Morelia Python Radio

Tinley Park review and other happenings in the world of Morelia.

In this episode Owen returns from his weekend at the NARBC and will be giving us the inside scoop. So if you weren't able to make it out then this is your front row seat to what happended. We will hit on some of the updates from USARK and we will also introduce a new segment talking about some of the Hall of Fame carpet pythons.

Duration:: 2h 40m
Broadcast on:: 18 Mar 2015
Audio Format:: other

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But Owen, how was Tinley Park? Oh, you know, boring and not fun at all. And I would not encourage anybody at all to go. I mean, wow. That was awesome. It was fantastic. I mean, the only problem I found is that the state of Indiana is flat, has no trees. And I swear to God, his major export is the things they use to water fields and tow behind terribans. Because if I pack another tow behind terriban factory or dealership, I was going to lose my mind. Anyway. [Music] Yeah, that's the only thing I don't like about Tinley. I just sort of got the only downside. We arrived. Andrew and I got the VIP ticket, which means we're glad to get in on Friday. So we got in on Friday. We were wandering around, checking out some things, talking to a few people. And it's funny because Andrew suffers from the same thing that you and I suffered. He's known people for years online and never met them face to face. So, you know, he's posing for pictures with people who, you know, are other monitor people like him and have no idea that they've never met. You know, I, of course, wander over and hang out with Bailin and Howard as they set up their table and go with that. Todd, as well as Carrie from psychotic exotics were there. I didn't get to see a dash from ship your reptile. I kept meeting you over there, but I kept getting distracted by shining things. So, but they were there as well. It was one of those things where it was, you know, there were far too many people to meet Chris B. Hoff for the first time I met him. And we'll never be the same. Did he troll you in person? He tried. I swear to Christ, he tried. And it's just so weird to actually put, like, have people in front of you that you've known for so long or had known out for so long? Where it's like, "Chris, be up. I'll be taller." Well, there's nothing wrong with him. It was just, you know, he should be taller. And yeah, I could over that for a little bit. So, you know, it's... Oh, and you were the only giant in the world of Moralea. I mean, you're the... Apparently I am. What did you believe for? Yeah. So, but it was definitely cool. I met Solana, and she was picking up some cool carpet pythons from what I saw. And it was just a good time. So, Friday was pretty much me. It's whatever. Andrew and I went back to the hotel. We met up with Baelin and Howard a little later, grabbed some dinner at Tribes, and then went... And they went back to bananas to sack out or to, you know, drink. And Andrew and I just went back to the hotel and passed out, because we had been up. Andrew and I left here at two in the morning in order to get there. So, we were tired. So, I hadn't slept. I didn't sleep in 24 hours. I had not slept in 24 hours. And Andrew was running off of like two hours, one hour of sleep. So, we fucked up anyway. Saturday we wake up, and because we had the VIP badges, which, by the way, if you are ever going to 10-week, spring for the extra money for the VIP badge, it's $50 each. But you get in on Friday when no one else goes, and you get in two hours early on Saturday and Sunday. So, if you're going there for shopping purposes, it is the thing you could do. So, Andrew and I get in. We did not get in the two hours early, because we didn't see the point. So, Andrew wanted to sleep, so he ended up going in 10-hour early. Walk around. I was a tad disappointed with the selections. Just because I was hoping for something a little bit more exotic. There were a lot of things that taught my eye that I don't ever see at like a Hamburg show or a White Plane show. A lot of things that would just pop out to me. It wasn't that much. I mean, to be honest, there was probably enough for other people, but there was a pair of rhino rat snakes, which were awesome, but they were cute. And then there was, oh my God, I'm forgetting his name, but I had a long discussion with him. It was the guy who came up to us at when we were there in October and said that I need to stop picking on you for being a hobbit, because you and him are the exact same height and all that other stuff. I spoke with him, and he had an albino olive on his table. I sent you pictures of that one. But he was the one he came over and he's like, "Did you leave the hobbit behind?" And I go, "Unfortunately, I love when people ask questions like where you are, because I just make shit up." You leave the hobbit at home and I go, "Well, unfortunately, Eric got business cards and a new logo, and he's increasingly becoming more and more high-end." And unfortunately now, he's too high-end, particularly. There are no clothes that contain them. You're a dick. Yeah, well, yes, I promise. I said something like, I could have made it out of the shire or something. I can't remember what it's like. Unfortunately, there's a wall in Vienna that is about trash tight for everybody. They have to climb over it. Eric can't get over the hobbit. I don't leave him. Yeah, poor guy. Why is I told? Yeah, I mean, you're at the bottom of it well. I thought you were going to make up something cool, like, you know, Eric's in really in the secret service, and he's, you know, CI. Yeah, yeah. You can't call the way. No, you don't get anything that cool. I keep telling people that, like, you're trapped in a well. You can't get to him. The fire department's getting you down. You know, I think they tell people when they ask you where you are. So that's nice. None of them are the truth. You know, it's good to know that people were at least, you know, Karen, where I was. Wiring about you. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. The main question I got is why I didn't bring any of my guys. They're like, where's your table? I'm like, don't have one. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this before you go on. What was it? What was it like to go? To Tinley Park? I mean, so this is the second time you've been to Tinley Park. What was it like being a, what would you call it? A civilian as opposed to a vendor? The problem is that it's not the civilian that we remember. You know, because I know people behind tables. I can stand behind tables and talk with people. I can open up containers. I was popping around all over the place. I was running to get food because no some people didn't want to leave their tables. It's like it wasn't the civilian go to a snake show that I remember when I was a civilian going to a snake show. It's a different creature. But it was kind of weird. It was because everybody was like, oh, I got to get in and check on the animals. But then I corrected that problem awfully quick on Saturday. What? Checking on animals? Oh, yeah. I didn't have any animal to check on until after Saturday. It's crazy. I went back and researched this. And it seems that we do a show on an animal that you don't have. And then like the following weekend, you have it. Did that take you like 20 minutes? I mean, yeah, so what did you pick up? You picked up 1.1 diamond pythons from Carrie King and Todd. And they're from Gary's. Yeah. Just nice. Yeah. I'm going to pick the parents very soon. But I figured I'll give Todd time to detox. So, you know, he had a party. Oh, my God. We'll get to that in a second. But the, there was, I told you, there was nothing at the show. It was nothing at the show. And I was kind of disappointed. All Friday, there was nothing like, because I was expecting to have that one pair of that. Like, again, October, when they were the rhino rat thing. They had that one couple, those animals that I'm like, who I want, who I want, who I want, who I want them to have that. And I didn't have that on Friday. And I was a little disappointed. So then Saturday, the reason I didn't have that on Friday is because Todd didn't set up because the airport lost his box of Norelia because Todd flies and then he shifts his reptiles through himself. And he keeps his displays at a nearby friend's house. So, Todd wasn't set up on Friday. His box arrived, I want to say close to nine o'clock. He didn't even get them in, he got them in the building, but that was it, before they closed the doors. So, Saturday rolls around. And, you know, I go walking around, and Todd has set up all his Norelia. Oh my god, it's, you know, there are super, there are super zebra jags, super zebra zebra's, super zebra's head examic, zebra's head examic, there's albinos, albinos zebra's, there's a bunch of stuff, oh my god. And on the top row there are four diamond pythons. And I'm like, oh cool, I've seen diamond pythons before. And then the one female just catches my eye, like, oh my god, she's got a very bold, kind of, a lot of yellow pattern on her head. And I see that immediately and I'm like just, I'm caught with it. And I'm pretty sure I stayed at the table staring at it for like 20 minutes until Todd's like, you know, so you like diamond pythons and then I'm like, ah, ah, and I rest. So, it's nice. And then I come back around and I'm like, I've done talking at Todd, and I'm timing, but everyone's watching and over. So, and then I finally just go, alright, because these things, when I left the first time, because I'm like, diamond pythons are nice, I go over and that is the exact long thing that we all do as herpers. I go over to a friend of mine and I go, should I get the diamonds? Should I get the diamonds? So the problem is I went to Howard Redding and I said, should I get the diamonds? And he goes, yeah, do it. So then every time I saw him now, the rest of it, he goes, did you get diamond pythons yet? Did you buy the diamonds yet? Did you buy the diamonds yet? I'm like, ah. So, and it eventually became too, like, imagine having two Howard Reddings on your shoulder. And each one is just saying, buy the diamonds. And then having a large Howard Redding, screaming at you to buy the diamonds. And you know what, diamond. That might be too much Howard Redding. It's a little bit of an overload. So, I'm walking around with Mike. The Gola, I can't pronounce his last name unfortunately, because I'm stupid. But, and he and I were talking about the diamonds as well as a bunch of other stuff because he's got a few carpet projects and he's trying to bounce off me and I'm bouncing above him. And I go up to Andrew and I'm like, I'm thinking about the diamond pythons and he goes, do it. Buy him. Because you know what, I'm not going to listen to you the entire ride home going to the diamond pythons. I shoot about the diamond pythons. If you don't buy the diamond, pick your ass. Like, well, okay then. So, I go over and I spend 10 minutes talking to Todd again and it's over. It's done. I mean, he did what everybody does. He goes over and I'm like, can I talk to you about the diamonds and he unlocked all the displays. So, it's like, oh my god damn it. This is how people feel at amber. So, you know, it was one of those things where I got him in my hand and I was toast and it was done. And I am getting really happy with them. Yeah, when you were coming back, you stopped by here and I get to see them and yeah, they're very nice. Very, very nice. I'm glad that you took the leap. I'm surprised. I'm really, I just never saw you with diamonds, but. Well, to be completely honest, I was hoping there would be a pair of inland because I was probably going to take the leap into inland if they had been there. But what was there were diamond pythons and I'm like, see, I've always considered diamond pythons to be just so far out of my league, it's ridiculous. They're too high-end for you, my friend. The problem is that I got this new logo from Zach and it's a lot like. And now you're high-end? It was done by, you know, the same guy who did my logo, did the most high-end logo I've ever seen. Yo, man, if you want to, you want the good logo, you got to go to the good logo maker, man. I mean, you know, you got to seek a male high-end. That's something. That's how we roll. We'll get to that too, because clothing has arrived as well as the new tablecloth. So. Look at you. Look at you. No way, good night. Let me ask you this question because I was listening to a GTP Keeper radio the other day. And I know you had told me this when, when you were there, we were, you know, messaging back and forth. And you had said that there was no Condro breeders. I didn't see anybody. No. I mean, there was a few Condros on people's table. All right. I didn't see anybody who I would have pegged as a Condro breeder. And that surprises me because of how well Condros seemed to do at the October show. Yeah, we were right next to talk work and they were doing great. Yeah. I couldn't see them there. Nothing. I mean, it is quite a haul. I guess. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. It just seems. Hold on. You think a lot of being told the March show isn't as big as the October. Now. When people say that, I'm expecting foot traffic. It's going to be not that big. Because traffic is not back that big, the vendors aren't there. There was the same amount of people, if not more, than the October show, in my opinion. That place was packed from when the doors opened to when they were throwing people out at the end of the day. So let's ask this question. Were people spending? Were they buying stuff? Yes. Oh, yeah. There's stuff. How about as far as, well, there's a couple of things that I was thinking. I wasn't sure how the band, you know, the Lacy Act thing affected. Were people there. Like, I kind of thought that maybe people would rush out and they would just buy reticks. The majority of the show was ball python and retick. I'll tell you that right now. Okay. There were some booths that were kind of cool and small. I'm crushed. It was there with his albino iguanas. You know, and of course we had the carpet tables. And then we had some monitor guys and some gecko people. And there were a lot of dry good vendors. About three or four. I did run into Peter Birch at Brian Bartick's table. Okay. He was hilarious. He and I talked like an hour. Yeah, he's a funny guy. And then, you know, I said hi to Brian. He's going to be, he's going to be coming on the show, right? I don't know. No, no, no, no. Honest to God, we've had to because. Yeah. Algan was just far too much fun. And it was, it was nice seeing the Australian perspective on a, the recent bands, as well as they are not having an easy go in Australia right now. When it comes to legislation and rules being passed for items. Because not only do they have the licensed tiered system, now they're getting into the state, the states of Australia are starting to pass restrictions on caging. And what he was telling me, the restriction for carpet python is the KHSB six foot tall. And then a couple of feet wide. For one carpet python. Wow. And during breeding seasons, the cage has double in size in order to have two animals inside of it. So does that mean you need both the feet? Wow. That's great. Well, I think Europe has the same type of cage requirements. They require a little bit larger cage. So it, but it's, and apparently they can have somebody from, I guess, the interior or something like that can just knock on your door at any moment, any time. And say he's going to come in and see the animals. And if you say no, he comes back with the cops in the search warrant. And if you let him in, he finds up. He breaks you up the citation and the bill walks out the door. Ha. Yeah. Wow. Crazy listening back stuff. But then he had some other fun things. He said that he could give me three pairs of rough scale pythons. But they, you know, I could buy them from him. But then getting them out of Australia was my problem. Ha. And he also said that he could be 13, too. Oh, yeah. Just doing a book. You know, you get a free rough scale python with, you know, like you, I asked him and he said that he gave you two. Oh, my God. And I wasn't going down without you. Well, it's funny. It was funny. There's a Facebook page called Moralia Spilot and Bracotta. And it's all the Australian guys and they had on there. It said $250. And he had 15 of them. And I was like, Oh, my God. I hate that. He's like, yeah, but you were supposed to last until he, oh, I had a king scale. He's a rough scale. So much for a lot of bucks. You're like, I want to take it in. Wow. In pale or not, I will give you a thousand dollars for it. So, wow. Yeah. How about, um, so, okay. So no condos. Um, how about carpets? What was it like, uh, carpet wise? Bailin was there. Howard was there. Okay. And stop icons was there. So those were your work. How did those guys do? Did they, did they give you any feedback today? Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure Todd did well. Some jackass bought two diamond pipe on Bobo. So, Todd was doing good. But actually I ran into Todd at the bar. The bar on Saturday night. I was sitting down with, uh, which, by the way, only, only Finley park. Can you sit there and get absolutely obliterated with, uh, sitting between Jason Bailin and Kerry King. And all of us going through all the throwing pictures of carpet pythons. And you know. That's so dreamy. Yeah. Everyone. Out your Lord. That's a carpet python's dream. You know, when, when Kerry goes, you know, oh, you just need the diamond. I hatched that and just going through his phone. I'm like, what the hell? Like, are you really speaking? So it's like, you know, part of me was like, no way at cool. So, um, but. Impossible. But it was so cool that he, he just, you know what? It took, it wears off really quick. Um, the whole, like, blown stardom with him. Because after about 10 minutes, you realize he just wants to be a reptile geek. Like everybody else and have some fun and show off some pictures. So it was a really cool doing that. And of course, it's really funny watching Bailin, like, try to get off his stool and then like nearly get in the ground. So, no, everyone's walking in. So apparently he, uh, he, well, he, he texts me on my, I haven't been carrying around my other phone and I can't tell you how long. I was texting progress reports on how I was doing. Yeah. I turned, I plugged because it died and I had it in my car and I took it out and I plugged it in. And it's like, it was some kind of thing. It says, I don't think that Owen is representing Marilla Python radio in the right way. Something like that. I think it's because I, I don't send him to shows anymore or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said something to him and he goes, no, he says, I'm telling Eric. I'm like, I had your rat bastard. You know, that's great. Yeah, but, okay. So a few carpet people. Well, it's funny because it, you would, you gotta remember, it's, it's, it's Timmy Park and if you are a reptile person. Uh huh. It's almost like a pilgrimage. You gotta do it because you go, or you gotta go to one N.A.R.B.C show and try to go into one with big, big, you know, a lot of people that you just, that you have interactions with online go to. So I'm excited. Go ahead. Sorry. And then he goes, you know, I'm, bailin's like, you want to go, you want to go get lunch? Yeah, go get lunch. So I walk over. I'm like, Andrew, um, hoagies. We're going to go. Do you want one? He goes, yeah. I'll go with it. And then one of his guys turns around and goes, you want to come over and see the lace monitors. And I sort of got it. You've seen Andrew. He's a big man. I've never seen this man move that quickly. He's like, yes. And he's like, I sort of Christ, he was skipping. Okay. He was gone. And I didn't see him for four hours. Wow. Come back and he's got this grin on his face from you to freaking here. I'm like, I was it. And he shows me pictures. These monitors are gorgeous. It was one lace monitor normal and a bell face lace monitor. And I'm telling you right now, that's a $5,000 monitor and a $10,000 monitor. Whoa. And you got to hold them both. And it's like, that is sick. They look there. So you paint that thing a different color to come out of dragon. Wow. And that's cool. I see. I can just nerd out on that kind of shit too. So, but it was so cool. So Saturday wraps up the show and we decide we're going to go to some, some of the Tabachi Japanese places for dinner. So I go back to the hotel and of course I'm still falling over diamond pythons and Andrew got himself a peach throw monitor to go with his nail and his other thing is a trio of those. Awesome. Yeah. So we're doing that. Oh, and there was a table full of jerky of numerous different animals. So I did bring home elk jerky buffalo jerky alligator jerky jerky jerky and ostrich jerky. So, okay. I have jerky carpet fest. Okay. Cool. Last year we had salmon vodka this year. If you were sitting on the fence. I mean, if you were on the fence about whether or not you're coming to carpet fest or not. The fact that we have jerky, that's just push you over the. It should ostrich jerky at that. I mean, I mean, you know, it's. Large bird. Pretty much a dinosaur, but yeah, good. What else can I do for you people? So, um, we all go to the restaurant and, you know, it's fun. Everybody's eating like frigging hogs. And then we all go back to the bananas bar, which is the bar that's attached to the convention center. That seems to be the thing for Tinley is that you kind of break off and go wherever you want for dinner and have dinner with whoever you want. But then after dinner, everybody kind of meets back at bananas. Right. Like everybody eventually you might not even start drinking there. But at one point during the night, you go to bananas. So, yes. So we're there. And of course, I didn't go to the U.S. Arc auction. I wanted to, but I was in, you know, look at my pretty diamond python mode. So, from what I hear, they did a fantastic job and they raised a hundred, over $100,000 for U.S. Arc. Yes. And I know that Kerry and Todd donated a Libra head exam as well as, I think it was a drum top from one of the slayer shows that the entire bandhead autograph. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's cool. I'm sitting there and I'm like, Eric would have been on both of these things. So. I have an organic sebra. I don't. Shut up. Heads are too low end for me, man. Oh, I'm sorry. Unless it craps diamonds. I don't want it. Yeah. Too low end. That's cool. Yeah. I remember when we were there in October. Yeah. I got to hang out with, I don't know if you were with me or not. But I was hanging out with Darien Whittaker and. Oh, no, no, that was at the auction. I don't know where I was. Yeah. I don't know where you went, but like having a beer with him. Oh, man. That was, that was cool. You know, you know, a guy that, I mean, it's so weird. Like at his house, he has the silver peppered in lens. Carpet morphable time and. He gets to stare at him and Peter was telling me is apparently peer birch at his. In the snake room, he is a wild. Loose diamond python that lives in a snake room. So, like every couple of months, everyone's every couple of months. He says he looked up and there he is hanging out in the rafters. He goes, oh, pulls him down and checks him out, puts him back up in the rafters. And then he won't see him again for a couple of months. And I'm like, well, doggy's there. He goes, yeah, because my, my rodent building is underneath my snake building. And of course he's there. He's no, but can't find it, but he knows it's here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. We find a, we find a garter snake in our backyard. So we're like, oh my God. Crip it down with me. Yeah. Crip it over diamond pythons. Yeah. And some of his, some of his videos, he goes like in his, he's, he's out in his yard. There goes a diamond python across the, across the lawn. I'm telling you, going to Tinley Park is by far one of the most fun things. So at the end of Saturday, which I didn't want to leave the bar. I really didn't. But Andrew and I decided that we were going to skip going to the show on Sunday because the show only lasted like four and it opens at 11. We were going to just go home because he wanted to get home for something. I had to get home because I had work on Monday. So it was one of those things where it's like, might be better just to do it. So if you are going to Tinley Park, my suggestion to everybody is to take off Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. This way you can go to the show Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Sweet. And then get up early and drive out home on Monday. It's the best way to do it. I know a lot of people who were leaving when the show ended on Sunday to go home. Unless you're flying, that's a long drive to do. Yeah. I would suggest it that way. Yeah, it was weird because when we went to, we went in October, Matt suggested that. And at first I was kind of like, we're going to leave, we're going to stay an extra day. But man, what a, I don't know. It really does. So much better. I mean, I mean, I think Tinley, because Angie and I left Chicago at 7 a.m. We were going to try to get out and go really early. But that alarm went off and I'm pretty sure both our bodies forbid it. So we ended up leaving around like six or seven. And then you rolled into his house around, I want to say eight o'clock maybe at night. And then I got to your place of like what, eight, 30, eight, 40. Yeah, something like that. And I was, and I was planning on just like, you know, grabbing some stuff and heading straight home, but then you started distracting me with things. So there's no, this thing is a quick stop to your house. You know that, right? Yeah, that's true, because then Zach came by and I actually wanted to get your guys opinion on some of my females. You know, I still second guess myself type of thing. And it's funny. I open up the tub. Be like, Oh, there you are. No, it's one of those things where I'll never know my email to gravity. But it's one of those things where if somebody was to somebody else were to come in, it's freaking obvious. So we're a thing, no, just on a side note, weird thing is that. Have you ever had a gravid female take food? Yeah. Oh, you have. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because we feed over here. Yeah, typically though, like when my girls are gravid, they don't, they don't take food. But the caramel girl, she took food, which kind of was, I mean, she looks like she has scale separation. But it's kind of weird. I offered her a small rat today and she took it, but I don't know. I don't know what the fact that I believe that she's grab it, whereas all the other ones that we thought were. They, they all refused. No, that's a good sign. Yeah. So, so I added some, you know, I usually add Spaglin Moss to the, just, I put it straight in the tub and. Yeah, they, you know, go to town. Just make the whole thing pretty much a nest box. Awesome. Well, that's cool. So we got diamond pythons in the collection now and you took my pair of Malukins. I did. So really the only, the only scrubs I really have left are. I have a, I have a hair pair and a, and a bar neck. She's a female and I'm still in the fence with, I really just, I don't know. I, I, you know, it's like it, it, it kind of. You kind of have to feel. Yeah, I guess so. I, I don't know. I just feel like I would never really put the work in that be successful with those. You know what I mean? Like I'm too focused on other things. Well, maybe that's what, you know. Obviously they're, they're, they're not a push button, easy animal. And you have a bunch of animals that are, you know, desire your attention. And of course the carpets are always going to be your bread and butter. And, but I see you drifting more and more towards the, you know, short tails and the bloods. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I, it's funny why you were at Tinley. I got to stop at, at Matt's place. And I don't know what was different about this trip, but. You actually paid attention. Well, no, I mean, you know, I, I think what it is is like the more times that you, that you, you see stuff. It was kind of the same way your, your place. First couple of times you go, there's so many, many things that you're trying to like absorb it all. So you really only remember like one thing. And then like, you know, the next time you go, you might, you might see something else and. It's like watching the same movie over and over again. You notice. Different things because now you're. Different details. Yeah. Everything else. Yeah. Yeah. So. Well, it's funny. It's funny, I show, well, what Matt, Matt, Matt, his road and supplier brings him road and so on Saturday. So she, he does live. So I just, I started getting a few lives, especially for some of the bloods and short tales that I have, because I don't know, just, it seems like it's just easier when they're kind of like starting out. And then there's slowly switching over, but it just seems like it's, you know, simpler. So anyway, I go and I pick up the stuff and of course, of course there's never, just like you just said, there's never in and out, you know, and you can't just show up and then just roll out. But he, he had showed me. Oh, he showed me this blood python that he picked up at Hamburg. And I remember when he picked it up, it was freaking gorgeous. But now that he's put some size on it. Oh my God. Good Lord. This thing was just amazing. I mean, just freaking amazing. I can't describe it. And then of course, we, you know, we, Google that the condos and whatnot, but I don't know, I guess like when I go to somebody else's spot, I don't know, I just did. Contras are cool, but I don't, they don't capture my eyes the way other things do. I guess maybe because I'm so, maybe I'm so used to seeing them. You know what I mean? I don't, I don't know. We're going to match the stuff I don't have. Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah. I was saying before the show, it's like pretty much between the three of us. We're going to have almost every species of python that you can get pretty soon. But yeah, I don't know. I picked up a few new things. Yeah. Yeah. You also got what did you get? 1.1 captive born and bred gold phase, white with babies from. Because I, I kind of sat down a couple of weeks ago. I did a quick assessment on projects here and which ones are successful and which ones are not and no, I would love for to say that every project successful, but it is not. So you can't come to a point where you got to realize is it the males, is it the females, is it the way they're set up? Is it this, is it that or the other thing? And it kind of seemed like a lot of the factors about some of the things that weren't successful over here are because we're dealing with animals that were either wild caught as adults or brought in as juveniles or were not raised in house. So what I decided to do is that we're restarting the whitelet projects. Because I mean, you see my gold phase whitelets. So there's three 10 foot animals that were wild caught as juveniles or adults. One of them is a allegedly captive born and bred there over 10 years old. So it's just, I don't think it's the best shot. Me. Right. So, of course, Tillis shows up with captive born and bred gold phase whitelets. And I know where I could, they are. I remember here. E eggs. And like that. So I just, I just, so I got, they're gorgeous. The theme has these weird black scales, like speckling, like a mechos python. And I have no idea what that means. And I don't want to talk about it much because then, you know, I sound like a dinker project. So. Nice. So, but it's one of those things where it's a conscious effort that, you know, it does mean getting rid of adult whitelets. And it does mean that we're probably going to be away from attempting to breed for five years. But I think it gives us a better shot. So. Absolutely. I got a question. Well, this is kind of a question just in general. Get your thoughts on this. And then I guess I maybe think out loud when I ask it. What do you do? Like, I have such a hard time. Letting go of stuff. What do you do when you were, okay, I'll use this as an example. So I breed a albino jag to zebra head albino. I get albino jags and zebra jags. Head albino zebra jags. When do you, like, let go of those adults and move up your stock? Or do you think most breeders keep that, those animals? I think there are some that will cut and there are some that do not. And I don't want to be the guy who cuts the, because I know it's just by my face, who sends a lot of proven breeding mail because his kid is now ready to breed. And then take the kid as a bad year or you lose the one and then now you're in trouble. Well, let's just say on a project you hold back 2.2. I guess probably albino, like morphs like that is probably a bad example. But, well, let's do it this way. I raised talent and Trinity together from babies. Right. Talent and Trinity got Echo. And Echo is still here, but talent is still here too. And Echo has proven himself last year as a proven male. And he's produced good looking animals. Right. And talent has had nothing to do the past 2 years because Echo has been doing it. So Echo is breeding with another female this year. But I have this giant female that I haven't been able to get anybody to breed with. No one wants to touch her through talent in there. And he's been breeding with her nonstop. Well, Alan, I would have had no egg there. So it's like, well, let me ask you this though. Let's use your caramel project because this is probably closer to what I'm talking about. So your original pair of caramels, will you hold on to them for what? Yeah. Yeah. You will. Yeah. Because with the mixtures of things, sometimes it's just good to have normal based stock. I mean, sometimes I get into the point where it's like, well, I can't breed this animal. This animal with these, these, these, these, because that's Jack Jack and I don't like doing that. So sometimes it's good to have the normals or the bases or the bare bones of it because then you can use them. Basically, you got the animal, plug it in there. Yeah. But, well, I guess like I look at it as, why would I breed a zebra head albino when I can get just all albinos by breeding albino? I guess my ultimate goal is to work with my own stock. Exactly. But the different thing with you is, and with albino in general, is that it's a recessive. I'm talking, you know, you kind of open the gates a little bit more when you have something like a codom gene or because, you know, I don't like doing Jack. So if I want super caramel, if I want to breed my super caramel jag female, I can breed her to a bunch of stuff. But if I want to just throw another, to get another batch of super caramel jags, I can't breed her to my caramel jag. I can't breed her to my super caramel jag. I can breed her to my caramel. Right. If I had another super caramel, I could. So it's good to sometimes have just the base posing. Now, would I replace my caramel mail with a super caramel? Probably. But am I going to sell my caramel mail? Not unless I get, like, so bogged down with no open cages and stuff that I got to trim the fat. If it comes out of that. But I'd probably do is I'll keep it for caramel and keep my caramel. He just won't do anything for a few years. It just said to just live just being a bin. Just in case it's always good to have backup hitters. It really is because. Yeah. You're at the time. I mean, you know, you had the map out of the season, but then something goes up. Something goes wrong. It'll him. You don't like her. You won't breed. It's always good to have backup hitters. So well, yeah, typically in a project, typically with me in particular. If I have a project, I have a couple of ways to get at. The same result. You know, caramel. Caramel granets would be would be an example of that. So I have a female caramel hat granite. I have a female caramel. Hat granite jag. I have a caramel hat granite male. I have a granite jag male. So, you know, when you're talking about that car, like, for instance, if, if, if, if I wanted to make super caramel granets, I could do that by putting that caramel hat granite to the caramel hat granite. Or if I wanted to make super caramel, you know, granite jags, I could do that too with that same pairing, but just using the caramel hat granite jag. But if, if, if that didn't work, I always have the granite jag and with caramel being incomplete dominant, you know, I'll still be able to get at least hopeful, you know, providing that the odds work out. But a shot at a caramel granite jag. So there's, there's a bunch of different options. I'm just saying, like, I wonder when I'm trying to figure out, like, you know, I don't want to have sales remorse. And I think about, like, Citrus Tiger project is probably something like that. Like wanting to plug stuff into that, you know, is, you know, do I really need 5.5 Citrus Tigers? Probably not. And then you're at a reasonable number. Yeah. Makes total sense. I don't know. And then, you know. So, yeah, I get your point. And my thing is, is that I would, I would be the idiot who, the second the offspring is proven, sell one of the parents, and then. Really need it the next year. See if I had sold talent. I would have been screwed this year when it comes to what to do with Layla. I mean, then maybe I might get eggs. They'll be normal, coastal jag, but. I think if I was doing just straight. Just straight carpet pythons. No morphs involved. I think that the, I would be very reluctant to sell that animal. As opposed to if it was a morph. If that makes sense. So, my MPAN coastal female. I'm not letting go of her. Because there's a, there's a bunch of things that I can plug in. For selected breeding as far as coastal goes. Right. And to be honest, if you sell a female. Uh huh. You've just done a adult female, you're stupid. Half the time. Yeah. Um. Well, yeah. The other half of the time. And actually, there was a question was asked. It's like. You know, are you guys ever afraid? Yeah. No. Nope. And then he goes, why not? I'm like, if I'm selling a female, she doesn't sell until July. So. It goes really July. I'm like, yeah, I'll maybe put her up for sale in July. Sometimes I'll wait until September. She ain't leaving if she's got eggs in her. I mean, that's one of those things where if there's even a hint of eggs. With a lot of things you want to establish, you want to establish a bloodline. And of course, with a bloodline, your better animals will come out and eventually replace the parents. And I always think that if you are breeding, you want to always have a conscience, you know, in the back of your head, that your adult animals will not be here forever. You know, my biggest fear is selling every single animal that my one animal is involved in and produces. And then when he or she dies, not having anything to continue the bloodline for myself. That's happened a few times where I had an unexpected death where I didn't have any babies from that pair. Sophie is one of them. And, you know, my really, really, really big coastal, who I had no idea how old she was. She laid one clutch for me, which was 52 eggs. And we hatched them and I sold them all, every last one. And then she had a clutch after that, which was 45 eggs, where they were all slugs. And then a year later had complications and then did a passing. And it's like, God, I wish I'd kept, like, just two females just to see if they got the size of the mother did, if they could be, like, just these monster ghosts or something like that, would have been awesome. So it's almost like I would encourage people to have holdbacks. But, you know, also do what's best for your breeding program and not just a ditch. An adult animal wants to become potentially obsolete in a morph potential. Because you never know you're going to need it. But want it. So. Yeah, I. Try. I guess I. Long term. Long term. Like, pretty long term breeding ones. If I have an animal, like I contemplated a few times sending pyro and talent out to go breed someplace else to someone else's animals who. You might not have an animal like pyro or talent. And then I least still get some babies out of it. Plus, they're doing something for the year. And. Maybe less my food bill. I mean, I thought about it. I've done it. Because. Don't. Very untouchable to people. But it's one of those things as well. Oh, yeah. And. You're different. You have to be very inner circle. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. For now, I open up a cage and I retain ownership of an animal. I can't do anything with it. Like, uh, right now you have my ivory jag Luna. Yeah. I couldn't do anything with Luna. I have no mail in my collection that I think would compliment her correctly. You have the ivory jungle from Ted. Some like her. Yeah. Why would like if I, if I were to pick one animal. That I probably would beat you with a stick and take. He's one of them. There are many, but he was definitely one of them. Yeah. And it's one of those. We're doing a loan thing where you actually have Luna now. Because you'll be ready to go. Next year. I say next year, you know, she's probably bigger than some of your breeding females right now, but. Yeah, by the way, she is. I know she is. I saw those. Yeah. And I'm like, holy crap. I'm a monster. It's one of those things where, you know, it's something that. You and I can do together to. Make some quality animals. It's a fun project to think about when it comes out of. And, you know, I don't have to sit here with Luna for another year. Nothing to do. Well, yeah, I did that with, I did that with Matt with the, the Borneo. That's my blood next year. The female Borneo. He has a female Borneo that produced that. What we call the Halloween bright. Yeah. And he's. Well, I checked her out when I was there and. He said that, you know, she's headed in the right directions, not quite. Quite there, but, you know, things are looking good. There was one male that was supposed to go with her, but we revamped and. Did a different one, but, you know, I was saying to him, like. There's no point of me taking her because I don't have a male. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, and plus two, he has such killer stock that, you know, we. You know, it can really, I mean, that female is really nice. And we can really make some really, really, you know, really nice Borneos. So why not? That just seems silly, you know, not to. To do that, you know, because you're, I think, I think, at least for me, you have to be in a circle with me in order for me to. To do that, but it's not like I would run out and do it. Well, I'm. Oh. Oh, here. What? I don't know. I couldn't hear you. You dropped out there in a minute. Oh, no. Oh, I think you got me. All right. Okay. No, I didn't immediately. I'm not even looking. I'm not even sitting on my computer. Oh, heck. Anyway, Zach has that he has a female jungle that. She throws some really, really nice stripes. Probably not the brightest, you know, jungle that's out there, but I mean, whoo, the black. Dude, the black is so black. And I think that's where people miss the mark when it comes to jungles. I think it's easier to add the yellow, but to have that clean black. Dude, you know, anyway, I, I sent my mail because I don't have a female ready, but like strike jungles is a project. That that's near and dear to my heart. And, you know, why not take advantage of that? So. Yeah, definitely. I mean, that's just one of those things you. If you can't do it, if you know enough people that are working together and you guys can reach an agreement and work side by side. Do it. Definitely. I mean, breeding loans help a lot of people. And it's one of those where, all right, I've scoured all over the place to try to find a mate for this animal that complements it. I found it belongs to this guy. So, you know, maybe we can hatch out a deal. Now, I will say that the second you start having success breeding, people tend to come out of the woodwork to try to get you to breed their shit for them. Don't do that. No, no, no, no. One of you tell because at the last hamburger, I'm there and I'm working on a table and some guy comes out of nowhere and I have no idea who this guy is. And he goes, do you have a macalotz python? And I go, no, I do not. They're breeding right now. I don't know what's happening. We'll see what's up. I actually had Eric Kohler's macalotz python female onto the table because he and I were doing a breeding loan because his macalotz male just is working for him. And glitch had already gotten pixel for Evan. So, I figure why not. So, I actually had a macalotz and he goes to this guy. He says, well, you're anybody who'd have any. I'm like, well, try calling Ryan Young. He goes, I just got, I got a phone with Ryan two days ago. And he didn't have any right now. Oh, my God, it's a shame. You should have some more later. And then he goes, well, I'm going to send my macalotz to you. And I'm like, uh, I'm not really looking to buy anymore. And he goes, no, you breed it, bring it back. I'm like, uh, he goes, well, that or I, you know, Ryan's going to send me one of his males. And all I could think about was, I really doubt that's going to happen. But, um, I'm just sitting there and I'm like, who are you again? Did he even give me a name? And he goes, I'm selling so. So I'll send my email to you. You breed it. And then this way we know, uh, between the three of us selling them all. Who the hell's the three of us selling? What is happening here? And then, you know, still you'll know where the bloodlines came from. I'm like, who are you? I mean, that happens. Now, sometimes that happens and most of the time that happens via email Internet. Very rarely does it happen face to face. Sometimes it happens face to face. But it's like, why? So I would say that if you're going to try to do a breeding loan, try to get to know the person first. Then maybe ask them later. I mean, it's weird. I don't know how you are, but like, uh, I'm. I'd be very cautious of bringing animals. So I'll just. Into my collection, you know, without. Oh, dear Lord. But the other thing I'm, the other thing that I'm cautious about is that, you know. Hey, you know, somebody says, you know, can I breed with your super karma? I'm almost like, almost they get insulted as like a no. What makes you think you can use the thing that I've been working hard to get or spend a lot of money to buy for free? What, like, you know, you want a super caramel that are on the table. You want to buy one? Go ahead. Now you can do whatever you wanted. But don't think just because I'm right here and I've had success that I'm willing to allow you to use my animal for free. Now, I have offered animals for stud fee, but I'm talking right now. My stud fees are so ridiculously high that it's almost like you don't, you should just gotten by the animal. You really should. Yeah. I have horrific demands just because it keeps people away from wanting to do it. And then when I use the things I offer, if I do a breed loan with a friend, there's no charge. There's no nothing. We're going to split the clutch 50/50 and then we're going to go a separate way. You take your half of the babies and whoever the hell you want with them. And I'll take my half of the babies and go to the hell I want with them. Right. Take the animals that we own and then we're done. If we really like it, we'll probably do another pairing in a few years, but that's it. There's no like, oh, we'll sell them and split the profits because that's because the people often they never go the right way. Or they never sell for the price you originally intended for them to sell or. You know, one or two really good babies that they don't want to die. So I would split the babies. Immediately, you immediately split the babies. They hatch, you split, and then everybody can do what they do to their own babies and there's no problem. Not right. So that's the way it goes. But it's like for one of my studies, you owe me a certain amount of money for the ability to use my mail. I get half of the clutch and if my mail dies or something like that, you owe me for this year's clutch as well as the next year's potential clutch. Wow. It takes me about a year to get a male to breeding size and I have to replace them now. See, once I tell people that, they don't want to do a stud fee anymore. So I just tell them that screw off. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. Yeah, I'm very nervous about bringing animals into my collection that I am not able to see the other, the person's collection that I'm bringing it from. I'm sending my animals places. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess what I'm saying is like, unless I can physically see that person's collection and how they keep, other than that, no, I wouldn't trust it. But if ultimately you, you know, if you can work it out and it is somebody you trust or a friend or whatever, and it takes the project that much further, you know, then I'm telling you, man, if, if we have success with those strike jungles. Oh, man, they're going to be killer. Me and Zach are going to be arm wrestling for what, you know, the, the, I'm telling you, the right arm right now. Yeah, that's why we're both going to the gym, you know, that's where we're at. We're both at the gym, pumping it up, getting ready, getting ready for the arm. So now we got a deal worked out. I don't even remember what it is. And quite honestly, it doesn't even really matter. It's not like that's going to be a cleaner now, but you admitted on air, you have no idea what the agreement is somewhere and some one of our messages back before. I can't remember if I wanted a female or wanted a male. I think whatever it was, whatever I wanted, he wanted the opposite. And I can't remember. But I think that I get all striped animals and you get there. I think the way we work it out is whatever, whatever the, whatever the sex that he wanted, I wanted the opposite, like first pick. So you go through, you'd sex the clutch. Let's just say, for example, argument that he wants a male, which I think that's what he wanted, but I'm not sure. And I think I want a female. So first male, he would get the pick. First female, I'd get the pick. And then we go through and put it. Well, yeah. So it worked out. It worked out. I did. I think it was. I have to open up the copy book and turn to page 62 in order to find out what the what I need. The magic copy book. On the other. Come into the copy book. Mike will please thank you. Like the candles. Anyway, the, I think it was, you was that cat. That was two years ago now, right? What's that? I guess that was like two years ago, right? Yes. Okay. So two years ago, I did the breeding with Jason Bailey and he sent me an original line tiger male. Yeah. And I chucked him to Trinity. Trinity is some tire blood in her somewhere. And she's throwing some good stripes. And it was, it was a good group. It was a good group of tigers. Actually, Bailey kept two of them. So when they hatched, I got them feeding and whatever. And then when I cast came down the road, I brought the entire clutch down after I had sexed them. And what we did is I said, the boys over here and the girls over here. And he said, well, you did the incubating. You did the breeding. You kept her sick. So what we did is we started with the girls and I grabbed one girl. He grabbed one girl. I grabbed one girl. He grabbed one girl. We did that the entire way until the girls were gone. Right. So they're all in belly cups. And then we did the same thing with the boys. I started again with the boys. So I think it ended up getting like two extra tigers or something than him. But he still got some good animals. And that was it. I took mine home. He took his home. That's a good idea. I think he actually sold one at, I don't really came up asking about. If I remember, somebody came up asking and asking and asking about tigers. And he ended up selling one. And it was funny because for like the next two years, that guy would post something up and be like, look at my beautiful tiger from Jason Bailey. And Jason, the first time it would be Jason going, Owen helped too. Or like Owen would. I'm like, thank you. So it was one of those things where it was, it was just funny. But, so I mean, obviously breeding loans can't be done. It's just, first off, don't be insulted if the other guy says no. I mean, understand you're asking a lot. But also it's one of those things where it's a rarer animal. It's almost like some breeding loans just have to happen a bunch of times. And it happens a lot with chondros. They do breeding loans all over the place. Which really surprises me because they're kind of. It doesn't surprise me because they're so hung up on lineage. How else are you going to get new blood in there? Yeah, but it's funny when I was listening to the GTP Keeper radio. This is why I appreciate Bill so much because he brings that perspective from, he's more of like, you know, he deals with a bunch of different types of Python. So when he looks at a chondro, to me, it seems like he looks at it as, it's just a, it's just a, it's just a green Python that perches on a stick. Those guys really, well, the past show they had, it was all girls. It was a girl round table, which by the way, if you didn't get the chance to check it out, you should check it out. But the cool thing about when you do the round table, as you know, from us doing the round tables is that you're not always going to agree. And you just hear some people's thoughts. And you're kind of like, you know, what, what, you know, and then other things you're like, wow, I never would have thought of that, you know, and vice versa, they'll probably think the same thing. But it just seems like when people with chondros just like, it just seems that that, that like die hard chondro people, that's all they keep his chondros and they're just like a magical snake or something. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not making fun of them. I'm not insulting them. I'm not making fun of them. It's just that they're very, you know, what's, what's the word I'm looking for. I don't want to say more educated, more snake nerdy. I don't know what the right word is to put it, but they're just, you know, it's, it's not just like you put two snakes together and they breed type of thing when reality it probably is that way. But, right. Yeah, you know, I don't know. So it just seems to be very particular with allowing that type of thing in or out of their collection. You know, but you're right. I do, I do see it, but, you know, I don't know if you have like a blue might phase chondro. Are you just going to let that go out into somebody else's club? No, you know what I mean? I mean, I mean, I felt weird, even when you and I started doing the show is we're talking about snakes and stuff. And you're like, I got this and it's like, I'm like, well, I could send my mail up there. It's like, you know, I don't look like what is doing that, but it's like, you can't do that. You can't just be like, well, I got up away. Yeah, crash compared to what you got, but right. It's one of those things you kind of can't tell yourself sometimes. So I almost feel like if you're not on the same equal plane as the other breeder, like say I'm just getting started. Right. I have like four carpet pythons. Don't go into a show and expect that because you're offering your mail services to somebody else's that they're going to jump at it. And, you know, and it's kind of like, I would almost say don't even offer. Just don't. But now if the breeder comes up for you and says, you know, I've been doing this for a while. I've been looking for a mail that kind of like what you got or say you bought this boy and I was looking at him. Would you be interested in doing a breeding loan? You know, I'd say it'd be something you might want to consider because not only would it help kind of bring you into the community a little bit. You know, now you've got this expert who is probably a little bit more versed than you are when it comes to breeding snakes wanting to help you out pretty much giving you half a clutch. Yeah, this would be funny. You say that a little more versed in breeding snakes. This will be my, what, four, third year, third year. Third year breeding. But I've learned so much in those three years, you know, doing the show, talking to breeders has helped me tremendously. But I think that there's something that can't be compared to hands on experience of watching your females go through, you know, the breeding team. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, you like, I see, you know, I bring up Matt again. I look at like how one of the things that I'm learning from him and watching what he does as far as breeding. He kind of like really pin points when the female goes and then the female kind of will go the following year at the same time. You know what I mean? So it kind of like directs him and he has like a system that he does and whatnot. And, you know, I just think that, you know, those little little things and like watching your female and observing, you know, what she does. Like, for instance, you know what was weird. I never saw this before, but it was, I was talking to Chris Salemi and he was messaging me, showing me the pictures around Facebook now, but his females was was twisted like a pretzel. Right. And like really goofy position. And he's like, yeah, this female is going to lay. And, you know, sure enough, like five o'clock in the morning, there's a message on my phone that says, you know, he, the girl, the female laid, and he said that she was breathing heavy, but, you know, these are all cues that, you know, the female puts off that he picks up on, you know, and, you know, it's just very bad. And, and you know your animals up at a certain point. And, you know, there are certain things that you will notice that it's wrong and isn't, you know, it wasn't in their normal behavior. Oh, yeah. Oh, shoot, I just lost my train of thought. Because I type, damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Why can't we ever do things two things at one time? Yeah, I don't know. It's very difficult when you're, when you have a guest, then it's a lot easier. But when you don't have a guest, I know they don't ignore each other. I mean, that's wonderful. Yeah. What was the other thing that I was going to talk about? Let's see. Let me look at my notes here. So we talked about the Tinling Park. Is this going to be, are we going to be headed out to the March show next year to then? Is that, is this how it's going to go? We're going to be marching. I think, I think we should. What I'm going to do is I'm going to send you in a truck and I will fly and I will meet you there. So, okay. Dead serious. Dead serious. I hate you. So, that much. It really, it really, it really, first off, because when you're driving in Pennsylvania, it's one of the things where it's like, oh, I recognize these things. They got a Pittsburgh and stuff a lot. So, I know the, I know the drive. I know the tunnels. I know the scenery. Oh, it's really cool. It's really awesome. And then, you know, you get to Ohio and after certain points, Ohio is just flat and nothing. And then you get to Indiana and you figure it out. You could see the curve of the earth. So, it's even flatter. And it's got nothing, no scenery. I know that also I went in like winter or fall or, you know, in winter, pre-spring, there's no foliage, there's no leaves in the trees and all that stuff. It just seemed drab and endless. Because you don't get, you don't get to Timmy Clark until, I mean, most of your drive is, most of our drive, our drive, is Pennsylvania and Indiana. I mean, you spare, you've been very little time in Ohio. And once you get into Illinois, you're like 30, 40 minutes away from Timmy Clark. So, it's like all of a sudden you cross over into the central standard time. You cross over to Illinois and then you hit Timmy Clark. So, it's just one of those things where, because I flew last time and it was, get on plane, land, get off plane, welcome to Chicago. Well, hopefully, yeah, hopefully when we head down to Texas. Arlington, yeah. We'll be getting on a plane and that's it. No animals, no nothing. But that'll be cool. Leah, and I was talking to Todd and then I was trying to get them to come to Carpetfest. And they were very interested in carries like, so there's a west coast one, right? Yes. And he goes to who goes? And I'm like, I don't know. He's like, so it would just be me and Nick sitting around. I'm like, maybe it'll be fun. And it's really cracking up. So, it's like, and then I told them, like, you just come to the east coast one too. And Todd's like, I like that idea. So, I'm like, Todd, please come to the east coast one to be great. So, we'll see if I can get them to come out. If not, we're going to have to go to the west coast one eventually at some point. Well, this year, I don't know about you, my friend, but I'm going to be headed to the west coast one for sure. I told you, this is the year of NPR traveling. This is why, this is why we talked to Howard and we need to get the cardboard cutout of you and me. Because I could have taken your cardboard cutout with me, which it would have been because I was like, it would have been. I'm sure we would have had some kind of comical thing. Of course, cardboard cutout Eric has been the trash bin all day. So, I mean. Did I lose you again? I'm excited for, I'm excited for Texas. That would be fun. Yeah, Texas is a, there's a lot of cool carpet people down there in Texas. I think, I think we're going to have some sort of table. I think we're going to have some sort of table. I think I thought we'd be hanging out on Bill's table with some t-shirts and some other crap. Something like that, but we will be there as like, I don't want to say a vendor, but something along those lines. No animals, but. No, we could ship a few animals down to Bill. Easy. Yeah, do whatever you want, man. Whatever floats your boat. Well, I mean, if you and I send one box of animals, that would fill up one tier and there we go. Yeah, I guess we could do that. I don't know. Yeah, we'll talk about getting displays. We'll talk about this. We'll do it. We'll discuss. If not, we'll just have a table and we'll have Eric sitting at the table with the sign that this please talk to me. Yeah, we'll switch roles so that you can be. I wanted to mark our name types. I wanted you to be Mark O'Shea and me to be really, but you wouldn't like. It's like, you know, that's great. You know, every time I had to tell people, such a party, and it's, you know, it comes this weekend. I had to tell people, I can't. I told Eric I'd be hey, I told Eric I'd be hey, I told you that I told them might be good. And that's when Bailey was like, it's your father. I'm like, I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, I think I was telling you before this. Oh, yeah, I know, I never mind. Let's skip that. Yeah, zip the lip. Let's see. What else did I want to head on? So, yeah, we hit on the Tinley Park breeding season updates and such. I don't know if you caught the updates from us, but one thing was is that West Virginia was trying to pass this complete ban. I think what they did is they did like this crazy list of, you know, exotic species and tried to ban them completely. And they somehow they got the, I don't know if it was, I don't know the exact story, the senators to amend the bill, change some of the stuff. Anyway, long story short, it was a good victory for West Virginia because they were able to remove the reptiles from. I think crocodilians and venomous is the only thing that they left on there, which I guess if you're in that in West Virginia, I don't know if you necessarily would have a place where you could keep a crocodilian but, you know, I don't know. See, I know that I don't want to take it apart and be like, you know, nobody should own crops or venomous. But I can say without a doubt, there are very few people that I know of who I would trust with crock or venomous, including myself. I think I would just to be dead by now. If I kept cobras, I'd be so dead to be ridiculous. And I've been a chew toy for crocodiles. I had been gnawed upon. It's not a fun experience. So it's pretty much along the lines of, you know, if you have crops and venomous and I'm sure you're keeping them correctly and everything like that. I would do all I can to fight this. And being a reptile person myself, I would even know I really doubt there's a lot of people I would trust with them. Again, still probably sign the petitions and put my hat in your ring to fight against this stuff. But, you know, I hope that they can still keep their stuff. Well, yeah, I don't think that they looked at it as a bad thing necessarily. But I don't know. I guess with venomous and crocodilians, my thought would be that probably similar to my thought with large constrictors is that a permit system is really the way to go. It would be nice. Yeah. Which is why I couldn't talk to Peter because I think that was, I think that Australia had a right with the pierters. And apparently, the tier one is like children's pythons and carpet pythons. And you have to stay here to tier one before you can fly for tier two permit. And your two is rough scales green fees and a few other things. And then your third tier is like venomous and crocs and monitors and much other stuff. I don't even know if I'd ever make it to tier three. I have no desire to work with crocodilians at all. You know, none at all. Derek, he's a saltwater crocodile breeder. Yeah, we're all kind of surprised too. So, I mean, I love them. I think they're cool, but I have no desire to breathe them. I said that, I said that at Kinley, where it was like, man, what's it like working with all the white throat babies? I'm like, they're fantastic. I wonder why they go home. It's like, you know, they're so much fun and then I give them to Andrew and then he helped me. I'm like, crap, they blew through entire bag of rats and stuff like that. I don't have to deal with that. So, they are the most fun. It's like, everybody who goes, like, everybody who says, I love kids. Do you just talk about a kid that isn't theirs and bees. I mean, you know, or I love dogs. And then they end up getting a dog and, you know, he... They change their mind. Like, people, crotch, I mean, you know, what do you want from them? So, it's like, it's one of those things where it's like, it's so much fun because they go away. Yeah, I really like when we went to see Andrew's monitors and stuff. I enjoyed looking at them. I thought they were really, really cool and really neat. But not something that I would, whatever. Dude, I can stare at his crock monitor all day, but you tell me to take care of that thing. I tap out. Nope. Don't. Sorry, Bob. I mean, like, you know, you don't lost that cage door. I'm getting a little antsy. So, yeah, I could see that for sure. So, yeah. So, and then the other update for U.S. Arc was another... It was a good week for a reptile podcast, by the way, which is awesome because it gives me something to listen to. I'm at the gym or driving home, my three hour drive a day. It's quite enjoyable. Anyway, the other one was reptile radio and they had on... Let me get his name. His name was Rick Stanley. And he's a lawyer that works with U.S. Arc. And it was quite interesting to hear the talk about, you know, I guess that the legal side of what's going on with the constrictor role and whatnot. So, apparently, long story short, I would definitely recommend going over and listen to it, because he talks about that in detail with the West Virginia ruling, and then he also goes into what their plan of attack is for the constrictor ban. And basically, he was saying that the Fish and Wildlife can't... It doesn't say anything in the Lacey Act about state-to-state transportation or interstate transportation, or ships or anything. What it basically says is that we're not allowed to... Somewhere with the verbiage, it's continental United States. So, you can't send those animals to Puerto Rico, you can't send them to Hawaii, you can't send them to Guam, but you can send them throughout the U.S. So, it's pretty interesting what he was talking about. And he was saying that, like, obviously, you know, depending on the judge, it depends on how they view it, you know, obviously. But when you have verbiage like that's written in the Lacey Act, it's pretty straight ahead and pretty clear. And he said that that's an angle that they're going for. So, yeah, if you get a chance, you should go over. You can get it on iTunes, just like you can get this radio show, or you can get... I say radio show, it's not radio show, it's podcast. We're a podcast, let me call it a radio show. Yeah, I know. Come on. But you can get it, I guess iTunes is probably the easiest way. If you go over to the Bush League Breeders Club, you can find it there as well. It won't send you links. They're also on Blog Talk. So, if you're on Blog Talk, you can find it there. So, it's a reptile radio. But it's pretty cool. So, yeah, that's the U.S. arc update. They raised, like you said, over $100,000. I think there was some big breeders that was cool to see. I think Kevin McCurley was what I saw on Facebook. It was $10,000. So, a lot of the people that are saying that these big breeders aren't contributing or doing their part that shows you that they are. And I think we're at 18 shirts that we sold so far. Well, yeah, I feel fast. Yeah, that's good. One more shoutout I want to give is our good friend Justin Joolander. He's now doing a podcast. And it's a podcast. It's called "Harpological Discussions." He has a Facebook page where you can -- actually, you probably want to -- I'll probably have to message just to Andrew, but something that he wants to check out. What he's doing, basically, is he's taking a research paper. And he's sort of like giving you the Cliff Notes version of the research paper. And he puts it in layman's terms that the average herber could understand. But so far he's done three of them. He did Daniel Natouche's paper that he came in and talked about on our show about the different green trees and the genetic testing that they've been on them. And he talked about Woma habitat, which was cool. And then the other one was -- I forget what kind of monitor it was, but it was monitor. And how they're using their burrows for eggs and such was pretty cool. Andrew was explaining this to me. Apparently, a lot of monitors must open in termite mount, so with the eggs in there, because the termites will reseal the mount, predicting the eggs. They'll clean the eggs off. And then when the baby monitor is attached, they'll remove the egg shells and just throw them away. And then the baby monitors will eat termites for the first couple of months, but it likes to just run around the termite mount. So it's like that's awesome. Interesting. I don't think you can get his podcast yet on iTunes, but you can get it on SoundCloud. But if you go over to the links on the NPR Facebook page, but if you go and check it out from there, it'll link you to their Facebook page, which is just herpological discussions. And you can get the links for the shows. I think it's done just three so far, but they're only about 15 minutes long. And it's pretty cool. But it's like the cliff notes version of the paper. It's more snake-nerdy, I guess. You know what I mean? More scientific approach, which is awesome. It's a nice balance to what we do. Less scientific. Which is really a lot of fun. For the word of idiots, I mean, you know. Well, it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's cool. And I mean, like about the booster real quick, we sold 20 shirts. So we're almost halfway. Yeah, we're almost halfway to the goal of 50. And we've raised 128 dollars for us. Okay. Yeah. I'd like to double that number. Then we've got people buying shirts. Yeah, I'd like to get it to at least 100 shirts. That's what I'd like to see. Jesus Christ. You name so high. Anyway, if you are waiting to get your t-shirt, stop it. And go buy your t-shirt. It's something cool. If you can make it the car professed, awesome. Please wear it the car professed if you want to. If you can't make it the car professed, it's still really cool. You should get one. Jason Bailin was wearing his car professed shirt from last year at Tinley. And then a few hamburgs ago, I saw him wearing the first car professed t-shirt. Oh, cool. Yeah. It's something cool you can just wear. I mean, I have them all. I have all our t-shirts because I'm associated with the show and I should. Yes. It's just something really cool to have even if you're not going to car professed. And next year it's going to change. So once car professed is done this year, you will not be able to get this design, these colors, this shirt. It's going to be gone. We'll have something different for next year. And for all we know, this snake could be a Bolins or something like that. It could be just chill. Swapped up. Who knows? You can't make it a Poland's for Carpet Fress. What's wrong with you? I can do whatever I can. Well, please. Good Lord. Make it a blood python. Yeah, boy. So I think we should make a couple that are just messed up. I think we should do a royal python shirt. We can use random people. These are high-end garments. This is a new Carpet python. Or Bill said we should do a Kondro shirt. One time we will do another Mariah Python radio at some point. Oh, yeah. We're going to do another Mariah Python radio t-shirt. We've got a few t-shirts that we could potentially bring with us when we go on the road to sell. One is definitely the black Mariah Python radio t-shirt. I want one that says re-kick plus scrub equal man goalie and man eater for life. I pulled that aside at Finley and I pretty sure you will sell over. I want that and I want one that has a name tag. This is Jim from Morgantown. Even if I only need to make one of those and give it to them, I've got it. I want one that says you do you boo boo boo boo boo boo boo. That's right. Little Mariah if I've done radio logo underneath it. Perfect. Zach, write these down. Yes, but yeah, I mean, so that's a car in case you didn't know in case this is the first time you ever tuned in to the show. Carpet Fest is a get together. Come on. I thought you forgot the date. I'm like, come on. Come on. No, no, no, no, a very similar minded reptile keepers. We all keep carpet pythons and East Coast. The East Coast is pretty much a nice little hub when it comes to Mariah, Mariah people. A lot of carpet people, a lot of contro people. I think it was funny because Nick said it's funny because he and I were talking and he was like, you're on the East Coast. You know, there's this whole black area around like Pennsylvania, Maryland, New York, where I very rarely send packages. If I do it to you or Eric, I'm like, well, yeah, because everybody else, we're all here. So, yeah, it's a nice compact area. A lot of Mariah in the trash day area. Yes, which is good. And what we do is this will be the fourth year that we're doing this. We just kind of took it from the Condro folks and they would do a Condro Fest where they would get together and hang out and talk snakes and get to forge new relationships with people, get some time to meet people. Like you said earlier, where you talk to them online all the time and you don't necessarily get the opportunity to meet them in person. Even though you feel kind of close to these people, because you talk to them on a daily basis, you really don't know them. And, you know, it's just, it's just cool to be able to meet them face to face. And then, you know, I think of, I can't remember if it was the second or the third, I think it was the second had to be the second, where it was like, we're surrounded in a group. And I think it was, who's like, Buddy and Ben and Jason and, you know, they're just talking, you know, talking snakes and, I don't know, it's just, it's really cool to be, to be around these guys that have been doing it for such a long time and to be able to take some of their knowledge. You know, and it's really cool to be outside of a show setting to hang out with everybody. I mean, I was explaining this, and it's cool. And then we were, it's like, obviously, I don't want to take up all the time at your table because you come to show something, but, you know, I haven't seen you since, you know, October, so I do want to say, Hey, what's up? What's going on? I was just, you know, doing this, we're doing that. So, it's one of those things where Carpetfest allows us to do that. We're going to catch up. Of course, we can all talk snakes. Of course, we can all talk about personal stuff. We can go to the hell we want. The main point is that it gives you a chance to catch up, make new connections, strengthen old ones. It's like, you know, I, you find out some things where what people will be doing a little differently. You get to discuss things, you get to hang out, and you just, just talk. And I mean, you can have some good food, good drinks, and you get to somebody, one of our, one of us in the Marillia family is opening up their hall to you. So, you get to see their cages because, uh, when we went to Howard's, I always, I always, always, always love his snake room because everything is uniform, and everything is like, just clean and perfect and like white, and I'm like, God, I'm a slob. Every time I look at his snake room, I'm like, God, I am like, oh, I am a third world country compared to this crap. So it's like, you know, it's always cool to see that stuff. And it's, and actually, um, all my water dishes that I have for the baby snakes I got from Howard because he told me to go to one of those, you know, restaurants and black places and just buy up their little miniature souffle dishes. And I did the show. Yeah. I haven't been able to find them. I actually, there's a restaurant place in World Health. Oh, yeah, that's right. You did tell me that. I went to the one I've been selling. I mean, yeah, I went to the one in Ben Salem and they didn't have it, but many people are like, what's Ben Salem people in Australia are listening and saying Ben Salem, what is that? Hey, there was one discussion I had to put on my Facebook. I said, how to beat out of people on other states about it. Wow, wow, I survived. And somebody from Australia was like, I didn't understand any of that. And I'm like, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, it was. It was pretty funny. Uh, the, uh, again, I think this, yeah, this was Carpet Fest. So it was me, Zach and Dave Kelly. And he never went to a Wawa before. He took him to a Wawa. And he was like, Oh, God, this is a great thing ever. I can't believe this. Yeah, I mean, you know, we take it for granted so much. But, uh, have you ever traveled out of state? Have you ever traveled out of state where there isn't a Wawa? And then you're like, all right, let's all go get coffee. And they're like, well, we have to go down to the gas station. I'm like, what kind of hell is this? Where's the Wawa? What's the Wawa? And then you instantly want to go home. I mean, you immediately kind of want to stop and the vacation go home. Tap out. Um, yeah, the, uh, there'll be a Wawa when you come to this Carpet Fest. So you'll be able, if you're headed up in any direction where there is no Wawa, you will be able to experience the Wawa. A Wawa and a Sheet. You may now get into the large debate that is Pennsylvania, of which is better. Sheet sucks. Wawa's where you want to go. But anyway. Yeah, I am not a fan. Um, clearly I can build just ordered four shirts. That means we're up to what? Twenty four? Yeah, good man. Right. Yeah, don't screw it up. Would you? Jeez. He's a high end rollerman. Don't screw around with Bill, man. Did he ever tell you what happened with that? No, I don't want to know. Don't make me upset. Don't make me upset. We're going to talk about. I accidentally sent him a used for a shirt. Yes. Put it on and took a picture and sent it to me and said something doesn't feel right. And I got it. And I found out a week later that shirt was supposed to go to buddy for one of his kids. So it's like, I single handedly screwed both those green sheets on a paper radio. So that's good. I made one up and sent it to buddy and I have bill shirt here. It's waiting for him. Way to take care of the, what do you call it? The sister station. What happens when you put me in charge? I mean, yeah. Way to take care of the sister station. Way to take a good job. To switch gears. I forgot to tell. I forgot to say this when I was talking about when I went over to to Matt's. I was quite infatuated with his, the boas that he has. He has South Brazilian. Amarillas. Yeah. They are freaking smoking hot, man. They're gorgeous. I always have, you know, I have this thing that sort of sits in the back of my mind that I think that I'd like to like one day. Have a couple Boas. I don't even care about breeding them. It doesn't matter to me, but just to have a couple Boas is kind of like, I don't know. I totally agree with you. And I think that the first dollars you should get are Dominican Red Mountain Boas. Holy crap. Don't worry. I'm going to help you. How does five sound? Five. No, I don't want five. Tomorrow, you shall have five. Okay. I could trade you for a zebra head. I'll buy no or something like that. But what? Wait, don't you have a jacket albino? Oh, I don't feel the hatred burn. No. The wheels are spinning. He's got his pen out right now. It's right on his table. He's like, if I read a zebra, I will not be calling you tomorrow. To a jacket. I could probably get albino zebra's and albino jacks and albino zebra jacks all at one clutch. Oh, I got it. The jacket albino is a girl. So, ha. Well, don't worry because the zebra head albino is a boy. Damn it. Damn it. I don't want to say anymore. Anyway, I think that's why you're the old one. Even one of them. I won't give them up. I know you won't. I'm waiting. You're done with. Do you think that discussion we have is over? No, no, no. I'm waiting. No, it sucks. It's like I have all this zebra and jag and caramel head albino stuff, right? And I would sell all that stuff, like sell stuff from that clutch. But the two clutches that I won't sell anything from is the ones that everybody wants. I can't win. The boys and ivy. The boys and ivy and the tiger head albino. Everybody else doesn't give a shit what you're doing. They want those. And it's funny because Zach and I were over in your room. And I said something that you've hit it perfectly. I'm like, God, Eric reminds me of like the dude from Harry Potter that sells everybody one. Because he's popping around all over his room and he's like, wait, what about this one? And he moves an entire stack like it's out of bin. And he puts them down and he goes through all the bins and he goes, that's not the right one. And he like close it, throws over there. And then he grabs the white again. This is it. He opens it up. He looks at the blushing on his eye, Jay. And I'm like, whoo, it looks like, you know, and of course you go through everything and rip off other bins like a stack of bins. Yeah. So it's like, you know, except the Mac clock device on that's a diamond bike on over there. And then it's like, you know, open it up. That's a tiger. It's not what I want there. It is. Look at the Mac left pipe on it. It's a crazy back over there. You know, I can't keep up with you when you run on your room, dude. It's insane. Yeah, I'm slowly, uh, I'm slowly switching the, uh, what do you call it over to, uh, a moving division rack. And the next one I have coming is the, uh, their baby rack. And then that's going to help me out a lot. You know how much I hate taking lids off. I'm going to love that one point when you eventually move into a bigger place and you have one of those platters on like wheels. And you're like, hang on. You like whip around this corner. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I hate if I have more room than now, you know, unless I was breeding rodents, I don't think that, uh, my collection is almost that max capacity. You know, if I had more space, any more, shut it down. Yeah. No, no, I didn't say that. I just said that my collection is almost at max capacity. No, there comes a point where it's like, you what you think you have any more proof. Yeah, I guess that's what prompted my conversation earlier is like, you know, when do you make the decision to, you know, uh, maybe not. Yeah. Yeah, to move stuff on. There's something I forgot to say about, you know, if you are going to remove animals from your collection, is it an unknown, um, it's a little to known rule that you have to check with your co-host before you sell things publicly? Yes. Well, yeah. Don't I usually? You do. It never usually makes it to the public. These people have no idea how many animals. I plant the seed like, uh, Ellen, do you want a zebra jack? No, I will never have a zebra jack. No, I will not get this thing out of here. And I wait, I'm like a Komodo dragon, right? And you're like the big bull, big bull that got bit on the ankle and I just sit there and I wait. And I wait and you go into the water hole and you fall down in the water hole. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to die. Just wait. You're like, uh, zebra jack. So, uh, is this the one that produced your clutches last year? Yeah. Yeah. Like, actually, I have a plan now. My zebra head albino girl and my caramel head albino girl. After I breathe them this year, maybe, maybe they might become available to a certain person. The caramel head albino. Uh, yes. Email. Yes. Anyway, you think about that. I'll go wake. You. You. Uh, you read back. Um, I'm wearing the t-shirt. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, and it was, uh, apparently, um, he's going to have revenge. So I'm going to catch the shirt. Uh, I'm going to my house. Excellent. He's going to trade out all your shirts in your entire house with kid shirts. You're going to go to work on Monday after Carba says it's going to be a tiny shirt. Tiny shirt. Yeah. My shirt will disintegrate. Yeah. Okay. That's great. Oh, man. We're not talking about snakes at all. Yeah. The people, the people did just get a nice taste of what happens when you and I have a phone call about if you're going to sell an animal because then you throw it out there. That's a little freaking more and then you believe it because right now I'm already thinking. Yeah. I know. Carma had a bio. That would be a bio. No, I don't care about zebra had a bio. Get a zebra had a bio. Carma had a bio. Read that with a bio. I get. Almost. And she's already breeding, which means all the dudes get ghost of size. Also, she's a call. So she can get plugged into the super big button. You're my. Nice. I did. No, I quit. Yeah. Um, I did promise that we were going to do, um, I try, I reached out to, um, to Anthony Caponero and I wanted to just get permission before. Um, I shared pictures and whatnot. But so this is how we're going to do this. Um, we're going to talk about, maybe we'll do this one. Maybe when we do shows where it's just me and you or whatever. But, um, I think when I. For me type of Python, uh, the whole thing can deal. Okay. Yeah. So I think for me personally, um, I think back to. 2007, I think it was 2008, when I started really wanting to get into, uh, breeding pythons. And honestly, like it's like I've, I think I've said before, I was kind of looking at royal pythons at the time. Uh, you know, I was hanging out on the Bush league breeders club and listening to the reptile radio and. And kind of digging what they were doing kind of, I want a little taste of all types of pythons. And then I stumbled upon. Anthony Capanetto's website, which was, uh, AC reptiles and he was on the show before. So if you want to hear a more in depth conversation about what he does or some of the projects that he's working with. Um, you can go check that out on iTunes. You'll be able to, uh, to find that. And, uh, I think he was on reptile radio a couple of times. You could probably track that down as well. I know he does a lot with Crusted Geckos. Um, for a long time, he was, um, big time in the carpets and he did a lot with IJs. I think he still keeps carpets, but I don't know if he does them on the level that he did in the past. Uh, I know he's more into, uh, to royals now than carpets. Um, but he does this for a living. So he kind of, it's probably why he shifted gears a bit. But anyway, when when I was first getting into carpets, um, Anthony did a really, really good, um, like presentation on breeding and keeping carpets. Um, so, you know, I'd go there and check it out, but the one animal that always stood out to me was the animal that he has, which is bullwinkle. Um, probably the thing that drew me into carpet pythons. Strangely enough, that is an IJ Jag. And you don't really see too much, uh, IJ Jags around that much anymore. You see more jungle jags, diamond jungle jags, and, uh, the yellow on that animal is just insane. That's just crazy. That's telling me the desert time never made any sense to me. Yes, of course. The jungle jags is what kind of everybody ever resettled because they have the higher percentage, the higher, the better yellow, but high percentage. I read were. I'm sorry, high percentage IJ Jags were still nothing to smear at. They were gorgeous. So it's like, why stop there? I mean. Yeah, I think it's just like with. I think it's just like with jungle jags and diamond jungle jags, the higher the percentage, the, um, the higher percentage of the subspecies, the nicer. So bullwinkle was an animal and Anthony named that animal bullwinkle because you see on a site, um, the head pattern kind of reminded them of the cartoon character bullwinkle. Um, but basically he is a 50% eerian giant jag, which means bass. Uh, he was bred. I think he was produced in 2005 and it was from a striped coastal jaguar to a wild caught eerian giant. And, uh, Anthony did that pairing and out came bullwinkle and that's just that 50%. So I guess I wonder what would happen if you, I know some people have done it, but you don't really see IJ Jags that much anymore. And, uh, I don't know. It's kind of, kind of strange. But I wonder like what would an IJ zebra jag look like? I'm sure it's been done. Um, if you're trying to do like zebra granite jags. Um, you know, but I don't know. It's just, uh, I do have one IJ jag. Um, yeah. And, uh, it's from a PC pairing. The bread to, I believe the lineage is, um, descended from, from, from bullwinkle. It might be son of bullwinkle. I know there was a, you'll see SOB sometimes that's son of bullwinkle. Right, obviously. Um, but I guess, uh, there's not really, you know, you'll hear that name pop up. Uh, if you're, you know, going through jags, you'll see or some people say sometimes bullwinkle and son of bullwinkle. Um, but there are two animals that I think son of bullwinkle has a really defined stripe. Maybe halfway down its dorsal. Um, whereas, uh, bullwinkle does not, but. You know, the potential, um, for just selectively breeding and continuing to refine that, uh, to me has tremendous potential. And, uh, I'm just wondering why. I mean, it would be nice. I mean, I had the only IJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ. And he was still really cool. He kind of had like a mustardy kind of yellow to him as opposed to like the bright neon yellow, but it was still cool to look at. I would love to see more high percentage IJ jags and with that high percentage granite jags. Yeah, I think the I can say that my caramel jag that's heck granite is probably one of the coolest coolest jags I have. I mean the orange on that thing is just insane and that's all coming from the IJ. I think that the potential to make some really, really quality animals is there. So that's really, you know, really all I know. I don't think, I think he's been bred, I know he's bred in 2007, 2008, 2009, I believe. I don't know if he's been bred after that, but you know, Anthony has produced some stellar animals from from that animal. And yeah, if you get a chance, go over acreptiles.com and he has a section where you click on say carpet pythons and it kind of go through some of the stuff he has and it's not as detailed as as he was when he was into carpets, but you know, you'll see some of the stock that he's he's worked with. And it's kind of crazy, kind of crazy like back back in those days, 2007, 2008, that really that jag was all that there was. You know what I mean? Like it's such a different feel. It really is because I mean, I remember the big debate while I was getting into carpet pythons was do I go lights out of dark side and then I went coastal. So it's like it's funny to see how far we've become and how the combinations and the beginnings have just, you know, opened up where, you know, jag was it and it was just mixing jag and it was refining jag and adding more jungle blood or ij blood. And then, of course, everything else is exploded with granite and then you had the wave that was zebra. And now you've got albino and a bunch of other stuff. I thought I'd never see in my own hands, let alone my own collection. And then there are animals that I'd never even thought would exist. So yeah, it's really cool. I like it. It's a good time for for carpet pythons for sure. You guys out there have no idea where it was like starting out in like 2000 when like a track strike was insanity. So yeah, there was no more elia pythons on radio. Yeah, it's kind of nuts. But yeah, that's the one that we'll hit on for now. We've talked about, we'll talk a little bit about, I'm just going to throw some names out there that we'll hit on in the future is, you know, gamma, gamma, line jags. There's also PC, poster child, madam blueberry, Benjamin. So, I guess the trick is to name your animals. Pulled you. For some for people to remember. Tiger. Yeah, I do want to do the original tiger. Male, um, him too, as one of them. I think he had a name to actually remember what it was. You mean balance tigers? The one that started it all before Bailey even got tigers. Don't it's in Bavarian magazine. Uh, from, uh, Neville. Well, yeah, we're going to do, uh, and you said bail and I was going to come on and talk with us, but we're going to do a show, just on tiger. So who better to talk with? Thank you. I was about to say, if you're going to do a show on tigers, you know what, Bailey? What are you doing? So, that would be cool to do. Um, and I would love to do, uh, one on other parts of what aren't necessarily in the States like that. How's that one? It's all black, the IJ or the Darwin. Oh, uh, do you mean the Melonistic? Yeah, black princess or something? Something something something. Yeah, we know what we're talking about. Yeah, so, um, I don't know. Do you see that? I'm trying to think now. Do you see that in, in like outside of the States? People name in carpet bithons and having like, Well, I don't see people doing it. I always did it because first off I'm lazy and I wanted to, when people come up and be like, Hey, I got this animal from you two years ago. I'll be like, do you remember the parents? And the second they tell me who the parents are, I can now remember who they're talking about. So, rather than having like a 12-digit number, I have stupid little baby numbers that have the parents' initials in them. So, I know who the hell this thing came from. So, it makes my life a little easier when people come looking for lineage. Also, when people are saying that they got this snake from me and they give me like a weird pairing that never happened. So, right. Yeah, I was talking, I think I was talking to you about this. I have a, this is my quest to be more high-end. But, I don't know about you, but like record-keeping and whatnot has always been something that I've tried to really be diligent about. Just as far as just knowing what's going on with my collection and be able to take a step back and digest it in a, you know, not in real time, I guess, you know, to take a step. Oh, you know, this happened to maybe reflect back and have some idea of what could have caused whatever the situation was. I've tried index cards. I don't know, they always seem to like not, I tried having holders in the front where I would keep it and then they get wet and all kinds of stuff would happen to it. I tried putting stickers on the front of the cage and just writing on that, but then there's no way to really look back on it. Like eventually it gets full. Where do you put the sticker at that point? You rip it off and what do you do with it? I tried iHURP and I even tried a reptile scan and with the way that my setup was, it kind of made it difficult. So I went back to writing it in a book, which worked for a while, but for some reason, I don't know, I just felt like I was doing too much work when it came to putting together once I had babies. And now that, you know, things are looking like I'm going to have a good, the best season that I've ever had, I'm thinking about setting up these babies and putting all this stuff together and it's quite a daunting test. So I decided to give reptile scan a chance again and downloaded the app and I got to say it's when you're dealing with a rack systems and you have a real system to a method to what's going on. I guess when I had it before, I really didn't have a method that made it kind of difficult to use and, you know, I don't know, it's working well so far and some of the cool things that they've done and there's like a pro version that you can pay for, like a subscription and I think it's, you can use it for a month, you can get three months, you can get six months a year and then there's like you pay a flat price and you never have to pay again. But you can see when you're feeding your animal, weighing your animal, if that's something you do, you know, some people do, some people, I know I really kind of weigh neonates when they're born and don't really weigh them much after that. But you could see on graphs and stuff how the animal grows and it's pretty neat. But even besides all that, it's right in your iPhone. I think it was before I used it on an Android and I've kind of found it quite cumbersome because maybe it was supposed to be made for an iPhone. It's super simple on an iPhone. Obviously putting all the animals in but is quite a task. But if you take it little by little, eventually you'll get all your animals in there. I have the Harper Pro computer system and I always liked that. It's just, I never was able to fill it out entirely because I just kind of never did it. But I like it because you can, you get your rats, you type in how many rats you have in your freezers as you do an order and then as you're feeding you, it keeps track of all that and then it will alert you when you're low. The one problem I had with it is that the Harper Pro has these set categories. They're below a ball python. I think there's one for carpet python now. I'm not sure. But even if it has a slot for a family tree, it's awesome. As long as you think about it, oh this is fantastic. I'm going to type up the family tree and then what I'll do is I'll just make it for any hold back I have. So when I sell babies, I just print out the family tree and said it was a thing. It was great. The problem is that to add pictures of animals to the family tree, they have to be added into my Harper Pro system, which is weird because I don't own those animals. But then I have to make a tab for them. So then when I'm going through my animals to see who I've got a feed or whatever, in there is Madame Blueberry and Benjamin, who I selected that they're not in my collection, still there and I sell it to go through them. It's almost like it's annoying. It's like this is the family tree. Can't I just insert a picture and then type in the description box what it is and we move on with our lives. Instead I have to start up and make up this whole profile. There's one animal that's only going to be here for one picture. Yeah, you don't have to do that when you're in reptile scan when you're going through. You can add pictures of the parents, but that's all it is. They're not in your collection. What I started with was really just my pairings for this year. I don't even have all my animals in there as of yet, but I do have all my females and all the males that are breeding this year. What you can also do is set up the clutches so you can get a QR code for your clutches. As the babies come out, a number is automatically assigned to them. The cool thing is is that if you're going to go and put that baby, you can mark it for sale. It prints out a sticker that you can put on your displays at shows, which I don't know about you, but that would be great for you. I mean, you don't have to really, but it would still be good to just have that sticker on a top of a deli cup after you sell your animal or something like that. Yeah, the other thing too is that it's similar to what iHURP does is that when you go to sell that baby, the lineage is already in there, and you also have the feed card in there. And you have all the information on the animal. It's all in that thing, and you can send it as a PDF file or you can print it out for your customer. It makes it super easy. It's all there. It's all organized, ready to go. Can you have it on multiple computers? Yeah. You need to tell me a link to this, because I'm probably going to be doing this because the one problem I also have with Herber Pro is it has to be registered to one computer or one computer only. So I can't use it on, I use it on my laptop, but if I'm at work, and I'm like, hey, I said last night, I cannot access it on my PC without paying another fee. Now you log into their website, and you log into the website, and you're able to access your account. So the actual app is on your, whether it's on your iPhone or your iPad or whatever you wanted to put it on. So you purchase the app to that, and that's more or less what reads, takes the information down. However, you can go in, similar to what you see with iHURP, you can go in and manually put things in on the computer as well. So if you didn't get a chance to use your phone, but you knew you fed a whole bunch of animals last night, you could go through and, you know, add them all at work, you know, as you're on your computer or whatever. Yeah, no problem. Well, you're supposed to don't need to work in your pictures, you know. Well, it is work, right? That's a dream. Eric is about, you know, caramel put out. Yeah, so yeah, you check it out, you know, it's definitely a cool thing. I used it before, like I said, I kind of felt it found it a bit awkward, and I don't know, I just really didn't have a feel for it, but it seems to be much smoother on the iPhone. I don't know if that's what it's made for or whatever, but anyway, I would, I'm going to use it for the season, see how it goes, and then, you know, I like the idea of just being able to access any records that, you know, if you have to go to a vet or something like that, you know what I mean? It's just, that's kind of priceless. You just print it out, and there it is, all the information right there for the vet, you know, and you can tweak it however you want, whatever you want to put like whatever kind of parameters you want to make that you're tracking, you know. Maybe you just want to take sheds and feeds, you can do that. Yeah, I like that, and I'm really good, you know, you buy an animal, I print out everything about that animal in this handy packet, fold it up and shove it in the box, and then when it arrives at your place, you have everything. Yeah, yeah, and you can actually transfer, you can transfer that animal out, I believe that's similar to something that I have had. Which is fantastic. Yeah, and I don't know. I also get really jealous when you have like stickers on your boxes, and I don't. So, that barcodes on his boxes? How many times, baby? Oh my god, so although Bailin did say that he wanted one of your new high-end cards. So, you can do a picture of him burning it like you did in my cards years ago. Yeah, he says one day. I was waiting for that to happen when you guys were at 10. I didn't have any cards, that's what I forgot. I don't find anything. Yeah, you didn't take any carpet fest cards, and he really played the radio. No, no, no. I bet you had rogue reptile cards though. No, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't have any. Because I went to go and I'm like, "Check out the new cards, oh shit, you don't say nationwide." So, you know, it's like I... I clearly wasn't playing the same thing for me. Wow, all right. Wrong symposium. I brought the wrong bag. Damn it. God damn it. Yeah. So, yeah, let's wrap this up and roll out of here. But last, next week we have Lon coming on, and we're going to be talking short tales. Blood python, etc, etc. But Lon has recently got the carpet bug. So... Only the idiots that supply to him with carpet python. Yeah. So, that should be a cool show and looking forward to talk to him. He has some amazing, amazing animals when it comes to the bloods and short tales. And we discussed this is that Lon is actually going to be the first place where my bloodline crosses with your bloodline. Yes. Weird. That's kind of weird. Interesting. Because, I mean, you and I have crossed animals before, but they've always been ones that other people produce that we just happen to own. These are animals we made, and Lon has them and that he has plans to breed them with each other. Like, wow. My babies get this. What do they call that? Slum around or whatever. Hey. I'm just messing. That is up there with your light. That's up there with the, I keep these really nice carpets and then there's Owen. Then there's Owen, what? He's, I mean, like... So, Owen has these really nice cages and that's why I said that to keep that going. But we really know you have really nice babies. I've seen them in person and have drooled over them. Well, anybody who comes to carpets, they'll get to see everything. And they can, if they are willing to play by my rules, I am totally cool with people handling animals and checking out things that they've never actually checked out in person. Totally cool. Cool. Gold face, white lips, black face, white lips, diamond pythons, olive pythons, mackels pythons, savoo pythons. If you want to touch the water python, you can. I'm telling you, it's not going to go well. I even have a blood python, which I'm pretty sure I'm just going to give her to Matt to hold so he feels better about being a carpets all by himself with the only blood. So, I figure it's like a security blanket. If you can hold the blood python, you'll be okay. Yeah. It's grub. Same deal. If you want to go play with the scrubs, it's fine. Oh, yes. Grubs. Don't bleed on my carpet. Right. Roughly. Yeah. Yeah, you have quite the collection, my friend. Quite the collection. And you'll be able to see it firsthand if you're heading out to Carpetfest. So, I guess we'll throw that date out there again. It's May 30th. It's going to be in Bird's Barrow PA. I guess pretty soon we're going to come close to trying to get together. Headcount. And we're going to have to put together the auction. So, and such. So, be on the lookout for that. Because we're really not that far away from Carpetfest. If you're thinking about it, we are not far away at all. I should get a move on. Yeah. Two months away. Yeah. So, check out the website, Carpetfest.homestead.com. You can also check out the Facebook page for updates. You should also know that on that page, there will be updates for the Northwest Carpetfest. Excellent. Those guys get their stuff together and find out when that's going to be. So, if you're out there on the West Coast, stay tuned for that. There is also talks of having a West Coast but a South West Coast Carpetfest. So, what is up with the middle of this date of the country? I mean, hello. And now we have potentially two West Coasts. Can I get a mid-west show? Come on. I'm wondering why we haven't had a Carpetfest in Florida. A southeast one? Yeah. I want all directions of a compass. All right. You know, throw me a bone here. All right. If you're in Texas, start a South. South Carpetfest. Just do it. All right. Give us something. So, I don't care if it's you and four guys in a goddamn barbecue with a weird, a slightly different teacher than the Northeast. I'd love that. Do it. Yeah. And then it would do it. And then if you do do it, next year, Eric and I will try to come out. That's how good it is. If you do one, we'll try to come out next year. Oh, absolutely. As long as it's not during our Australia trip. So, the cool thing about this year that is a nice little addition is we're going to be headed out to Reptiland on Sunday, day after. So, if you want to hang around an extra day, maybe grab a hotel, whatever you're going to do. And, you know, you'll be able to chill out, have a good time, relax up. And the next day, we're going to head out to Reptiland, which is a little bit of a drive, but no worries. And you'll get to see an awesome reptile zoo, basically. You can go on reptiland.com. I think it is. You can check out what we got. Very, very nice place. It's been redone since I've been there. So, looking forward to see it. And we have a small group that we're trying to put together to go behind the scenes. And there's a little bit of an additional cost. So, if you're interested in that, you got to get in touch with us to let us know you can contact me. Yeah. And I think half of it's probably already filled. So, if you're interested in that, be sure to drop us a message on Facebook. You can message on the carpet face, carpet face, carpet. That's the Facebook page. You know, send me a message or send out in a message, however you want to do it. You can also contact us at info@morillipythonradio.com. That would be email if you are interested in that. I don't know what else to say about it, but it's definitely worth coming. Nice place is really cool. He also has, like, you've got all the reptiles, and he also has a walking with dinosaurs garden, where he has animatronic dinosaurs. So, you can play out there, Eric. It could be so much fun for you. I promise they're not real. Nice. Dinosaurs. That was my thing when I was a kid. That's probably what led me to reptiles. Everybody's playing when they were a kid. So, yeah. Some more so than others. But, yeah, so there you go as far as Carpafescos, as far as Morillio plays on radio, you can download the show for free on iTunes. Go over and subscribe, and you will get the show as soon as it updates automatically when the show is over to iTunes. People were having a hard time accessing back shows on Blog.com's page. Apparently, it's an issue that has to do with your on a phone. So, if you're on a computer, it's a lot easier to access, but if you're on a phone and only goes back like a certain amount of episodes, I would just say that that's probably the best way to get the show is to do it on iTunes. And there's various other, you know, if you don't have an iPhone and you have a droid, I would say a droid ever. Oh, my God. I'm so tired. I have a droid. That's why I said a droid. If you have a, what can I think of the name? Oh, my God. What's the other phone? Nope. Nope. Not helping. It was fun. Yeah, I know. God damn it. That drop link. Anyway, go on iTunes. I don't know what else to tell you because it's not helping me. So, he's leaving me hanging out in the wind. You look like a dumbass. There's still one iTunes where you can go on the website and download or listen to the episode off the website, especially if you're going to do live. I know there was some concern about live streaming. I would say either do that on a computer or if your phone doesn't work. There are many ways to get a hold of The Royalty Python Radio. If you really get a show, just call Eric and talk to him for two hours. That would be fine. Yeah, you have your own personal show. Exactly. Very good. So, yeah, if you have any questions or comments or maybe I never even put this out there, but maybe even something we said that you agree or disagree with. And, you know, we'd be happy to read it on the air. Eric will, I won't. Read the comment on the air. No problem at all. No worries. So, if you want something like that, send it to info@morillipitetimeradio.com. Be sure to check it and make it happen. What else? I think that's it for as far as that goes. As far as myself, ebmorillay.com. If you want to get in touch with me about personal stuff that I have, ebmorillia or info@. Oh my God. I'm really tired. Eric, it'd be brilliant.com. I know. I've only said this for the past three years. Wow. I'm telling you, I'm turning into a pocket slowly. That's a close name. You can you can agree with me. It is hard to talk when there's no guest for two almost three hours straight. Well, people don't understand that we now have to discuss things when we are in contact a lot throughout the day. If this day go by, well, you and I don't have a discussion about something. It's a weird fucking day. So, it's one of those no guests tonight. Well, shit, we shouldn't have spoken to each other because you've been talking all day about shit. Yeah. Instead, we got to come on the show and be like, "So, what now?" I mean, so is it like, it's like, if there's no guest, you got to warn me because I'll just ignore you all day. So, yeah, that's actually a good idea. And then, it's like, and then the other part of it is, that there's a pre-show. There's a pre-show. Exactly. So, let me, you know, and talk for about 15 minutes before the show starts. So, we like, you know. There are some things in the pre-show that never leave the pre-show. It never be published publicly. So, there's some stuff in the pre-show where like you and I have been screaming at the top of our lungs, not at each other, just at, you know, various situations. And then we have to come on to the show and be like, "So, what got you the reptile?" So, it's like, you know, it's, it's, there's certain things that can and cannot be on the air. So, but when it comes to that there's nothing with us, like there's no guest, it is almost all day of us discussing topics, then there's the pre-show where we discuss another topic. And then we have to get on the show, we have to discuss more topics. And it's like, "Well, crap." And so... Yeah, it's, it's hard, yeah, it's hard for me to, to relate to because I got to be honest, I've heard Rob Stone say this to us, but when I used to listen to reptile radio, I actually used to enjoy when Larry and BT would talk to each other and they would just shoot the shit, you know, I always found those shows to be, you know, the most fun or whatever, you know. And I guess I can't relate to it because I think, "Well, why would you want to listen to me and Owen talk?" But there are people, I mean, you watch, you look at the, at the, you know... There are people listening to the show and the... The story of the show's words that you and me speaking... Shooting the shit... About nothing. Yeah. Yeah. But it's the sign felled of the reptile world, you know what I mean? We just talked about having to go about nothing. So anyway, ebmerlea.com. Eric at ebmerlea.com. If you want to send me an email, ask a question, want to chat about something, you know. I like to hear show ideas, so by all means, send them as well. And if you do know somebody, just be sure to send the info of that person because it just makes a... You don't do that. I mean, come on. Well, yeah, especially if it's like maybe one of the Mirelli et cetera shows that we might hit on to something different outside the box. I know we're trying, I'm trying to line up a Candoia show. Talk about some Viper Boas and such. I think that would be really... Both have been picking up in popularity. And it's weird because one that is the most popular is the one you never see. People are doing eight shit for the white ones. And I think everybody else is like not getting that message. And it's like you see Viper Boas everywhere, but they're not the white ones. It's like people really want the white ones, but all the importers can get are the non-white ones. They're everywhere. So, right. It's like there's a little bit of a difference. But yeah, they're so cool. I promise I won't get them after we have a show on Candoia. So... I promise you will. I promise I won't. How many times have you heard that, people? Anyway, all right. Three years ago, I was a young happy man with like seven coastal carpet pythons, all right? Now you have a mini snake farm. You love every minute of it. Be sure to like us on Facebook. That would be for Moralia Python radio. That would also be for E.B. Moralia. That would be for Rogreptiles. And I don't know if I want to ask Twitter, but all those are on Twitter as well. So, I am kind of tech savvy that when I post something to my Facebook page with a Moralia Python radio Facebook page, it also posts to Twitter right away. So, pretty neat. So, you can follow either way to get your info. I've noticed that the Facebook page for NPR has been picking up and that's good to see. So, hopefully we'll keep that going. I don't have anything else looking forward to the show next week with Lon, talk some short tales and some bloods. That's it. So, I guess whatever you got, Owen. And oh, be sure to go and listen to GTP Keeper radio and the show that they just did. They did the Kondro breeder, female Kondro breeder roundtable. It was, well, we had the one Kim from Southern Kondros on. She was on there with them. And I can't remember exactly the other two, but they're big-time Kondro people. But yeah, it was a great show, a lot of information in there, different things. Especially towards the end, they talked to various things that they do in certain situations, which is always good. So, check it out. Yeah, it's a good show. That's all I got. All right. What I can say is you can go to rogue-reptiles.com. We'll be doing updates on the website as well as you can go and like rogue-reptiles with facebook.com. We are winding down with breeding season. We still got some animals that are breeding, but we're expecting our first couple eggs to drop in the next few weeks. If you want to contact us about any babies for sale, you can drop me a line at through the website or through Facebook. As for shows, the next show we're be attending is the April 28th Hamburg reptile show. I know it's a little bit ways away, but starting to warm up, I just received two pair. I just see the fair white lips today. So, shipping is back open. Let me know. We are almost out completely out of 2014 babies, so don't wait. Give us a call. And what I will say is thank you all for listening. And we will catch everybody next week for some more Morelia Python radio. Good night. Hey, Chad Brown here. You may remember me as a linebacker in NFL or as a reptile breeder in the owner of Proxox. I've been herping since I was a boy and I've dedicated my life to advance in the industry and educating the community about the importance of reptiles. 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