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Inland carpet pythons with Tim Tindle.
In this episode we are joined by Tim Tindle to talk about a subject he is very passionate about, Inalnd carpet pythons. We will be discussing this species and really hitting on what makes these carpets so cool.
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Go ahead oh and talk uh what's going on in the reptile world. Uh what's going on with me is that we had the second clutch of eggs over here at Rogue which is a high contact across with a caramel jag. So they should be interested in looking I have no idea what they'll look like but it's cool and I'm slowly starting to gear up for carpet test. It was one of those things that like you and I talked about it was you know I'll start getting ready really slow and I'll start figuring stuff out and like you know you have March and we'll start putting the house together. Yeah I did nothing. So nothing has been done. Nothing has been altered and we're about to hit May. So I'm actually starting to get into making the list off the need to be done. Still nothing hasn't been done but now we're planning more to get stuff done. So we're talking to people about food starting to get the house put in order. I realized this weekend that I have no room for people who said they would want to stay unless you know Eric and Zach are going to just share a bed. I mean that would be fine but also a little awkward at the same time. So we're probably going to run around and I got air mattresses coming in. I got blankets and some of that you guys don't mind laying on the hard floor. But also this weekend I went to white planes and talked with everybody there and it seems like everybody's getting pumped their carpet test. Mike Curtin was actually wearing his new carpet test t-shirt which I will remind everybody is still on sale. Apparently a lot of people came out of the woodworks having missed the first run of t-shirts and we're requesting that we reopen the run. And normally we would say no to this but you know we love you people. So we reopened the booster so it is open for another 30 days which means it will actually run out the 17th. So it will run out right before a carpet test which unfortunately means everybody will probably get their t-shirts. June 1st so you can probably get them the day after a carpet test or maybe a little bit before you may not have them for a carpet test but you still have them. So you have not purchased a t-shirt yet or if you have purchased one and want to go get another one please go over and do that because of this new run. We have not reached yet our minimum order so the t-shirts have not yet been released to be able to be printed so we have to get the minimum order. Right now we have 11 shirts and I'm pretty sure the minimum order is 15 but I'll have to check on that. So if you have not got a shirt go over and buy one one thing that we're probably going to do is we're probably going to grab one for the auction so we're going to take one. We're going to have myself Eric and then probably any carpet breeder that comes to carpet test sign it and then we're going to auction it off as part of the auction. That's the other thing that we're going to get together soon too is the auction. We want to donate an animal, a piece of equipment, something really cool, reptile related, something really cool, non reptile related. To the auction please contact myself or Eric so you can get this thing going right now. The auction has a baby chondro by Buddy Bishemi and a voucher for rogue reptiles, animals with 2016 babies, 15 babies and 16 babies, whatever the hell you want to use it for. And possibly a voucher for E.B. Morelia, he's flaking out on me. I eat not really a true trooper like myself to figure that out but he's not commenting which means he's left me alone and I can say whatever I want. So the other thing would be so far that's all we have for the auction. More things will be added. I've just got to get everybody together. I know most people offer vouchers, you can offer animals, you can offer whatever you want, a promise we'll try to get it sold. And again, all the money is going to USR. So far we've raised $200 and something dollars. I want to say 70 but I'll have to check the numbers from their first run of t-shirts and we'll probably earn any money for the second run. I just want to make sure those things get printed. So if you have not gotten a t-shirt go buy one. And then of course all the money we're going to USR to help fight the lawsuit for the injury species animals. I also tend to auction Eric. He's been a loyal hobbit but I feel it's time that he goes out into the world and it might auction him off too. Maybe he's collecting. If you buy him he might get the collection. So that's like a big thing right there. You should go for thousands of dollars. So that would be fun. Other than that if you want to help out with Carp Professor, do you have any questions? Comments, concerns, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let me know. You can contact me either through Facebook or you can go to roge-reptiles.com and contact me through there. We can figure it out. We'll talk you through. If you need hotels, I can provide you a lot of hotels in the area. You need to know how far which airport you got to land at. Unfortunately, I am like an hour and five minutes away from Philly and an hour and five minutes away from Harrisburg. So those are your two major airports. There's one in the Lehigh Valley but I don't think they can land big plain. So unless you want to do some swapping, I would suggest just, you know, unfortunately grabbing a car or driving up. Or if we want to get in contact with one of the other breeders in the area, maybe somebody can grab you and call your butt up here for Carp Professor. So it should be a good time. If you are not in Pennsylvania or the surrounding area, they're going to be the best near you. But it's going to be a great time, Owen. Not just a good time. See you chiming now for that crap. You were doing so well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's so well. I added you to the auction block. You miss that? Yeah, I heard what you said. I've been a faithful little hobbit. You have. But it's going to be a great time. And if you are not in the area that comes to the Northeast Carp Professor, take the time, look around. There are now four Carp Professor. So there's one down near Florida, which is the southeast and you have the northwest and you have the southwest. So you got them in all four corners here. So if you're not near one hours, you can definitely go to another one. So I was talking to a few people in Florida and they didn't even realize that there was one near them. So they got all excited when they found out there was one near them. So do some work. Go on to tarpafest.homestead.com. You can check out all this stuff there. And from what I hear, the other Carpafests will be unveiling their t-shirts soon. So craziness. We've got Tim hooked up. So yeah, tonight we're doing this special time because for Tim it's I think it's maybe 11.30 of his place or 11. Like that. I just want to give a little introduction here. Inland Carpet python. So we wanted to do a show on Inland Carpet python. Mariah is below the cache eye. And I thought who do we know that probably is, you know, how I like that passion. I like the passion. And I think of a guy that is probably more passionate about specific group in the Carpet complex than Tim is about Inland. I specifically enjoy his pictures that he takes outside of his group. I'm pretty sure he's a green champ of the Inland part of the calendar like for years running or something like that. Yeah, if you want to see a really cool pick and if you don't have the calendar, well then you lose. You suck. I mean, why don't you go to calendars? Yeah, but if you do, the Inland Carpet python picture in there is that close up headshot. I think that is just like an awesome, awesome shot. You know, you can't get any better than that. So recently, I'll also say this, recently we kind of had a, we put together some Facebook groups for the individual Carpet python subspecies that weren't out there. And Inland carpets were one of them. So Tim contributes over on there. I think he's actually might be in charge of it out there. I think we're going to be in charge. Yeah, we know what's happening. If he's not in charge, then he is down. He should be. But he's put up some cool articles, papers. I know when he was doing research for the show tonight, he came up with a cool little thing that he found today on Inland Carpet. It was just like a floating head of an, well, when he posted up the article, all of a sudden it was just a floating head of an Inland with a specimen tag on the back of it. And I'm like, well, back to a severed head of a snake. All right. Well, I'm just going to call him. Yeah. So, I don't know. What we're going to do is, you know, we, our goal is to have Owen hang up the phone today and call and find somebody that has Inland's for sale. And, and buy them. That's the goal. So if me and Tim can do that, then we've succeeded. Right. All right. Got it. So, yeah. So, yeah, we're just going to, we're just going to talk about. There's not a lot of information out there about them. I think, me personally, I think they're probably going to be the pet carpet python. When they become more established in the U.S. I don't know how it is across the, across the ocean there, but I would say that they're pretty calm. They're really resilient when it comes to, you know, because they live in some, some tough conditions where it can take, take the temperature swings and whatnot. So, you know, I don't know. It's kind of like that perfect pet, you know, or somebody that's just getting into carpets that some of the other ones may get a little, a little finicky and these ones are rock solid. So, yeah, we're going to walk through how it keeps them, how it greets them. Well, this is his first breeding season, I believe. So we're going to talk a little bit about, you know, what he's experienced thus far. We'll talk about the different bloodlines that are available to us in the states and over there in Europe. We're not as lucky as you guys down there in Australia where they have, you know, probably the coolest carpet morph in the world is the Silver Pepper Inland Carpet Python, at least that's my favorite. And, I don't know, so that's kind of the goal. We're just going to chill out, talk about Inland Carpet and that's enough for me, Ramon. Let's get Tim on here. Let's get this going so this poor guy can go to bed. Let me put this on here. It's time for a new computer. This computer is done. I can't get it to come up. What the hell? Come on. We're doing so well. Yeah. I should go on. Hey Tim, is that you? Hello? Yes, that's all I want. I'll be gone. Yeah, no problem. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. No, I'm good, Mike. I'm good. That'll look awesome. Hello, Owen. You all right? Yep. Yeah, I'm good. I'm definitely good. So, let's not waste time for fear of what the computer will do to us. But, Tim, why don't you just get started with the tell us how you got into reptiles? Well, as far as I can remember back, I've always been into wildlife and animals and that, but never really dogs and cats and mammals. I've always preferred birds and spiders and fish and things like that. And the furthest I can remember back is being in primary school, infant school, been about six or seven and someone coming in with a breeding group of corn snacks. And Richard sat the whole of my year down in assembly and passed these corn snacks all around. And when they got to me and just letting them run through my hands, it's something clicked. And that was it. That was me for reptiles then. Well, I was, yeah, I was kind of looking for reptiles or looking for bits of them, shed skin, whatever. And then sort of growing up, I was probably quite lucky because me parents tried to travel them, new people all the way around the world. I can, we used to go a Florida, remember going to one of the other data farms over there. And seeing the bermies, python and having them wrap around me neck and into golf snakes and, yeah. Everywhere I went, I was always paying me parents to take us somewhere where I could see reptiles. And then, yeah, and then hit a star and we went to Australia. And actually went down from Sydney all the way up to Ken, so that was just a dream come true for me. That's awesome. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, no, that was cool. And we knew actually new people on the Gold Coast. But it weren't right on the coast, so we're just a bit further sort of in. And I remember working up one morning, all the parrots screeching and cockatiels everywhere. And looking out, there was kangaroos in there, there was garden and there was a nurse monitor sitting on the fence, and then coming himself in the morning. I was just sort of, you know, and you'd say anything, I'd better say, I've started going to heaven now. That was awesome. Yeah, that was it. And that's been me ever since, sort of reptiles, and still like fish and cake fish, but reptiles is here for me. Yeah. So, what drew you to Morelia? Right, being into reptiles, I used to keep petting lizards and skinks and little things like that, and always used to go to a pet shop nearby. And the block who run the pet shop used to go to their amshaw. And every now and again, you bring back things, and you see carpet pythons in there, but they were little babies in there, sort of brown and drab, and I used to look at them and think, "Oh, the mice, but they're not, nothing that I'd really go for." And then one year, he brought back, well, a really big coral stuff. And looking back at what I know now, it was Brisbane coral stuff. And I remember looking at it, and the thing was to being 10, 11 foot long, it's a head bigger than what my hand was, and that was it. I wanted one of them at that point, but being what they were, you couldn't get hold of them. There's still real struggle to get hold of them now. Before I even talk to the block, he went to us all, that's already gone to someone. And then I saw it a few years later, and it had died, so it was really old animal. From that point, that was me, we were there, we were there. Mirelli, yes, and carpet pythons. Your first introduction was coastal, and now you're an inlet freak. [laughter] Well, still can't get hold of the Brisbane here. We'll go work for Red Pole to get some of it from me. Wow, that was a bit hard to find backwards. I think they're coming in over there pretty soon. Oh, they're fucking in touch with Paul again. [laughter] It is just a shame, they were over at one point, and no one's really paid any attention to them. I've seen them bred with jugs, and the seps. You're just looking at me, just really not that to me anyway, and I'm furious. I'm a big jackpot. [laughter] Obviously, so what drew you to England? Because that's where you're not a big jack fan, so you just went straight for England. Well, I started you into them. You're looking around for pure animals. I used to listen to the Larry and Beatty shows on Bush Lake, and listening to Nick on that, listening to his pure wrist view on it, and he could never be happy about getting pure animals. I thought if I want something, I want something that I'd find in Australia. I want something that you can make anywhere with anything. So I thought, right, look around. Obviously, Paul had all his stuff, and I just started looking around, and then all of a sudden, a pair popped up on one of the classifieds over here. They were going to the Kenton show, just one of the other shows over here in the UK. I was going to that show, so I got in touch with them and said, "I'm quite interested in these. Can you give me the background in four?" I was happy with where they were. I could trace them back to their breeder, and then from that breeder, I got in touch with him on Morelia Python's forum. From there, we went back again back to Frank Storfield. I thought, right, well, I'm quite happy with them. I know where they are, I know what they are. They looked like the animal that I went for, and they were blue. So, that was it. I could go over the size of them, and they were tiny. From there, it was made home. I want a bit of a buy-in spray. Yeah. Well, thanks for your time. Yeah, so, then, from there, I got in touch with a few of the people on some of the forums over here, and Andy Lucas was on there. And Jim Wetherall as well, I don't remember Jim. He was on there as well, but he was buying caramelles in the carpet and all that. And he got in touch with me and said that Andy Lucas, a female, the female, the leave come from Paul, and the female trace back to being a half-segment of the pair I already had. So, I got in touch with him and snapped them up as well. And then, to start talking about, this was just when I was getting them. It was the first year the morgue-land animals were available. So, I started talking to Andy about them, and I just got me fired up to get in touch with Brian Hockold-Mogg and get a pair of the new humans from him as well. So, that was really cool. Nearly where I am. And then, a few years after that, Jim got in touch with me and let me know he was looking to get rid of his trio of England. So, I had them as well, because they were just the freakiest looking England I had seen. They had one male that was just, I looked at it, and I thought it looked like a Deborah crossed within England. But it's not as pure. So, I thought I got to have that. Now, I'm where it has come from, and thinking, well, that's come from Paul beating that weird. I was kind of half-hop in that it was half-sibling to the striped inment. Because they usually, then, they've got such a strong pattern. Something that weird had to be, something that I wanted. Yeah. So, that's me with my group. Do you keep anything else for sizing ones or no? Well, the first carpet I actually got was a male bread off python. I've still got him, and he was born in December of 7, he was born in. So, once I put him, I put him at 7.5 years old. Yeah, he was really cool. He was, I remember buying him at a little hat screen, and he was biting and even crap out of everything. It went anywhere near him. And, yeah, it was cool just looking at watching him develop his red colors. And I knew that was something else at that point, where I wanted my carpet pythons. I also got one female blackhead python. I picked up from a guy over here, Andy. He actually produced another hat and clutch the year after I did. And, I don't know if you're in the ground, but it was actually a tiger-stripe blackhead. Like, the one that Derek produces with the black stripe all the way down the back of it. Oh, wow, they're cool. Yeah, they are cool. I think it actually died, though, but he's bred him again next year, so I'm going to be looking for another one off of him. That'll be a pair of blackheads. I used to keep royals, but recently switched them off. I traded them out and picked up a group of hognosis. So, I've got some hognosis snacks as well. I've got six of them. Oh, okay. Hognosis is awesome. Yeah. You'd never go on with all those snacks. And I still have a little snake. They really are. I've also tried to research everything as well, that what I'm keeping, I've actually can keep the same sort of where. So, obviously, the blue bridge goes down in the winter. The inland do. The blackheads, more than capable of doing it. And, obviously, the redels does it as well. Right. You'll get warm and they get away with that. So, I try to keep everything the same sort of, like, keeping in there. That's so difficult. Because when you want to keep everything. Yeah. Yeah. That is the hard part. The kind of rule. Yeah. It rules me out a lot of jazz and drum goes, but if I want yellow, I've got an albino. I hope not. So, that's my yellow. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Cool. All right. Well, let's get into, let's just talk about some natural history with these guys. I mean, I guess let's start with, I don't even know, let's start with where these guys from, you know, just kind of lay down what you know and what you've researched about these guys. Okay. Well, they went from what would be South Australia around the, like, the mouth opening into the ocean of the Murray River and the Murray River basin. And that stretches all the way up through Victoria, into New South Wales, and then they follow up through into Queensland, kind of sweeping around and let air and into where and all the rest of where that air is. And they're quite softly linked into the red gum, trees and the black box trees, the black box air gums. So, wherever they found a floodplain near, obviously near river with these, and they're quite big trees. These are, some of them are like 20 metres high. And obviously these trees stand out in the, what would be the geography of the place. The birds flock to the trees. So, the snacks are drawn to the birds. The mice are drawn to the birds dropping and the whole system kicks off then. The snakes are found within the hollows of these, the gum trees. They're also found over the, the grassy plains into what would be sort of mountainous areas on rocky outcrops. And they actually come out onto the rocky outcrops to basking in the morning. We've done a forage during the day and in the evening, and when it gets too cold for them, they just call back up to the rocky outcrops down the way from the predators. And that's them there. So, that literally runs all the way through from South Australia. So, there's a place called Mildura in Newcomb Victoria that I actually look for for my temperatures when I'm looking at where I want to keep me in mind. So, that's all the way down the bottom. They run all the way up to nearly Mount Isa, which is the middle of Queensland. So, it's getting quite high. As they range from the bottom, they're more the bluey, what we see sort of over here, and other there, the bluey with the black and quite strong patterns with a little bit of reding. As you go more into New South Wales and then into Queensland, the black starts reducing and the red colour comes through a lot more. So, that was quite nice, but finding, you obviously can't find them over here and looking on the Australian forums and Facebook priorities. There's not a lot of them around Isa at the minute. They were lost apparently over there. Someone's got to get out and start collecting them. Did you grab off? Oh, sorry. No. Where did you hear up there? Not you, not you, Eric. No, I'm here. Hey, I'm cautious. The two in a row. Yeah, we haven't had, we haven't been having the best luck, Kim. We're a little jerry, so. Don't worry. So, what do you think they get that red colour as you go that way? I guess one of the questions that I had that I was curious on your thoughts on, you know, at some spots, they say they're mixed with coastal. Do you find that? Yeah. Do you think that's the case? Yeah, in Queensland. Allegedly as well. Also, in New South Wales, I think, I've meant to at some point hybridise with diamond pythons. I've never seen anything that I can find anywhere in books, in libraries online, that would actually stir that, but you just never know with them. Obviously, you can't get everywhere that these snacks are, and the breathing might not pay off that era of the babies getting, but apparently in Queensland, they do. I have not. Sorry, sir. I was just going to say, we were talking about one of the things I just posted real quick. You had posted this a while back on England's Carpet Python group. That crazy looking red, I don't know if it's a morpher. It almost reminds me of, like, if a diamond did mix with that, because I don't know, usually when you see diamond blood with coastal, that's kind of this red kind of tipping thing that goes on, and that's what I'm kind of being in this picture. It's really kind of cool. I have a Australian forum. Someone did actually mix a diamond python with an England Python. My God. So, look at it. Yeah, yeah. There's these things out there. To look at it, you look at it, and the one thing that was quite strongly through, from what I've seen, is the pattern, and the head pattern, and almost the top half of them has got, like, the neck look to them. It's like that strong black pattern carries through into the crosses. And this looked like a diamond python, but the white, rather than the middle of freckled, was the England Python pattern. It was quite cool to look at, but everyone on the forum was asking what it was, and it was me and someone else went, "What's the mainland python cross with the diamond python?" Right. You can see, when an England python crosses with it, that one that you're on about was from the coral thesis, wasn't it? It's one of the pictures in there. Yeah. I believe he'd done his thesis around Victoria. So, that was nowhere near the diamond python. So, that is a pure southern form, inland carpet. So, hopefully that could pop up somewhere. And someone's breathing. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. The only thing I'm going to look at something, like, I just think I could pop up somewhere, and I could have a chance of owning that and seeing it in the face. Yeah. I mean, I never thought I would own an England carpet, let alone a morph of an England carpet. So, you know, my luck is going pretty good, I guess. So, okay, so we talked about, like, where they're from. What kind of temperatures are these guys experiencing? And how does that relate to how you're keeping them? In the wild, they do experience, obviously, where they're from is a desert. So, they experience, like, really hot temperatures in the summer, ranging. I've knocked it down here. 42 degrees Celsius, which I figured out to be 108 degrees Fahrenheit. And that was, I've looked at, like I said, Mildora. And that was during the height of their summer, regularly got to that all above. And then in the winter, it's dropping down to 15 degrees at night, which is just the night. So, it's getting this ranging from extremely hot to extremely cold. There isn't, obviously, there isn't a lot of rain there. You get a flood every now and again. But they're really, really tough, thanks, really tough. It's below freezing it. In the nights there, during the winter, obviously, the summer temperatures for night are actually quite high. They're 24 degrees Celsius, which is 75 degrees Fahrenheit. So, they're, obviously, probably more during the summer at night than they are during the winter. The winter, they just become, to the entry, find somewhere, a hunker down for the winter, and that's them. Something pops in front of them that might have a meal. Obviously, that, what I try and do for my, my side, let them, they get warm during the summer. They can get up to 32, 35 degrees Celsius, so they can get pretty warm. They do seem to enjoy it. Whenever I go and see them, they're, they're, they're looking for food. They're crawling around everywhere. They don't, they don't sit there. And then during the, during the winter, they obviously drop down quite low. I've been trying to breed them for as long as they've been big enough for them to breed. That is a couple years now, but they've been getting down during the evenings to, I think the coldest I have forgotten was 10 degrees Celsius, which was 50 degrees Fahrenheit, I think. And then during the, yeah, during the day, they just come back up to 24, 25, sit under the basking mat and they're fine. They're pretty good. The only time I've ever had any trouble with it, with them is the first, the more blind male that I picked up, they actually come with a slight respiratory infection. And there's distress of bringing them back all the way from germinate, not enough of a car, probably sleep, have heat packs and that. But the stress of that actually brought out an ROI. So we took him to the vet, got him all tricked out, gave him a long wash and prescribed petrol, tried all that, nothing worked. And I could see, when I was all really giving him battery, it was stressing the animal out. And I was just looking at it and thinking, I can't do that anymore. So I got in touch with Jim again. They suggested using a nebulizer, clean the cage out, soak him, nebulizing every now and again with F10. And after a week of that, it cleared up and he's been good as well ever since. He's actually one of, he is my favourite inland. Wow, when you say, when you say, when you say you use the nebulizer, can you go into a little more detail on the what you did? Yeah, everything I could nebulize, the same idea is what you'd get in a hospital for you. So you'd have one area where the snake is, a pipe coming into that. You can buy the nebulizers obviously online or you can use like a steam to get the same sort of reaction. You have the tank where the snake is, pipe leading into that. And then from the other pipe you'd have somewhere with really hot water or a nebulizer, put water in F10 in that just a really, really like 1% really weak solution. And the steam goes into the tank where the snake is, the snake obviously breathes that in. And as that's going in, it's clearing the lungs and the F10 is an antibacterial as well. So it's helping all of that. That was not actually work for him to clear him up. Wow. Wow. Did you see an improvement right away or was it a gradual improvement? The first, he was still wheezing and gasping for air. The second air, it stopped the gasping for air. He was clearing and feeding again, so he really did bounce back strong from that. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I was, like I said, he's grown into just a wonderful adult now. Really calm, really. For me having to literally hold him into his mouth and screwing something like last week, it was battery acid putting it into his mouth and I was expecting all sorts of trouble with him. But no, he's bounced back really, really well. That's great. I mean, and many of the temperatures you're about going the other direction, so that's cool. Yeah. Definitely. I was just thinking about getting so. The only trouble I've ever had with like falling over on me and just dropping dead, a caramel mix from Paul that I picked up from ham, that was feeding absolutely fine, shed from me. Absolutely wonderful. Went up there one morning, it was dead in the tank. Completely and utterly dead. I looked at that and just thought, right, well, animals die. That's what I've got to put that down too. Yeah. Yeah. I think we forget that sometimes, like we think, I don't know. They're indescribable. I can speak for myself, you know. It's kind of like, oh, yes. Sometimes they have problems with their heart, with their bodies. Yeah. Just all kinds of crazy things can go wrong. It's a living thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is it. Yeah. Just got infected from time to not live forever and nothing has ever gone that way forever. No. Give it about 10 years and then we'll be, you know, replacing our heart and whatnot. Maybe 20. Well, we have some good. He'll be replacing our heart. So I'm curious of your thoughts on, I've kind of researched this a little bit and I'm curious of what you know about it. These gammon, I think I'm saying that, right, gammon range. Yeah, the gammon range is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've looked. Oh. I've actually looked. Have it? I'm sorry, we're done. Okay. Yeah. And I'll have a look into that. What are your thoughts on them? Inland, Simbracado. I actually think, my personal opinion, I personally think they're a remnant population left over from when the carpet python obviously spread all across Australia. I don't personally believe that they're either an imprecata or an inland. I think they're a genuine hybridization of them. Personally. Wow. And they obviously look like inland carpets with the really, but yeah, they look like inland carpets. So that pattern, but apparently they're slightly bigger again. They average about 2.4 metres apparently. And they have rather than the bluey colour to them, they have like a greeny colour to them. Right. But obviously the DNA doesn't lie and there is imprecata in there. Yeah. So. Yeah, that's so cool. There's a DNA testing on there. Yeah. I've only gone from, I've only gone from what I've heard from Nick and Justin and that on the shows they've done. Okay. So obviously, I look at the gammon range as one. And the strange thing about them is they're not that far away from like the suddenly range of the inland carpet. But they're obviously not getting any input from them genetically as that would be wiping the inbracata. So that's really quite strange. I mean, when I was initially searching them, they come from someone over in Australia, used to breed them called Simon Storm. I don't know if you've heard of him. It's Doc Rock as well. Yeah, southern star python, doesn't it? Okay. Yeah. And he got them from someone who collected them from the Flinders range. And when I looked it up on the map, I was looking for distance. So they must be inland carpet. And Simon Storm did use to classify them like inland carpet. It's obviously the DNA, and I was this of them. And they might have gone through it all DNA. They, they, I've got in-between them. So I'm finding there a remnant speed, remnant hybridization. Yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense. Which would lead me to my next question. Do you think that inlands will, do you think that they rank as a full species in your eyes? Or are they subspecies? That, that kind of takes me into that one. I look at them and listen to what everyone says about them. And when was it, Nick was on a few, a few months ago, I think he was saying about the taxonomy on merman. I wear only 0.1% different from a chimpanzee or something. And the inlands were just slightly short of where they would have cut off a full species. And for me at that point, I would have made them a full species. But then you look at where they all go around and then swing around into Queensland. Do you cast them then as the inlands or do you cast them as same species as, it's kind of a really, it really does take me into that one when I look at it. It cries my friend. I did also hear at one point, and they were all, they were going to look at doing population studies of the inlands to actually see whether they varied throughout their brain range. But I don't think anything ever come at that. Yeah. That would be interesting. I wonder if it's sometimes, my thought is, well, I think they were, Nick was saying that they were, I don't know, where they cut it off was 5% divergence. And they were just short one. 9.7 or something like that. Really silly number cut them off from. Yeah. And then when you look at us, where we're, I don't even know what the number is. I'm assuming it's one, whatever, just 1% or whatever. So it doesn't, taxonomy doesn't go across. No, it doesn't go across the species, does it? No. I don't know. I kind of, I don't know, the more and more that I guess that I talk to different people, the more I'm more, I guess I go in the, the lumper camp. That's just a splitter camp, you know. Yeah. But. Well, the one that gets me with the lumper camp is, what do you then do with diamond piping? So they harmonize with the crystals, but what do you do with the suddenly diamonds? Yeah. Well. Yeah, I don't know. Do you, do you think that, well, do you think that just because they, from the area that they are in, that's why they developed the way that, you know what I mean? Like they, they've only to sell them. Yeah. Yeah. No, I thought like Tesla. Yeah. I can remember watching one of Rob Bredle programs where he went, she went looking for the England and he, he dug one out of a tree hollow. And there was one point that really stuck out to me and he said, the, the people like the scientists and the taxonomists said this is no different from a coastal carpet python. But if you took a coastal carpet python and put it into an England habitat, it'd be dead. It wouldn't be able to handle what an England carpet does handle. And then in the same way you wouldn't be able to put an England carpet into a coastal carpet's habitat naturally and they struggle. Hmm. Yeah. True. Yeah. It's almost like they, they developed what they've developed because of the environment that they are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because diamonds can't take the, or do not enjoy the same amount of temperatures as only other ones. So. No. No. The biggest question, isn't it? Yeah. I wonder too, if like, one of the things like, I think of Erie and Jayas and like. Yeah. You know, I mean, it takes thousands of years for species to diverge, you know. So, is it something that we'll never see in our lifetime, but that animal is on our trajectory to become a full species? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And like, we're like in the middle of it. We're in the beginning stages though, that should say. Definitely agree with that. I mean, just touching on something there, the, um, the, uh, the, uh, RJ has meant to be the same as Darwin carpets. But the Darwin carpets have been on to get up to 10 foot. I believe the record for one. Oh no. I think it was a trillion Darwin or someone's house and it had a cat in its belly. Oh my God. Yeah. So that's obviously bigger than what, uh, any RJ ever gets. So, uh, they, they, they to me were obviously different from RJ's. I mean, the science doesn't lie, but they were just what I'm looking at when I'm looking at what, uh, winter, uh, five, six foot RJ. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah. If you, if you, I gotta be honest, like when I first got into carpets and I would see a Darwin, I would just think, oh yeah, that kind of just looks like an RJ. But when you keep both of them, they're very different looking. You know, I mean, they're kind of, I guess they kind of act the same way to the certain events, but they're very-- It's the same type of variations, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It's really kind of kind of interesting. When you keep all the, uh, subspecies, species, carpets, whatever you want to call them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You're up. Cool. So now, how do you, what's your approach to keeping your inlands? What are your, uh, what are your attempts in the cages and things like that? I, I think it's, it's pretty sort of standard, I'd say, from what I got by. I am for 32 degrees in the, in the summer, under a hotspot ambient of maybe 28. Actual down to maybe 18, 20 degrees during the night. I let that go as cold as what it will go outside. So they, they have a natural sort of heat up. They get warmer again in the evening and then cool down again. And they seem to handle that perfectly fine. In the winter, I, um, I let them drop down. They do drop down. They get down to, like I said, maybe I am for 12 degrees. And actually probably get somewhere near, uh, maybe 15. But it's the sunlight. They do drop down to 10 degrees. And like I said, I'm up in the morning there. I'm going to need the basking light and I'll sit there there again. Hmm. Yeah. I did try, originally try keeping them in Bavarians. Yeah. Um, of plastic, uh, plastic, um, just normal newspaper in there. Rock under the basking light. Uh, I tried two types of hides as well. I tried a plastic hide like the formed plastic hide. And then I also made up a wooden hide. And I actually found that they prefer to be in the wooden hide as they did to the plastic hide. So if you used to sit, I used to sit at the wooden hide and the plastic hide next to each other. And they were always in the wooden hide. So I thought it was just something that I noticed there as well with that. But I don't know whether that goes back to their natural, like the natural history of them. Always being in tree hollows and things like that. So I wanted somewhere solid that they can push up against and block themselves into. Uh, and then as I've gone on and skid to come along and things like that, I've needed more and more room for other things rather than some, I've tried them in tubs as well in 50 litre tubs, uh, the really useful boxes for the purchase again. Well, exactly the same temperatures are on the thermostat and they go up in the day and then come back down during the night. They went up asking lights to heat mats. They were, hey, heat mats underneath. And they grew up perfectly fine in there in the process at the minute of bringing them back into leaves to see whether I can get them to breed. Nice. Okay. So I just want to throw out there real quick just so everybody knows when you were talking about trees, I think you said 16 trees. I think you said 16 trees. Oh, it's stealthiest. That is stealthiest. Yeah, it's stealthiest. No, 99 degrees. We've had that before. Yeah. I think it's roughly about 90 degrees. Yeah. It's just the general sort of temperature. I do let them on some days. Obviously, when you get a hot summer day, I let them go up hot just so that they've got the production and just to, I don't know, but it's just for me to remind them. For me to remind myself or then to remind themselves that they can actually do it. And they can go really hot. And actually on then hot days, they do seem to actually sit under the heat as well. They go back away from it to get to a goat side. They sit. And then that evening actually has something else that pops up into mine there. On the really hot days, I put up a post earlier this week on the Indian carpet group about the color change of them. And they seem to get really hot. They seem to, the blue almost fazed into like a creamy whitey color. And they just, they're really scream. Sort of like an eye chair with changed color. The Indians seem to really effect with the heat. And they just, they, yeah, they're a lot brighter when they get warmer. Cool. That's really cool. So do you really see a bed like, is it night and day kind of like as the day was addressed? Yeah, color changes. Okay. To be, yeah, well in the morning, obviously it's been quite dark sitting under the heat. Obviously going to work during the day, come back at night. Check them and they're just, you could be looking at night. They get so dark at some point, obviously during the winter that you can barely make out the black pattern from what would be their blue pattern too. They're literally looking at you. It's like looking at printed newspaper like black on white. They're just so bright. That's crazy. They're also hungry at that point as well. Of course, yeah. That's awesome. So now with feeding, are they voracious feeders? Are they kind of like, you know, sort of tricky ones? And what they're doing there are absolutely voracious feeders. I've never had a, like a hatching, hatching fresh out of the egg in England. But I've had them fairly young and they're just absolutely mental. It'd be surprised at the size of the food that they can fit down them. They're absolutely voracious. I've fed them before and what mistakes your hand or it thinks your hand looks better and they're rare than the ground. And it goes for it, but it's just that little further back. So we're actually being beat by one. I know a few people who have and yeah, they diet and they mean to, if they think you're food, that's it, you're dead. That's funny. So obviously comes from their natural. So you've never been on the receiving end of one of your guys? No. I'm not sure. I'm putting up a post about getting beat by one of these, when even keeping them. And yeah, he said that was it. But it's literally going for the food and it just thinks, "Oh, that looks bigger than that." So I've got... Wow. I've seen pictures of yurling in ones with, and they're only small snakes at that point. You're looking maybe, maybe finger thick, maybe two fingers thick. And they're literally bulging, like you'd see them swallow maybe a small rat or something. But obviously you're not a small rat, but it's like a weenling rat. They will tell us if they get the chance. That's crazy. Yeah, so I feed mine a variety really. I've got chicks that I mainly use to feed the backheads. So every now and again, they get offered the chicks, and they're quite readily. I've got mice every now and again, and they get offered the mice and accept the mice in our problem. And then the rats... I've actually got one female that does actually show preference for... I think it's large weaning rats. If you offer a smaller rat and you won't accept it, you offer a mouse. She's got to be really hungry to accept it. Chick every now and again. You live this certain size rat under a knot, and I said she's on it. Yeah, it's just a really weird, I think it's just that one snake and it's personality. But yeah, all the other is not a problem whatsoever. You can wear anything. You just go up. I said, "Oh, your hand isn't there." Move quickly. Yeah, yeah. Always feed with four sips or tongs. Never your hand. Yeah. Never handled during the after feeding. Yeah, it's okay. But I was strong there feeding responses. They've got to realize their food their first. They're very, very placid animals. You could get them out when they're that hot. They look at you and I don't know whether they can recognize your something or just not smell a rat. And that's it. They're calm, docile, wrap around, you're trying to climb up and get up as hard as they can. And there's no problem whatsoever. But the minute they smell that rat, it's on. Wow. That's really cool. Yeah, so how would you compare them? You said you had a bread line. How would you compare them? Yeah. The actions and movements of a bread line. So I know they're handling the same way they can pick the temperatures a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Now they are very similar to the bread lines. But the bread lines are a lot more slow and deliberate. Obviously where it's a lot bigger than them. He's very slow and deliberate. The England, they're more inquisitive. The bread lines, he seems to be looking for food all the time by the England tomorrow. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. What's this coming a lot on the cob? They're like the sniff around. They watch you go into the room as well. And they're similar in ways, but not in many others. Cool. That's really cool. See, he's adding more and more that I should probably just get at some point. Well, you know, he's just going to end up with a moment. I know. People over there. I can't believe you went diamonds first though. I can't believe you were there. Well, they were there. The diamonds were there and they intrigued me. So were the England. No. You said the thing with the England, isn't it? They're just not as round as much even as diamond popes. You're more likely to see them than you are in England every now and again. Yeah. I really think the breeding potential for England carpets is going to be outstanding. I mean, you think about this. Again, you know, we say this a lot on the show. Probably sick and tired of hearing me say it. But you think of what's been done with jungle carpets and then you think about England carpets and you think of the potential to make a blue and silver. I really like there's a picture in the complete carpet python. And it's from a breeder in Australia. And I'm going to tell you what page I'm looking for. And all the way around about it. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that coming up on the forearms as well and looking at it and. He's 34. Yeah. He's going to war. Steve Scaffey. Steve Scaffey. Yeah. Looking at that. He's just screens. I went going back to the northern range of them. If you, whether it's '74, the one above it. The yeah, I've found one in long reach. Just look at that. And you think, you never see a carpet. Look like that. The faded black and faded red and silver blue. And just think, what was that later if you selectively bred that? Yeah. You're looking more like a bred like. Yeah. Red everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. I would imagine. People keep telling me here that they're like red live but with different colors. So, but they're all people who own them. Well, handable. Exactly. But then, like I said, people who own them tell me they are but they aren't at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like trying to think of a, it's almost like if you had, I don't know, just think about, like it's the only thing I can equate it to at the moment. You could say beers, you could say cigars, but I'm going to say coffee. You know, you could have coffee that's just like a coffee's coffee. But if you're really into coffee, you can taste one from one region and it tastes this way. And then you can see these little subtle differences in that. And that's kind of what I equate like keeping carpets. Like, until you have them all, you know, it's kind of like you see these little, little differences, whether it's in a look or it's in a behavior or it's in, you know, some kind of quirky thing that they do. Or, you know, it's just little, little things. Like, I noticed, like, IJs, they have like really, really big heads compared to their bodies. They have like this old, old head, you know, like an adult IJ. And, you know, most like inlands and whatnot that I have, they're still young. So I don't really know. But it's like that old. It's very flat as well, isn't it? Yes. It seems very, very flat. I mean, the head of the bread line, like you say, it's like a bowl though. Yeah. Yeah. They're muscles at the back of their head and they look like they mean business. Yeah. As well, looking at inland, it also seems quite more pronounced than anything else on them. They say rise to me. They're just looking at their eyes and just looking at them. It just does make, it draws me in even further. Yeah. I think the coolest shot is that one. It's actually on the group page. If you look at the top, that's the one that's in the counter. But that's the one that's still sitting there like that. Yeah. It's like, wow, that's impressive. Yeah. You know? So, yes, it's really cool. So in the coming years when people have, I mean, because really, it's in the infancy of working with them in captivity. I mean, I know they've been around for a while, but, you know, people are talking about it. They've never been very selective later, don't they? No, no, you know. There's one that Justin had up for sale last year, I think it was, from his more gone ones. And it looked completely different from all the others. It was faded out on that stripe that runs down the side of them. You look at that, and I've looked at things, you know, before I was in America, I'd be getting that. And I think he actually managed to keep hold of it. No, I actually wanted it. I think it's having the site to look for what you want to, what you can say and what you can turn it into as well. Or you're looking to say whether I'm right, right? You're probably not getting them up, getting them on boats and moving them to the next time to take that off me list. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I don't know, I think there's just a lot of potential there. It's just really cool. But talk about breeding. I know, are you having success this year? Do you feel like you're going to have a clutch? What are you doing so far with trying to breed them? Well, trying to breed them, I haven't had any success whatsoever so far. I think looking back at me nuts, I've been trying since 2012, which is when the earliest pair that I had were on 9s. So I thought 2012, they're two and a half years old. Everyone says they breed like normal carpet. There wasn't a lot of info out there at that point. So I thought, right, let's give it a go. When the temperatures, me, I actually went through a four-top period as well and went from 14 hours of daylight down to eight hours of daylight. And I didn't get anything. Yeah, I don't even think. But they, literally, they curled up at one point, so I've got everything written down on calendars. Now, they literally cuddled up. One thing I have noticed about them is they're shedding cycles when they're in their breeding and winter periods. All things revolve around four moons. But within a few days of being around a full moon, they'll shed. Really? One word thing. Eric, Eric's moon charts. All right. All of the red and black ones. I'm just going to sit with them. Listen into the show in the previous, but I had said that. I noticed something similar to that. No one always loves my phones. I have to. You know, I can't let them get you four out there. I mean, you know. I can always remember back when Larry and V.T. were doing their shots. And they had to be able to set on one of their shots with it. And they were, I think they were in one year of breeding. And he said he was looking ahead for the next three years of breeding, all of an off the moon chart. And he just ran through all these collubrids and all these pythons, all off the moon charts. And that struck me as well being, obviously, young and impressional at that point, wanting to talk about them and I thought, right, I'm going to mark down what happens and when it happens and when and what phase the moon is at that point as well. So. Yeah. Yeah. I had the same show. Yeah. It's weird listening. But obviously go back as well and listen to them and you get bits of information out of them as well. So they were killed, they were. That was 2012, 2013, more or less the sensing happened and didn't get anything out of them. 2014 actually started not seeing swellings in the females are obviously follicles developing. Yeah. Well, I got to be getting something here. You can actually see them. They haven't eaten. They actually stop eating the females when they get to the right side. They stop eating when the night temperatures start dropping blossom and so. I think it's actually around about 20 degrees. I haven't actually got that sort of down to where I've not. It's like the autumn dropping that and then the females just peter off and then just stop. So I'll brand about it over the first month stop feeding. The males kept feeding for a bit. But once the females stopped, I'd let them clear out and then just drop them down into a lower back at that point, dropping down to the floor and let them sit there. I noticed the swelling of the follicles was around mid-January. At that point, I thought, right, I want to try seeing whether they'd actually want to eat anything off of them. A small, weaning brats, a really small meal and they accepted that and they were accepting that fortnightly they were. That was all through January. So that was two meals I had in January. I didn't see anything through February. I popped the males in with them. I didn't notice anything. The males will just go on to enter it into the female. Curl up, now curl up together. They'll move with the females through the warm and through the cold and just follow them. March, I noticed they started moving around. The females at that point were still, obviously, swollen up as well. I'm thinking at this point, yeah, I've cracked it there. I added newspaper in for the females and they started digging around through that and what I thought was nesting. Get to my and the females shed and they want food and they're sitting right back down and nothing. I just can't manage to get them to what you like. And more or less the same thing again this year. They went through the same sort of cycle. I tried this year introducing some mild intake and the amount of swapping them and that did seem to work. The females swelled up after a really big swelling. I did put pictures up on Facebook, I think I did. Of one that was literally that fast one apart. I thought I'd got to be of elation. You can see the skin between the sky old. You can see the formation of the sky old I thought I'd got to be. Pops her back in there. She had a shed, I think, two weeks after that. I had a shed cycle, I thought that's a pretty low shed. Nothing. She went back down. Absolutely nothing. I have got, yeah, it's really, really weird. But then the more gland female, I've tried her this year as well. She swelled up. She was flipping on her back as well and I'm thinking, right, she's inverted. She's actually gone and gone for me. She had a shed and then swelled right back down. But the weird thing about her, I kept them only with her because I've got more to the thinking this year. I'm just going to leave them in there rather than take the male down. I leave the males in there, let them call habitat. So I'm moving them all back to visit anywhere this year. So I'm going to let them call habitat and then see what actually happens with eggs. If I do actually manage to get anything, take note of what everything that occurs and have to move on from there. But, yeah, the more female this year, she come back down from her as well. Had a shed, was eating, kept the male in there, went up there and went up through. I believe it was February 18th March, sorry. Yeah, March, went back up there March and they were locked up. And I don't know if you've gone through not seeing any locks or anything thinking, well, she's gone back down. The males are not going to be interested to her locking up with the male and gone by the calendar. If she locked up on a Thursday, they were locked up again the following Saturday. So that's a day in between they were locked again. I've noticed another lock with another pair was on the following Tuesday. And then the following Saturday again, the more repair will be locked up yet again. Still nothing when it came to eggs. The one pair that I saw, the separate pair that I saw looked sort of, the female has swollen up again. And she's actually looked like she's coming back down again. But it's gone to count her as if she goes, if she doesn't. I'm not expecting, so I'm not building the hobs up with it. I've just been happy just to get wool. Inland, so I'm not keeping complete then. Wow. I wonder, you know Tim, one of the things that I've had success with is when I see that the female, like when I warm them back up, I'm offering them a small meal, like when I see that swelling. I do try that. The ones that I've tried with that don't want to take. It's really, really weird with them. I'm just wondering whether I'm getting in the way too much with it. I've been taking all these knots and looking in on them, whether that's just putting them off. I was having half my fault with putting them back to Vave, so I don't have to touch them. I can look through the graph at them. And that's going to give them all the same reason. Well, yeah, they are. And then some people just break them straight away, no problem. And they've done that to you all. And he's a writer, isn't it? What do you really want to go? I just will not go off yet. Speaking as a person who just can't get a certain type of Morellia to freaking make babies. I can tell you how frustrating that could be. Of course, there's another person, a very good friend of yours. He's like skipping around his room, breathing everything under the sun. You know, I do look at him. I'm looking at everyone popping out of clothes now, and I'm thinking, Come on, let's do that. Come on, just do it. Just give me one. I'll be happy with one. I'll be so happy with one. Oh, that sucks. It just takes me going. I'll just go kick going at it. Don't be stupid. The problem I think is that in like two seasons, they're like all going to drop. And you're going to be like, what the hell? Oh, you know it. I don't know. Yeah. I hope we're having a sale for this. Yep. That's what's kind of happening to me this year. And last year, and even the year before that, it was kind of like, oh, man. You know, I have this nice collection. I have a podcast. You were so depressed. We got that one clutch of one egg, and I'm like, wow. You're like, have you ever heard of that? I'm like, no. I don't really know. One egg. I don't know. But if you keep at it, eventually, the stars line, especially if you have a star chart, everything is great. What do you guys think about one of the things that I shot it down, Tim, in the outline was, you know, I hear when I listen to Royal Python breeders, especially from listening back to episodes of reptile radio, whatnot. What I used to hear them talk about is the introduction of a male, not necessarily to, you know, for breeding purposes, but to sort of kick that female into knowing that there's a male there, therefore stimulating the follicular growth. Yeah. You know, what do you guys talk on that? But I did try that kind of this year with introducing them and taking them out and putting them in. But from what I know, the fact that, well, I didn't know there's any difference. The females that didn't have males there, swelled up at the same time, more or less within a couple of weeks of the females that were being introduced. But the females that I didn't introduce, and they just put the males in, bred, whereas the ones that I kept the males in a slightly longer southern, like a two day introduction, two day off, two day on, two day off, and then others had them two weeks in, a week off. They, the ones that were in for two weeks didn't seem to breed, whereas the ones that I introduced for a couple of days, talking back out, did breed. I've witnessed lots with it, so it was, yeah, I don't know what to make of that. I, I would go by the means of there are 10 million ways to skin the cat in breeding it. So maybe some females need the male in and out in and out in and out. I've had that where I've had some females that the males in, he's in for like a week. During that week, it's nothing but locks. After that week, she wants them out of there. And then you've gone and then she never wants to see them again. And she goes through her whole, you know, ovulation, the, the, the, the belay and all that other stuff. And I've had some females who will ignore the males for almost two months. Then I pull them out, then I feed them and feed her, put them back in, and then they're at each other, the, the breeding. So I also have some females that I've seen, it's the same thing with males. Some males don't pay any attention to the girls unless there's combat, unless there's another rival male around, unless he's eating, unless he's doing something else, you know, it's, it's funny. And I also have some females that don't know when it's breeding season. I was breeding, I'm trying to breed my brettles right now. And my one female brettle will not turn off the food response. To a point where I was feeding an animal in a cage next to them, and she bit the male on the side and wrapped them up. And I'm like, what the hell is this? So, yeah, I had to, probably, now she is, she's the one who bit me during, during hibernation. She's the one who's attempted to bite me every time I go in that cage. I think she's just that working hungry. So I had to feed her. You could be fated into the old rock style way. Oh, I mean, oh dear Lord, yes. So it's like, I, I fed her, and now she's settling in. She had like two jumbo rats, like over two weeks ago. And now she's settled, and now she's actually breeding with the male. So it's like, really? You, you were that hungry that you had to kill everything inside too, you know. So, that is one thing I've heard about the brettles as well. They're, they're meant to, obviously, feed, have a shed, and then go back in. So that food didn't make them once a breed. I guess. So, I would just say that's what I mean. She did not act like this, she didn't act like this last year. So, with empty and spring breeders, I think one of the triggers with them is when it's, and again, I'm only talking not from experience, but just from, you know, thinking out loud. You're talking from an academic standpoint. So. Well, I'm just listening to all the different people that we've talked to, and you. Exactly. My thought would be that you're feeding that animal when it comes out of that hibernation, or cool down, or whatever. You know, I know they go cooler, and they kind of, they're not really doing anything until springtime. So when they come out, and it's springtime, maybe they're, they need that trigger to know, okay, well, the food around, everything is good, life is good. Let's get this part. Time to make babies. And I would agree to that, and I did feed everybody. Tom is dead, and everything went exactly as I expected. The two female brettles ate, and then the male brettle was like, nope, I got other stuff I got to deal with. So, he was like, did not eat. So, that's exactly where I wanted them to be. But the other female went straight to breeding where this one was just not satisfied. She was, I guess she wasn't either, she wasn't done eating. She wanted to get some more in her. She did have babies last year, but she was just, you know, to the wall crazy. So, she's finally settled down. So, I don't know, I guess it just, maybe next year I'll just throw her a rabbit and be like, they're eat that. You're done. You are wanting it, yeah? [laughter] And it's really funny because I just had tiger female eggs. And I brought her up, and she had no oranges in the mail, fed them, and they started breeding. Then they kept breeding, kept breeding, and then I offered her some food. She kept eating, she ate three times during being gravid and all this up. And she dropped her eggs, and she really didn't lose that much weight. I mean, she ate, I think, a week before she ended up dropping the eggs. So, it's like, Merrick. They do what they want for the day, don't they? Oh yeah, they're hungry, they're hungry. So, it's really, you know, I'm kind of getting into the more and more. There's no set way guideline to breed your animals is always going to kill them and see what they want. Yeah. Exactly. You've got to find what works for that one. That one breed, don't mess with it. That's what worked it. Cool. So... What I've been noticing is, well, I do have some females that are just being a pain in the ass. But, at the most part, what, you know, like, I just... Deeper had granted, I can't get her to breed. I just can't get her to lock up. I don't know. Like, you know, anyway, you just... I think that once the snakes in your collection kind of get used to what you're doing and dialed in, I think riding on something along those lines. Once you haven't dialed in, you know, it may take a year. With some, it may take two years. With some, it may take five years. But eventually, once they get the hang of it and you're pretty, you know, you're... Oh man, I'm losing my train, I thought. You're consistent with, you know, what you're doing. You know, I think that maybe then you'll start to see, you know, that I'm coming in line. Well, at least that's my thing. Well, I want to say that happens with certain species and it happens, doesn't happen with others. Like, remember, we talked to... Brian Young, Brian, about breeding his blackface white lips and it was... He kept doing the same thing year after year after year. And also, the females became in sync with what he was doing. And then it proved that and then it paid off and he got the eggs. It's almost like I can keep trying the same thing over and over and over again. Some animals, it's going to take years to get in sync. Other animals will probably even never get in sync with what I'm doing. So, either I can keep trying the same thing, hoping they're going to get into sync, or after maybe a season or two, change it up. Oh, yeah, I'm not saying that you shouldn't respond to what the... You know, I mean, you can kind of gauge what you think the females want for the male. Right, I mean, you and I talked this weekend and I said with the IJ pair, because I'm pretty sure I failed again, that I'm like, I'm sending a female to Jason Baelin, sending the male to you. If the female lays and gets eggs, it was the male. The male lays and get eggs with the female. If it was the both have eggs, it was me. This way, I will know where the problem is. I have a feeling it's going to be me. But, you know what? If you have the problem with things like that, though, isn't it? You sometimes get the animals that don't actually want to braid with each other. Jaggly. I only have one pair of you. It's not like with other animals, like I have tons of coals. I have multiple coals. If this animal doesn't want to braid with this one, I'll find one that can want to braid with. Yeah. That atmosphere was one of my jags. That female was with two coals, and they're like, no, nope, nope, didn't want her. What ended up getting her was the zebra jag. He was all over, so I'm like, all right, eventually I'll find something here that wants to braid with you. I don't know if you're the ugliest carpet python on the planet to them, but whatever. So, the way it goes. Gotta be fluid, which is why I always think on Eric, because you've got that, you know, planned chart book thingy, and, you know, if stuff starts showing a ride, if you start ripping pages out the book, I mean, like, you know. No, I adapt to, well, because I'm a little bit different, is as far as I have specific pairings in mind, because, you know, I just want that pairing to work. Well, obviously you will have different pairings, you know, obviously you have a pair you're shooting for, but everyone's why you gotta throw in an audible. So, obviously you pick the male that is best suited for what you can get, right? Yeah, what I'm saying is it's like, okay, so the zebra heck granite probably isn't going to go. And she's going, she was with a granite jag, you know. I'm not going to just throw another jag to her just to get zebra jags that are possible heck granite. I'm just not that breeder, you know. That's the male that she's kind of geared towards, you know, I don't know. But that's how I do fit. And I might have, you know, I find that with subspecies. I may have another, like with striped jungles, you know, I have different ideas. I did that with inlets, you know. I got a pair of each of the different bloodlines, and then I got an extra male, just in case. So, speaking of bloodlines. Yeah, can you talk to us a little bit? Maybe you can talk to us a little bit about some of the, well, there's only two that I know of. Is that the case? And then I know there's another one that just, that Australian addiction works with. Yeah. That is just a lone male. Single male, yeah, from what I understand. Yeah. That's what you know. I'll start with that lone male. But as far as I understand, when, just in case that line from the UK from what he told me, and that was literally a single male that was unrelated to the Scofield Harris line. And he got a pair from the Scofield Harris line as well. But as far as I'm aware of his teeth breathing, he's always done that unrelated male to a Harris line female. So, and then you've got the Morgan line as well. He's what it is I think they were two thousand and nine. I think they were first produced to be put out. And so they are totally, totally unrelated. I tried to get out from him. Obviously, I tried the best to get where we got him from. He weren't having any of that. All I can't get him was now they're completely separate and completely different. And yeah, the, well, the Morgan line was obviously produced by him. The founding animals were two males and one female. So they're fairly, like, closely related all of them. It's just depending on which he got the animals from as to what you're the male spread and there's no way of checking them. They are typically bigger than the other line. It's only slightly bigger, but they do a slightly longer length rather than being a standard to be about a thousand and a half to six foot for a female Harris line one. You're looking at me if I possibly just touching on the seven foot for a more blind female. And I think they're obviously being that they're slightly longer. And their pattern to me is completely different from. So I think Harris line in that being that the, it seems a lot more pronounced on the black. It's more blocky. So you get what I mean, the head pattern is more defined. The client and then the black ladder pattern that runs along the back of them is more like bolder. And then you get, I don't know as you saw in one of the pictures actually put up on the first book group of one of the stripes that ran right down the side of my male more glad. And that stripe is quite thick and bold again, but that's gone. Tip wrong, the morgue line, but if you look, I think the picture, I think Nick's got the picture of the founding three animals and there's also one on morgue site. The three fountain animals actually did the three founded animals were actually up for sale at the minute. I'm sorely tempted to get. Yeah, but they all the same sort of general pattern that that strike that runs down the side of them is bald on all three of them. So that obviously will run through into the yeah, they're offspring. And the Harris, the Harris Scorfield line from what I can figure out and read up with. They're roughly from about 1999, the first one to they started appearing. And I'd like to think that they are actually from getting where everything gets its weight over here. But they're actually from like, I mean, there wasn't a lot of England being kept over there. Like why could kept the men in England in Australia were the Simon Stone ones, which were South Australia and locality. So, being all things that they are, I would like to kind of talk, but you never know for sure anyway. That was that bloodline. But they're slightly smaller. The males on the Scorfield Harris line, probably average out at about four and a half foot and are about as thick as maybe three fingers thick. They're not they're not big animals at all. At all. They will eat. Yeah, they will eat big meals, but they are not big animals. And I've actually got one of the females, the actual original pair that I bought, the female is now six years old, I think she is. And looking at her next to what I know is a non female Scorfield line, I actually think she's mixed with sex. I actually think it's a male. I've got to probe it up to double check and find out, but the size difference is just completely different. I've got another two, I've got two non female Scorfield Harris line and the female Mark line. She's just that much smaller than them. And she obviously didn't do anything this year, but she didn't swell up. She didn't do anything. I had her out with a few of the males earlier on in the week. And looking next to her, she looks like the size for a male England. So I'm going to have to probe her up and maybe that's where I'm going wrong with some of them. But yeah, they look like that. The females of the Scorfield Harris line are probably five and a half, maybe six foot. All of them that is just really put on a lot of bulk. I mean, she hasn't been fed big meals, the biggest meal she's ever had is a small rat, but she's literally put on the bulk. And the size, everything's gone to her. So I'm going to go down this year and see whether she would actually think down, but I don't think she just doesn't want to. Yeah, and there are more. There's a stereotypical Bluey Gray. They've got the flashes of red through them. Some of them have got quite a lot of actual red through them. The three that I've got off of Jim, all three of them actually have the red coming through on the saddles of them. And on the head, there's like flashes of red. And actually get down to what color sort of you get a group of scales and look at the color of them. There's just so many colors that actually come through there. And obviously, if I was picking one to breed and maybe it was you all in, if I was picking a certain line to breed, I personally picked the Morg line being proof that they are breeding a lot more readily than the Scofield hairline. They're not as in bred as what the other line would be, being that that was a single line, that was all there was. And they were just bred for that. Okay. And it's obviously the newer line and that would be the one that I'd be picking the breed. I'd certainly see more readily wanting to breed. Okay, so I'll have to go get that. Eric, you have both lines, correct? Yeah. Yeah. I have. I have. We all knew that answer. We only would answer that question before I had any email. Eric would be the idea one that would tell, wouldn't he? Which one would breed? Yeah. Or better? Because I make off the same sort of hair, Derek. What's that? You're the top hair of the Scofield hairline. Yeah. Yes. I have. I can tell, I can see a difference with them. I think I would probably agree with you that I like the Morg line better. I do have a male that's from Justin's clutch from the unrelated to the Scofield line. The unrelated male, right? So unrelated male? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, that male as well from the pictures that I've seen doesn't look that different from the Scofield hairline males. It's got the same sort of look to it and everything else. And actually, when Justin did come out with it, I did get in coaching him to say, are you sure that's a different line? And he was 100% happy that he was a separate line. Right. Whether it's one that's been, whether it's one that's been all for it. And it's just been kept quiet and they've died out and that was the last male. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't know. Mine are nowhere near ready to breed. Mine are still small. No, but are they the same sort of age? Are they from the same sort of year or? Yeah. What's that? I think it broke up. Oh, they're same age. Yeah. They all do same age. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. So that would be one way to tell which one of breed more readily. And your favorite gets the cook out of the Morg line first. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Absolutely. The market would be you would get rid of one. Yeah. Well, my guess would be that the Morg line would breed quicker and faster. From everything that we've seen with it. I mean, I've been trying to keep off. Has anyone actually other than Kerry King and Todd actually bred the Scofield Harris line over in the US? Yeah. So the only ones I've seen breed them. I think you're incorrect. No. No. No, I think I'm not sure if Nick brought them because actually I got my group from Paul. So. Okay. Oh, no. My. No. Kerry King. Kerry King obviously bred them. He had from everything that I could sort of find as well listening to what I listened to. He got Anthony Cappenetta brought in a group of them. Kerry got some from that group. One of Anthony's, one of his died and they had an agreement that if anything like that happened that single animal would go to whoever had the bigger group. Kerry ended up with them and I think he's bred them twice now. And I haven't seen anyone else in the US say that that is the Scofield Harris line. I've always seen the morgue line ones. Yeah, I think you're right. It's just one of those things that I look for and I've never seen it. Yeah, unless there's people like hiding out that are keeping it under attack. Yeah. I would agree. I mean the one thing that I have noticed with the England is the people who tend to keep them. They tend to be more of an old school sort of group of people who keep them. They're not out there shouting, putting them up on the classifieds. They're not throwing them all over Facebook if it's got Facebook. And they, they're just there and people hear about them through the grapevine and they're there. I mean, there's someone that I'm speaking to at the minute, Stuart Robson. He, he, he friends with Paul. He's got a pair of rough scales and he got in touch with me about, yeah, well he said they're up to, he might properly get them at breeding tires next year. That might be something else with Mike. But he, he friends with Paul. He's gone through a few things. And the original block I got him from around the road to us actually has a pair of more gline that he's bred not, I think the 2013. So they've nearly, what's that year and a half old. But I've never heard of anyone else other than, I think Paul's probably got some more of a line. I've obviously got a pair. Anyone else, I've always heard in the state side that's had a more gline animal. So I've never heard of anyone over here with them. But they're obviously here as people are breeding them. Stuart sent me pictures of the ones that he's picked up and blocked them and said, yeah, they're, they're more gline animals. It's roughly different from what a store-filled Harris land would be. So there is, there is always that possibility to people just have them and they don't want to show them off. They just want to take themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, that's, you know, they're also, it could be that they're a hard animal to photograph. Yeah. Yeah, very. The easiest way to test them outside, let the sun hit them and snap a word. Yeah. I think I'm being... I hope your neighbors understand about the giant snake. Yeah. I think they're never some more concerned about my kids. It's the one good thing that I enjoy about the inn and I do not have any worries with them. With any of my kids. I've got a four-year-old, a two-year-old and then two older ones. Two older ones aren't really the strongest ones. I can't get away from them when I've got the snacks. They're just there. I've said, I haven't got any worries. They'll sit there. They'll pick them up, chuck them around the neck. They grab their heads. They've had tails trotting on, not heavily, but they've stood on their belts. Any of the snacks. Yeah. Any of the snacks are going to at least turn around and look at them. They've carried on what they're doing and I don't know. I just want to understand, you know, I'll just get on with it and move out the word. There's nothing never been an ounce of aggression out with them with them. Yeah, I see. They're very chill snakes. I was just going to say, you might appreciate this, Tim, but the male that I got from Paul is from his stripes in with. Oh. Yeah. I might have to have, I've got Eric on the line. So he would direct and see any similarities with the tree of the arctic type from there, Jim. One thing I did notice about that cuts that Paul had described was the nasal scales in the scales that went on top on the snout. They seem different from the other sort of, but he had two breedings out here, I think. And the nasal scales were what, from what I could see, could set them apart. Yeah. I might be there. Yeah, I'm going to have to have a look at that one. That's crazy. Take a picture. Send them over to you as soon as you can. Oh, thank you. Yeah. But cool. So yeah, there's the, I guess there's the two, but I hope, I can only hope one day. Maybe Australia lifts their, you know, crazy. Wouldn't that be nice. Well, did you see that with Gavin Bedford with the old pen? Yes. Yes. And there was something that was mentioned in one of the news articles, but he was, they were trying to look into the export of them to maintain them. So that immediately sounded to me like, oh, well, if they want to export, oh, and Kelly to get them even in the zoos offering, well, over here or over there. The minute they're in zoos of a sort of this where you can then breed them. And if someone knows someone, and that'll be it, they're in the reptile thread. Yeah. But I'm thinking, well, if there's one to that was on, Kelly's obviously normal carpet. It might be, hopefully, they might actually start letting animals out and, you know, understand them not wanting to let animals in, but let animals out. There's no reason not to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you had, I mean, that's like kind of like a, I don't know, that's kind of like a win-win. Like, you don't necessarily have to have, that would be like people in Australia wanting corn snakes. You know what I mean? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And I'm over to you. You know, it's like, we'll pay thousands for them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Obviously they've got the, they've got the problem in Australia, though, with the, with the foreign animals coming in and wiping out their native wildlife. And there was one on the face of doing the rants. That boa constricts run the golf course that someone had found on one of the main strips in the golf course. Alerted the police and the police said, no, it's just a topic item. Let it go. And it wasn't until later on when it actually got on the news. Someone that actually got into a network constrictor and you've let that go. Oops. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There was a lot of things going around on them about kids, they making kids and all of those. About Facebook. I can live for a character in Australia. Yeah. That's what I get into everyone's life. I pretend like I'm catching one of my carpet plate on for a while. It's like such a different world. There's, you know what else is cool? I don't know if you guys catch this. Let me see if I can pull up the guy's name. But what he does is he goes in specifically, he seems to like, his job is to go around and get animals. And I stumbled upon him on YouTube, I guess. Like, maybe I searched for carpet pythons or whatever. I'm gonna pull up his, so everybody knows him a little plug. I think his wife, his baby today. Oh, I'll figure it's the other way down to my feet, just like all these guitars. That's the new other thing about the four rooms isn't it? You can find that. You can look quick up. Oh, yeah. Yep. I don't even have you started with that. I don't know. He's just kidding. Oh, my God. His name is, if you go to YouTube, look up Tony Harrison. And what he does is he goes around and he just collects carpet pythons from, you know, like people to the yard or the fountain in their, you know, in their basement or, I guess, in their attic or whatever. And you just get to see all these cool, wild carpet pythons. Yeah. Pretty neat. You know, he's in there. That's Eric's dream job. What's that? That's Eric's dream job wandering around the bush, grabbing people's wayward carpet python. I know. Come on, man. How cool is that job? You know, like-- That sounds great. But if someone tells you it's a carpet python, actually turns out to be a brown snack. [LAUGHTER] Just grab that carpet. Oh, crap. This is serious. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. It's like, you know. Well, he did find that on the one episode, obviously it must have been somebody's pet, but he did find a rough scale. Oh. It has just chilling. And then the one-- You know. It was like, it was Condro. Condro was on the guy's air conditioner. You know what I mean? It's crazy, you know. Yeah, yeah. There's no fire in it, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I say snack. I give the snack. I try to call them. That's it, though. [LAUGHTER] Yeah. But, you know, I don't know. I think that they would be, like I guess, like I said, I could see them not letting animals in, but to not let them out. It just seems like they're missing a huge opportunity. And even if they took that money and sunk it back into conservation. Yeah. Yeah. But obviously not going to let it out without putting some sort of tax on it. I like-- No, of course not. But, yeah, even the first couple of years, if they put a horrendous tax on it, people will pay it just to get, or to prove pure Australian animals. True. Yeah. And the good thing is that even just normal animals that would just bring new blood into certain things like bearded dragons. Because they would do a lot of the problems they're having. You know, and I hear that Pennsylvania is the best habitat for Owen Kelly Python's. They thrive, I'm told, in the same type of conditions that we're used to here in the Keystone state. So that's something I think they should consider. I've also heard that Invercata do quite well in Pennsylvania. Stop it with Invercata. You're goddamn Invercata. He's like, my wife is well. I know, and I told you, eventually you'll get it, and then you'll be like me, and you'll be like, what now? And it's funny because you sit here, and it's like, I like to live like care. You do the Australians. I do too. The problem is that when I see, like when we met a, like when we met a Peter Burch and this guy is at Tinley. And they're like, Rob scale. I sold my rough scale with a little kink tail for 200 bucks. I'm like, oh my God. I would say that. I don't care. I love it. What's that? It's fun, but it's torturous at the same time. Yeah. It's not. It is fun. I do like going to a corporate Python world and checking things out. And it's quite a cool Facebook group. Yeah. I don't know, them? Well, I lost them. Crap. Thank you. Blog talk. Yeah. Oh, and we really, I think it's time, my friend. Now, are we sure that a certain person hasn't been sabotaging? Our blog talk because we said yes or no to something earlier this month or last month. I don't know. No, it says he's still there. No, you just can't hear us. No, no. Let me drop. He's gone. See? I swear we're being sabotaged. There's a short list of people that are playing first. Go on. It's really the time that I had more time. I really would like look into. Oh, wait. Building as a studio. We might be able to click them back on before it kicks us off. Told it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you are. We told you we have a technical difficulties. Do you work? Especially when you're using Skype. It's like, oh, my goodness. What happens is it usually cuts off. When you hit the two hour mark, it cuts off. The person can't call back in because now it's not alive anymore. I hate cutting off the guests before they have a chance to say goodbye. You know what? I'll even be nice. I hope that they make it to over-across the Atlantic before they make it here in the stage. Because then I know that eventually it'll be here in the stage. This is it. As long as they make it out of Australia, it doesn't matter. Yeah. And I hope that you never know what to just pop up. I hope that they would make it out legally, but, you know, what are you going to do? Well, I don't think Darren's actually released any answer yet. No. I don't even know. Australians have had a chance to play with them yet. No. Everybody says to stare and watch him play with a boy. I mean, you know, it's like, it is like one kid on the playground with a ball doing like a wee. And everyone else is watching him. It's like, it's not cool, dude. So, he's actually got quite a few things as well, Darren, doesn't he? Yeah. Yeah, he does. We got to hang out with him in Chinwood Park. Yeah. And he was really a cool guy. And at one point, I know he was, I guess it's probably around that time, but he was going to come on the show at some point. I'll talk about a few things that he has going on. But, cool. But before we cut off, oh, and why don't you hit the closing questions? Your favorite popular closing question. All right. So, what we got is, where do you see carpet pythons going in the future? Up and up and up. There's only more things out there. Well, more morphs are going to pop through, I would have thought, with other things. And people are going to breed things that no one else has ever seen. And reptile keeping in itself is actually becoming more and more widely accepted. It's not a freaking anymore. You don't get the looks anymore. And you say, I've got snakes or I've got lizards. There's more and more people who've got them. So, I can only see it getting bigger and better. People will see these things. As much as we, not so much don't like Facebook, but it's taken over the things. It gets its carpet pythons out there to the wild world. And things like Instagram as well, that people just search this little thing. And other than it's a carpet python. Well, I've never seen that colour before. Click on that. What is it? Have a quick search around on Google. You can find them and let someone else in there keep the carpet pythons. Yeah. That's awesome. I can only see it growing up, but not. I love that answer. That's a good answer. We never find the guy who says, going down. He does. He's never done that. Anyway, and now if you could work with any species without restrictions that is legal or financial, what would it be and why? Well, about marital. What? Well, about marital restrictions. Oh, yeah. More marital restrictions. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to keep, I'd love to keep ruffles, writers. Ruffles, writers. Ruffles, writers. Wow. They're obviously, they're not, they're not illegal. They're not anything, but they feel me. But you feel me? They've got any. Wow. Yeah. I look at them and they're just beautiful. They really are. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I look at them and they're just beautiful. They really are. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's why we get somebody who wants to get on the venomous route. Yeah. Cool. All right. I'll take off, I'll take off, I'll take off, I'll kill myself with him. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I always feel. It's like, I'd love. Cobers look great. You know what? I died. Yeah. And now if you could go herping in anywhere on the planet, where would you go and why? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Without Australia. Literally a decent pair of boots, backpack, and enough water to see me around. I would just walk from one side to the other and then back again. Two thousand sequins. Two thousand sequins. For the official carpet. I'm really playing on a radio trip to Australia. Yeah. I don't know when in 2016, but 2016, damn it. So. Oh, it's happening. It's happening. It's happening. Oh, thanks if I have to. I don't care if I have to catch up my 401k one way or another. I will put myself in a crate and ship myself there. So done. Anyway. Good. Sorry. All right. Now, if anybody wants to get in touch with you about, you know, talking inland, uh, partially doing all that stuff, how would they do that? That's where he's on Facebook. I'm literally on there with Tim Tyndall and you'll see me anywhere. Just posting in there. I am on a couple forums as well as the IRF UK forum over here in the UK. And the buffer breeders club as well. I'll put up every now and again on and be the best, the better way. And I'll get back to you more or less straight away with that. Oh. Awesome. Very cool. So, um, I'm going to hide my wallet from myself. We've now done a show on England and I don't have it. So, um, but do you want them yet? Oh, I kind of do. I mean, this is a problem. It's like, I sent a few shows ago that I might want them. And then Justin drew lander messages. He goes, Oh, really? I'm like, oh, no. Yeah. See feet and stuff just in that mail that was all them fed it out on the side. They got one of them. Hey, Rick. Yeah. Yeah. Good thing you said. I know if I'm patient, eventually Eric would just make what I want. And I could just go over there and like take it from it and then be with that consequences later. So. Yeah. Oh, and it was funny. It was funny to him where I was at home and the other day. You know, we're sitting there. We're talking and whatnot. And, uh, I forget what we were talking about, but he, he said something. So, um, you think that you would want to get rid of your caramel head. Oh, fine. Oh, I didn't do. That was never said. I mean, I had people who can confirm that if you and I, and I call you a wire, sir. Oh, wait a minute. No. Where is Cohen? And what did you do with? Who are you and what you done with the real Owen? Yeah, it was that, it was that moment. So. And then, and then I like to do myself like I'm seeing scar wars. And I'm like the emperor there. And I'm like, really? Yeah. Yeah. You've won him all the farther than that. Yep. Well, that's out of the bag now. So. Yeah. I would like. Oh, and I would like inland. The problem is that there are a few other things that are moving around. And I'm watching because I know of potentially three people. You know who you are people. Who might have rough scales this year. And I'm watching them because I'm waiting. And I need some females. So can I swear to God, if like the second, I don't know if Shane knows this. But the second he posts pictures of them pipping, I may break down his door. So I mean, like that, I might just be, I might just be there with a lot of cash. So it's like, I'm hoping that somebody is pumping this year. So. I'm glad me for the rough scales, everything I've seen on them that they're just screaming to make. They really are. They just look so cold. And yeah. Go because they're rather than there. It's funny because I have the two. And for a while, they looked exactly alike. And now my male, my one male is like just getting a lot. Like he just shed and he's looking a lot darker and a lot more brown and a lot different. And it's like, it's funny because a couple, a couple of months ago, he put his tooth through his own gum. And had like, action in there. And I'm like, you stupid bastard. You can't even put your teeth away the right way. So it's like I had to fish him out and clean him between his teeth and make sure his mouth stayed nice. But go and try to work around those fish hooks that they have in their mouths are ridiculous. But he's fine. He's good now. But it was just awesome. I don't know. I love him. So yeah, I hope they've had that restriction for Australia. So I can get like 12. So yeah, but they're all the same. They're not that genetically different. I don't care. I don't care. There are enough different. Yeah, there are enough different for me. I don't know the difference. They're one of those species that I, well, I think it was. I can't remember what carpet best it was, but Julie brought them. And yeah, they were like, wow, these are the rough scales. The little one, the baby they should have told Mike. I just told my kidney and let them get loose. I mean, oh. Yeah. And then, I don't know. I always, you know, what I was doing with me with the inland is the same thing I did with Nick and Paul with the rough scales. I figure, oh, what am I in a rush for? These guys will breed them and I'll just get them from that, you know? So it's like, oh, wait. And wait. And I'm headed by Nick. Did you breed them? No, they won't breed. I'm sending one of my boys to Nick so that we can probably try to get something to your gut damage. Yeah. Cause I've been waiting for Nick too. It's like, I need girls. I only have two males. And they're not going to do anything. Well, that's a big mistake. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. Trust me. They got here and I'm like, let's, please God, please God damn it. Please God damn it. Yeah. I mean, it's like. Yeah. And then the, the year that Nick, well, actually the year I was going to get him, Nick said that, you know, his weren't, he was weren't old enough. But he was going to try it and get the win, but it ended up that it didn't work out. So I thought, yeah, well, I'll just get him from Paul. But apparently there's some kind of problem with the paperwork where they're coming over into the state. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, God. Really? I don't think we can get any back. I don't think we can get any over here either. I know what Paul was about. It's the only legal, well, there's a, there's someone else in Germany who's got a pair that were brought in illegally. The German government busted the shipment and this breeder, Mark Mendes, I think it is, is something in with the German government. And he's actually got them, but he's got a clause in where he's keeping them. The, the original animals, a property of the German government, but he can sell any offspring. I love that. There's only two people in the Hall of Euro who've legally got rough scale. Wow. Good definition to be in if you're those guys, but... Yeah. Oh, yeah. You've got to be them guys, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah, I'm glad that, that worked out for Paul that way, because that puts him in a good, good seat. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, Tim, thanks for staying up late and... Sorry. Thank you for having me. Of course. Absolutely. And hopefully, you know, we wish you the best success with, with your inwins. And I would suggest you going over and checking out, you know, Tim's post that he puts up on Facebook. He has some awesome pictures. You can check out the Inland Facebook group too, most of them are over there. And, you know, I'm just, like you, I'm trying to get some exposure to these cool carpet pythons and get people into them. I think they'll be quite happy with them if they do. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Awesome. Thank you, sir. Oh, thank you, sir. Appreciate it. No, thank you very much. We'll see you today. Okay. Bye-bye. Have a good night. All right. Oh, well, it feels like it's 8.30 now here. All right. So weird. I should get ready now. It's, like, that's weird. I don't know. Yeah. That's weird. Yeah. My adrenaline is kicking in now, because usually about a quarter of it's like, you know, I have a coffee and get, you know, pumped up for the show and ready. And now I'm like, you know, rare. What you guys don't know is that before Eric gets on, he actually does an entire speedball of heroin and then gets on the show and just goes. Oh, yeah. That's your passion. No. Oh. So before we had off, I'm going to, I know we didn't do really updates at the beginning of the show because we didn't. It's been an angle of stuff. But, yeah, I had another clutch. And then finally, I got some citrus tigers. Distract tigers. Can I ask for you to push the applause button? Yeah. I'm not by the computer, so I can't ask. Damn it. Opportunity missed. This has been years in the making. I think the first couple years, I really kind of bred what I had to. To get some of the recessive morphs into that line. So this year, I'm just breeding. What I did is I outcrossed him. In his act. By his. He had a Ted Thompson tiger. Which is really. And I think he, did he breed him to high Queensland, high contrast Queensland? He, they say he says he did. He says he did. And then he also picked up a few from Outback, which are untraceable. But, yeah, I believe the really good looking ones were from the high comparing. It depends on what years that got it, really. But, yeah, most of it was high comparing. Yeah, I believe that that's what this was. Because actually, I remember back when I was first getting into carpets. And I was walking around, I was walking around hampering with, with, with my dad. And we were both amazed at these tiger carpets that Ted had on his, he had like one of those towers. And they were just kind of chilling there. And they were, they were really, really nice tigers. It's weird. They probably passed you at a hamburger. Yeah, I know. It's like crazy. Yeah. And 3D. All world. So, yeah, Zach actually had fought this animal with the idea of one day doing that. And then I guess, you know, space and limitations. He passed that female along to me with the hopes that that would happen. So, you know, I... Beautiful question. There also was the problem of that when the hike, when the, um, bitches tigers came out, somebody bought all of them. So, it was kind of hard for others to, you know, do other breeding projects. Because somebody bought all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know who that guy is, but... Yeah, I don't know who that guy is. I know that, I know that, uh, I know Will has done some jag bearings with them. Yeah. And they turned out pretty cool. My idea has always never been to take it to jags because... I don't know. I just... I think it would be cool, I guess, eventually when you get to, like, that really reduced jag pattern. But to me, it's all about that, that... Strike. Yeah. Strike. With the yellow stripe. With that charcoal gray outline that they have. So... It's just gonna be nuts. But anyway, I've read that female, that Ted Thompson female. Which I think if you go over to my Facebook page, Zach posted up what she looked like when she was younger. Because she, even though she just laid a clutch, I know you... I think it was you that said this as we were talking. The female laid eggs and you're kind of... She looks like she's in great shape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she didn't lose... she barely lost anyway, but she ate four times after she came up. And it was just like, it was always that situation of I had a medium wrap that nobody wanted to eat. And she was sitting by the front of her cage. So I'm like, there you go, honey. And she just took it. Right. And the last one, she ate. And she ate it, like, two weeks before she was where she laid. And I was so freaking worried. I'm like, oh my God, she's still eating. She'd never stopped eating. And she's never gonna lay. But those lumps I see in her are clearly just rats. And then she drops like poor snakes. And I'm like, well, all right then. And she looks good. Like, I'm falling out for her now, which is out of habit. Because I always try to feed the females that, you know, had babies. Quickly, even though it's not a feed day today. She still looks fine. She's curled up with some good. So... And this is her second year in a row. Well, that's cool. Yeah. This female, she looks great. And I bred her with my favorite male, Satch. Satch! Oh, no, Satch Babies. Oh, crap. Yeah. Yes, this is gonna be a stellar clutch for sure. It's 11 eggs. I may buy Satch Babies, you know. You can watch me cross Satch into, like, every other thing I got here. And be like, why, oh, and why. Why did you do it? Why? Why would you do that? You hoard up my project. You ruined it, my beautiful bloodline. Yeah. So, yeah, I got that. So this is probably this year's shaping up to be my best. Big year for you. Look at that. Yeah, I got to do it. It's a six. It's gonna be a total of seven. And the last one, I have my caramel zebra female. She just went into a pre-light. And she was bred with a super caramel jag. No, super caramel zebra jag. Super caramel zebra jag. So did you get all the clutches you were hoping for this year? The only one I did, which was kind of the one that I was really kind of looking forward to, was the zebra het granite to granite jag. And I'm still on the side. The zebra het granite is a female, right? Yeah. I'll send you a granite male. He's coming. Oh. There you go. So, yeah, I'm pretty excited about this year. The first baby should be popping out right before carpet fest. Oh, my God. So... You're climbing. Yeah. Four timing. If it's in it, you got to be a carpet fest while they're, you know, matching. No, it'll be before. So, it's the sun glow clutch. So, hopefully, hopefully I hit some odds there and get some nice sun glows and, you know, you can pass that female along for you now. So, so... Nick, thank you, you bastard. No, I'm so... Nick. Nick. Thank you, but you did come to be here. Are you done after this, after your seventh culture think you got no more coming? Well, I still have those. I have three that I'm on the fence with still. I got the double het. I don't know, man. You know, I'm kind of getting to the point now where I can kind of look at the female and see she's grabbing it. So, I'm on the fence with her. She was broken up. Okay. I know Jack. So, hopefully, I should have some double het snows and double het snows. Jack's double het snows. But I'm not sure with that. And then, what's the other one? Oh, I breadth the Jack had axanic to the, to my valent tiger. Because I don't know, actually, I was going to hit on this. You know what? I'll leave that for next show because... We'll talk about later. Yeah, we'll talk about that next week. We got... We got the next week. No. Jack, it's just, it's just a... Yeah. So... But the... So, yeah, I mean... Good season. You still got a few on the fence. I mean, it's funny because I'm sitting here and you're like, "Oh, he's got seven." Oh, shit. I kind of have a really low here compared to that. I'm like, "Oh, wait, no. Two rattles. One coastal. One... Two jungles. I'm like, you're... We're not done yet. So, it's like... It's almost like I'm... I'm still breeding right now. So, it's like, I guess I'm doing real late, which would be funny. Plus, I forgot the two layers of boas because that's happening. And I know what I'm doing there. Nice. No. So... Well, I'm a carpet boy. It's not a breeder. Oh, my God! I'm a carpet boy. It's not a breeder. I know it's a carpet boy, but I don't. Why are all the boas breeding? So, um... I'm kicking the ball and going home. I am going to take my ball and go home. It's funny because we're at that point now where I'm, where so many carpets are gone. From, uh, the for sale babies. It's like I have a bunch of brettles. I have some tigers. I have some jags. And then I have some Dominican boas. So, it's like... We're getting to the point where the boa is slowly outnumbering the amount of different types of carpets I have. Like, I have more Dominican boas than I do jackwars. Right now. For sale. Wow. It's weird. Yeah. So, we'll see how that rolls, but it's like... I'm still waiting for the brettles. I'm still waiting for everything else to go. And I think my jag female is going into her pre-lay shed. And she was bred to my zebra jag male. So, you know... Maybe I'll hatch the first living loose cystic. [laughter] Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. See the problem. All of our listeners. Yeah. The problem is if I did, I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I'd be like, some of a bitch, you're like contradicting me by being alive, you little bastard. So... I probably have to kill it. I hope you died. Why are you still alive? [laughter] Yeah. That would be some irony. [clears throat] Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. It worked out well for me because now I'm going to start to have my 2014 animals really gone through and probably going to start to put them up for sale. So... [laughter] Right in time for... That's what you've been here. It's time to sell the 14 animals. Uh, well... Which is consistent. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't know. Well, I guess I would say if that if you're interested in anything sorry, if I don't find myself... Should we stop the people now and tell them that you're probably not selling anything from poison ivy? Oh, yeah. That's... That's not going to happen. What's happening with that question is that it's so hard to tell what's going on. I mean, Jake Milbert... Milbert, he produced poison ivy. And when she was born, when she matched, there were normal looking ivy. Yes. So... It'd be funny and I'd be really interested to see. You know, because there's like three or four other really dark ivy females in the country. I would almost wonder if you could trace it all the way back to Jake. I would almost bet that you can. I would say so too. If you could make the most sense. You would never be able to prove it, but it would almost... I would almost say that you would have to... It would be very similar. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's just too similar. Especially there's two of them I can think of. Yeah. In particular. But I don't know. It's very possible. And then... So here's the deal with that. So you can clear... They're about to all just... I once did a photo shoot with them, but they're all in shit. So it's like I was going back and forth on whether or not I should take a photo shoot or not. So I figured I'd take the pictures so I have them. So that I can look at them to see what they look before they shed and then after they shed. There's a couple different things going on. Some of them... I mean, they all look like... They all kind of look like normal eye jays as far as none of them are black, you know? But what I do notice is that I did some macro shots and I noticed this on... Somebody has a poison ID jag because when Kurt first bred her, the year before he sold her to me, he bred her to a jag. And when I told him what the jag is, yeah, I didn't understand that pairing. But hey, if he eats his own, you know what I mean? You do you, boo-boo. Yeah, that's right. You see these black scales come in as the animals on the shore. So is it something like the IMG in boas where as the animal ages, the melanin comes in? Is it something to where it's a recessive? Well, wouldn't it even be recessive? It would be like an incomplete dominant where you think it's recessive because what would be the... For lack of reptile hobby terms, the codon of it or the jag wire of it, you know? Yeah. It's not really extreme, but when you breed that back to the... Like if I bred the male back to poison ID, then I wonder if you would see an all black or a super form of that gene. I don't know. There's two of them. That's what we're trying for you. Yeah, there's two of them in particular if you look at them. And I do have a picture of the one, and I did post it up. I wanted to see if anybody noticed it. But again, it's so hard to tell when you're not comparing it to another one. But it almost looks like... Think of a ball python like an orange ghost. Can you think of that? I'll pretend I know what that looks like. Okay, so if you pretend what that looks like, you see the same sort of like look in a... I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's anything. I hope that it is. It would be pretty cool. It would be nice. Clearly, if you look at the parents... Yeah, clearly if you look at the parents, clearly they are as black as she is. So, was it the fact that those two parents spread together and then you've got what that is? I mean, I don't want to go and sell babies because they don't turn out to be... You know what I mean? Let's go up and be normal I.J. Yeah. Well, not only that, I don't want to breed them. I don't want to sell them and then they turn out to be poison ivy. You know what I mean? Mmm, turn out to be yeah. So... Oh yeah. Layers are more to the extreme or sellers are more to the extreme. Well, post-do, if it's a new... I mean, this is why I always talk to people, especially like when we had Jay on. Like, how do you manage that like a new project that pops up? I mean, that's kind of like why I listen to a lot of royal python breeders. Because I try to get a feel for it like what do you do when you have something like this pop-up? How do you manage that project? How do you make sure that, you know, you keep the value to that project, you know? Or if you just go and sell all these normals, and even if you sell them off as normals and they don't... I mean, if you're buying it from me, you know that's what I produced this year. It's not like I could... I mean, I guess I could wholesale them. Yeah. I don't know. I digress. No more. Anyway, let's wrap this up. Wrap it all up. So, we're wrapping up right when we probably should be getting started. Hurray! That's right. Next week, it's just going to be me and Owen. So, if you have some questions or something you want to talk about in particular, you can call in. You can post up your question or whatever over on the Facebook page. You know, whatever you like. But we have some topics to talk about. And then the week after that, it's Derek Roddy's coming back. Nice! Yeah, he's going to be talking blackheads. He has got some cool carpet fights on projects this year. He's got IJ jungles and such. I wanted to touch a little bit on some of the other things that he does, like Dumels Boas. I don't know if you've seen Dumels Boas, but they're probably the nicest ones in the country. And they're freaking gorgeous. That's awesome. He also messes around with Rainbow Boas, which when I was younger, that was always a species that I was very interested in. I'd like to say if you have them, yeah, I'd always like to hear about how you keep them. Because, I don't know, in my mind, I still think of them as a more difficult species to keep. And of course, of course, we'll be talking, Derek did an interview on reptile radio maybe a month ago. And they have a shorter show. They were having quite a cool conversation about just the reptile hobby in general and some thoughts and whatnot. So I always enjoy talking to Derek about those kind of things. Plus, he's a freaking cool guy. So, yeah, we got that. Let's see. So, MariahPitesOnRadio.com. If you want to get in touch with us about something, you can e-mail it at info@MariahPitesOnRadio.com. You can like our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter. We also have MariahPik of the Week. So if you want to go check out some cool carpet pythons or some of the cool people in the carpet pythons community, as well as chondros and other stuff, but check out MariahPik of the Week. We have carpet fest coming May 30th. The Northeast edition looks for the auction. We're going to start taking donations real soon. So if you have something that you think that people might want, you want to contribute to the cause for U.S. Arc and the legal defense fund by all means. You know, about that. It seems like the whole hype has kind of died down. Would you agree? What hype about? Like, you know how everybody was like, you know, on Facebook, like the day after the band went in place. Everybody was like, "Ah, you know, this is bullshit. You don't see anything anymore." That's kind of my question when it comes to that shit. But I know we're kind of in a lull, but it's kind of like, I don't know. Now would be the time to do it. It's like, listen, guys, buy a damn t-shirt and the money you can go into. It's not going to carpets, it's going directly to U.S. Arc. So the day after carpets, that should probably be Tuesday because then we're going to do that and we're going to do that. The Tuesday after carpets best, when I finally get a chance to breathe, is when we're just going to directly donate that money straight to U.S. Arc, the entire amount. So, you know, if you really want to support and you really want to see, you know, if you want to contribute somehow to the lawsuit against the, with those animals back on, I think that's animals, all dangerous species act. It's simple, 20 bucks for a t-shirt. You don't even have to come to Carpafest. Just 20 bucks for a t-shirt, there you go. You're good. You need to wear it. I know some people are making them decorations. What? You get a cool t-shirt and that money goes to U.S. It's a damn cool t-shirt. It's a no-brainer. And look at this way. If you can't afford a Darwin albino, you can wear one. Yeah, it's true. I don't know. I just was a little disappointed, I guess, maybe, with the original count on the t-shirts and then the turnaround that people were asking that they didn't get them. Oh, yeah, I have a list of people who demanded that I reopen the booster. And if you don't buy your t-shirts, I'm going to hunt you down. Just so everyone knows. I mean, I don't know. To me, I know times it's like with people and why not, you know, I know that. It's 20 bucks, so get out on Starbucks and pack a lunch. And now you can buy a t-shirt. But you're buying something and then that money is going to -- so you're killing two birds with one stuff, so to speak. You're getting something cool and then the money goes to U.S.R. It's kind of a no-brainer. And I want to say that there's three away from the minimum. Okay, that's good. But get out there and buy a shirt, man. Come on. Damn it. Do it. Anyway. Right now. So we've got that going on. If you want more information, follow Carpeth Fest on the Facebook page. That encompasses all of the Carpeth Fest that are going around right now. Like Owen said, there's the -- What in every corner? Yeah, that's pretty much it. So you got all those going on. As we get closer to those guys, dates, which I think we're about a month away from the northeast one and then probably two months away from the south west one. So stay tuned for that. And we'll -- as those dates approach. And we're going to send Eric to all of them. He's like our official mascot. So, yeah, I'm really trying to secure -- I guess the next one coming up is the one in a prehistoric patch. So I'm really trying to secure that. I know I got tickets are kind of like up and down. But we'll see. Maybe I can sell a nice pet out there. Maybe. Let's see. So, yeah, we got that. I also -- I'm not going to -- I'm not going to talk about that. Yup, never mind. Moving on. Skip. Now for something completely different. Let's see. And then -- so we talked about Carpeth Fest. We got Morely Python on the radio. And then I guess the only other thing that I have is E.B. Morelia. If you have a question or are you looking for something in particular, you can e-mail me at Eric@e-b-morelia.com. I will be with Owen this Saturday at Hamburg. Oh, damn. I guess really I'm going to really be -- I work in his table, but if there's something in particular that you want or interested in, you know, I can bring it out and deliver it there. Yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately, there is a rogue handling charge in that sense. So, you know, it's -- That's rogue handling charge. It's called Morelia Python radio. So, you should -- Right, right, right, right. Two K. So, yeah. Stop on by. Say hello. And it would be cool to meet you guys and hang out with people we already know and look forward to it. And it should be cool. And I'm going to try to sell Owen's snakes. Yeah, I'm right. And then Owen can walk around the show and he'll be disappearing all the time. It would be great, yeah. And, you know, look at it. I've got rhino rat snakes. Stop it. No, that can't happen. You've got to stop. You've got to stop. No, 'cause you think -- I thought to Ben a little bit ago, and he's like, "Oh, I'm going to do a hamburger." I'm like, "No, you can't bet. You have anyone suits. You can't put him in the room near me right now." Oh, cool. What? Ben's coming up. Oh, no. He said he might, but he's not coming up for anyone any time soon. He's thinking he's bouncing on the idea of bending another hamburger show. And I think it would be cool. So, maybe, maybe not. I think his wife just wants to get away for a vacation again. So, anyway, I digress. What we got going on over here. Rogue has two clutches on the ground, red tiger jags and caramel tiger jags in the incubator. And we are almost out of babies when it comes to everything for the 2014. I have a caramel jag, a caramel, and a super caramel jag out of the caramel stuff. And then I have maybe one or two tigers, some breadels, and some jags. And that's it. We're bare bones over here. So, this amber show might maybe look pretty pathetic. And, of course, we've been emitting red mountain bones. I have six to bring. Stop it. If you aren't doing anything, it drops the line. We'll catch you up. Also, if you want to get on the list of any of these things that we have. The question we currently have, you can definitely put on the contact list. We do not take deposits until babies are born. And other than that, I got, oh, Hamburg will be this Saturday. So, we'll see everyone at the Hamburg reptile show. We are usually down the alley from Matt Minitola. So, if you see him, just going to look around and you'll see us. And this is when I debut the brand new logo for Rogue Reptiles for the first time at a show. It's going to be awesome. Cool. Hold on, Matt, give a shout out to Matt. We have to give a shout out to Matt. If you guys listen out there, which I can tell from the numbers from Lon Show, we got a lot of blood python fans out there. You blood python people are coming. Yeah. Bloods and short tails. So, if you're into those and you want some cool blood pythons and short tails, you should check out what Matt's got going on. Billy Herb will be a hamburg. I don't know if you saw some of the cool stuff that he put up. I think he's got a snail going on until Friday. At the moment, yeah. I'm sure you give him the money to deliver it at Hamburg. So, check it out. Definitely. Facebook pages, Billy Herb. Right? Yep. Yeah, Billy Herb. And then Jason Bailin and how a running will be there. So, Matt Coler. So, I think that's all the Morelia heads at the show there. So, it's starting to really kind of move into a wonderful show. Eric Coler. Eric Coler. Eric Coler. Wow. That was weird. Anyway. So, it's going to be a good show. If you can make it at the Hamburg, please do come out and chat. It's going to be fun. Other than that, the only thing I will have to say is buy a damn P-shirt and also thank you for stopping by and we will catch you all next week for some more Morelia Python radio. Good night. Hey, Chad Brown here. You may remember me as a linebacker in the NFL or as a reptile breeder and the owner of Projox. I've been hurtful since I was a boy and I've dedicated my life to advancing the industry and educating the community about the importance of reptiles. I also love to encourage the joy of breathing and keeping reptiles as a hobbyist which is why my partner Robin and Markland and I create the reptile report. The reptile report is our online news aggregation site bringing the most up-to-date discussions from the reptile world. Visit the reptilereport.com every day to stay on top of the latest reptile news and information. 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In this episode we are joined by Tim Tindle to talk about a subject he is very passionate about, Inalnd carpet pythons. We will be discussing this species and really hitting on what makes these carpets so cool.