's just a thing where it's like if you take it Uh needle and just stick it right between the eyes of the thing he can kind of squeeze a little bit their skulls are so soft That the brain will come out through the hole and sometimes that gets snakes all into a tizzy Um, and they bite and then they eat Other times it doesn't do anything and you just smush the head of a small creature for no reason So It's kind of like a crapshoot there and I mean dude in my in my beginning. Here's I did frickin everything I brain things. I pinky pumped babies that weren't eating I soaked babies in tuna fish water from a can I soaked them in chicken stock I ripped up a blooming from all sort of stuff and it's like it It sometimes you will have to go to those extremes But you got to learn to pace yourself like don't go crazy if they don't eat the Uh first or second time So, I mean my my first clutch of babies. It was like nobody nobody ate the first time the next day. I was like falling out Um chicken stock to dip the pinkies in and bothering them the next day. So um You know give it a shot see if they eat and they don't eat give them a week try again And you'll actually be surprised at how many more will take so And also don't necessarily have to wait till they all shed if the majority of the clutch is shed out Offer food to everybody in the clutch because I have several babies that have not shed yet their first time But have eaten like twice So all that happened to me today. I have a still a few holdouts and actually the ones that um The ones that didn't shed ate and the one that did shed didn't so Goddamn it going gets everything so but it's it and sometimes they They'll eat and then they'll get big and that'll actually force the shed along a little bit faster Start ripping it up a little bit. So it it's something to really be concerned about and obviously Expect that your snakes are never going to follow the textbook. I mean they're going to do over the hell they want so you know, um I'm a huge fan in offering the food you want them to take first and then being surprised um You remember I got the baby dominicans First thing I did is after they shed is I offered them all Frozen thawed fuzzies and I had three babies that took frozen thawed fuzzies immediately And it was like, yes now you three will never see geckos in your lives. So it was, you know So try to see what happens and you know, you might get lucky with one or two and It makes your life a whole hell of a lot easier, but um Braining is definitely something I would suggest trying Uh, if you need it so The other the other one that I used is one that uh jason balon got me going with was um, the uh chick down um, yep You get the uh the under the under I guess feathers on a yeah on a chick and you got them off rub the Mouses all over. I put them in a in a in a bag with them and let them, you know Just sit there for a while and fermenting all that give me stuff and Uh, then uh that got him. Yeah, that got him going pretty good Um, so yeah, I tried that but really from now so much so that I think I'm gonna try to maybe get a small group of uh mice and um Uh, just use them as uh What do you call it? You know just you know, just well no it just have them as like uh for first couple meals of my babies I'll have them there and I won't have to you know, it makes sense You know, it makes sense. You're slowly on your way to having a shed full of rodents in the back of your house. Enjoy Oh, no, no, no, no, no No, no, no, no. Oh, I can barely keep up with I can barely keep up with the snakes You know what I mean to do that. That's a whole other job. No way You may have to finish off with the snakes and then go to a whole nother building to clean your rodents If I was doing this full time. Yeah, sure I'll do the snakes break for lunch and then go to the rodents. I mean, yeah, well duh but it's like I I couldn't imagine doing it, but um What I have found is when you're um No, I do not. I'm not putting rodents in my shed. Zach. Thank you for commenting though. Anyway, um the Funny thing is that when I was feeding the dominicans and trying to get them off the geckos I just thought out rat or uh mice hoppers and things like that in a small bucket with the uh dead gecko with a dead house gecko and that was enough of a scent to get in there so even sometimes Scent marking doesn't need to be like I sit there with the pinky and rub it on the chick for 20 minutes Sometimes it's just it's just thawing it out in the water with the same animal and Sometimes you got to cut open the prey item that you want to scent with and things like that and uh It works out, but it's almost like just keep offering the food and obviously just stick with it and A lot of times animals come around. I mean you have a few that are never meant to go any further um I had a few dominicans and I've had a few carp of pythons It just never take the food and eventually just turn down on you And I've had a few animals that start rocking and rolling and then stop eating and then Turned down on you. So You know But the majority of them just start eating and then never look back so Yeah There's always the ones that aren't going to go. I have I have become comfortable with um I want to call it force feeding. I would call it assist feeding Yeah Where I just kind of set the pinky in the In the mouth and then it kind of you put it at a spot where it can't do nothing, but really just kind of Swallow it and uh usually and you know It's it's like all this talk that we're talking about where carp of pythons are difficult to get going In my experience, they're really not that bad. Um, I haven't yet Done, you know bred condros. I hear they're a nightmare I've heard that too But I've heard other people say like uh, you know, they they go, you know, it seems like uh buddy's like the Condro whisper so he like gets them to go somehow, but it's almost like it's almost like I feel like your condros are either going to be Either going to take off and eat like crazy or you're going to have help. It's just it's like a coin flip depending on where you're at and I don't know if buddy has it down to an exact science or He's just been very very lucky But or he has it all set up correct way. I don't know but I imagine you've got one or two to try to pull his hair out every um or what hair he has left Um out every year or something like that. So I think that uh the Probably the the best thing would be just to be very consistent, you know I'll bill saying it's very clutch specific and baby condros. How about that? Yeah Would bill really know about condro babies though. I mean do we want to take him to heart Yeah, I guess he's produced them. It's not like you produce a bonicle of them. I mean, you know Yeah, what the heck i'm going to fart on the bottom. Yeah, it's worth idiots Those are very well rounded Individuals do you see all his yeah, I see all his crazy ass car pondros he tossed up on the pick of the week Last what do you think of car pondros is this the line you won't call? It's a horrible creature uh Carpondros is a one of it's like wait, what what? I don't know what what No, I'm not going to say it because then Anymore Of you Is a no-go right now go for you. Well, it's about the tarpondros are weird. It's either gorgeous or It is monster. I mean Around with those guys. It's either looks cool or oh my god. What is that thing? So and a bunch of ones bill ahead we're free. We're really pretty. I mean it's Zach just added you. Yep. Yeah, anyway, but Moving out of them Zach. Yes, I know I know I don't care though so But when you have when you have the carpondros I mean bill had that one or two ones like there's some really wicked colors You can get our carpondros and then you had jag pondros in there. They they can look pretty cool too They really can Hold on a second. Let me time out hold a second because I'm getting I'm getting a little a little Feedback from the the chat. I didn't say whether I like carpondros or not You're not getting feedback from the chat Uh, Zach is busting your balls. So, you know, yeah It's uh, it's one of those things where it's like Tarpondras are neat looking. There's not from me. I I could never I could never do it Uh, you know, I think for me they would be cool to keep as a pet You know like a like a visual. I think they're beautiful. Yeah, but some of the ones that But at this point we have so many carpet pythons between two of us and we have three tree pythons Why would we want a carpondro? It's like Do we need to have that one slot filled where it's like I need something that's kind of in between the two animals that I already keep Yeah, it's weird It's one of those things like it's it's that line that people won't cross so you have Uh, you know people that breed Um the two different species of kondro together all the time and you know, that's okay And you know, you got people that breed carpet pythons together and that's okay But like as soon as you're saying oh carpet in a kondro. Oh, holy god. No way Just I I like I said, they're either really pretty or hideous So I've never seen One near me that I would call like gorgeous or that really speaks to me Plus people are like it's kind of like a carpet and a kondro you would else kind of carpet a kondro a rough scale I'd much rather have that because so it's like Here I am. I'm good. They're just People can go crazy people can breathe the hell out of them. I'm cool with my guys So I'd rather have the kondros here the carpets here the rough skills here And I know that uh having an arubiak and then i'm taking your arubiak Uh, he's already sacrilege. Um, so Yeah, you're getting a little grando Yeah, oh that oh god that's him Yeah, I don't want him anymore. I I remember him Hell did I just agree to all right? Well, whatever, but it's it's one of those things where it's like I don't know if If if something had kind of gotten to me about Carpondros are one of the things we're actually thought about getting some because I was so nervous about keeping Kondros Kondros. Yeah, because I thought that yeah, that was cool them by like if I look at them cross side That was a question that was brought up by uh germaya that uh he was asking and boy I still talk to um Uh john about this next week, but yeah, um the whole You know, do you treat it like a kondro do you treat it like a carpet? Here's my problem. I treat kondros and carpets the same so It really wouldn't make a difference, you know, right? Uh, I mean come on. That is pretty cool It is pretty cool. Yeah Yeah, see I get told you it has a shot Hey jack has some kind of sate and tramp stamp on its hat What the Yeah, that's kind of what we're drinking tonight. I mean before we just jump the satan tramp stamp on its head Well, it does. It looks like you know the whole the horns and no, no, no, no There's no point in you even attempting to explain what you just said more um I did have uh before we continue on with our Talk with uh, baby. I did have um last week. We had brought up a question about I want to get this out of the way. We had So that we can ramble on because this was kind of cool and kind of important It is most likely We were talking about when does a a gene start or a morph star or how does it start and um kc canon, um Who by the way has a really nice collection of bruddles if you haven't uh seen what he has going on, but uh, he's uh Studying genetics. Uh, so uh, he put uh, he sent me an email basically telling me You know to clarify some things which I thought was cool. So i'm going to read it out. So here we go Uh finally got around to listening to last week's show and heard a few misconceptions about Inheritance while you guys were talking about the possible pied diamond Um, yes, something that he said doesn't have an explanation for Uh, that he thinks that uh, he can help clear up Uh, you guys mixed up the inherent inheritance of recessive with the inheritance of dominant codominant and incomplete dominant trait which Which was the cause of most of your confusion With recessive traits like albinism Examic and stonewashed the founder is always heterozygous animal that mutated randomly At least two generations behind the first visuals The odds of having the exact same mutation happening twice at the same time Spontaneously on both alleles to produce a random homozygous recessive is basically zero So what happens with that is one of the grandparents or further back Is a spontaneous hat that passes its gene on to its offspring offspring to make more heads These hats either breed together or with the founder to create the first visual three generations down the line That is what happened with the first albino darwin first white tiger and first don't wash breadle python I think when he says white tiger i'm assuming White tigers It's not Oh, no, there's actually a morph of white tiger carpets. We've just been all keeping it secret from you So Damn Dominant traits and complete dominant traits and codom traits follow a fairly similar pattern of inheritance that includes having the founder mutation Being a visual with virtually no chance of having similar siblings or needing the gene to be passed on From the parents think of the parents of the original zebra jungle will never produce another zebra when bred together because the mutation occurred randomly in the one offspring As the sardos supers producing pines as for the sardos supers producing pines i find that unlikely because sardos can be Produced from non-stardos parents from what i have seen meaning it probably is recessive or polymorphic uh, there's a possibility is in complete Form of pibaldism like the translucent veil chameleons or just a random non-genetic problem No one will know until it's bred Um, he said he loves a show and thought he could help out. So we appreciate that. Uh, that's uh, that's an awesome explanation Um, just to call out to anybody if you listen to the show and we get something wrong or you feel you can Uh, point us in the proper direction and have a better better explanation. Please email eric Um, and we'd be happy to set record straight and tell people we are inherently stupid and Try to paint the picture correctly When, uh, the the following show we would totally we do not mind doing that we would love to Have that stuff pointed out don't be dicks about it, but you know, it's uh, yeah The, uh, thank you for that. That was that's that's much better explanation than we could have ever Have muddled through so oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, thanks kasey Um, you know, it's like I think sometimes when we're on the show. I don't know I think you're probably the same way only but it's almost like we're talking on the phone. So it's it's not like You know, I don't care So I I do appreciate the the The feedback and then sometimes we say things and I don't know that I even said that people will say That's the other day and i'm like, uh, I did I did It's kind of hard especially when we're waiting into so many different things and of course um reptile genetics and actual genetics are like two different things Because we have different names. We have different things things are explained incorrectly to the genetics world Um, I don't think that it's that it's different per se is just that we screwed it up because of our Misunderstanding of what it is because I remember one time I I worked with this guy who who actually studied genetics in school Yeah, and uh, I was talking to him about Kodam and he was like, what the hell is Kodam? You know, what does that even mean and I'm like trying to explain to him like well if you have Uh, you know, if you have this one that's a visual for this and you breed it to a normal You're going to get half of that, you know what I mean? And I'm going through the explanation. He's like, no, that's not right at all Yeah, that's not it at all. Exactly. So You know, sometimes some some things were lost in translation when it came from genetics world to Reptile community. So of course, there's a bunch of stuff going on, but yeah, it's uh Definitely appreciated. We can get pointed in the right direction with that. I still want them I still want the stardose Diamonds just one on king snake. I keep staring at and someone needs to take my credit card away from me so Once you sail from that, okay? Yeah Mmm, what's cool? It's kind of like a forum but How dare you Don't you speak ill of my forums? How can I over totally carrying you apart on that? That was so much fun. Anyway, oh, yeah, that was pretty funny Yeah, I had um, I had I had said that I posted up pictures on the bush league because to me it seems like that's the only forum that still gets any kind of traffic You know other than that like most forums are dead Um, so I go over and I post there and you typically when I post there It seems that the reptile report will pick up the picture and put it on the thing and usually that equates to likes on my page So it's uh, I said that um, you know, oh, this is pretty cool. I put it up here and they're like what? Sure Like book it's like yeah Just to ruin your day a little bit. So yeah I've given up on the forum thing man. It is what it is. I can't fight to fight anyone. There's nothing you can do right at a certain point Yeah, I refuse It is what it is But uh, so okay, so I had got a, um A request To hit on the citrus tiger story and we'll probably hit on this again I've talked about this on the show before but basically, um, let's see so Anthony capanero, uh picked up a Pair of tigers from Jason baleon. So we're talking original on tigers and he got the I guess the best of the best um And uh, he uh I'm sure if you've ever been to Anthony's Website, you've seen this picture of this beautiful yellow tiger perfectly striped, um You know the one I'm talking about, right? Yes, I do. Yeah, it's it was like it was just like only picture he had under Tiger carpets for the longest time So it was what everybody really wanted in a tiger carpet, but no one ever seen this Yeah No one ever could get it this thing was gorgeous to get it. Oh, it was it was perfect and it was one of those things where It I was so pleased by you remember the tiger I had Um that was actually the father of the caramel I sold you Um, okay Yeah, oh wait. No, I think it's not not it's not their month. Sorry. Sorry. Um, but I had a tiger that uh was from Ted Thompson That actually looked like the one that confinato had on his like page And I was like obsessed with this tiger for years and he produced like Several tiger several several clutches a tiger for me. Um and all my panel, uh striped animals were from him So, but it was like, yes, I finally got it from a completely different person So it was just that's the way it worked, but yes, I know that tiger back to your story Okay, so Yeah, I have that I put the, uh The picture So you see that uh that tiger that's there that perfectly yellow striped tiger the one sitting on the branch. Yep. Yes Yeah, so It's hard to believe that those original tigers produced that one, but it's killer Anyway, I had one of the original tigers in a breed loan over here um fail and sent him over to breed with my coastal uh movie probably about two three years ago and They popped out some great looking colors. So, you know, sometimes tigers surprise you But yeah So what he did is uh, he did a joint pairing with dave prada Um, and his, uh, high contrast queensland Coastal switch Q if you've heard that which Owen is a huge fan of um, basically Basically the story with those guys is is that when they came in They were labeled as queensland carpet pythons. Um, they were Brighter than uh, what you would see in the typical coastal. So that's where the high contrast came from Right. So there's some people that will say that they're jungles there's some people that say that they're coastals. Uh, I don't know, I you know, I I kind of look at jungles and coastals the same, but I would I would say that that that is a coastal That would be my my original thought is a coastal because all my highcons got huge And appeared more coastal like to me than they ever did jungle um but then the other thing is that uh The color that you can get by mixing high con into something is ridiculous because I have a high con jaguar And I have a second gen high con And they both look like jungles. Um, and that's what I love about them. The One that I kind of believe for the longest time is they called them queenslands But some people were telling me that there's some kind of natural intergrade around there that they could have been part of So, but I don't know. I I always stuck the coastal. Um, but you know, yeah So Yeah, for all intents and purposes. I look at it as that's a coastal Some people will argue that wherever, you know, but anyway, they did this joint pairing and out prop out pop these what they were called hcq tigers And this is where will berg came into the picture So will berg grabbed a bunch of these hcq tigers and if you listen to The very first reptile radio that will berg was on this is back in like 2008 Maybe 2009 Um He was talking about these hcq tigers and um, he was saying that uh, they were definitely a lot Uh more that a lot there were a lot yellower than the classic because if you look down If you were in the chat, I guess I should post this up on our page as well, but yeah, probably So that people can see it. Okay, I will do that But as you can see like the difference between like what a Jason bale and line tiger like the original line They're very have like what he would call a khaki color For the tiger Whereas the hcq's have more of this yellow Orange type of tone, you know, they've taken on that high contrast And I think that that that sire That uh, anthony used that tiger really is what makes these You know, these things pop on the sire side. So Um, wilbert had this and he was doing these projects So on the dam side, this is how the story kind of gets a little crazy so Bt brine taylor from reptile radio had um, he was real into He's a purist type of guy. So he had van and vetter jungles and he bought them from this This lady and her name was jane mcfierson And uh, she had these jungles and she was so um, so he went to get Uh, he wanted to get these things that she was calling reduced pattern jungles And she was saying that they were pure and you know, all that so Bt picks these up and uh, he goes and he posts them up on uh, actually it was over on mp And he posts them up on mp and everybody tells them that that is not A jungle that that is a coastal Now, I don't know when you look at this when you look at that I I I could see where people could say that it is a um A jungle I could see where they could say that it's an you know, a mix like an hcq. So, um, yeah I don't I don't I don't know what this I don't know what the story would be. I really guess it kind of depends on How you would hold on i'm posting this up over on the uh, and it kind of seems like where you would slice it. I mean It's You're looking at it At the end point she looks That female looks Jaggy, um Jaggy Yeah, part of me would say that I mean, I I'd lean towards coastal. I really would I mean she looks I dude. I produced tiger sibs, whatever you want to call them Um, babies that I'd come out of tiger clutches that don't have Oh man, you said the f-word that you're saying the s word I'm sorry Sorry, I've produced coastals from tiger clutches better. You bastards. Um That that resemble that kind of a pattern Especially when you have tiger jags or things like that involved you can get at all over the place So part of me wants to say that she's coastal But she's got some underlying stuff in there that makes her have that pattern in that color And I don't want to say it's all cause a jungle It could be because of the genetics of the parents or grandparents or something like that. So Yeah, I think that's what you're looking at is that she's probably a Coastal from a morph clutch. I want to say probably tiger or jag Yeah, yeah, you know, that's I never thought about that. You mean like a Yeah, but I don't know if she had jags at the time. Well, you never know. I mean, you know Maybe jags are around it's just they were I mean jags are around, but I mean they weren't You know, they were crystal pretty really high dollars. That's why I'm probably saying that she's probably an officer to some other kind of a Morph thing, but if that involves jungle it involves jungle. I'm just saying she's not There's definitely a lot of coastal blood in there Yeah, so so That's that's what I would say. I I'm not going to sit here and I wouldn't say that there is no Coastal. I mean no jungle in her um, I'm going to get a couple more pictures of Of the uh, the female because I have some better pictures of her um Okay So woolbird took these high con tigers and bred them to this female of unknown origins Right, okay And the resulting baby were these tigers were that were the citrus tigers, right? Okay I do remember them coming. I do remember him debuting these things And it was one of those where tigers had just started to kind of be followed with a little bit more Because originally you just had tigers and tristrips and then you started getting colored tristrips Which eventually led to colored tigers because the first thing to happen whereas Bailin started doing the red tigers at the same time all of a sudden citrus tigers pop up and They the citrus tiger babies looked a lot like Normal tiger babies, but then after a couple sheds All of a sudden you saw nothing on these things like the color you've ever seen on a tiger It was ridiculous and eric bought them all Pretty much It was Um, it was it was just kind of funny because it was that was my first interactions with you Was who the hell is this bastard and why did he buy all of them? And it's funny because all of these well you kept happening I'm sitting in my college. Don't know. I'm like, I like that one son of a bitch It's like, you know, because what they people understand is that when um Oh when when when when you buy when you bought something for wilbert What he did is if you would put down underneath it um, thanks so-and-so For the purchase Yes, your name your name appeared so many god damn times that he started abbreviating it to eb And I knew who the hell it was because every single one I wanted it was like thank you eric I'm like fucking hell It's like And it was funny because after We had like I first met houred and we were talking to him and you came to one of the shows And everyone was like we were talking to houred how it's like you were the asshole that bought all the citrus tigers I'm like thank you. I wasn't the only one so but But the colors on these things and he even had the non-tigered citrus which you've got a few of those two um The colors on those things were looking incredible. It was this Yellow that was not tiger yellow. I know I probably sound really stupid to other people, but there's some people who are going to understand me Well, they have yellow Good, we're seeing more than I have Yeah, where the citrus part comes from is the fact that They're more orange than they are yellow Um, I don't know if that makes sense, but like what you're saying is is that you'll be looking for this yellow, but really, um the It's either the uh You know, it's that orange that makes it pop, you know so Mm-hmm. Did I leave? Oh, I didn't leave. Oh, I'm right here. I'm right here. Okay. It's okay. Um, I'm agreeing Yeah So, um So yeah, basically that's that's that's the story of those so what I did this year is that Um, I have You know the whole bunch of citrus tigers And what I did is that that that female that zak had posted up was a icon tiger Which was basically the generation back and that's kind of what uh, Ted Thompson did And that's why his tigers have that look Um, I remember being at hanberg too and walking around and I'll never forget he had these tigers in one of those You know, like four-tier acrylic stands. Yeah, you know, yeah, that's where I got my boy And I was like, what the hell even my my dad did a double take We were walking around that show and as I was walking around I was like, what the hell is that? Yeah, you know, that's I thought my boy at that show. Yeah, that was that was where I bought Remus. Yeah, it was uh Ted Thompson had See, it's almost like you're looking at the two tigers because Hamburg used to be the show for tigers. I mean he had bailing over here. He had Ted Thompson over here And it was like baleons had the pattern it had they had stripes down to a freaking tee With then Thompson had like a brighter yellow color. So it was like Which kind of tiger do I feel like today? So that's how I ended up with like eight tigers. Okay, so yeah, you know and then baleon Bailing came out with the reds and I remember running into his frickin Into the show running over to his table and buying the first red tiger at salt so, you know, it's it's one of those things but a you had so You went Further down the line with the citruses this year, right? Yeah, so I took the The original male that I got from will which I call him satch Um, I love read him I bred him to um to that female that zach gave me because zach he kind of moved out of the You know that of that project and he figured you know plus plus his female was evil She's calm now, but she was a bitch um She's just very hungry and uh, she uh, she produced the tigers and i'll tell you what man These tigers are going to be smoking hot. I'm to I know it come tingly park These things are going to be smoking hot people are going to be going nuts so I'm kind of i'm going through today, right and i'm looking and i'm like I can't sell this one I can't sell this one See this is a god damn tiger head out behind us all over again. We're like look at these things you can't have any Well, what I did last year is is that I took the citrus doctors because if you look at the The way that the citrus tigers are if you look at they're black They're black it's like this jet black and then they have like it's the contrast It fades into gray right where the portholes would be on the side and um the thing that I really like about them the most is that now I have multitude Of colors and pallets that I can breed um You know to get different different looks and tigers because I have the red tigers from the original red line Not the red morph, you know, just the red the one he bred back in '07 Bailin bred in '07 Uh, then I have the red red which is molly ringwald, which is that similar to what you see with uh with caramel and then I have the russian tiger and then The citrus tiger and then these hcq tigers And uh, so it's it's quite Quite a palette of stripes to work with and hopefully I can really produce my goal is to produce an animal that looks like uh, anthony capanetto's animal that he has um Because you can see like in the chat if you look at that picture that I posted up that it was another picture of them I think what I like is that the light outline with the black and then you got the stripes Now if you could get that to where it's solid, you know, solidly striped. Oh my god. That just would be sick So that would be nice. So you're talking like australia Uh, you know striped jungle stuff that they got, you know, so So that's the tiger story or the citrus tiger story. Um, you know, I don't know I don't know if people You know if they if they want to think that there's Jungle in there then I guess, you know, I guess there could be i'm not going to say Well, my eventual thing is that I definitely do want to get my hands on one of your boys citrus tigers Because I have a icon jag here and I'd love to see what another shot of icon would do to those kids so I may have a boy that I may be making available. Oh, and oh no All right Quite a number of battles. Yeah, I don't know. It's like because it's funny because I what I got into the high cons through chris and it was because dave prada had them you selling for like 60 bucks a pop and Then after they started producing things also their price went from like 60 to like 200 Because people started wanting them to mix with the tigers and everything that So I had an original pair of pada high cons and that was pyro and lyra and pyro I used for like 10 million things with breeding, you know Uh, a bread straight up high cons and then I also threw him to my mdb jag aurora to make uh, the high con jag so it's like the just the mere presence of high con and certain things Just makes the color pop and a few things and I'd love to see what you can do further unfortunately, I lost both those animals, uh So i'm down now to their kids So I have one High con which is second gen which I have no idea as a male or female it keeps confusing me because it probes as an in-betweener And then I put it in with a boy and it's like I don't care and I put it with girls And it's like I don't care and it's like come on. Will somebody please like combat with something or try to breed something either way But I would love to see what more refinement could do to that kind of a line because I think there's all there's there's a bunch of untapped potential there so Absolutely I actually almost made high con zebra jags. I sure you would have been very proud of my mutt making Yes Girl grown up now. I know adorable So, uh Yeah, a couple of things that I saw floating around on uh maralia pick of the week and uh on facebook and such Um the one I don't know if you saw we're talking about we brought up a little bit reds You know, you don't have reds in your collection, right? You're a caramel person I have reds of red tigers Yeah, but you don't have the red reds like the mbb reds or not. I have the red reds and it's not because i'm a caramel guy And then I draw the line in the sand. It's because i'm waiting for you to breed v with molly ringwalt so I can get the good shit It's like It's it's just one of those things where um When I bought into the red tigers they were not as refined as some of the red tigers and reds that jason balon is pumping out now And also in my idiocy when I did breed my mbb and I got some really nice red animals I just put higher price tags on them and sold them so Um There were several that i'm like why did I do that so um but uh It's just it's one of those things where uh, I have the red tigers And I'm really enjoying moving the red tigers along like I've read last year. I bred a red tiger to a high con tiger And I got my whole back female from that clutch Is starting to look pretty frickin stellar. Um She's bright. She's a brighter red more of like an orange I would compare her to a citrus, but the color isn't right. So I don't know what the hell she is or what she's going to be But I definitely am glad I held on to her. She's evil, but she's pretty so And then i'm hoping that because this year I bred um A red tiger jag to the red tiger And that's what produced the tigers. I have this year and I got some good looking stripes I'm kind of hoping that one of the boys comes out looking well if not I'm hoping it can wrestle a citrus tiger boy away from you To eventually set up to the point where you know, obviously the whole mission is to keep Going with certain projects and also Moving up in the world. So obviously if I got this red Cool looking tiger female now that i'm raising up She'll eventually replace one of the red tigers that I have that i'm breeding now Um because she's got better color. So, you know, I also want to boy to go along with her. So Yeah Yeah, so I don't If you if you haven't seen this, I guess you can check out Jason Bell and his facebook page Uh, it's all marely a pick of the week. I believe I shared it on the marely or come to hamburger Well, yeah I mean, but his red. I mean how many work he's The work he's doing with the red coastals. It's just sick. I mean this thing is almost like a bino ish It's crazy He has that one boy that popped up that has been like the basis of all Is really bright reds and that it just keeps getting better generation at the generation and it sucks because I'm like demon. I bought into the red tigers before they were pretty So And you know, that's definitely apparent by you have molly. I mean here lord Yeah, but you're confusing the two there's the red which is the Red that's the o7 stuff. That's the stuff that we have. I think we got into. Yeah Um We did well between me and Yeah That does not have any mb blood in it. Now the following like the two No No, no, no, no, okay. I thought i thought we could be red tiger and threw it to mb No, no, no, he took an original tiger and To the the o7 tiger clutches that he has is uh, is that red looking coastal that he got from Yeah, the red tricycle which is actually Yeah, which is actually talons too So I have like double trip doses of that guy kicking around here. So yeah, yeah So that was the first one and then the next one he did where he did a tiger with the red mbb line, you know, um Coastal's where that's where he started Like the stuff that luke snell used to have and the stuff that he was these killer reds And that's where v came from v came from this is a red jag that I have And he came from Yeah, luke snell and molly ringwald came from Jason valent but both right seems linear. So breeding those two together. I can only imagine what's going to pop out of that That's just going to be sick. Sorry. It's all right. I haven't been waiting for that pair for like what? Four years, jesus christen. Yeah, well, I think this year they're going to go. So we'll see Oh, thank god. I can Are crossing animals off my list So, um, yeah, I I don't You know next year another thing that I was thinking of doing just to kind of I guess maybe see what happens is I was thinking of putting the um The with a caramel Yeah, probably but You know, somebody has to do the pairing because the two I think the two jeans are very similar um, I think they might be you know, something that's sort of like along the lines of say like if you're talking ball python terms you're talking like You know a butter and a lesser type of thing You know the candy and a toffee to me This is this is always and this is not English but keep going Yeah, so I don't know. I'm still debating on whether or not I should do that but Well, it's you could it's just is that going to be an issue trying to figure out Who's who what yeah, but here's the thing you know, may I hold on to everything for a year? So it's not like I would be in a rush to sell anything and if that's the case, I would just sell them as normal coastal so You know, I don't know. It's not something that uh I would be worried about I know that you know you have that thing where people could misrepresent says this is a caramel And then you know it turns out that it's not a caramel and then people would be upset But I'd just be curious to see like would it make like a super? You know, I mean what if it did make a super and all this time we're kind of like I don't know I guess time will tell and then I don't know if you saw the other thing that popped out to me this week was the Headhunter reptiles chris rendel. He posted up that jungle that looks like a jag. It's like a reduced pattern jungle Oh my goodness. I mean, that's just You know, it's it's he had a reduced pattern that are covering up here. Yeah, but highlighter blood Jungle and man. That's just it's just sick the way that looks. It just shows you the potential See, you know, like last week we were talking about it. I think the week before we were talking about, you know, like when You know, you're putting certain pairings together for specific reasons. This is what i'm talking about I mean, and you see the results you see these guys like, you know, Jason and you see chris and And you see what they're churning out and you think they're going to have a problem moving those type of carpets No, because they're specific parents. You know, you know, yeah, I mean It's just it's just sick, but you do you do have to put yourself out there so that people know what you're doing I mean that is a part of it, but right people know what you're doing and you put the right animals together I don't know. It's it's pretty much, you know, that's how it goes people will What's the thing if like uh, if you learn to build a better mousetrap the world will pave a road to your door So if you if you figure out either if you do the pairings and if i advertise your pairings and there's stellar pairings People are going to seek you out. I mean I still get comments or questions for people asking if i'm even producing white lips or scrubs this year And that's just from merely throwing pictures out there None of the pictures that i'm sitting on eggs are breathing. It's just pictures of them. So it's just the way it goes so it's You have to Animals be proud Off your animals a little bit. Don't be cocky about it and don't start putting down other people stuff But show people what you're doing and you'll be surprised how many people are interested in it And you know, you might even learn something too along the way. Also, you might be able to find out a different way to go You post up animals and you say i want to do this and somebody might be like, well That boy kind of looks like this. Maybe you want to try doing this instead and you can totally turn on your project different ways. So you're right Or Somebody can post up an animal that you find really attractive and you're like holy crap I can make that if I just take this animal and go that way. So instead of where i was going with it. So Just a bunch of different things you can try Basically become active in the community and do something Let's sit on your hands and expect people to buy your shit Yeah So I figured since um, it's uh that time of year where babies are hatching and whatnot and um, you know, like i said at the beginning I think it would be uh Would be cool to just uh just be us about you know setting up babies and uh, you know What do you do once the hatch etc, etc, maybe some some tips and tricks on uh ways to uh, you know Get them organized and you know when you take pictures all that kind of stuff. So I guess we'll start at the beginning with that. I mean here's my question to you. Oh and um when you have babies hatching out the first baby Pips, um, you know, you're cutting the rest of the eggs Um, are you leaving the eggs in the incubator or are you pulling them out? Um and letting them, you know, I leave them in the egg Leave them in. So do I I uh, I uh, I uh, when the first one it's not even the first one I need to see like one or two Pip before I slice and when I say slice, I mean I take a pair I have a pair of surgical scissors and i'll pinch the egg and cut a little triangle And that's it and then I will literally cut every single egg Put the lid back on the bin and put the bin back in the incubator and then walk away And normally by the next day all the heads are popped out and then I won't even touch them Until the animals start coming out now for safety of the baby once it has fully emerged from the egg It's out of the egg box and into a baby bin that has some moist paper towel in it and that's where it goes And I will pit i'll put usually five or six babies to a bin because I want to overcrowd Because I've had sometimes where babies somehow turns up dead When they have a whole bin full of like 10 of them or something like the way So no more than six per bin. I got enough bins Uh, and that's where they'll stay for probably Uh a few days after that just to kind of chill out and absorb and be so Leah Okay So we're I guess we're kind of the same Um, I'm a little bit different than what I do once they come out. So Basically, uh, yeah, they pip once I see one pip I don't wait for two or whatever as soon as I see one I cut the cut the rest, but I do like you I don't I don't I don't do it a prehistoric pet style and chop off the top of the egg I just want to fire it, fire up the chainsaw and rip the baby out of the egg forcefully Do away A little slit let it go put it back in the incubator and One of the things that I did have happened this year though And I think I threw this tip out before but I'll throw it out and I got it from Rob Stone was um That I had a baby come out and it didn't absorb all it's yoke and um Been there it, uh, it died. Um, and it was you know when I showed him the picture. He's like yeah, it's probably didn't absorb It's yoke. Uh yadda yadda yadda and uh, he told me that you could get like a moist paper towel Once you cut the eggs put the paper towel on top Because sometimes what they'll do is typically if you come and open up I hate saying the word typically God damn it. Um, if you go and uh, um Open up the bin or whatever the the babies get scared they usually pop back in the egg But sometimes they instead of going out of the egg or in the egg They go out of the egg And uh, that's when you could have trouble. So I've got a moist paper towel. I just set it on top of the eggs and uh Yeah, I just didn't worry about it until A couple days then I I seen them all out and you know what I do is I I do a thing where, uh, as they come out, um, I sexed them, um, and then I put them in their uh separate bin, um, I do a uh, a weight in the beginning. I don't know why I do that. I just do Um, and I put that on their card I usually this year I didn't but usually right from the gate right there. I take a picture Um, so that I can have it on the website and I number it Now I'm using reptiscand which, um, I signed up for the one that you can sort of adjust to your to your own, um You can tweak it to whatever settings you want It's like the premium version you get like you can get the one that's just the app and then there's you can upgrade it Um, so I did the trial thing to upgrade it and it's pretty cool because what you can do And I don't know if people are going to care about this or not but by weighing it And then taking the weight, um, randomly you can actually give the customer a growth chart Um, not really sure how that works out, but and I don't really know if it would but I think of that information and I think it guys like uh Ben, um, and nick that could take that info and maybe do something with it. So that's kind of why it may be You know, um, your scientific brain bleeding in there, but um And I would I would agree if you can I don't take weights because I'm lazy um the Other thing I would recommend having nearby is certain supplies for sometimes babies are really stupid Um, the one thing I think everyone should have with their, um I don't know kit is some cornstarch Okay, cause I've had babies come out where, um, they rip delicious And bleeding a little bit And honestly, okay Hit cornstarch and you just kind of get it in your hand and you put the bit right where the baby's This is and it'll clot it'll stop the bleeding. It's basically non harmful, um Quick dip powder, you know, and uh, if you're snails and you clip the big nail and they start bleeding Yeah, that special powder that's supposed to stop it Well, that okay kind of burns sometimes rubbing that baby snake is probably bad Cornstarch will do the same thing. It's a quick kind of thing. It all comes together So if you have a baby and they have ruptured the umbilicus and they're bleeding a little bit They're probably not going to die, but it's a pretty good And actually I saved the i've done a piece of my guys who like you said sometimes when you cut the eggs They were on the opposite direction And maybe he's absorbed the yoke But maybe he also brings it with him when he comes out of the egg And ends up ripping it and there are some veins in there so there can be some blood So I just kind of put some cornstarch on their bellies and then in a few days the umbilicus drops off And they're happy little baby snakes. So, uh, That's my recommendation at least Do you keep the baby's moist until they shed or do you just let me do the bill? I mean, I try to keep them moist, but after after about a week of them Together, um I I sex them and I separate them out and put them into their own cage because I want to know who shed and who didn't So I want them to be separate And i'll give them big enough water dishes that a lot of them will soak in them And if I see somebody kind of having a rough shed i'll flood the cage and really miss them out and really make them nice and you know, uh moist, but uh, I've had no issues with that kind of stuff or no need to I know somebody was shocked. I forget what I was talking to but i'm like, oh, yeah I keep them together for about a week and then I sex them and separate and be like, you don't keep them together until they shed I'm like, I didn't know they needed the emotional support of their brothers and sisters to shed I thought they'd get all right by themselves, but I'll I'll recheck this but it's like I put a point of I want to know where each baby's at and I don't like having it where it's like and I know that In a pile I can know I can look and know who shed and who didn't but I like it better to have everybody separated Have their cards go and have everything moving in the right direction and start compiling the data that needs to go along with each kid so Gotcha. Yes. Yeah, I uh my work a week I find that the uh Well, another cool thing about uh, I'm going back to rep to scan for a minute Which has kind of changed the way I did things a little bit this year is that um What it does is when you actually have a clutch You can get a tag for your egg box And it gives you one of those qr codes And basically, you know, this is all off my phone or my ipad You go and you scan the qr code and then I can set up How many babies I have and then it gives me a I love that Individual qr code for each of the babies print it out put it on there boom boom boom now every time I feed shed It's all there all the data is there. I can email that to somebody I can send it off It's not on a you know Actually, um index card or anything like that, which is just awesome. You know Well, the parents are there um Yeah, the roughy today. Dave does rep scan. So I got a whole packet on her Everything your lineage all the fun stuff her birth date Uh, her feeders her shed records her clean records, which I assume would just be fecal records as well All of them right issue is born up until last week So, and it was really good. I actually updated all my stuff. I scanned the barcode day gave me and now she's in my system so Yeah, that's really uh really a cool thing and it makes it makes that that that whole process so much easier Um, you know, I used to be so such a daunting task to to You know go through and oh man, you know have to uh Write down on the next card and all this stuff All that stuff. Oh, they're god and then It believes your rich would be separate like uh the arubiac that I have the female I got all her lineage information. I updated the database So now when I pull her up, I have pictures and ownership And names I guess numbers for her parents and her grandparents already set in to her system So if when I breed her I have to click her and then it already it's already building the family tree for me I don't even have to do anything. So Yeah, yeah One of the uh one of the things that I do I kind of got this from met a little bit I saw a system that he kind of had in place and and and they use like those Um dot stickers uh for the tubs so that I can kind of look and see You know, what's what just at a glance? Um, and what I do is is that once they ate I give them a green dot Um, and then boob your girl if it's a boy. I give it a blue dot if it's a girl. I give it a red dot Um, and then if it's for sale, I give it a yellow dot so then you know if it's Just by looking at a quick glance. I can see what's going on just by By that. Um, yeah, and I like that I did Because with I have the normal cage cards and I've had the cage card system since I started where it's every baby gets a number And then I also put down when they shit I've like when they have their first shed and then I put down some feeding increments Just also I know what i'm looking at Which I love because now I have these index cards that have their baby number Then they have when they shed and then they have all the little feed things And then I have a barcode on it that I can go even deeper. So at a glance I know where everybody's at but now I can go even further if I want to do so that's what I like Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, uh, yeah, so I I I noticed that um Since I worked on the humidity in my actual room Um, so it's not so dry in there anymore. I noticed that uh, I don't really have any kind of issues With shedding. However, there have been three this year that that did for for whatever reason I guess this is just the way I go sometimes had some really bad shed. So, um, I just more or less moist down their their tub and You know Until the next time they shed Um, I try to keep them a little bit on the on You know just spraying down the sides of the tub Not not so good wet, but that's kind of how I do that. Um, I do uh, I do Uh, basically how I set up the baby tub Um I just get a tub Uh, I use a six quart tub at this point. Um, it's what I'm using which yeah, it's a little big for a baby carpet I'm going to be I have a A vision rack that's the baby rack that's coming and I believe they're v18s. I'm not 100% sure Um, but uh, they're a little bit longer. They're not as tall Uh, but they're a little bit longer. So what I do is I use um Basically, I use a paper towel Um, if I noticed that the animal seems to be Uh, not it's not feeding or If I have any kind of issues another tip is uh, use, uh, paper towel MP paper towel rolls, uh, and I just use that as a hide Cause, uh, the snakes like to feel secure and snug and sometimes if you use those big hide boxes They don't get that feeling where they're kind of crushed in Um You know, it's smushed in and they feel that they feel more secure and sometimes I just stick the The fuzzy or the hopper right outside the uh, the roll and then they'll come out and they'll eat it Uh, and I was using uh, for a while I was using a 16 ounce deli cup for a for a water bowl Um, and basically I was using that for a couple of reasons one Uh, because they couldn't tip it over two Uh, they used it as a perch as well Um, so they would perch up on the rim of the on on the rim And uh, it would serve kind of both purposes there I have since switched over to this local place to have like these little souffle things Like if you go to a restaurant and they put ketchup in it or something like that So I use those and I use a smaller. I think it might be a six ounce deli cup I just like the deli cups because you I don't have to worry about water bowls. I ordered these wrong water bowls from uh, uh, rep Uh, what's that place? Uh, not triple l Let's see other place. Why can't I think of it? Being farm No, the other one, um Triple l, uh, you know what? I'm wait doesn't matter. Whatever I ordered these water bowls because I thought that they would be able to hold a 16 ounce, uh, cup because I noticed like some of my Like the medium sized ones would knock it over, but they they wouldn't so my, uh, sub-adults. I have these stupid water bowls that I have to wash. Luckily my, uh My wife washes them. I just kind of put them in the sink I stare at them every night She kind of gets the clue and she goes to town. So that's always a good thing. So that that's really how I set up the the babies Um You know, and uh, I do three feeds three solid feeds to where they take it no issues right away boom boom And uh to me then they're ready to go. I don't know When do you know that they're ready to put up for sale? I used to I used to wait till 10 feedings that's ridiculous. So, um, um, um, I usually try to give them a month of here And if they're here and they're eating salad for a month, which is like three or four feedings Then they're good to go. Um, I set up my baby cage. It's a little bit different. Um, um, I I said them on newspaper Um, if what I found is if you go to a wawa or any kind of supermarket, they have these like buying truck Guides little pieces of newspaper booklets for people selling cars and trucks and whatever Take them and rip them up and throw them right in there. It's fit perfectly the cage liners measured for this shit Right. Um, also what what newspaper does work. It kind of holds a little bit of a thing. It's almost like a damp paper towel um And then they have the water bowls. He's the same thing you do. It's a heavy souffle kind of dish or many thing that they can Unsit in whatever and then I give them a hide box, which is um, there actually Cases from pipette tips from a lab I know if you that work in laboratories where these things hold the tips of pipe that they use Um, they're all completely sterilized Uh after the fact after they're done and then they usually they're just discarded So if they take them they save them for me and I bring them here I Melt little holes in them and then they use them as hide boxes. They fit perfectly. I um Now for I know zek is talking about using moss or something for keeping his babies on which I've heard and good I've also heard using um cypress mulch and a few other kinds of items. I will use malt uh moss um for actually my lye acid um My water pythons and my sevus Like absolute love moss put a clump of moss in their cage. They're hiding under it in like 10 seconds So I try to give them some moss to hide under to play and or do whatever the hell it is They do with it and i'm trying to figure out a way to get it for the olives too because i'm figuring I guess if they like it everybody likes it so um It it seems too pretty good. I guess it might be a little bit boost of humidity kind of that way, but uh And then for my guys, uh with the feed schedules is start offering food and see what happens and then you get it going and like you said about three or four feedings and then they're good to go Which is cool because those tigers are Just getting up there to the third or fourth feeding and people keep bugging me about them. So i'm like, all right Uh, I might not have any babies to sell it and work It happens, but uh It's one of those things and I love the uh the reptile skin it gets all that stuff moving for you But there are so many different ways to skin the cats of having to set up a baby It's just my generic way and it might not be your way, but it works for me Yeah Yeah, that's definitely uh definitely true. There's there's a whole bunch of different ways to To set them up. I think the key is is that you want them to feel secure um, you want them to be able to uh You know, I guess You know in their in their brains they are thinking that anything that's coming from above with them is going to eat them And uh, you know, they just want to get away and that's that's really where the uh the nippy carpets come from You know how they get that yeah That bad rap. Yeah, there's a little little play deal things. Yeah Yep, so when do you move a carpet from say a baby bin to a uh Larger bin Oh, well, that's kind of a tricky question with me. Um, you know, it's simply because five. Oh I see that's only I grow it. Oh My heart I kind of slow grow my carpets. I don't really I'm not trying to get them huge Um, I was talking to a guy today about adult size of carpets and you know my males they maybe Three four foot if that yeah The worst thing one of my boys could ever do is sire a clutch because then he's on maintenance for the rest of his life And like well you've clearly showed me you put me to jenny maker So you're done. I mean my adult males are in v 35 tops if that gives you any idea It's like a 28 court 30 32 28 something like that. I have I usually put my yearlings in 32s because that's when they have to grow the baby rack Um, I do still have some yearlings. It's almost like my whole backs Grow out of the baby rack sooner than the ones I'm trying to sell So which i'm clearly is my fault, but um Move up to the 32s when they're about a year old and then some all my boys with the exception of my original boys like palin um could live in my 41 court rack easy But um, I usually keep them in three foot cages But and then the females when they turn two or three they go into the 41 court and then eventually into one of the cages Yeah, I kind of move them up. Uh, they go basically how mine go they go from a six quart tub they go to the 32 or 28 whatever it is and then they move up to an adult would be in a 41 court top now. I mean there's a lot of I guess there's a lot of people out there that would say carpets are not, you know, you shouldn't keep them in cubs. You should keep them in cages I guess, you know, maybe that's true. I you know when I kept them in cages Uh, I don't know. I just didn't have the same success. It seems to me like You know, it takes whatever works for you. So whatever works for you Yeah, I I There are some Honestly that I would like to put in cages simply for the fact that I want to see them That's one of the things that I do like about the condros is that I like Yeah, they're out in the open. I don't know carpets or like that too But that's if you're keeping them as a pet But if you're breeding them to me, I don't know that kind of changes the way you have to approach uh, keep them and I've bred in cages since 2010 Like I actually got cages and then I got the rack so and I've had Success in both so I almost feel like it doesn't matter too much But certain places or certain ways of keeping might be more conducive to different caging options So yeah, when I uh have a certain way of keeping When I eventually move What i'm planning on doing is uh for my larger adults I definitely i'm going to keep them in the uh, the big boa tubs Which to me or it's about as they're about as big as a As a kid. It's like it's like one of my three foot cages on rollers. Yeah, that's what you're looking at And you can even get ones with windows. So yeah, yeah, so Yeah, and like I said, there will be some things that I may keep in Loves engaging, uh, definitely the pretext will be engaging. That's for sure I don't think they make tubs big enough But yeah, I mean it's Now, um, but there's there's different ways to do this and there's different ways to set them up and there's just some ways to breed So You know, I I like the cages in the panels and you do well with drawers And rack systems and do that but that I have rack systems that I absolutely love for other types of carpet python Like the jubies and things like that. So, you know, don't settle into one type of way of doing this stuff Yeah, I I fell in love with the vision racks. I think that they're just they're just awesome Um, I know that a lot of people will go with uh, uh, uh, ap Um Racks and they're they're nice as well, but I guess the difference is is that if you're keeping a heated room Uh, there's really no reason why you would have to have the sides unclosed Uh, if you're not keeping a heated room, then you probably want to go with something that has closed sides like like an animal plastic Like rack but because of the way my room is set up I actually kind of prefer it to be open. The one thing that I am doing is, um I'm moving my diamond pythons out of my room and they're going to have a naturalistic setup in my house. So copy good Um Well I just think that uh For one they're probably the most beautiful of the carpets. So I want to see I I I hate you for your reduced patterns. I mean My god. I want one so badly. Yeah, they're beautiful I was thinking about cohab and i was thinking about cohab and cohabing them, but i'm not sure if that's what i want to do or not so but um I'm going to do that once my guys are old and um Uh, but they are near that yet. So Yeah, I wonder if that would make a difference It might it might not. I mean part i haven't seen i haven't seen my diamonds in a little bit I sent them over to Andrews because uh I needed bigger and I was worried about temperatures here and things like that. So Uh, they're down at Andrews like set up it outside his monitor room just kind of chilling So, uh, I only get to see them when i go to Andrews So i'm like, I haven't seen them a bit. I should go check them out. I know, right? I need to get them home So I'm probably going to try to bring them home in a month or two. So Now that everything's kind of calmed down But um, I've seen pythons cohabitate. I mean obviously you see them at the zoos and things like that where they're just kind of sticking the same cage Uh, all the time So I wouldn't be too concerned about that especially, you know, obviously you're going to feed them well and stuff But that's not going to look because like food items or anything like that That problem I find with cohabitating is if you feed two animals at the same time There's always one that like eats its right immediately and there's one I'm going to play with it for 20 minutes And that's one the other one. So it's looking around and poking at it and they could bite each other or something like that. So I guess Yeah, that's definitely tricky because that's something that uh, I've experienced multitude of times my poor albino jag got mistaken for uh, a rat um You know, I don't know so I I just think that uh, you know, I've heard that they uh, they like to perch Diamond pythons like the perch. So I'd be curious to see See if they do that. So I'll set up some nice branches and such in there And just get a real nice You know, I think they that I think that they're really gravitated towards The sun so not like all reptiles are not but Um, I think that's just part of the way that they are. So I think that an overhead lamp will Yes, or if you can dude, I'm planning on because my or my guys are is going to be in my living room Um, I got enough windows that I'm planning on just pointing Like leaving one of those open so the sun just hits right on the damn thing so Yeah, biling from I'd be afraid that they would like you know, like, you know magnifying glass with an ant You know what I mean? Like Come home and you have wow that is horrible. Oh my god. No I burned a hole in my diamond python Do you have a gruesome imagination? That is horrible. Yeah, well I don't know. So um Yeah, so that's basically how How I set up now you set up babies. Um This is this is my biggest year and so far. I think I have a total of After these hatch out, I think I have 72 babies damn And if you look at chump With my 30 babies over here And then the last clutch I have to hatch down is Super caramel zebra jag to a caramel zebra. So I'm days away from seeing what pops out of that Super caramel Super zebra's and super zebra carmels and super zebra jag who knows we'll see Um, but uh should be uh should be pretty exciting over here uh the next couple days So, um Yeah, we're about almost out of time. Um I don't know if there's anything else that you wanted to hit on Uh Nah, I'm pretty uh everyone should come to hanberg august first That is all Okay, if you are in the philadelphia area Or in the no, not even if you're in the philadelphia, it's your ass over here. Yeah, god dammit um But no and uh one more time. I'd like to thank dave d For a rough scale python because he kind of has been sticking with me. I think he first contacted me I think when they hatched about a year ago Uh telling me that he had him and was offering them to me and uh then ever once in a while I would uh He would drop me an email going just in case you forgot and remember the the last time he did it was after I just bought uh Allister and ellenor at the um at tingly my diamond pythons Because I remember I called you and i'm like son of a bitch I forgot about the rough scale pythons and I spent all my snake money and you're like wow That's kind of sucks. I'm like god So um glad we could work something out ended up uh getting her anyway. So yeah Uh if you guys are looking for rough scale pythons, uh, I would go and contact dave He's got a few more left a few pairs. So We'll betray carpets for them Probably not that you could ask Damn he seems to be more into the condros. So you might be able to try to escape him once So yeah, very cool Um Yeah, we have um Well, let's say next week is Next week is john uh pataglia from maralia trophy club Uh, he was joining us. Uh, we're going to be talking about selective breeding. He recently had an article in uh reptile's magazine And uh, that's what he So I guess I got to go find a reptile magazine. I'm pretty sure I canceled that subscription, but I want to read it. So um Yeah, I canceled it too I've got I yeah, I tried to look but I couldn't find it Um, but um, all right I have all right if anybody has a reptile subscription still it get And skip email it to either myself or eric or post it up on the Week or rally python facebook or something like that because we'd like to read it Um Or if somebody could just tell me what issue it is in so then I can go try to hunt it down myself So, right I like to read things Anyway, yeah So, yeah, he'll be on and then the following week we have uh mr. J. Jason bale and uh coming on and we're going to be talking about Tigers, uh, I'm sure towards the end we might try to Get him to sneak in some of the red ghost will talk but for the most part We're going to be talking about tigers. So if you have questions About tigers or or anything of the such Look sack has it so he's gonna he's going to get it So he's gonna read it. Do it. Yeah, uh, you heard me Um So, uh Shit, I lost my train of thought because I just so tigers and reds and happiness Bailin will be the week after yeah Correct. Correct. And after that we don't know to mystery. You know, we don't know it's a mystery after that. Yeah, um so Yeah, so Mariah python radio, uh, I guess we'll we'll wrap this up and roll on out So mariah python radio. You can subscribe to the show on iTunes. Uh, just on a side note. I have um Man this week we went from no podcast reptile podcast to like 15 podcast this week. I can't even get through them um there's uh There's like tons of uh These different podcasts. There's one Of course there's our Our favorite decondro version of of the show is the gtp keeper radio But uh, yeah Reptile radio. I got a shout out on there from those guys over there, uh, which was cool. Um But I found this new one It was actually kind of was it late night and no, no, no, no, it was gecko nation radio But they interviewed then on there from australian addiction then Yeah, I didn't it had no to do with gecko's geneticist capacity or breeding capacity Well, I started I started looking into uh I started looking into Yeah, I know. Never mind. Did you ever hear her scanner? Good work. Okay. Not being exact Uh Look at all that yellow goodness. That's so pretty we can look at the pictures. It's all we could do. Anyway So, uh, yeah, so There's some uh some cool episodes there. I know a lot of the people in here are always looking for some Some other things to listen to. I'm not really a gecko I'm not really a gecko fan, but uh, they hit on something But if you're anything like me, you don't want to listen to us talk. So no, you know, I'm coming through now. I don't like So It's one of those So we need other people to speak for us. So it's cool that they got the interview Ben. I would like Ben So yeah, it was I'm halfway through the show, but anyway, uh, so you can subscribe to the show on iTunes You can check out our website when I invite on radio.com Like the facebook page morality python radio and you can follow us on twitter at morality python if you want to email us with questions or comments You can send them to info at morality python radio dot com And that's all for that eb morality. Uh, that would be me. Um, I am gonna have tons of babies for sale. Um, and uh, you know, if you're looking for something, you know, reach out You can check out my website at eb morality.com If you want to get in touch with me, uh, eric at eb morality is my email. You can message me on facebook and if you want, uh, you you can check out my uh page on facebook eb moralia, uh, then I have uh twitter and instagram I really don't do messages and such on instagram. I just more or less post pictures on there But uh, really the best way to get in touch is either through the email or through the facebook um I will have some babies at hamberg. So that's all Yeah All right. Um, what I got is you can go to rogue-reptiles.com to check out all the babies we have for sale. That is up to date Uh, we don't have any of the 2015 based on there if you want to know what's going on with them Please drop us an email through The website or through the, uh, facebook page, which is rogue reptiles on facebook.com And we will be at the augusts first, uh, hamberg reptile show I was going to say we could deliver to the oaks show, but it turns out i'm going to be out of town So we will not be at oaks Um, but if you are have your heart set on animal, we can try to work something out Uh Get in touch and figure something else out with that. Anyway So what we will say is Thank you all for listening and uh, we hope to catch you all next week for some more moralia python radio Good night, everyone Hey, chad brown here. 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In this episode we will be hitting on some of the current events in the carpet python world along with some other things in the world of pythons!