The following program was recorded on an earlier date for presentation at this time. You have a TV? No. I just like to read the TV Guide. Read the TV Guide. You don't need a TV. Hello everybody. Welcome to a very, very special episode of TV Guidance Counselor. You are listening to a monumental moment here. Although a moment, monumental moment, I think, might be redundant. I don't know. Listen. It's time for episode 100 of TV Guidance Counselor. Now I know this is not technically episode 100 because it's, I think, episode 120, something like that because of specials and live editions and those sorts of things. But let's just say it's episode 100 because that is the number and convention I decided to do and I am can read. This is my show. If this is the first time you've heard the show, welcome to the show. I don't know why necessarily you would have picked episode 100 of the clip show. But it's not a bad idea because this will be an excellent primer for the show going forward. I've been doing this show about a year and a half. I started it on Valentine's Day 2014 due to Sean Sullivan telling me I should do this. I own every TV Guide. The basic premise of the show is that someone comes to my home or I go to them occasionally. They pick a specific edition of TV Guide. We sit down and we talk about the choices that they would watch in television that we can history. Occasionally we do break format. The show has ballooned into something much more than that where I've managed to speak with people who've actually been in the shows that we watched growing up which has been pretty amazing. Episode 100 is a big deal. It's a big deal for me because it means that there are people who've listened to every episode that's over 100 hours of my stupid voice that they've heard which is "I'm not good at math" but that's like five days of me in a year and a half which is pretty insane. I assume they do other things while they listen to the show so it's not just listening to me because that would be a little bit strange but that is a big deal. But also in television language episode 100 is always a big deal and aside from the fact that it just means hey we've made 100 episodes isn't that cool. There is a very good reason traditionally why that is celebrated and it is due to syndication. The magical word that allows people to make a lot more money on a show that they produce. Episode 100 is always the mile marker because that means they can do the show as a strip show. So a little bit of history here before we get into the clip show stuff. A strip show means that a show it's not what you think it is sadly although given the state of television today and the general sleaze of the world there may be something on called strip show that is literally just people stripping. I'm not 100% sure if that's a thing or not but a strip show means that it's on five nights a week so it's on every day, up sensibly, ostensibly for business week. So Monday through Friday is a strip show. There are also two types of syndicated shows. There are syndicated shows that are reruns so that would be the traditional Brady Bunch, Beverly Hillbillies, the sorts of things that you think of when you think of syndicated shows. And there is something called first run syndication which really ballooned in the 80s. There were several shows that started as network shows and then went into first run syndication and what that means is just that they are not reruns. The first time these episodes air is in syndication, Charles in charge is one of those shows. It started on NBC and then after season one became a first run syndication show. There are also some shows that you may have not known became first run syndication shows for their final seasons like Punky Brewster, Webster. There was a majority of those shows ended up becoming first run syndication shows for their final season and then you and shows that were always first run syndication shows. For example, Small Wonder is one of those shows. Now first run syndication strip show usually the number of episodes in a season is almost triple that of a normal season. Now seasons have changed quite a bit now. We have the sort of 13 episodes season for quality TV but the traditional sitcom is still about 22 to 24 episodes. However, a strip show is 65 episodes and that is because they want to run the entire season two and a half times in a year. So 100 episodes means that they can run the thing twice more or less in a year and show everyone these episodes twice. So they're really getting a lot of value for their money there. So that is why they mostly celebrate episode 100. It means everybody's getting a much bigger paycheck. Now on to the phenomenon of the clip show. Clip show is sort of a lost art these days. It really came to prominence in the late 60s up through the 80s before every single show was available to watch at any time. And really before you had a lot of shows being rerun all the time, the clip show would sometimes be in the first season even and often in the second season and usually be a two-parter. Now there were a couple different formats of clip shows. Now I think when people see a clip show in syndication they kind of grown and they feel a bit gypped, sorry gypsies, I didn't mean to offend you. Please don't curse me, sorry gypsies as well for implying that you curse people. I don't know anything about gypsies anyway. There is the clip show that sort of pretends to be a real episode. So they'll usually have like a wrap around where they're trapped somewhere, someone's going to give up on something. And then there are the clip shows that sort of break the fourth wall where they actually have the actors come in and talk about some of their favorite moments. Usually episode 100 or a milestone episode they'll do a clip show or some sort of retrospectives special. And I think those are okay but my favorite is sort of in the context of the show. So one of my favorites was season two, two-part episode of Growing Pains, no surprise there. If you are a listener of the show, you know that I love Growing Pains, called The Way We Were, where the Seaver kids are having a yard sale, garage sale, tag sale depending on where you are. But it's really garage sale. And all of the items that they're selling start speaking to each other and talking about how they got there. It's very, very strange, there's an ashtray, Ben made for his father, there's Mike Sneakers, he cheated on a test with, and the actual objects speak and they are the catalyst to the clips. It's a very, very unusual clip show. But that's a bit atypical. So for example, with my show here, which is TV guidance counselor, which you're listening to now, if I were to do a clip show, the premise might be, this would be pretty standard, I might say, you know, it's just, people listen to the show, but it's a lot of work, I don't really know if it's worth doing, you know, I feel depressed about the show, and I just might not do it anymore. And then another character from the show, you know, let's say just because he's sitting here with me, my dog Pete would be like, I don't know what Pete would talk like, or just speak English. I assume he would probably sound a little bit like it's a baby from the Muppet Babies, the baby version of Animal. I'm thinking, you know, like the go-bop. Anyway, I won't do his voice. He also is originally from Tennessee, so we would have some kind of accent. But Pete would probably say, well, what are you talking about? I mean, you've had so many great moments here on the show, like, like what about the time that you had Mike Lee and Black on? And you guys talked about cave living and silver spoons. Joey Lawrence sneaks into their house and steals their Christmas presents, as happens on most Christmas TV episodes. And then Ricky follows him to where he's living, and he's living in a cave on the Stratton's property with his family who have been recently laid off. Right. Which happens in America. Yeah. Well, I know I'm just trying to think of the network of caves on my property, and we've definitely found some bears in there, and we found some fox. We did find one family, but they, there was a prehistoric family. Yes. And they were probably employed. They were employed as being prehistoric. Yes. That is a good line of business that more people should go into. My also second favorite thing about that is, instead of saying, hey, why don't you work at my father's toy company, or here's some of our enormous money, he sneaks into their cave when they're out foraging for food, decorates it for Christmas, puts a tree out. No presents, but a tree in lights, and it's very nice. It's a nice gesture on his part. Very nice gesture. Yes. I think it is. So you grew up in New Jersey? I did. And then I'd say, you know, Pete, that, that was pretty fun, but, you know, you know, that was a fleeting moment, and, you know, I'm still not convinced. And then Pete might go, but what about the time you very nearly had Paul run on the show in the very same episode with Michael and Black? Oddly enough, in this particular issue that we have here, whoever owned this TV guy previously has made a different choice than you at Sunday night. Oh, what are they going to look like? They've circled and put X's around something called Bula Land. Yeah, Bula Land, I believe, is a miniseries that seems to be running the whole week. Now, Bula Land has screwed up my entire schedule, because it's preempted whatever choices I might have. So this is a three-part saga of Southern plantation life from 1827 to post-civil world reconstruction based on Lonnie Coleman's novels, and it stars Leslie Ann Warren, Don Johnson, and Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. It says Paul Rudd, as Leon Kendrick. I don't know if it's the same Paul Rudd. Hold on a second. Is there more than one Paul Rudd? I don't know. I'm going to ask him. Are you asking him right now? We're asking Paul Rudd if he was in Bula Land in 1983. That works, too, because the world needs to know also Meredith Baxter Bernie, isn't this? I mean, with that cast, that's a better cast than I anticipated. Had I read that, had I read the description, I might have gone with Bula Land, but then I would have been committed to Bula Land. That's true. For the whole week. Right. I mean, how could it be the same-- I can imagine. In '83, I mean, was he a kid actor? The first thing I remember seeing him in was in Halloween 6, and that was in 1990. I feel like I would have known that he was in Bula Land. I mean, I assume you'd tell everybody that when you first met them. You think, right? I'm Paul Rudd. I was in Bula Land. Hi, Paul. It's Michael Ian Black. I'm recording a podcast, and the idea of the podcast is you go through old TV guides and pick what you would like to watch on that particular week. We've come across a mini-series called Bula, starring Leslie Ann Warren, Don Johnson, and Paul Rudd as what? Leon Kendrick. As Leon Kendrick. This is from 1983. Neither of us think that that's you. If you get this message, please give me a call back and let me know. Perfect. If that's him, I'll be-- I'll be sure. I'll be amazed. But he'll have to autograph this. You know, and then I'd say Pete, you're right. That was pretty fun, but we didn't really have him on, and again, that was in the same episode that might have been a fluke, and then he may say, "Was it a fluke when you got to meet one of your comedy heroes, Ms. Laura Keitlinger, someone whose work you've loved for years and have a really fun conversation about weird names?" Trapper John M.D. I'm trying to think of a show that I didn't really like, oh, because my name was Keitlinger. I was teased sometimes called Knight Rider, so I think just because of that, I didn't like Knight Rider. When you first mentioned that to me, it took me a second to even-- I was like, were you like a car? I was like, oh yes. And before that, it was actually kind of a welcome change. Before that, it was pipe cleaner. Oh, pipe cleaner. Yeah. So Knight Rider was pretty good. I was, what do you think of this business endeavor? I have no children, I have no plans on having children, but I think I have this perspective where a couple is having a child, and they're going to name the child. They submit their potential names to me, and I sit down and write every mean thing I can think of that may be said for those names. That's brilliant. That's a good report of here's what your kid might be made fun of so you can weigh which of these options is the best. Oh my god. It's like they don't even consider it or even remember that they were in school. Right. So you do this whole dossier of like, here's your potential of making fun of names. I know I actually had this bit about something that happened. A neighbor of mine said, oh, you know, we're right across the street, you should do an electronic mover and just, you know, we'll watch a movie or all makes pizza or something and watch Mantis. And I said, Mantis, God, I hate the title, who's in it? And she said, that's my son's name. Mantis, or someone named Mantis? Oh my, that sounds like there'd be a terrible sitcom about like an action priest who is also like a government spy in his last name's Mantis called praying Mantis. Right. You have to play the place of violin, but you think it's his wings, but you know, my stupid friend said, we're just going to call him Mantis. Oh yeah, that's way worse. Yeah, that's definitely the problem with Mantis. I worked for a healthcare company for a while and so I'd see all the baby names and a lot of uniques. No. It's been a wide variety of different ways for a lot of uniques, a lot of uniques. That's a great title for something. A lot of uniques. A lot of uniques. Well, uniques, yes. I don't know. I might incorporate this business and you know, you could have a whole writer's room of like frustrated comedians who get to be mean about children who aren't even born. I think you should start it. Yeah, I just need a snappy name. You don't think a lot of uniques is the name of it? A lot of uniques could work for the company. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We should work on this. Yeah. We should work on this. And I'd say you're right. That was, that was very fun. And that was, that was a fun episode. And he could remind me of all the great cheers and cheers conversations that I've had with guests over the years where I read them the cheers and cheers from that TV guide and they agree or disagree with them. And maybe the best version of that was when I talked to James Domian on the show. Cheers to the American Express Purchase Protection Commercial in which a young boy feeds the new VCR his morning oatmeal. We got this note from one of our readers in Alabama. Don't think that two year olds don't pay attention to commercials. Cheers did, so far she has fed our VCR, a cheese sandwich, three pork chops, two jelly breads and the remote control three or four times. Besides the fact that we don't own an American Express card, we are now stuck with a well fed and broken VCR, not guaranteed by anybody. Hold on a second. First of all, Alabama don't admit that you're from Alabama when you send in a letter like that. But it's evident when you use the term jelly bread. Jelly bread. Would you like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? What did that fucking fat kid have? Jelly bread. Three pork chops. Three pork chops. This is all one day. This is one sandwich. This is before these parents got up and said hey don't do that. Would you like a sandwich with cheese, three pork chops and jelly? Oatmeal. Oatmeal. That's fine. But like god damn it, don't be dumb and fat and then write a letter to the whole country about it. How am I supposed to watch smoking in the bandit too now? There's jelly bread all in here. Shit. There's butter bacon on my girly videos. Jelly bread sounds like a guy's nickname down there. Right. You mean jelly bread? Hush up. That's just jelly bread. Yeah. He's slow. Or an excuse for being racist. Hey we just jelly bread. Oh. It's like being in bread but just like. We just jelly bread. We white on the outside. We true blue on the inside. We go inside. We're jelly bread. We're jelly bread people. We're all white and we're told sweet. Finally, cheers to Dennis Farina, if that was it, I'd already agree with that. Some of last season's best guest appearances, the former star of NBC's crime story turned up on ABC's China Beach as a bright-eyed officer who thoroughly charmed Waidlu, Casey and Lila on NBC's Miami Vice Farina played a mobster who had faked his own death before he was now returning to Florida to resume his life. In both cases, Farina just devoured the roles and walked away with the episodes. More power to him. Dennis Farina. I want him to read this in TV Guide and go, "Yeah, fucking about time. Maybe you should have said something when I had a TV show on my own, you fuck." I'd like him to be like, "Oh, I'm bottom lying behind fucking jelly bread." Jelly bread before me now. It was the best thing they could have written and he was like, "Fuck you." Pull my car around. I'm driving over there. I'm driving over there in a TV Guide. I'm going to teach him a fucking lesson. He replaced Robert Stack as the host of Unsolved Mysteries after he died. Really? He did. He goes, "I'll go solve the fucking thing." Farina sells mysteries. With an attitude like that, it is. I still say jelly bread to this day. I'm hoping that if, for some reason, fans of this show, both of you wanted to have some sort of name to identify your fan group, I think jelly breads would be the number one pick at this time unless something else better comes up. But I'm still not convinced to continue to do the show, so nothing else might come up better. It would just historically be jelly breads. And then Pete might say, "What about the time that you had Amy Sedaris on the show?" And it was the first time you were asked to actually do this show live and you went to New York and hundreds of people showed up for New York Super Week last year. And Amy talked about what she would do if she played a detective on a detective series. If you were a detective, what would your abortion give it to? Paralyze. Paralyze. How? I can paralyze. How paralyze? Like, where you stand next time? Where you stand. Under here. And I have stairs in my house. And every episode of me slicker over party with you. These are always at the top of the stairs. I thought I would not have a hard line to the second floor. Are you going to be the second floor? Are you going to be the second floor? And you know that would be great to watch, but it sadly never was. It's almost more depressing to know about something great that could have happened. And, you know, if not convinced, Pete would say, "You know, you had Amy Sedaris on the show, and somehow you made discussing how to clean a microwave. It was really interesting and a fun moment to remember." I just got to line the way for the first time in February, just because I needed it for taking something after my rabbit and I had to get one. But I had to say, I love her. Did you test it? Did you go back to me now? It was this round thing. She was art. She was elderly. And I had to get these round, like, ceramic things to heat up. I was covered in foam and in fabric. And I was like, "I don't have a microwave." And it was like, "You don't have a microwave." It was rude for microwave. Did you go to the store and know what's the best microwave you have for heating up a rabbit's bed? No, I tried to find a microwave to give. You know, I guess it's for too much I want. She's like, "Why don't you spend that much of us?" "I fucking don't know." You want to tell me what I want? If you can food me? I just warm things up. And now I just used it once in a while to pop home. Yeah, it's a problem. It's a filthy guy. I gotta clean it up. Oh, and so you clean it up? What do you clean the inside of each other? What do you clean it with? Oh, and that's kind of true. I don't know what's so good. I still understand what I can put in there. I don't understand what you're allowed to put in it. Don't put it in there. I mean, if you were like drunk there, what is that? Don't put your head in there. Don't put your plastic first or something in there. Don't put metal in there. Don't put a mess of lightning. Really? You don't make a little lightning show. Is it some chimp oil? Yeah, chimp oil will go off. So no chimp oil. No chimp oil. You know what's fun? If you put marshmallows in there, they get huge. I want politics. They're like 30 times their normal size. And then they open the door. They should break down. Oh, she did. I used to do that. [Laughter] Look at my marshmallow. We were picking her up. [Laughter] Well, I was like, hey, man. Maybe my second favorite pasta besides watching TV was seeing how hot I could get her and we're burning stone to go. There was a little dialogue just to throw wood into it until the front door was like maxed out. And then someone's nose would bleed. [Laughter] No, I had my friends over. [Laughter] And then they were like, look how hot it is in there. It was like fire started when the nose is kind of full of stain. They were like, ah, like we got hot enough in here. That was the number one. Now this is aside from dying from these different colors. And number two was just making marshmallows get big in the microwave and trying to fasten up to open the microwave when they were still big and touch everyone. [Laughter] But it was such a weird thing to like teach us about the fleetingness of lightning. Noooo, it would shrink. And then eventually it would just lose its structural integrity and just melt. Oh, what a pain that would clean up. That was terrible. [Laughter] Marshmallows. [Laughter] I guess you're going to put a miniature one in here and get the sides over. We're going to work on it. [Laughter] You're going to do the same thing. [Laughter] Are they saying it too? Five minutes from marshmallows. We're going to put a normal size in your microwave. [Laughter] But... [Laughter] Sponge, I'm going to try that. Sponge. [Laughter] And he's right. You know, I can't really argue with him about that. It's true. That was a fun moment to remember. And I got to meet and talk to Amy Sedaris, who's someone whose work I love and pretty much everything she's ever done. Strangers with Candy is still one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. I can't believe it got on television. And if you haven't seen it, you need to stop this thing right now, this podcast right now, and watch it. All of it in its entirety. And I don't want you coming back here until you've launched every episode. And you've gotten some great stories. This is Pete talking now. I know it sounds just like me. You've gotten some great behind-the-scenes stories from people, and most of them have been about George C. Scott for some reason. To the point where you thought, "Hey, it might be a good idea when I have a guest on the show, just as the first question to ask them, is what horrible thing did George C. Scott do to you?" And maybe the first time he came up on the show was when you got to meet Danny Tamborrelli from The Adventures of Pete and Pete, a show that comes up all the time, is one of your all-time favorite shows, and was maybe the most important show to you in the early '90s that got you through a tough time in your life, and you had him on the show. And I'd say, you know, I think, you know, you're convincing me a little bit more at Pete, but you're right. Also Pete's name is Pete. So Pete talks about Pete and Pete when we talked about George C. Scott. That whole time I did the, I was in the Mighty Ducks. I did an off-Broadway play with George C. Scott. And Nathan Lane called on Barrow time. Oh man. What was George C. Scott like? He was a dick. Was he a dick? Yeah. He was a miserable old man. There was one scene where like, I'm like, it's hanging out in this tree and he like, picks me up and pulls me down like he's got me in his arms. And we're going over lines and he's trying to think of his line and trying to think of his line. He's like 80. Right. And I'm, you know, eight, nine years old and I remember the whole, I could recite the whole frickin' play by this point. So help him out. You're gonna help him out. I'll help him out. I'm gonna throw him a boner and I tell him his line. You don't tell another actor his lines, especially one who's an actor like, yeah, George C. Scott, because he will squeeze you. He squeezed you? He squeezed me. I'll never forget this as long as I live either. He squeezed me and I could see like his bulbous fat nose. George C. Scott got you in a sleeper hole? Almost in the sleep. Yeah. Except he had me by the, like, the arm, not the... He got you in the anaconda. Yeah, in an anaconda. He anaconda me. Oh my God. Yelled in my face. You never tell him after his lines. Like, freaked out. That's amazing. Yeah. You know what you should do is, let's call our fellow Coljay who was in anaconda and he could get revenge for you. He made me... No, it's okay. I got revenge. You know why? What'd you do? Because George C. Scott is dead. Yep. Did you kill him? No, but he's dead now. So I win. I'm winning. Wow. I got fired a week after. Did you? You got your fight? Oh, yeah, yeah. What a dickhead. Yeah. Who gets a nine-year-old fight? But that's okay. Then I got the Mighty Ducks right afterwards. Yeah, I was like... It'd be funny if he was up for the same role in Mighty Ducks. (laughter) He was up there. He has George C. Scott. He would've been Hans. And, you know, that's kind of a fluke. You know, I had people from Pete and Pete on. There's so many other shows that were really important to me. Like, get a life, for example. And then I remember, thanks to Pete's prodding, that Adam Resnick, the co-creator of the show, a guy who wrote and directed "Cabin Boy", a wonderful funny movie that he doesn't believe anybody likes, came on the show. And although not a live edition that we were asked to do as a live edition, it kind of just happened technically our first live edition, you actually got to talk to him for an extended period of time. And it was right when his great book, "Will Not Attend" came out. And you guys talked about New York and all kinds of amazing things. When I was young, I had this affinity for New York more than any other place where I saw, you know, their location, where their shoot-down location in some city. But New York, you know, it was just, it looked so great to me. And I didn't feel that way about, you know, if I saw something in place that was set in San Francisco, or, you know, even Chicago. I mean, it looked nice, but New York was just-- - You wanted the grittiness of it? - I don't know. It just felt right to me. Even when I was, you know, so young, I could just barely remember, like, seeing a hearing about Bitnite Cowboy or seeing the scene on a thing. I didn't really understand, you know, what it was. But it's walking you? You know, he was walking on the streets with all these people, and there's, like, a dead guy laying on the sidewalk. - Yeah. - Yeah. I just keep fucking-- I got to move to this place. - I want to go to a place where you can step over dead people and no one chides you for it. - No, I think I related to the dead guy. I thought this is a place you can go and really be anonymous. - You can just die in the scene. - Yeah, no one, no one, that would not have to run into anybody. It's great. - I cannot believe, by the way, how would you know about this stuff? - I can't either. I don't want to know it. It's a curse, really. - The way you're speaking about this, the most out of that, like, sort of, command of knowledge over would be something like a loaf of bread. I would just say, see, the wrapper's kind of crinkly and stuff on the outside. - So it's like one and there's this twisty thing to open. - And you go in, like, the bread, and the stuff inside this bread, it's really soft, and you get, like, you get, like, squeeze it and almost turn it into dough again. - And I could probably go on, like, that for a couple of hours. - You should have a podcast about bread talk. - You're doing it. It requires no real memory. - Whoa! - And that's true. You know, we talked, we talked. It was nice to be complimented by him. I am astounded that that happened. But, you know, he see runs in comedy circles. It's not totally unusual that I got to meet him and talk to him and have him on the show. You know, there's, we have some mutual friends, and, although amazing, you know, isn't, I can't attribute that just to the show. And then Pete would point out, you're not going to believe this one. You had Emmanuel Lewis on the show. Webster himself, the incredibly famous Emmanuel Lewis, recognizable by generations of people. You had Emmanuel Lewis on your second ever live show, and you guys talked about some incredible things. He was a really great guy, and you got to hear all about growing up on the backlot, and all that sort of thing. I mean, that's, you can't excuse that. That certainly would not have happened had you not done TV guidance, Counselor. So, could you not do, like, normal kid stuff after that? No. Before that, I could do much of it anyway, because I was the smallest kid. After that, it was a wrap. Right. And was that, was there anything that you were like, "Man, I really miss?" It was, it was difficult. I mean, you know, you're a kid, and you're looking out the window, and you're seeing other kids playing, you're inside. Yeah. And that was difficult. Yeah. Yeah. That's the trade-off, I guess. It was. Now, but, you know, these kids were playing outside, but my playground was to the confines of a state. Right. So, it was a trade-off, but in a very good way than it's years to understand. Right. So, at the time, you probably were kind of like this sucks, but then sort of as an adult, you can, you have the hindsight to be able to look and say, "Oh, I kind of got a similar thing. Maybe a better thing in some ways out of it." But, it took me a while as an adult myself. You picked up the memos to go to the airport. We're not going to a wedding, a funeral, enough. Right. Nobody died or gone married. It's pretty cool. They got water, juice and stuff in there. So, you would kind of have to look at your work on the show, then. It's almost as your play as well. Would you try to, or you're, I mean, you're so focused on doing the job right. What did you do for a relaxant? Like, what was your vision? Oh, you know, it was fun, you know. Right in the next door was a family matter. Yes. So, Michael J. Fox was there. He was there and that team that I was, it was a buddy. Yeah, because he goes around the same age. He goes around the same age. We would always have fun, jump on a bike, ride around the lot. Right. So, it's kids that can understand the issue because they're in the same boat. And Michael J. Fox was so cool. He was like, you know, we didn't bother him too much because I was in the boat, but he didn't get it, because he broke the Josh Stars. Right. Oh, yeah. He was like, "Oh, come on, hang out." Yeah. What do you guys do with this? Would you go see, like, back to the future and the theater and then go see Michael J. Fox hanging out with the bunch? Oh, my God. It was so, it was so wild. Yeah. Because they were giving him a heart, I can say it. Yeah. They were giving him a hell on that show. Yeah. They was not giving him a lot of respect and love. Yeah. They didn't land it back to the future. They had to buy it out. Yeah. So, that was awesome. And he did that while he was shooting that show. So, he's running a week of sitcom, which, as you just said, is a lot of work. Yeah. And he's shooting this movie at night. Yeah. So, they're probably like, "Are you insane?" Yeah. That was really, it was great to see him rise. Right. I think it's because it was, it was not great. He was not getting the love and respect that he did it. And he was very asked. He was a very funny character. Oh, yeah. He was the breakout character for that show. I mean, you know, the funniest person on the show, I think. You know, that's just... Did you watch "Family Ties" as a fan? Would you watch these shows that you saw people making? Absolutely. I was in the bleachers. Did you watch them filming? I watched them filming. And then would you watch them? Oh, I'm right. They're all right. They're all right. They were all right. That's a pretty cool break. Yeah. Yeah. And now the stream was cheers. Oh, wow. Wow. So, you feel like you've been to Boston? And then the first... The first... The first year, "Happy Dead" was still doing the last shows. The last season. And they had Jody Las Chachi. Yeah. We were filming right in there where... Lancey's beautiful. I love Losies to be around. Yeah. The old Desi Louis Studios. Yeah. Yeah. I wish that a lot was... Solid Go. Oh. Okay. Did you visit the Solid Go? Oh, wow. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that was the best part. I mean, you know, everybody wanted to do jazz, right? Yeah. So, and then across the way, Eddie Murphy had his production. Okay. And he was doing stuff on the line. So, I covered Bob Bob with the heck out Eddie. Yeah. He was much like good. Because he ended up doing a pilot with Corky Nemek, who was on the last season of Webster due to show called What's Down Watching. Right. I think in '89, the year after Webster... Oh, he was cool, dude. Yeah. He was awesome. So, Webster went for five seasons on A.M.E.C. Yeah. And then he did a sixth season in first-run syndication. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's where... The first push was actually to get that right. Really? Yeah. I don't must do it. I'm a little bit more convinced. I'm getting there. But I still, you know, I'm not totally convinced in the context of this clip show conceit that I have artificially installed on myself for this episode. But then I would remember that the show I maybe talk about the most here is New Heart. And New Heart is an amazing show. It's incredibly funny. I've been watching it for years. And somehow, in some strange twist of fate, I got to have Julia Duffy on the show, who is hilarious and who I have absolutely loved for decades. And she was a guest on the show, which I cannot believe. Thank God. I have audio of it to prove it. By the time you came into that show, that's sort of the New Heart everybody remembers. And how much input did you have into what that character became? Because as you said, it was a plot device when it first started. But, I mean, you own that character. And I think when people think of, like, a Julia Duffy character, that's sort of a Stephanie. Well, my input was mostly about, I didn't want, it was very important to me, that she was unaware of when she was being snobbish. Right. That it was never deliberate. Right. Because then I thought that's an entirely different kind of character. Right. And the people who do that well and are funny doing it are people like Be Arthur. Right. But. That a cervic kind. Not think that people would think that a very young girl who was rich would be funny being snooty. Right. Deliberately snooty. Right. And it had to be an unaware kind of snooty. And that was something I kind of harped on in the first year with the writers. Because the difference to me was huge. Yeah. And I think to them sometimes when they were writing the jokes, they didn't quite see the difference. But that was the place where I had input where I kind of. Right. But they came up with her jokes. But they came up with so many things that I can't take any credit. They came up with the idea that she just assumed that she was so beautiful that it was difficult for other people. Right. Yeah. I mean that's the thing. I loved stuff like that. It's hilarious. People say the best villains think they're the good guy. They don't think of themselves as a villain. Yes. So in this case she thinks she's doing everything right and she's never insulting anybody. She always thought she was helping Joanna when she would point out how tacky she is. Right. She was really trying to be helpful because she came from a place where she knew much better. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's all helpful. My favorite Joanna Barb that Stephanie had was in the Halloween episode where George is dressed as the cowardly lion. And he goes, "Guess what I am?" And you say, "Joanna?" Oh. I didn't remember that. It's very, very, very funny. I don't think I'm more convinced here. And then this may or may not put me over the top. But the show that I may be quote most often as my favorite sitcom of all time is the growing pain spin off just the ten of us. And I managed to get Connie herself, Connie Lubbock. Miss Joanne will let on the show, not only that, but she was the first guest I had who actually appeared on the Battle of the Network stars and I got some great behind the scenes info about that show. Apparently Warner Bros. suggested me to the ABC team. They were looking for real athletes. Right. You know, I think that the networks really do want you to win. They want to win. They want to win, right? So they submitted me and then I suddenly got it and everybody was thrilled. Oh, you know, we got Jo on the show. And so then that weekend, in mind you, I'm living in this little apartment in Sherman Oaks. Okay. And we had just started the show, right? Yeah, since it was 80, like fall of 88 probably. That's something like I don't really remember exactly, but we just started the show and nobody really knew us. I did. Well, of course you did, Ken. Not that helpful. Yeah. There was one boy in Massachusetts. Yes. We could just get through the war. We could just, yeah. I lived in a saddle part where it wasn't really a one bedroom. You drew a curtain. Oh, right. So it was not in place. So the living room is a bedroom and a place. Yeah. Yeah. It was not a glamorous place. So let's just say I didn't get the special segment. Right. You know, I like it. Go to your house while you're training. So I go the curtain back and forth and back and forth. No, look at my biceps. Sorry, run to get my mouse. I don't get stabbed. No, I know. I think they took a look at my apartment. Well, this is just sad. Yeah. America doesn't want to see that. Yeah. The glamour. Yeah. The glamour. There's nothing glamorous about this. You know. So I said, I'm sorry. And I remember they picked me up in the limo and the whole thing was just surreal. Oh, yeah. I grew up watching. Yeah. I mean, it was such a weird holdover of that '70s when the networks were huge. They were still big by this time, but the environment was sort of changing. It was so cool. And that's such a thing. And the team you had was all pretty young, aside from John Davidson, who was the captain. Yeah. Who was doing Hollywood squares at that time. What's he really doing? Those guys I never knew while he was famous, like Bert Comfy. Yeah. They were just always in like Fantasy Island, all the sort of big love vote type shows. Yeah. And then they'd also sing. Yeah. Why not? He was a quadruple threat. Yeah. Yeah. He couldn't do anything much. He could do anything. So you guys won. We won. Well, when we first got there, Olivia Dabo, who was from, you know, one year's, what I love. And I met her that day. They sat us down and said, this is the whole part that I thought was wrong, was I thought, you know, our money that we would earn would go to charity or whatever. Right. But it didn't. It went to the actors. So we were told. So if you won, you would get money for the show? Well, for four hours of work. Right. You know, doing this competition, third place would get $4,000 each, each, each member. And I think the second place took eight grand. Well, the top prize, whoever won, you know, for the top prize, the top team, we'd each get $12,000. So Olivia and I were like, we have to feed our families. Yeah. That's it. We have to. We just started. We just started. And I think, I don't know if I'm going to make rent next. Right. So we'll be suicide prevention. Yeah. So, you know, so she and I decided that was it, you know, and then the rest of the team that we're really trying to win because it was like, I mean, I was like $12,000 for four hours of work. That's a pretty good payday. Pretty, pretty good payday. And just obscene to me. Yeah. And I didn't think, you know, who knew? We didn't think our shows were going to go on. Yeah. You think each payday is going to be the last one? Yeah. Yeah. But then most of the gals and every race had to have at least two girls in the race. Right. Right. You'd have something for the dads to watch. I'm sure they had some sort of statistic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. None of us wore bras, of course, because... Yeah. Was that mandated by the... Yeah. It was mandated. We call it the Cheryl Ladd rule. I know. And we discover that the ratings are up. If you review those shows, you will say like, the sports bra simply wasn't invented yet. Yeah. Most of the girls on my show, on my team, didn't want to do, like, they didn't even got to want to get wet or they didn't want to, you know, and Olivia and I were like, that, you know... We don't want to win. Yeah. We don't want to win dirt me up. I don't care, you know... We don't want to do any of the relay races and you have to, like, whatever in a paddling pool... Yeah. Well, the first one, the first race out of the block there was the kayak race. Right. Well, I've never been in a kayak in my life, but none of the girls wanted to do it. So by default, I just said, well, I guess I'll go for it, I'll do it, you know. And they literally put me in the boat and you can see if you have, there's a clip running on YouTube where I just looked terrified, like, oh, what am I supposed to do? What's going to happen? Oh, what's going to happen? I don't even... How does this work? Right. No, no, no, no. It was like seven o'clock in the morning and they stick you in the boat and so they just said, and then you hear a Howard Cosel go, and they're off, you know, and... Which must have been very... Oh, it's all so surreal because, again, I grew up with Howard Cosel. Yeah, hearing your own name coming out of Howard Cosel's mouth would be very strange. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're going along and then I managed to be good at it and I turned around the corner of her haces and she makes a nifty turn, all of a sudden I hear over the intercom and it's, well, what? All the way and I actually stopped rowing going, what? It's a replay of the L.A. Marathon Hall over here, and someone's like, how are you supposed to win for the L.A.C. team? I know. I know. That's amazing. I'm surprised we don't have that sort of thing now. Yeah. So that would be just a slam dunk. Well, you would think so, but back then, there was like the three networks box was up and coming, but it was kind of like the celebrities were our royalty. Right, right. Ooh, that's because that's how I was when I was a little girl watching television. Yeah. It was thrilling to, you know, and we wanted to see them compete and it was just all just good fun. It's being a mess. You grew up in Maine. Pretty as we would say in Massachusetts, way up there. Way up there. Above, above Portland. Yeah. And how do you go from Maine to LA? Oh, to be coming at a glamour television actress. To be the middle of the network stars. Okay. You know how I became an actress? It's because I had to pee. Okay. That's the story I've heard many times from many people. Yeah. Honestly, I became an actress because I had to pee. I have to stop it there. It's a great story. She had to pee. You're going to have to go back and listen to that episode. I believe it's episode 18 of the show. Still available on iTunes and on SoundCloud. Well worth listening to the whole thing. She is fantastic and I got to have her on my show, which is crazy. I'm just some idiot comedian from Boston and getting to meet all these amazing people that I had on my show. I'm almost convinced at this point in the clip show, we're like halfway through it. But you know, this would be the end of part one. Maybe it was the beginning of part two, if this were a two-parter. We'd have a commercial break now. You might still be in doubt whether I'm going to do the show anymore. Maybe I'm going to move away, go back to school. I don't know. But then Pete says yes. You have gotten to meet some amazing celebrities. People that you have watched in things for years and years. But you've also gotten to either reconnect or really get to know people who've been your friends for years. You've got to sit down for hours on end and talk to people that you've been friends with for years and learn things about them for the very first time. And in my very first episode, my good friend Mike Kaplan, a guy that we both started doing stand up together, had this amazing piece of information to bust out. Here's a thing that I've almost certainly told you before, but we'll tell your listeners, my cousin. Do you know the thing? He wrote the co-wrote Stephanie's book. Yeah, he was the ghost writer. His name is on the cover. So it's like Jody Sweetin with Jonathan Warren. Then the book title that he came up with unsweetened about her. Is that what got him the gig? Might have been. It was like the Torkelson's. Artificial Sweetener. And how about that? No. We've got it. Unsweetened. I believe I own that book in my collection of celebrity biographies. Everyone should. My cousin probably gets a few cents. Yeah. But from Mike's cousin. Yeah. Jody Sweetin doesn't get any money, but she just spent it on drugs. She's got a ton. Yeah. And if you're a listener on iTunes, the first eight to ten episodes of the show, for some reason don't show up on iTunes anymore. I think iTunes has like a hundred and twenty or a hundred and thirty episode backlog limit. The episodes are all up on SoundCloud and you can reach that through tvguidescounselor.com or just search that and they're all downloadable. So you can download the files there. Let me know though also if that doesn't work for you and there are old episodes that you would like to listen to. I could maybe put them back up in the feed. I don't want to do reruns. But if there's a need for it, I would happily do that. So please let me know at tvguidescounselor@gmail.com or can and I can read.com. I'm almost convinced. This may put me over the top. One of my favorite punk rock bands, maybe my favorite punk rock band, maybe my favorite band of all time, is The Damned. If you are not into The Damned, there's something wrong with you. They are what gave us the misfits. They gave us any gothy horror punk thing you like was invented by The Damned. They're a fantastic band, so many amazing records. Their first album was incredibly important to me growing up and I still listen to it frequently and somehow I got them on my show to talk about television. Dave Vaney and himself and I sat down and talked about horror on television. They were the band that when I first saw them on the young ones, I was blown away as a kid and I realized that this is what I like and it set me on the path that got me here today so you can either blame them or thank them. But somehow I convinced Dave Vaney and of The Damned to sit down and talk to me about old television. When I was very young, I was one of these kids that was very quiet so I could stay up late when the film was wrong, hoping that my mother would fall asleep. I turned the sound down. I was actually a lot of the old university stuff as well. The Hammer films, it's funny, it's some of the very early handfuls I've written on the quiet map stuff and the earlier black and white stuff they did. The more like a Hitchcock movie. Oh it's the unknown stuff like that and the sci-fi stuff and also they had some crime type of stuff that before I became Hammer just doing the horror stuff. Yes, there's a great one they made with Peter Cushing that takes place at Christmas time and it's about a robbery in a bank and I can't remember what it's called. It's very very tense and terrifying and I always noticed the stuff that we would get here from England. It was always sort of dystopian. Yeah. It was always sort of dark and even the kids shows, like the 70s kids shows would be sort of terrifying. They weren't really kids shows. No, no, no. So when I was funny enough I was watching small doctors stuff recently and I was thinking how it really didn't seem like a show for kids, you know? It's terrifying and our stuff here was so whitewashed and yeah, yeah, sanitized. Yeah, what do you think the difference there was, do you think kids in England were smarter or easy? No, I think it was more the actual shows themselves were just well written in a good show. Getting right down. And I think, you know, there wasn't any graphic violence or a lot of it was, you know, it's of camera and still the atmosphere would be so thick that it would be scary as well. Absolutely. I wasn't scared but the one thing about it is when I was a young kid and I'd see the old horror films, I was always fascinated by the actual things. Like the monsters? No, no, no, for instance, you know, like Frank and stuff and things like that, I wanted to live in the house, I wanted the house. So the gothic architecture? Yeah, right from the beginning. So to me it was not just the amazing films, it was the fact that I loved the atmosphere. And I didn't stop there. Parker Lewis can't lose one of my favorite shows. Fridays, the SNL rival was incredibly good as well, speaking of punk rock, had some amazing bands on Devo, The Clash, just generally better bands than SNL had, especially at the time. And Melanie Chardoff sat down and talked to me on my show and could not have been nicer. She is hilarious, a great actress, also really good at dramatic stuff. She's in a fantastic episode of episode run of Wise Guy with Jonathan Banks, who you probably know from Better Call Saul and from Breaking Bad right now that I recommend maybe go back and check out. But she sat down with me, couldn't have been nicer, we had a really amazing chat. She was also on Battle of the Network Stars, she dunked Tom Selick. So not only did I get an amazing guest who'd been on some of your things, but that's the second guest I had on that was on Battle of the Network Stars, which is crazy. I could take the bus to New Haven to do bandstand and to my go-go girl jobs, you know, I was a go-go girl for Phil Spector. Can you mention that? How did that happen? Well, I guess I was seen at a sock hop or dancing in Connecticut bandstand and some of his black girl acts wanted to cross over. Right. So the way he did that was by hiring two very wholesome go-o-ship white dancers. Right. And they were like, if they're hanging out with them, they must be okay. Yeah, a blonde and a brunette, I was the brunette. And we had our white French dresses and our white courage boots. And we danced in roped off little cages behind the Ronets, the crystals. On television? No. This was for mixers at Yale. Okay. Okay. And this is when he had just recently married Ronnie. Ronnie Spector. Right. And it was just a happening time. And then I was asked to dance with Gary Lewis and the playboys at the Peppermint Lounge, but I was not allowed to take the train until I was 16. Did you know Andy Kaufman from The Improvital? I did. Okay. So you did already know? It's a buddy. Yeah. It's a nice Jewish guy. And when we're doing Fridays, he used to go to the Fairfax High School track with me so I could run at night. Right. And he kept me company and he turned me on to macrobiotic food. Oh, her name. And so we hung out a lot. Sweet, sweet guy. Yeah. It was really a shock. And I thought he really did go too far. On that, in that sketch, specifically or just generally. Just about everything. With all the wrestling women. Yeah. I just think he turned everyone against him. Yeah. And that negative energy. I don't know if it had any influence on him. Yeah. I mean, it's almost like he knew he had a time bomb, even because he was meditating twice a day and eating macrobiotic food when he was in his 20s. Right. And it was almost like he knew there was a time limit. He was more in touch with what was going on with himself. Yeah. He sort of knew internally that he had to be very self-protective. So he was like, let's just burn it out, kind of, maybe. Maybe. Or he just knew that he was not maybe going to make it. I don't know. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. There were only three networks at the time. So obviously, there's millions and millions of people watching these shows. So you go from, you know, the pilots didn't get picked up or these guest roles, which were still large. But, you know, every week you're on the show for years and you're sort of the face of this show. And that was the time that you got Battle of the Network Stars. Oh, right. Battle of the Network Stars. Yeah. So how did that come about? Well, I had never seen it. It was a completely different genre. We fancied ourselves as extremely hip and a book, like normal television. Right. We weren't off the spandex crowd. And I know that the kids, the guys on the show said, oh, don't do it. It's just so mean. It's a prime time. Right. But my manager said, you know, this show is not going to run forever. We had to break it to you to start thinking about the future. You need to think about doing a mainstream kind of series. Right. So they talked me into it. And I had the thrill and delight of knocking Tom Selick into the water a couple of times at Dunk A Hunk kind of style with a baseball. And you're, so you're on the ABC team and your captain was Robert Yurek, I think, who has spent so far higher later. Right. I don't think you guys won that one. Oh, I have no idea. I thought it was so much fun getting to fraternize with all these people I had seen at events and occasionally on television until we had to play a touch football game and we were all lining up facing each other. And suddenly they were like flaming nostrils, flaring, really serious, and I got like scared and ran off the floor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because I wasn't working out. I mean, people were really working out in those days. We didn't have any time. We were shooting six days away and working in rehearsing, writing all the time. So I had played racquetball, but these people are like, right, they were working out. They're going to win this show. They had trainers. I was scared, shitless. Oh, I can imagine. I can imagine. And you guys probably felt somewhat removed from the, as you said, you know, primetime is almost like a slur around the, probably around the office. So that must have been extra strange to sort of be just thrust into that world all the summer. Yeah. Yeah. We fancied ourselves is so cool and above it all. And, you know, however, I kind of liked, you know, all kinds of people and I fraternized and had fun. Yeah. It seems like it would just be at the very least kind of a crazy lark to do for a day of some, like, I can't believe that this was great to be outdoors because I don't know. It's, it's not that glamorous shooting in what it is basically a basement room for six days a week. I did not see natural light. Right. We were in air conditioning fluorescent lit. It was like being in your father's tool closet. Right. And you're out in Los Angeles, which has wonderful weather and of all the places to be locked in a basement. You're not quite the best. Right. So we shot in Malibu at Pepperdine University and I had a day in the sun. It was wonderful. They let me keep all my athletic gear. Oh, yes. I have athletic gear and we had stretch limos. Each one of us had a stretch limos. That's pretty, yeah. That's, it's sort of, that show is one of the sort of last passions of the almost old Hollywood system. Yeah, right. We're still kind of treating things like, you know, it was the 1940s and it must have felt like, yeah, this is right. Yeah. I'm a big star. This is the whole thing. It was fun. I, you know, I didn't think it would be lasting forever. Also I found stretch limos extremely car sickness inducing because the front of the car would go over a bump and then five minutes later, you could go up in the back up into the air. And I always have like a comfort. It's not as comfortable. I always ask for a Lincoln town car when that's the opportunity. And then maybe one of my favorite episodes sort of in the first quarter of first half of episodes that this show did was when I had a Christian Finnegan on who is a New York comic but is from the Boston area. We had a really great long conversation. That was a lot of fun. Maybe the most laughing I've done in an episode and I really loved talking to Christian. But this episode, the day of the Badger Ball doesn't say what the Badger Ball is. Let's take place in Wisconsin, maybe. It's Long Island. There's a rich Long Islanders. Yeah. And Silver Spoons finds Ricky indebted to Derek for saving his life. And all Derek asks in return is for Ricky to find him a date, which proves to be no small task. Oh yeah, because who wants to date the rich, incredibly rich, wealthy, good looking kid? It's tough. In '83 it was tough. I also want to point out that their nerdy friend Freddie was played by one of my favorite named actors of the '80s, Corky Pigeon, which sounds like a Boston area elementary school insult. Corky Pigeon. You're like a fucking Corky Pigeon. Oh my gosh. Corky Pigeon. Kids are Corky Pigeon. So absolutely Silver Spoons is the move. Corky Pigeon, he just fell off the face of the Earth after that point. Oh. And it's a shame. A name like that. I wanted him to be a top build movie star. We have a weapon star. Yeah. That look both the title. Absolutely. Corky Pigeon is. Corky Pigeon PI. Yeah. C-P-P-I. 9 o'clock. Oh, you see it? Oh, but I would say, yeah, we were talking briefly before that, you know, I have a connection to one Alfonso Rivera. Yes. And this was before he was introduced to the series. Oh, was it really? The next season he got introduced, but he was the, that show kind of became about Alfonso Rivera. It did. I feel like people, you know, they have a vague memory of just Ricky Schroeder. Yeah. But people don't really remember Jason Bateman as much from it as much as they do Alfonso Rivera, which is. Exactly. And that's one of the reasons Alfonso was introduced to the show. So Bateman sort of was the breakout character of the first season, got it to your move. They needed a replacement. They introduced Alfonso Rivera. Oh, so he was only on one season. Bateman was only on one season. It was just on the first season. But everyone remembers them on the show, which is how memorable. That's crazy. Very low. Oh, interesting. But yeah, I was, you know, I did a hundred episodes of this show, Are We There Yet, which is funny because it's weird to think that there are kids who will have memories of that. That's their silver spoons. Yeah. You know, because I mean, I was, you know, I was very happy to be on the show and everybody was great and really talented and funny and all that, but it's not the kind of show I would watch. You know what I mean? It's it's it's different audience. Yeah. It's like doing that. So Raven or something. Right. You know, but it is just bizarre to think that, you know, some kid has some weird childhood memory that 20 years now, I'm like, remember Christian Finnegan on that show? Why did a show? He had a real cookie pigeon thing going on. Sadly, I don't think anyone bonds with a show, any one particular show, again, because there were options and things like that. Yeah. I think, as well, Peru, where they get where this where it's done. One channel. Is it there? Have you seen it dubbed in other languages? No, but I do know just from because I'll get, you know, a $14 royalty check or residual check, rather, and it'll be from, you know, Peru or Brazil. It's very weird. Yeah. Yeah. That's very weird. But Alfonso, he directed most directly. So it's not like like 20, 25, 30, something like that. So do they tell you, like, do you know who the director is going to be before that week? Yeah. Well, you'll hear coming down the pipeline. Right. I mean, Ali Leroy, who created the show, he probably directed 40 of them, you know, 40 or 50. And then Al probably did. Al called him Al. Did he say, "Call me Al." That's how he calls himself. But he probably did the next, and then Ted Lange. Oh, yeah. Also, Isaac from the Love Book. Love Bo speaking. Love Bo. He directed probably 10 or 15. Wow. Yeah. So did you, did Alfonso talk about silver spoons at all? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a very funny, nice dude. I don't think he liked me very much. Really? Why do you think that? He was kind of vibe. Yeah. He hates white people. No. I don't know. No. I just never really got the vibe. I think he liked me as a person. I don't think he got me. Gotcha. Comitically. Right? You know what I mean? Like, well, he's a sitcom guy. Maybe someone coming from the stand-up world is just like at odds with that kind of mentality. Maybe. I don't know. I think what it was is he's so good at sitcom acting, like that's his thing. But I will say it kind of reminded me a little bit of, you know, why they say somebody like Michael Jordan could never coach, or Kobe Bryant could never coach because-- He's too good. Yeah. And you can't-- and so he would just kind of-- he's the kind of dude who would give you line readings. Right. Do you know what I mean? Like, say it this way. Right. Because that's the way you would say it. Right. Do you know what I mean? It's not necessarily the way I-- you know, whatever. I can't imagine anyone would be like, "Christian's got kind of an Alfonso Ribeiro thing going on in this episode." He's constantly breaking out into this dance. Why in this episode have they suddenly shown up at a place called Burgers? I wanted to go to that restaurant so bad. Just Burgers? To hang out that they went to. Burgers? Don't even remember. Yeah. It was-- if you were at Burgers in an episode of Silver Spoons, it was probably an 80% chance Alfonso Ribeiro would break up and dance. Because it was just that area. Yeah. Yeah. It was like video games and Burgers and him dancing. Well, he's dancing with the stars now and is a big, you know, reveal, I guess, tonight even, or whenever that show airs. Right. He's going to do the Carlton. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a big press release. And of course, it was going to happen. And they're making it seem like we're going to get Alfonso Ribeiro to the Groken Vincen. He can't stop him from doing the Carlton. Do you do it on set all the time? All the time. All the time. I mean, he would act like, "Oh, I don't want to." And then you'd break into it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do it one more time. No one asked you to. If you're going to insist. Maybe because you never asked him to do it, that's why he was just like, "I don't like that guy." Maybe, I don't know. That could be. Was he the first person from a sitcom that you grew up watching that you met or got to work with? No. Well, probably, I mean, most of them were all on that show. I mean, you have to understand how many celebrities from '80s and '90s TV did guest bots and aren't we there yet? It's crazy. Cindy Williams played my mother. That's really weird. Yeah. That would freak me out. Yeah. That was probably, and it's funny because I kind of forgot about that until I just said it and I just kind of almost got chills thinking about it. Right. You know. And she's the date Andy Kaufman. Yeah. And she was this huge. And she's dark. She gets the joke. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. She's not Cindy. Whatever. She's not Shirley. Right. But that was really cool. I can't think of who else, any, especially any black celebrity from the '80s, J.K. Harry. J.K. Yes. Oh. I did an episode where she and I had sex. Really? Yes. Yes. I need to check your answer. I love her so much that you just blew my mind. Yeah. That happened very weird. We had it. There was an episode where we like hooked up and I serenaded her. I sang the song "Use Me" by Bill Withers to her. Excellent. Excellent. Did you get the falsetto going? There is no falsetto in that song. You should get a falsetto going for that though I think. Yeah. I wish they should have picked a song with falsetto. Yeah. Shouldn't have. But yes. But I did. But J.K. It was very nice. Yeah. Like she killed me on 227. She was so full of emotion. I had 227. I guess I was too white. I never watched 227. I mean. I felt like I wasn't allowed to. Like so I would be like, "Uh, excuse me. Are you watching black shows in here?" Yeah. This isn't for you. Right. I know. Yeah. That's fair enough. Although I did used to watch quite a lot of black shows in the 80s. I definitely watched like, "Amen 227, Different World." Yeah. Everybody watched Cosby. It wasn't really like a... I guess I was just kind of influenced racially in ways that I wasn't aware of. And you know. That's true. That is true. That is true. Yes. And also my mom was from Georgia. And her side, they were incredible races. Yeah. But it was never told. Like don't watch that. As you never would have occurred to me. No, no, put it on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to put on 227. That's not for me. It doesn't make sense. Exactly. She's really funny on that show. I would have been bold over to even talk to her and never mind have to have a sex scene with her in a television show. That is amazing. That may be the best reveal we've had on this show. I also got to kiss Paulina for it's go... Really? Yeah. Really? Which is pretty much like kissing Rick O'Kasek. It's almost. It's the next... It's the next best thing. It's the next best thing. You can't kiss Rick O'Kasek. He kissed Paulina for it. Was he on set just to make sure you didn't try anything funny? No, he wasn't. He unfortunately, I think that would have been creepy for everyone. Well, anytime he's anywhere. Now, do you think... Can you think of a less attractive celebrity? No. When I was in a punk rock band, when I was a teenager, and we used to play at the rat in Kenmore Square, which I remember a lot, and Rick O'Kasek used to come occasionally. Oh, really? So, he would watch the shows, and I was like 16 and like a hardcore punk rock band. I remember telling my dad once, and he was like, "Wow, so, are you going to produce your records?" And I'm like, "No, he's just a weird dude in the corner watching a punk rock show with a beer." But I think it'd be hilarious if you're on set and you have to kiss Paulina for it's feelable, and Rick O'Kasek comes up to you and is like, "I always feel like his Adam Zapple is going to talk on it's own." Yeah, it would, yeah. And it's just like, "You better not fucking try anything, buddy." Like, keep it professional. Yeah. Threatening my Rick O'Kasek would be good. But yeah, I felt... And that was actually one of the episodes that Alfonso Romero directed, and I remember he was really kind of like, "I had a hard time with it because I was supposed to kind of be like all over her." You're getting a lot of action on this show. I was. Well, you know, I was the friend. Right. I was basically the Larry from Three's Company, essentially, you know? The Ledge. Yeah, I always had a new girlfriend, blah, blah, blah. And I was supposed to make out, or like, kind of... And I don't know what it is about me, but I can't just paw at any woman. That's weird. I mean, you probably wouldn't do that in real life, I think. No. You know, and so it was sort of awkward. But I think she thought it was because like, she made a joke like, "Oh, it's because I'm old," or whatever. And I'm like, "No, it's not. I mean, maybe." Do you feel bad? Yeah. But up on the road, I just couldn't understand. He's like, "Dude, if it was me, I'd fucking tear your fucking shit off." Tear it up, man. No. I'm not going to do that. Sexually assault her. Action. What a weird direction. Do the Carlton with your tongue. Do the alphabet. Yeah. We'll be right back with a special goodbye from all of us at... No, I could present clips all day from 120, 130 episodes of the show. I won't. There's a lot of great episodes. I had a really great time recording them all. I actually, confession time, I actually enjoy listening to the show, despite not like hearing my own voice. I cut out a lot of myself in the episodes. Every episode you hear, I probably add out, add out, add out. I probably edit out about 20 minutes of me talking. Or if it's stories I've told before, just hatred of my own voice. My Boston accent gets out of control, something like that. I really enjoy listening to the show and it's mostly because it's almost like an audio scrapbook of sort of vacation slides. I listen to it and I sort of remember a good time I had talking to an old friend or a new friend or someone that I always wanted to meet and I continue to somehow get guests on the show that I can't believe talked to me, let alone about old TV. And I can't believe that you listen and I want to thank you so much for listening. I never thought this would get to 100 episodes that is insane. And hopefully I will get to another 100 episodes. It is not syndicated. I don't think there's syndication for podcasts. I also can't make more money on the show because I make negative money on the show. But I guess I could make more money if I made less negative money. Anyway, there's no ads on the show. So that's not a possibility. But this was the clip show. At this point I would say to Pete, you know what, you've convinced me, I'll continue to do the show. And I will. I continue to do the show. I'm looking forward to year three of the show, which will start in February. I am still trying to get some amazing guests on the show. I have some great guests coming up. I've had some fantastic guests recently that I think you enjoyed trying to get some more music guests on the show just to switch it up. People really enjoyed Lisa Loeb and Bill Janovitz and Chris Kirkwood on the show. So trying to get some more guests like that. If there's anyone that you would like to hear on the show, please let me know. Email me at Canadaikendread.com or at TVGuidens.com or at gmail.com or at gmail.com or you can tweet to me at accounts of your read or at TVGuidens. That's what I was thinking about the email. It's a little confusing. Or you can go on our Facebook page and I'll like the show. I do want to announce a contest. If you've made it this far, this is the point in the show where I will tell you that if you go on our Facebook page and like the page and post on the page your favorite episode or your favorite moment from the show. In the next week, I will pick a random listener and you will receive your choice of original shooting script from a wide variety of classic shows. I have out of this world, I get some MacGyver, I get some Magnum PI, there's all kinds of stuff from my own personal collection. I'm staring at this stack of scripts right now. That's a pretty cool gift that you will get as a thank you for listening to the show. As always, we will have new episodes of the show on every Wednesday, but keep an eye out for maybe a bonus episode this week. I'm not promising anything, but I am hinting to you. And subscribe to the show. You won't miss special editions of the show, speaking of special editions. From this point on, I'm going to just number everything the same. So if we have another Saturday morning special edition or a homesick from school or an up all night or a live episode, they'll all go into the numbering convention. So we can have a more accurate count of the show for really no one needs that. But it's for my own, I don't know, my own, let's just say bookkeeping. You know what? Let's just say don't worry about it. That's for me. That's my business. But I will do that because it's still going forward, they'll all sort of be numbered the same. But tell me what episode you like the best and you could win something. And I want to thank you again for listening. I would probably do the show if you didn't listen. It would be a little bit weird, but I would continue to do it. And I really love doing it. I've been doing stand up for 12 years now. And the year and a half that I've been doing the show is my favorite thing I've ever done. And I've gotten to do some cool things outside of this. But I thank you so much for listening. New episode next week. And hopefully you'll stick around. The clip show didn't turn you off. Another cool thing about the clip show. And this may be a -- I've never confirmed this. But in the days before reruns, I think that it may have been a way for writers and residual people to make a little bit of extra cash. If they did some clip shows, they would get paid again. If anyone has worked in the industry or is in SAG or the writer's guild or anything like that, feel free. You can anonymously email me if you want. I will not use your name. That is my theory that's sort of before the advent of cable and all those reruns. The clip show was a sneaky way to get a little bit extra money. I know there were always weird writers' guild rules. Like they had to have two scripts a season that were written by non-union people. And they could have had said something like they had to have a clip show in there. But also, as much as people don't like clip shows now or complain about them, they were generally the highest rated shows at that time. People really loved them. They enjoyed being able to look back at stuff they didn't get to see all the time. So it was kind of like looking through an ex-girlfriend's Facebook photos and remembering - actually, I'm not going to go down that path. But it was nice for people. They enjoyed them, believe it or not. It was a good time. I also want to point out there's been some great parodies of clip shows. Community did a fantastic one in season 3. And you sort of saw the clip show disappear in the 90s. It was sort of after the writer's strike and when the writer's guild rules changed after that, which sort of lends credence to my theory about there might have been some weird writer's rule. But again, no one's ever told me that. This is just pure theory. So anyway, that's my two cents. Thank you for listening. We will see you again next time, where I'll have a new guest. It will not be a clip show. And you will listen and I think you will enjoy. Thanks again. Take care. I'll see you again next time.
