[Music] Hello and welcome to TV Gaddens Counselor. I am Ken Reed. I am your TV Gaddens Counselor. As always, and you probably noticed, it's not Wednesday. It's time for another special edition of the show. It's our after school special where my guest is the one and only Mr. Sean Sullivan, the man who forced me to do this show. So if you like the show, you can thank him for that. This is a really fun one. We talk about things we watched after school. So that's between 3 and 5 p.m. We looked at three different years. There's a lot of talk about lunches and Sean claims I say the darkest thing I've ever said on the show, which you can be the judge of. I'm trying to do some more of these special edition shows. So hopefully, I will have an up-all night show and a homesick from school show by request. I'm just looking for the right guests for those shows. If you have other suggestions for special edition shows, you would like to see, please email me at canadikendread.com or at tvguidenscounselor@gmail.com and I will do my best to make them happen. Now, I know it's May. I know school isn't started. It's almost over, but I know. But now, let's move on to our very special after school special of TV guidance counselor with my guest, Sean Sullivan. This is a very special day. It is after school and where you're doing an after school special. Ah, run home. How are you friends? It's Sean Sullivan again, everybody. The most popular requested guest. It's true. The most popularly requested guest of Sean Sullivan, mostly by Sean Sullivan. Yep. The requests are very popular in themselves. They're like, can you get more requests for Sean Sullivan? I don't want him on the show. I just want to hear requests for him. I request myself to be on the show in a very popular way. Yeah. It's better than sequestering yourself onto the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I locked myself in a room for about three weeks. Yep. And you were not allowed to read any media. Nope. Yeah. I was ordering takeout food to the motel that I was holed up in. I've actually, if I ever showed you that documentary about sequester juries. No. It was made by WCBB TV5 channel 5 in the mid-80s and it is hilarious because... What is like an episode of Chronicle? It started as an episode of Chronicle and then they made it into a 90-minute documentary that they aired. As like a movie. And my favorite thing is, so these people aren't allowed to talk to their families. Yeah. But they have like a, a bailiff. So he's on the phone as the intermediary. So there's literally this guy going, honey, what's for dinner? I think, yeah, yeah, he's like, honey, this doesn't make sense. He wants to know what's for dinner. He loves you too. And it's the funniest thing. I think you have told me about that. I love it. So we're doing after school. So we did three to five o'clock from four different years in the 90s. And so you're, you have an older brother, right? Yes. See, my older brother has three years older than me. So after school from me, 1990, I guess we're starting there. Yeah, so you were always in different schools than your brother. It sounds like three years. And we went, we're in the same elementary school and then... Middle school now. Nope. He was in high school when I was in middle school. Does anyone have junior high anymore? I feel like everything's new. I mean, I was, no, we had junior high. We went, we went elementary was one to six and then seven, eight was junior high and then high school was... I remember when ours switched from middle school to junior high to middle school. It was the first year that I went to middle school and I was really pissed off. It makes more sense to have it be a junior high. There's a big difference between sixth grade and seventh grade. What's the big difference? Well, I mean, I mean, seventh and eighth graders are fucking garbage people. They're just assholes. Yeah. Oh, they totally are. So when you throw a sixth grader in, I mean back then, I mean back when I was there. So you got picked on a lot as a sixth grader? I don't think so, but I think like we had in sixth grade, I feel like it was kind of like a movement. I felt like the difference between sixth grade, elementary school and junior high was significant enough that you needed to be in a different school. Yeah, no, I could see that. But I feel like sixth grade, I feel like you're still young enough that... It's still an elementary school feel? Yeah, to me. Maybe, maybe, but it would, yeah, I guess we had sex ed in fifth grade. That was the first time we had that. Yeah, we had that, yeah. That's always kind of like the cutoff. Maybe, yeah. Yeah. But I don't know what kids have now. I don't think they even... No, they're the internet. They're not children anymore. No, they're not. It's all junior high forever. Yeah. You never get out of junior high. You're an all junior high. And you never get out of it. You die in junior high. Yeah, yeah. Well, we can dream. So... Exactly. So you and your brother, my point being you would get home at different times. This is the darkest thing that was ever said on this show. Oh no, we've got some dark places on this show. Surprisingly, especially for an after school show. This is the after school special. Yeah, not at one after school special on the list though. Well, they kind of stopped by 1990. Yeah, I know. Have you ever seen an after school special? Only if they were like re-aired on cable somewhere. Yeah, like the boy who drank too much and angel dusted. Yeah, but by this point, that kind of stuff had shifted to lifetime almost, it seemed. Yeah, but lifetime was a name to kids. I wonder how kids got these sort of scare stories now. I don't think they did. Yeah, that's probably true. 'Cause I mean, I'm trying to think... The 70s was kind of the heyday, the after school special. By the time I was watching a lot of the stuff in the 80s, we still had them. But a lot of them would be like adaptations of books. Like, I remember one that made a big deal out of was basically a TV movie version of The Wave. Did you read that book in school? Oh, the one about the... The Nazis. It's sort of like neo-nauts. No, it's the prison experiment. Yeah. Yeah, they did it in the school. Yeah. They made one of that, and then we had a lot of teen pregnancy ones, and I think there was an AIDS one. But they were very infrequent. In the 70s, I think they were every week, or at least every month. We had them maybe like three or four times a year when I was growing up. Yeah. I don't remember ever what I wouldn't even know what channel they would be on. ABC did them, I think. But as cable came out and stuff like that, were they even necessary? Probably not. Probably not. And then you had like 90210 when all those... Yeah, I guess you had more teen issues. Yeah, and then like even Degrassi, which was sort of an early adopter of that sort of thing, was basically like an after-school special every episode. Yeah. Yeah. So you didn't have that stuff. So you're kind of just in the cartoon land I imagine. Straight up cartoons. Yeah. So what time did you get out of school? You think we would get out of school the way I remember it is, in elementary school. I can't remember what year it was. Actually, I was able to stay home because my younger brother is 9 years younger than me. That's a big difference. So he was born when I was in the third grade. So, I think by the time I was like 12, I could just go home after school. Did you walk to school? Yeah. I walked and walked home. I lived close enough to the school. That's wonderful. I never took a bus. Yeah, I never took a bus either. We took a high school. We took a bus. Oh, you took a bus in high school? For like a year and then a friend, a grade ahead of us got a car and then we drove. I always felt like there was a few things that I felt like I missed out and one was taking the bus. And I in no way wanted to take a bus, but I think it was just represented in so many movies. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I didn't take a school bus. And I never went to summer camp, which I also would not have wanted to go to. Yeah. The buses wasn't like in the movie. Like I figured, I never, no one ever got bullied on the bus that I saw. I mean, I took it freshman year of high school. I don't know. I feel like if you're taking a bus freshman year of high school, you should be bullied. Yeah. But everybody, I mean. Everybody was in a car. Anybody that was going to do any of the bullying would take a car. How long was your bus ride? It was long because we had, I think we were picked up early. Everybody up, right? Yeah. And we didn't, I mean, the school is, high school for me was like a 15 minute drive anyway. Right. Because you're free. The city that Sean is from Brockton is actually really large. It's probably like the third or fourth largest city in Massachusetts. Yeah, it's fourth. But yeah, no, it wasn't like a TV bus ride. It was, I do my homework in the morning that I didn't do the night before. What time did school start? Elementary school, probably eight. Yeah. I started eight during high school, I think, seven thirty. Does this seem wrong? I walked to elementary school. No, I walked to elementary school too. So I was like ages six through ten walking to school without like a parent? No. I mean, that wouldn't happen now. No. The world isn't different. What? Like the world's not more dangerous. No. Yeah, but I think people are just, I mean, you can't do that because someone would call the police and say that you're negligent parent. Yeah. What we would do is I would start and I would kind of pick up other kids in my neighborhood as well. Yeah, that's what we did. Yeah. But I also, I literally lived. It was a five minute walk. I didn't live. Yeah. This is probably real close to the school. Yeah. Five or ten minutes as well for elementary school for me. And I would get a ride like if it was cold or something like that or snowing or something. I never got a ride. Oh really? I never got a ride. I never got a ride to walk back and forth uphill. Yeah. Walk back and forth uphill. And I did live at the top of a hill. Yeah. It was a miserable hill. Yeah. And then I would walk to Chuck Perkins house and his parents must have hated me because I wouldn't, I would go while he was like in the shower and I would sit at their kitchen table and read the paper. Just lay yourself in. Yeah. And like eat with the, like toast with their dad while he was like getting ready for work. I'd watch Danger Mouse and then I'd walk. Yeah. No, I never did that. I mean we didn't, I didn't have like a path that was, I would walk and then we'd meet people that we wanted to get there early so that we could play touch football in the schoolyard. In the, in the bathroom. Yep. You know what? There's a lot of football in the janitor's closet. We had a kid who used to beg this kid to take his dick out all the time because he, because quote, it would be funny. I think, yeah, I think that's a suburb thing. I don't think that happened. I, I keep hearing stories about that from comedians and stuff. I'd like run into comics that are like super comfortable like just like dropping their balls on your shoulder or something like that. Oh, no, no. That was not. No. There was no, there was no genital exposure anywhere. Yeah. I was never. We also had a kid who would run up and he, he created this, I have, I'm doing air quotes, a game called poison where he would run up and grab your balls and penis and squeeze them and yell poison. And then he somehow convinced other kids that this was a game and kids would do this. It was like a weird variation on the purple nipple. Oh, we had a couple of games like that. Um, there were three, I can't, I'm, I can think of two of them, I can think of the two stupidest ones. I can't remember the third one was, oh, we had like doorknob. What's doorknob? Doorknob is when you would fart and then you had some, if somebody heard you fart, they would yell doorknob and then you had to touch the nearest doorknob. Why? Well, cause if you would get punched by people, if you didn't touch the doorknob. Why didn't they see, I would just punch people. Yeah. I mean, we would fight that. Yeah. Come on. We would be playing by the rules of the game. I guess. Yeah. And then we have letter B, whereas you had to get locked into these games too. Letter B? Yeah. Letter. I never told you about letter B. No. Letter B was where you would have to get locked into the game. So only you would, you could choose to get in and somebody could kick you out by doing like a pinky promise thing. Oh my God. There's a lot of rules going on here. Yeah. It was pretty extreme because you would have to do it in class, like if you get called on to talk, anytime you said a word that started with the letter B, you'd have to say letter B after the word or at the end of the sentence. So everyone just thought you guys had Tourette's. Yeah. So you'd be like, Oh, are you going to the basketball game letter B? Because otherwise somebody would just punch you until you said letter B. This is very strange. Yeah. This is a real dumb one. And the dumb is not. Here's my question. Why did any kids ever agree to play these games so that they could punch somebody? Yeah. I think it's just peer pressure. Yeah. I think I would do it very infrequently because I thought it was so stupid and I did not ever want to get punched. And then the last one was called open chest where you had to, I can't believe I never told any of this to you. You had to walk around with your arms across your chest like in an X. Yeah. And if you were playing the game, this one was a junior high one and you were just walking down the hall and you didn't have your arms like this and you were playing the game. If you had your arms down, someone could just come and punch you in the chest. Well they could just punch you in the, so the, so your arms up as a defense. Yeah. It's like, nope, you can't hit me because I'm, I've got my arms up. So this is like a titty twister, but just punching. Yeah. But I mean, everybody agreed to it. The titty twister, I always felt like it was more like, how do you agree to, you're like, I agree, I, I can give you my consent? Yeah. Because you would say, yeah, we're all playing, we're all playing open chest today. And then we'd all agree. Okay. We're playing open chest. So it's like, it's like, it's like laser tag for, with punching. Yep. That's exactly like that. I'm sure kids, I'm sure there were kids that played those sorts of games when I was growing up. I definitely did not participate. Like, maybe they asked me and I'll just be like, what the hell's wrong with them? Yeah. And that's what most of the time I wouldn't do that because I was always afraid of getting in trouble. So I think I just was like, this is stupid. Yeah. It is the dumbest thing you can do. There was also this kid, Steve, who's dad, I think had a drinking problem and he would have a lot of kids over his house after school and they would watch him jack his dog off. And they would be like, oh, you've got to go over to Steve's. It's so funny. And I was like, I don't think so. I'm good. Thanks. I also missed out on that stuff because I wasn't a latch key kid until my mom's a nurse. So she would work the three to 11 shift and then she would do weekends. So she was home two days during the week or three days or something. And then she would pick me up from school. We'd get out of school at like two 45 or something elementary school. She'd pick me up and then she would drive me to my grandmother's house. My older brother went to a different elementary school for a couple of years. And then we'd meet him there. And then my grandmother would watch us until my dad picked us up when he got home. That's a lot of adults. That's three adults in a day, Sean. That's four. Because it might be both grandparents. Yeah. But that means a latch key kid. Yeah. But I mean, I wasn't like, we had to go there. Yeah. They wanted to know where you were. They accounted for all your time. Yes. So I wasn't like, I couldn't get into any kind of dog jacket off. Yeah. No, there was no dog jacket off. Did you, did you have a, um, did you do any after school activities? Sometimes, um, I mean, all the activities I did, I mean, I was doing drama and stuff and in elementary school. Uh, yeah. I started doing that when I was in the second grade. Wow. I didn't, we didn't have that option. Wow. I mean, it wasn't at, it wasn't part of the school. It was in a different town. Oh, it was like an actual curriculum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a chorus you could do or if you were in like the band. Yeah. That's, see, that stuff was during the day. That was like you could get pulled out of class for that stuff. Really? Wow. I did, played baritone horn or something. Yeah. And then, uh, if you were in the band, you got to go down for like half a period once a week. Wow. We, if you were the only things you would get pulled out of class for in my school were speech therapy or to go to the psychiatrist. Yeah. No, they had that too. Yeah. And, but I never knew what that was. And they always made it seem like it was a real treat that those kids are getting pulled out. And I was just like, I work hard. I get good grades. These kids are fucking idiots. Yeah. How come by? Did I ever tell you about my English as a second language class? No. So when I was, uh, in, maybe I was five, I was in preschool or kindergarten, when we were poor. And so I used to get the bus to school because my parents couldn't, uh, like it was a short bus. Yeah. And the only other people that took the bus were these two Chinese immigrant girls named Tata and TT. And so I had to go to school when they went to school and they went like an hour before school started because they did ESL. So I had to go an hour before school started because there were two of them in one of me and sit in the ESL class with them. And I did not understand what the hell that was because I didn't really, I mean, I'm five. I don't know that people speak different languages. Did they know that you didn't belong there? No, I don't think they didn't speak a word anymore. Not the kids. Oh, yeah. The teachers. Yeah. Yeah. They would just kind of have me sit there and then they were trying to include me, but I would get really frustrated because they'd be like, Ta Ta. What is this? And I'm like, it's a cat. Stupid. It's called the cat. Like I just didn't get it. And so they asked me to stop coming. So instead, cause I had to be there, they used to have me go down to the cafeteria and help the lunch ladies unload crates of milk cartons, I don't wear a hair net. That's awesome. Yeah. It was, it was pretty ridiculous. Yeah. You get it behind the scenes of the cafeteria? Oh, yeah. And sometimes they'd throw me a free chocolate milk. Nice. Cause you could only get chocolate milk one day a week. Really? Yeah. It was regular milk every day, except Thursday, it was chocolate milk day. And in the morning, I just remember this, in the morning, you would, when the teacher would do the roll call, they would ask if you were having a milk that day. Oh, really? So they could order that? Yeah. They do that at my wife's school now. Cause your wife's a teacher? Yeah. And she teaches her the charter school. So they have their lunches. They don't have a cafeteria. They eat in their classroom, but their lunches are brought in. So I think they do that in the morning. They have to decide who's having milk. Who wants the kosher? We had, it was like a big deal. And I don't know why, cause it was fucking pain in the ass. But you could, um, those lunches were broken down by grade or something like that. So there were two grades in there and like somebody from the older grade got to sell the, um, milk. What? They were in charge of like, uh, am I, yeah, they were in charge of, uh, sitting at the table with the milk and you were taking the money. Yeah. And taking the money and putting it in. It was like a nickel at my school. Yeah. It was not. Yeah. It wasn't, it was like, I think it was 15 cents or a dime or something like that. And they were like, I'm awesome on the milk person. Yeah. The person who always did it was always a fucking asshole. And they think I got to do it one day. And I was like, this sucks. Yeah. Why would you want to do that? No, it's, it was fucking, it was not fun. Do you remember how exciting it would be to get the, the lunch menu for the week? Like on Mondays, they would host it or I feel like they would send it home or something. Yeah. We would get like a monthly calendar. Yeah. With the lunch menu. That had the lunch listed on there. And I never bought lunch until maybe fifth or sixth grade, there was a, there was like a certain point, my mom made my lunch for me. What would you make? It was like a sandwich and like maybe some chips or like a fruit snack or something like that. Like a two sandwich? No, I think it was, I mean, I like peanut butter and jelly. Yeah. I got, I got one time, um, I thought I lost a tooth and I brought my tooth up to the, the lunch monitor, the teacher who was doing lunch duty or whatever. And I was like, I lost a tooth and she was like, oh my God, that's okay. We'll wrap it up. Yeah. Put it in some milk. That was big. We didn't do, we didn't do that. We put it in a napkin and put it in a baggie. Okay. And then I kept the baggie with me the whole day. I was probably in second grade. And then I got home and my mom, I was like, mom, I lost a tooth and she goes, what, what tooth did you lose? I got it right, I got it right here. She was like in your mouth, like you don't have them. Yeah. Did you have extra teeth? She had bought chunky peanut butter and I brought home a fucking peanut. I brought, I showed one adult, I used to talk about this on stage, I showed a lady in a cafeteria, a piece of a peanut and she wrapped it up and said, oh, bring it home and put it under your pillow. Yep. And you'll grow a peanut tree. And I was just like, that lady was either fucking the dumbest lady or like just like the sweetest, like she couldn't like, wow. Her job was lunch mother. That's true. Or lunch monitor who wasn't serving the lunch, they were this there, I guess like some shit went down. There were some, yeah, I think they were mom volunteers too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of weird, like we, we, I would get, my parents would make me lunch every day. And then I remember if there was something like really good on the lunch menu for that month, I would save up to buy lunch that day as a treat. Yeah. I think, I think my older brother, I never liked the pizza. Pizza was like the month Friday it was. We had French bread pizza. It was the most disgusting. Oh, yeah. We would have that sometimes. And then the stuff was like it would be like, like real like a boot, like Elio's pizza. Oh, yeah. I feel like, I don't think I ever got it because I didn't like it. So many of the lunch menu choices, I remember, and this might be a false memory. I seem to remember them all having to wear a hobo in front of them. Hobo. Yeah, I was like, hobo pizza. Or just like, I was just excuse to make like a really shitty version of it and make it sound exciting. They'd be like, hobo burgers. Yeah. I never bought lunch until junior high, I think the lunch choices got a little better. By the time it was in high school, our cafeteria had been completely bought by corporations and it was Taco Bell and Domino's and those were pretty much the only things you had. We had Domino's. Oh, the Taco Bell was so, it was like extra people like, you know, Taco Bell's a little too good. Let's make a really just awful version of Taco Bell is the worst version you could imagine of Taco Bell. We had Pizza Hut and which it was not Pizza Hut at all, it was just Pizza, but like actual sliced Pizza. It's like the world's worst airport. Yes, for food. And then we would have like half of a D'Angelo's sub. Weird. But it'd be like an Italian sub or ham and cheese and that was actually pretty good. Or I remember being good. I did used to enjoy the cookies, there would be large like big chocolate chip cookies. Yeah, I mean, that was the other thing is that when you get to junior high there were like cooking, there was those big like school cookies, like the big warm chocolate chips you were talking about. Then there'd be like nutty bars and then the peanut butter because we'd have fork indentations and no teeth. There was no teeth in them. I know what you're talking about. That was good stuff. But there was just like, it was just like a world of snacks and no one monitoring you and saying, oh, you should probably buy the actual lunch. It was the first time you could be, you could be an adult. Yeah. You'd be like, I'm just eating garbage today. Although now I see kids, you know, when I cruise the schools during the daytime, no, sometimes I'll take the dog at lunch and I'll take him to the dog park and the dog parks right across the street. Yeah. I know what you're doing. Don't you know how to explain stuff to me? We're in the club. We're in the club. That's true. And I always see kids like tweens walking to Dunkin' Donuts and getting friggin' coffees. You couldn't have had coffee and that's crazy. That's not. That was not allowed at our school. The coffee was black and it was for like the most just downtrodden teacher in the school. Now did you have, did you have an open campus in high school? On and off. They would, yes, and then something would happen and they wouldn't have it for a year and then they'd have it, then they wouldn't have it. So we never, it was always closed campus. Yeah. We had a lot of stavings. Yeah. We did also. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There were some stavings. Oh, did you have some stavings? No, we had no stavings. We did have a gang in Melrose. Oh, yeah. We had a gang in Boston, too. We had an actual gang. This was like a bunch of just like white suburban kids who thought they were hip-hop and they called themselves the Melrose Heat. And they would like spray paint things and people would be like, "My brother's in the heat." And I was like, "Your brother's a loser." I was like, "I'm nine years old. I'll fight your brother and probably kick his ass. That's how bad your brother's gang is." Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. We grew up in slightly different places. Slightly different places. Before we get to the actual shows here, I want to mention a story that I was reminded of is maybe I'm not a picky eater at all. I'll eat pretty much anything. Yeah. And I'm fairly adventurous. But egg salad is the worst thing ever made. Of course. And my parents, I was in preschool and my parents left me with an egg salad sandwich. I remember distinctly. My dad dropped me off and I was like, "What is this?" And he goes, "It's tuna." And I was like, "Is this not egg salad?" And he said, "No." So I go into the school and it's lunchtime and I get my lunch out and I bite into it and it's egg salad and I crumbled the sandwich up into a ball. I threw it at the wall and it stuck to the clock and the teacher was like, "You need to clean that up." And I was like, "No, I don't. My dad needs to clean it up. This is his fault." And they called my dad and they made him come in and clean it up. But I was like, "Don't lie to me. This was not tuna." Egg salad is the absolute worst. It's gross. It's gross. I don't know. I wonder if that probably never was a school lunch option. I remember there was a lot of Salisbury steak. Ham salad. I don't know if we had ham salad. Have you ever had ham salad? No. It's basically tuna but with ham. Oh. Like I like it. But it's awful. Yeah. And almost as bad as seafood salad. We would have... I don't know. I feel like they didn't... I don't think they did salads. We had grilled cheese a lot, really bad hamburgers. Yeah. No, chicken nuggets. Yeah. Salisbury steak, which is just a hamburger. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I wonder if school lunch has improved at all. I don't think so. There was always those single serving of super watery peach chunks. Oh, yeah. We grew up in a world, John, that I like to call PL. Pre-lunchables. Oh, yeah. That changed everything. Yeah. No, lunchables... They probably hit the spleen. That was a field trip. You could get a lunchable. Yeah. Which is just crackers in a friggin' candy bar. Yeah. That's not... That's somehow worse than the school lunchbook because it's packaged. Yeah. Lunchables is essentially like... If you've ever been trapped somewhere and you're like, "Oh, shit. I need to eat something. Oh, there is. Is this vending machine?" That's what lunchables are. It's like a vending machine lunch. It's really bad. Yeah. So... It's like crudite without the vegetables. Exactly. Would you rush right home to watch TV? Well, I mean, we were at my grandma's house for like half the week and then half the week we were at home. I don't... I was never big on doing homework at home. No, I would always do it in class in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. I would... I would have that like free period in the morning. I mean, I don't remember getting homework until, I mean, other than like reading a chapter in a book maybe or something like that, which I actually enjoyed. Like, I don't remember doing math, homework, or science homework until like fifth grade and then I figured out how to do it in school without getting caught. I would do it in gym a lot. I would do it during class. Or I would get to school like I'd walk to school and then do it hanging out outside. Yeah. So I'm going to do a homework at home. Yeah. And I never... Kids used to hang around after school or they'd like go walk downtown and I'd run right home. Yeah. I'd usually have to... once I got old enough to stay home, I'd have to watch my younger brother or I would be at my grandmother's house or my mom would be home and I'd have to be home. I remember I forgot my key one day and I was no surprise to everybody. A latchkey kid. Out of way. And I forgot my key one day and I was raining and I was outside and I think I got home at like 2.30 and I think my dad got home on like 4th. So there was a good two hours. Yeah. And my neighbors who I didn't know that well, they were like four houses down, the Rio Conals, they had like two pretty teenage girl daughters and I was maybe like eight or nine. And the mother was super sweet. She was like, "Oh come on. You can just come with your parents over here. It's raining." And I was like, "Nah." So she eventually convinced me and I just sat on their couch completely terrified. But the couch was right by like the vent that went down to the basement and the teenage daughter was down there doing her laundry and she was singing some camp song that was like, "God bless my underwear." You heard that? No. And I only found out this was a camp song recently. I thought this was of her own creation, but it was like, "God bless America." And she was like, "God bless my underwear from the washer to the dry." Yeah, I do know the whole thing. So she had no idea was there and she came upstairs with like this laundry basket that I'm pretty sure was just all bras and just like locked eyes of it. I was just sitting there. Yeah. It was very embarrassing. So anytime I forgot my key after that, I literally just went behind my house and hid so that people wouldn't let me come wait in their house. Yeah. That's right home to see if I could watch a two o'clock show. So we're starting in 1990 here. So you're what, eight, seven? In 1997. I was probably in this first grade. So I was definitely going to my grandmother's house still at this time. So she lives pretty close. So we get there by three. So and I mean, we had homework and stuff, but we were allowed to do it. If we had any homework, it'd be like fucking stupid spelling sheets. Yeah, you could do it while you're watching TV. Yeah. So we would do that. So three o'clock. Uh, I want to say that I would watch the Super Mario Brothers Super Show. I love the Super Mario Brothers Super Show. Um, I want to say that's what we would watch. Captain Luell Beno as well. Yeah. It was the greatest thing about that show was that it added lyrics to the Mario Brothers music. Yes. Swing your arms from side to side. Come on. It's time to go do the Mario. Um, yeah, and I, I don't remember the animation being that bad. It really wasn't that bad. It wasn't as good as Captain and the Game Master, but it wasn't that bad, for sure. Um, but, uh, we probably, uh, I know my older brother, um, with like game shows. So we would get, we'd probably at that time, watch Pressure Luck, which was a rerun of an 80s episode of Pressure Luck on the USA. No. Yeah. So the daytime shows were, were pretty much game shows, talk shows, and soap operas. And they went from about 10 a.m. till about, they ended it too. And then the kids shows would start, which does not happen now. No. I bet kids would think that was nuts that like a network show would show, you know, cartoons and kids shows between like two and five o'clock. Yeah. Um, you know what? I don't even know. No, they definitely don't show them now. No, they certainly. But everybody has cable and every, it's Nickelodeon and, uh, Disney. Yeah. They can watch whatever they want. Whenever they want. There's like five different, there's like one channel that's just all action cartoons. Yeah. So I, I may have watched Super Mario Super Show. I was 10 years old, uh, it was a little bit young for me, but I secretly still enjoy watching it. And I really had no problems with that. Repressor Luck was also a favorite show created partially by Savage Steve Holland. He did all the animation. Oh, did he? Yeah. It was his first job. I, I remember not liking pressure luck because my brother liked it so much and you wanted something for you. Yeah. And it, and it just bugged me. Have you ever seen the clip, the guy who was on pressure luck, who broke the game? Yeah. Yeah. How amazing is that? We actually just figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great story. Yeah. So I, I probably want, you know, maybe switch between those two things. There's nothing really great aside from those. Three 30. What'd you go with? Three 30, uh, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. This was tough. There's a lot of really good stuff on a three 30 here. So you have the way they just jump right to that one. Yeah. Muppet babies. Three, two, one contact. There's some really good stuff here. I, I probably in all honesty would have gone with three, two, one contact. I never watched three, two, one contact. I have some other PBS shows, like in later, um, picks. Slim good buddy. Uh, no, three, two, one contacts on one I ever watched. Square one TV. I just, did I think it wrote down square one, didn't it? Yeah. Three, two, one contact probably, probably predates you. Uh, it was a very 70s show and it was right by 1990. They were really kind of waning. I do want to mention on HBO, there is a, uh, a show called loser takes all and in this episode, Hispanic dirt bike racer must decide whether to help a prejudiced opponent after a fall. Fair enough. We've all been there. Uh, four o'clock would you go with? Uh, it's in the future. Oh, I went with, uh, and this is going to sound dumb, but I actually remember liking the police academy cartoon. The police academy cartoon was art. I really liked the toy line. That's really, that's, that's more of why I liked it. Yeah. Um, and the toys in retrospect, thinking back on them, they were just like gag each action figure had a gag that it did. Yeah. They were very much functional toys. No, they were very much like the, uh, like the real Ghostbusters toys. Yeah. Which, yeah, that wasn't a bad show at all. I definitely watched that and, uh, it used to be on in the Boston area in an hour block with cops, not the live action show. Yeah. Uh, that was pretty good hour long. I really, really enjoyed that show. Um, I would have, again, this is a really tough call. The great thing about a lot of these shows was they were on five days a week. So often I would not watch the same thing every day at this time. Uh, so I could kind of get a little taste of everything. So at four o'clock, you have growing pains on and it's definitely an episode I would have seen. So I may not have gone with that. You have square one TV on Blackstone. The magician was a particular favorite, uh, police academy. As you mentioned, uh, the old sixties Batman is on and you can't do that on television is on the colloquy. You can't do that on television would probably been, uh, my brother's choice. Amazing show. Always entertaining. But I think that's another show that I think I was too young to date to do. Yeah. I just didn't get it. The dance party USA is on USA network, which I actually did watch most days. And what is that? Just like the grind? Uh, sort of no, it was more like American bandstand or, uh, soul train, but it was great. Uh, club MTV is on later, which is what that was the great day to the guy. Uh, yeah. But I totally watched that. And speaking of, uh, after school specials, HBO was airing one from the movies here called the truth about Alex. Oh, geez. Have you seen it? Yes. Played by Scott Bea learns that his best friend is a homosexual. Oh boy. Oh boy. And we've all again been there. Oh, Alex, the truth comes out. The truth comes out for 30. What'd you go with? Uh, Funhouse. J.D. Roth. Yeah. I think we talked about the last time. Yeah. He called me Husky. Yeah. Yeah. I love that show. I think I only saw it maybe four times in my entire life. Oh really? I did watch that frequently. Uh, but I always remember it and I always wanted to go on it. Yeah. It was a huge version, college Funhouse, which we, which was great, which you can go back and listen to the first Saturday morning special we talked about in depth, uh, family ties is on. I may have watched that, but the grassy junior high is on PBS at 4 30. Was that a PBS show? It was a Canadian show that PBS re aired. That is a show that I have no knowledge of ever existed until like maybe in the last 10 years. Oh yeah. They brought it back. Yeah. They brought it back in a really good way as well where it was sort of the kids of the original characters and the original characters are still on the show. Yeah. Uh, it was a great show. And at this time PBS had a lot of Canadian co-productions. They were also doing a Ramona Quimby show with Sarah Polly in it. Yeah. That was actually pretty good. They did some really good stuff. This episode is the teacher who sexually harassed Lucy return to to grassy. Now normally I probably would have watched that, but hard copy was on and scheduled topic modeling. I had copy would have been on at my grandmother's house in the kitchen where she would hang out. Yeah. And then I would be in the den. Did you ever watch like a car in a fair hard copy inside of the kitchen? I think if I was if I was playing like go fish with her and that was on. Also one of my favorite Nickelodeon shows ever don't just sit there was on at 4 30. Don't just sit there. I don't know that one. Yeah. Don't just sit there was a talk show hosted by kids and uh Will Friedle from a boy meets world. Yeah. He was one of the kids that hosted it. Two boys had a total crush on one of them. It was very in New York. It was very MTV-ish. They had a set that was a lot like pewee's playhouse and they would kind of have a guest on it. They'd have a musical act. They do like a craft but they'd have really weird guests like Terry Gilliam and like the B-52s. Oh, weird. It was really weird. There's footage on YouTube. It's it's a it's a don't just sit there. Don't just sit there. It was a really fun show. Check that out. So that is the end of Wednesday in 1990. Yeah. And then five o'clock would you guys all eat dinner together? I would get if I was at my grandma's house, my dad would come around and pick us up and take us home and cook dinner. Yeah. Or if I was at home, yeah dinner. We always even to this day, my two brothers still live at home. They sit around the table and eat dinner. Now is was Friday night different when you were a kid because like we always treated Friday night to film. So I was like get a pizza. You never read the movie. I don't think so. The only night that was that I can remember anything weird would be Thursday night. My brother had boy scouts and my dad would we would drop him off of boy scouts. Then we would stop at the convenience store where we get an orange soda. Nice. What brand? A son kissed you. Okay. Hopefully. And then we get back to smart food or we get the man I can't remember the brand. It was like a blue bag and it was like more buttery movie theater popcorn. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was called movie something I think. Yeah. Do you remember pop quiz? Popcorn? No, I don't know that. It was popcorn. It was microwave popcorn. This was probably so much chemicals. Cancer. Oh, yeah. There's never it wasn't microwave popcorn. I never really like microwave popcorn and now I'm finding out. No, I was bagged. Popcorn. Oh, just free pop. Yeah. Like smart food. Like smart food. This was microwave popcorn and you put it in the microwave and then you didn't know what color it would be till you opened it up. Yeah. Like yeah, pop. Sometimes it would be green. Yeah. Blue. I can't imagine what kind of cancer. I'm talking that that's on the list of like, they're like, these are the five most cancer causing things. Oh, yeah. Microwave popcorn? Yeah. Big time. Yeah. I haven't had microwave popcorn in about 100 years. No, there's actually a really, really good microwave popcorn locally called Quinn popcorn that has no chemicals in it. Yeah. And it's awesome. It's, it's really good. It's just, it's just like natural oil, it's like coconut oil and you do have to mix it. It's a little like an extra step. Yeah. But it's amazing. I have to check that out. Rosemary flavor. Really good. In 1993. So now you're, what, 11 years old? 10. It would have been 10. It would have been the third grade. I was actually kind of disappointed by the lineup that was present. I remember, I think I picked the, a couple of weird years. I think, I mean, we hit some of the shows in the next couple of years that I would have, I remember the most, but 93, I was 10. I think I would have started at three o'clock. I think I ought to watch Hey, dude. Yeah. And it's a show that I don't like. It's not great. And it only lasted, I think two or three seasons, but just again, like most Nickelodeon shows, they reared them forever and people thought there was a lot more episodes than it was. I did not like the show, but watched it. Yeah. I don't know why. I don't know if I thought I was being sophisticated by watching it. Oh, yeah, that's probably, but Christine, what's her name that married Ben Stiller is on it? She was, she was fun to watch. Oh, I can't think of her name. She played much radiant. Yeah. She's in. Anyway, Christine Taylor. Yeah. I would have rushed home. So in 1993, I was in middle school and in elementary school, school started at 830 in the morning, we got out at 230 and then in middle school, it was a big deal. We went in earlier. So I think school started at like, yeah, you got out at 2 o'clock. We got out at 210. Yeah. And then in high school, we got out at two. That was a big deal. So I would rush home to watch something at 230, but it's Comedy Central used to show a show called Inside the Comedy Mind with Alan King at 230 every day. And I would rush home so that I didn't miss any of that. And this episode, this day, we're going to be on May 19th, 1993 here. The guest is Katherine O'Hara, which I totally would have been in it. Oh, yeah. I also want to mention there's a show on at 240 called Sit and Be Fit. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. So what did you, you went with Hey, Dude, this one, Mr. Ernst becomes a professional wrestler. Yeah, I don't remember who Mr. Ernst is. I don't remember anything. He's got the glasses. There was a Shana Doherty on that show. Is that her show? No. I don't think she was on Hey, Dude. She was on 902 and no by them. Yeah. She was on a show called Our House with Wilford Brimley. I thought it was somebody famous on Hey, Dude, besides that Ben Silla's wife. There may have been. I don't know why. I was disappointed. I thought that would be more things. I also, I think like, depending on the PBS station too, I think Mr. Rogers was always on. Yeah. So I definitely, I'm never watching Mr. Rogers way later. We also had my younger brother was born in 92. So he would have been here. So I would have ended up watching a lot more of like baby shows with him and secretly enjoying them. Oh, yeah. It's a good excuse for you to be able to still watch them. Yeah. Um, 330, I mean, I think at three o'clock for me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going with Beyond 2000, which is a show that I often mentioned on the regular primetime show. It's an Australian. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, a Discovery channel. So 330, would you go with? Uh, I think I, I think I just put, uh, tail spin, which of the Disney afternoon lineup is, uh, always dead last in terms of. Yeah. Did you not like Baloo? Uh, I didn't care. I mean, it's, it's not that bad. I just didn't like it at all. I hated almost all of the Disney afternoon. Oh, see, I was, I, I was the opposite. It's not reflected on this list, but, uh, I love cocktails. I love Chippendale. I liked, here's the Disney afternoon shows I liked. Yeah. Gargoyles, which is the best show they ever did. Yep. And Darkwing Duck. I like Darkwing Duck a lot. Um, yeah, I don't even consider Gargoyles Disney afternoon. It started out. Gargoyles was such a great. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I know I agree. Yeah. But I don't, I consider the Disney afternoon is Ducktales, Chippendale, tail spin. Yeah. Darkwing Duck and Goof Troop. Do you remember when Ducktales introduced that like Robocop character? Um, yeah. It was Duck. That was ridiculous. I love Ducktales. I don't, I had a good theme song. I, I go to Target and they always have, uh, they have like DVD sets of like episodes. Yeah, for like five bucks. Yeah. And I am always, I don't know why I haven't bought them yet, but I love it. Make your kids like that. Yeah, I will. When's the last time you saw it? Ducktales? Yeah. Boy, I don't even know. Uh, I remember the, it's got the best. I'm sure it holds up. No, it had, it's timeless. Yeah. I mean, it's all that call banks. Yeah. Stuff. So, I mean, it's got a good source material. Uh, the, the movie I enjoyed, the movie. I didn't, I did not see the movie. Do you, the secret of the lost lamp? Secret of the use. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I remember coming out, but I was way too old. Yeah. I was going to see rocket doodle. I watched Ducktales enough that like, that was the first show I could identify in waves like. Oh, which era of the show? Yeah. I mean, originally it was just Huey Dewey, Louis, Uncle Scrooge McDuck and Launchpad McQuack. Yeah. And it increasingly got more and more. Yeah. Then they added Gizmo Duck and then they added Bubba Duck. Yeah. He was the caveman Duck. Wow. Once you introduce a caveman to a show, that show is terrible, aside from Captain Caveman and the Teenage. Yeah. Uh, so I'm going to watch 15. I don't know what 15 is. 15 was Nickelodeon doing a Canadian, another Canadian co-production and it was a straight drama. It was a soap opera and it was Ryan Reynolds first role. Oh really? Yeah. It was a, it was a terrible show. I watched it almost every day. I think I was trying to learn how to be a teenager. Um, I'd say I'd watch anything at three in the 330 block. Tailspin really wasn't, that's not a big pick as long as it wasn't. What was it? Friends. That's, honestly, at 1993 that's probably what was on the TV. I remember the first time I saw Barney and Friends was, uh, we, we drove down to my uncle's house in Virginia for some reason and we camped like, uh, in his yard. Yeah. I don't know why. And it was the weekend that the Nicktoons premiered. I remember that. I watched the first three Nicktoons and then his son who was like maybe two or three used to watch this Barney tape and I remember my uncle saying to me, I must have been 12 goes. This fucking thing is, and then he goes, he goes, look at that little redhead prick that kid must be related to somebody because he sure as hell can't act. My, uh, my younger brother loved Barney. So that honestly does probably is what was on television. That's awful. It's, I mean, but it's for babies. That's the problem with it. But there's good stuff for babies and then there's garbage. Yeah, but it now that I have kids, like I, I recognize like what is like, I recognize that it's for babies and I recognize why they like it. What, what are your babies like? I mean, they like, we don't want, they don't watch a ton of TV. They really, uh, like Daniel Tigers neighborhood, they're going to say Daniel Tosh. They love Tosh. Oh my gosh. I think that shit is fucking hilarious and they're right. They, they really are. Uh, they love Daniel Tigers neighborhood. And that is a spin off of Mr. Rogers. Yeah. It's, it's like a, it's a computer generated animated. Yeah. And it's, I like the cat in the hat with Martin Short. Yeah. The hat knows that and it's a computer animated, but it kind of looks like animation. But that's like, that's, that's way beyond them. Right. They're my kid. They're literally babies. They like the Mickey Mouse clubhouse. It's so like you should colors and shapes and noises. Basically. Yeah. It's so very simple. Yeah. We don't watch it. We don't have the TV's not on all the time and all that stuff. We're really conscious of using it only when we have to. It's a pacifier. What would you think if you put like citizen Kane on and your kids sat him down? What would they do? Yeah. I mean, I was watching the Daredevil show that's on Netflix and, uh, Harry woke up from his nap today and, uh, I had him out there and I was like, he was still like kind of cuddled up. He didn't want to wake up really. So I was holding my couch and I was like, I guess dude, I guess we're watching Daredevil. Right. And I put it on and then I was like, what am I doing? Well, he's a big Vincent then Afrio fan. He loves an Afrio. Yeah. He's just like, he loves them in men and black. He loves them in. He sounds always like he should have played Thor. I try to convince someone that Thor was a spinoff for adventures in babysitter. I would love, uh, we, yeah, I would love to get them like a kind of a second, uh, tear character costume and dress them up in that all the time. Do it. That's what we do to our dog. Four o'clock. What do you own? Uh, another tough call here. Uh, I think I put Tiny Tune in adventures because I love it, but I feel like I watched that enough that I probably would have seen it. Carmen San Diego is also on the only question I have and I think that they know the answer based on the year is if it's the animated Carmen San Diego, it's fucking out. I couldn't tell from the, this is the animated Carmen San Diego game show is called Where in the World is Carmen? But I didn't know if the TV guy would list it that way or not. It's also not on a PBS station. It's on a network. Yeah, if it was Where in the World is Carmen San Diego, I probably would have maybe, I would have been torn because I really love that show. I was out because you're a big rock of hella fan. I love rock of hella. They're playing in Boston and they sing that song every single time. Doo, bop, dip, doo, bop, doo, bop, dip it up, bop. Wait, no, that's mbop. That's mbop. Yeah, we fucking out. We turned into mbop. Hold on. It's Where in the World is Carmen San Diego? The same song as mbop. I think it might be. Where in the World is Carmen San Diego? I'm at this time probably, here's the thing, I'd like to say that I would watch Stand Up Stand Up, which was a really great show that Laura Keitlinger hosted that was kind of stand up clips. Yeah. And I probably would have tuned in and out of that. But in reality, I probably would have watched more of Supermarket Sweep. Yeah, Supermarket Sweep probably would be in the mix too. Yeah, I really love, because that was like a super tour run, but at the Supermarket. Yeah, that's a fun show. And Dinosaursus was on, which is a totally underrated cartoon. Dinosaurs? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dinosaursus. Yeah. Which was basically like Jurassic Park meets the Transformers and is also Lamont Price's favorite show of all time. I thought he liked Dinosaurs. No, Dinosaursus. Dinosaursus. He is an exhaustive knowledge of Dinosaursus. That's a great show. It's a great, I've re-watched that and it's still good. I think it's better than Transformers. I was never Transformers guy, I never really liked that. But I love TinyToon Adventures always. And TinyToon's is a show that totally holds up and our changed cartoons forever, brought us Batman The Animated Series, which we would not have had if not for TinyToon. I still quote the, I mean, I never knew what episode would be on because it was no like guide or that. Right. But whenever they would have the baby plucky duck, plucky duck. Oh yeah, it was so exciting. Oh man, elevator go up, elevator go down. Yeah. Blue ball go down the hole. Oh man, I loved it. So 430, what are you going with? Goof troop. Oh no, no. I hate Goofy. Oh, I love Goofy. It's not funny. I hated his kids. They were ugly. I just didn't think it was a funny show. Yeah. I mean, that to me was like Boy Meets World, the cartoon. It was not like, it was not outrageously hilarious, but it also fit the time. It was just kind of comforting. Yeah. And he didn't want to change the channel. No. Yeah. But no, I liked Goof troop a lot. And then I liked a Goofy movie. And I didn't see that either. I like it. I just hate Goofy. I'm not a Disney guy. Yeah, I know that. With Lifetime and Watch Shop Tia Drop after Supermarket Sweep. Now, what a shop Tia Drop. Shop Tia Drop was Mark L. Wahlberg. And it was, you were in sort of a mall, it was basically Supermarket Sweep and like a really lame, I don't remember that one. Yeah. It fit well with Supermarket Sweep. Captain Planet was on a show that I used to watch more on Sunday mornings. It was a big Sunday morning show. Yeah. Yeah. We should do a Sunday morning cartoon episode. Sunday morning. Yeah. Denver the last dinosaur was on. I saw that. I hated. The third grade, this kid Thad was the first time I'd ever heard the name Thaddeus moved to our town. And he was from Denver. And every time he talked, my brain just went Denver, the last dinosaur. He's Denver the last dinosaur is a Sunday morning show for me. He's my friend and a whole lot more. Yeah. Which is a little creepy. We'll put a pin on the Sunday morning. Yeah, we'll come back and do that one. Yeah. We'll come back and do that one. So, Captain Planet was pretty good too. But I definitely would have gotten a shop Tia Drop. All right. All right. That is 1993. Close the door on that one. Close the door. I was probably definitely not watching after school stuff. This is 1995. I'm 15 years old. What are you doing then? I'm 15. I was hanging out in the city a lot. I would take the train into Boston. I would hang out at like clubs and record stores and that kind of stuff, you know, staying out of trouble. But what are you doing at 3 p.m.? This is when we went with Darkwing Duck. Darkwing Duck. Pretty good show. As I mentioned before, one of the few. If I was home, at this age, I probably would have been watching a talk show. I would have gone with Mario Povetja Haraldo. Yeah. Which would have been, I think, just for the lewdness of it, I would have gone with one of those. Yeah. I would have gone Darkwing Duck because it was the closest. I mean, I like superheroes. There is a show that I had totally forgotten about on the USA Network, which is one of the least well-remembered Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ripoffs and was one of the latest. Because those started in '89, '90s, street sharks and you had biker, mice, or Mars and all these toxic crusaders and all these things like that. And this one, I don't know if you remember this one, Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters. Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters? Yes. I do not remember that one. Yeah. Yeah. Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters. That is the holy moly. Yeah. In '95. Two, actually, remember that show. I remember it being on because it was when the USA Cartoon Express, which I loved, started to get really terrible. Yeah. They had the problem child cartooned. Oh. That was one of the worst I've ever seen. Oh, wow. 330. Are you going with goof-toot? No. I've been going with Ghost Rider on PBS. I did enjoy Ghost Rider. I will say that. It was a pretty good show, but I'm probably not going to go with Ghost Rider. I'm going to go with the Beatles Juice Cartoon, which I love. Yeah, I do like that show too. I think I like that show more in retrospect. What was Quack Attack? I don't remember. What channel was that on? It was on Disney. It has something to do with Donald Duck. Yeah. I meant to look that up while we were sitting here, but I felt like that would be cheating. But as you remember, shit, I don't remember what Quack Attack is, other than the name. The name sounds funny, but I have no idea what the show is. Is it the Mighty Ducks cartoon? There was a Mighty Ducks cartoon. Yeah. But I don't know if this is '95. What are we? We're '95. We're '95, yeah. So the Mighty Ducks has probably already come out. There was, because when they made, I think that must be what it is. It must be the Mighty Ducks cartoon show. So it's the Mighty Ducks with actual ducks? No, but they were like crime-fighting, hockey-playing duck. You're getting a little pro stars there on me. It was a little pro stars, yeah. Oof. As long as it's not Wish Kid. Yeah. I remember. I wonder if that's what it is, Quack Attack. We'll have to look that up later. If anyone knows, feel free to email us here at the show. I would have gone with, at this time, the Beetlejuice cartoon. But there was a show on that was horrifically bad called Exo Squad, which was part of this whole, like, toxic waste extreme. Exo Squad. Yeah. It was about these guys that were, like, extreme environmental fighters. I think I kind of remember this. It was not good. Not a good show. No. That's, yeah. I wouldn't, that's Captain Planet or nothing. Uh, four o'clock what are you going with? Uh, what did I put? Uh, Tasmania. I didn't like Tasmania, and I kind of feel like I should have watched it. Um, it's, I don't remember it that well, but I do remember liking it, and I do remember it was like one of the first times that I recognized, um, like a cultural reference. I mean, there was a, there was a, one of the people, one of his family members was Bing Crosby. Yeah. It was always Bing Crosby. I remember playing the Tasmania Genesis game. Remember that game? Enjoying that. Um, yeah. I don't remember too much about that show, but I remember enjoying it and remember they were always, uh, chasing Kiwis, like, aren't we all the little, yeah, you're telling me friend. I would have, this was, this was a tough one. I, reading Rainbow was on, which is a show I'll always watch, and this episode is observing the change of seasons, which is a little bit boring. Uh, Ricky Lake has a really good topic this day, and I did watch a lot of Ricky Lake. So I was a big fan of hairspray. Yeah. Um, crybaby. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And this one is scheduled topic. Mothers who liked a party, which sounds pretty good, but I know for a fact I would be watching on the family channel, I'm telling, which was a mid 80s Saturday morning game show that the family channel started rearing in the mid 90s. And I definitely watched it because I hadn't seen it in 10 years. It was a show that no one remembered and I used to rush home. I would sometimes tape it. It was great. I'm telling. Yeah. It was, I'm telling was basically the newlywed game, but for siblings. Yeah. And then at the end, you ran through like a treasure mall. So it kind of had fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember we talked about this on the last fucking episode. We did. Yes, we did. We did a cartoon episode. There's a lot of cartoons. Yeah. I remember. I remember at the end, they had to. Yeah. I remember that's what I remember them. Yeah. And they'd always win like a phone. So I'm probably watching that 4/3. A clear phone. A clear phone. I have one upstairs. Do you still have one? Yeah, it's awesome. Well, the great thing is that now as an adult, I've been able to buy all these things that were prizes on game shows as a kid that I wanted now that nobody wants for like nothing. Yeah. Giant watch clock, you know, one of those neon phones. Yeah. Yeah. Most things in my house are because I could have won them on a game show. Yeah, yeah. Someday I'll get some British nights. It's fucking hilarious. That's funny. 4/30 we go with. And what is that word? Animaniacs. Animaniacs. Nice. Of course. That was an even better show than Tiny Tune Adventures. Oh, you're so great. It's really, really great. I would have likely watched that as well. Bill Nye the Science Guy's on. That's a show I have no real affinity for. I don't remember ever watching it. I watched beakmans world. I watched beakmans world. That was a Sunday morning show for me. I never watched Bill Nye and kids love him. Do they? I don't know anything. I don't remember him being a part of my life at all other than knowing his name. But he comes up a lot because he does a lot of shows like Eugene Merman and all these comedy shows. And whenever he comes up, everybody's like, whoa, Bill Nye. Yeah. That's a weird nostalgia that I don't have. Yeah, I don't either. I completely missed out on the Bill Nye. There wasn't shows. If Eugene Merman was doing shows with Mr. Wizard, then I would get excited. Yeah, Don Herbert. I didn't know Mr. Wizard. I show him the proper respect. Don Herbert, Mr. Wizard was supposed to come to our elementary school. Yeah. And we were so excited. And then he got sick, quote unquote, and his assistant came and we were so mad. Kids were heckling him. This is like seven year olds. We're like, where's Mr. Wizard? That's awesome. They were so mad. So then, Sean, the final year we've done here in 1998, I am most certainly not watching after school here. I'm 18 years old. I have graduated. I'm in college. My first year of college. And you're what? 16? I would have been 15. So you can't drive yet, but you're... I'd be a year from meeting the wife. There's some weird shows here that I've never heard of, like Theodore Tugboat. Yeah. I mean, this is, I basically picked a channel and just sat on it. I probably went too late even to make this an interesting discussion, but '98. Yeah. I was doing a lot more plays and stuff like that, so I was busier after school. I was definitely could stay home alone. Well, I should hope so at 15. 15. And I was watching my brother. So I was, yeah, I definitely was home if my mom was working. Three o'clock, uh, pinking the brain. Pinking the brain? Great show. That's a, that's a solid choice. Uh, I, I could have watched that. Saturday Night Live reruns were on Comedy Central, which is also very, very good. Yeah, and I think actually that's probably what I was watching. But there's a great cartoon on called The Wacky World of Text Avery, and it was a real throwback show to text Avery's sort of bizarre 1940s cartoons. Yeah. And it was when they were sort of doing the revivals of Felix, the cat and all these channels. What channel was that on? Uh, it was on, uh, 56 here in Boston. So it was, it was a syndicated show W.L.V.I. Yeah. Uh, great show. Didn't last very long, but it was really, really cool. Yeah, I don't remember that. I have some copies if you ever want to see it. So I would have definitely got them with that. 330, what'd you go with? Uh, I think it went with hysteria. I don't remember that. Uh, I know what it is. I don't remember watching it. What was it? It's, it's from the same, uh, it's with an exclamation point. I should say. Yeah. It's, um, it's from the same people I assume that did Animaniacs. Okay. But it was, uh, all historical base. Oh, that does sound familiar. Yeah. Yeah. I would have watched Wishbone, which I loved. I think I, yeah, I almost put Wishbone down, but then I was going on 15. I'm definitely not watching Wishbone. Dude, I had, I used to rent the Wishbone. What's the story? Wishbone. Wishbone was so cute. Yeah. My favorite episode was the, the Jekyll and Hyde one with Wishbone. I don't remember that one. And he was also kind of like a smart ass. Yeah. Yeah. He was a smart athlete dog. That poor dog. I remember it was Cyrano de Bergerac and then I remember Romeo and Juliette. I used to have a, a, a, like a little picture of Wishbone in my wallet. Why? I don't know. Some girl gave it to me because I was talking about Wishbone one day and in hindsight, she probably liked me. Yeah. But she was like, Hey, is Wishbone, it was like one of those stickers that you get out of like the supermarket vending machines and you were just like cool, cool picture of Wishbone. I was like, Oh, cool. Thanks for the Wishbone picture. Wishbone dressed up like Sherlock Holmes. Yes. This is cute. Thanks a lot. Bye. Yeah. Yeah. That's what my college experience was like. Is great. Yeah. I've never met a person. Doesn't like Wishbone. They probably abuse that little dog. Of course. They would beat the shit out of that. Yeah. They wouldn't do that show anymore. No, there's no way. Beagles are painting the ass. So watching that four o'clock, what'd you go with? I mean, this is kind of a lame, I feel like we're fizzling out, but it's the right call. It's the new Batman and Superman adventure. It's a full hour. But that is great. Yeah. Oh, it's amazing. It's amazing. But it's not, how exciting is it for us to just us to get a show or a show that we love? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's an amazing show and it's underrated too. I think the Batman and the Animators series was such a great show. Do you think the Batman and the Animators series is underrated? No, no, no. The Batman Superman hour is. Oh, see, I don't give two fucks about the Superman. I never have. It's great. I know, I know, I know. I know. If you tell me it's better than Batman. Yeah, and I think that the new Adventures of Batman, which is the one that was in the hour here, was actually better than Batman and the Animators series. Now, who was the ramen? It was Tim Drake at this point? Yeah. Yeah. And he also had Nightwing on it. Yeah. You know, but it was just, it was just a more exciting, interesting show. It was a far more colorful, but I love Batman and the Animators series and it was so dark and great, but the, the thing that it was so different, so everybody goes, oh, that was the great one. Yeah. I actually think by the time that the animated Batman Superman hour happened, they had gotten in such a groove that it was so good. Yeah, yeah. And like the redesigned Scarecrow was fantastic. Yeah, it was really great. That's the correct answer. I really think there's nothing else you could, you could choose them. I mean, I'm trying to think, if, at that point, if I was still watching, I don't think I was watching actually any of these shows. I mean, you weren't watching the Mystic Knights of Turner Nog. Yeah. I don't remember that one at all. That was on Fox here in Boston, I don't know what that showed up again. Oh, yeah. That was a real bad guy. I never was on board with like that VR Troopers, Mighty Booth and Power Rangers. I liked reboot. Oh, no, wait. I'm thinking, maybe I'm not thinking of what VR Troopers is. VR Troopers was a Mighty Morph and Power Rangers kind of rip off because you had big, bad Beetleborgs, Mighty Morph and Power Rangers. Oh, the big, bad Beetleborgs. VR Troopers came in Rider. There was all these just awful. Yeah, Power Rangers was a before school show. I never watched, I tried to watch it and the interesting thing about Power Rangers was that in 1985, those same original Japanese shows that became Power Rangers were bought by a comedy company here and they re-voiced them comedically. Oh, really? And it was called, it was called The Future from Things. They aired it on Nickelodeon as I think called Dragon Force and then they aired it on USA Network Late at Night as like a more risque show and then it showed up about 10 years later. That's hilarious. Power Rangers. And I was like, what is this? This isn't the thing that I like. I remember we got, Power Rangers was definitely a before school show. That's when I watched it and there were, I mean, it got pretty tense. They got pretty heavy? It got pretty heavy when the Black Ranger was a bad guy? No, when the White Ranger showed up and he was kind of a mole. We didn't know, he just kind of, there had been the five and then all of a sudden the Green Ranger popped in and we were going, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. This kid that I knew, there's a sixth Ranger, but then guess what? He's a turncoat and they're all there in the head of the thing. I missed that. The kids in my school were so into the soap opera of that show, which was ridiculous. I remember that was a big, that was a big, huge, woolly shit moment when the guy turned on them and attacked them. It's a Transformers, I mean, a Voltron rip off with friggin', yeah, it's complete garbage. Yeah. I had a friend who used to refer to Dix as Beige Power Rangers. I don't know where he heard them that he came up with this as his own, but like anytime someone would make a reference of like a, you know, a creepy contestant. That show doesn't die either. It's still on. I think it's still on. You're just using stock footage and you just recast people in masks. It makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, not a great show. So when your kids are old enough to come, to go to school and come home from school, are you going to make sure that they're not latchkey kids? Well, I mean, my wife is a school teacher, so she'll be getting home at the same time as them. Soon when you're sooner. Yeah. Wow. I mean, they'll be getting home to her house. Right, right, right. They're a new dad. But do you feel like you would need to monitor their, their TV watch at that point? Like now you kind of are. But if they were really adamant about wanting to watch something, would you, would you put your foot down? If they were adamant, I mean, no. I don't know. Are there shows that you watched as a kid that you really want them to watch, like Anamani Asser, Anitoon, the Jetson? Yeah, I mean, I, I hope that I'll be able to do that. Yeah, I don't know because the stuff that's on now, it's all, I don't think kids watch cartoons at all. No. I don't think there's a lot of cartoons other than the stuff that's on PBS and then the stuff that's on Nickelodeon during the day. Right. I mean, even that. There's no classic art. I mean, you're not watching the Flintstones, like, you know, when we were kids talking to that. But I mean, like, I mean, like, we went down this list here and it was like, there were cartoons on like the major networks or whatever. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No, this is Nickelodeon in the Disney channel. It's all those three cameras that come family. Yeah. And it's just, it'll swing back. We'll see where it goes in 10 years. It'd be interesting to see. Um, I mean, the, the other good thing is that everything is on Netflix and Hulu and all that stuff. So everything is available. You know what? This generation is severely lacking and I don't know what. Yeah. Tell me what old man. Let me tell you what. It's the sort of animated action show. So, you know, a G.I. Joe, you don't know Jason, the World Warriors are King Arthur and the Knights of Justice. No, well, I mean, that's all on Disney XD. So they do have that stuff. Yeah. I mean, but it's, I mean, it's the Earth's Mightiest Avengers and Ultimate Spider-Man. And so that stands for extra dicks. I think so. You know, I, that all, all that stuff exists. Do you remember King Arthur? I hated those shows. I hated those. Was it the Hercules one? It wasn't Hercules. It was Conan. Remember the Conan, the Barbara? Yeah, I hated all those things. He had a, he had a Phoenix bird that ate pomegranates. Hey, I hated, hated, hated. You know, like the action? I did not like action cartoons. Why? I don't know. They were too serious. I mean, other than like G.I. Joe maybe. Yeah. That was about as heavy as I got. Captain Planet. Captain Planet. Yeah. I guess I was at action cartoon. I was like this. We'll check in with your kids in 10 years. Yeah. I mean, if we're still there in this podcast in 10 years, and I say we, because God knows that I'm still be fucking here with you doing it. Yeah. Well, that's what we buy down on the sign of Hills we have. Yeah. All right. Sean, thank you. I got a long day of Daniel Tiger watching tomorrow. Yeah, you do. You absolutely do. All right. Well, enjoy. Bye. And there you go, that was Sean Sullivan and the afterschool special here on TV guidance counselor. Hopefully you enjoyed that. Feel free to email me at can and I can read.com or at TVguidenscounselor@gmail.com. Love to hear what you watch after school. Love to hear what you had for weird little afterschool rituals. Hopefully you enjoyed some snack cakes during that episode. 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