Morelia Python Radio

Eric and Owen- Pre carpetfest and season happenings!

In this episode we are jacked up because we are a week away from the 2015 NE Carpetfest. We will be talking about the auction and what is going on in the world of Morelia! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.979749925377813&type=1

Duration:: 2h 20m
Broadcast on:: 27 May 2015
Audio Format:: other

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The whole cleaning is probably quite the project. I sort of got a cleaned more of my house for the impending carpet fest. I guess when my mother came over for Morelio, it's like I didn't have to scrub the snake room. I told you, I think I'm taking off layers of my PVP pages, but it's like mom doesn't give a shit when I told the snake. I'm like, "Oh, God, people are coming to judge my snake room." It's a full freaking bore. You've seen my room numerous times over the years. Sure. You have nothing to worry about. You're fine. I can understand the excitement. I love it because it's like 10 people. I'm like, "There's going to be 30-something people." Now, I know there are some people who are not going to be able to make it who said that they are going to come, but preliminary stuff is that we're getting into the 30s. I'm like, "Prap, where are people going to put their cars?" There are several things that are weighing on my mind right now. I didn't even think about that. I know. If you're a random person now who's like, "I would like some pictures of this animal, and I don't get back to you if there's a reason for that my apologize." If some things right now are so low on the totem pole of my thinking, it's gone. I mean, I sent you pictures. I finished up my bar last night. What's awesome, man? I wanted to do with it. Yeah. So that's gone. I finished my giant-ass display tank in my living room that I really wanted to get finished before car professed. That's gone. I'm actually going to have a residence unit. It's one of my diamond pythons when I get old enough, but I sent my diamond pythons over to my buddy Andrew's place, and he is low on case with this. He's actually sending his peach throat monitor who's going to be in the tank during car professed. So it's like, "Holy Christ, this is getting kind of awesome." So there are several things that we're working at. Plus, the auction's going strong. You and I are talking back and forth, and it's like, I think, didn't we decide that I was doing this in like December? And it's like, "Holy crap, work." Here we go. Yeah, it's here. Holy crap. I wouldn't bought a house just for this purpose. I did. It's only a reason. Only on it, like, next month. But, you know, I'm holding onto it so that we can do this here. So it's one of those things that it's like, this is the first car professed that I've had this, and that we've had up here. Normally, you and I arrive. We help set up, and we do other things. You've always had them at Howard's place. But it's like, you know, now I've got to use it. Now I've got a taste of what Howard had to do. It's up to my tongue. Yeah. It's one of those things that it's all going to be worth it once everybody gets here. Well, I've heard really good times. Well, I figure, I figure what's going to happen probably, you know, I've been telling you that me and my wife are pretty looking pretty hard for a house. So probably what will happen is we'll just rotate it. Exactly. One year it'll be at my place. Next year it'll be at your place, you know. Perfect. And then you're going to get into the house. And then by next year, I'll be bored with this house and I'll just get another one. And then we'll just keep getting new houses and having a part of it. Here's the advantage that I have that you and Howard don't have. I have a wife. She's not listening to the show right now. Because I would tread lightly. But yeah, you do have an extra set of hands to help you. I'm just neat. I mean, the dog is worthless. He has nothing to help. And my father's even worse, you know, than the dog, so. Did I lose you? Holy crap, I did. It's only a two of us went away. How did you mess this up? Hold on. Let me see where you are. All right. Well, Eric's gone again in the abyss, wherever it is he goes. So let's take this moment in time until he returns with the basic thing of if you are coming to Carpetfest, Saturday at three o'clock at my house, which is 136 Hopel Street, Birdsboro, Pennsylvania, 1-9-5-0-8. Do not show up before three o'clock because that is when the event starts. If you are coming, you are required to bring a dish or something to drink. Whether it be alcoholic or non-alcoholic. As far as food, it's pretty open. Nobody bring any more shrimp. I have three people telling me to bring in shrimp. No more damn shrimp. And this is why we ask you guys to check with us because if you are wandering off out there and you think that you are going to do this, there could be other people bringing it. So please check with myself, check with Eric. We are pretty good on entrees, but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't welcome anymore. Mostly we want people to bring side dishes, desserts, something else like that. Just bring food. But I am telling you right now, stay away from shrimp. We don't need any more shrimp. As far as alcohol, bring whatever you want, beer, liquor, things like that. As far as accommodations, there are several hotels, motels in my area. If you want to look them up, just use my zip code, 1-9-5-0-8. Thank God. It sometimes just kicks you out or just loses you, which is funny as hell. I'm steady talking to myself and I'm asking you, I'm like, wow, it's funny that you haven't said anything. I was doing the same thing when you crack there. I'm wondering why you aren't coming back. But yeah, wasted great material, didn't we? Anyway, it's so adorable. I know, but I said that I just took a moment to tell everybody where it is, when it is, and what they're required to bring, and I told them that we're pretty open. Just nobody bring any more shrimp. We got shrimp coming from Maine and we got shrimp coming from Texas. No more shrimp, okay? We've already opened everything else. I have something here, but I'm looking mainly for drinks and side dishes and things like that. So let us know if you're on the fence about what to bring. I'll tell you, I'll point you in the right direction. It might even be something simple like, can you please still get 10 bottles of soda and come with a bunch of solo cups? Done. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, if you don't contact me and you run off there and you bring shrimp, I'll kill you. Either way, we'll get it done and it should shape it up to be a really, really good time. I'm excited, I'm also, you know, nervous. Yeah, absolutely, it's going to be a good time. So I guess what we should say is there's kind of quite a few newbies into the carpet python on Flash Morellia world and this is your opportunity to come and sort of hang out with, you know, a group of people that's into the same things that you're into. I'm sure there will be some heated debates and some awesome conversations and some. Yeah, I can just think of all the things that... The ones from previous years? Yeah, I mean, it's always, it's always, always a good time. You know, it's cool to hear. Imagine, like, if you think of, I guess you could use Facebook in today's day and age. But imagine, like, where a forum in the old school and you're like reading these posts after a post on a given topic and this is kind of like the live version of, you know what I mean? Pretty much. It's in real time. And I don't know what could be better than, I don't know. I don't know about you, but it's like when you're around people in your normal life, you know, it's hard to get them to get as excited as you get about snakes and reptiles, you know? So, like, we call them your own people. Yeah, and if you're around somebody that, like, you can talk to about that, you just, you, you, you like, like a firecracker, man. You're like, get this open and you just feel loud, it just goes. Yeah, I mean, and then you have the fun. It's almost like when you realize that, you know, when one of your friends shows like this little flash of interest and you end up, like, and you don't realize that you're bombarding them with everything, one, you're like, oh, sorry. This is a party of people like that. And I promise you, no one's going to ask you if you have any snakes on you. No one's going to be like, oh, my God. When you say, oh, yeah, I got this, this and this. This is all very like-minded people. And what I kind of attributed to is it's very much the atmosphere that is thinly parked after hours, which is like everybody gets to hang with each other. I mean, was this, this past thinly parked, I ended up like drinking with Howard and Jason a few nights and ended up going to a- well, it was Japanese Abashi restaurants with powered Jason, Andrew, and a few other people. And it was like one of those, you know, it's hanging out time for reptile people. Yeah, and what the cool thing is, yeah, what the cool thing is, is like, you look at- Well, I'll give you an example. What was it? Last week, maybe a week and a half ago, me and Zach headed over to Matt's place to take some pictures of his pornios and his bloods. And when we were there, you know, we're taking the pictures, whatever. Afterwards, we go, you know, we look at his snakes and whatnot, we're going through. You know, it's looking at stuff and then we headed out back and basically we just sat down. We had a couple of beers. We sat and we just talked snakes. We talked about, you know, everything from, you know, treating to different species to, you know, what we think of what's going on in the market. And we veered off on a conversation about, you know, like, about normal life and stuff and go back into snakes and then it's backed onto another topic. Oh, yeah. Well, there's no such thing as a short visit to a snake friend's house. I mean, there's no such thing. That never happens. I mean, there's been sometimes where you're like, oh, I'm coming over to pick up this thing. I'm like, okay. And then, like, an hour later, I'm like, don't you have to, like, go. Oh, yeah. What was crazy is, it's like, I get up for work at four o'clock in the morning. Exactly. At least. I have work four o'clock in the morning the next day. And next thing I know, it's like, God, I think it was like one o'clock when we left there. Oh, no. It was just like, you know, I'm 41 years old. So, like, when I was 21, where I could just roll like, yo, man, that's cool. But, I don't know. I mean, I'm putting Zach in charge of getting your ass into the car for wrestling. I mean, cause. Well, you know, if you wake up in the parking lot, it's a good day. I mean, that's why I'm blonde. Yeah, this is the, the other crazy thing is that, you know, somebody like Zach says this all the time. But, and sometimes I want to say, like, yo, dude, you're not supposed to get offended by this or what? So, anyway, like, I'm a, sometimes I don't know how to take it, but he's like, you know, me and Eric would never be friends in real life. And I'm like, oh, okay. Okay. But, I think what it means is, is that there's such a huge age gap between me and Zach. He's in the early 20s. There's, I'm in like, I'm in my early 40s. There's clearly a 20 year age gap between you and me. I mean, I mean, what? You're 20 now. I'm in a 10 year age gap, damn it. Sorry. I'm not 20 on yet. Well, boy. But, even, even that, like to me, you're more, you're more like closer to my age where Zach is like my little brother. You know, he's my little brother's age. So, like, you know, it's like in. Well, it's definitely weird. It's weird that you would be able to sit down and be able to talk with somebody that normally, probably in your everyday life, I would be his boss. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think you'd be more of an authoritative figure. I mean, yeah. Right. Yeah, I got you. I mean, and it's one of those things of like, you know, the, the, the snakes are definitely the bridge between a lot of different people. And it's, it's fun like that. And it's weird like that. It is funny and odd that it's like these are the things that bring it together with other people. And I definitely enjoyed Carpetfest for that main thing. It's like this is, you know, Carpetfest is like hanging out at somebody's table times 10. So, all the knowledge you gain, all the experience you gain, all the connections that you gain from hanging out at someone's table until God knows when during the show. Carpetfest is that times 10. And, you know, the thing I would recommend everybody's just relax, have a good time. I would geek out over Jason Bailin probably for about 10 minutes and then leave him alone. Eric, you can follow him the entire day. You would just be so happy if you followed him around and talked to him about passion. Actually, don't even let him sit down and just keep talking because I would enjoy that more than him. But there's, you know, it's going to be one of those things that like everyone's going to be together and it's going to be fun. And that it kind of opens up a lot of stuff. And you can, if you're smart, you make some connections, you make some friends and you can take it with you and you can help expand your own experience within Morelia through Carpetfest. You can also get really, really hammered, but if you puke in my carpet, I will kill you. I'm just telling you right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, immediate death. So that's not sweet. Yeah, well, that's obviously. But also, the cool part is that, you know, when I started with Carpetfest on, I only really got the experience of seeing other people's Carpetfest on the ones that they brought to the shows, as well as online pictures in my own animals. So it's cool now because it's like, people are allowed to come in and check out my collection. I'm all for that. I'll let you handle some of the animals as well. And there's some animals that I know some people have never really even seen in person. The olive pythons are good. Rough. Max are here. The rough scales. Some scrub pythons, and then the white lifts. It's like, they're all here and it's all, you know, if you had some interest in these animals, it would be kind of cool to check them out. I will definitely let you check them out. And I think it would be cool. If Carpetfest was something, when I first started in the Carpet pythons, I would have been so often. But, yeah. But, you know, it wasn't. So take advantage of this. Carpetfest started because I remember reading on empty about, I don't know. It was one of like, it was somebody like Nick Button or like one of those type guys. Yeah. And they were talking about having to get together. And I think they were talking about doing it in Vegas. And, you know, it just never came to fruition. Like nobody ever talked about the initiative. Exactly. People talked about that stuff all the time. And you maybe had a few people who'd get together who lived in close proximity. But nobody ever did a big thing. And then our dumbasses showed up and decided to go through with it. So, yeah, the first Carpetfest, that was a clusterfuck. I mean, like there was, there was this, there was that. The auction was like people's animals, like expensive animals are going for like ten bucks. I mean, it was horrific. Here's how it went so far, if I remember correctly. The first Carpetfest, the auction, you were hammered. Oh, what? And I was. Yeah, I'll admit I was trash. Yeah, you were drinking like, I don't know, some kind of scotch or so. I was drinking. Hey, I love that. I was drinking. I think I was drinking the rum, the Cracking, which I have a bottle and it's mine. I was drinking the Cracking. And I do this thing where, you know, certain people will test this. Then I'll mix the drink and then I'll drink. And then by the time it gets to about a quarter of the way empty, I'll just refill it. And then I'll keep drinking. And then I never really have like an empty cup. And then all of a sudden, I like put the cup down and I go to stand and then I fall over. So it's like, I know this is what I do. I'm not going to stop it anytime soon, but you know, it's just one of those things. So first, first auction, first Carpetfest, I was destroyed. Yes. Yeah. And the next one, I got. You were sick. You were sick. You were like dying of Ebola next to me or something like that. It was, you got sick the day before you were done, if I remember correctly. And then you were just trying to hang on for dear life throughout all of Carpetfest. Oh my God. Because the other one, Jiddy, I was bad. He was landing last year. Oh my God. Last year, you got hammered. So if you've just started listening to the show, you'll hear this for the first time. If not, it's a funny story anyway, at least I think. Yeah, you'll hear it again, it's okay. So I'm drinking some kind of 9.8% beer. I'm just slamming them down all day long, just like drinking them like their water. Life is good. I think I offered some, I signed something in the book that I'm going to give somebody. I think Scott's going to get like this rare project. Well yeah, because you brought your magic phone book and I started writing things in there. Yeah. I was like, I'll trade you this card of a python for a pair of sappen python. And he's like, get the hell out of here. It's in the book, it's a done deal, man. There's nothing that you can't go back on to work of the book. I love it because like years from now, while you're going through like making pairs, you're going to turn a page. You're just going to say like in the middle, oh, and it's awesome because I like went through and picked random pages and just googled on them. So like three years from now, you'll be like some of a bitch. So damn it. So I remember, well, that was another story. The whole crab incident, but I won't go into that. That's all another separate story. Sure story. Long story short, Eric ate the lungs of the crab because he was too drunk to pay attention during the tutorial. Yeah, this is true. I was too hungry and too drunk. So I just ate it. Anyway, so we get to, we usually do the auction, I don't know, it's at like six or seven o'clock. So it's like three, four hours in. We want you all hammered so you'll part with your money faster. Yeah, so we're sitting here doing it at the beginning of the auction. Life is good, you know. I met that like really good buzz feel. You know, like, you're telling your silly boy. I mean, you had the accent, you had the hands moving around. You were full blown Philly right there. And that's usually where you're good then. I thought, you know, people are like, you know, they're laughing. I'm like, oh yeah, you know, this is great. You know, people are laughing at my jokes. So yeah, you know, I'm going on and like, I'm a funny guy. I'm a funny guy, man. This is great. And next thing I know, we get to like, I think it's like three quarters of the auction. I got a weird Gecko guy to... Hey, that's Bizzito. Yeah, I call him weird Gecko guy. I like that what his shirt says, but yeah. Yeah. So I get him and I'm like, yo dude, I gotta go. And he's like, what? And I'm like, you need to sit next to Owen. And I gotta go. And he's like, you sure? He's like, I gotta go. I gotta go now. So I'm going to get up and you're going to sit in my seat. And I get up and I'm walking up the door and the dude sits down. And you're like, turn over and you're like, what the hell just happened to Aaron? You got really quiet. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, maybe he started and I turned around. There's somebody else. I'm like, fuck just happened. He did my great everything. And then I, and then I, he goes, uh, he went outside like outside. And then apparently we're outside getting sick. So I knew that in any second I was going to be going to be throwing my guts up. So I ran outside and I threw up and I felt, you know, I felt so much better. I was like, oh yeah, I feel great. But then I got tired. So I walked to the back like, like Howard's door. He's like his kitchen. And that's where me and you usually sat with like right in the kitchen. And we look, I look in and I see you there and I'm like, screw that. I was on the way down in my car. And I had the foresight to lock the door. I was going to the car because I knew what would unfold if I did not lock the door to guard. I was going through the pictures of old Carpafest and there is one of you curled in like a ball. It's a fun car. And the capture underneath is smart son of a bitch locked the door. Yeah. It was like, and then like, after the option was over, I'm like, what the hell there it go. He got sick. What's he doing now? He's sleeping. I'm like, he's in the back? No, he's in the car. I'm like, he's in the car sleeping. It's so much. Yes. Oh, it's done. I don't care. Doing something. And he would lock the door. What you were going to do was wrap your car completely in Saran wrap so that you were stuck in the car. But then I ended up wrapping Howard's car instead. So I just kind of let it go. Yeah. It was pretty cool. Yeah. But that was a really great time. And each Carpafest is a really, really good find. Yeah. And I'm excited that it's here and I'm excited that we're having it again. When you had the first one, it's like, you ever honestly think you have two, three? This is the fourth one now. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I'm kind of like, I have my finger, like the tip of my finger into other Python worlds. And I don't really see too many other groups really kind of do this type of thing. We really took a page from the Condro folks. Exactly. And they seem to have done this for quite a few times. And they, you know, I don't know. They just seem really tight knit as a community. And I think it's the kind of things that you should do. Especially with, you know, I don't know. Some of the things you see today, it's kind of like, I don't know if it's Facebook. And I'm sure we'll probably talk about this at Carpafest. But, you know, it's like kind of fragmented. And, you know, there's like little clips that have popped up. You know, I think that when you get together with people, you get to relate to them on a whole nother level. And as opposed to just talking to them on Facebook. Agreed. And, you know, just because you're, you think one way or you have this mentality about the Carpafest. You're really into this thing and you have your little group of friends. It doesn't mean we all can't come together, have some fun, have a few drinks, have a few laughs, and enjoy ourselves. That's the basic part of it. So it's like definitely want to check any egos you might have at the door. This is Carpafest. It is just fun. Yeah, I think one of the problems that you see a lot of times is you see like these new people that are on Facebook. And they come on and they've done some research. And they've had some experience. And, you know, some newbie will put up a question and they'll say, you know, my snake has whatever. What do I do? And then I actually started paying attention to this because me, Matt and Zach were talking about this the other day. And, you know, a person comes on and they think like what they're saying because they read this in a book or they read this, you know, from her, from a breeder. It's like this is the only way to do something, you know. And then an older breeder, somebody that's been doing it for 20 years, that has had all the different types of experiences and all the different situations that could pop up comes on and gives their opinion. And then automatically this new person starts arguing with the older person. And it's not that the new person doesn't have knowledge of that kind of stuff. It's just that they come off. And I don't know if it's just how it translates online. But they come off like they're the, you know, like they know no better, you know, and it's kind of like, I don't know, dude, you've read like three pairs, you know, three clutches. And it's definitely, I think sometimes on the flip side of that, I think sometimes they don't necessarily want to have an open mind. And I understand because what you've been doing for the past 20 years has seemed to work and why change it, you know. I mean, I really respect guys like Buddy, you know, who I remember him saying about how his temperatures. And, you know, all of a sudden when this kind of new wave in the hobby of keeping lower temperatures came along, I don't know, it seemed like a new wave to me. I don't know, maybe it wasn't, but maybe it's like something that caught on that's like, oh, maybe we're keeping these things too hot, you know. And like, you know, he kind of assessed the situation, looked at his animals and said, well, yeah, maybe this is something that could be true. And let me try to apply it to my situation. So it's one of those things of like, you need to be respectful, but then also on the flip side, other people need to keep an open mind where, yeah, these things, this stuff that we are involved with, it is fluid. It's always constantly changing and moving as we learn more about the animals, also as technology advance and we can offer different things. So, you know, but it's even so hard to narrow it down to, there's so many parameters that take place from room to room, from city to city, from environment to environment, from just animal to animal. And, you know, you don't really, you sort of do a disservice to the community when, or new people when you kind of don't give them that perspective. Right, right, there's a whole like, breeding is easy to do this, this mess. I'm like, well, yeah, you do that. What do I've got to do though? Right. Well, I think part of that you should earn, you know what I mean? Of course. I don't know if necessarily everything should be handed to you because I think when that happens, it almost becomes a recipe for baking a cake. And I think that you have to erase that mindset, that reptile, you know, care sheet mindset has to be erased. That's why we preach all the time about how it's so important to hook up with a breeder that you like, that you can talk to, that you can build a relationship with, because later down the line, when you do go to, you know, say, like, say you, you're in the market for, I don't know, let's say jungle carpet python. Okay, so the market for jungle carpet python, lots of people in the hobby has lots of jungle carpet pythons that, you know, you can find many people. For instance, our good buddy, Scott Borta, who has a, you know, a thing up on the carpet. He has some fabulous jungles. And, you know, if he was doing a breeding, this would be a guy that somebody like that that I would go to. Another guy that comes to mind is Andrew Parris, you know what I mean? Because if I was going to go by a jungle, I want to buy it from somebody that later on down the line, if I have an issue, I mean, if I have any kind of issue, I can go to that person, you know, because I know how he is with his animals, and I know his dedication to, you know, I call it almost like a level of, like, he's like, hey, I'm going to throw out that work. He's like high ed, you know. There it is. There's a level of detail is there, you know. Well, it's a level of professionalism when it comes to that animal. I mean, obviously, if I want a jungle carpet python, or even if I want a jungle like carpet python, I can find, I can throw a rock and hit 12 of them. But then there's the whole thing of like, do I want certain bloodlines? And do I want it from a certain person? I always would opt for going to somebody to get it that will be able to help you if something should arise. Or if you stick by their product, you know, there's too many people out there who would just be like, well, you clearly did something wrong, bite me and not be willing to help you at all. And I've actually been in a situation where that happened in time. So, yeah, you know, on the flip side of that too, I keep flipping the sides around. You know, like, I think of, look at it this way. I'm going to talk about fornios and bloods for a second. But, you know, when I was looking for a fornios short tail, you know, basically, my approach was the same way that I approach carpet python. OK, who has the best fornios short tail python? OK, Matt Metitola has the best fornios hands down that I see in the reptile hobby. Right. You know, people produce things that are similar, but for, I don't know, to me, his stuff just stands out, probably because we have similar taste and pattern and color and stuff like that. But, you know, I don't want to have completely 100% his stock because then, really, I'm just replicating what he's, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm going to step out of the bed. Right, right, right. So, I told him to do what you've got a little bit. Well, when you got your bornos and blood, you bought from Matt, and then you asked Matt's help to find animals that would pair with. Farewell, right? And he helps you. I mean, that's what buddy did with me and my chondros. You know, there was the moment after I got my first one where he kept sending you blinks to ones that were not even his. They weren't even for sale, for like, you know, there weren't anything to do with him. And he was just, this one would go well with him. This one would go well with him. Do this one. He told me to contact Julie. He said to do this, that, and the other thing, it's like, a good breeder will want to help you diversify your collection. As well as give you the best kind of lead to, because, you know, deep down, we all want to see each other do well when it comes to a thing. If you bought an animal from me and you tell me you want to pair it with something, I want to see you do well with it. You know, I want to see you produce something. If you're sitting there telling me that you're going to do this, this, this, and some of that might not even be in my wheelhouse. Like, if you told me that, that caramel, I sold. But you were going to go and use it for a breeding project with a chondro. It would hurt my soul, but it's like I want to see the best animals come out of it. So, if you're like, well, if you're going to do chondros, go to this person, this person, this person, because theirs is going to give you the best chondros and they're going to help you out back. You know, the babies that come out might be abominations, in my opinion, but somebody might find them cool looking, and I want to see somebody succeed, especially if my animals involve. So, yeah, so I, again, that's, you know, I can't stress enough how important it is for breeder, and it's not because me and all of our breeders, I mean, we don't do this as a full-time job or anything like that. So, it's not even like I'm even anywhere near making a profit for me. So, it pays for food, and then I end up buying more snakes, so then it goes downhill. So, yeah, so it's not like, it's not like I'm ahead. But I guess the thing, the thing that I can't stress enough is just the importance of that, because you can always go back to them and they can point you in the direction, especially if you can build a relationship with those people, then, you know, you can, you know, you just build friendships, you know. And you're going to come out of that friendship. And the reptile industry can be a bitch sometimes. It really, really can. And it's really good to have breeders and people that you can rely on, and might even be willing to give you a helping hand. And, yeah, the best way to do that is connections. You know, let me put it this way. Hamburg reptile show happens all the time, and numerous times I've had people come up to me out of the blue, introduce themselves, and talk to me for a little bit. And that's perfectly fine. Also, numerous times I've had people come out of nowhere and ask me favors, because I'm at the Hamburg reptile show. Case in point, few ones ago, some guy came up to me and he said, "You have mackels, probably some." And I go, "No, I don't have any." My female slugged out, because you have a boy. I'm like, "I have an adult male, but he's not for sale." "Well, how about I send my girl over to you and your breeder for me?" And then the next thing that I want to ask was, "And who are you, again?" Like, you never even said your name. It's like, to have that happen is like, you got to be crazy, you know. Talk to people, earn, trust, build relationships, and then you can be like, "Hey, can you breed this? Can I send you this? Can I do that?" Then breeding won't happen. You don't come out of nowhere and expect someone to trust you with their animals. So, you know, obviously, you don't do that. So, it's just one of those things where, you know, I've done breeding won't the people like Jason Bailin. And, you know, I've done several with you now, and I'm doing several freaking more. So, it's like, after a while, you can do that. I'm sending one animal to next year and think out of our little, like, group that always ends up talking during the day, the only one I'm not doing a breeding one with is Zach right now. So... Give it time. Give it time. I was going to run out and buy some, you know, blue-tunk skinks, and he and I are going to do that. It would be awesome. Nice. Yeah. Maybe if you had some shinglebacks, there's the monkey tail. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's kind of, I guess that's the gist of what we're talking about, though, is that, you know, this type of event somewhere where you can just kind of chill out and, you know, maybe, maybe you won't be friends with this person, but maybe you'll be friends with this person. Maybe you'll get a different perspective from this person, and maybe you'll get a different perspective. This is something that you maybe thought was this way when you're talking to them online, and you talk to them, you know, face-to-face, the conversation is much better. I can relate to the conversation I had with Josh Easter, you know? I really respect that. It's another guy, I really respect. We disagree on the whole carpet python morph thing, but that's fine, you know? And if you would have saw what we were saying and read that online, you probably thought we were going to kill each other. You know what I mean? The conversation that we were having, we both were equally as passionate as what we were talking about. You know, we got our points across, and I think it helped push the conversation ahead a little bit of those two worlds kind of collide. And I don't know, after that, it kind of, like, that whole, like, pure, not pure, don't cross, cross, thing kind of fizzled out in the morality world. It's kind of like nobody really argues about that anymore. Yeah, nobody really, you know? It's like it is what it is. There's these flashes ever once in a while of, "Ah, burn it down!" And then they'll like, they stop after a week and a half. So it's like, you know, it's almost like you've got to weather the storm a little bit, and, sorry, I'm reading. Yeah, sorry, reading things, and yes, you are. So... [laughter] Yeah, so let's talk about, real quick, and we're going to have, we're going to have a little bit of a melting of two worlds at this carpet fest. I don't know if you said melting of two worlds, I got excited. [laughter] Two worlds that we'd never really had at other previous carpet fest is that we got two blood short tail guys coming to hang out with the carpet people, you know? Yeah. It's kind of exciting because we had that kind of at the first one where, well, buddy's been to all of them, but it was more so at that one where we had, I think Greg Stevens was there, we had... You had a few conjure guys at the first one, you know? Yeah, there was a couple other conjure people there, and, you know, it was kind of like this, you know, loop smell, he was like one of those guys that's both conjures and carpets, and, you know, it was kind of like... It was cool to have, like, those two kind of worlds. Now you're talking about short, long, skinny, or long, skinny snitch and short, fat snakes, which is kind of like, you know, I just want to pick their brain, and I'm sure they want to pick our brain to, you know, it's all carpets. So we got Lon, and we got Matt, and they're coming out, and you want to talk about that? Yeah, they're going to wear special name tags, so we can tell them apart from, you know, the Morelia people, and they're going to sit at a different table. No, there is no discriminating at this point, in the Northeast. Everybody's walking at the table. Well, the thing is that Lon and Matt both have Morelia. I mean, Matt definitely is dipped more into the Chondro, but Lon is the guy who got you some Bloods and Borneos, and got me into it, too, because he got a bunch of our carpet pythons. So, yeah, it's one of those things of like, you know, yeah, it's going to be awesome to pick their brains about the Bloods and the Borneos, but also, you know, they're Morelia heads, too. So it's not like we're taking people who have no idea what the hell we're talking about throwing them out there. Oh, no, these guys are super, yeah, these guys are on point. And if you doubt what we're saying, go over and check out their Facebook page, because I wanted to throw this out there, that Matt sent us a picture the other day of these granite marble Borneos. That, those things, yeah. That even made your head turn. Oh, it was like, I think I think my thing was like, that is freaking awesome. What the hell am I looking at? It was one of those vicious, bad shit crazy. Can someone please explain to me what the hell it is? And it's the fact that you can have those animals where, of course, I'm not, I'm nowhere near an expert, you know, I still get yelled at for mixing up localities and things with the Borneos and the Bloods. So it's one of those things where they can surprise me. It is really cool to see this brand new thing. And I know you're involved in it. I know Matt, of course, has all that stuff. So it's cool. It's like a different perspective. It's like, when I talk to Andrew about his monitors, I can appreciate him and they're awesome for what they are, and they're different. So, yeah, mine, you know, mine, mine get jerked. I don't know what I did. But it's Mike's broken. You talk mean about it, just like the grad. I do. It's like, it's like the iJ. Yeah, you know, it's not bad. That's really a negative spot. Anyway, if you're, if you're, if you want to know what we're talking about, you should go check out his, his Facebook page, "Julie Herp, " because you got to see these things. They're just crazy. Did Matt slip you a 20 to, like, talk about his page like as many times as possible during the show today? No, no, he did it. I don't believe you. You got to see these plexons, man. I can't tell you how crazy looking these things are. But anyway, I'm going to tell you my story and then through the, yeah, I've been making an own way for 40, 40 minutes. I know it's really annoying. I've been trying that. I didn't know if I'd tell you before we started. I started it and then you stopped and it's insane. Yeah. So, okay. So yesterday was feeding day. And I kind of feed in segments, like what I do is I feed, I have my room divided into, like, four walls, right? And the fourth section. And what I do is I'll clean the one section and I'll feed the next section. So then the following day, I'll clean in the section that I just fed. And, you know, that's how I go around the room. That way, on the hands-on in the room, in the room probably, you know, every day. And it just, I don't know, it just gives me a better feel for the animal. But anyway, so I'm in there and I have my alpino jag and my examic coastal girl. Together still, I don't know why. I just kind of left them together. Sometimes I just co-have some, some of them, sometimes I don't. I had them breed it and I just never separated them anyway. So the alpino jag, who, the poor, poor, poor guy, has got to be the most jagged, hearted snake I've had in my life. But I decided to pull him out and I put him in, like, I put him in a separate tub and I was going to feed him. Well, he didn't feed and she did feed. So I was cleaning itself that he was, like, in that thing. So I decided, I guess I'll put him back together, I don't know, sure that I shouldn't. And I went back and forth and I said, you know, like, that was telling me that this is probably not a good idea. And I don't know why I didn't stick with my gut. But I opened up the tub and I, the examic girl, she's thinking she's eating. Typically what I do is I have my snakes that are hooked, trained, so then I tap them with the hook, seeing responses, you know, soft and life is good. And I usually add that snake, you know, and everything's fine. You know, I did that all through breeding season because when you're not feeding super heavy, I think sometimes they get, they can be a little bit food-a-grat. They open up the tub, they say, oh, it's on me, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, the hook, and they don't. Anyway, I don't want to put the albino jagged in. And it was like, it had to be slow motion, like, slow, slow motion, ever. I have it on one hook and I just see the examic just, like, she coils back and I just go, no! No, no. And boom, it nails the albino jagged. Oh, no. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding, you know, and my poor wife is in the other room. She's like, what's wrong? I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She's like, is that snake eating that other snake? Oh, my God. I'm gonna get out of the way. So, I run to the bathtub with the snake and now the examic is, like, full on, like, in constrictor mode because usually when I feed it dead, it's dead, so it doesn't have to kill it. This thing is alive. This thing is watching right now. I'm like, oh, you're fine. Okay. Oh, don't forget to fight for your life, damnit. Yeah. Oh, he was just, he cashed out, man. He was like, oh, I'm not fighting this. He's like, well, this is epic. I can't see that I go. And I'm like, God damn it. I said, I can't believe I did that. How could I be so stupid? You know, so I take a take a bathtub and this trick works. It worked. This happened to me before and you think I would learn my lesson but it was with younger ones. Part of the things that happen when you co-habitate animals. Now, you could go years without having an issue, but it's that one time that's the problem. Anyway, take it to the bathtub. Put them in the bathtub and I just turn the shower head on like full blood. Cold water. And I'm just spraying them. And that girl is not letting go. And I'm like, son of a bitch, now I'm going to drown the poor jag because I'm like, you know, I'm like, you can't clean it with water. Uh, yeah. So, um, well, I guess as long as it's closed, so it wouldn't matter. Anyway, I'm squirting, I'm squirting, I'm squirting, and then just poop. Just let go. And that quick, you know, whatever. So I separated the two around the girl in. Of course she nailed me. And I was like, what is wrong with you? Wow! I like fur. So now it went from, so now that things wrapped around me and I got the albino jag in the bathtub and it's going full on jag tart. And you just hear like, you know, shit flying all over. Shampoo's falling over. Everything is, uh, good mess. I got it off me. Get her in the tub. I go look at him. Um, he seemed to be actually quite fine. He was shedding. He was in shed. Oh, no. That's sweet. And some of the like, the shed, not his skin, but the shed, the shed, like, actually kind of, like, came off. But, uh, he was fine. Wow. You know, I just put him in the, uh, I put him in this, in this separate tub. I put some, uh, like, some Neosporin on, uh, on this, on this, on this bite mark. Yeah. That was it. Man. And then I'm thinking, God damn it. What would I do if this was like a scrub bite on? [laughter] Oh my gosh. Do you remember it's got to be a year ago, uh, with a black, white lipstick, the same thing to make? Yes, I do. Do you remember you telling me that? That was like three in the morning because their cages were in my bedroom. And they went, and they, and they'd been cohabitating for about a week. And they had been sharing the hide box, they'd been doing whatever. And I guess at three in the morning, they just decided that now we're going to fight to the death. And, you know, she had him, he had her, coils were around both, and I had to get to their heads and pull them off. Well, the female bit down on my wrist and started wrapping up my arm. And I'm like, screw it, do whatever. Fine. Go ahead. Go ahead. Just bite and wrap me. That's fine. Just leave him alone. And it's like pulling two of them apart is, was just so damn difficult getting them off each other. And then having to deal with the aftermath was him having a split on his head. Her having her eye messed up for a while. And it took both of them a few sheds, and I actually had to use some crazy glue on the mail to seal up the slash down his back. I just kind of crazy glued him shut. And then it took a couple sheds for them to actually be good again. And then I made the same dumb mistake this year because I was feeding some animals. And I opened up the breadle that I had the tree of breadles. I opened up what I thought was the lone female breadle to give her like a small rat. And it was accidentally the pair of breadles. And I just shoved the rat in between them and then the two of them just left at each other. And it was like great. And trying to get a breadle off is insanely worse because like you can dump them in a bucket of cold water forever, and they really don't give a shit. So it took a little bit to get them separated. And I had to, you know, throw some Neosporin on my breadle mail. But I don't think that pair bred this year because of the, you know, attempted assaulting. So, yeah, speaking of white lips, you have, what do you have as far as white lips go? Baby Golds. That's it. That's it. That's it for right now. Working on securing a new pair of baby blacks. Okay. So, yep. Yep. Yep. That's cool. Yeah, for some reason I thought I was looking around as I snooping around the Python world and I was trying to find out who was breeding them this year. And I don't really see anybody breeding them. There are the normal people who might have a pair. And those are the people who might have pairs every year. And that'd be Tom Jogin, Ryan Young, it all depends on what their girls do. A lot of guys who breed the white lips don't really ever advertise because it's such a crapshoot. I mean, I just always think it is never certain. So, I know Steve Phillips has a gold pair because that's actually where my golds are from. But as far as anybody else, I know Chad Gray has some blacks. So, he might produce them too. So, they're out there. It's just a lot of them don't advertise until there is like eggs on the ground. There's really no point in advertising because like with my guys, we can go from everybody's happy to death in like five minutes. So... Now, typically I know this, but I'm just, I'm drawing a blank. The white lips are broken down into a few substitutions. Six golds, blacks, and a couple others. Well, there's golds, blacks, and then there's also different variations between the golds and the blacks. Because now there's the Horace, which is black, and then I think there's Tamika, which is a different version of the black. They're kind of more of like a grayish black, but it's really hard to tell the Tamika's from the normal blacks right up the bat. So, a lot of animals right now are being thrown around as Tamika's, and I don't really know if that's true or not. It's kind of weird because I'd never even really heard of the Tamika's until recently and now they're everywhere. So... And then the Alberts are the golds? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Well, the problem is that with white lips, they've gone through so many main changes, it's ridiculous. So, it's really hard to figure out where the hell you are. Okay. Yeah, they're about to chill us now, but a lot of people refer to them as the Alberts white lip pythons or the Alberts water pythons or the Alberts pythons. I prefer, personally, is the scientific name is the Throckis, and I call them the Alberts white lips. And it's northern, which is the golden, southern, which is the black. And then that's it there. Then there are the different variations. Like there's the red one, which is the Bennett. They're not even here in the States. But they're on the really small area, and there's not a lot of people who even go out there to retrieve them. But of course, you hear the rumors that they're coming, that they're here, that they're there. And it's almost like if the Tamika would just show up like this, there's still kind of hope that the Bennett's wood show up at some point. But they're the red ones. So, right. Yeah. But the problem is that a lot of these subspecies of white lip have been described from journals or specimen jars. So, like, there's not really too many, like, people who've gone out into the bush and found a living one to describe it. So, yeah. So that actually, it's actually not alive at the moment. It all could be, but it's not for sure. Exactly. So, some of these different variations, like this one that has, I forget the type, but it's like almost bluish gray, and it has a really sharp pointed head. But you don't know if that's from being aged in a jar forever many years, or blah, blah, blah, blah. And some people say that's a completely different subspecies yet. No one's seen one alive. So, you know, what it is. Right. You get millions of dollars and go out and research them and then build myself. I'm going to have to go with what's going on here. Yep. Okay. I'm glad I got the lesson. Quick low down on white lips. Yeah, don't worry. I'll let you play with mine when we get here. Yeah. The boy is a tiny little murdering alien, but the girl's cool. Nice. Yeah. So, let's see, what else do we have? I don't know. I think I sent this to you today, but Ollie hatched out some cool stuff. Yeah. The super caramel granite jank, which is not something new, but it's... He's a good representation, Ollie. Yes. I think he produced it last year. Yeah. I think he's also hit on, again, some super nebraganics, which are pretty cool. Mm-hmm. Some could be jagged, but you never tell unless it's wobbles, I guess, if it's jagged or not. The... I'm going to believe this is his last year reading according to him. Yeah. I think he's out of the gig. Yeah. I wonder how that... You know what I mean? What leads you to that to say... I don't know. I don't know. I imagine that there's a lot of things that can weigh down. And, of course, every person, I believe, has that point where they're just going to break or be upset enough to threaten to break. Whether or not you follow through with it is really kind of depending on how you feel about the animals and how much you're willing to put forward. I imagine someone who does this full-time, as Ollie does, there could have been some more opportunities that came up that could have pulled him in a different direction. There could have been a reason, a personal reason that he decided to go. There could have been stress reasons that he decided to go. He could have just decided that, you know what? I'm just going to bow out because things are getting too stressful, too weird, to whatever, or maybe he's the kind of guy that goes, "Well, carbon-plate diamonds has gone as far as I can go with them. It's time to move on to something else." I mean, who knows? Yeah, but I can never, like, "Dude, I'm going to be doing this till I'm dead." I mean, I'm going to have a python. I'm going to do this till I'm dead. You're going to be the one who has to cancel the show because I'm not going to do it. Every once in a while, I get that idea in my head, not canceling the show, but to saying, "What would happen if we just didn't do this anymore?" Like, "Can somebody else come along and do another one?" Well, I mean, eventually, eventually there will be a passing of the torch because we're both senile on here going back for, like, for half an hour. No one's going to want to listen to that shit. But, you know, it's just one of those things where, yeah, I think, eventually, someone would come forward and step in the shoes just like how you say, you know, if Nick were to retire, like, tomorrow. And you know there's going to be, like, a 48-hour thing where people can be like, "Oh, my God, Nick's gone. Clearly, this is the end of a carpet python. You know someone is going to step up and fill up the gap that was left. They may not do it the right way. And the first person that steps up might not even be the one who's successful. But someone will step forward to fill in the gap. And it may take several years and it may take different things, but, you know, things we want, things move forward. Well, there was, I think, the one thing that's going to keep me fresh, I've kind of really come to the realization. It's hard for me and you to talk about this. Because what we say this year could be different next year. So, I mean, things change. But I was watching, I don't know if you were able to watch Herpers. They do, like, a video. I think it's, like, once a month maybe. But there were the guys that did the Herpers, the 3 DVD movies. Oh, yeah, I've never seen them, but I've heard good things. Well, they do like a, you know, like, kind of like snakebites, TV type of thing. Yeah. And they did this gentleman in Australia. I'm trying to look at this thing, too. So, I can give them. Anyway, this guy, his name is, of course it takes forever to pop up. Camo's Australian reptilian wonderland. Okay. So, this guy, his name is, he doesn't say anything. This is Camo's record. He has, like, a lot of, like, naturalistic setups and stuff. So cool that, like, what he has is, like, he shows, like, he wanted a coffee table in his room, but, like, the coffee table is, like, a cage that goes down into, like, the bottom, I guess it's, like, in his basement, maybe. But, like, the coffee table is, like, the top of the cage. So, like, you know, he'll just be sitting there watching the TV. And next thing you know, some lizards come up. It's just, at the top. He's hanging out in that part of the cage that uses the coffee table. That is cool. Yeah. It's pretty neat. Then he has this, uh, he has this dining room table where he has, like, these cages that are, that are inside the table. Like, it's, like, the top of the table is the top of the cage. And, like, he has these, uh, get-go's in there. And it's all heated and everything, and then he has, like, cages in the, in the walls in his pool room, and it's crazy what this guy did. But, it just goes to, like, I was thinking about this, and I'm like, if you had, I think what has sparked this bug also is the fact that, you know, we're looking for a house. So, like, in every time we're looking for a house, I look at the basement, and she, you know, life is looking at, you know, yard or whatever. Uh, how many bedrooms does it have? I'm like, screw all that. You know, living places. Yeah. What's the basement look like? What's the basement look like? I don't care where we're going to sleep. You know what I mean? Where's the look that was? So, like, I have this vision of one day having, like, this, this place where I would have, you know, like, really nice display cage. It doesn't necessarily have to be naturalistic, but just, like, really, really nice-looking display cages, um, and having just the pythons. There's, like, species of pythons in there. You know, I think of, like, a walnut with a nice desert habitat type of thing, and, like, a nice background on a cage, and all, you know, like a chondro in a, in a nice, you know, like, kind of like what you were doing in your cage in the living room. But, like, having them all throughout the, you know, your one spot, you know, and then, obviously, for breeding purposes, you know, like, my setup would be different. So, it would almost be, like, there would be two different rooms, almost, like, a showroom type of thing. Right, and then your breeding room, yeah. Then my breeding room, you know, and, uh, I don't know. I think it would just be, I think that would be really cool. And I think that's the type of thing I can just imagine going in there. Like, I think when I had my old house, uh, previous life, about when I first got back into reptiles, that's kind of the setup that I had. I think we'd go in there at night, and, like, there was, like, blue lights on, and had, like, rainforest shelves in the background. It's just cool. There's just chillin' there, and then you just watch to see what happens, you know, snakes come out, they move, and, you know, it's just kind of cool. I think those kind of things would keep you excited about what you're doing, rather than just, you know, snake in a box, particularly, even though that snake in a box. Yeah, well, in my opinion, you have to keep things interesting, or you will get bored, and you will get tired, and you will be complacent. I mean, you know, every person out there who does reptiles at one point started with one or two, that they cared extremely about, even the guys you would call scummy nowadays. So it's like, if you don't have small prizes, if you don't have something to keep your interest, you're gonna lose it, and the second you lose it, the second it turns bad, the second it becomes something stressful, the second you don't want to deal with it anymore. Right. So, I mean, partially building that tank was annoying as piss. I mean, there were several times where people were like, I have this display that's big and intact right now. Even you were like, you know, dude, I got a tank that's like the size of this wall here, and I'm like, no. Right. As much as I would want that, I've already decided that I'm gonna do this thing, so this one has to be completed. The principle of a freaking matter. So, there's just that thing. And it will be something interesting, and it's always been something I kind of wanted, and I never thought that it would be for the diamond pythons, but it just kind of clicks so well with having them in there. If you remember, I reasoned one of the condros in there, but I wouldn't feel right having the condros there, especially with the door opening and closing and draft here and winter and stuff like that. But the diamond pythons, you know, animals who actively don't really even like the heat, and I'd be perfectly fine with putting them up there, and I'm actually really excited to get them big enough to be in there. So, it's just something that's really cool, and I'm really gonna enjoy it. And of course, everybody I know, family-wise, it was not into the snake, so you're gonna have two large pythons on display in your living room. And I'm like, yes. And that's what I get to kind of look that sideways. So... Yeah, so, I don't know. Sorry, I'm getting this message here. I got distracted for a second. I think that, well, we have a collar. Oh, goodness. Erica 347, do you have a question, comment? Hello? Hello. Eric? Oh, and? Yes. It's Chris. Yo, what's up? No, I just came in to bust Owen's balls for a bet. I had some time to kill him. Isn't that normal? I just wanted to tell Owen that if he wanted to, you know, bid on that voucher that I put up for me, I may be having some proven breeder IJ's to sell. Come on. And I would respond with Chris. No, thank you. Because I'm sending my IJ's to two other friends of mine to breed them for me, so I should have many IJ's myself in 2016 season, but thank you. Oh, yeah, I figured I'd throw it out there for you. Thank you. This is Chris. So, let me. There you go, man. All right. Come on. How's the house thing? You know what I forgot to say? I forgot to say. Look, my Tiger zebra jag clutches action out. You forgot to say that. Yeah, I forgot that. Oh, yeah. Those things are just so normal to me. That's all Eric's care. So, he's on anything special to Eric, so he doesn't think about it. Exactly. Oh, God. There are four genes or more for him to care. Oh, that's not true. That's a long end now. Yep. Now it's fun there. That's all right. Keep it coming. I like it. It's cyclical. It has to go around the corner. So, you know, it'll calm down in a minute. Yeah. But, yeah, they're hatching out. So, I've got a voucher over there. If you're interested in that kind of thing. If I end, it's more your style. I'll have to see what's out there. Nice. So, how'd your season go? All right, I have that maternal incubated clutch that you talked me into doing. I'm on day 70 right now. They didn't catch it? Nope. Day 70. Oh, man. What is a remix? Eric, do you? So, if that clutch goes downhill, I completely reblame Eric. Yeah, yeah. It makes total sense. Are they dimpled in or what? Oh, yeah. They're pretty much flat at this point. I think they're still going to hatch. They still look good. Okay. But, yeah. Day 70. Every day I go in there and I think I'm going to see heads. Ready. Every day nothing. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. The female is actually opaque right now on the egg. Oh, she's going to shoot again. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. I was worried until I saw someone else post recently that they had a MI clutch pip on day 71. So, I'm not too worried. Okay. I'd be freaking out. I'm just saying, you know. Day 71. How warm is your room? I don't keep my temperature constant, so I still have a day night cycle going. So, the daytime temps get to be probably about 88, 89. And you've got the eggs right under the heat pedal. And then at night the temperature dips down into the mid 70s. The fries that it's taken a little bit longer. Wow. That makes sense. See all the information before we freak out next time. Yeah. Yeah. So, at this rate, I'll be hatching out yearlings. There you go. It'll be like baby retics. Should we get together? Yeah. It'll be like baby retics. Large adult mice, right? Yeah. It'll be great. Yup. It'll be like 55 grams. Put them on a scale. You'll sound like BP. Yeah. I'll be interested if they hatch out much bigger than what I've hatched out in the past. They're an artificial. I've found that they did a little bit. The experiences that I've been having as of late is kind of like this past season. They're all around pretty much I get from 22 to 26 grams. Probably the highest in the collapse is 26, which is probably one. Most of them average about 24. And then you get like a couple that are maybe 22. That's kind of where my weight's average. I don't know what you guys, I don't even know if you guys even worry about that. I normally don't, but I did this past year for sending that data to Nick. Yeah. And I actually had a twin in the one clutch and they've painted it like 18 because I guess because they were twins and they were way tinier than everybody else. But yeah, in the 20s is pretty much like where I was at and where you'd expect to be at. My granite jet clutch that just hatched out, I don't, everything was pretty small. I want to say everything range from like 16 grams up to 21 at the most. This was, this was probably one of the smaller clutches I've ever hatched out. Wow. 15 grams, that's small. Yeah. The smallest I've had with I want to say nine grams. Whoa. That's a concept. Are we able to get it going? Yeah. On a mouse pinkies. Wow. Okay. Wow. That's small. That's like almost contra territory. Wow. That's pretty wow. Yeah. I don't know. This clutch is kind of weird. There's some eggs in this clutch that hatched out. Well, three of them have picked. But there's like some other eggs in there that I don't know if they know they're not good. Let me ask you this question. When you go to, what is your guys experience when you go to like cut the eggs? If they're hard, I'm going to say it's no good, right? That would be my guess. Never cut eggs. Solid is like. What is it? I mean, it feels like solid. Like there's something hard inside. Yeah. Like typically you know how like you can go and you can pinch the eggs. And move around a little bit. Yeah. And you can pit. Yeah. And you get enough that you can pinch that you can cut that little nip. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Okay. Yeah. And this one egg is like you can't do that. I would humidity. I would say that's probably bad. I would say something maybe like the yolk went hard or something like that, which might not mean that the baby is dead. It might just mean that you have a really tiny guy in there who doesn't have any yolk in there. I mean, but normally if it's gotten hard, I would normally say the baby died and the yolk hard. And the yolk hardened around him. So that would be where my guess is at. But I would not be sure of where you're going. But. Right. Hmm. Interesting. Nonetheless. Yeah. You don't cut eggs. No. Oh, I've never had to. Everything's on. Everything usually pips on its own. Okay. So stuff that didn't pimp, it was the eggs are clearly bad. And I didn't even bother. They were green and fuzzy and pretty nasty. Yeah. I had that one experience this year where I cut the eggs. And when I cut it, the snake came out of the egg because I think I thought that that's from the last year. That it came out of the egg because typically they'll go back into the egg and kind of hot. This one came out of the egg and it still had yolk to absorb. So then I died. I shouldn't have had that experience. So I kind of wonder whether or not I should cut or not cut. I don't really know why I do cut other than just, that's what I was kind of told to do. Yeah. I cut. I just don't really cut. I know that I mean, we've all seen the videos of people who have re-kick breeders with their babies. So we're like, "I'm going to cut this." And then it looks like they put a chainsaw out of the top of it and it's like the whole, like the egg is gone. And the baby's like, "What the hell?" So it's like, you've seen that. I never go to that extreme. I'll usually make, and I know some people who, the first, the second the baby's nose is exposed, they're slicing eggs like half way open. I mean, I'll make a nice little, just a, a snip with a triangle. You said you pinch the egg and then cut it with a pair of scissors, just so there's a tiny little triangle. And then I don't even, I don't even pierce the sack of the baby's in. And I normally do that after I see about two or three babies tipping on their own. Once I do that, and I'll just leave them alone. I won't go any further for like a day or two. Usually the next day, nobody's out of the egg, but everybody's head is now visible through the slices, through the slits, through some I've even had where I've cut the little window and they've taken their egg through and cut their own slit, like over here in a different part of the egg. I don't know why, but whatever. That's usually a bet. And then usually the following day is when you start getting babies out of eggs and start doing that thing where I come downstairs and I see them all like stuck back into the egg. So it takes a few days, but I think I see the issues as if you rush it or push the baby out. I've had babies come out of the eggs who've had like umbilicus as well as yolk still attached. And you kind of got to let them sit out for a few days and they almost always tear it off themselves. And then you have to be able to baby that doesn't really have any yolk in his belly. And I can believe you the bad places. So, you know, and I've had babies who fully emerge from the egg go back in the egg and drown. So it's, you know, they do dump in sometimes. I guess the thing you have to remember is you're dealing with living things at some time. Yeah. That kind of shit happens. Yep. And remember, some of them were not meant to live, so why there's a bunch of them. So that's my reasoning for not cutting stuff. So it's not going to come out if there's a reason. Yeah. If it's not strong enough to do it, then I don't really want it out. So I guess you're dead. I've had the one clutch. I was actually just in Columbus when the clutch was hatching. And the other thing that I didn't know about was this one baby, and this one baby, when I left, wouldn't come out. And I saw the top of his head and he was coiled up sitting like a chondro. And I'm like, all right, I'll leave him. So I went away for a few days and my girlfriend at the time was checking on the baby. Some pulling out, whatever was out of the egg and putting on the bin. But this one baby would not come out. And she was like, do I pull him out of the egg? I'm like, no, no, no. I'll leave him. I'll get him when I get home. I'll get him when I get home. So I pulled him out of his egg open. I got home. I'm like, all right, time for you to come out. I pulled him out of the egg. His spine was so deformed, there was no part of him that was straight. And he had no upper jaw from the eyes forward. And I didn't see him because he was sitting and he was all coiled up and he had the one coil over his face. So he couldn't see him. He was like, you pip it and you're like, baby, and I poked him and he moved. He's clearly fine. But he would have, he would have, he would have, he would have should have could have died in that egg. But the only reason even, I even knew there was an issue is because I caught him. But he died shortly after coming out of the egg because you really can't live with half a face. So, you know. Yeah, it's a little freaky. Yeah. Blackhead food. Blackhead food. I don't have any blackheads. I know, I do. Not bullet, then you do. Now with your blackhead, you look at other animals and try to be like watching you. So, if you get out of line, you get out of line. All right. Okay. So that's fine. You don't want to eat this time. That's okay. I'm just telling you right now. He's right over there. So, yeah. I don't know. You know, that way that doesn't go to waste. And now some people feed it to lizards. I feed it to blackheads. Dude, I told you that Andrew tried to feed one of my jags. Well, my baby jags who had expired to his black throat monitors. And he put it down. And the black throat monitors like stared at it. And they're like, "We don't want this." And they just kind of like, "So, there's these big, hulking huge lizards around this little dead baby jag." And like, you moved it on the tongs and they like ran away from it. And it's like, "Really, guys? You guys are like Godzilla's and you're afraid of this whole thing." And they wouldn't eat it, so. So, yeah. But, I don't know. I guess sometimes they make it sometimes they don't. It just seems that it's always the ones that are the ones that you wanted to make it the most. They're prettiest. It's always the prettiest ones. And those are always the ones that don't eat too. Yup. I was about to say that. Yeah. They're the ones that don't make it any egg or don't eat. I think if you stay with, if you have patience, eventually they come around or they die. Yes. Or death. Yeah. I've kind of gotten to that in my head, too. I actually have a Gretel female, a baby, Gretel from last year, who wouldn't eat anything but live. And she's just starting to take frozen blood. She's probably been on frozen blood now for about two months. So, it's like finally thank God. And she's starting to put like size on her to like to catch up with her, you know, siblings who are on frozen blood, like almost adult mice now. So, you know, patience. Lots of patience. Yeah. It makes a huge difference. Oh, man. So, um... He's not coming to Carpetfest. What? What? What is this? Wait a minute, Kris. Kris, you're not coming to Carpetfest? Me? I quit. Yeah, you. No, I'm not. Oh! I thought I told you that. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, I will not be attending. Eric, Eric's heart is broken right now. Oh, my goodness. I have to put the mic down. I'm sure you'll be on the way. By the time, by the time the night's over, you won't even notice I wasn't there. That is true. You're only just saying you were there and you probably won't know. Yeah, I would say, yeah, I'd talk to you, Kris, remember? Yeah, he was right there. We stopped for a while. I do plan on attending Tiddly in October. Oh, all right. Yeah, I will make the trip to that. Okay. I should. You're more high-end. We're not good enough. Well, we're still... Oh, Winter House is so low-end, it's ridiculous. So... That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I thought you were coming. I don't know. We can talk about Tigers with. What the hell, man? Yeah. I told you, take a trip here and we could talk about them all you want. I have to talk about them, too. That's going to happen this week. I got this new book. It's called Spell of the Tiger. And I didn't even read the bottom. It says, "The man eaters of the thunderbonds." I shouldn't have been to Chris. I was like, "Oh, check out the book I got." And it's like, "Oh, I like the man eaters of the thunderbonds." So like, "I didn't even catch that." It's pretty cool. Poor guys, man. That's like a whole new world. The Tigers put you on the... You're on the menu in that one area in the world. And they just talk about how these guys have to go and collect honey. And they're sort of making... They're not making? Yeah. They wear like masks on the back of their heads and stuff. I've heard that. Yeah. These Tigers just come up to their boats and just like grab people right off the boat. Just bring them up to the shore and that's it. Curtin's pop. Aren't you glad, Eric, that we live in a place where you are not you just part of the food chain? I mean, you'd be dead eight times over. I mean, obviously. Well, I don't know, after that, you know, some of those birds of prey you got flying around in that area. Eric may still be on the menu. That is sick. We have to walk to make sure Eric doesn't get picked up by a hawk. That's what your car business is. Oh, no. You know, as far as steak goes, I'm very well marbled, so I have to know. I would be delicious. All right. Everybody needs to just stop. I have very good marbling. Now that this show has been completely thrown off track, I'm going to let you guys go. It's over now. Yeah, we're done. We're good. Yeah, we're good. Very good. All right, Chris. Thanks a lot, Chris. All right, I will talk to you on Facebook, but I will not be attending carpet sets, but I will see you with Chinley. All right. Sounds good to us. All right. Talk to you guys later. Bye. Bye. If you're a carbon breeder on the east coast and you're not coming to carpet, you'll Eric and I drink when we get to that Chinley. That's correct. So, so. Throw that out for right now. Yeah. Sounds good to me. Yeah. Great. Speaking of drinks, what we have that I'm bringing to carpet sets is some handcrafted beer from a friend of mine, which is some carpet-fed beer. Carpet-fed beer. Yeah. And we also have crafted by my father a concoction that he calls apple pie. Which is apple pie wood? It is kind of like a, what did you call it, own homemade hooch. I don't know. This is what I can tell you though. It's very shine. This is animation jar make you go blind shit is what we're dealing with here. But here's what it is where it gets you the one to sucker punch. Is that case sweet? The way it's not harsh? Yeah. But this shit knocks you on your ass. All of a sudden you can't move. Yeah. That's mine. Are you kidding me? I'm going to sit down with that. That is going to be so good. Yeah. So I have two jars of that. And they were made, what did I say the date was, December 18th, 2014. Yeah. So these have been sitting collectage to perfection. Alcoholic goodness for many a month. So unfortunately Chris will not be able to partake. Nope, he can't have any karma fest moonshine. Those of you attending, we will gladly save you some moonshine in there. I have bussing fish. Shock glasses. Don't worry about it. I have some. I also have for the NPR, you know, close-knit family, some Cuban cigars. All right. Well, I'm done. I'm good. I hope you know that behind the bar. So at my bar, there is a mini fridge that is behind the bar. Yes. And on top of the mini fridge is a wine killer, which I don't drink wine. So there's really nothing in it. But inside the mini fridge is enough room for, you know, probably a case of bottle, long necks, as well as half a case of cans and a little drawer. But it also has an attached freezer to the mini fridge. Now in the freezer, it's just a bunch of ice. But also there is my frosted Morelia Pyac on radio, like mug it. So it is like in there and it is like waiting. So it will be mine and it will be, you know, I'll bust that out probably at some point, because I use that cup so freaking much it's ridiculous. It's like a big hefty. For people who don't know, I think it was like my birthday Eric got me a frosted mug that has the Morelia Pyac on radio logo on it. And it is a big, it is a hefty mug. It is like, you know, it's a nice, sturdy mug. And of course you use it for like, you know, what you normally use a frosted glass for. I'm a spoiled shirt, so I use it for like everything. So it's like water soda. It's like water I'm drinking. If it's clean and it's been in the freezer for a few days, I'm like, you know what, frosted mug time. So yeah, I'm going to treat my stuff. There you go. That's awesome. Yeah, so that's cool. So we should have some of this. I think real quick, before we jump off, we'll just go through the vouchers. And then next week we're going to have the post-Carpetfest show. And we're going to have, I know Matt's going to come and chat with us. I think Zach's going to chat with us too. I'm not sure if he's locked in. We're also going to ask Scott if he was going to come on. So we just talked about Carpetfest. I'm not sure that we could probably ask a few people who attended Carpetfest if they're going to call and if there's something fun. You know, the phone lines are always open. So if you're listening and you attended Carpetfest and you want to call for this, something definitely call in. You know, it's one of those things that my father's excited. Yeah, I can't wait to talk to Jim from Morgantown. But although I don't know what to call him because I don't know if he's from Morgantown. Since he spends time-- He's still always from Morgantown, all right? Okay. So, yeah. I didn't know if he changed to Jim from-- Jim from Versbro? Nah, I didn't know if he would do it. Oh. He doesn't have the same effect. Yeah. Let's say, okay, Northeast Carpetfest. Pulling it up as we speak. And I'm going to look at the pin post. And basically, what we have is the Carpetfest auction is live. It's up yesterday. It's going to end Friday night at 11 p.m. You can go on and you can bid on items. And we'll go through those items. And if nobody gets higher, then the item is yours. But the people that actually attend Carpetfest has a last shot at securing the-- At beating out your bid. And I mean, they have-- what we're going to do is basically-- What we're doing is the first couple of times we did the Carpetfest auction, we didn't have any starting bids. So, everything was going for insanely cheap where nobody wanted to bid on it. So, what we've done is we've expanded it. And basically, the internet is now the starting bid. So, if you bid $200 for, say, shads, the tattoo day with shad quall, when it comes up at the auction, I'll say the bid starts at $210. And if somebody wants to bid $210, now the bidding is live at Carpetfest. If nobody wants to bid, whoever put that bid, that high bid up online will now win. So, it's kind of our way of getting stuff out there. Right. So, first up is myself, I put a $500 voucher on any available animal. If you are interested in something that I have going on, you can click on-- I should start by saying that this is over on the Northeast Carpetfest page. That's why you can link to this. You have to be a member, so we have to prove you and put you through. So, on that link, I have my breeding diary from 2015. You can click on it to see if there's something that you like, but it's a $500 voucher. And I should say that all of the money that we raise is going to go to USR. Number two, Owen has a lovely animal that he has put up here. Oh, that's that call with that crazy black-- I hate how you describe my animal. It's one of some-- well, you've got some lovely animals, it's like-- Hey, Owen, why am I supposed to say these? I don't know. It's like the same enthusiasm you put forward with your own. It's like, they're just going to be awesome. Oh, and he has some lovely ones too. It's like, aww. I'm sorry. Let me back up. These broke reptile animals can fly. God damn right. Quality animals that you may want to check out. You can fly the broke flag proudly that you have a real reptile animal in your collection. It's definitely something that-- Good job. In any python collection, shoot me a song. And I should say-- All right. All right. I like quite well how-- I don't know if Zach did this on purpose. But if you look at our two logos, so like if we ever have the logo together, like we're the opposite. So I'm like black and white. Which we will actually add to the next. Really? Yeah. Yeah, did he do that on purpose? I don't know, because guess what? Guess what folks? I'm jumping ahead. I'm jumping ahead, but on the number six, if you need some logo design, this is Zach's buy-as. We'll hook you up. Something like this is valued at like 350 bucks. That's either some awesome work. You can see I put a picture up with some of the stuff that he has done. If you click on the link there, you can see more stuff that he has done. He's responsible for the cartridge. That's logo. Cardifest logo. Your logo. His logo. My logo. It comes to this kind of stuff. So if you are looking for, you know, whether it be a banner, or a logo, or Facebook avatar, anything like that, you know, I don't disguise the women I want to get through, but basically we'll do a design for you with pretty awesome. That can get pretty pricey, man. So that's not a big thing to have. Honestly, God, it's like, you know, a logo like his and designing it and getting it ready for you to use is like 300 something dollars, and that's probably closer to the cheap end. There are some people in some companies that can have big price tags, so this is a big thing. And if you're just getting started, and you want to have a really successful reptile breeding business, the logo says a lot. And it's something you should look at, you know, and it will stand out. And to be honest, I probably should have redone the Rogue logo years ago. Yeah. I like what he did. It's very cool. Yeah. Very cool. Um, next up are good, a good friend Matt Minitola from, uh, Silly Herb. He has two items on the, uh, on the block here. He's got number three, which is a, uh, 2020, 20, 20 PM herc cage. Um, perfect. Perfect. For contours. Yes. It's got LEDs as a moveable purchase, which is, uh, if you're a contour person, moveable purchase is probably the most genius thing you could do. Save the date. Yeah. Uh, but I'd estimate a value about a hundred and fifteen bucks. Uh, so definitely something that if you are in the market for something like that, I can't go wrong. It's already set up for you. You don't have to do nothing. You just put a snake. Plug it in. Put the animal inside. Yeah. Done. So what has caught my eye more, um, is the next one, which is number four, which is a genetic stripe toss head ocelot borneo. Um, and the ocelot gene is one of those kind of tricky genes, which is kind of like how borneo seems to work, which makes them very cool in that way, I think, that you don't know what's going to pop out, but Matt's thrown up some, some of the variations, uh, from the siblings from the same clutch. And you can see how different that they all are. Um, but you know, if you, if you breed this to something else, you're going to get kind of crazy stuff. Um, but I love the linky pattern on the back and the size. That's just a cool look at the thing. If it was female, uh, it would be done. But, uh, it would be mine. $450, um, uh, you could, you could get it for a steal. Um, that's an off map. Uh, let's see. Number five is, uh, Howard Redding. Redding reptile breeders. He donated a female red line coastal carpet. Oops. Yeah, I gotta take a picture of that. But, oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll do that. I'll do that once we get here. Okay. Uh, number six. We talked about that. Zach's logo design. Number seven. Number seven. Our good friend, Mr. Buddy Busetti. G-P-P keeper. Uh, he has a 2014 unsex chondro. And I believe he put the link up there. Uh, maybe he didn't. Uh, let's see. The bid is. Oh. Ooh. Two seventy-five. Uh-huh. Which, which, I don't know why Amanda can be a carpet. So, it's like, all right. I'm not gonna knock her for her, but I'm gonna be here. Yeah. I love it. If you know Amanda, you know that she really likes chondros. So, she probably doesn't care that she's gonna be a carpet. She's gonna make sure she's got a bid going right now. So... There's some items that you definitely want to make sure you lock down. Oh, yeah. I can tell you. I can tell you this story. Uh, the very first carpet says, "Buddy put a chondro up on the auction." And I got it. You're a... That... That... That carpet says we did the auction outside and you were modelin' all the other people. Yeah. That... That turned out to be Zach's now. Uh, he has her... I don't know. Biox, Chiquita, and oh, good lord. Does that make nice? Oh. So, luckily, I sold this while I traded it to him. But that, when he has offspring, I can buy some back, I guess. But, uh, it's, uh, it's a beautiful animal. Buddy's stuff is top notch. Uh, we'll put the link the way. I guess we didn't put the link there. Yeah. But we'll put the link over just so you can see the parents. Yeah, I have, uh, I have my one, my baby chondro here. And she's not a baby from over here like now. Uh, is from Buddy. And she's just awesome. Yeah. So, you know, you never go along with getting something from Buddy. You show me. Yeah. You got a diamond python kick right now, which he fully blames me for. Yeah, he is. This is Joe. Uh, I will kick that link. Which is funny because you don't really like that. I love my diamond python. I know. You're afraid of him forever. I'm terrified. I still am terrified. Uh, if you don't mind, I'm like, okay, don't break this. Yeah. I know. I just make it about. Yeah. Next up is, uh, another awesome. We were talking about Juan earlier, but he has a tear. 1.1 granite borneo short tails. Uh, these are fabulous looking animals. Uh, the granite, uh, borneos are, are killer looking. Uh, these are beautiful examples. I love their, uh, uh, what were, what were the crazy ones that Matt patched and based on the youth granite? Or, uh, they were marble, which is marble. Yeah. Okay. I think it's kind of the same gene, but it was taken, it was taken in two different directions, so it's not a different result from it. Or I'm mixing my stone genes, you know, marble and granite, and that's where I got confused. Yeah. Uh, number nine, number nine is, uh, Scott Gordon. He has a, uh, $100 voucher towards the purchase of, uh, actually this year's IJ's or any future purchase. Which basically, I guess, I, I don't think there's anybody that says not for future purchase. Yeah, it can be, it doesn't have a voucher. It's your baby's. Yeah. It's about to use it whenever you want. You just got to win it first. Right. Scott's got stuff like he used dealing with, uh, Malookan scrubs, gold face white lips, uh, Savoo pythons, and jungles galore, and he's got an IJ clutch or two, so, uh, that's got a nice little collection there that kind of some off the top, off the beaten fat stuff. Um, and I, for one, loved my Savoo's. So if anybody wants to get into Savoo's, I would say definitely get into that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so cool stuff there. Uh, next up is, uh, from Phoenix Reptiles. Bill, uh, number 10, he has a $500 voucher towards the purchase of one of Bill's animals. Now, Bill, uh, has produced some really nice chondros this year. Um, he also works with the royal pythons, and he also works with carpets. I think Bill, in my eyes, has produced the best looking zebra jags in the U.S. to date. Yes. Um, his zebra jags are just phenomenal. Uh, I, I, I, there's nothing that even comes close. The gamut is perfectly sure. Get it out of the way. I mean, you can't handle. Look at them directly. It burns your retinas. I mean, the color and the contrast and the yellow, and it's, it's, there is no other way to go, uh, when it comes to zebra jags, or zebra, diamond zebra jags. Where the hell? Yellow. It's an offline zebra jag, right? Yeah. That one. Uh, it's just incredible. Um, like I said, he is, he is a, he is a diverse collection. He has multiple, uh, multiple chondros and some of that. So, um, he's, he's an awesome guy. Uh, so you can, uh, and he'll be there. He will be a carpenter. He's one of the two people from Texas flying in. So, if you're honest, you got in Pennsylvania and you're not coming, you have no excuse anymore. Yes. People flying in from Texas. I'm looking forward to hanging out, and hanging out with Bill. But he's never met Bill. He's never met Bill. Yeah, we're basically, no, we met him at ICAST, but, um, then we got the right. We never got to hang out, but, uh, we'll have the host together. Here's another little added, uh, little added tidbit. The host. Are we going to have a, are we going to have a crossover special? Yeah. It's the GTPP Keeper radio host. We'll be at the Carp effect as well. Uh, it's a good two-parter for sweeps. We're going to have one episode on our show, and then we're going to have the other finishing episode on their show before eight. Yeah. Exactly. Closing the, uh, what are we on? The seventh season now, I guess. Oh, my God. Uh, a number of lives. Are we? Oh, I can't believe you haven't voted on this. What? You did. Okay. I did. I thought for a second that you didn't do this. Yeah. So, and it's Rob, it's, uh, he's a good friend of mine, and a good friend of the show, and, uh, he's probably the number one fan boy from Riley Bison radio. And, uh, I think, I think that has to do with, because we both used to be huge fans of reptile radio. Yeah. And we need that weekly fix of reptile talk. Uh, we have to have it without it, and, uh, I think, uh, it's, it's, when reptile radio kind of, uh, lost its mojo there. For a little while. Uh, that's kind of when we came out. Rob had no choice but to fall in love with us. Thank you. He had no choice. It's, it's the way it happens. That's how it went. Um. Yeah. So, if you, Rob's been on the show multiple times. Yes. Yeah. You either, like, either plug in, uh, emergency hosts. Yes, when, like, your eye are needed. Yeah. He always comes in and helps out. I don't know if you've seen some of, uh, so I go over to his Facebook page, which is High Plains Herpeticulture. And look at some of the chondros that he has up for sale at the moment. Um, killer, killer stuff. Uh, it's really, really nice. So, not to mention the fact that we're not even getting into what is his real, uh, pride and joy. Is his rhino rat snakes. Rhino rat snakes. Rhino rat snakes. Yep. Which is why I was sitting, but. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I had more snake money to blow around on places, I'd be right up there with getting them. Cause, uh, if you've wanted rhino rat snakes, I wanted to get into rhino rat snakes. Uh, he can't beat Rob's. And this is a good way to get right in there and grab them for a really good cause and a really good price. So, yeah, I think hands down. He's probably one of the, with these guys, at least, uh, I know when it comes to that in the U.S. Um, he also works with Fair Eye, uh, which are really cool, uh, mountain king snakes. Um, I, I picked them a lot. Um, and he, you know, he does some, he also works with helmet hair scrubs. Uh, you know, I don't know when he'll breed those, but, um, he keeps trying. And he gets closer. Hey, it's all you can do. So, uh, one day that guy is gonna hatch out some helmet hair scrubs, uh, with the amount of effort that he put into it. I hope that, uh, I hope that it happens for him. So, uh, yeah. And you could be right there with a voucher ready to buy up. Oh, dude. Let's go. If he had just that belt, uh, swear I'd better be first in line. Where to go? I'd say take that voucher. I don't care who has that voucher, tell the kid out of the way. I'm pushing you out of the way. You know that, uh, what was that, what was that thing with, uh, Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was trying to get the kid, the toy, the Christmas movie? Yeah, the, the, the, the jingle, jingle all the way over the hill. Yeah, that's gonna be me. Get out of the way. Get out of the way. You need to move the helmet out of the way. Uh, uh, next up is, uh, Brian Schaeffer from Herkow. He, uh, I got confused with his original thing, but apparently he has three eggs. Three eggs. Yes, three eggs. You put a question mark there, so I'm not really sure if he's asking me. It's for three eggs, or if he's telling me it's for three eggs. There are eggs somewhere that are bidding for something. So, yeah. So basically what he's got going on is a caramel jag. Uh, caramel jag, BPI clutch, and a caramel jag caramel. Uh, and that's what he's got. So, uh, you can, uh-- So a caramel jag cross with BPI is the sire, and then a caramel is the mother. Am I reading that right? No, wait. Donate the two eggs from a Harris caramel jags with BPI, and one--oh, I got it. Ah, I got it. Now I see. Okay. I can't read, 'cause I'm an idiot. Oh. So he's got two eggs from this one clutch, which is a caramel jag with BPI clutch. Um, and then he's got one egg from a caramel jag from Paul Harris and caramel. So in that one, you stand the chance to get, uh, super caramel jags. But he's going basically the route of--it's like potluck. Who knows what you're going to get, which is kind of-- So out of those three eggs, good hatch. This, this, this, um, caramel, caramel jags, normal jags. Right. Yeah. Okay. And number 13 is, uh, Douglas Hartman, and what he's doing is he's donating, uh, airbrush t-shirts, um, you pretty much can select whatever you want on the t-shirt. And, you know, uh, if I win that, I get, like, a portrait of, like, you giving, like, a thumbs up. Yeah. Just a passion underneath it. Yeah. Take the carpet-fest picture. Somewhere there's a carpet-fest picture. I think I was three sheets to the wind when I was eating the lungs with crabs. Yeah. It's up in the air. There you go. Put that right. That, or the one of you smiling and pointing at my incubator because your cloth was inside. Yeah. Yeah. That's best. Am I a failure? I haven't, I haven't completely immortalized. Oh, that's great. That would be awesome. I would buy that shirt. I'm like, I didn't want to, I didn't want to bid on this now, but now I'm like, I think I might have to. Yeah. Uh, Chad. So everybody knows, uh, a day of tattooing is probably four or five hours, and I know somebody like with Chad's talent probably does about a hundred bucks an hour. So this is probably close to about five, six, hundred dollar value on the low end, depending on the ease you're getting, could be like, I mean, uh, I have two pieces on my shoulders, four sessions each of about three to four hours each time, and they're about a thousand dollars each. So break it down. This is probably about a four or five hundred dollar value of a full day of tattooing with an artist of Chad's quality, which is insanity. And once again, if I had some more snake money, I'd be going up the message. You have to go to Massachusetts. Um, if you want to look up Chad, uh, Chad, just Google's name along with Val Hallis tattoo, you can see his full portfolio and all that fun stuff. He's a really good artist. And, uh, like I said, if I, if I had the cash and I'd be going up the Massachusetts to get more, uh, more of my pieces done. So, uh, and I'm picky about my tattoos. I only have my one guy that I go to. So, uh, my wife wants me to win this for her. So, why in your wife bidding? I mean, it's like, yeah. You want me to buy it, see? Oh, I, you know what I mean? You don't want to pay for it. You just want to pay. Oh, okay. Obviously. But, um, it, it's almost like if you can do this, it would be great. Um, I know, I know a lot of Morelia heads are also, uh, have tattoos or, um, are into tattoos. So, I know Howard has a few. I have a few. I know a man has a few. Um, I don't think you have any, but, um, it's, uh, it's one of those things Matt has a bunch. So, it'd be cool. Yeah. And anyone, it's a hell of a trip. If you want to go up the Massachusetts Gorgeous up there. So, yeah, go up there for the weekend, spend one day in a tattoo parlor and then be some other shit. Right. Good deal. Number 13 is Chris Silemi, uh, who was on the show earlier. 150 dollar voucher towards any of his animals. Uh, you get, he has some cool stuff. A lot of head albino. He's had some head granite cross stuff that he did this year. So, I J, he's got some really nice I J type. A few of them is my, uh, in my group. Uh, but, uh, he has cool stuff. So, go over and see his facial cage with what he's got going on. Um, at last we have, uh, Mike Cross. He's doing a hundred dollar voucher. And I think he posted on there what he's got available. He's got pure iJ's, pure jungles, which is, uh, shoe it and hair. Scarmals. Scarmals. Tigers. And a few other various animals. Uh, you know, you can use it any time. Uh, and if you have any questions, you can contact him. And that's our lineup of stuff. Uh, I think it's a pretty good mix of, uh, some items. Um, there might be a surprise or two at the, uh, Carpafest. Uh, for people that attend. Uh, yep. This, this is just a lot of the heavy hitting stuff. There could be some added ones. If you are, uh, somebody who was going to donate something to the auction, uh, you can still do that. Just message myself or Eric and we'll throw it up there. Um, but we need to know by the end of the day tomorrow because we've got to give everybody time to bid. So, uh, if you're going to be a last minute edition, let us know and let us know immediately. Uh, and we'll call yourself up there. Please provide us with stats as well as a photograph of whatever it is you're putting up for bid. So, yeah. And, uh, you know, uh, don't forget that, like we said, it's the beginning. All proceeds will go to, uh, U.S. SARC and we'll add that into the, uh, shirt money that we raised when we did the booster for the shirt. Yep, so it's too hot. We raised $200 for the shirts and so far, if the bidding members are already coming out the way we're going, we're looking like a little bit close to like $500 something already. Maybe a little bit more. I haven't really calculated everything, but we got a few bids that are already getting up there into the hundreds. So, you might be over that right now. Yeah, which, you know, uh, it's any, any little bit helps when donating to U.S. SARC. So, you get something cool, um, and you get to give to a good cause. And there you go. Uh, one of the things that was brought up just so everybody knows, uh, if you're going to pay by a credit card or something like that, basically what we can do is just put it through, I think, either you or Mio and can use like, uh, you know, square, square and put it through right to U.S. SARC and, uh, should be no issue. So if you're worried about something like that. Yeah, I mean, what we're going to do is we're going to, of course, we're going to pull all the money together. So, you obviously have to make sure people pay. Also, if you are bidding, uh, you are going to pay. If you win the auction and you back out, I will publicly shame you on every single thing to take it a week. And really apply it on radio. It will be very bad for you. So if you're bidding, stand by your bid. I'm not going to have this pussy putting around where you're like, I didn't mean it. If you bid, that's your bid. Yeah. Just letting everybody know. Um, what we'll do is, of course, we'll pull all the money together and we'll do the donation to U.S. SARC. Sometimes, uh, in the early week after Carpetfest, we're going to give everybody a chance to, you know, uh, make the payment, get home, do whatever they got to do, set up shipping dates, all that'll respond. So, and then we'll get her all together and then we'll make the donation to U.S.R. because we always do, uh, in the name of the fans and listeners that are merely applies on radio, which is always what we put it in for. So that's always nice. And, uh, we'll get that going in the right direction. Absolutely. Uh, so yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's going to be a good time. Uh, so if you were on the fence, uh, if you're new to Carpetfest, if you're new to, uh, maybe you're new to Python. Maybe you're new to reptiles. Who knows? I don't know, but, uh, this is, uh, a good thing and it will be a good time and it's something that you won't want to miss. So, uh, if you're in that area, if you go to the Hamburg show, uh, it's not far from, from the Hamburg show. And I forgot to talk about the very last creme de la creme. (laughs) Is the following day, we will begin to glide peeling's reptile end. Uh, it's, it's, it's just going to be really cool because what we have set up is we have a behind-the-scenes tour, uh, of the, uh, of the, you know, some of the stuff that they got going on as far as, um, uh, I think they said it's probably about 30 to 40 minutes beyond the scenes. Uh, there's a maximum of 10 people. They can do a little more than 10, it's, it's need be, but to keep things comfortable, they put it at 10. We're going to be headed there to do the behind-the-scenes tour at one o'clock. We can leave earlier, uh, so we can go around the park. Before we get there, we can go there. We can go around the park after we're done. Uh, the place is open to about six, six o'clock, I think they said. Uh, five or six, I think it's six. Um, what, how it works is it's, uh, 16 bucks to get into the, into the park, and it's barely bucks to do the behind-the-scenes tour. So it comes out to be 46 bucks, which, I mean, that's not bad to be able to go behind. One of the coolest, uh, you know, they're just all reptiles at this place. I think they have some other, maybe some, some various, maybe, one or two other type of animals. But for the most part, it's just a reptile too. Uh, and they're accredited. Yep. And, uh, they have, they have, well, at least when I went there, I don't know, you've been there, uh, before me, but they have some really cool species of, uh, reptiles, that comotos, uh, you know, I don't know, it's just going to be really cool to, uh, it is a very well put together reptile zoo, and they do everything in-house from building the enclosures all the way on up. Uh, it is primarily reptiles. I think they have some emu and, uh, some flying foxes, but that hit everything else, and that is just straight up reptile. Um, and they did get approval some time in the past two years, uh, for comodo, and they have, the comodo setup is really cool. So, um, it's definitely a really, really, really nice place. Normally, uh, normally it would be the, um, uh, it's a little bit of a haul, so normally unless you have a reason you're going out that way, you don't normally go out there for a trip, but we're going to do it anyway just because it's a really cool place, and it is an all reptile park. So, um, definitely though we're going to have some lunch and stuff out there, but, uh, it's going to be a fun way to wrap up, uh, everybody's carp SS weekend. Of course, you and I, we can continue this next day, but, uh, yeah. One of those things, um... I think, I think it was just like a little added bonus. Last year, what we kind of did was, we kind of... when we were coming back from Carpet Fest, we stopped at the Baltimore Aquarium, uh, and we checked it out, and that was, that was pretty neat, but there are Australia display. This time, we figured, you know, you don't even have to go with us. I mean, you could just head over, um, in your own cars or whatever, you know, if you want to... It's definitely not made in a little while. Yeah, it's... I will say that everyone needs to be out of my house when I'm leaving, so... Well, obviously, if your plan is to lay in my house hung over, you could get the hell out by the time I am getting out, so... Yeah. It's just one of those things, uh, if you feel like driving separately, just where you can head home right afterwards, that's perfectly fine. If you don't want to go, you definitely don't have to, uh, but it would be something cool to do and where you're welcome to join us. We'd love to have you. Yeah. So... Yeah, check out their website. Uh, I think it's Clyde PeelingRepTiles.com. You can see what kind of animal they have and some of their exhibits and all that info for you. So... Pretty much a solid weekend of, uh, you know, tickling your inner hurt nerds, and, uh, I can't, uh... I can't think of, uh, a better time, so... If you miss out, then that's your loss. Um... Yep. Yeah, that's all I got. Uh, I guess we'll wrap up and we'll roll out. Now, hopefully we'll see you all after the car professed to Saturday. Um... So, what have we got? So, for us, Maria Python Radio.com, you can, uh, for updates from us. You can follow us on Twitter, and our handle is @MariaPython. Uh, you can like our Facebook page, which is Maria Python Radio. If you have any questions or comments, send them to info@MariaPythonRadio.com. Now the car professed is over, uh, for us. Uh, it will be much easier to get some awesome guests on the show. Uh, have some, uh, some cool ideas lined up. Uh, you know, some antiregesia stuff. We'd love to talk with, uh, uh, Peter Birch, uh, at some point, he'll be coming on. Uh, he's gonna get some more, uh, bloods and short-tail shows. Uh, you know, we're due for some chondro talk. Uh, you know, I'd like to, uh, stretch out and do some other, uh, uh, pythons outside of the range. I know I was talking to somebody about doing a super dwarf and dwarf retic show, uh, just some of the misconceptions about what that is. And they're from, actually, from the UK that people let us talk it to. So... My album. It's, uh, it'll be cool. Um, you know, I, I think that, uh, you know, I, I would really love to talk to some people about, like, some of the more obscure stuff, like, some of the Mac lots, some of that kind of stuff. I'd love to talk to a greeter about olives, you know? We should talk to, uh, Brett. Uh, he was the one who first me up with some of my laughs and stuff. So, we'll, uh, we'll reach out to him. I think he'd be cool to have on. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, look forward to some, uh, some cool shows in the, in the near future, uh, uh, for Mariah Pythons' radio. Uh, let's see. As far as myself, uh, you can, I should say one more thing real quick. Uh, if you want to, uh, check out the Facebook group, uh, that we run, check out Mariah, pick it a week. Uh, we kind of, even though it's called Mariah, pick it a week, and for the most part, it is all Mariah. We do let some other Pythons species slide in there. Uh, but, uh, for the most part, that's your carpet Pythons and your Skondros. Uh, probably the best stuff from around the world. Uh, it's a great group of people. So, if you, uh, if you want to check out what's going on in the world of Mariah, that's your spot. Uh, and, let's see. As far as myself, E.B. Mariah, check out my website, eBamariah.com. Uh, you can get updates from that and Twitter, E.B. Mariah. I also have an Instagram, which is E.B. Mariah and, uh, Facebook page. Uh, and if you want, uh, questions or comments for me, Eric@eBmariah.com is my email address. Uh, don't forget that we have the $500 voucher for any available animals. If you want to see what we have, go to the 2015 breeding diary page for an idea of what I have going on. Uh, and it doesn't have to be used this year. So, I know there was a couple of people that were interested in some, some granite stuff. So, hopefully next year, I'm going to be having some pairings, uh, across my fingers, which would be Carmel Granite, Carmel Granite Jags, Super Carmel Granite Jags, Zebra Granite, Zebra Granite Jags, stuff like that. So, if, if that's your thing, you don't have to get it this year. Uh, you can get it next year, this year, and stuff like that last year is pretty much all albino stuff, zebra head albino, zebra jags, molds, that kind of stuff. You know, stuff that I'm going to tempt Owen with. Yep, see. Uh, so, so that's, that's all I got for me. Uh, I'll let Owen, uh, say his piece, and then we are out of here. Yep. All right, uh, for myself, you can go over to www.rogue-reptos.com and it's still being updated, so we'll get to that eventually. I'm kind of a little busy right now. Um, the other place can go is to Rogue-reptos at Facebook.com, feel the animals that we have for sale, uh, as well as the future projects. As far as the voucher, we have a $200 voucher up in the Carpet Defest auction, which can be used for any animal, uh, through the road, whether it be for sale at the moment, or as a future baby, you don't have to use it immediately. Uh, what we have coming is caramel tiger jags are coming, and we have, uh, super red tiger jags coming at the moment. We're still waiting on potentially a few other animals, uh, to drop eggs, but, you know, currently, though, we still have some red jags, super caramel jags, caramel jags, caramel and bread lye, uh, up for sale. So, if you want to use the voucher for any one of those, or if you want any of those babies, contact me. Um, we will not be vending the June 13th Hamburg reptile show. We still have not gotten our tables adjusted from missing out on the last hamburger show, uh, but we will be, I will be attending, so if you got it, you're buying the animals, like it always brings them their deliver. And then we'll be back on track, and I promise we'll be at the August hamburger show. I don't care if I got to kill somebody for it. Uh, we're going to be back where we're supposed to be. So, um, yeah, that's all I got. And that's all we got, uh, if you are coming to Carpetfest, we look forward to seeing you. If you are still on the fence about it, get off the damn fence and come to Carpetfest. Uh, if you are not coming to Carpetfest, we're sorry you couldn't make it, and we're going to have a lot of pictures and a lot of fun to make jealous. 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