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Tonight, I sit down with Heidi Luv of Unfiltered Rise Podcast to discuss her awakening, high strangeness from her early childhood and the very occult side of Mormonism...

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Duration:: 1h 51m
Broadcast on:: 26 Jun 2024
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How's everybody doing tonight? Thanks again for joining me for another Wednesday live podcast here. You know, I'm trimmed up the goatee. I cleaned a little bit clear from last time. You know, I've got a really awesome guest tonight. I was grateful enough and had the privilege to be on her show last night. And we had a really killer conversation. I mean, it was really cool. I mean, we probably could have kept talking for another two, three hours. But, you know, we have bedtimes and families and all that. We got to get to. So she's had a very interesting awakening, you know, after kind of talking with her a little bit last night and getting to know her, her awakening is very interesting, profound. And the way she went about this, I actually, I give a lot of credit because she was very objective about her approach. And, you know, I think more of us should kind of take note of this too. She had some very interesting high strangeness in her childhood. That she recalls and she's remembering more and more of. We're going to dive into a little bit tonight and she used to be Mormon. So we're going to be digging into the very occult side of Mormonism, which we don't usually get to see very often. But this is going to be highly interesting. So guys, I want to welcome to the stage high love of unfiltered rise podcast. What is going on, Heidi? Heidi, I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. Of course, of course, I was looking forward to this. You know, after our conversation last night, I was really, I was really like, man, we have to dive into some of the things that we talked about a little bit further. Because I think not only, you know, do I find them very interesting. I think a lot of the listeners and the viewers are going to find it very fascinating too. So let's just get down to business. How you, let's talk about your awakening. Let's talk about your burning bush moment. And what you did did at the initial stages of this burning bush moment, because like I said, I commended you last night for this, because this is really like the way you went about it. You know, on how objective you were, get right into it. So I was like a very normy person. I was already far out of the Mormonism by this time. But in 2020, I just saw everything that was happening. And as a registered nurse this year, it will be 25 years. I went, hmm, these studies are not matching what they say. And this doesn't make any sense because I knew about masks. And if you touch it once and then you got to get a new one. And this whole big thing that they teach in school. And I'm like, this doesn't, this isn't going to work like this. I don't understand what they're doing. People are going to get sick. And so I started looking at JAMA studies and all the things. And mainly it was like, I need to find the answer to why this makes sense now. But it never has made sense ever before like this. And I wanted to basically prove that I wasn't losing my mind. Because I was like, this doesn't make sense. I mean, I just don't, I don't understand. And the more I got in, the more I was like, now it makes even less sense. And now I'm showing studies to other people. And now I'm going through like all these things. And this isn't like junk science. This is JAMA papers, the Journal of Medical Association papers is what that stands for. I was going through OSHA paperwork, my husband works in a mine. So they had a lot of talks about different things about this. And I just could not find any hard evidence to support anything that they were doing. And as the asthmatic, I was like, yeah, this is crap. I can't, I literally can't breathe. And so I kept looking, looking, looking because I wanted it to work out. Because you don't want to be the person at work that's like, yeah, I don't, I don't like any of this. This seems nuts, you know, especially in that environment, man. Because like, you know, you're not the first person in that field who I've spoken to has had this realization. So I got to commend you for that. That must have been a very interesting experience to be in that environment and have these realizations. Yeah, it sucked, but I was saved by one thing that I never thought would save me as I'm severe asthmatic and I'm epipen allergic to a whole bunch of things. So my doctor was like, yeah, you probably shouldn't take any of this stuff. And so I was lucky because I was like, yeah, I wasn't going to anyway. And I was probably going to lose my job. So luckily I didn't have to lose my job. If they had ever asked me to vaccinate anyone, which didn't happen because I work nights, blessedly, I would not have done it. I never gave one, never taken one and would refuse to do so to this day. You know, it's just not something that I'm willing to breach. But I also tried to like educate people and say, you know, did you see this mask study? Or did you see this JAMA study? Did you see this or that? And they just, they don't want to hear it. They treated you like you're, you're nuts. You know, and I'm like, wait, this is like the people you read. Like this is your, your doctor. You read these studies, like what are you doing? And they just, everybody was just social justice warrior. Get out of our way, you dumb lady. Um, what are you trying to kill everybody? You know, that's so, so my question is this. My question is it's like, so I've always theorized that this kind of behavior, this kind of thing comes from the higher ups in the, in the medical institution. I don't know if maybe you experienced something like that while you were going through this or not, but. It was like everything was like, Oh, well, we have to do it because corporate. Oh, we have to do it because they say, or we have to, we're going to get shut down because the, the CDC is going to come in here and I'm like, OK, that, that doesn't make any sense. I mean, OK, like really, we're going to put tape on the floor for each person to stand at and we're in a confined area in a locked down mental patient place where people, by the way, have schizophrenia and you put a mask on. And now you're an evil, whatever you are. And it's just scaring the crap out of everybody. You know, and I'm like, this doesn't seem like this is a good idea. You know, let alone the stuff we saw in 2020. It was probably one of the saddest times to ever have worked in mental health, because we have our people, our core people that come in for certain things, like PTSD and stuff like that. And then we have this other group that's like, see you next Thursday, Ted. Like they're just there so a lot, you know. And then we have this group in 2020 that didn't belong. And they were the people that got naked and sat on their roof and waited for the rapture and I'm not kidding. And I did not know about this. Oh, my gosh, it was so bad. We would get them like once a week. The cops had come in with the people and they're like, here you go. And it would always, I'm not sure why you have to take off your clothes. I think if the rapture happens, we're good to leave them on. I think they'll just go wherever they need to go. And probably then you may have stayed on the roof and not got the cops called. I don't know, you know, but this was like a thing. And I felt bad for people. I was like, this is wild because they actually scared these people to death. And these people were breaking. Yeah, these people were literally terrified to be alive in this world. And, and that's the same reason why even family members that I had talked to about like, please just wait, I'm not telling you not to do it. The cure is the cure, but like, can you just wait like this was really fast? This is how it's normally done. This is what happened, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's why it's called warp speed. Like, maybe it's a bad idea. Can we wait a little while? You know, I really love you. Can you wait? No one waited. Everybody was scared. No, it's, it's, it's that state of mesmerized terror, you know, that we, we talked about last night. And, you know, I, I found it interesting. Cause what I was paying attention to at that time is a lot of these really rich, like philanthropists and like billionaires said they were waiting at least six years before they would even consider to, to take a look at their, to take the bags here, whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're all good. Now they don't like what we're talking about. It's just, this is what happens. And you're all good. Yeah. Half of last night when we started saying project this and project that they got, they got their little trigger words and things like that. But no, it is. That's what it is. That they put that. I mean, it just based on what you're saying there, I mean, you have people who are ignoring, I mean, people who claim to be people of science who can't claim to, you know, be following this, ignoring actual scientific studies. And apparently this is all coming from corporate. And what I really dug, you try debunking yourself. Let's talk about that. Like that is just too cool. Because like that, that's a good way to do it. Let's get into it. Blue pill myself. Yeah, I was trying to blue pill myself backward, right? Instead of the red pill, I was like, no, no, I need the blue pill. Because I just, I just felt like I wasn't right. I just felt like, well, if this is true and I feel this way about Mormonism as well when we get into this, I'm like, OK, if I found this online, this is so simple to find online. This did not take that long. I mean, once you go down the rabbit hole, it takes long, but like not at the beginning. And so I'm like, why is nobody listening? Like, this literally doesn't make sense to me. Like, I was like, it's too easy, right? Like this, this doesn't make sense. So if I can find it, they can find it and I can show them and they still don't believe me. So I was like, I must clearly be wrong, you know, like there's got to be something that they know that I don't know, right? Like, how'd you guess I do yourself? They had you guess like yourself. I was like, help me, help me, help me, help you help me. Like, I don't know. But I was like, there's got to be some other answer because all these other people around me are like believing this one thing. So I wanted to believe it too, because I mean, you know, you want to be, especially at work. It was really hard at work. So I was like, OK, well, this just isn't going to make sense no matter what I do. Like, I can't find one single thing that makes a lot of sense. So therefore, I'm like, hypothesis is it doesn't make sense. So yeah, I just kind of had I got to give you credit for that, though, man, because like, you know, I completely understand the situation. I mean, you I mean, and I can completely empathize with your state of mind at that point of time as well, because, you know, it's it's your job. It's your career. It's what supports you to your livelihood. And here you are face to face with the truth. But then this greater collective of people working with you is buying the why. Yeah, and your parents and and also I didn't mention I don't think I mentioned this, but the church pushed this narrative. The Mormon church came out and said everyone should give the cure because it's great for everyone. And that right there triggered me really hard because I was like, wait a minute. We don't give medical advice to people in a generic, let's just give that to people because everybody's different and you might have endocrine problems and he might have cancer and they might have diabetes and they might have a thyroid problem and whatever's going on, we never go, yep, it's great for everybody. Everybody should do it, especially kids. And I was like, OK, not the kids. Like we're definitely not not touching children here. For me, I yanked my kids out of school. They homeschooled for a year and a half and they were not. That was a good move. That was a good move, though. I think as a parent, like that was a good job. I commend you for that because, yeah, no, um, it it it it overall. It messed up everything and messed up a lot of things. It messed up kids, you know, and but no, let's keep on rolling. So like, you know, eventually, eventually what I what I was going to say is this, this led to your awakening, this, this led to you kind of getting into and just, you know, that igniting that divine spark within you. And like, I guess like what I want to ask is when did it really come full circle at that point for you? So I think and I kind of had it in the back of my mind that everything was a lie right there and you only have to have one thing, honestly, as a conspiracy theorist that breaks you, right? Like you have to have one conspiracy where you're like, oh my gosh, this might be true. Well, what if they're right about this other thing, right? Like, and so you start looking, especially if you have time off work and everybody's staying at home together, you start like listening to a lot of things. I was already a podcast junkie anyways, so I went down more rabbit holes. Yeah. And so I just got really deep Brian Christian. If you're out there at last American vagabond, he did a stellar job about exposing a lot of this during that time. He has four hour shows and I was listening to them every single day. And I would know the stuff like two weeks before the stuff would come out. And my mom would say, how did you know that? And I'm like, I listened to the people. There's people talking about this. Like, I don't understand. And I kept saying like, this can't be real. Like for a while it was, it stayed that way. And then at the same time, I'd already been out of the church. I was a Christian. I was very lukewarm Christian. Now, when I say I was a Christian, it means I believe in Christ and the Bible. Like I never went back to another church because fool me once, right? Yeah, can't be fooled again. No, yeah, yeah, it was, it was too much. And so I believed in, but I never really delved into that either. Because like, why, right? I mean, like, oh, I'm ever here doing all these other things. And so I actually lost my daughter at this in 2020. Also, she didn't die. She just estranged from our family and said, say, Nara, that was really hard and really weird. And it was an ego. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. Did it have to be if you don't mind diving into it? Was everything. Yeah, I, yeah, yeah, it's not a shot. It wasn't religion. She met a guy, the guy met us twice. He didn't like us and off we were. So, um, and, and now I'm a toxic narcissist. I went from her best friend on earth in the planet of the world. And we did everything together to a toxic narcissist overnight almost. And I was like, whoa, and when somebody does that to you, even if you're not one, you start going, maybe I am one. Well, what, what I'm going to tell people also, if you are one, you, you'll never ask yourself if you are, you don't care. So like there's a question right there. Like if you're asking yourself that, you're probably not a narcissist. So, um, not that we all can't be toxic at times. Definitely we can. Uh, I'm guilty as the next person. I have a hot temper and I'm loud. So, you know, I started really turning to the Bible because I was so low. I just, I don't know. I've gone through deaths of family. I've gone through divorce. I've gone through, you know, leaving religion, being excommunicated, basically of my family, from leaving religion, all these weird things and nothing affected me like that child because that's your kid, man. And like, and I'm talking a full cut off, like new phone number blocked on everything. Don't contact me. Don't talk to me. You're a bad person. And I was just like, Oh my gosh, you know, like this is, and I just couldn't quit crying. So I just really turned to God, turned to prayer, turned to the Bible, turned to journaling, and have this own little journey of my own back, like from this horrible, yucky place I went for a while where I didn't want to hurt myself or anything like that, but I just didn't really want to be around. You know, I was fine either way, basically. Yeah. Um, I was saying I'm sorry, passive SI at work. Yeah, you know, it happens and I don't know it's becoming more and more popular. Like this, this is like a thing that they're doing to kids now to separate them from their families, because if you don't have a family and you need a therapist, well, that's a paycheck for the rest of your life. If you don't have a parent anymore and you have to call your therapist for every little thing, um, yeah, you probably have some issues, you know, like it's not healthy behavior. Does that mean you have to stay on the telephone with somebody as they berate you and scream at you, you just go, I'm going to call you tomorrow. You don't have to do that. You don't have to like suffer through it either. You know, you can say, I'm going to make a boundary with you that I'm not going to talk to you for a couple of days. You just have to say it because you can't leave a person hanging because it's really toxic, it's bad behavior. And also, yeah, you can't fix anything that you don't talk about. Big surprise, you know, of course, of course, no, and like, you know, it is. And I think part, you know, we, as we were like talking about last night on your show, I truly feel like a lot of that can potentially be purposefully done, you know, we, we talk about that plausible deniability. Um, and, uh, you know, what they were doing, you know, with the orphan trains and things like that up in New York. So, no, I, I'm sorry you had to go through that. I can, I can't exactly understand, but I can empathize 100%. Yeah. It's weird because like she, like I said, she wasn't just my daughter. She was my best friend. She was 23 at the time and she got married without me. She sent me a uninvite. Don't show up basically message. Um, she had a baby without me that this has been going on for five years. Um, and she came to town actually last week. Oh, well, it's been a couple days. And I had to suck up my own pride and say, I'm not going to keep my children from her, like she's doing for me because that would be wrong because inherently I feel like that's a bad thing to do because they want to see their sister, right? And you are not invited and stay away from us. I know it's like, right. Well, well, you, you, you definitely, one thing I'll commend you on is your strength for making it through that because, you know, um, like I said, I, I'm not a parent. I, I'm a dog parent, but I'm not like an actual, you know, a real full time parent just yet. But I, I, I've, you know, cause I look back at the things I did to, to my parents when I was young and, uh, you know, didn't have my, my head on or my mind straight at that time. And I can only imagine what you went through. So get on you for, you know, overcoming that and finding the way through that. So that was the time where I really became, I think who I am a piece of who I am today, cause it's always evolving, right? Like, but that ego death really did need to occur because I figured out something in the midst of it all. And, and God works in weird ways. And I know that for certain now, um, is I definitely made my child an idol. That's not good or healthy or, or even healthy for my marriage. Like that bumps my husband, right? Like that's not a healthy thing to do in general. We can love our kids, but honestly God has his division, like the parents at the top and then the kids for a reason, like, because the kids are going to grow up and move away and then you're just by yourself. Now, if you haven't put the work into your marriage. So you can't just say, well, too bad, you know, you have to, um, get yourself together that way. And it, and it did help me do that. And it helped me develop and change what I was doing, how I was doing it, why I was doing it, like figure some things out. You know, you really have to look at yourself. When somebody says, here's a mirror. You suck. Basically, you have to go, maybe, yeah, maybe I do suck a little, you know, you know, I completely, you know, it's, it's about being honest with ourselves, you know, especially, especially, um, I think, I think that's something more of us on our spiritual evolutions that, you know, we have to do that just a little bit more, you know, and take that. But it's good to, it's good to see that you did that. That's a great thing. Yeah. Yeah. So that led me down more studying pathways of all of these, uh, different conspiracy. I used to think conspiracy was stupid. I was like, um, yeah, no, I was like, all about the murder podcast, and, and actually that really isn't a terrible thing to know. But like also you're loose. We talked about loose grabbing and that's, I think that's done for a reason. I think if it's an explanatory way to tell somebody, this is why we need to be safe in life or this is what we shouldn't do. Like that's all good. Um, but also like if you just are in it to be gory or whatever the reason, maybe like maybe that's not so good, you know, um, and I started changing even strange things about my life, like, oh, I didn't listen to as much music. I was much more happy doing something or whatever, like different music or, um, more productive things, even if it was as simple as coloring. Coloring is productive. Watching TV. Isn't right. Yeah. Yeah. The artistic do something and it was, it was a small little changes that I was like, okay, you know, this helps me decompress. Um, and also I made something. Like maybe you're not five years old and you're not going to give it to your mom, but like you still did it, you know, so exactly. I was going to ask with the music because I think that's something a lot of us, you know, once we get to a certain point of, uh, you know, when we're learning, like I feel you on that. I, there's, there's just certain bands and certain music I can't listen to anymore. Uh, you know, because I know they're in on it. I know that they were, they were fabricated by Tabasock. Yeah. The CIA and, and, uh, you know, so, so did, did you kind of have that same realization too? And was that a reason why I like you kind of started listening certain kinds of music or? I think more it's like a TV changed a lot for me that way because I got to the point where I'm like, if this isn't real, I just don't care. Like I, I don't want to watch, you know, something like Seinfeld back from the past, which I loved back then. Okay. And now I'm like, wow, this is stupid. I really like this back then. I'm like, I, and it's great for a couple laughs, but now I'm more on the knowledge train where I'm like, I'd rather watch a biography or I'd rather learn something or I'd rather read something or whatever. And so it got different that way. And then, and then music faded down because I'll tell you, I'm a little bit older than you. We talked about this. I'm going to be 48 this year and I grew up when gangster hardcore rap was the deal, right? And so my son always says, like, I'm going to shoot your mama and still your girlfriend. I'm like, that's mom's music, you know, and I'm like, shut up. That's whatever. And he's like, I'm going to curb stomp, yeah. And then I started really listening to the lyrics and I'm like, maybe, maybe so. Like, and so I backed off. I love a happy beat. I'm a happy music person. If I'm listening to music, it's never slow. It's always a good, faster tempo, but like it just did become to a point where I'm like, yeah, this probably isn't helping me be any kind of positive. You know, this is probably doesn't mean every once in a while, I don't put it on. But now with everything going on, yikes, Diddy. Yeah, you know, it's funny. Did you see the Diddler memes? Oh, my goodness, they had, they had his head plastered on on the the Riddler from Batman. And then they labeled it the, oh, my God, dude, I was dead. Well, the best one is the, the little short clip of him sitting next to Mike Tyson. And he tries to put his, have you seen this? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's hysterical. You have to watch it. It's, he puts his hand. He tries to get to Tyson in the day back when Tyson was like biting people's ears off. And he puts his hand on his upper thigh. It is a clear thigh grab and he picks it. I'm not kidding. He's like, and moves his hand like that on TV. And there's this clip of it, right? And I'm like, this is hysterical. And that tells you how much he felt in power. Like you're going to try Mike Tyson. When Mike Tyson was the baddest mover out there, like that's probably not smart. You know, and he sat there and looked like, like he couldn't believe that he would move his hand. Oh, absolutely. I probably would. You got to find that. That's hysterical. Dude, dude, I'm definitely going to look that up. Cause I, I most certainly would have done the same thing. I, I, I don't care how rich and famous you are. And if you tried to come grab my thigh or my ass, we're going to have a conversation. No, no, you're like at some level, whether it's guy on guy, girl on girl, girl on guy, whatever it is. I'm sorry. You don't do that. Like, where, where were your manners? Like, you don't do that. You don't just sit next to somebody and start grabbing them. Like, you know, Donald Trump got a lot of trouble for grabbing things. I don't think that it's any difference. Okay. Guys, other body parts, whatever, keep your hands off people unless you've been invited. So exactly, exactly. Well, well, you know what, what I want to dive into you with you real quick, um, is something we talked about last night and something we talked about on the show a lot before. Um, so you were in a gifted program. I was. You were, you were, so, so let's dive into that a little bit. And if you don't mind, I know you can't go into certain details. But let's talk about what you don't remember a lot. But yeah, and I don't want, I don't want you, I don't want you disappearing either. So, you know, that, that's all. Key and point. Yeah. But, um, let's talk about your experience in the gifted program. And let's talk about what happened when you got in all that trouble and what you did to fix yourself out of getting into that trouble. Yeah. So the weird thing was, was when I was a kid, um, I was always. Kind of on the fringe of kids, like, and my daughter does it now and I see it and she's labeled ADHD and I'm certain I probably have that. So, I mean, it's, it's definitely, I see it in her, I like boundary wise, like playing or whatever. I was a little aggressive, like not hurting anybody, but like, Oh, you don't want to play. Why wouldn't you want to play like, you know, a little bit like that? So my mom did say like, Oh, it's just, they kept moving me up classes. They tried to skip me a grade. Then I ended up in this gifted program and I don't remember a whole ton of this. You know, um, she talks to me about it. But one time I was listening, actually it was on sound triple E when Johnny mentioned being in the gifted program and he was talking about something, something that they went through. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I went through this, but I thought this was the school psychiatrist, like what? And so I was like, Mm, and then the more they talked about it. So I started looking things up because I was like, that can't be real. That's, that's no. No, this guy, this guy came once, like once a week or so and would grab me out of class and do all these weird tests on me. And I'm like, I clearly remember a bunch of things that are mentioned in the gate program, like later now that we go back and research, like we talked about mine was bubblegum years. Well, I don't know. I can't remember the fruit punch. The free says. So yeah, that's so, so listeners, you know, when we had, um, you know, a nerd nerd in charge and urban official on where they were talking about the banana. And I said fruit punch that mine was like a fruit punch. She had a bubblegum kind. That's very interesting. A couple of them spink. And so I'm like, that's, it's weird. Cause I remember thinking my mom did have to sign. She, she talked to me about this and she said, um, that they were just going to help me out because I was super smart and not paying attention class. And I'm like, okay, whatever, but they were doing so many things. They were doing all this testing and like inkblot tests and weird stuff. And, and the marble. Do you know those steel marbles where you? Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. And, and I kind of feel like they may have used that to hypnotize a little bit because even to this day, I can self hypnotize myself, which is weird. Um, not to like go into a trance, but to go to sleep because I have a hard time sleeping sometimes and I can't and I can hear that noise. And I'm like, maybe this was, that's weird, but I did this for like a year. And then, um, they tried to take me for summer camp in the summer and my mom was like, um, and they're like, Oh, it's super good because she's super smart. We've done all these tests on her. She's really high up on aptitude, blah, blah, blah. And I already probably knew that. My dad, I don't think I mentioned, but I told you he was a genius, but he was an evil genius. Um, and he had like multiple patents. He had a really high IQ, he'd also gone to prison. Um, and so, you know, uh, a little bit evil genius there. Uh, so even when he died, he had a Ponzi scheme that came back around, which was hilarious. So, um, to me, the other siblings didn't think so. I was like funny dad, like whatever. Um, it's like his spirit is living on, I guess, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of funny. And so they got their money anyways, that they sue the estate, whatever, but long story short is my mom said, I don't think so, you know, and I was so happy that she was like, no, she's not going. And it was kind of a bummer at the time because I remember thinking, like, this is a special, this is special, you know, you're holding me back. Um, but I'm pretty sure she probably saved me from a world of trouble. I'm assuming absolutely. I mean, especially because I mean, you're not the first person I've heard about the summer camps from, um, I've heard this from a lot of other people as well. And almost like these summer camps have some kind of MK ultra kind of, um, programming implemented into them. I remember, uh, I was on a show with somebody one time and they were talking about how like they don't even remember it, but all they do remember is they were putting them in this box and they were filling these boxes with these crickets. And things like that, just very strange, strange things. Yeah, I'm glad I missed that one because I hate spiders and stuff, but I do have huge holes in my memory. Like I'll look at pictures of like happy things, like Disneyland or I'm like, damn, I really was there. That's weird. Yeah, and I'm not five, like, you know, if you're five and under whatever, you might not remember, but I'm like 10. And, and I'm like, I don't, I remember this. And then people are like, well, you did have this horrible childhood. And so maybe it was that because maybe this childhood triggers from like all this, you know, my stepdad was really mean and hit me a lot. And my mom had a lot of problems with him hitting her and all this stuff or my dad going to prison or whatever was going on. I'm like, okay, well, you know, maybe it's that, but then how can I can remember all those bad things? Like, it's not that it's specific stuff, like specific timeframes. And then I had a cousin and I asked him about it. I said, Hey, I know they had you in that program too. And he's like, yeah, and I'm like, do you have like huge holes in your memory? He's like, you know, that show. Oh, I can't remember the name, but it's with the girl. She's a seven or no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm a brown haired girl and she like she's in the CIA. I can't remember, but it was a whole series. He's like, I feel like that's me. And I'm like, yeah, I get it. And I'm just like, yeah, that's weird. And he's the same way. And I'm like, I think they track families. I really do. I think my dad got out of trouble. I was telling you, I know he did. He told me the story. I just didn't believe him. I thought he was completely full of shit because you have to understand my dad. He's like George Carlin, like, OK. And so he was the cynical, crusty, life did him wrong, type one diabetic. And I was like, hmm, I don't know. You shot somebody once, like, just because you were mad. You shot them in the shoulder. Like, I don't know if I buy this, you know? And he's like, no, no, one time I got caught with all this drugs on me. And I was definitely going to go to prison. And they were like, if you come with us and I'm a three letter agency, offered this to him and do these certain things, then maybe we'll let you go. And I had to do with like flying things out of certain places in coffins, funny enough. But the thing is, is later I saw a documentary on this and I was like, this is real. Like, I literally was like, this is not real. And then later he dies. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is real. Like they did this whole expose on, you know, how a bunch of drug, illegal drugs got into the US during Vietnam war times being shipped in the caskets. Of the veterans that had passed away. And there's a whole expose about it. And I was like, watching it going, I have heard this story before. Oh, it was kind of freaky because I always thought my dad was just utterly full of shit because his stories were so like crazy. But now I have all these crazy stories and I'm like, I get it. I get it. Yeah. So that and yeah, you know, about that time he got out of it the once. But like I said, he did get nailed later. And my stepdad just ramped up to a point where my mom finally was like, yeah, I know more of this. And I ended up being a ward of a court and that sucked, but I ended up living with my grandma. And so I went from this crazy chaos and I'd always been a Mormon. But that's like a Jack Mormon, like you go with your neighbors or whatever. People feel bad for you and take you to church. But like I wasn't indoctrinated at that point. I was, but I wasn't not like I became. So at 13, my grandma actually took me in and I knew one thing. My dad wasn't a Mormon. He was in big trouble. My mom was a Jack Mormon. She seemed to be in a lot of trouble. My grandpa who lived with my grandma and she used to say, I had four kids in your grandpa's biggest one I ever raised because they got married at 14 and 16. And he was in a biker gang and it was, he was in one percenter. Yeah, he was, it was serious. Very interesting. Yeah. All my uncles were sundowners and everything. And so like I saw this chaos and I'm like, I think the safe person is grandma over here. I think we should go to church because she seems to have it together, you know. These other people not so good. Yeah, I totally understand that's, that's, you know, that's, it's very interesting, you know, the, the how you heard this experience from your father and then just, you know, down the road sometime you see this documentary and you're like, holy crap, this is what he was doing. I wish he was alive. I wish he was alive when that happened because my job was literate. You could not have picked me up off the floor after that moment. I was like, holy crap, like, cause I just thought he was kidding or I don't know. I mean, it just sounded too unreal, you know, like it doesn't sound real. And so, but like I said, he didn't just get caught with the drugs. He shot somebody in the shoulder, like he was going to go down for attempted murder. And it was a big charge and, and he's like, yeah, and this and this and blah, blah, and then it made sense later because his brother was actually high up in the air force and was a pilot. And so this had to do with lanes. And I'm like, this makes a lot more sense when you're older, you know, and you put these things together and you're like, huh, weird, okay. And I did verify with one of my uncles was a green berry. He was in the special forces. He was presidential duty the whole day. He's like, there were deals. Yeah, you bet there were. And I was like, oh my gosh, like, it's just weird, it's weird to know that he wasn't totally full of shit. No, exactly. No. And I think that's interesting. It came full circle for you to, for you, when you saw that documentary, excuse me, and, you know, it's funny. I'm wondering, I'm wondering if they still do that. I'm wondering, I'm wondering if these alphabet agencies, they catch somebody in there that's got somebody, you know, high up somewhere and they're like, all right, look, like, you know, you want to. Would not. Right. I mean, what better, what better guy to go undercover than a guy that really does do that? You know, I mean, he was already kind of in trouble for doing that very thing. So like, he looked the part, he was kind of, I mean, he was obviously buying more drugs than just his own, or he wouldn't have been lined up for prison, right? Like, it was, it was a lot. And I mean, it would have put him away for a very long time. And just later, my son said, because my dad was really involved in their life later, he said, Papa would be so proud, you came full circle, that you're out and you're crusty and you don't believe anything now. And I'm like, yeah, I guess he would. That's really, that's really cool. I like that. No, I like that. So, so one thing I want to dive into you real quick, you know, this is initially when you and I were chatting, definitely caught my interest, because I know, you know, the occult and a lot of different esoteric, you know, philosophies is at a very core, but it's a core fundamental to a lot of what we know is the organized religions today. I mean, we see these occult aspects, you know, kind of showcase themselves in pretty much every religion. And one thing that you brought up to me that I found it insanely fascinating and I'm really looking forward to diving into this was that Mormonism has a really huge occult background to like, this is, this is cool. And I'm going to go to a slideshow here in one second, I came across this, I want people to know, here I am studying the Bible, praying to God, like, I'll do anything like I'm desperate to like, be put kind of back together, right, like, I'm very sad at this point. And God's like, well, what about a podcast? And I was like, yeah, not that I don't know what idea like, I know three people, like, literally, I'm like, this isn't going to work because I know three people. And they probably don't like me, like, I don't know, like, it's not going to go well. I just don't have that many friends. I don't have a big, I'm not a networker. I'm just like, my own kind of person. And so I was like, this is no. And so then the next thing was, and I put it in the back burner was, you need to study these books. And I'm like, about the occult. Are you crazy? Like, I mean, like this kept just, God's not literally talking to me. These are just thoughts in my mind that I'm like, why am I supposed to do this? I don't want to do this. This sounds scary. I don't want to do scary things, you know, I was very mainstream. You have to understand, like, I barely knew who Crowley was. I didn't know who John D was at all. And I got led to John D. And when I found out who he was, because I didn't know, I was like, no way, this isn't a cult book. Like, this is spooky. I don't, I don't want to sleep at night, you know, like, this is scary to me. And so I was like, all right, I'm just going to try and skim it and do my best. And then I ran across these things that I'm going to show you. So I'm going to share screen here and this will make more sense because a picture is worth a thousand words. And when I put this together originally, I did so because I kept trying to explain it to people and it wasn't going that great. It was like, okay, yeah, we get it. Okay. Let's see. I'm pushing share, but it doesn't want to. And it was just like, no, people didn't get it. They're like, no, I've heard about the Mormons. They're fine. They're nice people. What do you mean? You know, there we go. And I'm going to find it really quick first. And so I was like, well, I don't know if you know this about Mormons and this is what, where it started really making sense for people. So let me know what you can, can you see this? Yes, we can. We got it up right now. So I'm going to tell you a little bit about this. This is Joseph Smith's mother's handwriting. And this is actually provided by the church history library in Salt Lake City, Utah, which is the actual mainstream Mormon churches. It's theirs. They've got this out for people to see. And the thing about having something out for people to see is it's really hard to say someone's full of crap if you have receipts. So that's exactly what I decided. I was going to do as a presenter of this because it sounds insane. So this is the first thing I found. And I was like, what does this mean? His mom was writing a letter to one of her friends in the family. And she's basically saying, we're not lazy. This isn't what we do all day. And I'm going to read the part. It says, let not my reader suppose that because I shall pursue another topic for a season that we stopped our labors and when it trying to win the faculty of a brack, drawing magic circles or ceasing to the neglect of all kinds of business. Oh, OK. So she's saying, yeah, we do all that all the time, but we're not only doing that. I mean, we work. You know? So the house of a brack is a funny little word. And I did not know what it meant. But I had some sort of idea because I've heard the word abracadabra before, right? And so I'm like, OK, what does this mean? So obviously, the house of a brack is a braxis is noted. If you look it up, put in house of a brack, it's going to come up. I'm looking at the symbolism in that right now. And I have it's screaming a certain something to me, but well, I'll tell you what I think after you're done for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like, well, what the heck is his mom talking about this for, right? So you have to know a tiny bit of the backstory of the Mormon church. And this is their, well, this is the mainstream version that they like to pick, but also this was happening four different times in four different ways, but this is the one they chose. So Joseph Smith had an angel visit him after he had had a blackout in a grove because he went to pray and say, what church should I join? Because there's a Bible verse that says, let you ask of God if you don't know about something. So he has a fit of darkness. This should sound familiar if any of your readers or listeners are familiar with Muhammad. And he woke up and he saw God the father and the son standing there. And then he was like, hmm, that's weird and talk to them and they told them all kinds of things. And then an angel pops up and he tells him about these golden plates that he has and they're in a hill in his backyard because he's got a bum leg. We can't be running off all over. And this is Moroni. This is the angel he spoke to. And it's on the top of most of all the temples, okay? And so this is the vision I told you about. This is literally from the church. This is what they put up on the walls everywhere. This is God the father and the son separate entities, by the way, for the church. They believe not in the Trinity. They believe in three separate beings. And they also believe in Adam God theory, which is God was once as Adam was and Adam can be come God. So, yeah, just so you know, also Joseph Smith saw 26 different apparitions, angels and or dead people, which aren't supposed to pop up right after they're dead. Well, that would be necromancy if we start talking to dead people. So yeah, long story short, he's talking to all kinds of people, but also his mother is first generation American born, but she was Scottish. And that is critical, if you know anything about Freemasonry and all the things that go with that Mormonism ties, it plays highly into things. So one story before we get to this little hat picture here is Joseph, when he was little, he got typhoid fever, and they like to play off that these people are dumb farmers and they live out in the middle of nowhere and he could barely write a letter. He can't even do these things that people say he did. This was definitely an angel because he's a dumb farmer. Okay, well, his brother went to Dartmouth, okay, his brother, let me tell you his name of his brother, just in case you were wondering about Freemasonry, his brother's name is Hiram. His brother's name is Hiram. Like Hiram a bit. Yeah, fun time. Very interesting. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's beyond coincidence in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. On top of it, we've got Joseph who at his birth was born in a call, which his dad ran around the whole town saying my son's going to be a seer because he was born in a call, which means in the amniotic sack, which it's rare even today. It's super rare. So this kid's kind of been labeled a seer since he was literally out of the womb, okay? And his mom has been known as a healer and when he got sick, they were going to cut his leg off because he got such a horrible infection in his leg that that was the only thing they really could do. It was in the bone. He had osteomyelitis, I'm assuming, but the one thing these dumb old dumb farmers could do is call doctors from Harvard to come. That sounds weird. Okay. And they made a house call. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, okay, they just came on down and she said, please don't cut off his leg because I'm a healer and I know some things, which she actually must have because I'll give her props. She had them cut out the infection and this had to happen again and again. And he had this gaping wound for some time. So he walked with the length the rest of his life. He obviously did heal, but if you're a kid and you're, you've got a bum leg, you can't go out and work in the field. So you're going to hang out with mom and mom's this gottish healer. And not only that, but also what are you going to bring home for your little brother that's got a bum leg if you're going to Dartmouth and he's bored. Remember they're not rich and back in the day books were like a big deal. So books, right? Like I am assuming he was very well read. And when people try to say he was a dumb farmer, it just gets under my skin because if you know anything about JFK, he was extremely sick when he was young and he became an avid reader and extremely brilliant because he was in bed all the time. So, you know, I'm assuming good old Joe had the same thing occur to him. So this is the only thing I can think of that really, you know, I'm going down the trajectory road of like what I've been told plus like common sense. So we get to this point in his life and this is something that we were not taught. This is why this is in here. This right here is a rendition of what I'm going to describe to you. And there's a treasure bag hanging on his neck. And that isn't a treasure bag to put treasure in. That is to hold his seer stone, which by the way, he had a dark and a light one. Anyway, whatever. That's interesting. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he had a magical hat. And what do you say when you pull magic out of a hat? Avra Kadabra, or Abra Hadabra, if you want to say it correctly. So kind of funny that they say these people don't believe in magic and we're talking to dead people. And then we've got, you know, secret stones and whatever. He stole it, by the way. He stole it from his neighbor. They were doing mental gymnastics to make themselves believe they were not doing magic because this is exactly what it sounds like. It's definitely magic. And I think what it was was you have to think of the time period is this is when shortly after his mother would have been born in America, would have been right before that. King James is killing all the people that were witches. So I highly likely think they may have learned their lesson and not done that anymore, like on the DL only, you know, on the D.F. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can't be, we can't be magicing out in front of everybody, but they, they were really known as treasure diggers and they were really known to use these seer stones to help people. And so it wasn't a big surprise to me about that, but the hat, right? Remember this picture I showed you? We'll go one back. This was not how I was told the Book of Mormon came about. I was told that this, I'll show you, was the way. Hold on. Oh, it's not there. Okay. That he basically translated it out of like the plates were sitting on his desk and he's just studiously writing, no hat, no rock, none of this crap. Okay. And all of a sudden the internet happened, fantastic, right? So good. Because for a while the church was like, this is real. I'm going to tell you a real slogan from the LDS church, doubt your doubts. Don't doubt your faith. Don't get on the internet and try and prove things incorrectly, right? Like you may be lost down a weird place and then you'll learn things you shouldn't know and come to church and want to leave. Okay. So basically they did that for a little while. They were like, everything is anti-Mormon propaganda. Don't read anti-Mormon propaganda. Don't read this. Don't read that. Yeah. It sounds very familiar. I'm not, you know, I'm obviously this. I'm not trying to make this as a complete comparison, but it's like North Korea. It's like anything outside of North Korea is propaganda. Okay. It's true. Yeah. So. I mean, we didn't know any of this hat business. You have to understand when this next picture happened as a 48 year old, even Exmo. We call us Exmo's Ex-Mormon. I about died when I saw this in the paper. Okay. This is the actual hat and this is the current profit seer and revelator of the LDS mainstream Mormon church. They ripped this sucker out of the vault and nobody has seen this and went, he's going to put it on. And we all went, is this real? Like South Park said, is this freaking real? Like what? We were shook because when South Park came out, we were like, that's a bunch of crap and lies. Who would ever believe this came from a magical rock? Get real. And now we're at revelation of the method and here it is and whatever. And I just was shocked. So the current generation knows a fully different story than what we learned growing up. When we grew up, there was no masonry. We didn't have mason. We weren't masons. What are you talking about? Don't talk about that. There was no hat. There was a rock, but it wasn't like critical. There were plates and he was studious and he was translating them, you know? And so it was a shock. And by the way, fun fact, this is Russell M. Nelson and he is the current prophet of the church. As I said, prophet seer and revelator is his title. He is also an allen key member of the school and bones charter of University of Utah, which is not exactly what you're looking at. Fantastic. I love it so much because again, remember what I said about having receipts and I've got to add it to this presentation, but it's from his own hand in his biography on page 43 of his biography that costs $1,200 now. Whoa, that's a really expensive book. Yeah, it didn't used to be that expensive, but now they don't want you to know that. And so Allen key is like scrolling key. It's just a branch off and school and bones charter at University of Utah was started by school and bones members from Yale University. And they came to Utah and started it like they used everything the same. So it is not some Rinky Dink baloney that this was started by chartered members. And so if you know anything about school and bones, I have a show coming out soon about that, but it's you probably don't want your prophet in school. No, no 100% and you know, I'm looking at so the one thing I noticed is especially in this photo, he's kind of putting off a little bit of that checkerboard symbolism with that tie and that white shirt that that's definitely the first thing I noticed. So yeah, he's definitely no, this is this is awesome. This is because I had no idea about all of this. It's better. So this is his dark rock and this is his brown seer stone, which by the way, this excerpt is from like the history museum thing church museum of history and art. So this is their proof, not mine, not Heidi's idea. It was his brown seer stone, which he used translating the book of Mormon. His wife Emma is believed to have made the leather pouch for its safety. So there's that. And right here, I said, and this is documented because amazing and so much fun is he got in trouble and he got sighted with a ticket and had to have a whole court thing for being a bad treasure digger because he sucked at it. And when that happened, affidavits happen. So fun fact, this isn't just hearsay. This was from an affidavit that Willard Chase, his neighbor said that he took this from him because he wanted it back and they were digging on his property. So technically his rock and he would not give it back. Oh, he stole the rock. He stole the rock and he had this one. This is his white one. This is his sandy colored seer stone. It's very light in color. It's like a veggie white, a dark one and a light one. I know that's that's that symbolism behind that is just blowing my mind. Like it's I wish I could see your your face. Why I tell you this because I can't but guess what guess what? The older Mormons call each other like fundamentalist Mormons that stay true to real Mormonism. Guess what? They call each other. Let me hear it. I want to hear this. Broyer. What? Yeah, make it up. I can't make it up. It's amazing. It's so much fun with the magical world. It's it's hysterical. If anybody knows anything, that's kind of a magical terminology for brother, by the way. It's like it's like a almost a it's an it's like a combination between proto into European and Latin almost. It's a very yeah, yeah, yeah. And they and they say the sister one too, but I can't quite pronounce that one as good, but it's similar like not Sawyer, but some what something like that. And so anyways, I seen that and I about fell off my chair when I was studying about the golden dog. And I thought it and I went, are you serious right now? Like, wow, that was definitely a full circle moment for you. At that point, you were like, Oh, I can't deny this anymore. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. And this is the picture I was looking for, how we learned that he really translated the book with, by the way, a Urum and Thumum like, you know, this is criticism. This is starting to get really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And so he had a breastplate of righteousness and they were given to him directly by an angel. Don't you worry. He took them back. You can't see him. And these magical spectacles. And they were the Urum and Thumum and look what they made and this is a picture of his rendition of what it looked like, right? Oh my God. He's got the compass and the square on there too. Like this is, this is, this is out in the open. It's juicy. This gets really good. And so remember, I'm just a normal mom, like, I don't really want to know about all this occult stuff, nor did I know it this time, I'm just learning about all this weird stuff. And then I'll show you the critical, critical thing that opened my mind. I hadn't yet known about the Golden Dawn thing either. So just so you know, this is his ticket for glass looking. This is real. He got a fee and it was like a fine. And you have to understand that this wasn't unheard of like water, witching and like looking for wells and all this weird stuff was kind of normal back then. So that means he sucked so bad that somebody literally said, I'm taking you to court. It's like jimmy walking, like, like we all know it's illegal, but like nobody's getting a ticket, right? Unless you really are up to no good. I mean, I just don't know. So they literally took him to court, which is so good because there's so many affidavits that lead into the crazy here in a while. So this little piece is also critical. And I know I'm jumping around. I promise I'll bring it all together, but there's no good way to put like all of this weird stuff in just a direct line because there's a lot of weird stuff. And I even had to like whittle it down to the smallest presentation or we'd be here all day. I totally understand. I keep going. This is profoundly fascinating. I'm learning so much at this point. I'm like in it. So this one, let's see, is was a real actual, they ran this six times in the paper. You can see pal Myra September 25th, 1824. And I want to tell you a little story about the angel. So remember, Joseph Smith saw the angel and the angel said he'd give him the plates, but it didn't happen that easy. Okay. So the angel was like, but and if you've read anything about John D's Angels, this is hysterical because they're always messing with people. It's never easy, right? They're like stabbing them with swords that come out of books. And they're like, Hey, Edward Kelly, go get a wife. Why are you married? What are you doing? Who told you to get married? Like they're just really crazy all the time. And so this makes sense, you know, if you know anything about that. So they basically are saying, you need to bring your brother with you to get these plates. Okay. I'll give him to you next year, you got to bring Alvin, because Alvin's the guy. He's the firstborn son, and I want you to bring him. All right. He says, I will. Okay. Cool. He's only been trying to get these plates for four years. By the way, once he got punched in the face by a toad, not a salamander. We will get into that in a bit. Okay. That'll be curious. Put that in your back pocket, because it's very interesting. And as you well know, totes are a very occultic little friend. So they use them. You might even think they're in Harry Potter and stuff like they're part of things that they use. Okay. Not a frog. A toad. So basically the brother dies. He's poisoned right after the angels are like you, you have to come with next year. So Joseph doesn't know what to do. And then all of these rumors start going around the town saying that they were messing with his, his grave. Okay. So the dad gets his great idea. This was ran by his dad and he ran it six times, and I'm going to summarize it. It's basically saying, hey, if you saw us digging up my son, we did, because we're checking on him, because you guys said we dug him up and we want to prove that we didn't dig him up. So we dug him up. Okay. All right, double, double negative super crazy. And they're basically saying because people were gossiping, blah, blah, blah, blah, yeah, and, and we're just doing this to show you. So this is pre gaming of a two year old. This is like, if you basically saw us messing with that grave, we had a reason to be there. So don't come at us. Okay. And so everybody makes a joke that's been involved with kind of the exploration of the Mormon church and members, school and bones. And everybody jokes and says the Alvin had a hand in Mormonism, probably, probably the right one. No proof. I caught that. I caught that. There you go. There you go. No proof. No proof. This is the magic circle that was spoke about in that letter. And also this is a rendition from Willard Chase, the neighbor. This is actually his words onto paper. And this was from an affidavit. Okay. Now in the church, they tell us, oh, Joseph, he got the angel and the angel told him. And then there was a light and it was beautiful and he gave him the books and their golden plays where, blah, and it's like this really angelic story. Okay. Well, there's a different story documented in court documents in an affidavit by the Willard Chase family stating, which is their closest neighbor, stating that Joseph had to borrow a black horse on the fall equinox in the middle of the night to go with his bride Emma to get the plates dressed all in black. Doesn't sound sketchy at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, so I was like completely normal, normal evening. Totally normal. And that he had to go to this angel like that all in black and with his new bride. And she waited in the cart. Okay. So remember that part. And then I remember this, this is literally the symbols that they said happened. And then, and then a goat's neck got slit. Their black is goat and they bled it all around the circle. And this freaked neighbor out. Yeah, not, not weird, not weird at all. Because when we get into this, it will all make sense, right? So the Smith magical relics are one of my most favorite things. The rocks are owned by the church, however, the parchments and the knife are owned by a private seller that won't sell. Ha. I wonder who that private seller is. That's an interesting question. Nobody's ever going to know because they would unalive him for sure him or her. This stuff is kept in bolts. They have big huge bolts just like the Vatican. There's a whole underground tunnel system. This is like real. I'm not making this up. You can look it up. It's underneath Salt Lake City. So anyways, this stuff came out and this is what led me to John D. Remember that little magical bag he had around his neck? Remember that picture? This is what's in it. And when people see this, you will have no doubts of where its origin is. Let me blow it up for you. You like it? Yeah. Yeah. This is wow, man, so this is really kind of like blowing a hole open on this. When you see the face of Mormonism and you see the face of the church and Latter-day Saints and things like that, they're innocent. Yeah, they most definitely do. I have to give credit where credit's due. They've been doing a fantastic job at not letting this come to mind. So good. Because you have to remember, I'm a normy lady and I did not know what any of this meant. Look at this circle. Wow, man. That's sigil. Yes. Yes. All of these sigil look insanely familiar. Yeah. 100%. And this right here is what led me to John D because this is a special angel. It's a calling down for a specific angel that's not very common. And when I put it in the reverse look up, it came up with one thing, John D, of all the internet, one guy it links to. And I'm like, well, who the hell's that? Like, what is this guy? He's an old dude. Like, what does he have to do with anything? Right? Oh, little did I know. This is called the holiness to the Lord parchment. This is the original copy. It's in horrible shape. It's all folded up and crinkled and like degrading and it's the only picture known. So it's like very messed up. But here is a better in color deciphering, basically, by somebody. Oh, we've got we've got our chemical symbols. We've got we've got Hebrew. We've got a lot of stuff that looks like it straight out of Solomon's seal as well. Oh, it is like it is. It's out of these books at the bottom. They're noted and the maggots by Francis Barrett, the discovery of witchcraft by Reginald Scott, occult sciences by Ebenezer Sibley, and Sloan MS 3824 labor officium spiritum. Well, my goodness, dude, this is like, I mean, this really like we were talking about, like, I mean, for anybody who knows these symbols, like, you know, and they're just, you know, kind of maybe getting into, you know, maybe researching Mormonism and just taking a look at it. They come across the symbols, like, especially me, I'd be like, whoa, now, what do we have going on? Well, what's happening here? And they would never know this because I'm telling you this, I've never known one Mormon or ex Mormon that I've showed this to that knew what knew these existed ever. So I don't know why some dumb mom in Utah, not that I'm not dumb, but I don't know why some lady in Utah that's just spent her life in the medical field can figure all this out and do a whole lot of research and go, wait a minute, what? You know, why why is nobody else talking about this, right? Like, this is serious. I mean, I don't care if, listen, this is my opinion on everything in the world. If you want to be a Satanist, if you want to be a Mason, if you want to be a Mormon, if you want to be a Catholic, if you want to be, I don't care what you want to be, but you can't lie to people because you piss off women and women get mad and then they come for you with a podcast. So what is it saying that I'll have no fury like a woman's form? It's truth. It's truth because if you go and pledge a Mason Hall, you go to the lodge and you know you're going to be a Mason, you know, you're probably going to be lied to a little bit, but at the end, you still know what you're going to be. You're going to be a Mason. I went to church and was told I had to learn a whole bunch of stuff to go to heaven and I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea about the Masonic rituals I will show you here soon. I had no idea about the occult origins and I just don't think that's fair. Okay. That's a generational curse upon my family and I don't appreciate it. So that's how they do it. That's how they do it. They get you to think you're doing something else and that you're doing this for a good reason or for a good purpose. But in reality, they're taking your free will and they're using it against you. And I think that they are channeling things and the people that be quite frank and we will get there. But I'm telling you, this is bullshit of the highest order because most Mormons do not know that this exists. I will say there is a small percentage of Reddit people and I'm talking so small of people that kind of know what's up, but it's not usually Mormons. They get lied to time and time again and they never get the full knowledge of what's happening. So I just don't think that's right. If the church came out tomorrow and said, you know what, this is what's up. This is how it is. I probably would back off. It's just wrong. It's wrong to trick people. I just think that I'm a very, I'm a very weird person about like justice and especially for the small person, right? I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like it. And so this piss me off and let alone the masonry. This is now past masonry. Everybody kind of knows that there's always whispers about masonry, but like also they always kind of poo-poo-dum before now they don't, but this is different. This isn't masonry. This is a cultism. So I don't know that that's fair if you don't know that you're becoming an alchemist slash a cultist. Like let's know. No, no, especially it's, it's one thing if you're willingly part of, if you decide to willingly participate on that path, but to have your, your free will used against you like that. I mean, it sucks because by technicality is not an infringement on the free will principle because they told you a lie with a little bit of truth and you accepted it. So that that's where where they get you and it's really messed up. Yes. And I felt like it's just, it's all over the temple too, and I'll show you, but these kind of things are protection sigils. This is a different one. This is the Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah parchment. The other one is the holiness to the Lord. And the third one is my favorite because it's straight up the bath in that's head I swear to you. Like, oh, I just, I just saw that. Yeah. That's a very, oh, okay. No. Oh, wow. Yes. Yes. Indeed. You have either a bull or a ram symbol there for sure, a hundred percent. And so these are all parchment belonging to now this is how the church gets out of this. Joseph Smith, senior and junior, but we're inherited by high rooms family because they died together in the same area. Okay. They died together. The brothers died together. So here's the thing. They split up all the belongings, but remember what I told you about high room. High room wasn't the treasure digger. High room didn't have anything to do with none of that. He was off at school, being studious, doing his studies. Okay. He, he really wasn't into the treasure digging, however, his dad and his brother were. There's documented evidence that I've showed you that he was, that he had a ticket for treasure digging, who likely owned the parchments, like, let's get real. That's silly. You know, like, they're blaming it on him. So never saw, oh, the brothers, but this was also in there. So not to be undone. I do want to know where the cup is, but whatever. Um, anyway, this copy is a photo of the actual sigil knife dagger with the seal of Mars and also at a nice Scorpio and intelligence of Mars on the other side. This is a ceremonial knife. This is not a, he's not cutting apples. Okay. That looks like a ceremonial dagger for sure. A hundred percent. Yes. It even says, including a dagger inscribed with a cult and religious symbols, especially with adenai on it. I'm sorry. Like, there's multiple things on there that are also like zodiac, like I said, the intelligence of Mars, whatever, but it's, it's saying definitely was owned by the Smith family. They tried to put it off on high room, but let's not forget for one minute who was the magical people in the family. It wasn't the dumb brother. It just wasn't. Not that he was dumb. Um, okay. If you don't mind me saying that dagger looks like a prequel to Crowley's dagger. Oh, it does. It almost looks like the exact same, like that is just, that's so bizarre. And speaking of that, well, as you well know, like you have to have certain other instruments for ceremonial magic. That's why I joke and say I want to know where his cup is, you know, because there's certain things that people have with this stuff. And I'll tell you, I've talked to XOTO members, um, shout out New York Patriot, who've told me other similarities when we get to the outfits that we were in the temple. So he definitely was messing around with things. There's no doubt for me. Absolutely none. More if he had the city and mirror stashed away somewhere too at this point, mirrors come into this. Remember, he didn't need a mirror because he, so not, Nostradamus used water and then blocked out all the light. He used his hat and put the seer stone in. So still a stone, but it wasn't obsidian. Yeah. So that is how he says he, he actually channeled the book of Mormon. And he says he put the stone in the hat and blocked out all the light. And he was the Edward Kelly himself and called out symbols, not words to his scribes. I'm going to show you them and you're going to die because I did. Um, it was fun. It was a fun time. Okay. And then I knew why I had to read John D because it made complete sense after that. This is also owned by Joseph Smith. He did not die with his magical underwear on, but he did die with his Jupiter talisman on. Yes. So this is actually verified. They can't say this was owned by someone else because his wife wanted it back. And she said, that's my husband's and he always wore it and I want it back. So she identified it as her husband's and retrieved the property. So this was worn by him always. It's obviously a magical item talismans are used to this particular symbols are used to have influence over others, become rich and powerful and find peace. The inscription on the talisman comes direct from the magus, which they said he never read. So that's fun. I was going to say he never, he never read it, but you know, he, he's something I knew. It's like, it's funny because I remember was at a temple was saying one time when Fauci was, uh, you know, in court saying he didn't do gain a function, but he did some kind of function of gain until Paul was like, I didn't stab him. He just fell on my knife like 10 times. I don't, I don't know what happened. That's basically what it, what this is the equivalent. And, and it's funny to me because they're like, oh no, he couldn't possibly have known that. And I'm like, well, then what the hell is this? It's not like they had a corner shop, but he could go buy this plus you can't buy a talisman, you have to have it either manufactured or made for you specifically for read. Like it's not a generic item. You would never have a generic towels. Then let's give real, you know, unless it's like maybe an up access ring. I don't know. You only use this stuff. If you know what it is, I mean, you don't just, especially with things like this, I mean, you don't just haphazardly just, you have to know what it is if you're going to use something like this. So that's why I think that's, that's pretty funny. So specific rights and they say that you could go into a room with Joseph and no matter how mad you were at him, when you left the room, you were no longer mad at him. And that's funny because that's kind of what this is for. You know, obviously didn't work at the end because they killed him. But I think there's a reason for that and I'll tell you and I don't think it's the one we were told. This little parchment on the bottom, okay. The top is the anochian alphabet, but the bottom is actually called the Anton papers. Okay. And you can look this up, everyone. Everything that I present is actually either from the church itself or verified documents. So this is a verified document that they tried to get this authorized by this guy last name Anton and they want, they thought these were Egyptian hieroglyphs that they were writing in. So they took it to this guy and they were like, hey, Mr. Linguist guy, can you verify this and put your stamp on it that this is a legit thing? And he said, sure, but where'd you get it? And they said, what do you mean? We wrote it. They said, yeah, but where'd you get the characters on it? And then they were like, whoa, from the hat. I noticed that right off the, I noticed that right off the rip that it was a no-kin. That's why I was like, hey, yeah, I was like, this is, this is crazy. Yes, it is definitely not what we were told for sure. I think it is a little bit of a variant in some ways. And maybe he put his little spin on it. But if you look at some of those, I mean, they're very similar. So especially look at the one, you know, here, let's see, this is almost- Yeah, I'm taking a look and comparing the two is really looking at it. It's almost as if he added almost his, his little bit of a spin on it, but it's very, very, very similar. So this is the characters. And like I said, he was very obsessed with Egyptian stuff. And he was really into, he thought this was like Egyptian hieroglyphics, which we absolutely know it's not, because it was the language for those that don't know, a no-kin alphabet was given to John D by the angels. So do I think they were angels? Yes. Do I think they were fallen angels? Yes. So, I mean, it is what it is, but regular angels don't ask you to sleep with somebody else's wife. That's where the cutoff was for me. So yeah, so this is going to be loud. So let me turn this down because it recorded it, it was super loud. This is a tiny little- Tomorrow you're looking at that doorway and I'm like, mmm. This is real. This is from the actual temple. And I know, because I've been there, and I did all these temple rights that we're going to get into right now. So this is a tiny little reenactment. This is not from the church. This is a reenactment, but I can tell you this is what they do because I did it. So here we go. What you are seeing is an authentic first time ever on- Can you hear it okay? Absolutely. Yeah, I'm just going to mute my mic. Yeah, yeah. The secret Mormon temple ceremonies is that even most Mormons have never seen, and those who have, have sworn ever to reveal these secrets under penalty of death. The execution of the penalty is represented by placing the right thumb under the left ear, drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear and dropping the hand to the side. All of us who have been through the temple have sworn solemn oaths, consenting to having our throat slit and our heart and our vitals thrown, torn out. The execution of the penalty is represented by drawing the thumb quickly across the body and dropping the hands to the side. In the Mormon temple marriage, the partners are sealed to each other for time and all eternity in mason-like rituals. And without this ceremony, no one can enter the presence of Joseph Smith and become a God. Hey, lay air. Brother Pratt, having authority, I wash your preparatory the receiving your anointing's foreign in behalf of John Imble who is dead that you may become clean from the blood and sins of this generation. Mr. Bradford, I wash your preparatory when you are receiving your anointing's foreign in behalf of a lysabaric. A lysabaric who is dead that you may become clean from the blood and sins of this generation. I wash your head that your brain and intellect may be unclear and active. Your eyes that you may see clearly and discern between truth and error. Thousands of our coffee ceremonies each day are performed for the dead so that they too can receive the benefits of Mormonism. Mormons are encouraged to have encounters with the dead and it's not uncommon for demons impersonating the dead to appear to Mormons stating that they've been converted to the Mormon church in the spirit world and now want their family history traced. Your loins that you may be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth that you may have joy in your posterity, your vitals and vowels, that they may be strong and healthy and perform their proper function, your breast that it may be the receptacle of pure and virtuous principles. Okay. That's fun. Whoa, dude. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. This is what's going on. I like, holy shit. It's like. Yes. Yes. They have changed a few things since I went through and since that movie, they got rid of the slicing your throat one and slicing your belly because I believe it was because of a famous murder that happened with blood atonement called the Lafferty Murders right around the time they got rid of it. Somebody went a little off the deep end and decided that they were going to start doing blood atonement because they read some of Joseph's Niss original writings called the School of Prophets and they actually did kill their brother's wife because she wouldn't obey him and slit her throat, including her little 18-month old babies. So. Oh my God, dude. I've been in 1980 and this was taken out of the temple ceremony within nine months later. So I think it was a PR move, what they do to cover the PR move because remember this is supposed to be directly from God. So we're not supposed to change it, which remember the fundamentalist Mormons do not change anything. They do the original everything. The mainstream Mormons, their profit craze a lot for things that are acceptable and good for this generation. And they go, Oh, yep. I had a premonition. We should let black people in and stuff like that. So that's what they do because it's looked down upon. And they've also changed a lot of that ceremony that I showed you. So I'm going to go over it. It comes up again here in a second. This is many of our first exposure to the temple as kids. We go and do something called the baptisms for the dead. We're a morally clean 12 to 16 year old kid and you can go get baptized by proxy for dead people. And this is why genealogy, remember when I told you, it's super important to the Mormons because they track everyone and they have baptized not only Hitler, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, all the fun people, but also the Jews that died for what they believed in, Oh, and continuing with Anne Frank. So eventually the Jewish people went, yeah, you can stop that now. And then they kind of had a little tough over it. And then they did it again. And so they don't really care. They will do names without your permission. They will do names that they get ahold of in general and they don't really care. Now that is an infringement on free will that is and at least in my eyes, something is going to come of that. I do think so. They get around this by saying, well, we just did it and you can choose to accept it or not in heaven. So so they say that's their answer because they always have after seeing this. And the oxen are usually golden on this particular temple, they're white, but usually not usually they're golden. And it's super reminded me after I got more knowledgeable of, okay, we're taking 12 to 15 year old kids that are morally pure, putting them into the belly of a beast and like putting dead people on them like, okay, that's doesn't sound like Molok at all. I don't know. But that's that's Molok hard cores with that is that's just yeah, you're blowing my mind with this because I absolutely had no clue. I am like learning so much right now, I am like, no, it's not normal. Like no one would do this. If you went and talk, they would know about the baptism for the dead, but they would just say, oh, we're just doing that so they can have that if they need it, but they make it sound really like, oh, it's totally fine. And then for kids, they really don't understand it because they're like, oh, yay, we're going to go to the temple and then we get ice cream with the boys. Okay, cool. And also fun fact, these are pubescent and pre pubescent kids. Not only myself, I felt very awkward because I was overly developed, but my husband said he was underly developed because he was short and waited to grow for a while. And he said, you know, I was just super uncomfortable because this, the little jumpsuits are white and you can't see out in the audience, you can't see who's out there. And you don't know if they're filming this like, I don't know, you know, that's a little weird. Yeah, that's definitely weird. And your parents have to sign a permission slip. So they're getting around that all kinds of ways. So that's the beginning of the temple. That's the beginning is the kids go and do these baptisms, but that other ceremony I just showed you is called the endowment session this. These aprons are dark green. This just is a weird coloring on it. They're not black. And if you'll notice the one breasted row, we were, yeah, we were closed underneath of them, but yeah, we were that's like the OTO. We also wear these garments after you go through the temple for the very first time, you get a new name, you get the ritual that where they were touching underneath their little poncho your naked, but I guess they changed that because people didn't like that. So now they wear a jumpsuit, which I like I've said, remember the true fundamentalist Mormons, the practice that the real way don't change anything. But the mainstream Mormons do, including the underwear. This is an example of the original underwear, which the fundamentalists still wear. This is like the more updated one piece version with the butt flap. And then this is the new and improved. It looks like a t-shirt and and long pants, including for women. There is a compass in the square, and then you have a Masonic ruler sideways over the umbilicus. And on the knee, right knee, every knee shall bow. You have to put these on right arm first, right leg first. You can't put them on the floor. There's all kinds of rules. And you can only buy them through the church if you're worthy with your temple card and it's a whole process. My thing is, is the channeling thing. And once I show you more about the temple, always wondered, these are over orifices. And we really don't know if anything is so to the internal growing area. It always made me wonder after I started learning what I'm learning now, I find it interesting that they're over openings in the body, like the umbilicus and nipples are both openings. And it's the square and the compass. I mean, I think that is as plain as day, you know, there's no denying it when you're seeing it in this kind of light. And I think that's there. It is. Right. They're real. That's like real. That's somebody's real garments. I know because I wear them forever and they suck. They're super hot. It's really uncomfortable. They do have two other versions for males that are black for police officers and green for army people because they don't really want them questioned. They don't want it to be sticking out, you know. And you can take them off to go swimming to take a shower, to make more, more men's to like very minimal things. That's the main ones that I can think of right now, but they must immediately go back on afterward immediately. And you wear your bra over the top, they must be touching your skin at all times. And you must never take them off. Like you wear lots of new pairs, they're like your underwear, but like you wouldn't just take them off for fun to wear a cute outfit. Right? None of that. They're quite long for the women. That's like, I mean, too, especially if you're looking at it, I mean, because I'm looking at the one in the bottom right hand corner and how, you know, visibly see through even just from what we're looking at right there it is. And you have these young children walking around the chart, man, that's just. No, no, no. No, the kids don't wear these. They wear. Oh, they don't. Okay. Okay. Good. No, no, no, no. These are underwear. These are, these are magical underwear, basically people make fun of these and say their magic underwear. But kids wear like a baptism suit, like a zipper baptism, but they are sort of still see through their white, you know. And so you get those, you learn, these are the masonic handshakes. And I put this because, well, they're also our handshakes, but we only get three of the five. And for example, the real grip of a master Mason or the lion's paw, Joseph changed it and called it the true sign of the nail like Jesus. So he just changed it. Joseph made the temple right ceremony six weeks after he went through and got his masonic ceremony. So there's no doubt to me that he completely ripped this off from them. If you ask any Mormons about masonry and multiple presidents of the church have said that Mormons have the true form of masonry and that the masons are misled. So they do not deny that they use it. Want to see something fun? This is the old church president before he died and the president of the United States. George W. George Jr. right there, baby George, they are doing the sign that I just spoke about true sign of the nail or the lion's paw. If you, that's not an accident. You don't just slip down somebody's cuff link, like, come on, that's real. So for George, it would have been fine. But for the president Thomas S. Monson, that would not be okay to do in public because that is never to be done outside of a temple. So the fact that he did that is very interesting because you're not supposed to. Here is the current president of the church. Very interesting. He's trying to hold the key. I see a little something different. I see one of those symbols, handshakes that I just showed you. I know that because I've done it. And you're never supposed to do this. I'm not really sure why he chose to do that and flash it. I found it very interesting. So this, again, is our outfits. Let me zoom in. This is the current outfits. The women no longer have to bail their faces. They used to have to bail their, oh, we went really far, touch screen is a pain that way. So the women used to have to bail their faces to shield themselves from the priesthood because they don't have the priesthood. That has been done away with because, remember how I told you, if it's kind of not progressive, they pray about it and God tells them things. So God's like, yeah, it's totally fine. Don't let the women do that anymore. So you get a new name and that new name after you go through this whole thing of creation story and when you learn about the golden dawn, you go, oh, that's weird. But anyway, whatever, you go through this temple ceremony and you've got your new name, your new underwear, your little outfit on, all the things and you get to the fake bail through the curtain and you do the handshakes to get past the angels and sentinels because you can't go to heaven if you don't know these. And after you're all done for yourself, your husband goes through and he gives his new name to fake God. God calls him from the veil and then he says, say his new name is Michael and he says, Michael will come through the veil, but you can't hear it because you're not allowed to know. You're just a dumb lady. You can't hear that. And so then the lady comes through and gives her name to her husband and mine was Abigail, which are never supposed to utter, but they can have a big F you from me. And I'm just irritated about it. Also I felt like this was so special because this is something you dream about your entire life going to the temple. And this is your marriage, usually for women, for men, it's usually when they go on a mission, but this is usually done right as you're going to get married. And I was like, Oh my gosh, that's my super special name. But what if I forget it? Because oh my gosh, what if I forget and my grandma goes, don't worry, you can just call the temple. I'm like, they know my super special name. And she's like, well, they give everybody the same name like on the third Tuesday of the month. It's like Mary. And I was like, that sucks. Okay. Really? They're just, they ran out of ideas, I guess. I guess they're just trying to keep the train too many people forgetting to do people forget. So here we are. Remember, the husbands never reveal their name on this earthly planet to anyone else ever, ever again. One thing I want to point out is real quick, if you don't mind now, so that green, that green cloth, it almost looks like that Masonic cloth that a lot of the, the master masons and the higher up masons will dawn in ceremony. It's not exactly, but it's just the way it's warm. It looks. It's a fig leaf. And yes, it is very similar to the Masonic apron, which we will go backward here. Two, I got to put this in order because there was here it is. The green apron worn by the temple patrons is green, which is symbolic of life. The fig leaves on the green apron are fruit known for the countless multitudes of seeds. The green apron full of fruitful seeds is worn after Adam and Eve are cast out. And the funny thing is, is when you get the apron, you have it, it's folded up in your lap. You're not wearing it when you go in and the Satan comes down and talks to Adam and Adam Sadney's crying out to the God of this world. And who answers? Not God. Satan does because we do know that Satan is God of the world, the fallen world. And he shows up and he's like, Hey, by the way, you're kind of naked. So maybe you want to put this on basically, I mean, he says other nice things, but. And then the officiant says, everyone, please stand and put on your aprons. And I always thought it was weird that we were doing what Lucifer is that to do. I was like, why are we doing that? It seems so strange, a little strange, yeah. And then Satan's apron currently in temple ceremonies, Satan wears a dark apron, which is a symbol of his powers and priesthoods. But before the 1960s, Satan's apron in the temple were at one with many symbols on it, including the all seeing eye, the beehive, school, cross bones, compasses, suns, moon stars, et cetera. And my great grandma verified this. So just so you know, that is, I mean, I think it's uncanny at this point. I mean, just even even after what we're looking at here and where we're going through everything that you're showing, it's absolutely uncanny. I mean, it's pretty much at this point, there's no denying what's happening here. So I mean, it's kind of funny to me that they still do plausible deniability. And this is my last little piece. And this is just like a little, little picture of the base of the LDS temple, which by the way, LDS people are not supposed to do astrological things or astrological science. They're not supposed to have anything to do with astrology, ghosts, any of that stuff. And yet that's how everything was kind of put together, I guess. And also this is actually at the base of the temple with all the moon phases, sun phases and all the things. And this currently, I believe is being scrubbed from existence. This is the Salt Lake City temple. It has sun stones, moon stones, cloud stones, pentagrams, all seeing eyes, such and such on and on. So I believe they are restoring the temple right now. And I have heard many people say, and I don't have proof that they're scrubbing these symbols from the building. I mean, I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, you know, they've altered quite a few things and it's not out of the realm of possibility for them to alter something like this as well. I, you know, even though we don't have proof and it's hearsay, you know, using using the psychology that we've talked about before, I think it's very plausible that it's varied. I think they will. And then if you look at these windows are funny, like phallic, yeah, yeah, Alice woman. Yeah. Yeah. And then we get to the spires, the spires, which I mentioned about stealing loose and harnessing energy, blah, blah, blah, but that is, we don't want to go into racism because we'll be here all day and if you have any questions before I shut the entire thing on any of these or we can just talk in general. But one thing I'm going to say, I don't really, I think you did a, an amazing job explaining all of this. And I got to tell you what, Heidi, your, um, your, your presentation absolutely blew me the fuck away. Like, you know, like Mormonism, you know, like, cause I've gone, I've gone through, um, you know, I've, I've looked at and I've looked over pretty much every religion and philosophy. And the one that I can be a hundred percent honest that I didn't really give too much of a look over because I had some experiences in my childhood that gave me a little bit of a bad taste out there, you know, um, I was just a man just to see this, um, these, these inner face comparisons, these, these uncanny, magical, alchemical, uh, symbols, the, the, the apron, the Masonic apron from even the ritual video that you, that was a ritual. That was, and I forgot to tell you one part and I've got to put it in there is when you get married in the temple, you get married in the garb. You don't get married in your beautiful wedding dress. You don't get married in what you dream of and you kneel over an altar while you're looking into forever mirrors. Do you know what I'm talking about forever? Mares where they're facing them and you can see on for eternity and then they have you look in the mirror as you're saying these bows and then it always makes me wonder now if we were channeling things onto us because that is a very witchcraft move and mirrors are very important in the occult. And for you to look into the mirrors where they're doubling, doubling, tripling, whatever, and you say for time and all eternity, you'll be with this person, but that's not biblical. That's unbiblical. And so I don't know why they would do that. Yeah. That's that's so when I saw the layout where you were showing, you know, the, the cardinal direction. Your book. Yes. And, and dude, that's, that's very to me, it is, it's very pagan. It's very, very, it's, it's not, it's not what you would expect. Backed from a, a Judeo Christian sect, you know, it's not something that you would see within that. And I got to tell you this, that I think this needs to be brought to light because you brought up quite a few things that, um, you know, that I don't really like to see happen. You have, um, children being in revealing clothing in front of an audience and you don't know that they're recording it. That's number one. Um, that definitely. I didn't like that. And that the parents have to literally sign for you to go do that. Yes. She do. That's, that's disgusting. I mean, like, you know, you can't, and, and you know, number two that them using your free will against you, um, practically, and any, I don't know if you know what that's called. So actually the way there's two forms of this, it's karmic retribution, which is actually like the, I guess you could say the rougher version of what's going on. And then you have a revelation of the method. And what they're doing is revelation of the method. It's like you said before, they're, they're telling you a lie with a little bit of truth in it. And if you believe that, then you have given through your free will, the acceptance of participating in these ceremonies and participating in this. And I, and I think that's absolutely wrong because, you know, I, yeah, yeah, when you get to the end of it all, I forgot to mention this to people would say, well, why would they? What's the point? Right? Why would they do all this? Okay. Well, remember that I mentioned a Braxist. If you know about a Braxist, a Braxist is a necromancer. And why do people practice neck? Why would you even do that? Why would you even practice necromancy? Why would you do anything, right? You're going to offer something to someone for what? Always they say it's for knowledge of the future, power and money. Well, there's spires at the top and we're doing these occultic ceremonies. And what did I call the prophet? What is his official title? Not from Heidi from the church, prophet, seer and revelator. They are absorbing that energy and there's multiple other things. And I don't know how much time because there's other, there's another facet. There's a second blessing that very few people know about. And I'm going to do a whole like slideshow on it, but I can sum it up. And it is the fact that the highest blessing that you can receive in church is, you know, you grow up and at 12 years old men get the priesthood. So at 12 years old, a boy, a little boy has more authority than I do, okay? To give a blessing, to do things, whatever by God. And so I always grew up knowing that. So when I was in the temple and I was naked under the poncho, I'd give you and nine months pregnant because I'd already been married. My husband was a Catholic. So we had a weight. And so I was like, wait, why are you in here? You're a lady. Like what the hell is going on here? Like go get the guy like clearly you can't do this. And she's like, clearly you are naked like you can't have a guy in here. And I'm like, well, I'm just saying you can't do the blessing. And she just looks at me and she says, it's different in the temple. And I never understood it. And I was pretty pissed off. I was like, no, this isn't going to work. Like this lady can't do it. I don't know what's happening. Like I was so confused anyway, you really want to leave. You've got this horrible anxiety for me driven feeling like this isn't where God is. Like I just knew, I just knew I wasn't in the place I needed to be, but also my whole entire family was there and you're not going to leave. And so, okay, so I went through that whole situation, never understanding that ever until I got to this one podcast because I mean, I researched this to death. This is like a baby little scoop of what like my research is. And so, and I'll probably write a book. I mean, it's. I think you should. I think you should based based on everything that I'm seeing right now, I'm going to cosign on that. And so I'm going to, I'm going to do it. So then later on, I'm listening to this podcast of this guy that got something called the second anointing and I'm like, what the hell is that? He was one of the top. So you've got the profit. It's like a Godhead and the first and second counselor. And then you've got the quorum of the 12 and then the quorum of the 70. And these are all men. This is very patriarchal thing. And then so to be considered for this extra special blessing, it's called making your place sure. It's basically saying you have been judged already on earth to be pure. And once your position is made sure and you receive the second anointing, you don't get judged by Jesus anymore. Okay, you're, you could go kill someone tomorrow, but they're, they're excused for that would be, well, they would never do that because they're so great and their position has been made sure, but like also, I mean, they could. And so their place is made sure by one of the quorum of the 12 saying this guy or girl, this couple deserve to get this extra special blessing. Okay, so they go through and what happens is one of those 12 apostles comes and washes your feet in the temple and lays this new blessing upon you that's very rare. It's very rarely given out by the way to certain tithing pairs. So brackets, yeah, and so when they get that, you go in the temple and then your wife receives it as well. But the final piece of the second anointing doesn't happen in the temple and it doesn't happen by a man. This is sacred feminine energy as well at the top because when they go home, that blessing is finished and sealed in the, in the marital bedroom by the woman. And she is declared a priestess. I'm sorry people. That's not Christian. I don't know what that is. That's um, that almost sounds like it's definitely a sex ritual is 100% what it is, it is a sex ritual. Well, isn't it funny that Crowley comes up multiple times because what happened with Crowley, like this, this channeling business, like I mentioned Muhammad already, he would have a fit of darkness. They were a non written society. So he had two people follow them all around to memorize everything he said and he would wake up and say, this is what the angels told me and they'd write, write it in their head and then later they wrote it down when he died because they were afraid that, you know, they would forget. But like ultimately he made a book and it became a religion, but what happened? He married a six year old. There was pedophilia involved there, he consecrated that marriage at nine and polygamy. Mormons, Joseph Smith gets banged for like the polygamy thing, but they never remember that he was actually sleeping with other people's wives that were already married. Like this was also polyamory. So he was sending people off on missions and sleeping with their wives. And so remember he would, he woke up. He saw God the father and the son. He had a channeled book. He wrote it all down. It became a religion. What happened with Crowley? Crowley met A was, he didn't have to see an angel because he just didn't care. He saw an alien, alien and it told him to write a book and it was channeled and he wrote it down and it became the book of the law, which became the Lima and a lot of other things. We can go Scientology. What about the Babylon workings out in the desert? Like Parsons and it's all the same damn story, but every single time, even with John D, it's always some kink, right? It's never just like, oh yeah, here's the information because it's for the good of humans. It's like sleep with her wife, switch, switch wives and do bad stuff in the desert. Do other things like all this stuff. It's always sexual. It always ends up sexual every single time. So that's not what angels from God do. That's just not, it's, it's, it's not. Yeah. That's, that's so, man, I just, my mind is blown. I'm sorry. I'm just like, I'm like, holy shit, like this is like, I was like, holy shit, man. Holy shit. Well, Miss Heidi, look, I don't want, we're, we're going to have to do around you, but I'm definitely going to have to start winding down on this for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to tell you what I am, I am profoundly impressed and not only am I impressed, I am just like, I'm blown away. I'm blown away. This makes me, I mean, I don't regret. Not taking a deeper look at Mormonism at the time because at that time, my perspective wasn't what it is now. And I feel like now hearing it from you and having my background on this stuff that I do after almost two decades of looking through this stuff, I, I feel like I can appreciate it more and I can understand it more. Like, you know what I mean? And because just basically I'm seeing all of these symbols, all a seal of Solomon, I'm seeing sigils, I'm like, I know exactly what all of this stuff is like, look up the sale, the sale of Solomon is their patriarchal Melchizedic. Look at the Melchizedic priesthood sign. You'll die. It's the, it's the star of Rampam. I'm telling you it, there's so much that I can't even, like I had to cut it off at some point because I was like, I'm going to talk about this forever, like, and it just goes on and on. Yeah. Well, that is, that is man. So, so I'm going to say this. Let's, let's roll it up real quick. I want you to stick around just for a minute after we sign off. Heidi, I have the two links. I have your YouTube link and your Apple podcast link in the bottom of both the rumble and the YouTube description. Yeah, I always, I always do my guess right. Anytime you got it, got a link, I make sure it's there for sure. And, but if there's any other place that they can find you and look up your research and look up your stuff, why don't you inform them. Perfect. I'm on Spotify as well. I think it's nice there because you can see the video and so, and YouTube's good, but I, I can't put everything on YouTube that I want to because it fits YouTube. And so they censor the crap out of me there. So I would say Spotify is a little bit better for some of the stuff that I can't put out, like especially Ballard. So definitely go there and check that out. Patreon, I do two extra episodes a month at minimum and I do specifically one with another ex Mormon who is an atheist and completely a liberal and it's super fun. So we're just going to have to see that. Yes. I'm going to have to see that. Everything. Yeah. And actually we do Mormons, mayhem and murder. And so basically you'd be shocked to know, well, maybe not, but like Nazis are involved. Ted Bundy was a Mormon fun fact. There's all these weird murders, like blood atonement. We get into all kinds of crazy stuff. And so, yeah. That is so nice. Well, guys, I think, you know, to my listeners, I want to give a shout out to Don and the lion. You guys are always here. Thanks for being here, guys. You are the best. Yeah. You, you, I always love to see their faces here. It's amazing. And I think we can sum it up as this, man. Like, you know, there's not a whole lot of differences between masonry and Mormonism. And there's, there's not a whole lot of different things. You left handshakes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think ultimately, yeah, ultimately, I think there's a joke saying that Joseph Smith made masonry for the whole family because he let women in and he let women do these rights. And I'm sorry to say it. I think that's what got him killed. Also fun fact, William Morgan and the William Morgan affair, Joseph Smith married his widow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Guys, we're definitely going to have around to with Heidi in the future. So I will be back next week, same time. Actually speaking of Don Don and Spinja are my guests next week. So they have the after dark dark podcast on FKN and Spinja has her own show she's coming up with and we're going to be having them on to talk about their journeys and what's been going on and how they embarked on their awakening spiritual evolution as well. So everybody, I want to thank you again for joining me for another BGcast Wednesday live podcast. I will catch you guys next week and definitely check out Heidi's work and I'm blown away and I'm sure some of you are. You guys take care. Have a good night. Bye. Bye-bye.