"Wait, you have a TV?" "No. I just like to read the TV guide. Read the TV guide. You don't need a TV." ♪ Double Face Atlantic ♪ ♪ Double Face Atlantic ♪ ♪ Double Face Atlantic ♪ ♪ Ah ♪ Good morning, everybody. I don't know when you're getting this episode, but it's released in the morning, so that's, like I could say, good afternoon or good evening or just hello. In any event, it's Wednesday. It doesn't matter what time on Wednesday. It means it's Wednesday, and that means it's time for a brand new episode of TV Guides, Counselor. This week, my guests couldn't have been nicer. She's very funny, very sweet, totally gracious. It is Heather Elizabeth Parkhurst. She has been in a ton of television comedy stuff. I most know her from a show called Sherman Oaks, which you've probably heard me talk about on this show. Very frequently, it was a mid-90s Showtime original series, which doesn't get enough love these days. It's a very funny show, it was an interesting show, but she's been on tons and tons of stuff. Wings and married with children and just a litany of things, and it's always great to watch in them. And especially the Wings episode, which talk about here, I highly recommend that episode. I really like talking to her. She's got a great story, and I think you will enjoy it as well. So please sit back, relax, and listen to this week's episode of TV Guides, Counselor, with my guest, Heather Elizabeth Parkhurst. Hello Parkhurst, hello. Hi. Thank you so much for doing this. You said you had never done a podcast before. I've never done a podcast before. That's so honored to do a podcast with you. Oh, well, thank you. Well, I'm honored that I could be the first podcast you've done. I think it's amazing. I'm excited. Excellent, excellent. And so I really wanted to talk to you because there's a bunch of shows that you have been on that have actually come up a lot in the show, which we can get to as they sort of come up. You did Wings and Sherman Oaks, actually, I loved, and it comes up frequently on the show, which is great. But the only show in history are on the planet you can't get on DVD, literally. Yeah, although I do have it. I know. I do too. Yeah, I don't know what the deal is with that. That show was a big cult hit, I would say. And it was kind of Showtime's, well, it was like their second foray into comedy. They had done a show called Brothers in the 80s that was more sitcom-y. But they had done some more dramatic and sort of original series, and they co-produced the Gary Shambling Show with Fox before that. But I actually think that Sherman Oaks is very similar to Arrested Development in a lot of ways. Exactly. That's what my mom used to say. That's the one show I haven't seen, but it's just like Sherman Oaks. The format is very similar. Yeah. And in a lot of ways, that was '95, Sherman Oaks. We did the first pilot in '95, yes. And it first season '95. And then, well, actually, we did the pilot, and it took a year to get picked up. Oh, really? Yeah. And was it always going to be a Showtime series? No. I remember when they said that we got picked up by Showtime, I think, originally, I'm not really sure. But they did get into a little, you know, busy more. It was always going to be a cable series, though, because there's some racy elements in the show that definitely wouldn't have flown on broadcast television. Not ready for front time. Yeah, exactly. You know, that is a really good question. I'm probably, I would guess that they would aim for network, because it's such a larger-- Yeah, especially in '95, that was the networks were still king of all that stuff. But when they, you know, reviewed the pilots, they're like, "This show is not a network show." Which is interesting, too, because a lot of the stuff, the first things I saw you on was on, did a lot of stuff on Fox. I did. I was like, "Was that just how it happens to me?" Well, you know, I have one of those, like, Hollywood stories, if you will. Okay. Yeah, I was, um, I can't say he's cheesy, bless his heart. He actually did well by me. I met, you know, there was a little magazine, I don't know, even though it was still around, that the actors, uh, would be actors, you know, people that were coming to LA with Starry Eyes and why not. We would get this magazine, and then very back, there was this picture of a manager, and it's kind of, like, if I had to make a comparison, it'd be like those ads that you see with the lawyers. I got a million dollars. Yeah, like that. Personal injury, acting. Yeah, exactly. And so, um, anyway, he basically guaranteed that he can get you an agent, and so, um, I saw the ad, and I thought, "Hmm, you know what? I'll go see this guy. What the heck?" So, actually, it was the manager and his wife, and he's like, "And I have my offices on the Columbia TriStar lot at the time," which is, I don't even know yet, since I've got our-- I'm sure it's been brought by five other collaborations at this point. But at the time, it was Columbia TriStar, and so, um, went, "Oh, that's cool. He's on the lot, you know, okay?" Right, that's the gym. Yeah. So, I'm in the waiting room, uh, waiting to meet the manager, and there's this security guard there. He's been there forever. His name is Bob. So, I'm sitting there, and he, he said, "What are you here for?" I said, "I'm here to see." So, and so, and he's like, "Okay, great. Have a seat." So, as I'm sitting there, I see these two guys walk by. One guy looked really scruffy, kind of like, had a pot belly. He kind of looked like a, like a bike or street guy. Okay, not very Hollywood. Not Hollywood at all. Like, if you were to see him, like, you, you, he would look like somebody, you know, outside at 7-11, you know. Are you kids want me to buy you some booze? Yeah, exactly. Or can you buy me some booze? Right. And then he had a friend with him, this African-American guy. Basically, they walked by and they kind of, like, walked by and then did, like, a backdrop. Right. And they're like, "Wow, who are you here? What, what are you here for? Are you here to audition?" Right. Or, um, Mary, with children or something. Right. And I said, "No, I'm here to see this manager person." Right. They're like, "Wow, you're beautiful, something, something, you know, good luck." So when they left, Bob's like, "Do you know who that was?" I'm like, "No." Executive producers from Mary. From Mary, children. Yeah. Oh, I know what they said. They said, "We want to have you in for Mary with children." And I'm like, "Yeah, right. This is such such typical." That's true. It was huge. Yeah. That was probably three or four seasons into that show when it was really, it was the sort of the face of Fox. It was the show to watch. Right. Um, I believe it was Sunday nights. Yeah. Sunday night. Fox had a really weird kind of fun Sunday nights where it was comedies. And then also America's Bus Wanted. It was like a pretty odd mixture of stuff. But Mary with Children was the show that when Fox started in '87, they were kind of like, "Well, then we'll throw the show on here." And they put all their money into these other shows that all kind of failed. Yeah. And Mary with Children became this huge hit. And then Fox started doing a lot of shows in that vein after that. And that sort of became the identity of Fox in a lot of ways. Exactly. Because you went on Mary with Children like three or four times, I think. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And different characters. Yeah. Different characters. Yeah. But what leads me to the kind of conclusion success story of this meeting, I thought, "Yeah, they're never going to have me in." They're just saying that. Yeah. They say that to all the women. And Bob, he's like, "Yeah, if they said it, they'll have you in." So sure enough, they contacted that manager because then I went to meet the manager. Because that's what you're going to see. And I said, "The weirdest thing happened. I was in the lobby and the executive producers, Ronnie Levitt and Michael Moyay walked by. And he's like, "Great." They followed up. I went to audition for Weenie Tods. I was so nervous. Yeah. Like literally my knees, it couldn't even stand. So, would you done any acting or anything like that before? No, that was like my first television. Right. Not only that, it was in front of the live audience. That's tough. And you'd never done theater or anything like that before? Oh, just like nothing to write about. Nothing that would have given you a base to be like, "I can do this is fine." Yeah. The thing with Mary with Children, it's not only a studio audience, the audience, they are crazy. We're talking busloads of guys. Who are like rabbit fans of the show. Yeah. So, any time a character walked out or a cast member, they're like, "Ah, you know, it's screaming." And I was like, "What the hell?" Oh, yeah. Because a lot of people always just assume that sort of canned reactions. Yeah. And for the most part, it's not. They actually have to dial it down a lot. Yeah. You have to fold. And so, what happened was I was so nervous. Gary Cohen, he directed the episode of Weenie Tod Lovers and Other Strangers. He's like, "Here, have a shot, a jack." And I thought, "This is a test. I'm going to see if I'm an alcoholic." As soon as I take the shot, I'm out of here. Yeah, I'm done. And I'm like, he goes, "Just do it. Do it. Trust me." I'm like, "Really? Are you sure? This isn't some sort of--" Yeah. It's weird hazing. Yeah. Yeah. So, I did the shot of Jack, which, oh my god, thank God, because I don't think I could have done the show. I just totally caught your nerves. Yeah. Because when I walked out from my scene, I was in this dress, you know, very, you know, tight-fitting dress. And the audience was like, "Woo-hoo and whistle." And I started talking over them. And then, Gary, the whole production, they're like, "You gotta hold for the audience." Well, why would you know that? You know? I didn't know. Yeah. But Edo Neil was amazing. He was like, "You know what? You're doing great." That's good to hear. He kind of talked to you. Yeah, he was so supportive. And I was so-- I'm like, I'm talking to Edo Neil. Like, we're making eye contact. And did you watch the show before that? Yes. So, that's even weirder. No, it's weird. I used to watch it when I lived in San Diego when I just, what, '87, '88. And I used to picture my name on the credits. It just seemed like a thing that would work for me. Yeah. And I said, when the credits were all on my Heather Elizabeth Parkers. And then it came true. Did you tape it and, like, just savor that? Oh, yeah. Can't you think about it? Yeah, there it is. On a VCR at the time. Yeah. It's sort of shaky. That's a kind of cool story. Did you grow up in San Diego? I grew up in Northern California. Okay. And then San Diego with my dad a little bit, and then I made a tally. Okay. And so, are you in only Charlotte? Do you have siblings? That's kind of like complicated. But I have four half-blooded brothers. Okay. So, did you, did you sort of watch television with them when you were growing up? Or were you kind of? No, because I'm older than them. Okay. Yeah. My mother got remarried and I don't want to date myself, but 1979. That's okay. So, I was already, you know, older when she has two. So, basically, like, and on the child. Yeah. Exactly. And so, did you watch, you said it very early. You watched a ton of TV. Oh my gosh. You just left you on the basis. I remember the Wednesday night lineup back in it. It would go, let's see. Or Tuesday nights was like, what was it? Happy days. Yeah. Then Laverne and Shirley. The ABC, Gary Marshall lineup. Yeah. Or Morgan Mindy. Yeah. Or what was the other one? Charlie's Angels and the Tennessee Island, the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. I was. Because loveboat fantasy island. Yeah, loveboat. It was a two-hour block. And people forget that at that time. I mean, Fox was the fourth network in '87, but in the late '70s, early '80s, you had three choices and everybody watched these things and they were huge. Yeah. And you know what? I don't remember so many, because now the commercials are just out of control. Yeah. I mean, it's just so annoying. Back then, somebody, somebody brought this up to me because I was talking about it, you know, how annoying the commercials are today. Oh, yeah. And they said, that's because the shows were longer. They were. And you only had a few. Yeah. So an hour-long show was 50 minutes. Yeah. And now an hour-long show is 40 minutes. Right. So there's 10 more minutes per hour. And a sitcom is 22 minutes. It's 20 now. 20? So that's ridiculous. Yeah. It went from 25 to 20, which is crazy. Yeah. I mean, you can't get, you just think of trying to tell a story in 20 minutes. I know. It seems so ridiculously short amount of time. Yeah. That's why cable's great. Yeah. Showtime and HBO. Yeah. And it's, I always wonder, you know, back to the Sherman Oaks thing, that show, the thing that it's like a rest of development is that in the presentation a lot of ways. So it was like a pseudo-documentary show. Right. Which is sort of the norm for television now, where you have things like the office, family, and all these things. It all kind of, you know, we were like the pioneers. Right. It was 10 years before that became sort of the common year. Yeah. And then like caught on like wildfire and curve your enthusiasm. Yeah. Which is funny because Tim Gibbons was our line producer for Sherman Oaks. Yeah. And then now he's an exact on curve. It makes sense, though. Like the shows, you wouldn't, I guess on the surface of it, think that they had a relation, but they, it's all right. Yeah. They sort of have a similar vibe to them in a lot of ways. Yeah. So you, as you move to Ellie, did you move here to, to get an acting? Oh, yeah. Okay. I was like hell bent. Right. You, and had you always want to do that since you were a little? Yes. I used to sit in front of Gilligan's Island and I was ginger. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to be ginger. I'm going to guess you were ginger. I'm going to be her. She's a fabulous movie star. Yeah. The movie industry didn't really come knocking, but I didn't, you know, TV and the movie. And they're so completely different. And they're very different. A lot of people don't really think it's all the same commercial TV. Yeah. They're such different, uh, the little islands almost, not too easy. They are. Because it really are because, uh, yeah, TV is just, uh, you work with the same people and we just did a show last week and I, I know you and I know you and didn't I work with you and you because it's really cool. It's a very small world out here, which I'm discovering. You know, I grew up in Boston and sort of Los Angeles was like this mythical place and I really only started coming here in the last few years. And the more people that I talked to me, it just, it seems so much smaller than I ever thought it was. Very small. And it's not like New York at all, which seems bigger than I ever thought it was. Yeah. There were people who were like, I've lived here for 30 years and I've worked in this industry and I've never seen these people. Yeah. But it's the opposite here, it seems like. And it's sunny because when you grow up, well, a little more than half my life here in LA and now a lot of people, uh, that were my friends like back now they're like Oscar winners. Right. Or the head of, um, like Sony Pictures. Because you never know where these people are going. You never know. Yeah. It's like people you went to high school with, uh, lost, like, you see, like, oh, that guy. So just a lot of Oscar. No, he got nominated, but you know, he has still, I mean, you know, things like that. It's like, wow. There's weird little twists of fate here. Yeah. Just, you know, I, there, there's, there's moments that people's lives take this completely different direction that you could never anticipate. I know. Which is the cliche here. It's gonna be nice to everybody. That's true. That's true. Not if you're in New York, though. I've noticed people don't do that. But everyone is really nice here. It's really weird. Like being a very cynical Northeastern person. I whenever I come out here, it's less now the more I come out, but people will be so nice and I'm like, they have no defenses. They, we could conquer them. Right. Cause everyone is so nice and in a good way to. Well, I'm glad that you had a good experience. Yes. I think a lot of people are humble now and grateful, um, because it's tough, isn't it? It's not to sound, you know, so cliche, but I can't really find any other words to do. No, it definitely seems to be. And I, but do you feel that it's, are people sort of nicer now though? Or like, was it more cutthroat then? Um, you mean cutthroat, from the perspective of being an actress trying to pursue a career or? Yeah, just generally, like, is, do people act differently now? The experience I have is very different from all the things we hear about Hollywood and Los Angeles. And I just wonder if maybe the town has shifted a little bit, having lived here so long, do you notice anything like that? Um, I notice a lot of people aren't as flashy as they were like in the 90s and, you know, early late 80s, early 90s, mid 90s, a lot of people were living about their means. And a lot of people now are more kind of, um, trying to portray this like conservative persona, like their pre offices and their electric cars and the greenness and green net, which I'm all for. But I personally don't, like, I'm dreaming, you know, like what I'm drinking now is not really healthy. Dr. Pepper is good at the, and the diet's like, purpose of the best diet soda. Do you know what they said on the news that they compared this because it's illegal in Mexico? Mexican craft. That's what they compare the caffeine level. Because the caffeine level is so, that's interesting. Yeah. Maybe that's why people come here from Mexico to get the Dr. Pepper. Yeah. I remember the Dr. Pepper. David Naughton was in the Dr. Pepper ads around the what vote time. So yeah, what, that's interesting where people, I guess it seems to celebrate excess less now than at the 80s and 90s. Cause I definitely don't, I mean, it is, it is sort of, you know, the glitzy glamorous thing of Hollywood, but it doesn't, it's not what it was saying in hand. Yeah, it's not what I, it's not lifestyles with a rich and famous, which it may have never been. But, um, people actually, like if you show up on the side, like, if you just, a lot of mistakes are made, like somebody will book a sitcom. They're like, Oh, I'm rich now. And I'm gonna go buy a Ferrari and I'm gonna drive it to the set. And that's such a turn off. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's like someone gets their first sales job and they go waste all their commission. Yeah. So you need to save your money. That's the thing that's been crazy to me too, is all my friends that I started with who do stand up. We're doing very well now. They all moved and, and their people, you would say, Oh, they just did the Wraith Letterman, but they're like, I don't have to go get a day job. You know, so it's like, you still have to live, the, the paydays may be bigger individually, but you kind of have to live like you're not going to get another one in a lot of ways, which is such a weird thing. We should have to decide and we're canceled. That's what it is that we have more Sherman. Yeah. It wasn't because, because our ratings, we were rating higher than their premiere movies. Back in the day, it was what Independence Day, which was a very big film. Oh, yeah. Every Saturday night, they'd have like a world premiere movie. Yeah. That's the first time on television uncut and that's yeah. I mean, our ratings were like, they were crazy. So we got canceled because I have some differences with new head of the studio kind of stuff. producers, you know, negotiations, and you hear different things. I don't know the real story, and maybe that's why it's not out. Somebody owns Sherman Oaks and they're holding tight and either it's a lot of money to buy it, to have it on. You would think it would even be streaming. Yeah. Because you did three seasons. Exactly. I believe 33 to 35 episodes. Right. Yeah. I mean, when I talked to Chris Beard, he's the executive producer, one of the creators. I said, what is the deal? And he kept saying, oh, you know, we're working on it. It's going to be out for sure that this was like five years ago. He had mentioned something about the licensing ran out and it's very expensive, you know, nobody knows who could be in the boner. It could be show time. It could be 20th century thought. Since the deregulation in '96, when all these companies just started buying up everything, they don't even know what they own. Exactly. So you might have GE that almost three production companies that they bought in some merger and they own a warehouse full of rights and they don't even know. They hire people to come in and dig through their own stuff to tell them what they have. Yeah. I mean, it's either you know what, you know, about the show's from or you just have no idea, you know. And I think in a perfect world, if it could get out there more, maybe the buzz, maybe show time will be like, hmm, you know what? Maybe we should put it back on. Yeah, it's an older show. But I mean, come on, Donner Reed is still on and Carol Burnett and all the, I love Lucy. Yeah. They're all sort of perennial shows. I think the moment in time that we're in now is very similar to the mid 80s, when all of these networks started producing all this original content, because there was just people wanted content. They had cable for the first time. They had VCRs, but you know, in for movies as well, you had, you still had drive-ins, you still had theaters. So they were just anything we can get, make it, make it, make it. We'll just put it all out there and which was good and bad. We got some interesting things. But at the same time now, you have, you know, like Amazon and Hulu and all these people. Direct TV. Yeah, they all want content. They're making their own shows, but are just right. So you would think there'd be a place for it for a lot of these sort of lost shows that, you know, a lot of people didn't expose to them because a lot of people just didn't have subscription cable at the time. Right. That's another, you're, that's a really good point. Actually, a lot of people are, no, I don't have show time. I have HBO or, yeah, back then it was a lot different. You had to pick one or the other. It's like Coke or Pepsi. Right. Yeah. It really, really was in Showtime. They have great shows on. Now, and Matt Blank is still the CEO. But they're still not doing comedies, really, which is interesting. Yeah. I know. They're doing, and it seems like, you know, aside from a few examples, like Kerber enthusiasm or, you know, Veep or a few examples, sort of sitcoms has never really been the thing on the cable networks that really they put a lot of effort into for some good reason. Yeah. Because they're capable of doing good ones. They are. They may just not have the prestige of a big, you know, fantasy drama with swords. Yeah, right. Or nurse jockeys. Right. It seems, it's kind of sad because it seems like the whole sitcom thing is just not even all the reality stuff, which is whatever I go with, you know, but I do miss like a good sitcom. I love modern family. Yeah. Modern family is very good. From what I've seen in a room, it's great. It is, it is, it is, but it's what sitcoms are now. Yeah. So I think the sitcoms that like we grew up with, like the through camera, the happy day, you know, and I think that people dismiss those sitcoms, but just because of the format. But in a lot of ways, those are so much harder to do well, because you do have a live audience. You have limitations that you can't, you know, do cutaway jokes. You can't do sort of cinematic film stuff. Right. So it's just the writing and the acting, and that's kind of it. Yeah. The blocking that I did a few pickups on. The spin-off show, Mary with Children on top of the heat. Yeah. What I think was the second girl, I think they tried to do it as like Vinnie and Bobby or something. Is it Joseph Bologna? Yeah. Matthew. And Matthew Blonk. And Rita Moreno. Yep. That was, she, I got to work with her. That was so cool. Was she like the first, so you probably watched her and everything growing up, she was on love boat all the time. Oh yeah. Was she the first person that was in a thing that you watched growing up that you got to meet and work with? At the time. Well, let's see. I would have to say that one of the Bill Shatner, William Shatner. That was the first one that like really saw struck you. Yeah. What did you work with Shatner on? A show called Perversion. Perversion's a science. It's ready to host it, right? It was like an anthology. Well, yeah. It was an anthology series created by the producers that created Telstra and the Crap. So that was like Bob Zemeckis. Exactly. Bob Zemeckis, Chris Rock Miller or Chris Miller Rock, I think he wrote the episode, Gil Adler, Joel Silver. We feel weapons Joel Silver. Yeah. So those guys created it. It was really, I don't know why that didn't take off at that time. That was a really cool show. Showtime was pushing those sort of sci-fi anthologies. So they did an oremic of the outer limits and that did very well. And then Perversion's of science was like their sort of more comedic version of them. In your episode, you're like a, you're a robot. You may enjoy it. I was cool working with Kevin Pollock too. I was a little star struck with him too because I am a huge fan of the usual assessment. Yes. And of course, William Shatner is very intimidating. Yes. I've heard of this. He directed the episode and he was also in it. That must have been just so funny because he's like, he's just like he was on Star Trek. He's like, okay, Kevin, Heather, Kevin Heather, action. It's like he's doing an impression of William Shatner. Yes, exactly. And then, oh my god, I was laughing my butt off because Kevin does a great impression. And I'm like, oh, he would do it back to me. He would do it back to me. Yeah. Oh my god. Oh, he would do it too. Yeah, he would do it to me. Oh, so Shatner didn't hear it, but he was doing it. No, no. Before we filmed the show, we all got together at Bill's house, or William's house. And we, they were playing cards and smoking cigars. Just to the casket, get to know each other, you know, kind of thing. And it was very surreal because that's first time you've met those people. Yeah. And first of all, I met his house and that there he, you know, William Shatner and then Kevin Pollack. And I'm like, am I really here? Or is this like some weird dream? Right. I don't wake up at any moment here. Yeah. That's very, very strange. You must just kind of shut down for a bit and then it kind of hits you later. That's what happens to me. Yeah, I was just so grateful and just just humbled to be on that. They have been able to work with these people. And yeah, I've worked with some other great actors and just, it's just weird, you know, because you grow up with these people and then you're like, you know, talking to them on camera. And then there's cameras around. Yeah. And you have a permanent record of that too. That's the weirdest thing. Yeah. I think that most people, you know, if they get to meet someone like that, it's, it's a, that's their story for life now. But you would not only have a series of those, but then you also have, and here we can look at it. Here's the thing. Yeah. And it's kind of forever, which is, which is, which brings me to Sherman Oaks. We had different amazing guest stars every week. And there was a funny one with Gary Coleman. Did you see that one? I have seen that one. Yeah. So we had Gary. And Peter Billingsley played your brother on the show, right, I think. He played my cousin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a really funny guy. So that, I mean, the cast was very good on that show. And it was, I knew. People usually discover that show. It was very funny. I agree. And you're very funny on it. Thank you. And you've done a lot of comedy stuff. Yeah. Is that what you were inclined to growing up or? No. I just, people used to say, like, Mitzi Shore, the, another first job I did was working with Polly Shore. Right. So you're in a video. Yeah. Lisa Lisa, the one I adore. And Mitzi, you know, she texts like, Polly, Polly told me that Mitzi doesn't really like anyone. He said, I like her. She's a really funny girl. Right. And I thought, wow. That's a pretty big compliment. That's a huge compliment because she, you know, had some comedian jump off the building. Right. Because they said, you know, he wasn't funny, bless his heart. But I don't try to be funny. Are you funny growing up though? Like, were you always? Yeah. People, oh, Heather, you're so funny. I'm like, what did I say? That's so fine. I'm not even trying to. We don't even have to try. You just things, like you say. Right. I don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm kind of like, Dean. Some people, yeah. I mean, some people just, that's your, because you're, you're a character actor in a lot of ways. Yeah. You got to do these sorts of roles. And I think the first thing I remember seeing you was get a life. Oh, yes. So with, uh, where Chris becomes a, like, a male prostitute or something like that. Oh, get a life. Oh, that's a, that's a funny story to get a life. My cousin is Jerry Mulligan, who's one of the, um, like, head writers on Letterman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he dresses up as a woman. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he must have known Chris and Adam, and when Chris used to be on Letterman, um, I don't know how it happened, but I, my agent said you're going to go on a audition for get a life or something happened. No, that's right. I was sent on an audition for get a life. And I remember, because that's when Chris Elliott was really big. Yeah. He just came off Letterman. And so I thought, I only have one shot and I'm going to go for it. And with the producers, Chris and I said, by the way, my cousin is Jerry Mulligan. And they're like, Oh, really? Ring Ring. You booked the role. I don't know. Name drop a week sometimes. Yeah, but you know, I, I did earn it. Yeah. I don't think it's because of that. Well, that group, though, is also very, very tight knit. So I had Adam Resnick has done the show before and he co-created a get a life with Chris and they were in that Letterman writing crew and all those guys, it was like, they're, you know, lifelong friends. Yeah, so I'm sure you would have booked it anyway, but I'm sure that didn't hurt at all. Yeah, it didn't hurt. Yeah, I think I because after I did the audition, um, yeah, and I worked with that lady. Oh gosh, I'm blanking on her name. Uh, I don't think she's with us anymore, but she had the, well, she was like an older lady and maybe her 65. Okay. What's she doing in the episode? She's precious. Oh, she's like Chris's pimp. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I can't think of the name of the actor. Yeah. I want to say who was that? Um, the golden girls. Who was the bitchy lady? B.R. Not B.R. for? Yeah, she was kind of like B.R. for type. Yeah, that's a really funny episode and such a weird show as well. I know. But dude, so your cousin was a writer for Letterman. Did you know that growing up? Yeah. Were you close with that? I did. I used to say, oh, you know, when I was really young and you'd say Heather, you know, Hollywood's very tough. I don't care. I'm tough. And so I wanted it. I had, I had the tiger. Nothing was going to stop me. So you were always just like doing this. There's no other, that's the only thing I can do. Yeah. There's nothing else. Nothing else. Unless I become an acting coach. What's it not going to do? Right. Right. Right. Well, that's not known once the, you know, coach of baseball team. They want to play on the team. Right. Right. But yeah, I just used to watch Letterman as a kid, knowing that your cousin was writing for it. Sometimes because he's, I love day but Letterman, he's so weird, you know. But yeah, I mean, I wouldn't like record it or anything, but if it was on, sometimes I'd watch it just because it depends on who the guests would be. Right. And that show was, I mean, in the 80s, I think people don't now don't really realize how huge and innovative that show is. I know. Like Terry Gar, Bluster Hart, she's really ill right now. Yeah, she is with that last year. But she used to do some hilarious stuff. I know. He loved her. Yeah. And she was one of those people that you would see in things. She'd be great in them. Mr. Mom. Mr. Mom is great. I love this stuff. I know. And Joanne's so good. Yeah. John Heade. I think that's John Heade's first. I love anything John Heade's. I think Big John Heade's. Bless his heart too. Yeah. What is your favorite John Heade movie? Let's see. John Heade's, if I'm correct, the one pretty pink. And the other one's 16 candles. Yeah. Okay. So the Molly Ringwald teenage cycle. Oh yeah. Because I'm not to name drop but a good friend of mine is Jed Nelson. And he is such a funny guy. Oh yeah. Sweetheart. He's from New Hampshire. She is. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Maine. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's hilarious. He's hilarious in person. Is he really? It's funny because he was pretty intense. I know. Terrifying characters. Freaking funny. Yeah. It's like Jed stopped. Right. It's too much. Yeah. It is too much. Where did you, did you work with him at some point or just kind of? Yeah, I did. Actually, I did a film with him called Conflict of Interest with Alyssa Milano, Jed Nelson. Yeah. And some newcomer and he never worked again. I don't know what happened. Gary Dave has directed it and he has some big major stunt car racer driver. It's like an action movie. No. Gosh. That was like 1992. Okay. It was kind of like an alpha dog kind of, you know, one of those. Yeah. Yeah. It's a crime thriller type movie. Yeah. Exactly. So you were in some dramatic stuff as well. I think you did a 90210. I did. I'm actually in the montage. Okay. Okay. So when you, you know, when, if you see it again, when he takes his sunglasses off the girl coming up from the beach, that's me. That's me. Yes. So it would be in the opening credits? Opening credits. But also, I'm in the episode called Party Fish. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Forgot the role I played. Oh my gosh. It was probably a week's worth of work. Yeah. And then I did Melrose Place. Pretty much any. All those hour long drama type. Yeah. From the 90s. Did you, did you like doing those kinds of roles more than the comedy? Or real? They were so different. Yeah. From sitcoms. Because they were like movies presumably. Right. Yeah. Much slower paced. Like I worked, what was that one? Lorenzo, Lorenzo. Renegade. Renegade. Yeah. That was, that was fun show. I really prefer second. I love the just going to the lot, you know, meeting the cast, going over the script, the table read, the whole process. It's just a faster paced. And you like being in front of the live audience. Yeah. It seems to be. My favorite was probably, well, Mary with Children, then George Carlin, for sure. Do you remember, I think three episodes of George Carlin? I did the last episode. They got canceled. I was going to be a reoccurring nurse Heather the last two. Yeah. Sam Simon. Yep. And that show had an amazing, outrocco was on that show. Oh my gosh. That shit. And then George Carlin, I think. Yeah. It was so weird that George Carlin didn't get a sitcom until 1996, you know? Yeah. It was. It was toned on Warner Brothers. Yeah. It was next order friends. Which is, no one thought was going to be a big show either. There was like eight new shows that season that they're like, these are the shows. And then that was the one that, that made it. And I remember being very excited for the George Carlin show. And it was, it was kind of like, I described to people as it was like a mix between Cheers and Taxi. Yeah. He's a taxi driver that hung out in the bar. Gosh, I don't even, because I, when I would get the scripts, I would really just get messengers my, just your parts kind of thing, like highlights. It's such a blur to me back then. But that was such a great show to work on. Oh, because the, I mean, just the, the caliber of people in that show must have been really intimidated. It was. The first thing, I remember, I went on an audition for like a one-liner for George Carlin. And I didn't get it. I'm thinking, oh, that's great. I, I'm a horrible actress. I didn't even get a one-liner. Yeah. So then my agent called, like, I don't know, a week later, I have an audition for a George Carlin show. And I said, I just did that. Yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna go. I'm probably not gonna get it again. So when in there, audition Sam was in there. I don't think George was in there. And I remember, I read the part and I booked it. So when I'm, when we were filming on set actual show night in between, you know, when they're setting, yeah, and all that stuff, Sam Simon comes up to me and he's like, you know, when you came in the first time, and I didn't hire you for that role, I'm like, yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, I do. You like, after with my head for like a long time. And he goes, that's because I was saving you for a better part. That's the best case scenario. Yeah, because you can never like get people get all these scenarios in their head and they think, I'm horrible. Right. You know, and that's what I do when you think, you know, you think all these things and it's never, never ends up being that. And you also kind of never, you, that's unusual that you got to find out why you didn't get the role because that is very unusual. Yeah, almost probably never now, right, which is probably just drives you insane. Yeah, driving nuts. You asked me earlier, people that I have met that have been kind of like, well, Rodney Dangerfield. Oh, wow. That was a trip. Yeah, because I read for his last man, Wally Sparks. Oh, yeah. That was his last one. Yeah. Yeah, it was the last movie. Right before I went into audition, they're like, Oh, by the way, I just like, you know, Rodney's in there. I'm like, Oh, thanks for springing that. I'm telling me. And he was so stone. He was sitting on a chair. I didn't get the role for whatever reason, but I got to meet him. Yeah, I mean, that's like just a warning in and of itself. Yeah, that was really cool. So did you used to listen to a lot of stand up when you were growing up? To stand up, hmm, to be honest, not really, not that I'm a, you know, maybe Richard Pryor growing up, George Carlin. I never really liked Gallagher. You're not alone. Yeah. Okay. No offense. If you're listening, I like he was a person. Yeah, I got, I got, I did a festival with him once. And he kind of cornered me on the street and he was eating this giant box of cheese. It's like a man purse thing. And he's like, tell me your jokes. I'll fix them. Tell me some of your jokes. And I'm like, wow, I can't tell stories. Yeah. And then the weirdest thing was he, he finished this box of cheese. It's like in like a whole box and he throws it away. And then he pulls out another whole box of cheese. I think it was the same flavor. It was the only time in my life I faked a phone call to get away from someone. Oh my gosh. I got to go. Yeah. He also, it was a festival in Portland, Oregon. And Portland has really strict ID laws to get into bars and stuff. And so they ID everybody. So he shows up trying to get into this club that he's going to be on and then we'll let him in. And he has a satin jacket of himself with like a cartoon of himself on the bike. Oh my god. And so he's like, this is me. I haven't had an ID in 30 years. This is me. And he's trying to use his jacket as his idea. It's a 20 year old bouncer. So I was, he didn't know who we were. Oh my god. And I tried to, I made a joke to the box. I was like, Oh yeah, the state he's from, you have the option of getting your license as a satin jacket. And then he goes, whoa, no, like he for a second believe that. Which was very, that he was like, this is really weird. Yeah. Of course, I like Chris Rock. Eddie Murphy, really funny. Other than that, you know, who I'm obsessed with. Cat Williams. He is funny. And do you go see, do you go see him when he comes around? Or that's a lot of specials. Yeah. I think he is hilarious. I like them. I never really, I mean, but yeah, he's pretty funny. Dank up, I think. I mean, he, he's a Boston guy as well. And it was such a weird lap in LA. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Also, Boston. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird when, when there's that sort of arena stand up comedy is so strange. Because to me, that's such a small, because even in the sitcoms, you probably the audiences are probably relatively small. It's probably 100, 200 people. Um, yeah. I would think I'm not good at guessing. Yeah. But they're not huge. I mean, it's not an arena. But the capacity would probably be like 100. Yeah. It's smaller than people think. And so doing comedy, live comedy for 20,000 people in an arena seems so weird to me. Oh my gosh. Even, you know, especially for one person, you know, maybe if you're doing a sort of live sitcom or something, it would make sense where it's like more like a play. But it's so very weird to sort of connect with an audience on a huge level like that. I just hope the lights are really bright. Yeah. Because I would just be so nervous, Polly. And, um, he has a show at like a round table show. Barn Allen? Yes. Yes. He always says, Heather, you need to go to the improv and do just like three minutes or two minutes. And I'm like, why do you say that every time I see you? Because you are so funny. Have you ever wanted to do that? Yes, I have. But I just, I would have to talk about, like, I don't know, because, you know, women could be really... It's tough. I don't think they would hear me. I think they would be judging my physical appearance. But that could be. Because they always, you know, they, we go see comedy with a, you know, either boyfriend, girlfriend, usually the opposite sex. So I don't, that's a fear of mine. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, yeah, obviously I haven't experienced that. But I think you get judged regardless when you're up there. And that's tough. So I'd have to talk about like awkward dates. Right. Which then people can identify with. Yeah. And I think that too, it kind of works your advantage a little bit too, because people, if you got up there, people would have a set of expectations already before you've even said anything. Of course. Which gives you kind of an arsenal, though, to disarm them. Yeah. I could be like, okay, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Just go ahead and say it. I, like, look like them blonde or whatever. I don't know. That's a good, that, that's sort of a good, it's good to, to set up expectations that you can easily knock down. Yeah. It's almost a, not almost. It is an asset. You hate me. Come on. Yes. You know, that might be funny. Yeah. I could tell right there, you hate me and you hate me and you want to fuck me and you hate me. And you both those things. Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. I don't know. But that makes sense. Can I say F? Oh, you could see what we're going to get? No, no, not at all. There's been horrible things set on this podcast. Okay. Censorship. But the interesting thing is that having not done any live performance before this married with children episode and being terrified and needing a shot of Jack to going to, to going with, like, heart palpitations. Oh, I can imagine. Oh, just like an almost an out-of-body experience. I thought, how am I going to get the lines out? Yeah. I am so clamped, like, my throat closed up on me. I'm not kidding. You might knees. You don't have a snout. They started to buckle. Where they get the knob wobbly. Yeah. Yeah. They were really shaking. Yeah. I thought, oh my God. Yeah. They're going to, everyone's going to see. And all these people are working and I don't want to be the one to, yeah. And then everything's on you. And then I had to come out with this, like, mini monologue about Mr. Snip. Yeah. It's going to be out in a minute. Which is a hard one to say. Briefing his, you know, employees or whatever. Did it get easier after that? I never want to say like it gets easy, but it got, I was a little more comfortable because I'm not just saying this to kiss ass or whatever, but Katie Siegel, David, Christina, Ed, and Ted, the other actors, they were so down to earth and they were so grateful to be there. And it showed helpful. I was terrified of them because the show was so, such a hit. Oh, it was a huge culture for that one. And then I, by a fluke, met the producers, going to meet this manager, actually, you know, was notorious sleazy manner. But he was not sleazy named me. His wife was there. And he did get me an agent, like he said in his ad. And I did book a role. If you had got anything else, it may have not been that way. Like these, a lot of the people on my children were kind of jobbing actors and they were kind of just as surprised about the success of that show for anyone. And that was unusual because that wasn't a show built around a star. Like a lot of the other shows that Fox built, they would say were hiring a name, were hiring George C. Scott to be in Mr. President. And we built this genre. But they were an unsought, a true ensemble cast of people who became famous because of that show. Exactly. So it makes sense that they would be more grateful and more inclusive. And because I hear from a lot of people who do guest spots that you feel very alienated when you show up on the set. Yeah, I felt that way on a show back in the day called, should I name it? You can if you want. Dear John. And it wasn't Judd. It wasn't any of the other actors. It was one of the female leads. And she just didn't vibe with me. Yeah. And I hear that sort of thing a lot. You know, Jerry Burns, as Kirk, is another Boston guy, actually. I think you're John. Yeah. He's a nice guy. Oh, yeah. I've heard he's a great guy. Even though it wasn't really, it was like a quick. Yeah. Because he was kind of like the ladies, men, ladies. Yeah. Yeah. He was very not everyone. Judd was kind of more reserved, you know. Yeah. He seems a little more introspective. Yeah. But even that, I mean, I presume you watch Taxi growing up. Oh my god. Are you kidding me? A funny story. Taxi. Okay. So when we were filming Mary with Children, actually the Weenie taught episode. Yeah. Next door, they were filming who's the boss. And so this is very bizarre. So I'm in my dressing room and you're in between stuff and get a knock on the door from one of like the 80s or something. And they're like, Mr. Danza is requesting to meet you. That's weird. And I thought, wow. Okay. Tony Danza from Taxi. Like, this is so weird. Yeah. Okay. So I met him. Super nice guy. He invited me for drinks at the Columbia bar at the time. It's called the Columbia bar. It's changed 50,000 times. And you know, I had to decline. Yeah. Because he's married or was married married. And I just said, you know, thank you. I'll meet you there, but I never showed up. Yeah. Well, you got to stiff Tony Danza. Well, yeah. I hope he humbles. No. But no, he, I always thought he was so cute. But that puts you in an awkward position. I imagine that that's really a comfortable. It's like an hour thing. Yeah. And I don't think that, you know, a guy would have that problem. Yeah. And did you encounter that kind of stuff a lot when you were doing these roles? How do you navigate that? The Tony Danza incident was was something that I felt. Ooh, if I don't go, am I never going to work again? But you know, I was just willing to take that risk. I'm a risk haker and I'm not going to go out with the married man period because that would have spread like wild. Oh, yeah. Even though typically, or almost every time a show wraps, not like for the season, but you know, on show night, everyone goes and hangs out at like Montana's. I don't know if it's still there. Right. Usually the Warner Brothers. Little celebration. Yeah. Or the smoke. You know, wherever. And hang out and celebrate the fun that we had working. And then everyone goes home. And you know, their wife show up or girlfriend. Yeah. It's like a work party. Yeah. Yeah. Like I brought my aunt to the George Harlan one. That was fun. Did she freak out meeting these people? Well, George. God bless his art. He was such a nice guy. Yeah. So I think because, you know, he had been through a lot. His brother Patrick was there by his side all the time and his wife. Yeah. Thing is, he was starting a tour after the show, you know, was done. I literally did the last episode. I remember George said to my aunt Sharon, he's like, "Where were you from?" Because she's from Nashville. And she tapped that there. She's got the draw. Yeah. And he said, you know, I'm going to be in Nashville if you'd like to come to the show. And she's just like, "Why would you do?" Yeah. You know, not only that, he totally followed up. And the show, his tour was like, let's say, fast forward three months after more than enough time to forget that. Yeah. He got her. He had his people call my aunt set up not only show VIP access, but she has no need to do that. Yeah. But that's the kind of thing that really, he was like a dad, figured to me, you know, which is great. And I've heard great, like so many great stories like that about people, you know, where like a friend of mine wrote him a letter in high school. It's that kind of interview from my high school paper or something. To George. To Johnny called him. See? It's some 17-year-old kid who fell off that. I mean, I am not higher than anyone. I'm not opposed to doing extra work. I'm not opposed to doing anything. You know, I think everyone is equal. I'm not too good for anything or anybody. And I'm grateful. Like, I'm so grateful that you invited me here. Thank you for doing it. I mean, plattered. I'm just so excited. It's so, for me, it's great to meet you and people like you and her on these things that I love, you know, watching. And it's interesting to hear from the other side. And also, it's interesting. And the thing that I'm finding from listeners, and I get these emails, is that everybody watch TV. Like, if you peel back to everybody, no matter how different you are now as adults, when you go back, everyone kind of watch the same things or has very similar experiences when, you know, I'm home alone and I'm watching these shows as a kid. And so, hearing from people who made the things that a lot of us watched, or in the things a lot of us watched, I think similar experiences is great. To hear the little, like, how it was built. I wanted to bring up a community and that I worked with that passed away. Very funny guy, Bob. He died of cancer. Robert Schimmel. Yeah, such a nice guy. I did a wrap, a wrap around for him to sell a show that he was pitching to Warner Brothers. And I want to find that tape somewhere. I can see if I know anyone that has a copy. Okay, that would be great. Yeah, he, I met him when I worked at, I worked at a radio station Boston and came in and he was very funny. Yeah. And he did, he had cancer a few times. I know. He did a bunch, a lot of his albums were about it. I know, I know. He's a really funny guy. So, one thing I do want to bring up as well is, is the thing that probably most of the listeners would know you from, but may not know they know you from this, but the Swedish bikini team. Oh, yeah. Which was a huge culture. Oh my gosh. And not only that, it was so controversial, controversial. I can't speak after I drink. It's quite alright. Maybe I need a shot at Jack and Dr. P. That was amazing. We didn't know what we were getting. Is it Miller? What was the beer? Um, strobes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, Milwaukee. Yeah. Oh, Milwaukee. That's right. Yeah. And just went to a normal commercial audition. Yeah. Got it all back. And the director was an English man. I gosh, I don't remember what her name, because it, you know, we're going back. And it's a commercial that you probably worked on a day for. No, we did three commercials and we shot over, you know, a few months. Was it always intended to be three? No. My sense of it was that they did one and people went nuts. It was one, and then they wanted to do this whole campaign thing. And what happened was when the, I guess, in, okay, when the commercial started airing, allegedly, some of the men that were working in these actual strobes, brewery where they make the beer, put our posters up. Okay. And that made the women who were working there feel very, you know, yeah. Yeah. And said that we were degrading the women. We were degrading to women in the work environment or something like so, they killed the whole campaign. Right. They actually sent us FedEx prepaid envelopes to send our wigs back. Right. Our little red shorts. So you have to keep that sort of stuff. Our tank top and our satin. You remember the satin jacket? Yeah. Yeah. And they want, I said, like Gallagher had. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I'm like, you know, you're not getting this stuff back. And we had this contract and saying, like, everything that has to do with the Swedish bikini team. And they got, they were sued. Yeah. By, by Sweden. No, I know. Yeah. By these ladies, like five ladies. Because it was a parody of soda. It was around the 92 Olympics, I think. Yeah. It was a clearly, it was sort of a parody of beer commercials. Yeah. I mean, Spuds was out. Yeah. And, and, you know, all these. Because there was these, these beer commercials that, you know, people maybe didn't grow up with them might not remember, but it would be like the guy cracks a beer open and all of a sudden it's like a party with all these bikini girls. No, I did those. I did the Miller Lite commercials. Okay. Can you combine this? Yes. Michael Bay directed them. Do you really? Yeah. That's how I met him. That's good news. When he was just a commercial director. That, that makes perfect sense. I know he was directing those. Yes. The Swedish bikini team ones were almost a parody of those kinds of ads. Yeah. They were around the same time, because I remember I went on another. Lisa Fields is the casting director of Michael Bay, always uses for everything. And so went for an audition. Miller Lite booked it and then met Michael on the set. Yeah. It was the hockey one. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I was playing hockey and all that stuff. And it was funny because on the audition, like, can you play or can you ice skate? And I'm like, of course, I can ice skate. Never ice skating before. No. So I'm on the ice. All the callback girls had to show up in Burbank at the, you know, ice skating rink there. Right, and they gave us a puck and a, you know, was the stick from the puck. Yeah. Yeah. They threw it out there. And here I am, like, fall. That's dangerous. Complete bull at myself. Everyone was laughing. They're like, yeah. And Michael's like, I thought you could ice skate. No, but I ended up booking it, which was awesome. And then we did that. And then they did another commercial where it was, can you combine golf with something? Yeah, because the country was like, can you have great taste and less filling? Yeah. Can you do these other things? No. Right. We can do this. Yeah. Yeah. And it smashed the thing that's going to be with. Yeah. So people recognize you from those ads? Did you know the first thing that you remember getting recognized from? First thing that I remember was I was at LAX. Oh, no, I was flying from LAX. I actually got on my cousin's funeral of all things. And I'm walking through the airport and like, I don't know, it must have been the team, a soccer team, or some team. Oh, my God, the Polishore thing. Okay. Yeah. You know, MTV. It was all the time. That was when Polishore was on Jay, and it was on all the time. They were surrounding me, like, I was so bizarre because that had never happened to me before. And then Sherman Oaks sometimes, I was at this restaurant once, and it was this quiet place in this guy. He was sitting, like, I'm sitting here with you. And he was in the table and back of you right now. And he was with his mom, and he's like, Oh, my God. Heather Elizabeth Parker. Oh, my God. I love you. And I was like, Oh, my God, is this really happening? Yeah. I'm like, wow, I'm not that great dude. Like, seriously. But I was so taken aback. Yeah, because you never expect this really? Yeah. And then a few times, like, one warehouse records was around. I was in, you know, just kind of, because I'm the big music person. Yes, I was like looking for some CDs. And there's like three girls, and they kept looking at me. And I thought, I thought they're hating on me. Like, what's your problem? So I'm like, isn't my imagination? Okay, I'm being paranoid. So they go around the hall, the little aisles, they look again, and I'm like, clearly. So I was just about to like, and then they come up, are you Heather Elizabeth Parker? Like, yeah. Like, Oh, my God. My boyfriend loves you. We signed this. And I said, Oh, my gosh, I thought you guys were like, I didn't know what was going on. Because I'm like, you do it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and then sometimes. But I don't know if you could ever get used to that kind of stuff. No, it's just the weirdest times when like, I'll go to a restaurant and the dad would be like, I know you, you're on, we on Sherman Oaks. That's very, like, yeah, like, Oh, my God, I love that show. Like, what happened? Where can I get it? And I'm like, you tell me, right? If you find out, you find it right to show, I don't know where, right to, you know, God, right at this point. Because, because with the, the Swedish Kini Teen thing was so high profile, but it was difficult to recognize you guys. Yeah, we had to wait on. But there, there was parody and all these things. There was like, merchandise and all this stuff. Yeah, it was on the Simpsons. And, yeah, it was on all kinds of things. Little references here and there was a reference from Breaking Bad. Yes, it still comes up. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of neat. I had just started binge watching. I finished the whole, you know, all of the seasons. And it was when I was... Did you do a double take when it was referenced? I'm like, wait a sec. Did he just, I mean, I got, I'm just Netflix. So I had to do a little red bar thing. Right, right. I was like, wow, that's so cool. Yeah, it was really, it's so weird. I don't think I'll ever get used to that, you know? Yeah, well, it's so unnatural, you know, but at the same time, it's, you know, you become part of that, that history, you know, it's part of the lexicon of the popular culture. Yeah. And it's kind of always there. Definitely pop culture, for sure. Yeah. Just from the Swedish, Christianity, American children and the Sherman Oaks. Yeah. You know what kind of makes Sherman Oaks more special now is because you can't get it. Yeah. We all want what we can't have. Right. And it gets this, this sort of mythical. Yeah. So I have this gut feeling and that it's gonna, something's gonna happen where it's gonna, you know, either a showtime again or someone's gonna just slap down a bunch of money and buy the show and make money. Maybe it's because they don't want to pay the actors, residuals. It could be. Although in a contract. And it's not like doing a lot of music rights or anything on that show. No, it was all. Yeah. All the music was done by Chris's son. So it's not like they have cops on it. He has a very theatrical family. They all use editing or scoring or. Have you re-watched that show since? You know, it's funny. I watched an episode just recently and I don't remember even being there. But I mean, how crazy is that? Well, you shoot so many. I mean, it's like if you showed me a video of me and my office job from 10 years ago, I probably wouldn't remember. I'm like, oh my gosh, it was an episode where one of my favorite episodes actually was where Gilbert, Gilbert Gottfried was the voice over for the parents. Yes. When we had the neighbors, the African-American neighbors that moved in next door and he said that bad word during dinner. And that was so funny. Oh yeah, there was some great. They really pushed the envelope. They absolutely did. And there was for the show Brothers that showed time at earlier, there was an HBO show called Dream On as well. Kind of rings the bell. Brothers does now too a little good. They would, they would have these shows, then they were kind of shoehorned things in there that was like, we're on cable. So we should have some nudity or like we should swear. But it, when that stuff appeared on Sherman Oaks, it seemed more integral to the show. It wasn't as shoehorned in. And that was sort of refreshing because the other shows, it would almost be jarring. Like you're like, oh, we just had to remind us that this is cable for a second. But it all worked within the plots and was all sort of worked in that show. So it seemed, so a lot of times when you'd see these other shows on the network, on the cable networks, it would seem like a regular networks sitcom that we've just put like extra spicy material in. Right. But we put the stuff that you, we could never put on network. Right. Just for the novelty of it. Yeah. But Sherman Oaks seems like, no, we designed this show to be on this sort of network. Yeah. For instance, when I did Wings, there's, they... It's a really funny episode. It's a Halloween episode. You don't even know what happened. Okay. So on show night, all the, the suits come down. Sanders and practices. Yeah. They, and something else, they come down to make sure. So one of the takes I did, because I go for it. Right. Like Lucy. When I get off, you know, I just got back from Vegas. Hello now. Harry, Harry. I jumped on the coffin. Right. Like on it. And everyone was dying because I was like, no, too soon Harry. And he was cracking up. They're like, we really love that. That was funny. But that's too much for TV, for network stuff. So let's do that again, but like, keep up that energy. Right, but less physical. But like, you know, so that's when I leaned over this thing. He was like, "Hey Harry." Right. And he was like, and then she slapped him in the face. Yeah. They lost the body. Yeah. They got the wrong body. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, I loved that show. That's, that's one of the other shows that comes up by the time Cooper who used to cast, um, Brady Bunch. Oh, really? Cast that. That's weird. You never think Brady Bunch in wings. I know. He was, I don't know if he's around. I would be surprised if he was. Yeah. But did you, were you a big Brady Bunch band growing up? Um, still, I still watch Brady Bunch. Yeah. It just, you know, it does something. Is it a comfort show? Yeah. It, like, I can relate to all of them. Right. And I've met Chris Knight before. Yeah. Really nice guy. I met him twice. I met him only with on the show with Jack Klugman with it. You again, with John Stamos. Yeah. I think it was with John because I met John the same. It must have been you again. Yeah. Which was a remake of a British show called Home to Roost. Oh, okay. And dear John was a remake of our British show as well. Yeah. So that was, that was about '88 or '89 probably. Yes. It might have even been '87. Yeah. Could have been. Because I, we've gotten invited to this set. My friend Gina knew somebody like, hey, you want to go to this taping? Right. I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah. So that's how. And you saw Chris Knight and you're like, it's, it's Peter. Oh my God. Yeah. Here's the super nice guy though. That is, yeah. I mean, that show was everybody. There was generation after generation of people grew up with that on just forever. And so, you know, in the history of that show, like behind the scenes, the stuff that went on, I, I couldn't even believe it. Yeah. But that's what you get, you know, when they basically we watched those people. Like the dad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I mean, but a totally different time you had to live, you know, a totally public and a private life, which would almost be nice now. It's some people. Yeah. But it's almost the opposite of Sherwood Oaks where that show's so overexposed. And you have people who, it's just part of them forever. Yeah. It just has never not been on in the last 40 years. I turned my daughter on to that show. I'm like, you got to watch your Brady bunch. And do, was she a do it? Um, you know, I don't think she really, she's kind of really interested in the 70s. Right. You know, it's far enough away. Yeah. She wants to know all about, you know, how, um, like my mom still has the phone. Okay. Yeah. With the 40 foot twist. Yeah. The twisty cable. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just things are more simple and, you know, and just socially you, you know, people actually talked instead of testing and all this crazy stuff. And one thing I always complain about is that there's whole generations of guys that won't have to call completely terrified of having to call and get through a gatekeeper of like a dad or an older brother. Right. Cause that was, you heard of the call and it would be like, Oh, no, I hope the dad doesn't meet me down the street. Yeah. No, it's a parlor. Yeah. Now you just go right to that. We don't even have to talk to them. That's scary. Yeah. You know, it's kind of sad because they are, you know, the kids are wasting so much brain power. And people are just creating this sort of free content to micro amuse each other. And it's very weird where it's going. Yeah. I, it's the first thing I'm glad I missed that. Yeah. Gap. It's, it's, although I imagine for that stuff, I feel like people probably felt in the 50s on a rock and roll. Like, I don't understand it. And I don't get much to get out of this. Right. You know, I imagine that. Yeah. So, you know, maybe we'll be proven wrong. It's just two, everything's too quick and fast and you know, it's show. If you watch older shows now, even if there shows you grew up with, you're, it's shocking how slow they are because you, you realize how you've slowly gotten used to the way that the fast pace of things now. And it's, it's, you know, a rewatch shows a lot and even sick comes from the 90s. And I'm like, this is so much slower than stuff is noticeably slower. And so I, that's why I'm interested to hear what your, what your daughter thinks. And when you show her something like the Brady Bunch, is it seem like it's something from Mars or, you know, do they just, you know, watch it? Because she knows that I love it. Brady Bunch is a little bit older than I am. Right. We're just talking a few year, maybe five years. But it aired forever. It started airing in '67. And still, it airs every day. I mean, there's generation after generation, people who still have the same, and there's, you know, eternal issues with that show that people can latch on to. Do you know, I used to drive by and if I'm just close with the Brady Bunch houses down the street. Yeah. And they've tried to mask it a little bit. They, they changed the facade a little and they put a little bit of a fence, but it's still so the Brady Bunch house. I go into this weird, like, fantasy, like, I'll sit in front of the house. It goes stalker. Okay. So you walk in and then you make a laugh. So the stairs would have to be there. Yeah. You know the exact layout. You know, when they drive through the, you know, the carport. Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, the carport. And that's the craziest thing when I'm out here is, you know, the first time I came to LA, I think it was 30. And I felt so comfortable. Everything was so familiar and I recognized things, which is nuts. I never been to it. You know, I'm like, oh, I know exactly what that thing is here. Almost every commercial that's like tied or, you know, it's the studio block down here off of Ventura Boulevard. Yeah. The suburban street, that's it. Everything. Yeah. I need like, I know that house, that house is in every commercial, every movie. It's so bizarre to have that. It's, it's, it's like going through the looking glass. Yeah, it is. With the Brady Bunch house. Like, that's the Brady Bunch house. It puts me there. Yeah. It's kind of like you get to actually live because everyone wants to be in that family, you know. It's weird that it's there. And it is that house, but it's not the house. It's very uncanny, sort of strange feeling that. I was watching some sort of, like, retrospect or something when they have the cast or talking about bloopers. And there's actually an episode where they're jumping on the trampoline. They're jumping. And one of the kids said, they're really mean. Oh, cause of the count. Yeah. The real name. Yeah. Yeah. It happens a few times on that show. Yeah. I don't know if they left it in or if they took it off. I believe they left it in one of the episodes. The other thing was too, those shows weren't designed to be rerun forever. So people wouldn't notice there's actually a famous three's company story, which I don't know know if you've heard. Oh, that's, that's, that's one of my, oh. There is an episode where John Ritter, his, his, uh, manhood is on display in a very short pair of shorts while he's sitting on a bed talking on the phone and you can see everything. Oh, I'm sure I've seen it. I've seen every, nobody noticed until 2002, they were rearing on TV land and someone was like, am I seeing what I think? I got the old Nike shorts. Yeah. Dolphin. Yes. Yeah. And it was true. It was that was, it was on display, but no one had noticed because number one TVs were so much smaller. They were fuzzier and people didn't see stuff over and over and over again. And this person had seen this company episode 40 times. I'm like, you know, it's my daughter. You actually had to get up and turn the channel. Yeah. You know, it was either on channel four or two. And you have to plan where like it's on the only time we can see it. Yeah. I remember when they would do the Christmas blocks of Rudolph Frosty. And if you missed that one night, you're done. You got to wait an entire year for that sort of thing. It's the year to see Rudolph. Are there shows that she watches now? You know, she, I was obsessed with any of those Christmas shows. Right. The ones with the little, you know. The ranking bass, stop motion animation ones. Yeah. You know, with the Chris Kringle and all that. She, I don't know if it's the generation or what, but she didn't really, she never latched on. No. Yeah. Maybe because that's all we had. I guess, but it was also an event for us. I mean, it was, it was like, it's coming. Christmas is here now. Yeah. This is the night that they air it. And Charlie Brown. Charlie Brown and a great pumpkin. If you missed that, you're done. Yeah. Yeah. Even though you've seen it all the time. Yeah. And now they could go, I can watch that on my phone right now. I know. It doesn't have the immediacy. I know. And I hope that I'm wrong. But I think that younger people don't necessarily have the connection with television that people like us had, because it's not as important in that we, it's important. Because you'll miss it. If you don't, if you don't grab it, you'll miss it. And it's something to look forward to. Yeah. We were grateful. Right. Everything. Like you said, it's just on DVR. Yeah. And you know, animation now is just, it's almost like just, it's just so real. Yeah. It doesn't have that sort of charm. Yeah, charming, sadly. In fact, the Sherman Oaks thing, I think that you'll find that the people that are still sort of adamant about that show, it's because they feel like they're almost in a little bit of a club who was like, I thought I was even when we saw that. Like Nick Jagger came up to me, not to name drop. He's like, Oh, you know, Sherman Oaks. That's easy. And you're quite funny on the show. I'm like, keep on that. I'm like, Jagger is saying that I'm funny. And he likes the me on the show. You never know where these, you make these things. You never know where they're going. He probably saw it in some hotel, you know, on the world. Yeah. Stumbled on it. Yeah. Which people don't do now because they go, I'm watching what I want to watch already on my iPad or whatever. Yeah. So it's unlike with a stumble on stuff. Then when you stumble on something that you end up loving, you really hold on to that. Yeah. Because you know, I discovered this thing. And it's, it's great. And I don't know if people have that. I know what you're saying. It's kind of like a little bit how breaking bad was, but breaking bad is on such a different scale. That grew organically, like the audience. Yeah. It's like, have you seen Breaking Bad? Yeah. No, what is that? It's about, and then you watch, you're like, Oh, this is great. I love it. So, and I think Sherman Oaks to either got it or you didn't. Oh, you didn't even know about it. Didn't think it was funny. Yeah. And some people thought it was the funniest thing ever, you know. And that's what makes to me and with comedy and stand up and anything that I do, that's what makes things interesting to me because I always use this analogy where you could be in a cover band. They'll probably get booked all the time, play a ton of weddings. The entire crowd will love everything you do. They'll be singing along the next day. They probably don't know the name of your band. And they're not really going to think about it too much. Or you could write originals and you do a show and maybe half the people hate it, but the people that like it really like it. And now they're fans and they're going to remember it and they're going to become like advocates for this. And it's a balance of what, you know, what you want to do and when they when stuff gets so calm, what was common on me and tries to be so mainstream, you know, it can't be that interesting. I don't know where the other cast members stand on Sherman Oaks because Nick Taugh, who played my dad, awesome guy, he was like a second dad. He, you know, did the Geico commercials. He's in a ton of commercials. I know, he's a great voiceover. Phyllis Katz is incredibly talented. I don't know why she's not working all the time. She's so funny. She teaches at the grounding. Okay, yeah. Yeah, she's an alumni there and Jason Bear kind of, no one knows really what's going on with him. Hope he's well. Christopher Ryan Winters is basically Jeremy Renner's partner, producing partner or partner in construct or flipping houses. And I don't necessarily know if Christopher's working. I know he's done a lot of work, different, you know, shows and whatnot. And then, um, Jeremiah, he did a few commercials and a few guest stars. Did you see them pop off like you watch a commercial and they're like, hey, I know that. Yeah, Jeremiah, he was in some coconut. I don't know if it was a 7-up, but he played like a Jamaican. Yeah. And then, of course, Karen came past away that that was horrifyingly shocking. I was not prepared and had no clue. And, um, so sad, bless your heart. It's almost like you keep going to, it's like going to college with some people almost. Like, you have this intense, short-lived, shared experience. And you kind of always have this connection with them forever, but you lose track of them. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's something I think most people don't experience with just a regular job. You know, you don't have that with an office job that you work with people. Cause it's a, it's a much more intense, right. When you work, weird hours and, you know, weird situations and working with different, it's like having a job and having new employees show up every day, you know, right, right. Having a job that you have to like live there. Yeah. It's like a summer camp job. Yeah. I, I have, I have so much fun on that show. I really did. It was just a great experience. Have you showed your daughter any of the stuff that you've been in? Yeah. I mean, she's seen some things. She really doesn't care. Yeah. I think it's really fun. It's weird. I'm like, look, here I'm on this new show. She does, um, thinking of my own children's school. Right. But the Sherman Oak, she, maybe she doesn't really want to watch it because she knows, you know, I'm flopless on there. Yeah. That would be awkward. Yeah. Cause they tried to show her this funny episode with Peter where we're like arguing about something and I'm like, you know, we're talking like something I forgot because she loves elf. And I said, look, this is the guy from elf and Ralfi from Christmas Story. But again, back to not having that reverence for the Christmas stuff. Right. She doesn't, she's never seen Christmas Story. Never seen it? No. I know interest. When Peter showed up, I was like, you're the Hershey Syrup kid. Yeah. It's messy Marvin. Oh my God. Yeah. And Christmas Story wasn't a phenomenon that it was now when Sherman Oak was on. No. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that was, um, maybe, uh, either older or younger. He did that 83. And then I saw that in the theater, actually, but nobody cared about that movie. Yeah. And then it was kind of in the late 90s, people sort of rediscovered that movie. Yeah. I still haven't seen it. You've never seen it? No. Oh, if you like that Christmas stuff, you should, I recommend that you watch Christmas stuff. I think in Top Elf. Will Ferrell, do you like him? I do like Will Ferrell. Yes. He's hilarious. Yeah. That episode on SNL, when he shows up in the office with the like American flag. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it's good. Hang it out. I was like, he's going for it. He's, he's all balls out as they say it for lack of a better term. So just like John Ritter, except intentionally the same. Oh my gosh. So, so if you had, I always ask people that in that episode, if you had a TV guide, cheers and jeers, judges television, if you had a cheer and a jeer for television, what would they be? A cheer and a jeer? Yes. Cheers to breaking bad or making an incredibly brilliantly beyond just amazing writing. The writing on that show blows my mind to the seeds and pay offs. Just the way it's all, you know, intertwined. Yeah. It all makes sense. Oh, so that's why that happened and I get it now. Is that your favorite show that I've the last? Oh, it's really good. And it's down. Yeah. Brian Kranz, every, they cast that show so well. Yeah. Every freaking cast member, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. But he's another guy that was just in ton of stuff forever. I know. All of a sudden. I never watched Malcolm in the middle. So I've just recently found out that he was in Malcolm in the middle. Yeah, as the day. And I sound lame for like not knowing that, but cheers to breaking bad. Well, it would be a jeer, something that you don't like. I think I would have to say taking away sitcoms and placing them with reality shows. Yeah. You know? Because I don't think anyone's gonna have a connection with a reality show. Like, I don't think in 20 years, there's gonna be people who grew up. Yeah. I remember when I was watching the bad girls club and they set up the song where they had to fight. It's becoming so raunchy. Yeah. And the commercials are really pushing me on below those two. Oh, absolutely. Like all these commercials for the things that you would need to participate in a sexual app. Yeah, I am going to start with a T. Yeah. And then, yeah, but you never see for like, you know, it's mostly women's stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And just the billboard that these days, you know? I'm very difficult to shock. And yeah, sometimes I'll be like, am I just seeing this? The billboard? Yeah. I'm surprised knowing like some, you know, bible, belt, mom. Oh, yeah. Because kids see it. Yeah. Little kids. And there was an ad for some Vegas hotel. And the girl, there was a guy on a lounge chair, you know, who was in a speedo. And she was clearly topless, although she was laying on top of it. Yeah, yeah. And there was like alcohol bottles. And it's a huge billboard. Yeah. That's great for kids to see. Yeah. Like put that on the commercial, but just who's a giant thing to aspire to. And then you have to explain it. Because they will ask. Come on. What are they doing in that? Are they hugging each other? Well, it's very cold there. Yeah. Well, she fell down. He's choking. Yeah. She's giving him CPR. Yes. Oh, yeah. I can only imagine the awkward conversations parents have to have with. And those commercials that the girls are like, Oh, yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like having orgasms on TV. Oh my god. This is horrifying. You would never see that in the 70s and 80s. No, absolutely not. I mean, even a show like Three's Company, which is while accounts are pretty sleazy, raunchy show, but in an innocent way. Yeah. You know, he would never, I remember watching like some MTV thing at the gym or something. And it was like, it was like some dating show. Yeah. The one about Are you real the gay? Oh, no, not that. Yeah. That one I've seen before. This one was, um, Faking it dismissed. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. But he was like, they were saying like clearly things that a writer had fed them. Right. But it was like filthy. Like not even a double on Tondrick. No, it's pretty bad. Did I actually just hear that? It's just like three o'clock in the afternoon. Oh my god. They're talking about, I just saw something. There's a show that my daughter and I both watched. However, I had to delete this one particular episode. It is a reality. Right. I do. I will screen them before I have to screen them because they're talking about bodily fluids and sizes, positions, and, you know, mixed in with alcohol. I'm like, oh my god, I don't, you know, this is on a network. Yeah, it's regular network. I mean, it's never not like, you know, Fox that it up. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not, yeah, it's not okay. You know, I mean, like, show it up again, had some moody and swearing, but it's not gratuitous. Yeah. Like even, I'm like, Zoom medical. Like it's like, I know medical that's very like, yeah. It's just too. Yeah. To talk about, um, yeah, it's, I, I'm constantly shocked by the fact that I'm being shocked by things. Right. And it makes you feel like, what? I thought I was very okay with a lot of stuff, and I'm like, wow, I can't believe that I started that. Yeah, I know. I mean, I, I'm okay with it, you're okay with it, but I'm not okay with it if there's a kid. Yeah, especially where it sort of aims for you. Yeah. No one wants to watch that. You know, they're talking about stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, where's it from? Fast forward, fast forward, and of course the button, you know, which makes it worse. Yeah, you've drawn attention to it. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. Yeah, mom, I've been power outage. Right. Yes. Yeah. You need to have an emergency switch here. Just like, oh, look. Yeah. I don't know what happened to the power. Like all life should have a 10 second delay. Like ready to go. Oh, it just didn't happen. Yeah. I mean, or they should say, look, remember back in the day, they said the following program. Yes, it may not be suitable for it. Yeah. It's rated PG parental guidance is suggested or something like that. Yeah, have it memorized. And I remember my mom out, it's rated PG, you know, give up the option. You know? Yeah. And now I just like, I know they have their little codes, like NSX or whatever. Yeah. It's easier to get side, you know, to get blindsided. And G and then SV, nudity, graphic sexual situation, violence, something. Yeah. Okay. We need a little decoder. You need to decode it. Like a kid's really gonna know what all that means. Well, they know it does spell it out. Yeah. Although they're probably the ones that figure out the code first and go, Oh, this is the one I want to watch this. Yeah. So that's where the parental control is coming. Yes. My God, thank God knock on wood is not, you know, I because you have history on your TV. Yeah. You can pull that too. They're watching. Yeah. And she's really not a TV person. She's an actress too, but she's not really like one to sit in front of the TV. It might be because it seems like work. Maybe. Yeah. Now that she knows how the whole process, she does movies, which is completely like we were talking earlier, different than what some of the mystique may still be gone. You know, if you've seen, especially younger age, behind the scenes kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's, yeah, it's pretty interesting to get her perspective on things, you know, to see if you're gonna go, you know, audition for Brad Pitt's daughter. She's like, okay. Yeah, big deal. I'm like, I just said, Brad Pitt's daughter. Yeah. You're gonna audition for Brad Pitt. She's not fair with daughter. Yeah. She's not, she doesn't care. You don't get it. And then there was a couple of other, you know, movie stars where she was gonna, actually she was the second choice. Well, the first choice for Moneyball. Oh, yeah, yeah. But they went with the girl that knew how to play guitar. They were ready to fly her to, you know, they're ready to fly her to Oakland. Like the next day, you know, everything happens for a reason. And I don't think she was. She's kind of not phased by a lot of that stuff. Yeah, she doesn't like you, Jack Nicholson could be there and she'd be like, oh, hey, what's up? She's not going to have a William Shatner moment like you had. No, no. And I kept it under cool. Yeah. Yeah. But I've still, I still thought, this is so cool because I am a star trap fan. Original series star, of course. The original. Yeah. I saw Star Wars 27 times when it first came. Really? The theaters? 27 times? The theaters. Wow. So you like sci-fi generally overall still. Do you still watch any something like that? I'm going to contradict myself. It's just those things. Contradict myself. Yeah. Yeah. When Star Wars came out, I don't know when I, in what, 1977? 77, yeah. I don't know if it was a competition with kids, but whoever could see it the most. Yeah. And I remember going to school and say, well, I saw 27 times because it was like a dollar to go see something like that. You know, literally. That's funny. So 27 times. 27 times for Star Wars is pretty impressive. Yeah. There's very few films I've seen more than 26 times. Jaws? Yes. 75. Jaws? When that came out, I was actually, okay, Magic Mountain, which is 6-5 now. Yeah. When Jaws came out, they, you know how they always promote a movie and you get those big giant cups of like frozen or whatever's out there? Yeah. Yeah. So it was Jaws. And I remember I got a cup and I think I got some, like a teat, the original teaching, which I wish I still had. Yeah. You can do that. At the girl swimming. And I'm such a geek too, when I was such a huge, happy days fan. I was obsessed with Fonzie. I had Fonzie socks. Everybody wants, they were books. There was Fonzie socks though. What was on the phone? Just Fonzie going, eh? No, they were the football socks with his picture. Okay. I swear to God. Yeah. I don't doubt it. I mean, the merchandising was nuts. Fonzie pillowcase. I was thought he was like so awesome. Everybody did. Yeah. I mean, again, people I don't think realize the phenomenon of how popular things like happy days were. Yeah. I mean, it was everybody. Everybody watched it. Yeah. It was all kinds of merchandise. It was just crazy. It was crazy. Yeah. We don't think- Just don't call Scott Bay of Chachi. No. Seriously. No. I imagine he would get very upset. He does. For some weird reason. It's like, that's your- Did you call him Chachi? Absolutely. But that happens if you know this person. So he was dating my friend and then I didn't know. Gosh. Yeah. And he's like, don't call me that. I'm like, okay. Call me Charles on the chart. Yeah. Right. I'll call this part. Yeah. That's another one. Yeah. So he's gonna make that mistake though when you grow up watching someone in this role and you know them more as that than as they're a real person. It's- It's- He's gonna make a slip up. Yeah. Well, Danny Lloyd from the Shining. Yeah. Apparently he's a teacher somewhere now. Just like regular- This is what I read. Several different people have confirmed that if you even bring up the Shining for some reason, he is just not having it. Yeah. I didn't hear what happened. Well, I've heard from people who worked on that movie that that was a very unpleasant set. Yeah. Yeah. And Stanley Cooper was not a nice man. No. Yeah. And- But it definitely seems like it would be- It was probably a traumatic experience for him that he was like, I'm not acting ever again. He didn't have the support of Margaret Children's cast to get him through that time. Yeah. I just wanted to say like, I thought he had a really bright futurism. Yeah. I mean, I guess that- He's an adorable kid. And really good in that. I think that points to how important your first experience is to setting you on that path or not. You know, it could totally scare you off or you can get the bug now, you know? Yeah. Well, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it. You're welcome. Anytime. If you want me to come back, I'll be more than happy. I'm back. Absolutely. I'm sure you have tons of stories. We'll do a part- Oh, I am. I'm really in luck. I'm sorry. There she was. Heather Elizabeth Parkhurst of the Swedish Bikini team. So you can check her out online. Definitely, if you have the means, watch anything she's been in, it's always very entertaining. And I love speaking with her. And I thank her again for taking the time to chat with me for the show. Speaking of the show, you can reach the show at tvguidescounselorgmail.com on our Facebook page at tvguidance on Twitter. There's all me. There's many ways for you to do it. There's really no excuse for you not to contact the show. And next Wednesday, I'll be here again. If you're here, I would love that. If you're not, I will still be here for an all-new episode of TV Guidescounsel. Can I say F? Mr. Danza is requesting to meet you. I thought you could ice skate.
