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Why do you satellite from lovely Los Angeles, Chris Martin? How are you? I'm good man. Thanks for having me. You're quite welcome. People may have noticed that you have an English accent, even though I said you're from LA, but you are a transplant. I am a transplant. You have been here for seven years. Haven't lost the accent, which is important. Yeah. My wife is English and also I think she's almost on year. No, over year 20 and still has the accent, so. Yeah, I think there's a point. If you get it too young, you'll lose it. I actually spoke to a bloke on the phone today. Been here for 24 years, still sounded like very British. So you know, that's a one weapon we have out here. You guys have actual weapons. We just have our voices. Barbed tongue. Being from Boston, when I lived in London, my Boston accent got very bad, which was really interesting. Interesting. Did you? Is that what you met your wife? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I used to work at the Cartoon Network. I went to Goldsmiths in London. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was very weird. Like the Boston accent is just enough, like, vaguely cock-nish pieces of it that it meant, like, my ear was, like, onto factory settings, or I was like, what are you doing? I was very weird. I love the Boston accent. It's one of my favourite ones to mimic badly. Yes. Although there is, they're kind of, it's such a horrific accident. There's almost no way to mimic it badly. I've heard people who are from here who sound like they're doing a bad Boston accent, but that's just how they speak. That's just their voice. Okay. Yeah. That's, you know, those parts of the UK where we have that. I can't, you know, some people will get offended if I do. Northern accents. Scouse. Yeah. I'm from the south. Yeah. So I get, hold on and ask by all of those people. Yeah. It's very, very difficult. So did you start doing comedy in England, or did you start once you moved to LA? Yeah. Definitely England. Yeah. I did stand up for, like, 10 years in the UK. Then we moved to, moved to when I was, like, 30, my wife, and she, yes, we both were like, yeah, I've always wanted to come over here. Not many Brits do it, but I, because you kind of in the UK, you can always make a relatively okay living from just doing stand up. Yeah. And I wanted to do other stuff in LA people, people like to bag on LA, but there's loads of opportunities here that you just don't get in the UK. And it's nice. That's funny. Yeah. The main opportunity is being able to walk outside and not get covered in rain. Yeah. It's nice, good food. Everyone's in a good mood. The joke I always make when I first went out to LA being like a gruff Northeasterner was, I was like, these people have no defenses. We could just conquer them, because everyone's just like, hey, man, I'm like, oh, that's so true. And it's just very easy to access. Everyone's just kind of got their little front yard. Yeah, that's true. And everyone, you just need a dog. We need a dog and you can get into anyone's home. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, come on in. So interestingly, you picked an issue here for 95 and I, whenever I have UK guests on, it's always surprising to me how they react to the TV guide because, you know, the number of channels, they're generally overwhelmed. So I don't know if you had seen a US TV guide prior to this. But you're, did you also have that sense of overwhelmed this? I was quite overwhelmed. My, like, just like, you know, for this, for this, you have to choose, you know, a thing, a thing a night. And I was like, it was like reading, it was like reading the Bible to get, to get to, to get to like a Wednesday. I was like, this is so much cycling through stuff. But I was very drawn to this one because it had Dean Kane on the front. Yes. Dean Kane, a man who personally told me he doesn't believe CTE exists because he played college football. Wow. Did he wind it? When did you get to interview Dean Kane? At a convention a few years ago, I, from doing the show, doing stand up, I would get hired to do Q and A's and moderate stuff at cons a lot. Yeah. I've heard, I've heard mixed things about him at his views, but I was going into nostalgic O would have been nine when this came out in July, July 9th, just a nine and that in the UK, you know, we had less channels, but every, I want to say Saturday night, like prime time, new adventures, Superman was on and that was how many, how many seasons did it run for? I've no idea. They were on like seven seasons. It got, it was, this is kind of the forgotten Superman show. So as, as, as a uncool as Dean Kane is now and he does have some pretty horrific views. In the 90s, the lowest in Clark, New Venture, Superman was massive and it's kind of been lost in time with like all the newly renewed love of superhero stuff. Like nobody goes back and revisits this. Nobody ever talks about this show, but it was actually pretty decent. And if you're a comic fan, they actually surprisingly did a lot of comics specific stuff, like Mr. Mittle Picklick's in an episode. Bruce Campbell's on the show, like it's, it's not a bad show. It was, no, it was very, I don't think it was like nine. So it's just like, it just felt so like shite compared to what you get in the UK, like budget wise or this. Oh yeah. I remember him putting his hand to stop a bus in the, in the pilot and just even the just I, like he, like his dad in the show, he's one of those guys I'll see in like any, he does a lot of that. He's a, obviously quite, I don't even know his name, but he's a quite established actor. So every time he's like, Oh, that's the dad from Superman. That's, that's what he's known, whatever he's done since. And in Dean Kane, the only other thing I've seen him in was I think a 90s movie with Brian Brown called Dog Boys, where he was a prisoner. And Brian, is it no, is Brian Brown in lockup with so that's like, no, that's a different, that's, that's Donald South. Yes, that's Donald South. Yeah. Brian and Dog Boys, he's trained dogs to rapidly attack prisoners and Dean Kane, I'm pretty sure. And some people try to outrun the dogs or they used to test the dogs. And it's like, you know, in the UK, we had five, we had used a four and then the fifth one came out channel five, which was like, I don't know what the US equivalent was, but it was like the crap. Yeah, it's kind of like Fox was here when it started, but also like exploitative, like channel five would be like, the world's horniest builders. Yeah. I mean, don't mock it too much because I have been a talking head on many shows like that. It's a good, it's a good, good, you know, you just go, that was weird, that thing that happened. And then, yeah. So yeah, but Dog Boys, I'm pretty sure was on channel five at the time. Also channel for very good for soft pornography when you're younger, you used to have a like confessions of a window cleaner and stuff. So not even modern stuff. You're watching 70s software. Honestly, that's what they used to have on there was like, I don't even think it counts as porn. It counts as daytime television. So no, yeah, I was very excited to see Dean Kane and I just was drawn to it. I was like, that was, it just was a real nostalgic, endorphin rush when I saw his face on it. Yeah, I can't, I can't blame you. It's again, a good show that probably should be revisited. And I think the shadow of Dean Kane has ruined it in a lot of people's eyes. After the show, he, he started hosting Ripley's Believe It Or Not. And then he is the king of made-for-TV Christmas movies. So he is in a billion movies about like talking dogs and Christian soldiers and all kinds of things. Mario Lopez does that as well. Yes, he does. He's a funny, they're both sort of men that aged quite, they look very good in that I'm guessing. Mario Lopez's early fifties. In short, Dean Kane, it's like, if you've still got good, you know, good skin elasticity in the fifties, you're going to be in those movies. But yeah, I like Mario Lopez as well, because he just say by the bell again, right up my street in the style. Yep, no one can sit in a chair backwards better than Mario Lopez. No, no, not at all. And no one can be that shredded when they're 15. No, no, or 15, he was still, it's very strange. It's just like a full-on. He looked the same for 35 years. All the cigarette ads in here, I don't know if that was surprising to you. I'm trying to think, I'm growing up in the UK, I mean, yeah, on the, on the first, you know, I guess it's the front on the back cover, right? So yeah, I was, I was immediately drawn to the Benson hedges straight away. I mean, my mum used to, till I was 18, she used to smoke a lot of silk cut cigarettes. And actually in the 90s, I think it was same in the UK, you used to have snooker events were heavily sponsored by this most British sentence in the world. Snooker events, if anyone doesn't know what snooker is, it is like pull, but way more boring. Yeah. Um, although it does have, I would argue, the greatest sportsman of all time still playing it, Ronnie O'Sullivan, the most naturally gifted sportsman, looking up that they used to have a lot of money. The prize pool in the 90s was huge because it was sponsored by cigarettes and then they stopped letting cigarettes be the sponsors. So then the money went down. So you know, it's good for our lungs and stuff. Would guys smoke while they were playing? Yeah, they used to, yeah, hurricane Higgins, very famous, sort of like maverick player who was amazing, but used to drink pints and smoke cigarettes and he died quite young. Because I remember when I first moved to the UK in the early 2000s, I was, I had a rude awakening that on Sundays, like the only thing on was snooker for like months, it seemed. I was like, it's so much, just all day. Yeah, if you don't have, if you didn't have Sky Television, cable television in the UK, you were pretty much, yeah, it was Sunday TV viewing was pretty bad on terrestrial television. And everything was closed as well. So it was like, it's not even like I can go somewhere and not watch TV. Is that why you moved back to the US just to watch better TV? Yeah, it was mostly for the Sunday TV stuff. That was the main factor. They asked me that in immigration. But before we get to listings here, the 90s had a sort of short, lived little feature in TV guide that I always find interesting and it's what I watch and they ask like various celebrities what they watch. And I'm always shocked. Like, it's almost never, or I'm like, yeah, that sounds about right. And this one is Jack Lemon, which is a pretty big star to have Oscar winning actor Jack Lemon. And he says he just watches A&E Discovery Channel. Really? I mean, that's hilarious. He's really undermined the point of him being in this, their whole, their whole sort of brand is based on the amount of different things you watch on TV and he just watches one there. And I love he said they ask who controls the remote, you or your wife. And this is a really fascinating answer I've never seen before. He says, we both have a remote. What? Sometimes we click at the same time and all hell breaks loose. His and hers remote. Yes. I didn't even know you could do that. I guess you can do that. Of course, you can program another remote for your TV. And this, that's, that's a real rich guy. Yeah. The idea of buying a second remote feels like something only a billion. And having like shootouts like Trump, like who gets to pick the show. Why does he even need a remote? He's just like discover, just put it on the same network. He only needs one channel. He just needs his own television with one network on it. He's doing it for the sport. That has to be the only reason why you do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's because he hates his wife. And weirdly this article about Dean Kane, given that he's super Christian. The photo they use in the first thing is literally him walking on water. He's in like a. Oh, yeah. It's a little weird. Maybe that's when he decided to go see, but he's like, I didn't even, the fact he thinks he's Jesus. Yeah. He's like, why not? Yeah. But he's a, you got to say that he's a, they're both very handsome. Oh, yeah. And even what has she been? Terry Hatcher was in desperate. Oh, no. She was in desperate. That's why I was just a Terry Hatcher. Yeah. He's a love Terry Hatcher. I think she used to, she, she, it came, this came about, I was nine. So a couple years later, I started to be attracted to women, I would be, no, I was attracted to women. I was at a time when in the UK, I'd have had it here, FHM Top 100 Sexies Women was a big thing. Oh, yeah. Terry Hatcher, I believe won one of those years or was at least in the top three. Yeah. I mean, Jordan, that probably beat her. That was. Jillian Anderson won one year actually, and then Jordan, I don't know if Jordan ever won it. It was a real, it was a bit more wholesome back when I, I was a FHM. When I was a boy, for him magazine. Yeah, exactly. And then it became just gratuitous shark injuries and sort of naked ladies. But yeah, no, Terry Hatcher. So yeah, she was a real, she would have been at the, me just sort of discovering that I find adult ladies sexy. Well, that's a good thing. She's a good one to discover that with prior to being cast in this, she had been in some weird bean movies and she's in a movie starring with Andrew Dice Clay. Wow. And it's called Brain Smasher, a love story. Yes. It is so brain smasher. Weird comedy that she did like the year before Lois and Clark. And when that came out and she got big, they really like re-released this movie to cable. So they're like starring Lois and Clark, Terry Hatcher. So can I just check something? Because here's where I got a little bit confused and it was called Lois and Clark in America. Because in the UK, it was called the New Adventure Superman. So when I was looking through the guide, one day I saw Lois and Clark and I was like, what's Lois and Clark? I don't know. I thought, is it the same thing? And I thought, so I actually stupidly didn't choose it, but I would have chosen it. Yes. The New Adventure of the Superin was the subtitle. So it was Lois and Clark, the New Adventure of Superman. Maybe I misremembered it. Well, it may, it very well may have just been called that in the UK because it makes more sense. Okay. I don't think it was as well known. And we also had a bunch of Superman shows. There was also a Super Boy show that was on at the same time as Lois and Clark. Oh, you can never have too much Super, dude. So I think they were like, boy, let's try and make this apart from Super Boy was terrible. Real bad. I mean, it sounds bad. It was Universal Studios Florida had to have something shooting at all times. So if people go to the park, they see like, here, we're shooting a real movie, a real TV show. So they just kept renewing Super Boy, so they had something for people to see when they're on tourist. And it's awful. It's awful. Okay. Now, okay. Okay. Right. Okay. So, so I'm now actually great. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. I know what I'm going to. We've solved this. Saturday, Nathan, let's jump in. What did you do? I watched Beverly Hills Cop 2, mate. It's a good movie. Beverly Hills Cop 2. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. I was in the UK, but that's when you used to record movies onto a VCR, which I don't know. I'm guessing the demographic of this is older than me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. Am I the, yeah. We're the youngest people. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. So I had recorded Beverly. I used to love recording stuff and record Beverly Hills Cop 2, which I saw a few years before Beverly Hills got one. I used to love, I've watched, I've probably watched it 30 times. I love a Bridget Nielsen. What a great body in it. Just, I always remember that. And it's a great cold open. It's this break into a jewelry store, and it's her just doing the countdown with a slightly weird kind of two minutes. It's like it almost like Janice from a friend. Yeah. She's like, I'm going to do a Brooklyn accent for some reason. A Brooklyn accent for no reason, and it doesn't really have it for the rest of the movie. And that's, Beverly Hills Cop 1 is great. I think Beverly Hills Cop 2 is in the, in the minority of movies, are you slightly better than the, is a sequel slightly better than the first? And then the third one just goes completely off the rails as we know. Yeah. But it does have Serge in it, and he's like one of my favorite characters in any movie. And then part four has Jet Li in it, doesn't it? It's Jet Li in part four. Part four is coming out on Netflix, right? Oh, you know what I'm refusing it with? Lethal Weapon. You're thinking of Lethal Weapon? Yeah. Well, you're thinking of Lethal Weapon 4, which actually is a good fourth movie, and I will say that all the Lethal Weapons are. You've just picked, my genre of movie as a British kid. Action comedy. Was action police comedy when you were allowed to be entertained by police-based movies, which, because you didn't quite understand the troubling nature of that job. A maverick guy who didn't play by the rules and worked outside the law was fun then. It was fun. It was fun. There was no real life. There was no body cams better. No. So it was fun. When you moved to LA, where you were like, "I got to go see the shooting locations in Beverly Hills Cop 2." I definitely got excited going past the Beverly Hills sign. And then I think the building, there's some other, there's a building he jumps off in Lethal Weapon. Yeah, I get very excited when I go near any, that's the best thing about LA. It's like, it doesn't really have much culture, but it does have stuff like, "Oh, I've been to the bar from swingers." But yeah, Beverly Hills, very exciting too. And my mate when he came to visit went to look at the house that Eddie Murphy stole in Beverly Hills Cop 2. It is weird that he's still got it. It's a great plot. It's a great plot point in the movie. He goes to a house, it showed you as a British young, awkward British boy from an early age, just be super confident you can do anything you want, including still a house. It's why I tell him. I tell him some builders that the house should be round, not square, and then they all just quit. It's so fun. Yeah, if you just look like you're supposed to be somewhere, people don't question it. That's done me well in life. And then you just do anything bad, and you just say, "I didn't always used to be a cop," and then you can get away with anything. Right. It is a great movie. Give me a cop and badge. Yeah, that's a good call. I am also drawn to Baywatches on that night, and this episode of particular Geraldo Rivera is in a rare acting role. He is playing the jealous fiancée of a swimmer rescued by Mitch. Wow. Wow. I mean, that's great. That's peak 90s. Baywatch, was it? Baywatch. And '95 would be Pam Ranssen would have been the thing. Oh, yeah. Yep. She was still on it. They'd just put Nicole Eggert in, I think, at '95, a bigger show in the world than '95. A billion people watched it worldwide, right? It's crazy. Anything else on Saturday you're doing Beverly Hills Cop all night? I think I'm doing Beverly Hills Cop all night when, let me just check if there's anything else on that. I think it's Beverly Hills Cop is all night. That's it. I'm going to be done. That's my bedtime. Are there any movies that you saw, US movies that you saw on TV in the UK that you then saw uncut in the US and were surprised because I was shocked that sex would get left in movies, but violence would get cut out when I was there. So like you're watching Terminator and like the nudity and sex scenes in there, but like a bunch of the violence is cut out. That's so funny. I never even, I've not, I can't even think of the, because I guess I used to, I watched a lot of them when I was younger, then when I'd come over here, I didn't really come over here till I was much older. So no, I never saw that. That's such a funny, that does show the difference though, Europe, it's like you can show boobs and stuff, but you can't show people getting gratuiously murdered here, it's fine to have that. Because I would imagine it'd be so weird, like when you see a movie uncut and it's nudity, like, oh, that makes sense, but to be like, wait a minute, these people are just slaughtered? I never knew this happened. I know. That's so funny. It's, yeah, you know, you want to see all the, yeah, my mum and dad, let me just watch any of that stuff, like, no matter how violent or set, from like the age of probably like nine or ten, they just never, but it's all, I don't know, I've got a six month old now, so I don't know what I'm going to do with not exposing him to stuff, but I don't think I've turned into psychopaths, so I don't really know, I don't really, obviously you want to like, be careful what you let them see, but then also I feel like I never had it banned, so I never, you feel like we turned out okay, yeah, I feel like it's six months you could chop Beverly's cup too and he'd be all right, six months, if he, he just started really love, he starts stealing houses from the age of three, I'm like, damn it, it's like my toddler has a house in Beverly Hills somehow, actually, can I stay, I should start teaching how to steal houses, it's very expensive to buy them now, so in Sunday, what'd you do? Okay, well, so actually then, because of this Lois and Clark mix up on my end, I would be watching Lois and Clark at seven o'clock, I'd be watching the new adventures of Superman, as I would call it, seven to eight, I'd definitely be watching that, yeah, I don't know what was the episode. So this is where Lex Luthor rises from the dead, having lost his millions, but not his desire for Lois, or his wish to kill Superman by getting his hands on some Kryptonite. That's got to be the most like the writers room, that's like day one of the writers room, the most basic Superman plot you could have there, or it's described anyway, they haven't really gone into much specific detail, but yeah, it's a repeat, it's a repeat as well. Yeah, it's summertime, so summer at this time was almost all repeats, this was like 95, I was 15, this was the golden age of you could just, you didn't, too young took quite have a job fall summer, so I could kind of stay up all night and watch like everything and you'd catch up on all the reruns. Oh, yeah, I mean, I used to, yeah, I do kind of miss reruns as a thing where you could watch them, like now, because of streaming, it's like not really such a thing, is it? And I feel bad, those actors as well, you know, they must have been absolutely raking it in every turn. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, there's no residuals now. I have friends who, you know, we're on big shows and they literally get residual checks for like 11 cents, that would have been like $11,000 10 years ago. I know, I know it's really sad, why are we in this industry? It's awful. There's a horrible slash interesting thing on British filmmaker Nicholas Kent, who made a movie called Naked Hollywood in 1991, which is actually a pretty interesting docu-series, has a four hour show about Rush Limbaugh and American like politics, like as entertainment, which is, I'm really curious to watch their take on it in '95, because for the most part, the people who were sort of warning us at that time were pretty much right about this making it like sports and so this looks like it would be fascinating slash make me really depressed. Yeah, no. Yes, but it's four hours long. Where was that one? I don't know. Yeah. So you can't make anything. I mean, I guess movies sometime. Christopher Nolan might make something that long now, it's about it. Yes, he might make a Rush Limbaugh movie, that's four hours long. That's fair. But yeah, so I'd be watching Lois and Clark and then, you know, and loving the commercials because, you know, back then, I'd mind commercials, you didn't have the option to do that. Now we're going back to commercials again, which is funny. Yeah. And actually, people were recreating cable and back to commercial. Recreating cable, but paying the actors and writers less money. Yes. Because actually, you don't really mind, they don't really mind. Now that everyone, I think now that everyone's on their phone all the time, people actually don't mind the commercials. No, no, they're like, it's fine, it's, you know, people are used to it or they accept it as a sacrifice you have to pay for not having to pay for something. Absolutely. So yeah, I'd be watching that and then I'd actually put down the Simpsons, but obviously that clashes. So the Simpsons is on like all the time, but I would have also, yeah, so I'd be watching The Simpsons if I could, but I'm thinking one that finishes, oh, would I watch Misery? I don't know if I'd watch Misery. It's a bleak movie, but it's, it's, yeah, it's kind of a crazy concept. I did like Misery. And in one caveat of stuff, I'm just, I pick, I picked another night, but it is during the Olympics this and I am a huge fan of any, any round, I just like sports at any random sport I've never even heard of. I will become the biggest obsessive in that. So if that's, let's say Lois and Clark finished, I would then be watching, what was the sport on here? Summer Olympics, it's from Colorado, it's gymnastics, swimming and diving. Yeah, I'd be, I'd be well into all of that, mate. I'd be watching all of those. I'd be watching it all. Have you ever dived off like an Olympic level? Yeah, but not like an actual diet. I've like jumped off it because I'm, I don't want to. It's terrifying. It's mental. They do that. And then the judge, the commentator has always given grief for, for having more than a teacups worth of water that backsplashes. I'm like, I don't even know how they, well, like not being perfectly straight. I'm like, I just dive and hope that I don't die. I actually, but I think we're just the weird fact about me is I am, do you ever do something because like you hear it's a good thing for you and then you realize, why am I doing it? Tom Daley, the British diver, I heard in an interview, has half a cup of, half a lemon squeezed into warm water every morning to help his, to give him vitamin C and help his metabolism. And I do that every morning still. And I don't know why I'm not doing any sort of high level sport, but I have half a lemon squeezed into warm water every morning because of Tom Daley. Moving to that, I will tell you, as someone who's had kidney stones, which I would not recommend, that's one of the things they recommend to help you not get them. Really? Okay. Right. There you go. It's some citric acid every day and a lemon's worth citric acid. So you may have saved yourself from the incredible pain of kidney stones. All right. There we go. Thanks, Tom Daley. Yeah, because you can't dive if you're in horrible pain. I also want to mention the only other thing that, two things that jumped out on this Sunday night is the George Carlin show. Yes. Well, I don't even know what that show, but I love George Carlin. So I was the other thing to put. You would not like this. Oh, really? This is so weird. It was a sitcom with George Carlin. It was the first time he had a sitcom, which is in '95. They had an amazing, like, murderous row of character actors. All these people that worked on cheers and taxi or writers, like, just talent behind the show is huge, but it's awful. He plays a taxi driver who hangs out at a bar. They literally were like, "Can we just combine cheers and taxi and put George Carlin in it?" And they were like, "I guess." And it's not good. That's that weird thing, where, like, presumably back then, they were like, "I guess he had creative... Was it like, you never know if the execs decided or not, but, like, yeah, probably, so that does sound like an exec thing. Cheers was a hit. Taxi's a hit. Combine them. Whereas George Carlin's such a... It's now, I think about it, like, him as in a sitcom. I mean, he was in 'Rufus' in Bill and Ted, but really, he's so good at just monologuing about what's wrong with the world. So it's very hard to imagine him even playing a version of himself in 'Real Light'. It doesn't quite fit in my head, but yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was nothing about it that screamed George Carlin like, even the show Chicken Soup with Jackie Mason, he would do a monologue before and after the show, and then in the middle it was like a regular sitcom. And I'm like, they could have done that with George Carlin and it would have worked, but instead it's just like, "Here's just a sitcom about, like, a 60-year-old guy who has no money." Yeah. Well, I suppose you were right. Like, '95, that's like, it's after Seinfeld. Like, he was, like, way more... Well, I mean, yeah, he was peak-affused for a little bit, all right? Okay. Yeah, Rosanne, all those people. And then the outer limits is on that night, and I mention it because this is a really cool episode. This is the new outer limits that Showtime did. This one is written by and starring Leonard Nimoy, he also directed it, and it's an adaptation of iRobot, the Isaac Asimov story. And it's a courtroom drama about a robot that is accused of murder. And it's actually like one of the quintessential sci-fi stories of all time. It's the thing that established those rules of robotics that people even use in real life. And it's a really cool episode. Leonard Nimoy's really good, and he plays the defense attorney, and it's a cool episode. I forgot that it aired that night. I've never seen outer limits, but that's the type of sci-fi kind of different bespoke episodes. Yeah, yeah. Like, Tails didn't expect it, that kind of thing. Outer limits was the more monster sci-fi-focused one, but some of the best TV I've ever seen. The very saddest hour of television, I think, I've seen was an outer limits episode called The Architects of Fear, and it's very good, it's very good. Monday. If I got down for Monday, I've got her WWF wrestling, that's what I've put on there. Because I think at that time, I was still watching wrestling for a bit. I think I was just at the tail end of, maybe it was in between. I think I was how, yeah, I think I was watching a bit of wrestling, then. Yeah, I think that was down cold in Steve Austin. It was the very beginning of those guys. It was that sort of, the undertaker was huge, you had like, donk of the clown and that kind of stuff. But it was before like, Triple H and mankind coming in, it was like, yeah, I was in that. I sort of did, I know lots of adults, and lots of comedians do love WWE now, but I think that was, I watched it from about the age of nine till I was about 11, and then I was like, that's enough of that. But I would have been watching probably it then, WWE would have been all Fresh Prince, obviously. Fresh Princeabella is, that's... Fresh Prince is great. It's shocking to me how big of a hit Fresh Prince was in the UK. Biggest thing in the world. It's so weird to me which shows were huge hits over there, because for the most part, sitcoms of ours didn't tend to do well, because comedy doesn't travel that well, and it was mostly action shows or, you know, soapy stuff like Dallas or even Lewis and Clark. So I was surprised when, you know, I would talk to friends, and like, Fresh Prince was huge. It's matte like every... There's like a video of Will Smith going to a school in London, like less than 10 years ago. So like, so the kids would have not watched Fresh Prince when it came out, and they all sing the theme song to him, because I think that it still lives on like, you know, talk about shoving repeated a ton that just, yeah, it was a real, as one of those ones where you were a kid. I think it was fascinating to see like, because she's having a black American culture on our TVs really in the UK, and it was in a sort of like a, how do I say this, it's kind of like a soft entry to that world, right? Because it's like, you know, he's in this sort of, he's the kind of, he's fish out. The fish out a lot of culture cast, you know, you've got Carlton is a very funny and it's just like funny, big characters. So, you know, I think that, you know, that and friends were probably two of the, probably two of the two biggest sort of American sitcoms, because the character, you know, at the end of the day, I always think characters king in anything. So the fact that they're such well crafted characters, and an uncle Phil weirdly, now I think about it, I've quite, my dad, who I love very much, like, oh, that's, though those two shows, and I think about it, made me like really engage with the idea of being funny and like getting laughs, and so all the joke, all the fat jokes, which Will Smith said to uncle Phil, I was like, oh, can I just do this to my dad, and my dad is very easy going, like, you could, and you could just say anything to my dad, so he just doesn't care. He's just like, so I was just, it's a good punch, but I know, I was like, this is great. This is like, he's giving me material. Obviously now, I kind of feel like a mean nine, but my dad just took it all in good spirit. So that, that him... Oh, your kid will get you back. Oh, yeah. I got something. I can't, like, come in my way. So, yeah, I can't, I can't get angry. I'll just be like, yeah, you can just say whatever you want about me. I deserve that. That's interesting, you said, because like, I think about like the only sort of sitcoms in the UK at the same time that would have to be about black culture was like, Desmond Dens. The Desmond Dens. Which was good. It was a really good show, but so different. So different. And then I was saying that, like, that's the intro. I was saying that to my wife over there, it was like, so, to my Desmond, that's pretty head of its time. And then I go, yeah, I think it was that weird thing in the UK where you never had, in the 90s, you would never have like, a mix of, do you know what I mean? It was like, that was like the black show for the black demographic, but also for white people, curious about it. And then we were just, I was talking about the Kumar's at number 42. Oh, yeah. It's made for Fox right now, which isn't crazy to me, because I was like, that was so, it was like 20 years ago that, but that was, again, I used to find it really funny, but it was also, yeah, it was, it was a fascinating insight into a culture that you just, you know, as a, especially as a nine year old kid, you just aren't, you know, I'm not hanging out in black barbershops and stuff, but it was, it was good. Like, yeah, it was interesting to see the UK was like, they had the separate shows and obviously the good thing with, with society sort of progressing is now you can see different characters and different shows. But there are some shows that still feel like, you know, this, this, this world is more of a black world or Asian world or, or a world that is like, um, yeah, it was, yeah, you're right though. I don't, because I get, yeah. Did you guys, you had, you had fresh prints, but did you have anything is like that? Desmond's? Oh, yeah. There was a ton. So the 70s was a big time we had stuff like good times and what's happening and Norman and Lee are sort of discovered that you could make shows about black, middle class, black people and people would really like them. And there's a lot of middle class, black people and lower class, black people who, you know, financially are in the same scenario, they want to see shows about people like them. And they were massive hits. And then in the 90s, sort of Fox carved out a niche as being sort of the urban sitcom channel. So they had living single, which was basically black friends, a year before friends, um, Martin. There was a rock. They had a ton of sitcoms aimed at that crowd and they were all really good. It's, uh, it definitely, like most things here, um, if it makes money, sometimes good stuff is made, uh, because people want to try to jump on that gravy train. It's America, mate. If you can make a dollar, it's happening. Yep. Exactly. Uh, where are we? Tuesday night. Okay. Tuesday. What have we got for Tuesday? Home improvement, mate. The funny thing about the improvement. Oh, God. See, that's a show I never could get into. That shows to American from me. The thing is I was nine. Yeah. That's about it. So it's funny because like, I'm like, this is, I mean, this guy, I'm like, Tim Allen. This is hilarious. He's just like a real, he's got three kids and he's, he's really manly and he goes, oh, uh, and anybody think about it? That is sort of what a nine year old should find fun, but I can work out. Is it, is, is eight p.m. So I guess I'm just pitched a, pitched a family show. Yes. Yeah. So that's the other thing that's always interesting to me about the UK is so many of our prime time shows that were aimed at adults or for sort of the whole family aired in the UK like after school. And we're like, this is for children. I mean, I don't want to say it, but I will say that shows the difference in the, uh, yeah. Yeah. No, it's true. It's, you know, it's people like, oh, I love the 18 when I was a kid. We'd watch it on like, you know, two o'clock the afternoon, I'm like, that was a show for adults here. That's really, I never thought of that. That's really funny. That's, that's so true though. Yeah. You're right. Like this is, that's, that's yeah. That's our theater. That's our grown-up theater home improvement. But yeah, as a kid, love that show so much will, I will say Wilson. That's a great character. It is. I, I still reference him all the time. Anytime you only see someone like that, I'm like, well, you'd like Wilson from home improvement always gets a laugh. It's a great, great, great. And that character's written interestingly as well because he's sort of the same and also like is a character like he's one of the more fully formed actual characters. I'm just curious on the show. We're definitely. Yeah. No, but the Tim Alanging is funny because my friend Emma when we were, was driving down sunset here and, well, I am at the La Factory or was I going past her. And you know, the La Factory has all, it flashed up my turn, he's coming on. We've got, you know, Chris, Chris Rock, Jordan, I don't know if I'm trying to think of whoever's on there. And then she saw Tim Alan's name, Tim Alan's on, just like, like, like is, like the biggest celebrity ever in the world is on, because Australian as well grew up watching home improvement. I mean, that guy, that show must have done, I don't know how many seasons, but, um, oh, yeah, it was on like 12 seasons. And then people have a certain age like he was in the Santa Claus movies and like, but like he's a huge star for certain people. His stand up is complete garbage, but I've never seen it so I can't comment either way. Oh, it's bad. It's, it's bad. It's about exactly what you think it would be. Okay. But you know what actually I thought as maybe again, nine year old, and I like the kid that the brotherly dynamic, I just had a sister, but the young brothers dynamic and then you see them that fun, child age actor where you see them growing growing through puberty season by season. And I don't know, it's kind of a fun, maybe a voyeuristic thing to look at and then you're looking at the biggest. Well, the youngest one became super golf in the later seasons, which was really weird. Exactly. Yeah. So there's that. Fashing with home improvement is is actually, I think, I think my favorite American sitcom of all time, which is Frasier, but I don't know if I would have been appreciated when I was nine because you say prime time stuff. I mean, that that is, that wasn't necessarily a kid show, but that show, as I, you know, I still love friends and stuff. Frasier, I think is just one of the greatest, greatest shows ever made is so good. The character talking about. You were a Cheers fan? Definitely never, never watched Cheers, never really got into Cheers. But Frasier, the fast, the fast in it, the, just, there's such a simple premise, right, which is working class dad or blue collar dad and hoity, toity sons. And then Niles is just, just, just the best character of all time. Which is a much more British setup for comedy because it's about class. Yes. It's not like we rarely have shows about class and we rarely have shows here about sort of pompous upper class people who are made to look silly. Like that is not a model we generally have here. That's sort of, it's the faulty towers, you know, it's like, Frasier kind of does fit into that category, which is unusual for most of the sitcoms here, especially then. Yeah. And then you may think, maybe think about it. So I guess it, it must have attracted at the time the slightly more intellectual for lack of a better time viewer to be like, oh, this is the sort of thinking man's friends or whatever. But yeah, just just a great show. So good. And that doesn't have, doesn't have the two of my favorite characters from the show. So it's hard to get into it. One's dead. So that's probably good. He would, that would be weird. It's hard to put him in. You never know how I make. You can get him back in there. That's true. They've done weirder things. But yeah, it sort of, it sort of was an evolution of cheers because on cheers, which is one of my favorite shows ever, it's, everyone hangs out at this bar because they're all alcohol. That's right. And so the great universe. That's very British. It is. It really is. Early doors. One of my favorite shows. Well, but it's funny because you literally have like a mailman sitting next to a clinical psychiatrist and all these people and the great unifier is they're all alcoholics and they're in this bar in the afternoon. So it sort of had that same kind of thing that just sort of, you know, became much more focused when it moved over to Frasier. But yeah, very interesting show for sure. Then where are we? Wednesday? Party of five, I've gone with, I can't, I can't, I can't, I couldn't ask me to describe anything from it apart from Neve Campbell and Jennifer Love Hewitt. Love Hewitt. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about, and that again, I'm talking about me just my coming of age as a young boy. But also, what was the guy's name, the main dude in it? Oh, we can really picture his face. You always, we swear. Matt Wolf? Yeah, but the character. He used to wear a Letterman jacket and the name is, oh yeah, his name is, he's the alcoholic. I think it was no. Bailey, yeah. And I can't remember anything from that show, but I just remember seeing it and it was one of those shows that would, it would never be like excited to watch it, but I would watch it because it was, I think it was probably on the sort of like, you're talking about again, after school, what's on TV, what can I watch? So it would have been, yeah, party of five, I guess it was like an early sort of family drama, like this is us for the 90s, is it? I don't know. Sort of. Like the premise was this, these, these kids parents died, so their 18 year old brother had to become their guardian and it's very melodramatic and it's very like beautiful people having problems and Bailey's an alcoholic and the ad in here for this one is ridiculous. It's the oldest brother and his girlfriend and it's like the hottest romance on television is just getting started tonight, party of five. And then the funniest part is under that, it says, winner of the 1995 Humanitist Prize. Oh, there we go. I love it. What a crazy prize. I love that. That's hilarious. It's going to get hot, Humanitist 1995, it all works. Yeah. A show that was huge, people do not revisit it. It does not have the sort of nostalgic vibe of 90210, because it's just so over the top. It goes beyond parody sometimes where it's not even enjoyable on like an ironic level as an adult. I know. I bet. Yeah. I mean, it was like Paul Mann's Dawson's Creek, probably for me. I don't even have Dawson's Creek before that time yet, but it was Dawson's Creek came out in '99, early 2000s and Dawson's Creek was significantly better, but you know, those were better. Way better. It felt like it went on for eight. I don't have any seasons. It did. It felt like it. It was on for a while. It was on for like eight seasons. The old days to be a teenager. Yeah. Plus, like teenage girls loved it. And '90s is when American television, yeah, British boys, teenage girls, same thing, but they've realized that teenage girls were like the best audience to get, and we're actually the most lucrative demographic that bought stuff, so they started to really promote stuff to that audience. Well, that's what every network is still trying to get the TikTok people watches on, which is good. Yeah. You know, that's why it's the death of television. It's where are we? Wednesday. We're on Thursday. So, there's a few, actually, that I'd like to watch on here. I'm going to start with Burke's Law, which is that's the father and son detectives, right? Yeah. And that was on channel five, and I used to watch it on my mum, and I used to really like watching that. That was like with the, you know, how like everything's become like a murder-solving thing, but that was early watching of a, of a procedural for me, Burke's Law, mad about you's also on at the same time. I used to watch mad about you. I used to quite like mad about you. I've done shows with Paul Reiser, but every time I see him, I tell him how much I like his character in Beverly Hills Cop, more than mad. I don't even mention mad about you, so I really like his character. I'd go alien or die. Right. He's one of the guys. I don't really care about famous people, but I'm just like, I love Beverly Hills Cop so much. I'm like, dude. Yeah. Great. I love your character in that. And he's always like, oh, cheers. So, mad about you, I would watch it if it's on, but I'm choosing Burke's Law because of the nostalgic memories of watching that with my mum. And then I'm going from that to Seinfeld to friends. And then I think that's a solid. That's a solid. No, Burke's Law is interesting because it's sort of more in that murder she wrote vein, but by 95, we were starting to get like homicide and CSI and those shows where I always say the difference between the 80s murder shows and the 90s murder shows is autopsies. Oh, that's so funny. Like, the other ones, people just clutch and die and they're like, I see that the window is open, but in the two years later, it'd be like, we cut open his stomach contents and there's so much semen. Yeah, that's very true. And you're like, oh, God, mad about you. I love it. Mad about you. I always say is one of the three most underrated sitcoms of the 90s along with news radio and Spin City. I love Spin City. Holds up. Spin City is so good. Spin City is one of the best. So good. Sorry, just to go on a character. The movie, the peacemaker last night, and the, what's the character in the gay character in Spin City? So I just can't. Oh, Carter. Yeah. He is a gen. He's an army general in the peacemaker. And I go, Hannah, it's the guy from, it's the guy from Spin City. So I just love Spin City. Yes. Yeah. He's great. He's on the good fight and the good wife as well. Okay. Good. Awesome. I always hope someone from a show has a good acting career. Oh, yeah. He works all the time. And stuff. I'm like, this guy's great. Michael Boatman, I think? Yes. That's correct. Matter of what he's great. It's characters. It's dialogue. It just holds up. This episode is particularly interesting because a very strange thing is Carl Reiner is in this episode. Guest on. Right. But he's playing Alan Brady, which is the character he was on the Dick Van Dyke show. Wow. So it's a really weird four years later, same character. It's in the same universe episode. So that's very interesting to me and I feel like I need to go back and watch that one. That's crazy. Because that's weird. Seinfeld, again, huge show here did nothing sort of in the UK. It was sort of a cult show. It was on like late on Channel 4 or something. But friends. Massive. Bigger show in the world, friends. I mean, you know, talk about every day going into school on, I come in what day aired, maybe aired on like a Wednesday night or something and then you would religiously watch it and then come in the next day and then Chandler watching. I mean, Matthew Perry dying this year, last year, genuinely super sad because he was like, talk about Fresh Prince and those jokes about Uncle Phil. I was probably 10 watching friends for the first time. It came out in '95, I think. Yep. '94 and '95 or that sort of thing. Maybe in nine, nine years, maybe I watched it from season two and then I stuck, you know, back cataloged it afterwards. So I was nine or 10. I was like, oh, you can like just like be sarcastic and make your friends laugh. It was like, I didn't even know that was an option until I watched Chandler do it. And then I became my identity for my whole school life. So Matthew Perry had a huge impact on me. And then, you know, as the show goes on, you actually, what's fun about the show and maybe where I'm drawn to writing and just general TV. Anyways, you go, oh, the character's changed. Actually, Chandler, I think Ross Geller is the funniest character by quite a long way by the end because it's just, it's just, it's like Dennis and always Sonny just gets deeper and deeper into, you know, kind of going off the rails and he gets angry and all that stuff. But yeah, Chandler, when he was single, was extremely funny and then when he fell in love, as all of us became less funny. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like you've run out of people to date on that show. They've done all the combinations that are legal. Yes. It's kind of weird. Yeah. In Seinfeld, a show, again, I've seen it said this on the show before, but loved it at the time. I feel like it doesn't hold up. I can't quite watch it now. It's like, because all the jokes are about plot and they're like magic trick reveal plots and the character stuff isn't as funny. So once you see it, it doesn't hold up on multiple views, but everyone disagrees with me. Okay. Friday night. What are you doing? Boy Meets World. It's what I've got here. Boy Meets World. Aaron in the UK? Yeah, mate. I was very attracted to Topanga, which was okay because of my age at the time. Yes. That's age appropriate. Yeah. Boy Meets World, Corey, Topanga, that will they won't nay. Brilliant. Loved it. And that was in the, you know, that, that and home improvement, I think, I think at the time, I must have had Sky Television. So there was a network called Trouble, which basically aired, you know, say by the bell of colleges, Fresh Prince, Sister Sister, USA High. Oh God, USA High. Yeah, mate. Honestly. So I, so that's what, maybe that's why I had to move to America. All those shows I used to love USA High, which was an American college in Paris. Yes. It was just sort of, it was just the worst version of say by the bell, the kind of. Yeah. There was a lot of the city guys hang time. Hang time used to love that. So when I saw Mark Curry performing at the improv, I was like, that's exciting. He's from so many of those got, yeah, what else was the city guys? Yeah. So what's that? And then, yeah. I'm hanging. California dreams. Mr Cooper. California dreams. Mr Cooper. I still know that still know the theme tunes out. Don't. California. Just crazy. And then so boy meets world was right up there, mate. It was another great one. And then, yeah, that never said on a lot of seasons that but Mr. Feeney, you know, just it was great. Yeah. That was on like six seasons. The last two seasons, they really became like a full on Friends rip off, which is really weird. Like they lived in an apartment. It's very strange. Friday night, I want to mention a great show was on as a summer replacement series. So one of the few things that wasn't a rerun was Michael Moore's TV nation. And this was Michael Moore's Fox show that was like a docu series show. This was the first thing that Louis Thoreau ever did in the US. Wow. Hang on. Are you sure? Louis Thoreau is on this in '95. And this was the first thing he did. It might have been the first thing he did, but he was doing very Louis through type things, those sort of, you know, almost daily show type segments that people would think now that he went to do a weird weekends with after. He did that on TV nation. The other correspondents were Karen Duffy, who's an amazing friend of the show. Janine Garafolo was one of them. It's a really interesting show that was about 10 years ahead of its time. It was ahead of the daily show. It didn't do well. It was a little too weird for people. It had, I think, too much of a point of view. There was a running thing about like white collar criminals. People just didn't want to, they weren't having it, you know? Wow. But that's where I first heard of Louis Thoreau. Wow. That's crazy. He actually, where I live in East Hollywood, I sort of, he used to, he used to live nearby when I first got here because he used to write in a coffee shop near me. And then he also used to live near me in London when I used to live in London, but by all accounts, there was this lovely bloke. Oh, yeah. I've only heard good things, but also he's stalking you apparently. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Lovely. He knows you could target when he sees one. It's a good fan. Well, that is the week anything else in here that jumped out, are you? I just, I mean, just on this final day, I was like, well, if you're going back to movies, which I'm watching Terminator and I'm watching Demolition Man and Demolition Man just for the fact that has two of the greatest character names of all time, Simon Phoenix and John Spartan. I honestly, one of my favorite things to do is just look up action star names on IMDB. So, Segal is the best especially his early movies, Mason Storm, Mason Storm. Mason Storm is a great one. Actually, John Claude Van Damme is pretty good, especially ones you've not even heard of. There's one character he plays in something. I'm never even seen it called Vincent Brazil, and I'm like, that's so great. Have you ever seen Stone Cold? No. I haven't seen Stone Cold. Oh, you got to see Stone Cold. It's a 90s football player, Brian Bosworth, a huge mullet, American football player. He plays a character named John Stone. John Stone. I love it. Literally opening scene. He murders some criminal in a supermarket robbery and he goes, "Is it clean up on aisle four?" Like turning your gun in badge. It's got everything you ever wanted. Stone Cold. All right. Well, me and the Misses are watch sex. We love anything like that. Yeah. Fantastic. Well, I know you've got an infant to get to, so I won't keep you all night here. Thanks, mate. But I do need to hear what you think of Stone Cold when you watch it, so I will need a follow-up. I'll message you. Yeah. Fantastic. And yeah, that's the week. Anything in here that you were like, "Oh, I need to go back and watch." That was a surprise. I mean, nothing crazy that like, yeah, I mean, home improvement when we talked about it. I kind of want to watch that now just to see how badly that's. You know what I see? How badly it's aged. Yeah. I want to hear badly it's aged because like most stuff doesn't age well, but like obviously phrase you, partly why I think it's great is it ages age so well. Oh, yeah. Home improvement, I will say, aged very well because it was always garbage. Okay. Okay, right. It stayed exactly the same. It's just no change. Perfect. All right. Perfect. Well, it's a hit show and I can't begrudging that. Yeah. I mean, they made a lot of money. What do I know? I'm here. Thank you so much. Been nice meeting you and great to talk to you. Thanks, mate. There you go. That's Chris. Super funny guy. Chris Martin comedy.co.uk above ground comedian is his new special on YouTube, which is free. Very funny guy. Hopefully you won't get confused when I have Chris Martin from Coldplay on, which will probably definitely happen. He keeps bothering me about being on the show and I'm like, dude, I don't know. I'm thinking about it. So he may or may not be on, but we'll have someone very good on next week. So I hope to see you here for that for a brand new edition of TV Gardens Counselor. [MUSIC PLAYING] [BLANK_AUDIO]
