I gave people all the stuff they really needed, social security checks, utility bills, TV guide. He's back ladies and gentlemen, the man behind the mask. He does not behind a mask. It's Ken Reed. Happy Fourth of July Independence Day week if you're in America and you celebrate that. We have a returning guest. That's why I said he's back and Friday the 13th part six has ruined the phrase. He's back for me, probably forever, but it's a good movie to watch this week. I always enjoy watching the Friday the 13th films just at the beginning of the summer. Anyway, he's back this week. It's Judd Winnick Judd is the best if you didn't hear the episode that judge did previously, but I don't know a year or a half ago, something like that. Go back and listen to it. It's really fun. Judd is super smart, awesome guy, good dude, writer of the hula comic or book series. Also just a long time comic writer written everything cool, X-Men, X-Is, which we'll talk about here a little bit, Red Hood at Batman, just so much good stuff and just happened to be on season three of the real world. So, Judd, one of my favorite human beings on Earth. This was an excellent, excellent conversation and I think you'll enjoy it. So please, sit back, relax and enjoy this week's episode of TV Guide and Counselor with my returning guest, Judd Winnick. Why is he a satellite from San Francisco? Judd Winnick, how are you again, sir? Sir, I am so good. I am so happy to be here. I'm hoping we can keep to this under three hours. That's the hope. We were pushing the limits last time. You know what? Yeah. That's why I wanted to come back. It's us as this is good this. I appreciate being on here. This is good stuff. It's a good time. The listeners, weirdly I discovered when I first started doing this show and having come from radio where I was like 45 minutes maximum is anyone's going to listen to this. And then the longer they were, the more listens it got and I was like, all right. Wow. Okay. Okay. Well, what do I know? Let's go. Like if they have long commutes or they don't want to have to like DJ and put something else on, like they just kind of want to sit there and listen to a long thing. I get it sometimes, you know, I don't do them in the three hour ones. Of course, I don't do it in one sitting, but you know, a little bit while you're working out a little bit while I don't know, drawing a little bit while I'm in the car. I get it. I get it. Yeah. So, you know, if it's a good conversation, which apparently you. It is. Well, yeah. Sir, when I have good guess, when I have good guess, it makes it easy. You're just chatting a little bit before we started recording about Gary Busey hiding in your attic. And I love that you didn't know the reference, which most people probably don't. I don't know how many people have seen Hider in the house, the late 80s movie with Gary Busey. But I can't tell if it's more or less crazy that I would say that based on a Gary Busey movie I've seen or just pulling him out of thin air of living in your attic, they both sound nuts. They do. I mean, oh, I mean, you know, having Gary Busey in your attic as a motion picture, it's sort of like it's the first thought you have in the room when you're talking about like, okay. So we got someone like living in your attic, like I don't know, like a Gary Busey. Yeah. Like, okay. Can we get Gary Busey? Well, I'm sure we could. Do we want it? Do we want to do that? We could get Jake in. Jake could be good, too, and you know, and he'll be on time and we can ensure him. Yes. Well, shoot the movie mostly in flashbacks with Jake as Gary's character now. Uh, he's been trapped in that attic for God knows how long. Uh, yeah. It's some of you where he was like the contractor who built the house and then he was presumed dead, but he lives up there and he's like spying on this family that he's creeping on. It's, it's. Yeah. Oh, that is just it. It's more bananas. The more you talk about it. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's, I don't say it was a bit like the TV movie Bad Ronald from the 70s. Do you recall that made for TV movie? Start me off. Uh, Billy Jacoby is a mentally disturbed child who lives in the walls of his mother's house. She hides him from the authorities. She's elderly. She dies. A new family moves into the house and he still lives in the walls. Wow. When was this? 7475. I want to say it's, it is, it is old. It's not in the, as I'm going to discuss here, as we, as we get to today's topic, the day TV guy from September of 91. Yes. After going through the TV guide, Ken, I got to tell you, we, this was a, this was a dark time. Really? I like, I like this time. Oh, I don't know. I don't know if we're bringing, as NASA says, our best and brightest. I don't think they were coming out here. Um, now, now mind you, mind you, 1991, I'm 21 years old, you know, and I might have been out and about and doing things and to be honest with you, I was and I did. So maybe I was not as emotionally invested in this era. But this has, this has an odd feeling of as it was in music, kind of the, the metal hairband era where, yeah, it's popular. Yeah. And people might be listening and watching, but it doesn't mean it's good. And, uh, you know, it's, it's pre-grunge. This is before, you know, and, and as far as the TV movies, again, this is like an era where, I mean, long before streaming services and long before, you know, before indie films really sort of kicked in here, right? Yeah, that nineties boom where you could, it got a little bit cheaper to make a movie. Yeah. So you would make a TV movie about nothing for nothing. And you know, it's like, Hey, we got a location. It's mostly people talking in rooms, you know, a lot of bad thrillers, court room. Yeah. It's like this woman kidnapped her own child to act as an organ donor for another child that she also kidnapped. It's like, dude, you are not too far off from a TV movie. Is in this one of the ones in there. No, there's one in here with Stephen Dorff who he was a baby who was sold by baby nappers when he was a kid. And I guess in, and well, so he's 21 now around this era is like a, uh, well, he, he's Stephen Dorff. So he probably looks like a teenager. Yeah. So it looks like a teenager. And he's out to find his birth parents. I don't know anything beyond that, but that, that is in here. Excellent. They're doing that. We will get there. This is the 80s really didn't end until the end of 1992. Just like I feel like they didn't start until about 1984. It was still that hangover from the previous decade and definitely in there. This is September. This is September 791. So this is even before the week before, two weeks before the new fall season started. So we're still in like the summer hangover of the 90, 91 season. There's some weirdness in here. Like even just one. Green Turner's on the cover, the very beautiful Janine Turner, very Republican Janine Turner of Northern exposure, which is certainly a highlight. I mean, that show. I love that show. It's actually streaming now. So you can watch it again. It's, it's still really good. This I know and this I know and we shall talk about that. Yes. There's also an odd, it's on, they say it's on page 14. But when I looked at the contents here, we got Walter Cronkite interviewing a dinosaur puppet. Yep. There's a whole, there's a whole series here, a mini series, if you will. I think with Walter Cronkite doing dinosaurs. Yep. So this is, so yes, not unlike as you were describing, although it's September 7th, we're not really done with summer yet. You know, they are showing, there's a lot of programs here which are these, the previous season finales repeats. Yep. And stuff like Walter Cronkite might not be behind the desk anymore, but he's, he's still doing stuff. Yeah. With dinosaurs. With dinosaurs. I wonder if that, he was offended like the same way that, that on Jake and the Fat Man, when, oh my God, why am I forgetting the name of the guy from Jake and the Fat Man who was in Cannon. William Conrad, like William Conrad, they're like, we got a role for you. It's a leading role, title role, Jake and the Fat Man. And he's like, I guess why be Jake and they're like, no. Well, well, sit down for a second. I want to talk you throughout great this show is like, am I the Fat Man? Just sit down. Sarah, just let me talk you through this. Don't judge. Don't judge yet. Yeah. Just, let me walk, walk you through the like, listen, if you, if you give me nine more grand an episode, you can call me whatever you want. Yes. Okay. All right. Cronkite, they're like, the show's about dinosaurs. So we needed to get someone who people equate with dinosaurs. So we got you Walter Cronkite and he'd be like, all right. Okay. It's like, you know, I covered the Kennedy assassination and the moon landing. That was me. And it gets, yeah, we got a dinosaur pupper over here. Walt. It's like, great. Good. Oh, it's Hansen. It's not a Henson puppet though. It's a, it's sub-Henson. I'm sorry. So we're not doing Henson puppets? Okay. Yeah. There's a great SCTV sketch called Walter Cronkite's brain where Rick Moranis plays Walter Cronkite and he has Ted Koppel as a, um, as a huge pothead for some reason. I don't know why. And he just, he has this whole like monologue about pot and he goes, I don't. Get high anymore. I just smoked dope and get depressed. It's just like the weirdest thing and it's like a full length episode called Cronkite's brain. It's so bizarre. I love it. Oh, SCTV actually, they really swung for the fences more than people realize. Yeah. They just really, I just, I just, Rick Moranis, I just found a clip, found a clip scrolling through you through Instagram and there's Rick Moranis. I don't know what he, I don't know what he's doing yet, but he breaks into song. I don't quite recognize a song and, um, it turns out he's singing police do, do, do, do, da, da, da, um, he's doing, he's doing John Davidson, covering a police song. Then do, do, when he finally got to the chorus, if I recognize it, and it was so brilliant and kind of random and, and, and strangely spot on, which is like, an amazing musician. Like, yeah, all those people were, there's a great one too with, um, with Eugene Levy and he's playing, um, oh my God. It's, uh, like a, like an AM660 singer and I was, geez, I can't remember his name, like a Bing Crosby type, but it's not Bing Crosby, but he, uh, it's called the, um, he's still a live tour and he's laying down, face down on the, on the stage the whole time with the microphone put on the floor. And that's how he's singing, but he's doing, I will survive by glory again. And it's like, I will survive, and it's like this really low, it's, yeah. It's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah. It's fantastic. Um, but yeah, so we have this big article in here about Northern exposure, which was a, a fluke hit. So this was 1990. We got Twin Peaks, which again was a fluke hit massive hit and it was that kind of thing that it was such a huge hit the first season that it burned out immediately. Like heroes had that Batman 66 had that, um, yeah, but they green lit all these shows about strange small towns in the woods and the light of the peaks and Northern exposure is one of them that they sort of trojan hoarse to the show in where they pitched it a little more twin pixie. And then as they were able to shake that off, it became just, it's almost like the Andy Griffith show. It is, you know, I mean, well, we can jump right in and start by Northern exposure and I can talk Northern exposure. Yes. It is, it is amazing. It's, it's this happy accent. For one thing it premiered in July, which I think they're referred to as a mid season replacement. And we need to talk to people who were around them like it's July mid season would be, you know, in the middle of the season, which would be, yeah, earlier, this is July. So we assume that they were trying to kill it. There's a dumping round. It was only eight episodes that they threw in the middle of the summer and people are supposed to be at the beach and doing cookouts and crap like that. People don't watch TV much. But in the absence of anything being on, I guess they went to it and liked it because it was great. Especially the first season. It was just eight episodes. It was great. I mean, God Almighty. The shows that they tried to bury in the summer, like I think the only other time, a little show which came much, much later, which the network hated and dumped into the summer and expected no one to watch just a little medical drama called Grey's Anatomy. Yep. Grey's Anatomy has been on 85 years now. It is the Ship of Theseus. No one from the original program is on the show anymore. It's still running. Okay. Big God. I assume the people at home know what Ship of Theseus is. Yes, of course. Thought experiment, Ship of the Greek mythological king that the ship is slowly over its journeys has been replaced bit by bit to the point where none of the original pieces are there. That's an entirely different vessel, but it is still the Ship of Theseus. Some of these rock bands playing concerts now in the summer. Is it still the band, even though it's the third drummer from the band is the only member? Yeah. Yeah, no. Exactly. Exactly. That is crazy. Anatomy. But northern exposure, I think, had its own issues later as it as it too fell apart. Yeah. It was eight episodes the first season. Then they came back real quick, ten months later, almost a year later with, I think, it was another seven episodes. That was their season two. And then by the time they finally got to a full season of, you know, back then, it's like 24 episodes, like they're just cram, you know, Rob Morrow, our lead, is already haggling for his contract. Yep. He's already getting into fisticuffs that he wants more money. And inarguably, at this point, was worth it. Yeah. Yeah. For where the show went. And the show's just, I don't, looking at the show, okay, now, if you don't know Northern exposure, just go listen to something else, because we're just going to talk about it. This is not the show for you. They're not the show for you. We got to get into it. They don't. It's a very difficult show to make as far as storytelling, because there's no engine, meaning, and I assume the folks on the show, I understand what a show engine is, is literally a thing that drives the show forward. If you're a medical drama, everyone, someone sick is rolling through there. It's a legal drama. You always have cases. There's always something driving the show. So this falls into the realm of soap opera. It's just, you know, just show about people living their lives. You know, Joel Fleischman is a doctor, so occasionally we'll fall back on that he's treating patients, but it's not really the engine of the show. No. It's the personalities, which is just an impossible thing to do so hard. So hard. No one's doing it anymore. No. And it's such a small cast, too, that you can't even do the cheat where you're like, this person dates this person, then they date this person. Like we keep switching the dating alliances, which is what most things fall back on, but that is not an option here. Yeah. No. No. I mean, you know, they have the, you know, they have the will they won't. They with Rob Morone, Janine Turner, you know, and eventually they do, but you know, it's, they had to rely on coming up with original and interesting stories for the characters, and they did. They did, right? And I've watched, I've watched the final. Okay. So, so for those playing at home, Rob Morone during the, into the third, into the fourth and the fifth season, he got into a contract dispute. He just wanted more money and they should have given it to him and they didn't. And part of that reason I should mention is because of that 10 months in between. So this show, they were, they were getting rid of it. They're burning off in the summer. They didn't expect it to be a hit. They had canceled it and all the people had, once a show is canceled, everyone goes onto their next gig. So they literally had to like pull people off of other things and it took 10 months to get all the people back to do this show that they had completely written off. So he's already feeling like, ah, yeah, I got them over a barrel now. This was so much trouble last time. So he's, they've kind of set him up. It's not totally his fault. They've kind of set him up for this mindset. Yeah. And as, as they have to, because it can't come back without him, yeah, at least initially, he's the lead in the show. He's, he's the inciting incident of the program. He's our fish out of water. He's the, you know, you know, Jewish, you know, doctor in residency who's coming to the small town in Alaska to treat these folks. I mean, later they, you know, they tried it, they're, they were trying to clearly threaten him with bringing in some other folks. Anthony Edwards. Everyone's always threatened. Anthony Edwards. Yes. Anthony Edwards, the very, very threatening Anthony Edwards, who is so great in this? Yeah. Who's great. Period. Um, I was listening to another podcast was discussing Anthony Edwards, working on zodiac and David Fincher, who does, you know, 55 takes, um, went off on how great Anthony Edwards was, like in real time, apparently, like they're doing it and like, like they're on their 25th take and he like, like leans over and says to like a bunch of people, that's an actor. 25 takes. He's giving me something different every single time. That's a heavyweight right there. And you know what? My, my family and I were, we are rewatching ER, um, because my kids are teenagers. And my wife's a doctor. So it makes her very interesting. So you really want to bum them all out. Well, yeah, we're getting, it's getting more bumage. Well, what's fun is you can pause it. And my wife explained shit. It's great. Did she ruined? Like, is she like, that's not accurate. You wouldn't do that. Or she like, they're pretty dead on. That's this and this little from column A, little from column B. Okay. ER was considering that it's television. Um, it's pretty accurate. I mean, like a funny example is that like on Grey's Anatomy that we're just talking about. Uh, who's the lead? Who's mxtimi? Uh, Patrick? Patrick, uh, Patrick Dempsey. Yeah. From the other point. Patrick Dempsey. Yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And he's great. In the first episode, in the pilot episode, he does brain surgery. And then, uh, when they go to series and, or, or rather, someone points out, well, you know, and he'll be doing this surgery, like, well, no, no, he can't do that. He's a neurosurgeon. Sorry. He's a neurosurgeon. It's like, oh, they don't do, no, no, he's not general surgeons. He'll cut it into people's. He's a neurosurgeon. Did you guys not know this? About the one thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's how surgery works. And, uh, so Grey's Anatomy is always like way out there and, you know, where's, er, close to home. Okay. Back to back. No exposure. Yes. They brought in Anthony Edwards later just to scare the crap out of Rob Morrow. And you know, it could have worked if they, if Rob Morrow walked away and then, uh, Paul Paul prevents it. Yep. Paul prevents it last season. And you know what? He's actually good. All series is actually good. Um, Paul prevents it in there. One of our last gasp and the show's a mess. And they got Chris in the morning, um, now hooking up with, uh, goodness, I'm trying, I got to remember her character's name. Forgive me for getting off the mic. Maggie. Maggie O'Connell. Oh, yeah. Janine Turner. Which makes more sense than her and Dr. Fleischman, I think. Kind of, but not, not, I mean, sort of, I mean, it was something to do, you know, uh, but, uh, goodness, I, I can't tell you how much I love this show when I first saw it. Uh, even, I think I was even aware that I, I, um, as a Jewish person, I enjoyed the Jewishness of the show because so often the Jewishness and stuff, especially, oh no, well still, it's just like putting it, putting aside the, uh, Israel currently in a war. Let's, let's step aside from that. And, and the newfound anti-Semitism we have across the country. Let's put all that aside for a second. If, if we can, if we. Uh, done. Fix. Oh, yeah. Done. Moving on. Problem solved. Chiff-chop. Um, every time there'd be something, you would always have the same dumb-ass Jewish joke for someone. They thought they were just being so great. Like, oh my God, I am this embarrassed since I got my braces locked at, at Alan Shekstein's Bar Mitzvah. Right. I was kissing Alice in Goldstein on the dance floor during her slow dance and our braces locked up. It's like, okay, we understand. Blah, blah, blah. Yes. Okay. Oh, God. Ah. Ah. Whereas this just, it kind of worked. It works for his character. He's like, he's, he's very practical. Like, yeah. You know, and the, the only things that was, I think a couple of times he had like bagels flown in from New York, but I'm like, that, that tracks. That's not like cartoonish. Like people do that. Oh. It wouldn't be insane. It would. You know, he's living in Alaska. And yes, and that I actually, I was such, I'm such a fan. I remember that episode. Yeah. He, in the teaser, I think he's just shooting the breeze or one of, you know, the, the town folk and he's getting really Alaskan in his talk. They're talking about like the, the clothes they're wearing and this thing is like a, it's too ply. I can say warmer there and a little, no, I had this, a bit of frost and he's, he catches himself like, oh my God, what am I doing? Yes. Like he became a local. Yes. So I've got to, I've got to immerse myself and being a New Yorker once again. Thanks for getting my roots. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, this show was a highlight of 91. Like I'm not surprised it is, you know, the cover story. There's a really good long article in here. Um, and I've had Paul Pervins on the show and we discussed, um, him taking over. And that was a really interesting chat, um, from his perspective because, you know, he was kind of looked at as like a scab almost, um, and you know, he had to come in and bring this different energy to the show. Um, and again, not his fault that, you know, of what's going on and just a weird scenario, but that last season still works. I mean, he still, uh, it was, he was, I, you know what, as far as storytelling, I thought they made a good choice that like he's coming in as a doctor. He's married to Terry Polo, who was polo is pronounced polo. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And she's great. They're great and made for an interesting story. And, um, it could have actually gone on, I think it could have actually survived that. But by then the creator show, they had left David Chase came in. David Chase is a later Sopranos fame who just, unfortunately his, his quote on Northern exposure now, it was a job. It did that for the money. Yeah. I was just, it was a gig. It's like, oh, okay. That thing I loved and it means something to me as a dumb job. Yeah. It's just a, just a dumb job. The paycheck kid. Yeah. Ah. Hey, I kind of like some of that. Yeah. Good stuff. There, there's like some great fine stuff in here and there were some shows I forgot about like young writers, which was a rip off TV show that was a TV version of Young Guns 2. Right. Right. I looked at that and actually I'm scanning it saying like, are any of the young guys, young guns guys in here? Nope. I mean, a couple of them might have made the drop to TV, but no, actually all of them, all of them still had enough juice. They went and for those playing at home in 1991, if you were in film, you did not drop down to do television. No. Unless you wanted to only ever do television again and nothing else. Never go back. Case in point. There's a TV movie in here with Treat Williams. Yep. Okay. And you know what? Treat Williams. The greatest. Awesome. Never bad. Never bad. And you know, just got lost in the switches there. So, you know, he's doing some period piece thing where he's playing a lawyer or some shit. And I bet it, you know, if you watch it like, this isn't great, but he's great. He's never not. So anyway, yes, you know, none of the young guns. He's even great in dead heat. And it's a low bar because he's opposite Joe Piscopo. But he's playing an undead cop trying to solve his own murder. Jesus. I'm going to like, no, just like, like, oh, you said so many words put together, like dead heat. Yep. Do I know that Joe Piscopo? I do not know that. Oh, you do love it. I mean, really? I mean, Johnny, he's good in Johnny Dangerously, which I've not watched in. If I've watched in 25 years, it still might be longer than that, you know, it's, it's, it's probably dumb, but actually probably holds up a little bit and, you know, that's, that's where Piscopo belong. So he's treat treat the dead cop treats the dead cop. Yep. Piscopo is his partner. It's full on Royds Piscopo. The villains in it are played by Vincent Price and his final role, pre, not counting over his his hands and Darren McGavin. Wow. And it's pretty good. It's like a zombie, it's a zombie version of D O A. Okay. And they're playing for laughs? It's, it was. Yes. Oh my God. They're not. Oh God. They're not. That's comedy. Oh, oh my God. They're terribly funny, it's more like a, it's not a perfect movie, but if they had leaned into the Shane Blackness of it and it and made it more lethal weapon than comedy, like that kind of, I think it would have been really good, but it's, it's a, it's a very interesting idea with some cool execution and treat Williams to your point. Fantastic in it. Yeah. Here you go. I mean, and when was this done? When? Oh gosh. 88. Oh God. So no, this is long before they ever figured out how to do that. Yeah. How do you make, how do you make a, a, a comedy with like, they, no one had really cracked the Ghostbusters formula ever again. No. You know, a lot of people forget that Ghostbusters was actually like legitimately scary here and there. Yeah. You know, like it kind of had stakes, you know, it kind of worked in that way. And people were sort of chasing that here and there, you know, and you wouldn't, you wouldn't kind of get to it until like men in black. So I assume that maybe they're trying to make that work. It's, it's, I wouldn't say it's hard so much as like, you know, you got a, you got answers or the, the, the era of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Joss Whedon before we're kind of getting it right. Yeah. Cause if you're too, if you're too acerbic and too funny, then nothing matters. Like nothing scary. So yeah, but if people are making jokes cause they're scared, that's a whole different thing. Yeah. Now it's, it's, it's not a very fine line actually. No. It really isn't. You know, and I didn't, and they'd get it for a while, but we were, we were talking about "Treat Williams." It was amazing. It may be worse than people. Folks, if you've not, if you have not watched the movie "Hair," yes, boy, ah, it's great. It's great. God. It's really, um, so different from the play where the play actually didn't really have a story. If anyone has done that, well, you probably haven't. I'm old. And the first time I saw "Hair" was a movie. And then later I saw like a theater production like, what, what the hell is this? You know, it's got, it's a little more free form. It's a little less of a narrative. Where's the movies? Yeah. A narrative. And the play I feel like was like, well, we got naked people. Yeah. What else do we need to have so that people will come to this and not think it's just naked people? Well, it, it'd be good if the music kicked, lean into the music, man. We got that. We got the good tunes. I heard that we got this giant guy, like, yeah, he calls, well, he goes by meatloaf. Well, he can't be in the play. Like, like, sorry, it's like, it's names meatloaf. See the nude guy? Like, like, is he going to get naked? Like, he didn't have to. All right. He insists. Yeah, he insists. You know. I heard he was quite good in here. Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm surprised by that in this totally off topic sort of, but that Brian DePalmas Phantom of the Paradise was never done as a stage play. No, it seems in the era of, hey, this is remotely musical. Let's make it into a show. I mean, there's, I mean, there's nothing that, I mean, honestly, nothing. Like, I, have you ever seen the movie Sing Street? Yes. Yeah. It's fantastic. It's fantastic. Kids start a band during the 80s. It's great. The music's great. And actually, the music is legitimately great. Yeah. That's you and whatnot. Period appropriate and seems not like a prestige, like, yeah. It's fun. It's great. It's really. It's like folks. I would say it's like a scoop of ice cream, but it's got, it's got like a priest pedophile vibe in there for a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Take kids out. Anyway. It's an Ireland. Ireland. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah. But, but it's so great. And I was thinking like, yeah, eventually they'll make this into a terrific musical. And before I can even say that, they did, they made it, it closed and it was terrible. It was, it was like that quick. So you're not wrong. They should make one. There's still time. Yeah. It'd be good. It'd be great. It's weird to me watching the movie of the musical based on the movie. Like hair spray, the musical, the movie, or mean, garage, the musical, the movie. Like it just, it's such a weird fun house mirror of telephone game to get this new version of the movie. Yeah. I don't get it. Well, I would say in both of those cases, hair spray, the movie's good. Yeah. You know, they, they got good people and it's like, you know, yes, Cervolta was great casting, but someone should have reeled him in. Yeah. It was like, and, and, you know, like, it's a great statement. Hey, hey, yes, right, right, you know, the ones who knew it to do it. Like, you know, hey, you know, Quentin Tarantino knew how like, yeah, like John, just take that down. Just take that way down. Like let's, you know, I'm sure he, you know, like Sam's got the big energy. You should take that down. Just like someone should have said to Cervolta for hair spray. Like, you know what? I'm thinking maybe not the Baltimore accent. Yeah. I think everything else you're doing here is great. It's great. Maybe not the Baltimore accent. Like, well, why? Um, because you've got a lot going on already. Yeah. You're, you're in drag. And by the way, you're not even playing this drag. You're doing great. Yeah. So let's just, you know, but it's one of those things. I mean, post battlefield earth, post jigsaw in the first punish or the second Punisher movie, Travolta, you know, you're going to get what you get. I still think there's, I mean, it could happen someone, someone's, someone, it could happen, you know. It's like the put, Travolta be like, you know, he'll be like the fourth guy in a movie. Like he won't even be first, second, who'll have like a large cameo, like role. And someone will like say, this is you. This is the part. Never going to go like Jesus. He was good. Yeah. It could so easily happen. Yeah. He's great. He's yeah. Wow. We're talking about John Dravolta way more than I thought about this conversation. I know. Uh, side note, when I was growing up, I, our neighbors were these really old people and they were a little bit strange. And they would occasionally give, give like me and my sister, like gifts. Like I think they ran a thrift shop and they were just sometimes be like, oh, this, you probably want this. And one time they gave me a book that was a hardcover book of John Travolta's stay in a live workout. Geez. And I still have it somewhere. It's him and like tiny shorts on the cover. It's from staying alive. The sequel to. Wow. And I don't know why these like 75 year old people were like, oh, I bet the young man next door would enjoy this book. Did you have a particular vibe? Did they think? I think that probably was it. Yeah. They were like, he likes the nerdy stuff. And like we're not judging. We're just giving him, you know, we're just giving him the book. We're trying all lot. I think he might like it. These physique magazines. Do they still sell those? So let's dive in here. Saturday night. What are you doing? Yes. Yes. We could spend the next half hour talking about the WKRP 50th anniversary special. Yes. Like, like, okay, we actually were not going to spend time in this for one. False advertising. Yep. It's like so. So for the, okay, folks, so eight p.m. on channel four, we've got the WKRP 50th anniversary special. Of course, it's not the 50th anniversary of the television show. It's the 50th anniversary of the radio station, the fictional radio station. So I actually looked this up thing like, what the hell is this? Weird. Yeah. It could have been cool, but it's a clip show with Mr. Carlson being interviewed by a reporter reminiscing about his years at the radio station. So it's a clip show about WKRP, which is supposed to then kick off the new WKRP, which I only knew about by talking to you last time. Yes. This came up. They actually like, which shocked me like they made another one. Oh, yeah. It's like, yeah, yeah. It's like a 91, like, ah, 91, 92. No, I was busy. So I rifled through it and, oh, so this could have been interesting. They could have actually done an actual anniversary show. It's a lie. It's not. It's just Mr. Carlson. It's a clip show. It's a good clip show. Yeah. It's a good overview. It was. So this was NVC. They did this a few times around this era. And speaking of SVTV, they actually did this with SCTV. So this 50th anniversary special 91. So we're talking what eight years after KRP ended. And 91 also, the summer of 91 or 90, they did an SCTV new episode. And it was Guy Caballero testifying before Congress about SCTV losing their FCC license. And then it was a clip show. And so it was really weird and they were using it to try and launch a new kind of version of it. But someone at NVC had this idea where they're like, we'll do a new clip show of an old show and use it to launch a new version. And it failed every time. I mean, maybe failed in the sense of like, this is, so this is 91. This is prime channel flipping era, right? This is when you shopped around, right? So and I think back then they were probably able to tell when you tuned in and when you tuned out. So they might have gotten a couple of butts in the seat because you'd like be flipping around because at eight o'clock we got championship ballroom dancing. So you know, there's some good counter programming going on, you know, and you know, and police academy five. Yep. Rita Moreno's hosting that ballroom dancing. Yeah. Please got to be five is the Miami Beach one. Right. Good God. I was well out of it then. I'm trying to think so Bobcat was not in that one. No, no. But you know who is in that one who make their screen debuts two very popular comedians now, carrot top and Todd Barry, my friend Todd Barry. Todd Barry's in Todd Barry's in police academy five. Yep. So he's like, so he's like 22 or something. He just started in comedy. Both him and carrot top are from Florida. They're in a scene in the airport. I edited it. I edited a little highlight reel for it of it for him, but yeah, that's their first movie. Wow. Their first movie and Michael Winslow's last movie. Yeah. That's wild. Yep. I'm just assuming he actually has made a bunch of movies in Russia. Come on. Yeah, I interviewed Michael Winslow last year as Michael Winslow and Billy West together, which was a lot. I can't believe I missed that episode. Yes. I'll send you a link. But Michael Winslow, yeah, he like police academy got so popular in like Russia and in Europe, he would get hired to do these international productions where like, I don't even think he knew what the script was or whatever, they'd have him come in and do a bunch of noises and then they'd make a big movie out of it and star in Michael Winslow. Wow. I mean, yeah. Oh God. God. I wouldn't you give money just to see a little bit of it? Yeah. Except it's going to be exactly what you're thinking is. Of course. It just makes no sense. And here he is. Like, oh my God. They're just doing, they're just doing cuts. He's in the same room. Yeah. Wow. Two days and he's in the whole movie. And I've performed with him and he has, and I was in bands, he has the biggest pedalboard I've ever seen anyone use, but he uses it only for his voice. It's pretty impressive. Hey, God bless. Yes. It's true. Right. Oh, spectacular. I noticed a movie I forgot about. It's a made for TV movie with Christian Slater in it from '85, called Twisted. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that too. And we've, we assume Christian Slater during some troubling times, yes, a disturbed adolescent Christian Slayer terrorizes his sister's babysitter. And you know, you think, wow, holy shit, again, we're going to shoot it in like a week. It's all just like, you know, on sets or in like one house or two houses and a couple of the exteriors. Everyone does the thing and goes home. So, you know, I'm guessing a 21, 22 year old Christian Slater. If that 85, he had just on tails from the dark side. Oh, God. It's 85. No. And he's okay. You know what? Yeah. For that one, I guess not. Is it a TV movie? Yeah. Yeah. It's a TV movie. So they earn it 91. This is before he went full Nicholson. Yeah. You know, he's still kind of a cute kid, like legend of Billy Jean Christian Slater, but he's playing a psycho. So I'm kind of curious to see this. Before the troubles. Yeah. It's early on. Early days for him. Before Flatliners when he didn't come back right, but very weird thing. And then I was very excited to see this in here. I don't know if you've ever seen this movie, but on HBO that night at nine o'clock, it's a world premiere movie cast a deadly spell with Fred Ward. I saw the gigantic ad for it. You and I had a very last, I mean, wonderful conversation about HBO and the machinations of HBO. So this is kind of HBO, not quite finding its feet yet. Not quite. Right. Tales from the crypt is their biggest thing. Right. This is before like, it's not TV, it's HBO, like, no, it's just HBO, so at this point. So yeah, I mean, good Lord, just looking at the, if you all can see the print down, I'm going to Los Angeles, 1948, black magic is everywhere that makes it tough for detective Harry Lovecraft. He likes to sell of crimes the old fashioned way. And then it's got an inset shot of a monster, which basically looks like a knockoff of one of the gremlins. Yeah. The ears. That's, and it's such an afterthought too. Like they were like, people won't know there's monsters. Put a monster in there. And someone says, his name's Harry Lovecraft, like, shut up, just shut up, put a monster in there. It's like, it's like, well, we got this one. That looks great. Like it really doesn't. We didn't really, not a lot of money in the special effects. We didn't design this to be photographed and blown up in a full page ad. It really wasn't, that wasn't the idea. It's got to look great doing the shape, just a circle, look like a moon. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a man in the movie monster. But this is actually pretty good. It's, yes, yes, it was a, it was a failed pilot, essentially. And so it's a full hour, a two hour movie takes place in LA in the 1940s. So it has that whole, um, LA, river system, highways thing, like the, the Hoofring Roger Rabbit kind of, uh, plot going. Yeah. And so a little bit, a little bit China town, uh, Fred Ward is the only guy who refuses to use magic. He's like a war vet, private detective, he won't use magic. Everyone uses magic in LA, uh, and it's a murder mister. It's like a classic noir and it's fun and it, it failed as a series, but they made a sequel movie on HBO. This is one of the weirdest sequels I can think of that takes place in the 50s. So they moved the action 10 years later and playing the same character that Fred Ward is, Harry Lovecraft, Dennis Hopper plays this character. No, I, I understand why you're confused because it just doesn't seem right or real. Nope. You know, um, and that Dennis Hopper would do this and, uh, well, I'm thinking, I don't know, like it's a couple of years later, it's 94, I think. Yeah. They think of 94 when they're like, who are we going to get to replace Fred Ward? And they, they, they think of nine other people then someone says, like Dennis Hopper's available. Like, yeah. Tell me. So Dennis Hopper 94, when, when was Hoosiers later? Oh no, Hoosiers was earlier. Hoosiers was like 88. Oh, well then this is, this is post blue velvet, post blue velvet pre water world. Free water world. Free water world. Okay. Good. He's pretty good. Oh, you know, does Hoppers never bad? True. Ever. He's in bad things, but, you know, man had to eat. So, you know, Mario brothers, we should say, we should say Mario brothers, everybody in Mario brothers. Yeah. Everybody there, you know, they thought they thought it would be better because why wouldn't that? Of course. Yeah. Of course. And Fred Ward, Shadda Fred Ward, Fred Ward, always amazing. Yeah. Never bad. Remo Williams himself. Fuckin' Remo Williams. Yeah. Well, it was great. Tremors. Ah, ah. Yes. Oh no. We can go on. Yeah. So if never a bad performance. It's a very interesting, it's almost feels like something Mike Magnolo would have written as a comic in the early 2000s, but very 91. It doesn't quite have the edge or quite have the, the magic, but it's no pun intended, but it's worth watching. It's actually, it was such a weird swing in 91. Yeah. Again, I bet they don't quite have the funny. I guess they don't have, we're in, we're in the zone now where people complain about it, where there's like this meta irony about people acknowledging that they're a superhero and things like that, acknowledging sort of the weirdness that they've gone too far. And yeah, maybe here and there, but I also kind of like the vibe where you sort of acknowledge like this is a little bit bad shit, you know, that it's a little bit, it's a little bit weird. You're not doing that. No. No, no, we have to do it completely. It's sort of pre irony. So you have to be very, very earnest about this and the weirdness that everybody in the entire city does magic, but me. Yeah. I'm the guy that hold that. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of taking things seriously, you know what the other dumped in a summer series is that I, that I can recall is police squad. Holy shit. Police squad was a just a, they dropped that in the summer. Yeah. Maybe six episodes, maybe seven, it was dumped in the summer. Yep. They were like, no, I was hate this. Was that why or did they think like, this is great and this is a sort of thing that they might actually watch during the summer or did they actually think it was garbage? They thought it was garbage. They dumped it. Wow. If it was 10 years later, yeah, maybe they would have been like, oh, we're going to do this in the summer because Fox actually post Northern exposure, which is not a Fox show. Northern exposure did so well partially to your point because nothing good or new was on in the summer. So in the summer of 93, Fox decided to do all their teenage shows new season in the summer because they're like, kids are home, Beverly Hills, 92, no, we do a summer series. They're at the beach, Parker Lewis season threes over the summer. Like they were like, we're going to be with the only ones and new episodes. And it sort of worked, but didn't well, it was smart enough that they know the teenagers. They don't drive. They're going to be like, you know, doing their thing during the summer. They're going to go home and they watch television at night. If we give them something to watch, they'll get in front of the TV instead of watching, you know, you know, are they going to be watching? We should talk about it. Are they going to be watching cops? Are they going to be watching cops? We should talk about cops. Yeah. Cops. I watched it every Saturday night for years. I still feel bad about it. It is in here. Yes, it is. I mean, cops, cops, I happen to know a little bit of information on it. It is one of the longest running shows ever on television. Mm hmm. It is up there with the Simpsons. Now, it has some starts and stops, including they decided to stop production when George Floyd, when Mr. Floyd was murdered by police officers, like, this is not a good time to have cops walking around with cameras and stuff. Let's just stop making the show. But they came back a whopping year later. And I think it's actually, I don't know if the new seasons are running in the United States. I believe it plays internationally. I know far too much about cops. One of the earliest reality TV programs, and the question has to be asked over and over again. For those who don't know, cops is police officers, real life police officers being followed around with the cameras, arresting people. Cops is filled on location with the men and women of law enforcement. All suspects are innocent until proven guilty and up court of law. Yeah. You know your stuff? Bravo. Bravo sir. Okay, my question is, how do they get these people to sign releases? How did that happen? I'll tell you. I would agree to be. Do tell. You have info? Yes. How did it happen? So cops was a brilliant idea that Fox had. So Fox, a Fox executive, when Fox, the network first started realized that most states had on the books a ride along law, which meant that any member of the public could request a police ride along and can go sit in a cop car and go on a shift with them because they're public servants. So they looked into it and there's nothing stopping you from bringing a camera for ride alongs. So they said, we basically have a free show. We can do this show for free because we have a right to do ride along. So that was step one. Step two. Mouth agape. Yep. If you're watching me, my mouth, my jaws on the floor. Yep. Go on. Brilliant idea. Right. Step two. And they didn't figure this out till a few seasons in, which is why the first couple seasons you see them in a lot of different cities, but then eventually they kind of whittle it down to about four cities and it's only those four cities that the rest of the episodes are in. And the reason there is in those states, if you commit a crime in public, you have no right to not sign a release. You are your faces in the public record in those states. Wow. Wow. That is, you know, here I thought the only sort of nefarious part of it was that, you know, it's cheap, it costs nothing, you know, and Fox was very, very happy about that and might have even given birth. I think during one of the writer's strikes, I get it, you know, it was one of the only new business programming out there, but wow. So how to circumvent the rights of the citizens? Yep. It's really, holy shit. Yep. Wow. Because in the early episodes, it was actually more fly on the wall and they would actually take the person from a rest all the way through processing and after. Like you would kind of get an interesting story about the system. And then literally by 91, this is when they started doing like clip shows called like Ho Ho Ho's and all Taser specials and like not even, I'm not even making those up. Those are real, they had a Christmas special called Ho Ho Ho's that was all sex workers being arrested. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you look at that. Like it's amazing. We survived as a species. One of those memes. Wow. It really is. It really is. Oh, but yeah. Drunk guys and tank tops. Yep. Yelling at all. It's just claiming. I watched a claim that I used to do it a bit about on stage, but I can't really justify it anymore. But the only place I've ever heard people claim the pants they were wearing were not their own every episode. And I was like, this has never happened. I've never heard of anyone putting on pants that are not theirs. Like maybe a shirt. Maybe even shoes, but certainly not pants. Well, what do you got here, man? It looks like that. That's not mine. Those are my pants. Looks like, looks like you had some crack. Looks like crack to me. Those are my pants. You're wearing it. I know I put them up long. I don't know. I just found them. I just found them. Yeah. Put them on. So you're walking, you were walking around without any pants and like, yeah, and I found these. Yeah. That is not mine. You can't prove that they're mine. Not my pants. Can you? It's funny because I believe anything. Like a jacket. Okay. You threw a jacket on this not yours. I don't know. Anything else. But pants. Every episode. Yeah. It's worth it. It's worth a shot. It's worth a shot. Yeah. Yeah. One of my friends, there's two Boston comics, the Walsh brothers and their brother is a cop. And in the last batch of episodes they shot in Boston, he's in, he's one of the cops they follow. Really? It's so weird. Oh, it's got to be bizarre. Oh, I love the Boston ones. There's some early Boston ones where there's one where they're in Linmass and they arrest a bookie and the bookies get in calls to put to police bets on the game. So the police chief's there and he's answering the phone and he's like, Jim, what's the over under on the Celtics skin? This guy wants to know. Okay. And he's taking bets for the bookie. It's because, you know, people got a bet. Yeah. You know, who am I? I don't want to ruin the day, you know, hey, you know, God, it's spectacular. Oh, you had me at the, they're, they're arresting a bookie. It's like, like, I want to see that. I do a really a Boston bookie. Oh, yeah. He's this old guy. No, it's, it's, it's like, you know, it's, it's different. We're laughing. Like, like, Oh, look, there's guys on drugs. Yeah. Screaming his head off, pointing to the house next door is like they're, they're coming to get me. Yeah. And, and then the great guy Crempla. And that was an actual. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was watching it with my dad. He's like, like, did he say Crempla? Yes, he did. Yes. He's like, like, as in, like, no, as in, like, it's like a Jewish dumping. Yeah. No, that's what he said. That's what he said. Great couple. It's a monster. Yeah. The monster. Although I love that cinemax that night, uh, to sort of counter program cops, uh, speaking of SCTV is showing armed and dangerous with John Candy. I saw that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect flip to 90s floating around like, I'll watch this for a little while. Yeah. It really is. Good toxic waste jokes in there. Oh, yeah. I mean, also, also up right there is that you got cat people, but you got cat people on USA. So it means the edited version, which there's no point in watching this movie because at this, at this era, I mean, actually, when it came out, came out in 82. 82. Yeah. I'm watching it as a 12 year old on whatever cable station I'm watching. I'm just waiting for the nudity. Yeah. That's all. That's why I'm there, you know, I mean, staying for the nudity and then, you know, crazy Malcolm McDowell. Yeah. So that's a flip. On USA network, you're just watching a movie about Malcolm McDowell sweating. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and then wait for the Ed Bagley scene where it gets his arm ripped off. Yeah. Decent David Bowie theme. Oh, I know cat people really, I really, this was we're in the golden era of cable doesn't have a lot to show. So they'll take when they've got something decent now, like premium cable, like all this week, presumed innocent is on HBO at least once a day, at least once a day at some point. And this was the norm. This is pre streaming. This is when you had to go to a video store to get something still. So, you know, so you would watch presumed innocent, you know, a little bit every day. Yeah. You know, it's always there. Yeah. You might. I'm looking on pay per view on Sunday night. You might even pay to watch King Ralph. You might. Yeah. King Ralph. Not bad. It's okay. Would I pay for it? Nope. No, but I would flip to it if it was there. Absolutely. I would really. I would do it. Although I'm like some of the rest of these. And I'm like big top Peewee, followed by Batman 89, followed by hardware. Yeah, hardware is kind of the weird mix there. We understand what they're doing with Peewee and Batman. Although, hardware is a comic movie. I think it's technically an heavy metal was a ripped off heavy metal. Yeah. Yeah. Slightly different vibe. Slightly different vibe. Not a kid's thing. Yes. Yes. Yes. Have we slid the Sunday? Oh, yes. I slid the Sunday. Sorry. Sorry, John, which I watched quite a bit and have no memory of anything. Very sad. Remake of a UK show. Really? Oh, the original Dear John is really sad. It's the most bittersweet dark comedy. And the remake's okay. And I think mostly because Judd Hirsch's persona really does a lot of the heavy lifting. Right. But it shows you the prime example of the difference between UK and US comedy. Yeah, that it was like they managed to make a bittersweet comedy about okay. And in this case it's, you know, they're just going for the jokes and very broad characters which we're good. I mean, does he pronounce the name Jerry Burns? Jerry Burns. Yeah. Jerry Burns is great. Jerry Burns is terrific in this. Just playing a sleaze ball. And it's Tom Willett. Yep. Tom Willett doing a nerd which doesn't, they're really, they're beyond cartoonists. Yeah. But they're also very good and kind of funny. Yeah. But I said, I wouldn't talk about Dear John, but we are. We just did. That's what happens. Sorry. We did. Yeah. Then I court, then John, John Goodman, it's hosting SNL promoting King Ralph, promoting King Ralph, promoting God damn King Ralph, probably, probably it's a repeat with faith. No more. 1991. This is pregrunge. Yeah. Faith no more doing doing the hard work pushing up against the hair metal. Yep. Playing epic. Imagine for us all post we care a lot. This is. I think so. Right. Epic era. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they had a couple, just a couple, you know, they would hung in there a little bit longer until grunge came right. Okay. Anyway, anyway, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, sir. Where did it even begin? Shall we begin with NBC's prime time cartoon spectacular? Yes. Yeah. Should we begin with that? Yes. Because there's. What is amazing about the cartoon spectacular and the full page ad they have here is that I'm a professional cartoonist for those of you who are playing it. I know I have a deep and rich history when it comes, I have knowledge of a deep and rich history of cartoons. They are promoting four cartoons that I've, I know nothing about. I'm envious of you. Oh, really? They're bad. I'm going to name them one by one, starting with the lowest, the highest as far as like Jesus. Well, start with space cats, which is what I'm sure it's cats in space. Yes. Then we've got yo yogi. Yeah. Those gang, it's it's yo comma yogi exclamation point. I see a small shot of yogis got a popped collar. His sleeves rolled up. So he's kind of an 80s yogi. I don't know what's going on here, but you know, it ain't good. It's when they, when they kidified everybody. So this was a teenage yogi in the yogi clan, but they were also hip and urban and wrapped. Oh, I might need to lay down. I imagine. Oh God. And then you got our two top shelf ones. You got wish kid, starring Michaeli Culkin, which no idea. You do? What's it about? He's got a dog and his baseball. This has the worst pitch ever. They were like, what if a kid was a make a wish kid? But he could make a wish about anything magical and he also wasn't going to die. So every, you know, every day he has a wish. So it's like a make a wish kid, but he's not. And so it became this McCauley Culkin show where he has a wish every episode that it uses to like help people or whatever, but it's, it's bad. I can only imagine. Yeah. I just, I deeply enjoy that came out of like, we want to do a show about the make a wish. So like a cartoon, something fun, like a cartoon or something fun. It's like, you know, they're all, they're all dying. Yeah. You know, this is like the, the last thing, like, no, I know, I know, I know. I know. I'm just saying. I think there might be something there. Kids love this thing. They do. I'm going to throw a name out there, McCauley Culkin. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's like, okay, it's like, I heard his people kind of like the idea. Okay. If we can get away from the dying part, I know that's sort of like, okay. Well, where's the wish and come in in that? And this is, believe it or not, the second Saturday morning cartoon on NBC in 10 years that was based on kids with cancer. What is wrong with people? Oh, man. The first one was called little clowns of happy town. You're making this. This is true. No, the guy who created this show was a, was a, he would go as a clown to the cancer ward at hospitals. And so he was like, kids love clowns and it makes the sick kids happy. So he pitched this show as a cartoon of like a whole town of clowns and they made it for one season and it is terrifying and terrible. Wow. It's amazing when you get through the door. Yes. Wow. And it's being gained through the door. Then there's this last one, I'm still thinking about the clowns. There's pro stars, which I got to say, pro stars sounds like some like, it smells like medication. It does. It, it, it means sounds like something that should come with a warning. Yeah. But gang, it's not that. It's an anime program about Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan, and Wayne Gretzky. Yep. I'm just getting that from looking at the, the ad here, you apparently can know about pro stars? Yeah. Uh, this is exactly what it looks like. Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky travel around in a van together and solve crimes. Of course. Of course. They do. Because, because why, why put any energy into any of it at all? It's. Did, did any of them do the actual voices? No. Okay. Good for them. Yeah. That's, you know, I think they did live action raparounds. There you go. They clearly all shot in one day, you know, um, hey, somebody somewhere said, you know, in the Beatles yellow submarine, they don't actually do the voices, but they did like, they did a couple of ins and outs. We can do that. People won't know. Okay. People won't know. It's the rock and wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. There it to do everyone's voice. That'd be fine. Well, I'll win. Everyone's good. Yeah. Awful years. None of those shows lasted more than one season. Um, this was the tail end of Saturday mornings. Yeah. No, this is, this is 91. So we're just getting towards the death of Saturday morning television and they'll have to figure out some way to sell cereal to children. They're not quite. Yeah. Although, uh, the Disney had kind of figured it out with the afternoons during the weekdays with their Disney afternoon. And this was the season they debuted dark wing duck. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. No, it made a shift. It did. It made an animation shift and this is a little bit before Cartoon Network, but Nickelodeon took off and from reruns they could show Looney Tunes in the afternoons. It was always good in the afternoons. So yeah, there was money to be made there. Believe me, I know. But here we were pro stars. So you're not going to pitch a pro stars reboot. Uh, no. No, but if I come up with some kind of foot ointment that you're not supposed to use while operating every machine. We do not take pro stars. Call a doctor. Yeah. Hey, give you not on the next page. There's an ad for something called Pronto. Lice treatment. That's right. Pronto is not far off from pro. It really is. Hey. It's you were like, no, like treatment. Your kid has lice. Here's a coupon for dollar off pro stars. Yep. Yeah. Serious. Wow. Hey, in this case, like Gretzky, Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan, we're going to go to a room for three hours and do the wrap rounds and take some money and go home. Yep. Good for them. They learned how to do it with Mr. T and the T force. Yeah. So that one, I know that one is like, Oh, but he did the voice. He did the voice. He did the voice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, you can't tap. Phil Lamar has some amazing stories about that because he was a high school kid doing the voice on that and, Oh, yeah, I have to, I know Phil a little bit, Phil and I are buddies at some point. I keep forgetting. Like I want, I want all the Mr. T stories to go. You got to get them. Like, no, we're not going to talk about anything else. We're not going to catch up. I don't. I'm not going to tell you about my children. You're not going to make yours. I just, just want to know. Simply give me all the Mr. T stories. Yeah. That'll happen. Yes. You, that'll be a great day. So you're watching that. So okay. So Sunday, so we got evening shade, which is, again, it's another show that I watched, not like Dear John, and I remember enjoying quite a bit probably, you know, it had a quality to it. Again, I'm, yeah, dark time for television, not, not great. Like, you know, the best thing out of that was Michael Jeter. Yes. And maybe the fact that, you know, Bert Reynolds had yet another comeback and blew it by cheating on Lonnie Anderson, like you just, dude, everyone welcome to your back. You want a goddamn Emmy. I mean, you just, you know, you could just row, you rode this out forever, you know, and then he had a, you know, third swing at that with Bookie. Nice. He managed to blow that too. Yeah. Anyway, watch some evening shade. And then I'd probably have to flip around a little bit because we had, we had two good movies on that evening. There's Golden Pond on Golden Pond and Charlie shot in Boston, shot in Boston, like it's good movie. Still holds up. Yep. It's holds up. 1968. Well, not exactly. Uppers. No, God, no. No, no, no. One. Charlie. Yeah. '68. But yeah, I think I would have flipped back and forth, you know, between those two until I found that, that presumed innocent is on, you know, it's on HBO yet again this night. And you know, I'm going to watch that because I wasn't watching at 930 and you know what I'm going to say, right? Yeah. The premier, premier episode of Herman's head. Yeah. I was not watching Herman's head. It wasn't bad. That's what I hear. Three seasons. Yeah. That's interesting. People and kind of experimental, making an effort, trying to do something different. And everyone tells me like, you know, if you watch it, it's actually pretty good. Yeah. And you think like, can't possibly be. It's most of the Simpsons cast and it's basically that movie inside that Disney movie. Yeah. It's, it is inside out for grownups, done as a series. And my understanding is, I got to check it out because apparently it has a vibe. Yeah. Yes. Right here. Here we are. Yes. This week it premiered and, and changed the world forever. And this was Fox who, again, they premiered their new season a week before everyone else. So this was there taking a swing because it's the, it's the season premiere of Maribor Children that night, which is this season's real bomb out because they, Katie Siegel was pregnant in real life. So they wrote it into the show and she ended up losing the baby. And so they had to just drop it. Oh my God. And they just dropped it and like never spoke of it. Oh wow. I'm not going to be able to shake that one off for a little. That's rough. Oh, that is some shit. Yeah. I mean, to pay off the look it up, I guess it begs the question how far along was she? I guess she was showing. Yeah. Because they made a big deal out of it because, you know, infamously on TV shows, there were so many actors on TV shows who were pregnant and they would all be like, why is that character always holding a beach ball or like, uh, she's got a fruit basket. And so they made a thing out of like, we're not going to hide it. She were having it in the show. And it was like, Oh no. It's in an ad. Yeah, it is. And an ad. Peg's got another announcement to make. There's another Bundy in the oven and it's, it's a lot less funny now. It's rough. Do you know, do you know on Golden Pawn's connection to television? Uh, no. So New Heart, New Heart, the 1982 eighties Bob Newhart show, the opening credits of that, which, uh, it's set in Vermont. There's all sort of b-roll of Vermont. That's all leftover footage from on Golden Pawn shot in New Hampshire. That's great. Oh God. I love those stories. I love those stories. Oh, it's like, it's like Spielberg catching an episode of the incredible Hulk and finding footage from the duel. Yeah. Like, like, that's, that's, that's in duel. Like what the, what the hell is that? And then calling out and saying, don't do that anymore. It's like, well, it's in your contract. And later after that, Steven Spielberg learning, like, I got to put in my contract that they can't use my footage for television shows. Uh, you just got a love of that cobble, that crap together. Yep. Uh, that's fun. Yeah. Another reason to like New Heart. Oh yeah. Another reason to like New Heart. Oh, it's great. It's great. Yeah. So I would recommend Herman said worth checking out. It's, it's, I, well, it's decent. Yeah. Okay. I'm curious. Never seen it. And also I want to be surprised. Probably Smith like. Yeah. I mean, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a solid cast. Like everybody. So, okay. All right. So yes. Ran three seasons. Yep. Made a little bit of a go of it. Yep. Didn't quite get, didn't quite get to 100 episodes. No. Um, so, and you know, when sin, this is when syndication still matter. Yep. Well, you got to look, do is look at TV guide. Few Fox shows that that you're a made it into syndication. Yeah. I would think you, well, they were, they were, they were trying shit. Well, they did. We're changing television. I mean, babes. Right. Well, hey, they also, I, what year did they, because it's in here, that they moved the Simpsons off its sweet spot on Sunday. They moved it to go up against the Cosby's here. Yep. 1990. That's, it was, it was the, because Simpsons was a mid-season show. It kicked off with the Christmas special. Right. So the beginning of the second season, I believe that's when they were like, we're taking on Cosby. Yeah. And it didn't work really. I mean, people still watched, I guess it was counter program, you know, the people, you know, but Cosby is still the biggest thing in the whole wide world for, like, you know, it stayed at number one, right up until just like the very end. Yeah. They didn't have to end that show. They chose to end that show. They chose to. Yeah. Yeah. Now, like all the kids are grown up, moved out and like, you know, it's like, I, we got some more kids in here. We're fine. We'll keep going. Yep. But he, let's make the dark jokes while we, he had enough money and apparently had other interests. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Cosby. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, just you. An actual monster. When Leonard part six isn't the worst thing you've done, you've done some terrible things to people. Oh, God. Yes. Oh, just an actual monster who, it cuts me to the core. Yeah. That was a huge Bill Cosby thing. Same. So all I can. Oh, yeah. His stand up was a huge influence. Like, yeah, it's, yeah. And I feel bad for that cast. Like amazing ensemble cat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, we're not going to do this. No. Monday. Monday. Monday. We're falling deep in the territory of again, like shows that I watched and you know, so, so we did evening shade. I watched major dad and I remember liking it quite a bit. Yeah. Like, I remember him being kind of solid and kind of funny. And if you put a gun to my head, it could not tell you one episode gun to my head. And I remember watching it a bunch because it was probably what was on, you know, it's there. And it was pretty funny. Yeah. It was like, oh, yeah. You know what? I like his third act too. Right. He's doing great shit. Yeah. Right. Mr. Delta Burke. Ah, right. He was Mr. Delta Burke for a long time. And, you know, and he was great on Deadwood. He was. Oh, yeah. But like built for that too. Like, you see what I'm like, of course you have Gerald McRaney. Why wasn't he doing this? Didn't realize how perfect you were until you were doing it and played it's, ah, he's great. You know, even like, you know, leaves. This is us. He can't occur. Oh, yeah. Small part. Just I like, I like me some Gerald McRaney still working for me, you know. And here he was funny. He was like really, really funny, you know, almost made me want to go back and watch Simon and Simon. But I assume I shouldn't. Right? I, I've not gone that far. Yeah. Simon and Simon, because I've tried to go back and watch Magnum and that's unwatchable. And to me, Simon and Simon is a network executive going. Go with me on this. Magnum. There's two of them. One of them's a little nerdy. I love it. Let's do it. Yeah. I'm not even done yet. No, it works for me. One of them is a cowboy. Good. Perfect. One of them kind of wears a suit like a yuppy. Great. Let's do it. We'll get that. Okay. We'll get that Duke's a hazard audience. We'll get that Miami vice crowd. Perfect. Why are we sitting here? Why are you still sitting in my office? Give me a point. Make a show. Right now. Go make this show. Go. Go. Go. It'd be great if it had two names. Yeah. Sorry. Two names because you didn't want to get away from the Magnum thing. No. No. No. No. You're not listening to me. Just go. Come back when you think of something. Simon says no. But better. Oh. Like that. You're getting there. You are getting there. Let me. I have other shows to talk about now. Okay. So who can redo the 18? Come here. Everyone in my office. Get canal on the phone. Okay. Two of the worst things. I remember they pumped all this money into a show called The Adventures of Mark and Brian. Do you recall this show? No. Okay. Yes. Yes, I do in the sense that I remember it existed. And then when I looked at this TV guy that we're looking at, it's like, Oh, right. Mark and Brian had a TV show. What a weird time we lived in. Yeah. That they managed to get it to you like Howard Stern's got a TV show. Why can't we get a TV show? We're nice. We both have mullets. Yes. We're not exactly bad looking. We're tan. We're kind of California. Can we, can we like go on adventures? It's like, and this is pre reality television. Yeah. So they would just, you know, it's, it's, I'm trying to think if there was anything to compare it to where we just like go do things. Like we're, you know, which is what they do. We'll go on and on. We'll go. Yeah. This one they perform with the temptations and they go. Yeah. It's like, yeah. It was almost like, it was almost like you, you bet your lot, not you bet your life. Like you asked for it, but they would do, you know, somewhere between you asked for it and real people that was stupid. Yes. We're, instead of actually finding real people, we're going to go do the things with the real people and it'll be funny. Yeah. Except it isn't. And I assume one season, right? Not even, right? Not even. No. They pumped tons of money in and it was canceled by Christmas. Oh. Well, you know, it's nice. That's good. Yeah. It gives you hope for the culture that people were like, not that into it because it's. Oh, God. Yeah. Morning zoo, like classic morning zoo radio DJs, like, like someone who was like, it's almost like the Magnum Simon and Simon, they're like, look, I got two Rick D's here. And they're younger. There they go. And like, okay. And they both got, they both got kind of interesting hair. Yeah. What do you mean by interesting? Like they kind of look stupid. Okay. I can do that. Well, man had a woman's haircut, but it's really badly done. Ooh. Ooh. I'm with you. I'm like it. Have this sounds. Okay. Keep talking. Keep talking. Then there's a didn't Matt. Did Matt Cal ever get a TV show? He did. He had a talk show. Of course he did. But he tried to do like a rush Limbaugh type show like it was more like that. Yeah. But that guy was angling for TV shows forever is on every talk show. He'd show up on anything that like just desperate for a show. He's a terrible person. Oh. Because I assume I've, I've, I was on a show like by a satellite one time and that was unpleasant and never heard anything nice ever, ever single time. The less ever better. That radio kind of guy like, well, let me tell you, let me tell you something. I love Alan Stern and here you ever see that girl's movies like you're like, what? That's, that is shockingly like so well done. Yeah. That's right on point. That's a very, very good impression. Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, what's missing is the gruff guy voice who does that and that some girl laughing and then you have the whole morning radio show. Yeah. Oh, painful. Oh, yeah. Glad that he or is over. Mostly. Yes. Okay. Okay. So Monday night is, is, is when Northern exposure was up, which a repeat of a seminal episode where Maggie's a boyfriend dies. Yes. She, her boyfriend's always died. And I'm forgetting you probably know, what was the name of the actor who played her boyfriend? My handsome. Grand Goodby. Grand Good Eve. Yeah. Yeah. So he played her. I mean, it was perfect casting because he's like, you know, he is the embodiment of like a man's man. Yeah. Like 1990. You know, he was perfect and, and then he died. I believe he was hit by a satellite. Yep. If I remember. Falling satellite. Yeah. Yeah. Phenomenal. Oh, great show. And obviously Maurice has to talk about it because he's an ex astronaut. Yeah. It's just, you know, there's so many. Oh, God. I get everything about the show I love. It's great. Oh, a couple of things I need to share. So you know that, so Marilyn, who doesn't speak, you know, that she was accidentally cast in the show? You heard the story? No, no. Oh, I get to tell you. Oh, wonderful. This is, this is a, this is a old school Hollywood story with a twist. So Marilyn's mother was the actor. She went into audition and they, they, they met her daughter, like literally, like she came with her. They did the thing. They did the thing. It only happens like an old Hollywood. Well, they said, would your daughter be interested in reading for this too? And apparently her vibe was more interesting than her mother's vibe. Her mother does show up, I believe, playing her mother at one point. But there she was and she, apparently she was someone just like didn't speak better. And it's weird to have like a younger woman be like the, you know, the, like the office manager at your, you know, your medical practice. So it makes sense they would have shot to cast for like an older woman. Yeah, kind of, it kind of fits the vibe. But apparently, apparently this Marilyn worked better, her, her, her given name is, I'm looking up. So Elaine Miles. Yes. Elaine Miles. Who was great? So funny. Oh yeah, I mean, they, that is like, this is great. It's great storytelling. Okay. Because she doesn't, she doesn't do much acting. She's incredibly subtle. It's just her persona. She does a little tiny bit and they write the shit up. They have all these things happen around her and to her and through her, which are just amazing. You know, I've, in speaking to actual indigenous people who have gotten to know a little bit and fun point, I said, okay, does anyone here know the show, nor the exposure? Can I talk to you about it? And most of you I met are too young, but they'll say like, my parents watched it and liked it. It's like, so it was okay. It's like, yeah, no, no, it was good. Actually, they actually say it was good. They weren't treated shitty. They're treated like real people. There's honest to goodness characters. Now, you know, Marilyn's actually indigenous. The actor played Ed is not so his father, Aaron Burrows is a, is a billy billy. And I'm like, Drago, billy, Drago. It's billy, Drago son. Oh, my God. I forgot about that. I totally forgot about that. I'm trying to look here. Yes. God. Yeah. How fascinating is that? He's actually a blonde. Yeah. You know, he had to die. He had black for five years. We're working on the show. But, but by the way, Ed's great. Yeah. Ed's one of the greatest characters. Weird, weird character. Oh, and just this, the little twist that gave him is that like, he's kind of weird talks in that way and has an encyclopedic knowledge of film. And it's a weird thing to have and it was so fun, you know, and it made for great time. In a pre-internet age too, for like, cause it was more impressive for guy like that. It was in the middle of nowhere to have that encyclopedic knowledge. Like, you're like, that guy really would have to work for that, you know? Right. Oh, like throws things out. Like, you know, it was like, no, it was like, it was actually, it was, it was, it was done as an offshoot of the, of the searchers. Yeah. And then in 1951, and like, no such director, like, just, just not showing off. It just comes up in conversation. Do you know those Rob Morrow, uh, someone came along with him for casting, casting story? Weirdly? No. Rob Morrow. No. Rob Morrow. These guys couldn't help themselves. Yep. Keep looking into the waiting room. Go on. Yes. Rob Morrow goes in to read for a movie. He didn't have a car at the time. So his roommate in LA drove him there. His roommate got the part. The movie was Nightward on Elm Street, his roommate Johnny Depp, who was not an actor. Oh, my God. My, my, oh my God, is like, how did I not know this? This, I'm never going to not tell people, just I'm, there's no one for the rest of my life that I'm not going to try and worm this into conversation. That's amazing. I had no idea. Yeah. And I thought I knew things. And then they started that hot resort movie after that. It was a hot resort. Yeah. Private resort. Yeah. It's so bad. That was horrendous. Johnny Depp throwing Rob Morrow a bone. That's amazing. Oh my God. No idea. But again, hilarious. Yeah. I mean, at the same time, you sort of understand like Rob Morrow comes in here, Rob Morrow. Great actor, good looking guy, but someone like lean their head and like, did you see his friend? Yeah. And also, he's sitting out here. He does not have like a Midwest high school kid vibe. Not at all. Not even a little bit. No. I mean, he completely looks like Joel Fleish. Yeah. It was a perfect marriage of actor and part. Yeah. You know, and later with everything else he did, perfect marriage of actor and part, which is like his buddy is like, you know, it's like we're out here like and there isn't anybody in this room who doesn't want to have sex with this kid. Yeah. Is that really? It's like, just look at him. It's like, what's he doing? He's cleaning his nails with a knife. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, you know, it's like, nope. Nope. No. I asked him like you're an actor and he just like kept, kept laughing at me and like not even make an eye contact. You don't have to play in bands. I just drove. You're in the movie. Just get him in here. Like, just tell him how much money it is. Yeah. I'm where I must have been so pissed. I've just... Oh, can you imagine? I mean, yeah. No. Because you know, dope. We said like one of those goddamn Hollywood stories happened to me. Yeah. I could have taken the bus. If I took the bus. Jeff, I took the bus. No, man. It wouldn't have been you anyway. No. It never would have been. No, no, no. Yeah. The Edwards would have got that part. We've been acting afterwards. Yeah, they got him. That's an actor. Yeah. He had some hair and motherfucker looked pretty midwest back then. It would have been perfect. Have you ever seen Miracle Mile? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. So good Anthony Edwards. Oh, he's... There's nothing he's not great in. In comic book connections, you know who did the storyboards for Miracle Mile? No. Paul Chadwick. No. Shut the fuck up. Paul Chadwick did. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. That's amazing. For people who haven't ever read Paul Chadwick's Concrete, it's like, it's one of the best comics ever. It's basically the thing if he lived in a world where no one else was a superhero and is just trying to live his life. But yeah, Steve Desjarnet got Paul Chadwick into doing storyboards. So that was like one of the first movie he did storyboards for. Paul Chadwick, I worked with him. I did a Star Wars story with Paul Chadwick, illustrated it. It was a very short conversation when I was talking to Dark Horse comics and they asked me like, so the artists were thinking about Paul Chadwick. I said, yeah, for what? For the story. What story? This story. Like, my Star Wars story? It's like, yeah. Do you think Paul Chadwick would like, you know, would he be good for it? Like, Paul Chadwick wants to do this. Yes. Do you have something on him? It's like what's like, it's like, yeah, it's like, and by the way, it's a story I'm still incredibly proud of, like, and Paul fucking Chadwick drew it. Yeah. Amazing. So weird. So my Miracle Mile, Paul Chadwick. Yep. Incredible. Which is, that movie is so well shot and you can tell it was storyboarded. It's so great. Yeah. All right. Before we leave, before we leave, no other exposure, two less, no other exposure things. Yep. One, if I play a clip on my computer, can we pick it up? Yeah, probably. We'll pick up on audio. Yeah, sure. Okay. So if I can set the scene, a recurring character was, was Graham Green. Green plays a recurring character as a, as a medicine man. And there's an episode called Rosebud, which has a, Peter Bogdanovich is in. Yep. The, the A story if it, if you can call it the A story is that Ed's trying to put together like a Sundance like film festival. And he's not really putting the time in and Maurice is getting pissed. And that he even brings Peter Bogdanovich in, who's going to be like a guest lecturer to talk about, you know, Orson Welles and shit. And he has dinner with Maurice and it's hilarious. Bogdanovich is a, is a vegetarian. So nothing that Maurice is cooking to eat. And, and at one point, Maurice gets mad. He says like, you know, Ed, like what the hell is this? He said, you're supposed to be doing, you're supposed to be doing a film festival and getting some like new films in here and you got this old director talking about, talking about Orson Welles and eating my tomatoes and just fucking kills him. Okay. But, but, but. So the B story is Graham Green who plays Leonard, he's a medicine man and he's going through town. And he explains in this clip, I'm going to show and he's going through town. He wants to find the modern myths that white people that they sort of use as inspiration through their lives. And okay, I'm going to try and play it now. Let's see if this works. Hello Leonard. You're all in business or pleasure? Well, I suppose you'd call it business research cross referencing. I have clients in the white community where people are starting to assimilate. The more I know about white culture, its mythology, its medicine, so on, the more I can expand my practice. I thought I'd start with the stories. What stories? You know, the healing stories. I'm afraid I'm not with you Leonard. Oh. Traditionally. Healers such as myself found that storytelling is great, curative powers. People are fortified by parables, legends you might call them, in art culture. The theme is frequently some act of faith or perseverance. I'm looking for parallel stories in white culture, expressions of collective unconscious. You mean folk stories like Paul Bunyan? I know about him, a mythic logger, right? What exactly was his story? Well, he was this ten foot tall logger who had an ox. I thought that was any more. Let me ask you, how does this character's story impact on your life? Are you aware of his influence in your daily activities? I have gone for years without ever even thinking about him. Interesting. Okay, the line of theirs, Holly Vincor, when he asked him, "How has Paul Bunyan affected your day-to-day life?" He thinks, "I have gone years without even thinking about him." I must think about this once a week. And it has become a household expression among me and my wife to describe how one might be underwhelmed by something and how insignificant this possibly is. I have gone years without even thinking about him. And again, there's many things I think about in one of these pictures. This literally is my go-to, how I possibly describe it. Oh my God. It means nothing to me. It's perfect. It's perfect. Yeah, it's Paul Bunyan. It's Paul Bunyan. And how does this affect your day-to-day life? And Holly, if you've got to watch the clip, folks, go find it. He thinks on it. They say, "I have gone years without even thinking about him." It's like, "Ah, I love it so much." Holly Vincor. It's such a good character. Oh. An old man married to a much younger woman, but not ever presented as a creep. No. You know, I never presented also as like, "Yeah, you go, man. You got it." Like, it's just a super matter of fact. And like, they have a good relationship. Like, I've never seen a character like that on another show. No. They said, "I watched it recently and it still manages to work. It doesn't seem." I mean, he's so much older than her, but he's a gentleman. And there's something to that. I mean, that's the thing. I think they understood. Like, he's always going to be a gentleman. He loves her. She kind of talks about their sex life way more than him. And he, you know, and it just works and it shouldn't. And also he's, you know, he's strong as hell. There's like that aspect to him like, you know, he can kill you, but he doesn't do that anymore. He doesn't hunt anymore and he doesn't beat people up anymore. He's done. Right. Gave it up for her. It's great. He would be the main character in any other show where he's like an action hero who's trying to retire and have a nice, quiet life and, you know, ends up having to 18 his way out of stuff. Like, that's who, that's who they would build that show around on any other kind of take on that. Yes. And in this case, he gets an entire, you know, B story in an episode where his much younger wife redecorates their bedroom all in pink and kittens and stuff. Yes. And it is so feminine. He can't shit. Yes. That's the plot. You see, he has not taken a shit since she did this. I'll bend that. Oh, ah. Well, Rob Moore asked him like, well, you know, we all miss a day or two and he goes, I haven't. It's like, I'm sorry. I haven't. It's like, you have, I'm sorry, howling. You have not gone a day without a bowel movement ever. Until now. And it only ends with him saying like, what are you going to do? He's like, I, I, I, you got to tell her. You got to tell her. This is unhealthy. No, I'm going to acclimate. He's just going to sit in the room and get used to it because he wants to make her happy. Yeah. He wants to make her happy. Again, just chef kiss. It works every time. Yeah. It's the best show. Last northern exposure note. Yes. Last final last thing. Yes. I was cast on the real world and I found out later, they thought I was going to be a Joel Fleischman type. I was told and they thought I was going to be, you know, Jewish, kind of obnoxious, kind of, kind of like, like sort of sand in the vaseline. They thought that was going to be my vibe. It turns out that was not my vibe, but, you know, it's, so I held a special place for Joel Fleisch in my heart because they thought that was me and it turns out not me. You, you've never met Rob Morrow, I presume. I have not. I have not. We have to make that happen. Tell him that. I don't, I have a sense he might not appreciate that. I don't know. Maybe. He might have. He might have mellowed, right? I mean, dude. I think he's mellowed. He does a lot of music and stuff now. Yeah. I've talked to him about doing the show and he's been alternatively nice and into it. And sometimes aloof as I would expect, but like less though than I would think. Yeah. I mean, he's, you know, he, he made his money right here and there, you know, numbers was on for quite a while. And if you're not stupid, um, those of you should know if you do a television show for any length of time and it's on television and you're not stupid about your money, which is I'm going to buy a plane and polo ponies. That would be the stupid thing. No, you buy a house. You can even buy two. Yep. Just you got to be smart. You can just, you know, you can then be Rob Morrow and just do music and, and apparently not come on Ken's podcast. That's right. Yeah. You know, a lot of people are like that. Probably earlier in this issue, because this is a Boston edition, there's an ad for a local show called Hershey's Hollywood that was hosted by this guy, Dana Hershey, who was a big guy on the radio, did voice like this and he hosted the movie loft on TV 38. And he refused to come on my show and John Hodgman, the great John Hodgman, got so mad about it, that he wrote him a really angry email, did Dana Hershey not coming on the channel? Hodgman came to your defense. Yeah. Hodgman was incensed. What a bench. Oh, it was fantastic. You're always sitting here today waking up thinking I couldn't like John Hodgman any more than he do. Oh, he's the best. And now I do. Yeah. It's the best. How dare you, Dana Hershey? Oh, Tuesday. On Tuesday. On Tuesday. We can blow. We can blow through some of this. Let's do it. Yeah. Oh, we got Rosanne. Eight o'clock. I got nothing. Eight o'clock. I got. We'll be getting in front of me. I think eight o'clock's a whole lot of goose. Rescue 911. Shatner. The funniest Sean television. Oh, you make a very good point. You do bad reenactments of real 911 calls hosted by a deadly serious William Shatner comedy gold. I would say that I appreciate its existence. I cannot say that I ever watched one. Not one. There's a Christmas special I highly recommend. There's a Christmas special for us, you 911. Yes. So much like cops, 911 calls in most states are public domain. So they were like, we got free writers. We just have the real call and then we have people reenact it. And you knew nothing bad would happen because they never played ones where people died or anything like that. Right. So it was always a rescue. So you can laugh. But there's a Christmas one. It's all Christmas things. My favorite thing is this woman's stuck in traffic. Her kid starts choking in the backseat. She calls 911 and then she goes, wait a minute, Santa, Santa Claus is here. He's given us something to happen in the new for. So some guy was dressed as Santa going somewhere and he got out of his car and he saved this kid and then just took off and then never saw him again. Oh, well, like, like, like, as any Santa should, as any Santa should, oh, it's amazing. Yeah. I will have to find the Christmas special again, not a single time. It would be eight o'clock and I would have to be flipping around and I'm probably watching Melvin and Howard on broadcast television. Good call. Just a bit. It's, it's, Melvin, how are I found to be like, real good, not quite great. Real good. It has guys qualities to it. But I'm not watching Nova. I'm not watching Matlock. Not watching Full House. No, but risky. I want one of the Christmas special. I'm in. I'm in. After that, we have Pride and Full House now being a San Francisco. Hey, you know, the fucked up part. You joke about that on the, on the opening episode. I have regrets a little bit, um, literally, like, I, I'm driving. I'm being filmed. I'm on the real world. Yeah. And they're driving us into San Francisco. And I joke like, yeah, I feel like I should be, you should be singing the Full House theme. And then we start singing it a little bit and it's in the show. You know, me who's like never seen an episode by note, but, you know, I'm just muttering to myself. Everywhere you go. You know, and they're filming us in and, you know, and then they come in with like excellent grunge music. But of course. Yeah. So yes, yes, I do. I have a little bit of emotional connection to Full House because in a way it lives with me forever. I will admit. I did go to the house the last time I was in San Francisco and I had my picture taken out front. Yeah. Well, sure, you know, it's because it, because it's, it has a different history now, you know, because they've all kind of grown past that and we've, and we've lost people that we love from who were on the show and like, it's different. Yep. It's different. And Saggot was alive at the time and I did text him the picture and I wouldn't answer the door. And did he text back like, Oh, that's so fucking funny. I've never had fucking had people make that joke to me. Yeah. Can't. God. That's, hang on. I gotta, I gotta pull myself off the floor. So I need to call 911, I've injured myself laughing. Oh, okay, Tuesday night. So we're going through some fun here. So Roseanne and look, Roseanne was great. Great. So great. It was a great show, you know, and watching reruns like God, this is still great. We've lost her. She's left us. Yep. You know, she's, she lives in crazy town, even more so than before. Yeah. I mean, she was always, you know, really are, you know, just a ruler of crazy town. And now, forget it. Um, yeah, then sliding into coach, um, which again is another show, which I watched quite a bit, you know, uh, especially, uh, uh, Van Dyke, what is, uh, Jerry Van Dyke from my mother, the car. Jerry Van Dyke. Yeah. Oh God. Jerry Van Dyke was funny. He was funny in coach. Tom Posten had a reoccurring part, which I always asked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. It's like, it had a quality. And you know, and I assume Craig G Nelson made, made it, made a bit of coin because, you know, the, you know, the modern family story, right? They turned down. Do you know this? No. Oh, good. I get to tell Ken something. So modern family, modern family ran for 10 years, one of the biggest television shows ever, right? Uh, Craig T Nelson was offered the Edo Neil part before Edo Neil. Oh, we got rights. Oh, he wanted more money. They said no. And they went to Edo Neil, who then said, well, I've got lots of money, but this seems like fun. I'll do that. Um, so he got to do modern families. No, I have lots of lots of money. Lots and lots of all the money in the whole wide world. I mean, can you, can you possibly imagine? Oh, I mean, just, I mean, thinking about modern family actually thinking about the casting, it makes a little more sense. Craig T Nelson fits a little better with, with Sophia Faraga than, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I sort of buy, I buy like the handsome older dude vibe from Craig T Nelson. Yes. But, you know, but as far as I don't know, has schlub power. But Craig T Nelson, I'm like, I'm picturing Craig T Nelson from Action Jackson, having met her that year, you know, oh, yeah, no, no, no, he's got, he's old, but he's got some height. He's got some shoulders. You can buy it. You can buy it. Yeah. Why he could get it with Edo Neil. I might, my children love the show. We watch it endlessly. I'm mostly watching. He's like, yeah, yeah. No, I don't. It's that now, you know, but Edo Neil's like, you know, comic giant. He's so funny. He's just really. But a totally different energy. Yeah. You know, we're all Dutch. Everybody says this. And it's true. Literally, that's just good. Dutch is good. Dutch is good. I'm not saying run out and get it. I'm saying, if it's on, watch it. Yeah. Okay. Dutch has got piece of funny. Yes. Funny. All right. We're running short on time and I do not want to miss out. We need to slide into on Wednesday. There's an ad. There's there's a double shot ad here. One is for a big brother, Jake. Yes. Body body. But can we talk about body by Jake? Body by Jake. Winfield. Yeah. I mean, this is like one of the early branding guys who is able to turn it into a thing. You know, you know, with respect, Jake, not an actor. Nope. You never were. No. Nope. He was a long island guy. I think he was a personal trainer for a bunch of celebrities and managed to convince them to get him in stuff. And then this stuff he was in, perfectly passable, perfectly fine. But here he is in a show called Big Brother Jake on the family channel, whatever the hell this is. And you know, you know, please do tell, do tell it was Jake has takes over an orphanage. I forget why, but he's a bodybuilder who has to quit to run this orphanage. So he's Tim and like eight precocious kids. Good God. Oh. Oh, okay. So it's yeah. So it's a nightmare. It's awful. As you possibly met. I suit one season. Did they get that? Three seasons. But that was because the family channel didn't have a lot of original programming. Yeah. Right. You know, and Jake's not expensive. No. You know, and I'm sure the show is a sitcom. So cost $10. Oh, yeah. Multi-cam. Yeah. Very cheap. Okay. And I'm sure Jake did fine. You know, can't just money. I think he went back to personal training after a while. Okay. All right, maybe maybe he maybe bought himself a couple of polo ponies. Yep. Don't do it. Like there's a mistake. Yep. Speaking of mistakes, there's an ad here. There's an ad here for a Sonia Braga movie called The Last Prostitute. Yep. And it's doing the graduate kind of thing. Is that what this is? Well, no, you know what this is? There was a movie that came out this year that had almost the same exact poster and it was Paul Newman. And I think it was called Blaze. Yeah. Right. And it was this poster. Okay. Basically. Okay. All right. I mean, they're doing the graduate as far as the folks in the ad. We're looking at a pair of women's legs. Yep. And then a picture of like bad headshots of her and the two young boys, one of whose Will Wheaton. Yes. Will Wheaton is one of these boys. And the tag line here is they came for a lesson in love. They got a lesson in life. Which one almost wants the question? Hey. It goes to a lady of the evening. Are they looking for a lesson in love? Is that what this is? Oh, so the last prostitute. Why is she the last one? I have no idea. No idea. This is the description here. It's made for cable. Lifetime. TV Guide only gives it one star. No shock. Okay. Two teens try to become men by doing business with quote the world's greatest hooker. There's so many wrong things in all those sentences. There's just so. Oh, my goodness. Oh, and then did you see the USA world premiere movie on at the same time? No, well, they got what they got. It's called the lightning field and it stars Nancy McKeean and it's clearly a rip off of the movie the seventh sign with Demi Moore that had come out that year and it says their force has no limits. Their power can kill and they need Martha's baby. So it's like evil Drew and Polly Bergen. Yes. Oh, yeah. The font is reminiscent of like Percy Jackson. If you want to get the vibe people, if you want to get the vibe and she's in the foreground you're laying on her back with her big old belly of the air. It's just wow. But they give it two stars. They're saying it's twice as good as the last prostitute. Well, you know, you get an extra star just because you're about childbirth rather than, you know, the greatest hooker in the world. That's true. But it's a South American Indian cult who want the child for a human sacrifice. Okay. God almighty. Wow. And yeah, and they do look like druids. It makes no sense. Nothing makes sense. Oh, again, like, so, hey, Nancy, you want to come, we're going to shoot it. We're going to shoot it in New Mexico. Okay. And we'll put you up for 10 days. Sounds good. I'm in. Okay. You like margaritas? I do. I like margaritas quite a bit. Well, come on to this movie. Come on to the town. What's it called? Um, we're working on that lighting field or not, not Rosemary's baby, you know, along those lines. Something in that ballpark. Something in that ballpark. Quits a codal, you know, something as tech. Okay, sir. Lightning round. Lightning round. Go on. So Wednesday, uh, so, uh, we'll quickly, I must quickly say them. So, um, dinosaurs, wonder yours, dookie-houser, quantum leap. This is actually a good evening. Yeah. Different shit going on here, but it's a good evening. I'd like to say dinosaurs is actually, it's, it actually holds up in a lot of ways. It's 100%. It's, it's, it's good. It's edgier than, you know, subversive, funny, one of the darkest endings ever in television. Um, I, I almost don't want to spoil it for people. You don't know the darkest ending ever in television. Go just to YouTube and just Google dinosaurs, final episode. They'll show you the last five minutes. I don't want to spoil it. Stewart Pankin, who did The Voice of Earl, I've had on the show and he shared with me, we went to his house. He shared with me letters they received of people complaining about the final episode. How dark and horrible it was. Oh, yes. Yep. Well, I'll ruin it for you all. The, the meat, the meteor hits, they talk about the meteor about to hit. The dinosaurs are all going to die. I mean, it makes like the end is saying else where it looked like nothing. Yeah. The last line is the baby going, daddy, are we going to die? And he goes, I don't know son. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what the hell? Yeah. I mean, it was, was it, was it an act of vengeance for the producers? Like it was like, the, the shit's like, we're going off the air. Like five, we're going off hard. It was Henson's plan the entire time. So he, he developed that show and then he passed away. But it was his plan the whole time to have you love this family and then kill them due to their own, their own fault because they ruin the environment and it could be in the ice age. And so that was his plan the whole time boy, Jim could just go there. Oh, good for him. Go for him. Okay. And with that wonder years, mostly totally holds up. Yep. Dookie Houser. I watched the entire run with my children. It is actually an excellent show to watch with your children. It's really, you know, it has a beginning, middle and end. It is completely formulaic and what did Pam think of the medical stuff? The medical stuff. This is, this is early days as total garbage with, it's, it's more miraculous. She said it in this era when they do things and they sort of get them right. I mean, this was an era where nobody is intubated properly. Yeah. They'd usually just put oxygen masks over their face like ER people are intubated people. Well, when people, when people code on ER, that's the one thing that doctors talk about. When you, just so you know, folks, if you're in a hospital, one of your loved one codes, meaning like, you know, that they need to be resuscitated, they're probably not coming back. Yeah. It's like, it's like, oh, like five to 10% people will like come back after they code. And ER it's like 95% that was, you know, and she could tell us things like that. The fun with Pam is like, you know, your policy TV like, what do you think this is? Like, I don't know, it's probably meningitis, but, but they might, it might be a subdural hematoma. I'm not sure. It's like, it's not like on house where everything's lupus. Yes. Oh, can I make the same joke? I make the same joke to my children. When it down, it's going to be lupus. Always lupus. You know, house is always just, it's, it's the, the medical term is zebrus. You're just chasing zebrus. Yeah. The most ridiculous thing. And I taught my children like, no, they figured it out in the first act. It's definitely not that, you know, it's going to be something totally different. It's going to be the plague or some shit just, just wait, just wait. Last days, quantum leap, which was, I loved quantum leap. Yeah. I think I watched all of quantum. It's still good. It's still good. The new one's great too. I love quantum leap. I ripped off quantum leap for my own comic book series. I did a series called exiles, which was a bunch of X-Men from alternate realities that get thrown together. And they literally have to like fix things that have gone wrong and in alternate realities before they move on to the next thing. I'm doing sliders. I'm doing quantum leap. I'm doing it with X-Men. I never hid this. Never hid it. Okay. And I loved it. You know, it's some of my best work. I pitched a show a couple of years ago that got pretty far down the line that I pulled out of my ass and it was quantum leap video store. I called it three day rental and in the future, you can rent someone's life for three days in the past. So it was like a sort of anthology show. And that's pretty good. I liked it, but that had never went anywhere, but I was like, oh, that's pretty good. Elevator pitch alone. Like that's got some legs. Yeah. I mean, you know, you're done. You'd have to like streaming services now and like, you know, what's that? Yeah. No one's paying for anything. No, it's like, you know, so you know, like the heart of the show, like you kind of broke the back of that one. Yep. Well, it should be noted on Wednesday and I presumed innocent is on yet again. Again, again. So watch a couple of minutes like, Oh my gosh, John Spencer, I forgot he was in this. And and we'll take five seconds, Ronald Julia, unbelievable powerhouse actor who never got a chance to do his third act. Yeah. God, he's great in everything. Yeah. Go watch both Adam's family movies and then go watch, you know, the kiss of the spider woman and go like, Jesus Christ, look at this man. I mean, he's even good in like street fighter. Like he managed to make a ridiculous, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's deciding like, I'm going to go do it. I'm going to work him. I put it in. It's amazing. It's amazing. And, uh, which takes us to Thursday, sir, as we race the clock. Yep. Um, cause we show in Simpson's we already did that. We're done. Um, Mark and Brian were on that evening as well. I think we've talked more about that than we ever should. This episode they deliver a baby, of course, because, you know, because they talk somebody into it. It's like, uh, yeah, listen, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll pay your medical bills. I have insurance. We'll send you to Bermuda, whatever they talk to me. Well, you know what this was that I know where, I know we're lightly around, but this is a good side note. We were in the middle of Operation Desert Storm, right? So they were so trying to play on people that this one, they go, the boys play stand-in dads to a pregnant young woman whose husband is in the Air Force. Oh, right. So they're really trying with this one. Oh my God. You just want to beat someone with a stick. Yeah. It's just, you know, just be ashamed yourself. It's terrible, terrible. Uh, all right, also on this evening, I probably not watched Beverly Hills, 90210, wasn't my jam. Although I grew sideburns, uh, I did, like, like we all did at that time. I was 21. I had sideburns. Um, and, uh, but flatliners was on that night, which I have not rewatched. I bet it still holds up. I bet it's still pretty good. It's good. I watched it. And the remake recently, the remake is terrible. I heard that. But the original one still holds up. There's some really scary stuff. It's got the amazing Joel Schumacher visuals. Um, it's, you know, the cast is great. It's very of its time, but in the best way. Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. And like, I mean, just murderers row as far as cast. Yeah. It's good. Keith Sutherland, Julia Roberts. Oh, yeah. And I had to think a minute when I, when I saw it there, it's like, is Oliver Platt in this movie? Yep. You remember Oliver Platt in this movie? And what I'm thinking now is that Oliver Platt is roughly the same age as the other people in this movie. Which seems weird. It does. And I had to, I had to look it up oldest cat in the room, Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon is a year older than Oliver Platt. I believe. Oliver Platt is right now, 63, Kevin Bacon is 64, and Kevin Bacon looks younger than us. Yeah. Right now. Um, oh, so yes. Okay. Good. I'm glad, I'm glad flat liners helped out. Yeah. It's good. I would recommend flat liners. Inside note, that episode are now two and no, not usually a fan of it, but this is the introduction of Emily Valentine, who's played by ex Boston punk rock kid Christina lease who's been on the show. Shut up. Yep. Shut up. No idea. That's amazing. Yep. And she went on to write episodes of nine or two and oh, and she wrote an episode with the cramps in it because they're her favorite band. So she got paid to write that episode and have the band on the show. That's, that's like a reason to keep on living. Yep. The fact that somebody, that happened. The fact she went from like performing, I know, I had no idea that she was an actor on the show. Then wound up in the writers room. I don't know how that shit happens, but good on her. Yep. Geez. Oh my God. I mean, seriously, seriously. Oh, okay, which brings us to Friday night to close this all out. Yes. And again, we are, we are, we are the after the dog days of summer have ended. We are on. So it's Friday night. They expect no one to be watching television, basically, because we got what am I watching? I'm not watching America's most wanted, which by the way, okay, all the props imaginable to America's most wanted and John Walsh turned the most horrific thing that could ever happen to a human being and fought crime. He became that man, you know, and as ridiculous as this shit is, stop bad guys. It was amazing. But I would probably be flipping back and forth. I'd probably start my evening with Star Trek next generation. And then, oh shit, Rathicon's on broadcast television. Yep. I'm watching it, which I'm glad Rathicon. I'm hand to chest now. I'm glad Rathicon is getting the proper. He's getting his proper due. People talk about it with the reverence it deserves because it's great. Yep. You know? And the character of Khan and the whole like people who use genetic manipulation has come in into the other stories like they're like, oh, with the potential of this character, we're finally realizing. Yeah. Oh, it's just, it was, it was an amazing idea that someone said like, I'm going to take one of the guys from the show and we're going to make him the villain like Ricardo Montabon. And can we argue the point that Ricardo Montabon was never better? Like, you know, like just, just, yeah, I was just so good. I love Rathicon so much. Much more so than this movie. I did not watch at nine o'clock, which is the Amadeville, one of the many, this is like the fifth Amadeville horror movie. Yeah. Number five, because, you know, because I guess everybody loves money and they still have the rights to it. So we'll make a horror movie. Okay. Is there any way we can call this an Amadeville horror? And I'm sure the fellas and ladies working on it saying, oh, we don't give a shit. But, you know, fine. It's a failed pilot, by the way. Oh boy. Thank you, Candice. It's a failed pilot. Yeah. It's a failed pilot. And it's called Amadeville the Evil Escapes. So this is in California, right? So the, I guess that's where the, you know, you make TV shows. Yeah. And, you know, Amadeville Long Island. Who cares? It's California now. So the idea of the show was essentially they would have this group of people who are like hunting and helping haunted houses. Okay. And that's why the evil escapes. We have to keep chasing this evil from the air. And it's terrible. And it was a huge failure. At the same time, there was a huge court case about who won the rights to Amadeville. And another company made a direct to video Amadeville movie the same year called Amadeville. It's about time about an evil clock and they got in a court battle about who owned it. Well, you know, man, you know, what's, what's scarier than a cop? A clock, you know, or, you know, whatever these, these ghost chasers were, I love that's failed pilot. I love that we're ending on this, which is again, like I want to, I want to reiterate, I believe this is a rather dark time for television. I believe he convinced me or of television because here we are. We're in September. We're about to kick off a new season and it's a garbage dump. This is, you know, what a, I mean, just, just, there's a lot, there's a lot of trash here. There's a lot of building blocks. You know, there's some good here, but there's a lot of shit going on that's just, it just, you know, I mean, with the exception of Northern exposure, you know, we get a couple of like people like, oh, a night court was amazing. Like, well, not the watch a little night court. And yeah, every time Gerald and Lara can't speak, it's like, that's funny. Yeah. That's working. That's okay. You know, it's like, other than that, you know, like again, like especially 91, the show had been canceled the previous season and the show that we're going to replace it with fell through, and they still had them under contract, made them come back and do a final season after they thought they were done. Wow. So the last season is nuts. Oh, is it just like, well, I, I believe the episode that they show here is that Harry and John Lara Cat's character are stuck in a vault and they're visited by the devil. Yep. Yeah. So, okay. So, you know, things get crazy. The two part of that opens it was influenced by Northern exposure, Dan crashes a plane in Alaska. He has to live with this Inuit family and like, it's ridiculous. Wow. Oh, man, this, it's not even see folks in 91, you can't even blame it on that everyone was on cocaine. That was done. Yeah. This is an era of just, we don't care anymore. Yep. We don't care. Jess, we're just, you know, there's a lot of that going on. We don't watch anything. And they did. They did. For a while. They did for a while. You know, we are right. We are right on the, the precipice of things getting kind of interesting. Movies were deeply interesting now. Yes. I mean, there's a lot of like, you know, motion pictures were like really kind of kicking ass like a lot of like great, weird, interesting shit going on, you know, right around this time. And it's the summer of T2. It's like, yeah. Yes. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Again, culturally grunge is about to come in, you know, we're about to have a major cultural shift with youth culture. And with that, you know, indie films are about to come in, which are, you know, kind of played Hellwood TV. TV had to change up in a lot of ways. Oh, yeah. You know, and how I would be stuff. Yeah. I mean, it's a whole thing. Oh, yeah. This is, this is, this is despite the fact that I had a delightful time with you, sir. This was not great TV. Well, when we, when we do this again, which we should, we'll have to try and take a good year. Oh, yeah. No, we either go forward or go back. Yes. I mean, you know, what I mean, for me personally, we've picked a couple of errors. Like previously, we kind of did a lot of my childhood. Now this is me as kind of a, a young adult, you know, and in the twenties before, you know, before I knew, knew anything, you know, still, still wet behind the years and before I went off and joined the circus. That's right. Went on, went actually on TV myself. Um, crossed, you went through the looking glass. Literally. I did. Cross dreams went in there. You know, I learned it was what it was on the other side, but not really. You know, as, as, as I talk about often, as it often comes up, it's like, yeah, no, that must have been interesting. It's like, it was, it was the most amazing experience in my life. And there's many things I can say about, but if we're going to talk about it as far as TV, uh, for a very brief period of time, I was on a TV show where the cast was as famous as the cast of friends. Mm hmm. For a couple of months. Yeah. Literally, like two months and then that was over with. Our show ended. There's kept going and yeah. And then that's all done. Now me, myself, you know, I met my wife and I'm living in a house that we have together and I have two teenage children. You know, that's what I got out of it. Worked out. It's it worked out. Great. Worked out. Great. You know, a lot better like, uh, I was about to say better than it did for Fred Ward. No, Fred did fine. You know, you did fine. Yeah. I was I was trying to find out someone to crap on, but I didn't really have it. No, no, we won't have Dennis Hopper playing you in the season of the real world after that. Heavens. No. Although I would watch that. I would. That'd be great. Oh man. Normal real world cast and then Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper. Uh, just chewing up the scenery, you know, him doing, trying to do his best Rob Morrow. Be great. Be great. It'd be like big brother Jake. He'd be, he'd be in charge. We just picked a great show. Someone out there's going like, that's not bad. That's not bad. We can do this. I think it'll go on Hulu. Uh, well, thank you so much. Always a pleasure. Uh, always a good time. And yeah, thank you. I really appreciate you doing it. Sir, absolute delight as always. We shall do this again. Yes. At some point, my friend. I didn't lie to you. He's the best. Uh, hopefully we'll be back next year for a third. A third in the trailer, we'll complete the trilogy of The Cayman Judge Show here. Uh, by all his books, just, just look them up on Amazon or your local independent bookstore and just buy everything that he's done. And you will not be disappointed. Uh, speaking of not being disappointed, next week I have another excellent guest. So I don't think he'll be disappointed then. But be here next time for a brand new edition of TV guidance counselor. [MUSIC]
