In this special bonus mini-episode of the show, Ken welcomes Louise Post and Nina Gordon of the band Veruca Salt to the show.
Ken chats with Louise and Nina on their tour bus before their Boston gig about the heaven of 70s TV, growing up on East Coast vs. The Mid-West, the dark ages of cable proliferation, Happy Days, M.A.S.H., depressing theme songs, The 1973 Made-for-TV movie "Sunshine", the dark content of 70s TV aimed at children, the mystery of Beverly Archer, Halloween is Grinch Night, Jonathan Winters' pumpkin head, Sha-Na-Na, the birth of Nostalgia, 20 year cycles, Terri Nunn: Teen Actress with a bad rep on James at 15, the importance of The Bionic Woman, questioning Lindsay Wagner's well read status, TV negotiations with siblings, Star Trek vs. The Brady Bunch, living in a Brady Bunch genius den, being bumped from SNL by Sting, the sexy factor of Lee Majors and Gordon Sumner, The Monkees, crushing on Davy Jones, Cybill Shepherd :stunner, TV theme songs as your first favorite song, The Carol Burnett Show, Mama's Family's fall from grace, Eight is Enough and the mystery of its theme song, seeing you father in the face of Bob Newhart, rules around TV watching for children, getting your children to watch black and white shows, I Love Lucy, Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, The Dick Van Dyke Show, Daniel Tiger, how one obtains old TV movies, Dolly Parton's speaking voice, turning down your own variety show, wanting to make a Playboy After Dark for the 90s, Hoarders, boycotting TV in the 80s and 90s, offending Justine Bateman, Nina's confusion around The Sausage The Mouse Clever Elsie The Golden Goose and Tom Tit Tat, and finding comfort in All in the Family and Sanford and Son during the "Heinous Hiatus".
[Intro Music] Hello and a happy Friday to you, I am Ken Reed and this is TV Gatton's counselor I want to welcome you to the show this is a fun little bonus mini episode. I was lucky enough to grab some time with Louise Post and Nina Gordon of the amazing Veruca Salt last week when they had a stop in Boston. They are an incredible band I imagine you are familiar with their work or maybe checking out the show for the first time because you are a fan. If you are welcome I think you'll enjoy this little chat. This show has been going about a year and a half. I am a stand-up comedian based out of Boston, Massachusetts and essentially the premise of the show is that I own every edition of TV Guide. Someone goes through some old classic issues of TV Guide mostly from the 70s and 80s and sometimes 90s but sometimes we go outside that and we discuss what they watched growing up and it's a great time. I always enjoy talking to people about this sort of thing and this episode is really no exception. Louise and Nina could not have been nicer and as I said I've always enjoyed their music and I assume you do too. If you have not heard it for some bizarre strange reason I highly recommend that you check it out. They have a brand new album out called Ghost Notes that came out a couple weeks ago. It is very very good and they were excellent playing at the Paradise in Boston. I don't know if they have any more tour dates posted yet but if they do I'm sure they will soon you should definitely check it out and I will share it on tv guidance console dot com and on our Facebook page and all that because you will want to see them. Now on to this episode we recorded this on the tour bus before their show in Boston as I said talking about some great 70s tv. We got a couple of scoops I think. There's a few things in here that I hadn't heard before about the band especially related to tv so I think you will enjoy it so sit back relax and enjoy this week's extra bonus episode of tv guidance counselor with my guests Louise Post and Nina Gordon of Varuka Sol. Hello thank you guys so much for doing this. We are a pre-show here in Boston I've applied you with a stack of of tv guides based on my approximate guess estimation at your ages. We're in heaven. We really nailed it. Okay so we're got like mid 70s here and you we're talking mostly Saturday mornings and a variety shows came up there is some stuff anything that really jumped out immediately. Oh my god I'm I'm all about the prime time I mean I'm just I don't know what my mother was thinking when she let me watch all this tv but I watched it all. Yeah did you have cable or anything or were you just met with me? There was such a thing as cable. Did you both grow up in the Midwest? Yes well Nina partially in the east coast and then Midwest. Right so I moved away from New York right when cable started in New York and we moved to Chicago yeah slowly made it. We moved to Chicago where they didn't have cable in the city for like until the mid 80s or late 80s because they had like pipes from 1851 so they couldn't get in there. So you're watching the networks and you're watching prime time all the time with your mom and you're like my mom should not have let me watch this stuff or just that volume. No I mean no I'm grateful that she did because I have such fond memories of these shows like I'm looking at happy days and Laverne and Shirley and so all the Gary Marshall stuff. Absolutely and then Mash. Yeah one of the great shows. A fantastic show and weirdly a show that a lot of kids watched but if you said now oh show this 10 year old comedy about the Korean War you'd be like I don't know if that's appropriate. Right I found I found Mash so depressing just the sound of that theme song. Oh yeah well it's called suicide is painless which I mean is one of the most depressing titles for things. Right and it's interesting that you found a depressing because you have often described yourself as a child wanting to go there like wanting to feel the pain wanting to experience it and like gravitating towards things that made you feel and we've talked about that like how as a kid we want to steal someone. No this was a series based on look it says based on the hit movie so they tried to make a series based on a movie we've talked about which was Sunshine which Louise and I totally bonded on you know hundreds of years later about how as young girls we were just completely riveted by these stories of disease and like children losing their mothers. Do you know how often I think of that movie? I do too. I do too. I think of it because it's dark as did she die she died of ovarian cancer or something. Yes. The 70s were dark times. So dark. So dark but I didn't realize so it says Clifty Young is a widower with a child to raise and a living to make sunshine. I think we wrote a motorcycle. Yeah. Well what was the seven? I had the book of evil at Europe. I think of it all the time and I think about that relationship between a daughter and a father in relation to my daughter and her dad. Yeah. And I think I want them of course I want to stick around for it. But I don't want to die just for this. I want them to have that closeness. Yeah. You know. Have you showed them that movie? Oh god no. Yeah. Do this without the death. Except every Disney movie is about parents you know. Oh yeah. The parents die in every movie and I. Oh yeah. The primal child that fear of just being orphaned. I wonder if a lot of the stuff they hadn't quite figured out how to narrow cast directly to children yet. So they were kind of writing it just. Some of them might have been ignorance where they didn't know how to make shows for kids that made money. Except for on Saturday mornings. Right. Right. And it wasn't such a crazy careful world and it wasn't such a world of litigation and there wasn't there wasn't enough concern for sure about what children should be exposed to and yet there was because it was there was less censorship. There was more for us to watch and you know cry. Right. I mean some of that too was because you only have the four networks so they had to make stuff that appealed to a whole family and families watch TV together. Fair enough. Whereas now you know your kid can watch whatever they want on their phone alone at any time. Not on my phone. I have no idea who Beverly Archer is and I don't remember a show called We've Got Each Other. Do you? That was a very short-lived show. That's I think 1971 or '71. Oh yeah. We were. She was one of those people that showed up on game shows a lot. Like she would be on like what's my line. Oh god. Hollywood Square. Yeah. And you're like I don't know who just perceives outside of this show. Right. Oh Louise look there's um the Grinch look. Oh hold on. You got the Grinch. Is this a Christmas issue? Yeah. The Grinch. Oh my god. Did you ever see Halloween is Grinch Night the sequel to the Grinch? Oh yeah. That's what it just was. I don't actually remember that. It's so disappointing. It is nowhere near as good. Jonathan Winters is a pumpkin head. Well we all know that. She just she wasn't even reading that. That's just a statement. And here's Shanna. Something about Shanna. Now remember Shanna. Oh they had a variety show. Oh do I. Oh do you. The fifth Bowser from Shanna. Now I had a variety show that was produced by Gary Marshall I think. Was it really? Yeah. It was not the best show but it was that weird. The 70s is when nostalgia kind of was created so you had that 50s nostalgia for the first time and then it went in the 20 year cycles. So was that really the first time? Yeah. In the 70s with Happy Days and Greece. Exactly. It was always the 20 year cycles. Teenagers were basically invented in the 50s. Before that you like at 17 got married and were an adult. Right. And then they were like these kids can be uh you know we can they can spend money and they'll go see movies about monsters. Right. So the the nostalgia of the baby boomers started in the 70s and in the 80s there were 60s nostalgia 90s. It was all 70s. Early 2000s it was 80s. It's very very weird. Right. And now now it's the 90s and here we are. Yeah. We have to take a picture of Patty prayer doll. I will. Patty the prayer doll. Look here's the girl with the bad rep James at 15. I love Jeremy and Terry none. Terry none of Berlin. No. She was a teen actress before Berlin. Yes. Yeah. She plays. There she is. She's beautiful really funny great actress and she never really acted that much after that. Oh my god. Where is my brother? I have to spend a little bit of time with these books with my brother. Absolutely. She that James at 15 was such a great show shot in Boston and set in Boston and was sort of a precursor to things like my soul called life and freaks and geeks and didn't talk down to teenagers. It was one of the first like dramatic teenager shows. I loved that show. I still holds up. But yeah. Terry does it. Yeah. Terry none has a bad reputation on slipping around. That is crazy. I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge that I am currently staring at bionic woman and the six million dollar man. Yes. Both of which were very important television shows for me. Were you big on the Bigfoot episodes? That seems to be the ones. Oh yeah. No, not so much. No. That was not my gig. I loved the I mean I loved the fact that she emerged from the show from the six million dollar man. Yeah. I got her in spinoff. And that she was the spinoff and that she was the girlfriend and that she also was electronic. She was bionic. Yeah. And I mean I worshiped her. Of course I thought Lee Majors was a babe. Yeah. Well he's a handsome man. Well yeah. And she was so beautiful. Yeah. She was so fresh and natural and smart and strong. And she was like recently was she smart? Yeah. She's fairly smart. She is. Yeah. She's got the she's got the bionic brain. She could solve. She could go with bronze. She could do with brains. It was she seemed like well read. Yeah. I think so because she probably could read more often than other people with bionic eyes. It didn't happen Lindsey Wagner who was well read. But it came through. Yeah. It certainly did. And I mean I had to watch that show or if I didn't if I didn't if I came to fourth grade without having watched that show I wouldn't be able to play with all my friends because we had to reenact the entire show. I made the best sound effect of the bionic. Oh my god. I mean I I don't remember. It could have been me. It could have been my friend Brookie or my friend Julia. Did you have siblings? Oh yeah. Yeah. Were you the youngest or oldest? I am second to youngest. I'm a younger brother. Sort of like we're sort of like Irish twins. Okay. Soon after me. I have an older brother Kenny and I have an older sister Nancy. And my younger brother Eric and I were we were partners in crime with television. We watched all the same stuff. So you didn't have to like negotiate for your favorite shows. That's always. Oh yeah. Jim and I did. We had one there was a phase where we had one tv when we were little and at six o'clock on the east coast six p.m. Star Trek was on at the same time as the Brady Bunch. Oh that civil wars have started. Yeah we had a really rough time. And obviously you were the Star Trek fan and he was. He was. And but Star Trek was an hour Brady Bunch was only half an hour. So sometimes the compromise was he got to watch half an hour unless it was the trouble with tribbles in which case I wanted to watch it because it was about like cute little cuddly. It's funny to this day. He's still only seen the last half hour of every Star Trek. I think he even went to a couple conventions but he wouldn't want me to tell you that. I can cut that out. Yeah that's fine. Good thing you didn't. So you guys when you the first time I remember seeing you guys was on tv I think it was either Letterman or Saturday Night Live I forget it was probably Saturday Night Live or it was at 94. We definitely said yeah we didn't do Letterman because Louise. It was one of the late night shows. The disc. Oh my god we were we were slated to do that. Yeah it was scheduled we had to cancel because you slipped a disc. I have repressed that. Sorry to bring up such a bad memory. But it was one of the I forget the late night show then maybe it was the tonight show. We played Saturday Night Live. Yes. Sting was the other. It was two musical guests right. Sting was yeah and he bumped us because he wanted to play a song so we only got to play one song. Oh my god did they when did they break that to you? Like in between the dress rehearsal and the live show and the thing that's crazy is that we may have the honor of being the only band. I heard somebody told me that Third Eye Blind went on and played only one song but that was apparently because they sucked so bad that we're going to cut the other. We're going to write a sketch right now. Yeah but in our case we were slated to do two songs as is every band. It has every band for the last 40 years and between the the dress rehearsal and the live show Sting I guess went to Lauren Michaels and was like I think I'd like to play a song or whatever he said I can't do his accent. That sounds like Sting. Um no I sound yeah right um and so he played an acoustic song totally impromptu and we got bumped for our other song. I mean I guess of all the people that we bumped for. Sting is okay. Well I'm here's the thing. I mean I grew up with his poster on my wall. I saw the synchronicity tour. I was a huge fan and you know after Lee Majors it was all about Sting. Me Majors and Sting. That's pretty good pedigree. Um however I mean however he should have known we were a young band give you a chance like he should have known that that was not. Sting has enough. Exactly he had enough. Maybe it was a song he started 20 years ago that was just tantric and he wanted to finish it. It had just taken that one. It was the one about Barley. Remember that one? Fields of Barley. I'm still waiting for my letter of apology. It'll come. It'll come. So did you watch music on TV growing up? Because you didn't have MTV. Well let's talk about the monkeys. Yes the monkeys was seminal I think for everybody. Oh yeah right. That show was so important because the music was great and it also I think taught us all sort of a history of show business because it was very knowing and winking and went forth while breaking and yeah funny and sweet. Wouldn't you say that it made you want to be in a band? It made me want to be in a band and it well also I think it was like my first real crush. Tell me David Jones. David Jones was your I was always a Mike Nesmith guy. My kids so my daughter loves Mickey Dolan's most of all. I pushed the monkeys on them all the time and I met him a couple months ago. He weirdly watched me do stand-up. It was very intimidating. Was he crotchety because I've heard he was he was not so kind. I mean I think he was had been lubricated a bit to enjoy comedy for the evening. So he was somewhat good in mood. But you know he's earned the right to be crotchety as has sting. That's true. I mean they you know he's done with an exactly crotchety. He was just a tiny bit crotchety. Was he a little crotchety? He called us Veronica Salt. Veronica. If anyone should know Veruca Salt it would be someone who grew up in the north of England. One would think. Look how pretty Sibyl Shupford was. She is one of the most stunning women of all time. Look how gorgeous she looks here when she was going to be on the Mike Douglas show. I love that she has a little baby show. Oh wow yeah she looks amazing. That was probably the last picture show era that she was on there. She's someone who did all these dramatic roles in films and then in the 80s was really funny on moonlighting. I feel like we don't get that as much anymore where you have someone you know a film actress or actor who then goes on TV and does really crazy comedy stuff. Which is kind of exciting. This is the most fun. So the monkeys are something that was like a first musical introduction. Oh my god the songs are great. Yeah they really are. They're great. In the second season they would be like we have five minutes left. Here's Tim Buckley. Right. Like here's Frank Zappa. Right. It was such a weird introduction for a show that was sort of weirdly aimed at kids. Such a cool show. And I think you have really like my heart hurt. I love Davy Jones so much. Me too. Me too. And you must have loved the Brady Munch episode that he. Oh god yeah. Well you know the crazy thing is the house that I live in now we just moved like four months ago. Yeah. In Los Angeles. Was the house that well first of all Bella Lugosi lived there but that's not the exciting part for me. For me the exciting part is the writer who wrote the Davy Jones episode and the Marsha Marsha Marsha episode. So a genius. Lived in our house for 30 years and down in our guest room that was his office and that's where he wrote Marsha Marsha Marsha and Davy Jones. That's pretty exciting. You could just go in there and just absorb the magic. Yeah. You know we could do a show like the monkeys and I don't mean star in it and we could just make that happen. Yeah. Let's do it. You should do it. Girl don't you walk on music and things to say. Well the interesting thing too is I think and I always ask when a musician's on like what their favorite TV theme song is because for kids who can't buy their own music yet the music that they first love is a theme song and one of the reasons I've discovered talking to people that they watch a show every week is is to hear their favorite song at the beginning of the show every week which is a phenomenon probably lost. It's so true. Although isn't orange is the new black like doesn't that have a. That's Regina Spector. That's a good song. People like that song. Yeah but this was you know yeah it's true like the theme songs. The theme songs were great. They're so important. And then with the advent of Seinfeld it came that doong doong you know. Well slap bass ruins everything. Well no but it was also about like not wanting to waste time like precious advertising yeah minutes on a theme song so and also getting right into the show so that you don't get bored and switch the channel. A 30-minute sitcom now without commercials is 20 minutes. Up from throughout the 70s and 80s a 30-minute sitcom without commercials was 25 minutes. That's right. So we actually have five more minutes of commercials yeah so they can't they can't waste a whole minute on a theme song. No way. Especially one that tells us the setup. Can we talk about Carol Burnett? Carol Burnett Show did you watch it as much as I did? Absolutely. Yeah. I loved it. Oh my god she was the best. Tim Conway. And of course we all waited for them to crack up. I love mother. I didn't like to spin off. Oh mama's family might be my least favorite sitcom about time. Oh it's terrible but mama was the best. While she was in the Carol Burnett Show right. Well the pedigree of that was so much better and then that show was a show that was on a network for one season. They canceled it and went into first-run syndication and those are the extra cheap ones where nobody from Carol Burnett was involved. We were clan of hand wasn't on anymore and it was just like this is the worst. Oh yeah that was a bummer. It petered out in a big way didn't it? Yeah absolutely. But what about um let's talk about eight is enough. Love it. Can anyone sing the theme to eight is enough? I don't the theme to eight is enough never stuck with me. I was actually talking with this the other day. Was it just musical or was there a song? Oh no there was a song. How did it go? Eight is enough. I remember it was very like a real thing. Yeah. Living life with joy or something. When I was very young I used to confuse eight is enough with the Partridge family all the time. Oh wait you look like um you've kind of got the haircut of that one cute. Lori Partridge? No no no. An eight is enough. No no no. Oh the oldest daughter? Somebody had the hair right? Yeah. That's I think Ruben Kincaid. No Ruben Kincaid wasn't it is enough. Yeah no no Ruben Kincaid was partridge family. Wasn't it a van? Yes it was it was Dick Van Paten was the dad. I love Dick Van Paten. You know and Willie Ames. Oh yeah and the little boy in um in uh Adam Rich. Adam Rich had some problems with it. Adam Rich looked so much like my little brother Eric that I really identified with that show because he looked like my little brother. Yeah I think that's two people identify their family or their ideal version of a family with the show that ends up being their brother. Well yeah I think I wanted him as my dad um and you know along those lines of other he wasn't a dad. I don't was he a dad. I don't remember but um the person who did remind me of my dad was Bob Newhart because my dad is a psychiatrist. Oh very right. And so I felt like he was kind of a TV version of my dad. Right and also show set in Chicago. Well I grew up in St. Louis. Oh St. Louis okay. So not far but I wasn't familiar with Chicago. Did you ever share that with your dad that he reminded you of Bob Newhart? I may have I don't remember but my dad would like we were not a family that watched TV. Okay. I'm my dad rarely watched television. He was a reader. Okay. And my mom didn't watch it either. It was really just me and my brother. I can't even remember my older brother's sister watching it with us really. We pronounce against it or it just wasn't for them. Like they didn't have rules like it's it'll rot your brain or anything like that. No. I know. Well I just think my dad had too much to read that just to sit down and watch TV with with us. Um it might have just sort of been a babysitter you know. That's true for many of us. I think people are aging and and sort of a little bit older. That's what it was. Yeah. I mean I have I have very strict rules about TV in my house. I have a daughter. Right. And like all of my friends with more than one kid are sort of like yeah if you have to like you'll get over that real quick. Is there anything you watched as a kid that you feel like you have to expose your daughter to ritual them to to like try to not program them but be like this is important to indoctrinate indoctrinate them. Yes exactly. I am I forced I love Lucy on them. I forced the monkeys on them. How did they go over? They love the monkeys. Yeah. Ivy my daughter went through like a short aisle of Lucy phase not long enough. Um you play um you show them the Brady Bunch. Yeah. They love the Brady Bunch. They love it. They still do. Um I'd like to have them watch the Dick Van Dyke show. That was one of my very very favorites. Yes. A good gateway show is the walnuts episode with the space aliens the dream episode. Children your spawn well. Twilow. Yeah. Planet Twilow by your thumbs. Exactly. Yes. Because it's a strange one. I tried to get Lila to watch um Mr. Rogers and unfortunately I started with black and white. Oh she just turned up. I missed a big mistake because now she's just like no. No. No. No. It looks wrong. There's a Daniel Tiger spinoff which is cartoon. Yes. And much more enticing to a small child of this day and age. Then a hand puppet. Yeah. Then a hand puppet. That's not Daniel Tiger. Now how do you get copies of things like this? Here I'm seeing Andrea McCartill in her film debut Judy Garland's story. How do I get to see that? It was on NBC. There's a few ways. So I in one of my other odd hobbies. I collect like beta and VHS tapes of old TV broadcasts and then I've I'll convert them to DVD and I've had that for years. So I thousands and thousands of hours of TV. That particular one I don't have but I could probably hunt it down for if you'd like to see it. But a lot of people before that used to go to the museum of television radio. I once went to Mary Libby. She and I went because we decided this was like pre-internet and we loved Dolly Parton so much and we were like we have to hear Dolly's speaking voice. Like I want to hear her speaking voice because she's so adorable. And so we went to the museum of broadcasting that's in Los Angeles and we just asked them for the the tape. They gave us like Dolly Parton on Johnny Carson and we watched it over and over. For YouTube days. That's what you had to do. She has maybe my favorite Christmas special of all time. It's from 1990. It's called Dolly's Christmas Down Home and it's all her at Dollywood. She comes out dressed as a reindeer with no explanation at one point. She makes candles with like a guy who's so southern. I can't understand a word that he says. She has all her sisters with her and they're like happy to be on TV but you can see them like secretly angry that they're like you know this is their moment. It is it is the most incredible thing and the sweaters are just glorious. It is fantastic. She had the last really great variety show on TV in 1988. She had a summer replacement series variety show. It was a true variety show and it was really the last one that I can think of in you know almost 30 years. For a format that was huge. I mean that's where most people saw music. When Louise and I were first like when Virga Salt was first taking off I guess it was like in '94, '95 we were asked to meet with the Carsey Warner people to meet with Marcy Carsey and I don't think Tom Warner was in the room but Marcy Carsey was and they wanted us to do a host of variety show. To host a variety show to compete with Saturday Night Live on Fox. This was pre-mad TV. It's what ended up being mad TV I think. She TV and then Roseanne had a show before us. She had a GTV. That's what it was. So they wanted us to host a show. From the show that's very weird. We can't believe we said no. I know. You just weren't into it or you're like we're not we're not. We were just emerging as a band right. We were musicians. We're not TV people. We didn't know how that would affect our path really. Our trajectory into a respected band. You didn't want to end up being the heights. I had the idea. We discussed what kind of a show we could do and we thought it would be super cool to do like the Hugh Hefner Hollywood after dark type of show where we'd sit and just like have parties and introduce like invite great musicians and have them come and everyone would be drinking and smoking and doing drugs and we'd all just be hanging out. Which is a format they did in the UK throughout the 90s and we had nothing like that here since the early 70s. That makes sense that Casey Warner produced it because they did Roseanne the TV show and then she hosted that sketch show before they got mad TV. There you go. That was going to be us. How would I like to have seen that? I know. I would have liked to have seen it too. There's still time maybe we're thinking we're going to do we got we got to do something like that. Yeah. You could do half monkeys half of variety hanging out at our house show. Well we can hang out at the monkey's house basically. Did you ever see the monkeys reunion movie from 1997? Yeah. Mike Nesmith wrote it and it's a special they did and it is so crazy. The premise is they've been living in that house for 30 years. Oh no. So they're all old in there but like a monster comes to the door and they answer and he's like hey guys didn't we do this one already? And he's like yeah it was episode 491 we did this one. And so he's like oh we did this already. Sorry. Wow that does not sound great. It doesn't sound good at all. It's interesting to see. So I know you guys have to get on stage in a moment so your your time is short. I just want to thank you guys so much for taking the time to do this. Is there anything you watch now when you're saying it's mostly reality shows and stuff right? Oh no. We don't watch reality shows. We just met hoarders. The only show I'll watch is hoarders. That's it. That's it. You know the weird thing is you gave us these tv guides for me what was like the golden era of television and then I didn't watch tv. I didn't watch tv all through the 80s and I didn't watch it through the 90s. I really didn't. We probably had a social life. Well and yeah it was busy. Are you catching up on any of that stuff that you missed back then? It doesn't appeal to me. Really? No. So when Nina and I were playing a show in the 90s in LA as it happened, Justine Bateman was there. Oh wow. And I you know I was I didn't live in LA and so I blundered and said I didn't know but any better than to say haven't we met? Right. Now that I live there I realize that. And she wanted you to say weren't you in satisfaction? Okay but I have a question for you. Yes absolutely. What are these? There's a in I don't know what year this is. I think it's oh 71 that's why I don't know it. The sausage, the mouse, clever Elsie, a brand new kind of family entertainment premieres this September, The Golden Goose, oh I think yeah Tom Tittat. I believe these were Disney pilots for live action shows so on Sunday nights they did the wonderful world of Disney every Sunday night for years and Disney was at a real low in the early 70s with these live action shows and they were trying to branch into more like sitcom territory. And so I believe it was a huge failure of the Disney corporation but Tom Tittat the world could have been right. Yeah because I never heard of that. Yeah I don't think anyone has fond memories of Tom Tittat. This is so fun. All right we didn't talk about all in the family. Show that again heavy issues for a family time. Yes super heavy but I loved love love that show. Yeah that show holds up it's such a great show. It's always interesting to me to hear people who's like dads watched it the wrong way. That actually book is great. So when Nina and I split up it was what we call now the the heinous hiatus. Right. And I watched I ordered all of all in the family. Oh my god. All of Samford and Son. Wow. And I watched every single episode. Did it help? Yes I did. But you didn't go to Archie Bunker's place though. No I didn't. I just I um it was like so incredibly comforting to me. Yeah yeah. And um yeah I just love those shows so much. And I watched them all. Yeah they're great. They're great. Thank you guys so much. I don't want to eat up too much of your time but I really appreciate you doing this. It was great to talk to you guys. So much fun. Thank you for having us. You're welcome. Yeah thank you. You're welcome. What a fun conversation that was. I really could have talked to them forever. It was a lot of fun. They couldn't be nicer as I said and are an incredible band. So definitely pick up ghost notes. You can get on iTunes, Amazon, probably a local record store if you still have one of those. That's a very very good record. And as I said they were amazing live. So if you have not seen them if you have the opportunity definitely definitely go out and see them. This is Friday. We don't normally do special editions on Friday but you never know when we do. We have new episodes every Wednesday. But if you enjoyed the show please please please subscribe on iTunes and rate and review the show. As I said new episodes every Wednesday but occasionally I had an opportunity to talk to someone and we will have bonus episodes on Friday, Saturdays you never know. So make sure you subscribe. Also I love hearing from listeners. You can contact me at tvguidenscounselor@gmail.com or Canadaicandread.com. We also have a Facebook page. You can search tvguidenscounselor and join the community of fans there discussing old television. I don't know why I said that like that but it seemed appropriate. 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