We have a TV? No. I just like to read the TV guide. Read the TV guide. You don't need a TV. Hello and welcome to TV Guaddens Counselor. I am Ken Reed. I am your TV guidance counselor. This week my guest is Miss Phoebe Angle. Phoebe is a Boston-based comic, although she is from Maine originally. She's been around a few years and is one of the better comics that I've seen to come out of the scene lately. She's very funny. She is a very interesting person. I always like talking to Phoebe. She often brings me artisanal sodas, so I am a little bit biased, I will admit. Phoebe is a lot of fun. She is up for most of the weird shows and weird things that I've done on shows. When I was doing my secret menu show at the Comedy Studio, we did a very fun yearbook session. I think that's online. If it is, I will post it on tvguaddenscounselor.com and we had a fun conversation. So, I think you will like this episode. Sit back, relax and enjoy this week's TV Guaddens Counselor with my guest Phoebe Angle. So, what's on TV? So, what's on TV? So, what's on TV? So, what's on TV? Okay, I'm in there. Phoebe Angle. How you doing? Good, how are you? Great, this is fun, exciting. Welcome to my home for the first time. It's awesome. Oh, thank you. It's fantastic. This is what I wish my place could be, but I'm not organized enough. Someday it could be, I'm not very organized either. I just got more space when I moved from an apartment to a house, so that made it easier to look slightly more organized. Yes, so you haven't overbuilt yet. It hasn't overgrown. It sort of has. You haven't seen the basement. Oh, yeah? I like things. Oh, SDY, which is probably evident. That's great. So, you picked a TV guide. This is a little bit outside of my comfort zone. I know you said it and I did it anyway. No, but that's fine. It's from February 22, 1997. And I would ask you why you chose this one, but I think I know the answer. It's got Chuck Norris on the cover. That was part of it. I had narrowed it down to a couple, but then that was the main reason I really liked that one. Right. But then you pointed out the reason we chose it was... It's actually the week we're recording it. It's almost this exact date from 17 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, so someone who was born on the date of this TV guide could be driving by now. Yeah, it would be their birthday. It could be their birthday day. Yeah, it could be their birthday day. They could have been born during one of these episodes. That's true. That's true. The TV show that we're going to talk about. They probably would have been. I think that's true. This would be a great gift if you know anyone born in 1997. Yeah, you could put this podcast on like a chip of some sort and put in a card. So when they opened the card, it just plays this episode like a song. Or like frame it like we could just write it out and frame it in a glass case. Yeah, I think this is a good... I'm going to remember that. Yeah, this is a good scheme to make some money. So it says Chuck Norris kicks butt. The Texas ring and butt... This is unusual. This is unusual. It has the word butt on the card. On the cover? I didn't even read it. I just saw that. Chuck kicks butt. And if I can... With an exclamation point. Describe Chuck. He is kicking so far that you can see his butt from the front. Yeah, there's a front butt action going on. He's got very tight jeans on. Yeah. He actually had his own jean line called... This is no lie Chuck Norris action jeans. Oh my God, no more. Yeah, there is own brand of jeans for action. It says the Texas Ranger stomps the competition and hits his stride as the toughest guy in prime time. And I think that's indicative of what 1997 was like. That Chuck Norris was the toughest guy in prime time and that was a sad state of affairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I watched it nonetheless. Yeah, and the reason this is sort of my comfort zone is I'm significantly older than Phoebe. And so at this time, I was 17... I actually don't know how old you are. But at this time, I was 17 and I was hanging out of punk rock clubs and not watching as much TV as I did at the time. So I may not know as much, but let's get right into it. We'll go with Saturday now. Oh, maybe I can be the authority. You may be the authority, yes. This may flip it flop it. Yeah. What did you go with eight o'clock on Saturday? All right, this one's kind of funny. Mostly because I used to watch this in syndication when I came home. Okay. School, but they showed it at eight. At eight o'clock in syndication? No, like when I came home from school, they would show it at four. Right. But it was on at eight this night. I came on Saturday nights, it looks like. Yep. And I used to watch Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman, there was a very popular show and I know a lot of people that watched it. And I've never seen an episode of Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. Yeah, really? Yeah. I don't remember that much of it. I remember some of the plot. Basically, woman doctor in the olden times. And it's Jay Seymour, who I like. Jay Seymour, yeah. And so this particular episode, Mike Bryan and Baby Katie are held hostage at the homestead by a pair of bank rubbing brothers, played by David Carradine and James Keach. And Chad Allen was on the show. And it was on for like 12 years. Yeah, it was a pretty long time. I remember the only thing I remember about it was that it got canceled despite having high ratings. So the reason it got canceled was because the people who watched it were considered undesirable by advertisers. So it actually was the highest rated show at eight o'clock on Saturday nights. That makes sense, because that's a show that you would let your kids watch on a Saturday night. It was basically old women. Yeah. And they don't buy anything. And if they do buy anything, it's stuff they've been buying for 65 years and they're not changing their habits. So that's why they were like, oh, these people aren't worth our advertising. And out of everything that is in primetime, that is like a soap opera. Pretty much. Was it so good? Imagine. So now I want to drama. A lot of characters, a lot of drama, a lot of strong ladies. Well, you get David Carradine. A lot of like a demure sexuality. Oh, there's like, flirtation, but no real. Right. Nothing, yes. It's very family friendly or old lady friendly, I guess you'd say. Because normally at this time on a Saturday, there was a white Indian. Is that a thing? Is that like a white elephant? I can't get his name, but he was like, I hang out with the Indians, but I'm a white guy. Oh, so it wasn't albino or anything. No, that would have been so funny. Yeah, I would have watched a show about a frontier medicine woman and an albino Indian. That's already a better show, about 100%. Now, normally at this time, if I was home on a Saturday night at 8 o'clock, which is not something I ever thought I'd say, I would have been watching cops without questions. Yes, I'm watching cops later in the week, but cops is something a lot of mine is put together in a way that it was I switched over from when my mom was in the room. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So if mom's in the room, you're watching Dr. Quinn. When mom goes to the used the bathroom or refill her soda. Yeah, I was working in the other room. You're going to go with cops. Yeah, she did eventually like that I watched cops because my mom is a detective. Is it she still is a detective? She's a like a private detective? Yes. Really? Yeah. Is she ever an official police officer? No, she wasn't. She just kind of decided she was good at figuring stuff out and then got a PI license. How long has she been doing that? And then a bunch of defense attorneys and now... This is already a better show than Dr. Quinn. Your mom, main private detective? Yes, people kill each other in the woods. So she does homicide investigation? She specializes in homicides and rapes. Oh, okay. Not to bring that into it. That sounds like a weird schoolyard insult. Like, yo mama specializes in homicides and rapes would be something that... No, kids at school just didn't believe me. Right. And I have to be like, "Mom, tell them you're a detective." Because she wear a trench coat. She did have a trench coat. Really, really, fedora. She used to have guns too and she got rid of those when I was older. That's the opposite. Yeah, we had the youngest kid, but she had my youngest sister. She was like, "No, this is the one I care about." She was like, "I'm worried about this one." Because I always... For a while, I wanted to be a private detective. I think you can do it. I think you have the memory for it. But it's not any useful memory. So I took classes. I took, like, night courses for... I spent, like, $300 for, like, six weeks. Really? Yeah, and then before, like, the second to last class I was like, "Oh, this is a waste of time. I'm not going to do this." And it was just because I was reading a lot of Jim Thompson novels. Oh, you should have done it. And then he can serve subpoenas and just make money on the side. Yeah, but I feel like that most of it was just like, "Yeah, you're mostly just spying on dudes cheating on their wives." That's true. That's true. A lot of people would be like, "Oh, well, I have this issue." My mom really doesn't do that. So she doesn't do any of that. She won't spy on people. She's just going and figuring that out. No, she just mostly does, like, high-profile cases from time to time. Like a real estate with the rest of her time. Oh, okay. Real estate. So if there was a house... Oh, I see her scam here. Yeah. I almost got a murder happened in. Yeah. She's going to get the first tip that that's going to need to go off on sale. Oh, I should ask her if she's never done that. Yeah, that dummies perfect sense. Yeah, I think you're making my whole life is coming into contact now. It all comes together. Yeah. I do notice here that a show that I never watched, but Highlander was on, which was a terrible show. Yeah. Great movie. Great movie. Even the second one had its moments. Mm-hmm. I am always disturbed by Highlander for the following reason. When I was in college, I took avid editing, which is non-linear video editing course, because I was going for Italian production. Sounds fun. Mm-hmm. And they made us edit an episode of Highlander the series. So we had, like, 75 hours of raw footage of this episode of Highlander, and we had to edit it together in two episodes. That was our project for, like, the whole semester. So I saw this one episode of Highlander just over and over. Yeah. And so now you hate it. I did, but I also, uh, they just said we had to edit it in a way that made sense, and the edits were smooth, so I just redubbed all the voices as well, and put it in like a folk music. Oh, so you could edit it however you want it. Yeah. You could do whatever you wanted. Yeah. But no one else did. That sounds so much fun. Everyone else, like, got the actual episode and tried to make it look like that, and I just did something off. Did you get a good grade, though? I think I got, like, a B. Yeah. Your teacher wasn't, like, good for you for thinking out from the box. Yeah. Yeah. I used to, they only had one editing suite, and I commuted from school, and so I used to sign out the overnights, and they'd lock me in the building. 'Cause I was the only one in the building, and you weren't allowed to leave. And there was no one else in there, so I was in there all night by myself. It was kind of awesome. But could you not leave? You could, well, you could leave, but you couldn't come back in. You could leave, but you couldn't come back in. Yeah, because they'd lock you. Yeah. They'd lock the door, so you couldn't come back in. So I'd go to Abampan, which is a, uh, a bakery in Boston area, right before closing, and they would give me all the stuff they were going to throw out. And we weren't supposed to bring food in the edit suite, but I'd just sit in there. Yeah, but you'd be revealing what in there. Yeah, it was the only one in there. Yeah. I just stuffed my face with, like, day-old muffins, and, and added this highlighter episode. So, you know what? It doesn't sound like a bad life, but it sounds like you had a good experience with the highlighter, and maybe you didn't have a chance. Yeah, first I was like, that's a bad highlighter, but then I'm like, "Hey, you know, that actually doesn't sound too bad now that I set out loud." So you did pass up, uh, SNCC. You weren't a SNCC fan at this time. What was SNCC on? SNCC was Saturday night Nickelodeon. Oh, well, you see, I think we didn't say this yet, but I only had basic cable growing up in Maine, and some really fuzzy other channels, so I didn't have Nickelodeon at all. So even now, if we magically gave you Nickelodeon at that age, you still wouldn't watch it because you didn't know what you missed. Well, yeah, I, like, I don't know from right now, I don't know how to reference it because I don't know a lot of these shows. I used to go over to friends' houses and just want to watch Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon, I was like, they're like, "Oh, let's go do this." I'm like, "I want to watch your cable." Yeah, I think that's fair. Um, so 830, you don't have to pick anything because you picked an hour-long show with Dr. P. Minneson Woman. But I did make a little asterisk because I did like the show "Moesha." Okay, so you went down with "Moesha." And in this episode of "Moesha" is it's, uh, "Are you ready for Mo?" The supermodel with special guest, Robin Gibbons. Uh, that was at 8 o'clock. Uh-huh. At 830, though. It was followed up by one of my favorite bad UPN shows ever. I did get UPN and loved it. Did you? My mom liked that I watch UPN too. Watch. Homeboys in outer space. I don't think I remember that you could read about what's going on there. Yes. It was on after "Moesha." Uh-huh. Which very short lived surprisingly. Uh-huh. But homeboys in outer space, uh, Ty's Uncle Rolo dies and leaves Ty his estate, which includes the planet Indibut. That's the name of the planet. Where garments are illegal. But Morris joins a group of clothes wearing rebels. Shannon Tweed was one of the guest stars, which is kind of mind-blowing. I feel like they snuck this show under the radar and then someone found out about it. Yeah, this was in sort of the first or second year of UPN where they were really trying to see anything that stuck. Uh, one of the guys from the British show "Red Dwarf" was actually in, uh, "Homeboys in Outer Space," which was very weird. Uh, really awful show. Not as bad as Shasta McNasty, which was also on this time on UPN. Yeah, that was really bad. But "Homeboys in Outer Space" is, uh, just pollingly entertaining. It's, uh- I'm surprised I haven't heard of it. I just love UPN. It was very short lived. Yeah. Uh, and Shannon Tweed in this episode who, uh, is, um, the long-term girlfriend of Jean Simmons and a former Playboy playmate. At this time, she was really in the height of her, uh, Skinnamax Aaronic thriller phase. So this was a big get for them to get her on "Homeboys in Outer Space." Good stuff. Good stuff. Yeah, great stuff. Uh, I-I probably would have watched the second episode of "Cops" to be honest, but I'm intrigued by that episode of "Homeboys in Outer Space." So 9 o'clock, what'd you go with? Um, a show I don't think anyone knows, but I really liked 'cause I think I was 11. It was called "Early Edition." Oh, "Early Edition." I watched "Early Edition." Yeah. Yeah. It was the only- it was sort of like quantum leap in a weird way. Yeah, it was the- a guy got the newspaper mysteriously a day before. Yes, tomorrow's newspaper. Every day, so it was a future newspaper. Right. And he was burdened by it and had to go fix problems. Yeah, so it would be like, uh, "Young girl committed suicide yesterday." Mm-hmm, and you have to go talk to her. Oh, that's today. I have to go find her. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the only thing I didn't like about the show was it was a little bit God-heavy. Yes. 'Cause it always implied that it was like God giving him this newspaper. Yep. And I always wanted it to be a little more ambiguous. There was a little more God in TV in general back then. The late '90s was God-heavy. Yeah. Yeah. They kind of got rid of God by the early 2000s. Yeah, I mean that "Homeboy" is not a space episode. Mm-hmm. And I don't know if I could say that with the worst Boston accent. I don't know why I said "outa." Mm-hmm. But, uh, that was very God-heavy that episode. Yeah. No, not at all. That particular one? Oh, I thought you were talking about "Early Edition" still not "Homeboy." Yeah, so "Early Edition." So this particular episode, Gary Bufrenza, former cop, who believes he's Bat-Masterson. Trouble is, Bat-Masterson is itching for a showdown with the man he thinks killed his partner 10 years ago. So Bat-Masterson was a famous, uh, television cowboy. Okay. That was sort of a Western shootout. Mm-hmm. I don't remember that episode. But I'm always willing to watch anything that pretty much, uh, name checks Bat-Masterson. Yeah, I don't remember that episode either, but I assume they sought mental health care. Yeah, I don't remember what that is. I would have watched the show "Burning Zone," which was a UPN show. And it was about a, uh, a very... It was like a post-apocalyptic show about, uh, a very, uh, contagious disease. So this one, five American cities experience outbreaks of a disease marked by a hair loss and a catastrophic drop in metabolism. Mm-hmm. And this was... That's one thing I definitely watch now. Yeah, yeah. I think this show is a little bit ahead of its time. I only caught one or two episodes. It didn't really last very long. Yeah. And it was really weird, because it went mawisha, homeboys in outer space. And then this... And then burning zone. Yeah. Which was not... I think they were trying to pick up on, uh, the X-Files, sort of in the last legs, trying to get into X-Files. Mm-hmm. I'm watching that the next night. Didn't really work. Uh, all right, let's move on to Sunday night, eight o'clock. What'd you get? Simpsons, of course. Yeah, this time it had to be the Simpsons. I... I had kind of checked out of the Simpsons at this point, and we'll admit I was, uh, usually not home at a Sunday night at eight o'clock. Well, this is when it started to kind of go where I was, like, in the, like, 1997, because that's when every episode had a guest on it. Yeah. It was more about the gimmicks. And like, this was when Oprah was on the Simpsons... Right. And... It got a little lazy. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I probably would have watched it, but I agree. It was... It was pretty lit. And this one, "Murderous Convex Side Show Bob" is released to work for his brother, Cecil, when Bob... Ooh, Bob bested as the Krusty Sidekick audition. This was when they had started using Side Show Bob, like a little bit too much. Yep. Like he was just in it far too often. Uh-huh. I will say, though, that speaking of good... Is Side Show Mel the murderous one? Side Show Bob is the murderous one. Oh, Side Show Bob is... The Die Bar... Side Show Mel is his replacement. Yeah. I'm just trying to think back. And he married one of the sisters briefly. Yes, because he was trying to kill Bart, and that's when he had the Die Bart Die tattoo, which he said was just... And they... They did a cape-fear-themed episode. Yes. That's the episode with the infamous Rake scene. Mm-hmm. In the face too many times. Yes. Which got funny again. Uh, now touch by an angel was on this night. Yep. And I have that over there because my mom wouldn't let me watch The Simpsons. She did she make... Why wouldn't she let you watch The Simpsons? Because it's funny because she didn't... She would only catch glimpses of it and just seeing Bart being incredibly rude or like Homer being a bad man. She was a bad... I was raised by a single mother. Like, real woman power coming out of my house. So a single mother... And she was just like, "That is..." Is a bad influence. She's just like, "That is not..." But then she didn't like Bart. She thought Bart was bad. And then she watched an episode with me and she's like, "This show's great." Oh, so that's all it took. Yeah. But it lasted a long time and I'd have to be like, "It's a good show." She wouldn't listen to you. And my mom loves South Park now too. So she's come around. Yeah. She's come around a lot. But... Did she make you watch Touch by an Angel instead? I'm not sure how that started but I watched Touch by an Angel. It's weird. And I didn't... Which is weird because my mom is not religious at all. I thought that was... I think it was just a weird attempt at parenting. Right. So it was like... She watched Touch by an Angel. She has values. I don't know what went wrong. Yeah. So I never watched it. I did always think that the title was creepy. Yeah. But I was 17 at the time. So obviously I think that something called Touch by an Angel was funny. I just remember it made me aware of how horrible people could be. Yeah. I imagine it was like... It wasn't like hard enough. Yeah. Yeah. Heaven which was just depressing... A lot of AIDS. Oh yeah. A lot of people getting AIDS on that show. Well that was big at the time. Yeah. Yeah. This one it says, "Test visits the Green family and announces that God has a quote special purpose for Josh which includes seeing for Monica who's been temporarily blinded." Well that sounds like a ton of fun. They really knew what God wanted on that show too. Yeah. That's kind of weird to me. That is a little weird. The Angel of Death was kind of cute though. There was an Angel of Death? Yeah. But he was like charming and like had a kind face. I don't like that anymore. And but he was the Angel of Death. Was he an albino Indian? No but it was a very pale dirty blonde. That would have been a better character. Yeah. That's maybe the albino Indian. An albino Indian Angel of Death? I think we're supposed to sing "Native American." Oh okay. I think we're supposed to say, you know it's only impaired or something. Yeah. We're being... Yeah. Isn't that politically incorrect? Is it Native American? Yes. You can't say anything. I started it though. Well, but maybe I was talking about a person from India. Yeah, maybe. You don't know that. Yeah. Maybe I was too. We both were. Yeah. Alright. Let's do that. An albino. You know what? I've never seen an albino person from India. And I've seen them from Spain and China. You've seen an albino Chinese person? Yes. Where? I used to have someone who came into my store who was an albino Chinese person. She was very nice. That's a little weird. Well, I don't imagine she'd be a horrible person because she was an albino person. But she was like, "I was surprised she was really nice." Well, the albino I knew from Spain was kind of a dick. Right. But that's because he's a Spaniard. I mean, they're mostly dicks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, 8/30, I imagine you went with King of the Hill. Yeah. I loved King of the Hill. It's still a great show. Yeah. A really underrated show. None of my friends like King of the Hill either. What don't they like about King of the Hill? I don't know, but I loved King of the Hill. I love Bobby. I identified with Bobby. We all did at times. Yeah. King of the Hill is one of those shows that I would catch it sometimes when I was home. But now, whenever I see it on like Cartoon Network reruns, I always watch it and enjoy it. It's a great show. I used to really want to have an Asian best friend because of that show. Even an albino Asian best friend? She was an albino. That... But maybe you could have befriended the albino that came into the work and then you would have an Asian best friend. Yeah. You could call me Bobby. It's a thing here. Well, I have Asian friends now that I'm an adult, but when I was a kid I didn't have access to them. So when did men get Asians in 2006? They had them. They didn't go to my school. Oh, right. Yeah. It was a non-Asian school. I used to tell my mom that. I was like, "I don't have any Asian friends." And would she like... She'll come one day. Maybe if I watch The Simpsons I might have an Asian friend at some point. So King of the Hill this night was a concerned Peggy inadvertently spreads the word about Hank's butt with constipation, leaving her husband flushed with embarrassment. I remember this episode. Yeah. This is a good one. It's a guest voice on this show. Okay. Don't know what that is. When I was, again, in punk rock bands at this time, I used to hang out at this place called The Rat in Kenmore Square. I work in The Rat now. We've talked about this. Yes, you work in the courts of The Rat, and now it's a pretentious wine store. The building was torn down, and now it's a pretentious wine store that Phoebe manages. Yup. Come by, say hi. Yeah, come say hi to her. You can see where I saw many kids puke and make me go behind dumpsters. You told me a story about someone trying to shove someone's head into a fan. Oh, yeah. No, they did. Yeah. Yeah, there was a big fight when someone picked a big industrial fan and ripped the cover off and then chopped someone's head up with it. It was pretty exciting. Yeah. But there was a band at the time that was a bunch of skinhead dudes, and they were called all systems shop instead of go, which I don't think they noticed that it abbreviated to ass, but they used to open with the King of the Hill theme song, which was always kind of exciting. How'd that go? [SINGING] It's like, you know, like a hillbilly issue. Yeah. So I was always exciting, but because of that, I always associate King of the Hill with this, this scare Boston skinhead punk rock band. So at nine o'clock, what do you go with? X-Files. X-Files? I was so into the X-Files. I was a huge X-Files fan too. This was sort of the tail end of the X-Files. Although this was right around the time that the first movie came out. Yeah, but this is around the time when there was too much alien plotline and not enough. Yeah. Do you like Monster of the Week? Monster, plotline. Right. Or, like, supernatural. Right. And, like, that show God was OK. Yeah. Because it was just, like, God's doing some messed up. Right. And in this one, a green beret declared, killed in action in Vietnam, becomes the suspect when a lieutenant general was murdered by an assassin who seems to disappear at will. So this was a Monster of the Week episode. Mm-hmm, yeah. Now, do you watch any of the sort of Monster of the Week type shows that are on now, like Supernatural or Grim or anything like that? No, I've wanted to check out Grim and stuff like that. I've never seen Grim. I've been watching Supernatural for 10 years. Yeah. There's a new one with the kid from Dawson's Creek. I don't even know if that's on. Fringe. Is that Fringe? Fringe was on for five seasons and Fringe was the best sci-fi show of the last two decades. Yeah. People keep telling me, I should check out Fringe. If you like the Fringe. I just don't want time. I have to pick my shows so carefully. If you like X-Files, you would love Fringe. I love the X-Files. Oh, you gotta watch Fringe. Oh, God. I was such a weird kid too. When I'd come to school and I knew this one girl also sometime watched it, did you watch the X-Files? She'd be like, "No." Or like I'd try to explain episodes to people I'm so into it. I watched the first probably six seasons when they were on and then caught up with the others later. And I definitely went and saw the movie at this time. I was really into seeing the movie too. Yeah, I saw it on like a third date with this girl who was just like, "Why are we seeing this movie?" It was very unimpressed that we saw that. Because this is what I'm into. Yeah. You get the next shot up. Pick something else. Yeah. So yeah, I definitely would have gone with the X-Files this time, the hands down. But I will mention that on Bravo, the documentary "Hail,ail Rock and Roll" was on where if you like seeing crazy musicians, it is Chuck Berry being at his absolute insaneest. Okay. So I highly recommend that. But X-Files was the way to go. Monday night, eight o'clock, what'd you go with? I couldn't really find like anything. Nothing. But I found, well, Cosby. Okay. He was on all the time, though. Yeah. Still is. So this episode is on the 30th anniversary, Hilton and Ruth decide to renew their vows at a place she recalls as the most elegant wedding hall in Queens. So this was actually not the Cosby show. This was the second Cosby show. Oh. This was Cosby, which was based on the British show "One Foot in the Grave" where he was. I know remember this now. Yeah. This was just Cosby. Yeah. Although, Felicia Rashad played his wife on this show as well. So it was somewhat confusing. But this wasn't a bad show. It was a lot better than the Cosby mystery, which was his show. Yeah. Later. I don't remember that. Yeah. So I don't think that's a bad move. However, I would have been intrigued by Lance Burton, Master Magician. I saw that. I did. And I would have maybe switched over to it. He wasn't really bored with the long, drawn out magic tricks. Okay. So you just want the climax of the tricks? Yeah. I just want to see like a man floating or something. Yeah. So this episode, it's the most dangerous magic trick ever performed. In Master Magician, Lance Burton survived the death tank. And I assume he did, because I don't think he died. Nope, I didn't hear about anyone dying. There was the show Savannah on at this time. I don't know if you watched that. It was a late night soap. It was about, it was like very Southern Gothic, and this was the two-hour series finale was on of Savannah. Check out the hair. Yes. So on this one. It's a lot of hair from the late '90s. A lot of late '90s. Big hair. It wasn't Savannah. It was in the south. It was about 10 years behind. But this had Robin Lively on it, who's Blake Lively's older sister and was a teen witch. And it's Veronica Fleeze to Barbados, where she's intercepted, restrikes a final blow against her foes as she, Tom, Peyton, and Nick plan a lavish double wedding. Meanwhile, Sam's past puts Cassie in Jeopardy, and Edward works to clear his name, and in one couple finds their honeymoon's plan altered, another wind up at the altar. Ooh. A lot going on there. It's Savannah, two-hour series finale. You would not have watched it. So you didn't watch Melrose Place, either, which one was on? Nope. I didn't watch any of those things. I didn't really care. Yeah, it wasn't a big one. A lot of those type of shows. I didn't really-- I wasn't really into those shows either, I will admit. Or like Party of Five. My friends watch Party of Five, and everything I watched was like monsters or comedy. I think that's a good place to date. Or educational. Yeah, I think that's made you a better person at this point. 8.30, what'd you go with? 8.30, married with children. Married with children. Yep. Murphy Brown was on. Yes. But when I snuck over to Married with Children, same kind of idea as The Simpsons touched by an angel thing. Yeah, I think your mother shouldn't have let you watch Married with Children. It was this time especially just a terrible show. Yeah, I love it. This was a special episode. This was a one-hour episode. Yeah. This was-- It has a whole ad. Yes, this was the 250 episode of Married with Children, which is pretty impressive that a show lasted for 250 episodes. I mean, that's unheard of for the most part. Yeah. And this episode, it's Will, Al, and Peggy break up. We don't know. They may. They may not. But you did skip 8.30. You went right to 9, which was Married with Children. Yeah, it was double Cosby's. So you went with double Cosby? Yeah. Fair enough. But there wasn't anything else at 8.30. I probably would have gone with Inc, which was the follow-up show Ted Danson did after Cheers, where he was like a miserable newspaper reporter. Oh, yeah. That was a fun show. I watched that show. Yeah, I think a lot of people did. It was a pretty good show. He was before the white hair, right? I think he was white-haired. After Cheers, but before the white hair did. Yeah, it was-- No. I don't know. I'd have to look into it. I think you might be correct, though. So 9 o'clock, you're watching the Married with Children one hour, I'm either watching the Late Show video special, number three, which was a David Letterman primetime special, or a made-for-TV movie called Dying to Belong that stars Hillary Swank, Mark Paul Gosler, and Sarah Shaw. I saw the ad for that in there. Yeah. I mean, that looked amazing. The movies they were in before are like eight. Yeah, we have an Oscar winner, the second Becky, and Zach Morris in a movie. And here's the plot a college student uncovers a conspiracy of silence while trying to find out what really happened to her best friend who fell to her death during a sorority hazing ritual. I should also point out that the character Mark Paul Gosler is playing is named Steven Tyler, which-- They couldn't come up with anything else. But it made me really think how funny it would be if they did an Aerosmith biopic with Mark Paul Gosler as Steven Tyler. I would watch that in a heartbeat. That'd be better than an NYPD blue comeback. I would think so. Yeah. So we did miss Sybil at 930, which was a favorite show at the time. I also kind of watched-- I knew I liked Sybil. There's also on the Disney channel, which I got sometimes a Boys to Men concert. Nice. This was sort of in the tail end of Boys to Men's popularity. I know. That's why I thought it was interesting. There was a kid in my sixth grade class who had boys two men shaved in his head. So boys on the left side, big number two in the back of his head, and then men. Then he had men on one side. Yeah, he just had men on one side of his head. It's kind of like having hubcaps on one side of your car. Yeah. It's just like all someone's seeing over there is men. Men. They're not seeing. And then boys-- Forget all some confusion. With a Z, though. A lot of people just seem-- that doesn't make sense. None of it makes sense unless you walk 180 degrees around this kid, because you wouldn't see it all at once. But then just behind them, it's just a deuce. A big deuce. A big deuce. Yeah, I don't know what that would-- he had it for a whole school year. He was really committed. It's what he's keeping it up. He was into the new Jack Swing, and he wasn't going to let anybody-- I really liked boys to men. I still have that CD, and it still works. How many times have you listened to OnBended Knee in your life? Just the whole thing I'd listen to over and over again. Did you and your friends on graduation listen to End of the Road, and just be like, "Yeah." I don't think so, but I think now that I think if I think about it enough, maybe I'll make that the memory. Yeah, yeah. You can just lie to myself. You can rewrite memories. Yeah, I think you should. I think that's the way to go. Yeah. All right, Tuesday night, 8 o'clock, September 25th. Roseanne, no question about it. Is that what we'd be doing now, if we weren't-- Yeah, absolutely. I'm off Roseanne right now, on this night, and so this was sort of when Roseanne started to get not as good as Roseanne's. It started to get sad. Well, it did get sad, but this one at the hospital, the Connor's Colin specialist, as the fate of Darlene's baby hangs in the balance, and for the first time, they find themselves unable to help despite their wealth. So this was the year that they won the lottery. Okay. And so what happened, what I've been told, and this may be apocryphal, but Roseanne tried to make a U.S. remake of the show "Absolutely Fabulous," which I don't know if you're familiar with. Okay. She's absolutely fabulous, which is about two very rich women in their antics. The show was not picked up, so Roseanne basically created Roseanne as "Absolutely Fabulous." So she had them win the lottery and just be ridiculously rich. Yeah. So this is sort of towards the tail end of the, I've used the term tail end far too much in this episode, but sort of... What is it? Like a lot of like sitcoms are winding down and the reality is about to come. It's true. But it hasn't yet. It hasn't quite yet. We're just that pre-reality era. Yeah. And so this was the final season of Roseanne. It's the final few months of the show. And so the first sort of eight months of the show, they tried to do this sort of wacky, cartoonish, rich people thing. And then I think they knew their endgame and set for the last couple months when they was revealed it was all a dream and Dana died the year before. They started sort of sprinkling in these dark things like, you know, Darlene almost losing her baby. Yeah. All this sort of really bizarre stuff. It was pretty much a bum out. Did Dan leave her on the show? He did. So he left there and had an affair, but then it turned out that was all a made up thing that she made up writing and he actually died out of a heart attack before that. That was the final episode. But it revealed that the whole last, the whole show is just a made up thing in her mind after Dana died. Yeah. Yeah. Bum out. Bum out. I still watch Roseanne though. Oh, it's a great show. But this was probably its weakest season that they did pull up from a nose dive at the end. Yeah. But I, so I probably would have gone mad about you because there was a much better show this time. I saw mad about you on there. This is a great episode when doctors orders confined Jamie to bed on a day when the apartment has no heat, Sylvia visits unannounced and Nat decides to kidnap Murray. Who doesn't like Murray? The best dog on a TV show? Yeah. He had a dog walker. Yeah. Hank Azaria. They were worried they'd be judged for having a dog walker. Yes. Hank Azaria who was married to Helen Hunt at the time and does a lot of voices on the Simpsons. Yeah. Including Mo and... He has areas great. He was also in Godzilla, which I was thinking about today. Oh, the 1997 Godzilla? Yeah. Came out 1997. Yeah. There you go. Puff Daddy songs. And they're doing the new Godzilla remix to try to make it fun. That's why I got me thinking about it today with the looks, doesn't it? Brian Cranston's. Also, I wanted to know Novo was on at this time and I used to watch a lot of Nova. Yeah. You know, really, that's come up a lot where a lot of people watch Nova and I'm very surprised how many people watch Nova that I'm friends with in this one. It's something that turns out to be so wonderful that everybody wants it, says Fossil dealer Peter Larsen of a dinosaur skeleton in Curse of T-Rex, or a feeling look at the lucrative and competitive business of buying and selling prehistoric remains. That actually sounds pretty interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, the bone market. Yeah. Fossil market. Black market bones. Mm-hmm. Which are not bootlegs of the TV show with David Borianis. What would you watch at 830? Drew Carey. I think that's a good move. See, this is one of the nights when I used to just... Because we didn't have a remote control. So, you didn't want to get a change? We would just sit on one channel. Yeah. And sit on the couch. I think there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But I think Drew Carey was a good call. That was one of the better '90s sitcoms. Yeah. And this one never went to stand on ceremony, Drew vows to throw Kate a surprise shotgun wedding after she laments that one of the few states she never entered was that of Holy Matrimony. Meanwhile, a co-worker, played by Fred Stoller, who would get started on many, many shows at this time, stand up comedian, asked Drew to fire him. Yes. So, that was a pretty good episode. What you did miss out on was a very short-lived show called Something So Right, which Sarah thinks her kin-spoke or ideal candidates for a Lisa show on Blended Families, but Carly disagrees. So, Sarah, I guess the host guessed our Lisa Givens to try to change Carly's mind. I used to watch Lisa. There was so many talk shows. There was so many talk shows. Yeah. Like, big one. Lisa was good. Robin was another one, but Maury. Was Robin Robin Givens? I think so, right? There was so many from about '95 to '98 to '99, there were so many talk—everybody had a talk show. Gordon Elliott. I used to come home and watch him all from school, because he'd be there. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I used to watch Lisa, Robin, and Maury, but Maury, before, it was all— Yeah. He was the father. He had, like, feel good stuff on him. He had primordial dwarves on a lot at that time, which he would always be, like, really cruel to those kids in a weird way. Like, he would be like, "oh, kids at school make funny," to call you things like a funny face. Like, he'd just throw out these weird insults. It's what a weird dude. Make these kids cry. I remember there was an episode of Maury, where he had kids with Tourette's syndrome on, and there was this little fat kid with glasses who actually looked quite a bit like comedian Shaun Sullivan, who helped me come up with it, and came up with the concept for this show. But in this kid, I swear to God, I was faking it. It was a good time to bring him up. Yeah. But I swear to God, this kid was faking it, because, you know, the kids had legit Tourette's and they were, like, twitching and yelling, and this kid just went, "Connie John's a Chinese whore!" He did not! He kept saying that "or" and "or" again, and Maury Povich was like, "I know he can't help it. I'm not going to get mad. I know it's his illness." Oh my God. And I'm like, "this kid is totally pulling a scam here." Yeah. Oh, I just remember they was bringing on, like, really sad kids and then give them something. Right. And then they'd be happy. Because that's how you get mad at me. That must be how that works. Yeah. You just get something. I'll just have to remember that when everything goes to shit. Someone just give me something and I'll be happy. Or I'll just go on national TV and say, "Connie John's a Chinese whore" to her husband. And then I'll feel a lot better about things. Oh, what I really used to like would be, like, my pregnant life dress is too sexy. Yeah. You know what that was on? That shows like that. Oh, you know what used to, oh, Jenny Jones always had, had, like, unsish shoes. Oh, she got sued for that. Yeah. Like, 'cause someone killed someone else. And Scott, what was his last name? Yeah. He was a gay guy and he had a crush on his neighbor and he revealed it on the show, and then the neighbor killed him. Yeah, I remember. Not on the show, but it was after. Like, right after the show, though. Yeah, it was a big... And she got sued. Yeah. And they didn't do those ambush shows anymore, which didn't last too long. But yeah, that was the huge controversy. Jenny Jones. Do you ever see her stand up? No. Yeah, she started as a stand up. I'm going to Google that now. Yeah. She was on Star Search quite a bit. Yeah. Jenny Jones. Also the Goth Kids. Yeah, Goth Kids came up a lot better. Goth Kids. 'Cause I was like, I wasn't Goth, but I liked Black. Right. You know? Which is Countess Goth in Maine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you didn't wear the normal Abercrombie and Fitch. Right. So, and they'd be like... LL Bean. I just remembered, yes, everyone does wear LL Bean in Maine. It's not a stereotype. But I didn't straighten my hair either, or, and I died at Hot Pink, that's true. They'd be like, "Yeah, but she does great in school," and then talk show hosts would be like, "So what's the problem here?" Yeah. She can look like that. She wants, yeah. I don't have her problem. I used to dye my hair like a dark blue at this point, like a superman blue, which... Nice. I did that once too. Yeah. I did like the tips. Yeah. It is the blue. Yeah, with the manic panic. Yeah, manic panic. Mine was a vampire red that came out fuchsia. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It never came out like you wanted it to. Yeah, but you gamble. Yeah. Oh, it's always a gamble. This is what it... Something like this. Yes. I think one time, with a full-on lie, like the topic was... I think that happened a lot. Yeah, the topic was you do lie to women to pick them up or something. So he went... He called these two girls that he knows and told them to meet them at this bar, and then he went with a hidden camera, and the show didn't know any of those girls. And he was like, "Just made up these ridiculous lies." Like he said, he was in a car, his cover band called The Boston Traffic or something. And then he's like, "Yeah, I picked them up, Ricky." And I did it with both of them, and then it came out, and it was really funny. And that was a 1997. So at 9 o'clock, Tuesday night, what did you watch? 9 o'clock, Tuesday... You know what? I wrote this down because I didn't like this show, but I had to watch it. It was home improvement. I hated home improvement, but I also had a sister. And you said it's a big fan? That seventh heaven, I paid it for both of them. Ooh. I'd rather watch... I'd rather watch seventh heaven than home improvement. The only redeeming thing about this episode is that it does have, I guess, the parents by comedian Blake Clark, who I always liked. Oh, yeah? That's a big fan of the clown. Yeah, I definitely would not have gone with home improvement. At this time, there was not a lot of other options. I may have watched the first half hour of a made-for-TV movie called Night Sins. Night. Yes. With Valerie Bertinelli and Harry Hamlin. And it says, "The conclusion begins with a reporter, Mariska Hagerty," before she got famous again. Questioning Agent O'Malley and the police chief about their whereabouts at the time of a suspect... The time of suspect committed suicide. That sounds a lot less depressing than home improvement. 9.30, what'd you go with? Spin City. Yeah, absolutely Spin City. I like that show. It's a great show. It's a really funny show. Like a big box? Michael J. Fox is great. This episode has a guest appearance by Amanda Pete, who seems to have disappeared. She was like a big thing for like two years and then just disappeared. Yeah. Spin City. No question. Great show. All right. Wednesday night. Middle of the week. The Grammys were on. And I... Did you still watch the diss? Like the ward shows. Really? Do you still watch the ward shows? No, but I check in on them. See, I don't like watch them. I don't know who anyone is anymore and I just don't care that much. And so I never watch any of the ward shows. I would have checked out by then. I would definitely not watch the Grammys this year. I did watch the MTV music and MTV VMAs until about the year 2000. Oh, I definitely don't watch them anymore. I like watching like, I think I just like the acceptance speeches and the outfits. Okay. People like ball gowns. And stuff. But he doesn't like ball gowns. I mean, come on. This year was hosted by Ellen DeGeneres, who... I like Ellen DeGeneres. I don't really like her that much. I like the... I don't like her now, but I like the Ellen show. The... Ellen? Yeah. Ellen. Yeah. I liked Ellen. I liked her friends and I thought that was a fun show. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You got Bruce Campbell on. Yeah, yeah. She's still hosting awards shows. Yeah. And she's dancing in commercials. Oh, it's very annoying. So this one, the person they choose to showcase in the ad for the Grammy Awards is Babyface. Oh, Babyface. There he is. Babyface. Ellen DeGeneres returns as the host of the 39th annual awards ceremony honoring excellence in the music industry. At press time, four of the five nominated artists for Record of a Year are set to perform, which include Tracy Chapman, Celine Dion, Smashing Pumpkins, and Eric Clapton with Babyface. Other scheduled highlights include the presentation of the Hall of Fame Awards to honorees ranging from Ray Charles, Miles Davis, Miles Davis, and The Beatles to George, Gershwin, Gene Autry, and Louis Armstrong. And some of the presenters slated include Kevin Bacon, Cheryl Crow, Gloria Estefan, Aretha Franklin, and Best New Artist nominee, Leanne Rhimes. Oh, wow. Well, that is a pretty exciting night. Leanne Rhimes. Yes. She's too skinny now. I, uh... Does she still do music? I haven't heard it. I think she was acting for a little bit. Was she really? She was either dancing or skating with the stars. But regardless, too skinny. Yes. I would have gone with Antiques Roadshow. I think I would have watched Antiques Roadshow instead of the Grammy's event. This is always on. Yeah, but I... Oh, like it. Or the movie The Stunt Man was on, which is a great movie directed by Richard Rush, who directed one of my favorite movies ever called Freebie and the Bean. The Stunt Man was on its 2 and 1/2 hour movie. I probably would have watched that instead of the Grammy's. Yeah. I liked the Grammy's back then. So here's what you missed out on the WB that night. Oh, what I miss? The Sister Sister. Did not like Sister Sister. Nick Frino licensed teacher. The Wayne's brothers and the Jamie Foxx show. That's what you missed out on. I watched the Wayne's brothers when I could. I hate them. I didn't get that channel. You couldn't get WB? The sister's just like... The sister's just like... Yeah. I think I got it sometimes. But it wasn't consistent enough to watch it. Yeah, but Sister Sister was on like an syndication forever and I never liked it. I didn't like it. I should also mention that Law and Order was still on then in this particular episode. Before it broke into like SVUs and stuff. Yeah, this one's called Hooker Housewives. That's what this episode of Law and Order. Also Murder She Wrote was on and I really liked Murder She Wrote. Again, a lot of my friends have been surprised at how many watched Murder She Wrote. Was that a show you watched with your mom? Yes. That was like our show even when I was like eight. I used to stay up late and watch Murder She Wrote with her. Do you think that's what inspired your mother to be a part of that dev? It's watching Murder She Wrote. Yeah, so I could do this. I think she just wanted to be Murder She Wrote. I don't think the character was named Murder She Wrote. Everybody was like, "My name is Angela Murder She Wrote." What was your name on the show? I don't remember what her name was. Miss Murder She Wrote? I think it was Mrs Murder She Wrote, yeah. That and also it's funny. I don't think shows do this anymore because they realized it. Murder She Wrote and Walker, Texas Ranger, the crimes always happen to their close personal friends. Oh, yeah. It was like every... It was always personal. Yeah. I've known probably way more than your average person has known people who've been the victim of crimes and I am like 1/100th of a main character from a Walker, Texas Ranger or Murder She Wrote. Yeah. I would just not know those people. I'd be like, "Dude, you've got bad luck and I'm going to either you move or I move I don't feel safe. I don't know if that would be the main reason I wouldn't hang around with Angela Lansbury and Chuck Norris." I hang out with Angela Lansbury, not Chuck Norris. I don't think I could stand hanging on with Chuck Norris. He's very short. Oh, I'm sure he is. He acts like a short guy. Yeah, it's kind of puffed like a phantom rooster. No one would have a beard for that long if they weren't a short guy. Yeah. He probably doesn't have a strong chin. No, it was a big hat and the Walker, Texas Ranger. I like, you know what show I like better that was on around the time I was a Walker, Texas Ranger was, oh my god, I'm forgetting the image show, but it's martial law. That was the name of the show. It was really great and it had, oh my god, I'm blanking on his name. He was in the Seven Little Fortunes with Jackie Chan and you and you and you and it's not Cheyenne Fat and he was in Skinny Tiger Fatty Dragon. Oh my god, I'm blanking on his name. Oh no, Ken. I know, I can't believe it. I'm so disappointed in the movie. He's an actor. He's a very good martial artist and he was in this show called Martial Law. That was on at the same time as Walker, Texas Ranger and it was a much, much better show. Oh man. Well, I used to walk. It came after early edition, so I would just keep watching it. Fair enough. Fair enough. So Thursday night eight o'clock. A lot of AIDS on that show too. A lot of AIDS on Walker, Texas Ranger. There was a kid with AIDS. I remember that episode who was the kid from, I'm blanking on his name right now, the Sixth Sense Kid. Oh, Hayley Jolloss. Yeah, that was like his first role, but he was like a little kid with AIDS. I've told this story on the show before, but I feel appropriate now. There was a kid in my school who was very sickly looking. Yeah. And all the other kids used to call him boy with AIDS. They would call him that, like that was what he was addressed as. Yeah. So like in gym class, they would pick teams and they'd be like, all right, I guess I have gym. And they're like, I get frank. And then be like, all right, I guess I have boy with AIDS. Yeah. And then the kid would be like, oh, okay. I was convinced that like there were like lots of kids with AIDS that I needed to be nice to. Oh, yeah. They constantly told us tons of kids had AIDS. Yeah. And so it was just like, oh no, I feel bad. And they'd be like, we'll be your friends, even though you have AIDS. And I'm like, but what is it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They wouldn't tell you what it was, but you knew that you should feel bad for these people. Yeah. Yeah. That was all with the '90s we're all about. We're in with what they need to feel bad about. And then later we find out how you get it. It's like sex and needles. Yeah. And we're just like, oh, that's a winner of those things. Well, they, all these kids have blood transfusions, that actually, because I don't think that is. Our parents, Haley Joasmine's character, had like a parent. Well, we all have a parent. No, with the parent. Oh, it's passed on. Yeah. So because that'd be bad if it was like, Haley Joasmine had like a needle in his eyes. I was like, get me some ladies. So eight o'clock Thursday night, what'd you go with? Oh, no. We missed nine o'clock, which was rescue 911. That's right, because I picked a movie that was on with the Grammys. Yeah, rescue 911 was fantastic. Which made me want a dial 911. Did you ever dial 911? No, not as a fun, loving child, but as an adult who needed assistance. You have dialed it as an adult. I work at a liquor store. Oh, so you have the people coming in? You know. Stop it on the Bacardi calls. I've never, my cousin got some Bacardi. I never once dialed 911. I used to work at a restaurant and this woman came in late one day and they asked what happened and she said her son, who was maybe seven or eight years old, had a, wouldn't go to school with the clothes that she had laid out for him to wear. And so she came out and her son handed her the phone and it was this cop and he goes, yeah, your son dialed 911. And then he goes, he said you were trying to make him wear clothes that were too fangy. So that's, that's a real story. So this kid called 911 and said, my mother's trying to make me want to fangy clothes. And then she had to deal with that. That's why she was late. Yeah. That was my only firsthand 911 call. No, it was always like kids or someone being a hero, but then I called 911, but they would act. They were the actors in the re-actors. Oh, they really did. They'd play themselves. Yeah. That was always good. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always loved how they would play real tapes of the 911 calls, but have just comically bad recreation. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. So that's what we do on Wednesday. Yeah. On to Thursday, eight o'clock. What'd you go with? Thursday was the Mussy TV. Mussy TV. So you went with friends. NBC all night, but then I saw a movie at the end, this particular night, but yeah, I went friends suddenly Susan. I hated both of those. I wasn't allowed to watch friends until my, until everyone was like, your name's Phoebe, you have to watch friends. So I told my mom. Really? Oh, you probably got that all the time. It was because no one would leave me alone because it was so popular and also no one else had heard my name before, so I was capturing the ride. Phoebe. Right. Phoebe. Right. Before Charmed came along. Right. And everyone was like, you're just like her. And I watched it. I was like, no, no. Charmed is a lot better to find Phoebe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a better one. Magic School Bus is better too. Yeah. I definitely wouldn't have watched, watched other of those shows. I think I would have gone with, on Bravo, they were showing the movie Local Hero, which is a Bill Forsyth movie. It's a very, very good movie about Scottish Fishing Village that's being taken over by Texas oilman. And I didn't watch that movie. Sounds like the Scots, of course, kick-ass. Yeah. It's really good. It's a good comedy. Yeah. And Peter Capaldi is the guy who's the new doctor. Who? So I would have watched the first hour of that. I will mention though, on the Disney Channel, there was a thing called Yogi in the Invasion of the Space Bears, which sounds pretty great. I'm not quite smoking pot yet in these years. You wouldn't need to if Yogi in the Invasion of the Space Bears is on. That's done on the work for you. So 8/30 watched suddenly Susan, which was Brooke Shields and Kathy Griffith. I liked Kathy Griffith. I couldn't stand the show. I just don't know what it was. I just couldn't watch it. It was... I tried. And I don't mind Brooke Shields, or really Kathy Griffith for some reason. It's very whiny. It's a whiny show. This particular episode has a guest appearance by Rosie O'Donnell. So it's Susan and Vicki, a prayer on the Rosie O'Donnell show, after gaining fame. Is this when Rosie O'Donnell was done? She had a talk show. And I think she crazied her way off the talk show. Probably, yeah. When she was talking about how her big crush on Tom Cruise all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wouldn't have watched that. Nine o'clock, I imagine you went with Seinfeld. Yup. I definitely also would have gone with Seinfeld. It was a repeat, but this is a great episode. An employee's military bent scares a lane, Kramer cooks for a Jewish singles night, Jerry Fung's fault with his girlfriend's mentor. Jerry Fung's fault with all his girlfriend. Yeah. AJ Langer is in this episode, who was on my so-called "Life" and was in Drexel's class and People Under the Stairs, a very underrated actress. Also in a great Charles Band horror movie called Arcade, about a killer arcade machine. Did you see it? Which is pretty exciting. I'm surprised you haven't seen that. I mean, that was a huge movie arcade. And at 9.30, what'd you go with? Here's a show on-- I probably did watch it called "The Naked Truth." I loved this show. Yeah? What was it? It's not what I watched, but it won't remind me. It was Taelyoni, who I loved. Oh, I liked Taelyoni. She's great. She's married to David to company. Oh, I completely remember the show now. She was in a couple of sitcoms, so she was in a show on Fox called "Flying Blind." That was before this, which was pretty good. But this show was great. This show went through a couple of different iterations, "The Naked Truth." I think it was on for about three seasons, which you basically put in a tab note. And I liked this. It was a great show. It was really weird. And she felt bad for some of the people that she would write about in the tabloids. Yeah, so it started as a celebrity tabloid. Okay. But then, as it went on, it became a weekly world news type tabloid. So this was one at the time when it was a weekly world news type tabloid, I believe. So Nora, who was Taelyoni, throws a barbecue to celebrate an increase of 20,000 in the comment circulation, but the fire goes out when she learns that Les has been buying the additional copies himself. So George Went was on this show, he played Les, he was the, I believe the editor of the newspaper, and it got really weird. It was a pretty underrated show, and it was really funny. Taelyoni's very funny. I think she's underrated as a comedic actress. No, yeah. I like Taelyoni a lot. I've seen a bunch of movies with her in Italy. She's kind of, has she been in stuff lately? Not lately, actually. She was in a movie where her and Jim Carrey stole stuff, and they were rich people who stole stuff. Were they stealing hearts? No. Maybe each other's. Not mine. Yeah. I didn't like Jim Carrey. I don't care if any of them. But Taelyoni, I'd like to see more things. I think she should be in more stuff. Yeah. She's in Spanglish. I haven't seen Spanglish, but she's good in Spanglish. I don't know. I don't know. I don't see him. I don't see him. I feel good to feel good movie. Right. I remember her in that one with, what's his name? He's nuts. Nick, Nick, Nick Cage. I don't like Nick Cage. And he's like, he's married to her. I was really bad. It wasn't called The Stepfather, but it was called like the something very bad. So 8 o'clock on Friday night, what do you think? Well, Thursday at the end of the night ended up watching Mad Max. Oh, she wants the last top follower of Mad Max instead of the Naked Truth. No, that's the first film in the Road Warrior trilogy. Have you seen all three? Yeah. I thought that was interesting because a lot of not a lot of people know Road Warrior was Mad Max 2. Right. A lot of people don't even know about Mad Max. But this time, at this time I believe this would have been when Mad Max was still airing here with Dubbed Over Voices. So when that movie-- It's because it's too thick Australian. It was Australian. Right. They dealt the Australian. They dealt the Australian. So for almost the first 20 years, the only version you could see in America had all dubbed over voices and it wasn't his real voice. And it wasn't until really like the early 2000s or it might even be the first DVD release of Mad Max that we got the original Australian soundtrack. I had no idea that that was even a thing they did. Oh, yeah. They would do that a lot. They would dub over English language movies. But-- But in like an American accent? Yeah. Hellraiser. The original Hellraiser movies. It's a British movie. Yeah. But there's a lot of American accents dubbed over for some of the side characters. A lot of Australian movies that happened too quite a bit. Oh, good to know. Yeah. One of the funniest instances though is Andy McDowell is in a movie called Grey Stroke, the legend of Tarzan. And she has an awful voice as you well know if you've ever heard Andy McDowell speak. She's very southern and they had like a very posh English woman do her voice. Yeah. It's her first film role and she doesn't do her own voice. Andy McDowell, she's a model. She's good here. She doesn't have very good hair. So 8 o'clock Friday night, did you continue with their ward shows and go with the 13th annual soap opera awards? Oh. No, I didn't. I didn't do that one. I did. I'm boring. You can probably guess what I did. Sliders. T-G-I-F. You went with T-G-F? This was at the real tail end of T-G-F. I know. I think this is like when I'd watch and I didn't even want to. Yeah. This was when Erkel had fully taken over family matters. And I didn't like Erkel. That was the people I liked, the person I liked on family matters. Who did you like on family matters? I liked everyone else. Like the dad. Carl. Yeah. He was a good kid. And like as a young woman I liked Laura. And like as Erkel got bigger I was like Laura you're kind of a jerk. Yeah. Well Erkel. Especially when Erkel turned into Stefan. Stefan. Yeah. I mean you always liked him because he was hot. And I was like you would have a lot going for you Laura. This was a... Was he hot though? I mean he was hot. He wasn't. He comparatively. Yeah. So this episode. He was smooth though. He was smooth. And that's what ladies like. Smooth. They didn't have to be attractive as long as you're smooth and you have a French sounding name. Stefan. So... And a Czech last name. And a Czech last name. And this episode is a crossover between family matters and the game show Supermarket Sweep. So in this one Eddie alters his jeans, alters his jeans and his G-E-E-N-E-S. Yeah. As in DNA. Yep. To compete on a game. Yeah. To compete on a game show unaware that Brainiac Erkel is also one of the contestants and it has a guest appearance by David Ruprick, who was the host of Supermarket Sweep. I liked Cross Up Records. But this is far too fantastic. Yeah. We have gene-altering machines, cloning, it's just too much. I would have watched sliders at this time, which was a pretty great show at this point. Did you watch sliders at all? It was sliders about people who could go into different times. It wasn't different times. It was like alternate universes. So it was Jay O'Connell. Yeah, and he used to get these to like glow when they would go. Sort of. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was aware if I didn't watch it. So this is the conclusion. As doomsday looms, Quinn and Maggie race to find a suitable parallel world, but discover that Rickman, who was the bad guy, was played by Roger Daltry from The Who, has a deadly ulterior motive for finding such a world. So that was a fun sci-fi show that I definitely would have gone with. Dave's World was also one at this time, which was Harry Anderson's follow-up to Night Court, which wasn't quite yet. I'm watching Night Court later, but yeah, I remember, I was seeing that, and I was like, "I know I watched it, but I can't remember what it was." Yeah, it was a good show. So at 8.30, I assume you went with Boy Meets World. Yeah, Boy Meets World. This was not the best season of Boy Meets World. This is when it kind of became sort of a friends rip off at this point. I love the description of this one, though, because I remember this episode affecting me. So we'll say, when Eric learns his girlfriend, had a son, he's confident, he's mature enough to handle the relationship and their responsibility, but too scared to tell his parents about it. Wasn't he like 16 at all? This is when Eric's in college. Okay. And like, somebody is like, I remember because now I understand that like, "Oh, that was just a plot device," because they needed something to throw at Eric in college. I just thought as soon as he got out of high school, people had kids. People had kids? Yeah, that would really freak me out. So, because like, he was like a freshman of software in college, as far as timeline should go. Like, teen moms, but have it be an adult? Yeah, it was a single teen mom that he was dating. But she was now an adult. Yeah, early 20s. But the kid in that episode was like five or six. Yeah. And so I was just like, "This doesn't make any sense." I don't know anyone. Like, I know it was like 12 when I watched it, but I'm like... Were there any teen pregnancies in your high school? Actually, not in my high school, but the boarding school I went to. There was a teen pregnancy. Yeah, because I stopped watching TV as soon as I went to boarding school. Yeah, it's difficult to watch. Educated by a lot of the stuff I'd have, like, interest their play sports and stuff. You did things like a real human being instead of by characters. And like, I'd have to fight over the TV in the dorm. Right. And they wanted to watch like Survivor or like Sister, Sister, and I hated those type of shows. Yeah, I know. I mean, Survivor and Sister, Sister, it's basically the same show. Yeah, but yeah, we had like teen pregnancy at that, and that was interesting to see how they handled it. Yeah, because we did they make her leave school? No. I assume it was her. It was a day student, it was a day student, because we had like, borders and the people who came. Okay. And so we just kind of pretended it wasn't happening. Didn't happen. Yeah, we don't, I don't think we had any teen pregnancies in my high school when I was there. At least that I knew about. Yeah. Pretty nosy. But yeah, it came up quite a bit and sitcoms. Yeah. It was a famous episode of Silver Spoons with a teen pregnancy that was very controversial. Yeah. Now that's all that TV talks about. Yeah, there's whole shows about that. But there's characters on like every, on like teen shows now? Yeah. There's always teen mums on the teen shows. You know what? The only show I really remember seeming realistic was there was an episode of the original Degrassi High. Mmm. I never saw Degrassi. Did you see the new one? No. Oh, you've never seen any of it at all? No. I actually started watching Degrassi when it was called the Kids of Degrassi Street, which was pre-Degrassi Junior High, and then I watched Degrassi Junior High and Degrassi High, and I started watching the new Degrassi, but I kind of trailed off. Okay. Because I was like 25 and I think I had to watch that. Teen dramas? Teen dramas. I remember there being a lot more teen shows with, I think they must have just been on during the day. Yeah. There was a lot on during the day. Yeah. I think Nickelodeon had quite a few on. There was definitely a lot of them. Yeah. Well, we'll do some after-school special editions of the show at some point in the future, but yeah, there wasn't a lot of proud-time teen shows. So nine o'clock on Friday, what'd you go with? Um, I switched off TJF because they're having some kind of Disney movie thing. Yes. And I hated them. The 25th anniversary party hosted by Rosie O'Donnell again, Michael J. Fox and Drew Carrey, along with Melissa Joan Hart and Will Friedel from Bournemouth's World. Yeah. I didn't watch it. I watched music videos and MTV. Really? So you missed out on Millennium, which was the follow-up Chris Carter's second show after X-Files. And what a great show it was. Do you ever see Millennium? I remember they had ones with the, what are the geeky guys from the- Oh, the lone gunman? The lone gunman. I tried to watch the show. Really after two episodes. Yeah, the lone gunman wasn't that great, but Millennium was really, really good. Millennium was about a guy played by Lance Hendrickson, who hunts down serial killers, and it took place in the same world as the X-Files. They actually tied up the series in X-Files episodes later, but it was a really, really great show. In this episode, in her role as a clinical social worker, Catherine, were you a clinical social worker? So you could have really experienced the show from a different level. Are you just saying that? No, I did. No, I did. I said, no, I'm not joking. I wasn't in grad school for social work, and I dropped out to just, I was going to make more money. Because you just, like, I don't want to- No, I realized I'd graduate being a ton of debt, and I would make the same or less than I do, managing, like a social worker. Right, right. Well, fair enough. It's a very similar kind of thing. But this one has like aliens or monsters. I would have stayed with it if I knew I could do that. Well, the first season didn't have as many aliens or monsters, it was very monster of the week, and then the second season got a lot more fantastical. Okay. This is the first season. In our role as a clinical social worker, Catherine leads her expertise to a heinous case. The slangs of the recently bereaved Lance Henderson is in it, who is always great in everything. You should check that show out. Yeah. I think you should watch it now as an adult. I think you really like it. Especially if you're an ex-files fan, and a former clinical social worker. Yes. Is that just your character? Yeah. She was a social worker for- Yeah. She was Lance Henderson's wife on the show. Okay. She was a guy who worked for this thing called a shady organization called the Millennium Group. They would call him in as a consultant for weird murder cases, and he would get into the mind of the killers. It was all leading up to the actual millennium. It was a very doomsday show. That sounds really cool. I think you're watching that show. It was a really cool show. It was a really cool show. At 9.30, you went with a rerun of Night Court. Yup. This was- I liked Night Court. I love Night Court. It's one of my favorite shows ever. This was- Night Court was over by this time and ended in '92, but there was a hockey game on, and so if the hockey game ended early, they would fill in the time with this episode of Night Court. It was Bowl's bachelor party who turns into a disaster because Bowl was getting married to not Joy Behar. What the hell was her name? She's a stand-up comedian. Oh my God. I'm blank. And 80 stand-up comedian, very curly hair. Not Joy Behar. Wasn't me. Wasn't me. Someone can correct me. I'll remember it later, but she played a blind person on the show. Their character was named Joy. Okay. Um. Oh my God. I'm trying to remember, too, but I'm terrible with names. I can't remember. So yeah, that's not a bad one. But he's one of those characters I still remember. I liked Bowl. I was just a character. He was just kind of like a big dumb, friendly guy. Just like the dumb character. I don't know if I showed it to you. Would you remember when Bowl had a ventriloquist dummy of himself on the show Night Court? I've seen a picture of it. I have that dummy in my office right now. Yeah, he used to do- you're definitely going to show that to me. Yeah. It's pretty cool. I'm not the lawyer on that show. Joe Maricat. Yeah. Dan Fielding. Yep. Do you just like the swinging hot shot? Oh yeah. Night Court lawyer with all the ladies. One the most Emmys anyone's ever won for a comedy series from Night Court to the point where he asked them to stop nominating him. He's very funny. Yes. So that is the whole week that we've got through. So as you know, Phoebe Engel, the TV guy doesn't just tell us what's on. It cheers and it jeers. All right. And so I will read you the cheers and jeers of this week and see if you agree or disagree. This is a rare week. Yes. First of all, one is a X-Files specific cheer. But this is a rare week, a rare, completely positive week for TV Guide in that there are no jeers. What? We have four cheers here. I don't believe it. So number one, cheers to Supernatural Satires. We love the episode of The Simpsons that brought X-Files agent Scully and Mueller to Springfield after Homer witnessed a shimmering phantasm in the woods. And I remember that episode because I was so excited about it. Yeah. I imagine you would have to. Because those were my two favorites. Yeah. You'd have to agree with that. X-Files and Simpsons. And then second, cheers to an exacting X-Files lookalike. A graphic reads 9.57 p.m. outside Topeka, Kansas. A farmer stares transfixed at a light moving in the night sky. Two trench-coated operatives approach the man and ask, intently, "Serge, you feel like you were taken to another place where you've gone a long time. They've been searching for what caused the man's catatonic state and the camera cuts too." A Milky Way rapper. They're cheering this Milky Way ad that was inspired by the X-Files. That's annoying. So you're cheering that? I'm cheering. Yeah. Disagree. All right. So cheers. That makes me think that Milky Way is like in his butt. That's a little weird. Although I see where you're going with that. They went to probes with that. You think that the Milky Way ever uses a probe of some sort? Yeah. I mean, there's probably not all the aliens or butt aliens. Like the aliens don't know what to do with the Milky Way. I don't think that... I don't think X-Files ever covered butt probes weirdly in the 10s. I think they alluded to it. Do you think so? It was just... They could... If they were... They'd be like, "I woke up my clothes around backwards." Right. And they're like, "Pfft, Milky Way butt." Yeah. Yeah. So cheers. That sounds really gross with the Milky Way butt. But if you're ever going to be out back restaurant... No. Oh, they have a very unfortunate named dessert called the Chocolate Thunder from Down Under. They know what they do. But they don't. And every time I laugh about it, they're like, "Well, I don't know what you're talking about it. I don't understand why that's funny." And I don't think they know. Yeah? I don't think they know. So cheers to great performances. Bette Midler's Diva Las Vegas on HBO was deliciously baroque, blend of music, choreography, and body stage pattern. I would have watched that. Are you being Bette Midler fan? I like Bette Midler. I watched Bette Midler. I'd watch that. I'd grew it that year. Yeah. And finally, cheers to Stang the Case. Heraldo Rivera's obsessive focus on the trials of OJ Simpson paid off on the night the verdict in the civil trial of the former football great was announced. This is when he got convicted of the wrongful death and had to pay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that took over the TV in these years. Oh, yeah, absolutely. During that pre-prime time. Yeah. I went to watch the Simpsons, but they were like, for some reason, court, OJ court was on TV. This is when court, the original OJ trial. Well, before you can watch the whole thing on the internet or go over to like CNN.com. Right. They'd be like, "You want to watch this instead of whatever you're watching." Right, right. Right. Now, Heraldo is like an old man who like takes nudie selfies. He's always been a creep. Yeah. Yeah. Not a big fan of Heraldo. So you would disagree with that cheer for Heraldo just because he's a creep? No, I'm fine with that cheer. Okay, you're fine with that cheer. Yes. See, Heraldo, I would have thought would have put... He's the person who should be covering that nut. I feel like Heraldo puts Milky Way's in people's butts. I think he would be more than... And then blames aliens. No, I don't even think he blames aliens. Yeah. I think he'd take full credit for it. I think he'd just be like, "Yeah, I did that." Mm-hmm. I'm a Heraldo. What are you going to do about it? I think he's that kind of guy. Yep. He's a mustache. Yep. Well, we've creeped. We've uncovered some pretty exciting things to see. The jeers, though. The jeers usually, when you read them out of here, is it just like, "This is bad, don't watch it?" It's usually not, "This is bad, don't watch it." It's usually like, "Jears for not having any black actors on your show," or like, "Jears for covering this news story in a way that was wrong." Okay, yeah. Yeah, it's that kind of stuff. All right. Good to know. Yeah. But rare, all cheers week. Yeah. Both. Chuck Norris on the cover. Chuck Norris kicks butt. Yep. And we come fulsor. Yeah. Yeah. Chuck Norris. Snakeskin boots. Snakeskin boots. But kicking with the... I'm getting close to the mic. Yeah, that's right. Like, his kicking with a huge smile on his face. Oh, he's very exciting. He looks insane. Yeah. And he's got... Like, they're revealing pants, but nothing's being revealed. No, there isn't. I don't know if anyone's there. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, kicking butt might just be trying to dislodge a Milky Way. Yeah. It's Chuck Norris. It's like... Yeah. Thank you so much for doing the podcast. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. our listeners enjoy. I'm sure they will they've they've learned so much. Bye! Main zone freebie angle by way of Boston. Very funny she's been doing a lot of festivals lately so look out for her in your town if you have a comedy festival in your town which it seems like most towns have these days. 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