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TV Guidance Counselor

TV Guidance Counselor Episode 67: Mary Lynn Rajskub

Duration:
1h 10m
Broadcast on:
27 Mar 2015
Audio Format:
other

This week Ken welcomes comedian and actress Mary Lynn Rajskub to the show.

Ken and Mary Lynn discuss technical spring, Detroit, odd parental choices, punk rock, being shaken to your core, Ken's unusual positivity and not Jesus complex, Gone Baby Gone's accuracy, stand up comedy road work and it's relation to your family, early bed times, central time privilege, Lou Grant, Cagney and Lacy, art school brains, being moved to tears by the Rockford Files, The Love Boat, Gold Rush, HGTV, Spider-Man, Cupcake Wars, Donut Pride, ignoring the death of a parent, 24, The Walking Dead, childhood fears of adult good times that happen after you fall asleep, the excitement of the early days of MTV, HBO's monthly catalog, Mr. Show. The Larry Sanders Show, Veronica's Closet, being outed as famous, Simon & Garfunkel live in Central Park, renting out room in your brain, hypnotism, moving to San Francisco, Tic Tac Dough, how Netflix spoils children, weird daytime PBS, Slim Goodbody, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, the odd pursuit of stand up comedy, performance art, Gallagher, Whoopie Goldberg's One Woman Show, Monty Python as concept album, romancing the notes in class, Freaks and Geeks, Mork & Mindy, Pac-Man, Atari, Moonlighting, why Ken stopped paying attention after the turn of the century, Xanadu, Gene Kelly, Ken's experiences with Lady Gaga, realizing your time was the 80s, SiriusXM Radio, First Wave, Kadjagoogoo, "Survivor" reality shows, killing chickens, Flip or Flop, Flipping Boston, UK TV, The Kardashians as palette cleanser, Damages, TV Sign Offs, The British production model, more Mr. Show, quirky auditions, Marc Maron's worries about Mary Lynn,  being pitied by Meredith Baxter, Mary Lynn loving her Bob, Family Ties, Mardi Gras/Spring Break/Cruise Ships as punishment, Three's Company, Soul Train and the blight of Candlepin Bowling. 

[You have a TV?" "No. I just like to read the TV guide. Read the TV guide. You don't need a TV." [Outro Music] Hello and welcome everybody. This is TV Gaiden's Counselor and I am Ken Reed, your TV Gaiden's Counselor. I want to thank you for checking out the show. If you're a new listener, who's listening because of my excellent guest this week, welcome. I hope you enjoy it and we have quite a few episodes in the can that you can listen to after this one, if you like it. If you're a regular listener, you're in for a treat as you probably noticed, it is not Wednesday. And you're getting a new episode. As I said, I've been lucky enough to be getting a ton of great people coming through town, so I've been recording a lot of episodes. And I wanted to release them in a more timely way, if I can. That's a great reason why you should subscribe. If you use iTunes, you won't miss an episode and, you know, they might be on Friday, they might be on Saturday. I don't know. We'll do some specials. But at the very least, you know they get an episode every Wednesday. Anyway, for those of you that are new, this is a show where we talk about classic television, things that we grew up watching and talk to people who are interesting and many people who work in the entertainment and television industry. And I am a stand-up comedian based out of Boston, and that is why I was able to speak with my guest this week, Marylin Rice Cub. She was in town doing some stand-up comedy shows at Laugh Boston, and I was lucky enough to be able to grab some of her time. I actually had never met her before, and she was so nice to talk to. She was absolutely lovely. I had a really good time talking with her. As you can tell in this episode, we're having a lot of fun. I know her very well from Mr. Show, which we discuss here. Most people probably know her from 24, a show which I admit to her, and we'll admit to you now that I have never seen. But I've seen her in a bunch of other things, and always enjoyed watching her do stand-up and watching her act and things, and it's always entertaining, so it was great to speak with her. So, please enjoy this week's episode of TV Guidance Counselor, actually this week's second episode of TV Guidance Counselor with my guest, Marylin Rice Cub. [music] Marylin Rice Cub, how are you? Hi, what's going on? Thank you so much for doing this. Oh my gosh. We're sitting in the Laugh Boston, Green Room over luxurious highways in South Boston. Very excited. It's springtime. It is technically springtime, I think. 30 degrees? Yeah, it's 30. And we're down to a manageable three feet of snow at this point, which is very exciting. Dirty, iced over snow. You're from Detroit area. Yeah. It takes me back. It takes me back. Dirty, iced over snow. Yeah. I actually kind of like Detroit. They put me up at the penthouse in the Renaissance Center for some weird reason. Oh. And it just looked like the Crow. Yeah. It looked out over the city, and it was kind of cool. Tell me everything. What did you like about it? I liked, I sort of enjoyed the character of it because I don't, I grew up in Boston and I liked sort of stuff with some history. Yeah. And I kind of like broken things. Yeah. Whenever I've gone to like Texas or somewhere, I'm just like, this is too planned and like strip molly. Yeah. And nice. And Detroit was like, oh, this has been through some shit. Yeah. But it just had like a character to it. Yeah. And it was weird that nothing was, nobody was downtown after like 6 p.m. Except for Greek town, I think, there was like this weird ones in Greek town. I used to wait tables downtown, right in Greek town. It was interesting. Did you have to like the food on Fireniel Abba? That seemed to happen a lot in all the restaurants. I worked at a New Orleans style restaurant. Excellent. So we served jambalaya and crawfish, a toufait and boiled crawfish. Things Detroit is known for. Exactly. And there was a guard at the door with like a gun. Oh, nice. Obviously. Yeah. So I couldn't actually, can't believe my parents let me do that because I was, you know, 18, just in downtown Detroit. And it was okay to be out till 2. Yeah. If I was working my shift. I always found that too, like when I was growing up, I was in a punk rock band. And when I was 16, we'd like drive to Philadelphia. Like the Bronx and do shows. I was like, no, how's the weekend? Like, no. I'm like, I don't think that there's a punk band. You were in a punk band? I'm not that young. I'm in my 30s. But we were younger in it. We were like 16. Yeah, but punk, wouldn't you have started a grunge band? Me? Oh, it's a real throwback for you. Yeah, I know. Well, Boston was weird. We had this very odd mid 90s Boston punk scene that like bands like Drunk Hip Murphy's came out of and that kind of stuff. And we were definitely the youngest people there. And I was hanging out at like dirty nightclubs that we shouldn't have been allowed in. What's your instrument? I played guitar and I don't want to call it singing. Yes. It's a screaming. Yes. We were like the mighty mighty Boston. Yes. Oh, wow. Boston was a lot of music town at the time. And it was just if a 14 year old was like, hey, can I go hang out at a nightclub? And I was in charge of them. God forbid I would be like, that's crazy. Wait till you're the least in your 20s. Yeah. My friend's like, great. Yeah. That one seemed to care. Yeah. We got robbed by the police in Philadelphia when we were 17. That was very exciting. You got robbed by the police? Not the fans. That seems unethical. Oh, oh, okay. It was actual. You wish. Yeah. Sting came out with a truncheon and just hit us up. Oh. No, we were, we came out of a show and we had like a money box from our merchandise. And these cops were like loading our stuff in. And these cops were like, what's in that box? And we're like, it's just, you know, it's our merch money. How do I know there's no drugs in there? And I'm like, because there's not, I just told you. And he's like, open it right now. And I had to open it. And he just scooped up all the cash and was like, get out of here. That's unreal. Well, there's nothing I can do about that. You have just shook me in the core. Yeah. Well, I like to live my life. Like things like this don't really happen. I'm sure it wouldn't happen to you. You're not a 15 year old or 16 year old kid in a punk rock band in Philadelphia in the mid 90s. He just probably thought you guys deserved it. Yeah. Or he was just like, what are they going to do about it? They're going to call the cops. The cops took our money. I don't know why. I like to live my life as if most things are on the up and up. As if most people are right. Yeah. You do? I think so. Do you know that? That story shakes me to the core. I've not lost my faith in humanity. No, I think people are mostly not jerks. I think I just have an unusually high number of encounters with them. Really? Yeah. I'm sure there's someone to offset that who's had none. So that makes me happy. Yeah. I'm like a sin eater. I can take on their encounters with incomplete jerks so they don't have to. Which seems very back panning. I'm not. It's not a Jesus complex, everybody. I'm not saying that. I'm doing that. No, yeah. You're saying you've risen above this terrible experience. Yes. You're better than us. That's exactly it. I'm here to heal people. And I have the ability to foresee the future and I want you all to give me money to live in my utopian society. I think that that's how you're going to make the park money back. That's how I'll eventually make the merch money back. And once I make that back, then I can abandon the whole thing. Good idea. It's a long con. It's been like a 20-year plan. I appreciate that kind of planning. Yeah. So you're going... I've seen Gone Girl. It's Gone Girl. Perfect. A lot of planning. Yes. I also would say speaking of Gone and Boston is best represented by the movie Gone Baby Gone. That is the most accurate representation of Boston ever been committed to film. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. It's scarily accurate. Really? Yes. Yes. You'll find out. That sounds ominous now. Everyone from Gone Baby Gone will be here. Oh god. It's just everyone from that movie. Actually, that is possible for some people from that film. They use the locals. Yeah. This is where I should be. I've taken my time away from my family. Makes sense. To come and perform in front of the cast of Gone Baby Gone. Does that traveling away from your family really get to you? Yeah. It's not cool. It's not really cool. How old are you at all? One kid? Yeah. He's six. But you know, this is my choice and I love it for better or for worse. I do love it. I think that putting myself in the position of doing this stand up over the past couple of years. I mean, I always did comedy. Yeah. You referenced my old friend Karen. Yes. You must know some of my background. But it was always alternative scenes in and around L.A. This is the first time I've really focused on the comedy club circuit. It's very different for them. Yeah. I've put a little notch in my okay. I didn't even think I could accomplish this. Right. Right. There is something to be said for doing this. But it's a strange time for me at this point in my life where I prefer to be at home. So all of a sudden I'm like, "Hey, let's go on the road." It doesn't really make any sense for me to be doing this. I can easily go to bed at nine. Oh, I have a reputation in Boston for leaving before shows are over. And people are like, "Oh, Ken's a jerk." I'm like, "No. You don't understand. Before this show is done, I'm asleep." I'm like, "I've gotten home and gone to sleep before the last person is on stage." That's amazing. I don't want to go to bed. I have to get up and take the dog out. Come on. Yeah. He started getting sets at the comedy store, but I'm new to the whole comedy store, so they would give me late night. And if I'm, you know, it's such a slippery slope. If I start canceling, nothing big happens, but then they probably will stop you. It's hard to get back in. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, "You know what? You're going to take disco naps." I sleep from nine to eleven and go do my midnight spot. I will sleep from eight to ten and go do my eleven p.m. spot. I think he used to. I think that's why he did those 15-minute naps because of the comedy store in Rome. So you, I kind of plied you with a selection of mid-80s TV guides that you kind of flipped through here and wrote down some of the things you used to watch. So suburban Detroit is basically where you grew up. Yes. Central time. Yes. That always fascinates me. Because primetime, I was jealous of you, central time people, because you got an extra hour of primetime. If you had like a bedtime, that was ten o'clock. You got to watch the show that was on a ten o'clock here that we could launch. I never thought about it that way. Yeah. You got an extra hour. You've rocked me to the core again. Well, now, well now, but in a good way. Five minutes. Yes. Well, that's what I do here. Rocked me to the core of all the great TV I watch. Yeah. You got that extra hour. If you watch the dramas, the ten o'clock drama. I was just thinking about that. I watched a lot of Lou Grant. Yep. That's the only drama I've spun off from a comedy. Yeah. Which that, was that, would that have been a nine or ten p.m. That was a ten p.m. show. Because it was an hour long drama. But Cagney and Lacey. Cagney and Lacey was great. That one like six or seven seasons. Right. Did you watch that all the time? Yeah. I don't know why I remember Lou Grant so much. That's intriguing. It was a good show. Yeah. And it was also probably, I think it aired in '81 or '82. I think it was like early '80s. Yeah. I have to be honest with you. I have anxiety talking about this because my brain is like a weird pastiche. See? Art school works. Yes, there you go. Of memories and visuals. I don't have any. Right. I could not. This is factual, right? Yes. And I know people who, which I'm imagining you are with your stack of TV guys that you can describe episodes. Yes. I don't have that at all. Like I have a lot. But that's normal. I think you've developed more of a normal relationship with these characters. This is deep memory of Lou Grant but I could not tell you what happened in one episode. I sort of remember the way it looked and the way it felt and sometimes when I turned it on, it's a very deep thing, not Lou Grant but I caught like Rockford files and just the opening sequence. I mean, I almost started crying because it's so. It takes you back to when you were watching. And it's so deeply embedded and the way it was filmed, it was just gorgeously done. I kind of got, I was like, I record all, this is going to be my go-to and then I kind of lost interest. Yeah, you do a little bit. But it takes, so it sounds like you were just gravitating towards these hour-long shows, isn't it? Yes. But you know, I also caught maybe because I was on the road that I actually watched the whole thing. I watched an entire love boat the other day. They're fantastically terrible. And there are so many, again, things that I remember so clearly that I forgot that I remember just Julie with her clipboard and her hairdo and all the cheeky bad jokes that they did to each other. Oh, yeah. Did you watch that with like your family when it was on? Yeah, I remember laying, I probably laid on the floor three feet in front of the TV and then my parents would be behind me on the couch and it was pretty much just all night every night. Yeah, so I think that that's part of it. I think from people from like our generation, you were watching more stuff as a family. You were also watching stuff that you probably wouldn't have picked if you kind of had choice. Like a kid's probably not going to go love boats exactly what I want to watch. But I think that it reminds you of sort of family time to a degree, which is why people tend to have those sort of very emotional memories attached to television from like the 70s and 80s, that I don't think people really necessarily have. Like do you watch television with your kid? You know, yeah, as you were talking, I was thinking that there's now, and I'm sad to say or not sad to say who really cares, oftentimes when I visit my family, there's this phenomenon of the TV just always being on. It's on? Yeah, you just walk in the house and turn it on and don't even, yeah. So whether or not you're sitting there or you're talking and it's just sort of is like another person that's constantly talking and showing you things like destruction practice. That has happened in our house a little bit, and it's not great because there is a difference when you turn off the TV. There's more space in the room and there's more like, oh, what do we do now that that loud person is not there? We can start the year with whatever we want to compete. And my son, you know, my son's six and he's aware of it, you know, it's every morning he'll go, how about your TV mom? And I'm like, okay, and I always think, yeah, I don't know why he's asking because he does it every morning. And again, I wish I was a better person than that. And I always think, is there the morning where we're going to be like, no, it's gone. But you know, you just wake up, you got your pajamas on, you're all like half asleep. But I think that's what it's for to a degree, you know, as long as you're not just all day, every day, and I know a lot of people that grew up where their parents completely forbid television, and they like never saw anything, and then they had to like sneak to friends' houses and it took on this like really weird, and it did not do them well. So I think that extreme in any direction is wrong. So I, you know, a lot of my friends who were parents were like, I think I'm making them watch too much TV, and I feel bad about it, and I'm like, I don't think it's that bad. You know, if it's just, if it's a few hours or it's, you know, somewhere in the middle, it's the extremes that I would work. Yeah, like he's all day at school, and I can tell he's kind of tired and, you know, he's like, I gotta chill out with some TV. Right. I just want to relax. It's like he has a big hair. And my husband watches a gold rush all the time. Oh, they're really sure with those guys trying to, with the glory holes, you're trying to find money. Gold in there. They can't even, they've spent so much money. Yeah. So my, so my kids like, come on, you want to watch some gold rush with me? And I was like, no, that's dad's show. I only watched that. That's his adult, like, I'm an adult, and that's also his way of saying, I know you don't want to sit with me and watch my show Spider-Man. So now he's like, do you want to watch some HGTV, mom? And I'm like, absolutely compromised. And we have a show that we watch together called Cupcake Wars. Oh, yes. I love Cupcake Wars. But Cupcake Wars. Oh, really? Yeah. Look at you drawing a line in the sandals. All right. Don't know. Don't know. Wars. Maybe we'll have to take a few of those in. Donuts are a little more blue collar. [LAUGHTER] Fancy cupcakes. It'd be funny if someone had some ridiculous pride in that. What do you eat? How dare you? They're pretty much the same thing in a different shape. Fancy cupcakes. But it's fun because it's, it has that same format. Right. And it's like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah, no, it's all swimming around in my brain that I pieced together as an adult. Who was I just random? Madonna was just on Howard Stern. Yes, yeah. I didn't get to listen to the whole thing. But she talked about, you know, it's famous in her music from way back when her mom dying, when she was young. And she sat on Howard Stern. My dad never discussed it. We never had a family hug. You never had a conversation. You just never discussed it. You never happened. That's the extreme. I'm like, we started. Have you discussed a TV show? Yeah. Like, I mean, that's how. Well, at least the generation. At least she knew her mom was dead. She wasn't just dead. I was sitting there. Disgusted. She was like, mom's sleeping for 10 years. Look at you looking at the bright side. This is unusually positive for me. This podcast. Very good. So it's good to sort of generate, I think, those sorts of conversations. And I'm sure your son will remember. Right. Cupcake Wars as that sort of misty, you know. They're competing over baked goods. But that's, you know, important time, I think, that people, when they sort of vilify television, forget that that can be good as well. As long as you're actually using it as a vehicle to interact with your kid. Not just like, put this on and I'll see it tomorrow. Well, you know. Which is what my parents do. Both things happen. Yeah, but they balance, I'm sure. Would you ever let your son watch anything that you've done? He's watched bits of 24. Or there's been stuff on where, you know, I'm just like, change the channel. Change it quick. Or something happens and you're like, oh man. I was like flipping through it. It's likely that you could just be on there. Yeah. It's a nightmare. Yeah. Oh, no. Me, personally, he's, I mean, he's seen some really not good stuff on 24. But we won't sit and watch a whole show with him. And my husband and I, we watched The Walking Dead. And we have to wait till he goes to sleep because it's zombies. And he would love that. But I'm so paranoid that it's so realistic. Yeah. That, you know, any time we hear a sound. Is he coming out? He's coming out. I just don't want him to see that. Don't want him to know. Or be aware that we watch a zombie show without him. That would be worse than watching the zombie show. That's like that every kid's fear is that when they go to sleep, everyone just has this amazing piece of heart. The pizza's here. Watch this really cool zombie show without you. Keep the pony quiet. Everyone gets right. Yeah. Oh, so many legos. After you go to bed. We hide them in the basement in a secret capsule. Yeah. I think every kid fears that, which is always, always an adult fear as well, that they'll think that. And it's true. And it's true. You're watching a zombie show. It's fun. So are you only childhood years? No. I have two older sisters. They're seven and eight years older than me. The sisters were graduating in like 80, 82. So you didn't have to like negotiate with them about watching stuff because they were a little far gone. Yeah. Really influencing. I can remember when MTV first started. That was pretty monumental. The original cable box with the 20s. Oh, it was exciting. Oh, yeah. I remember getting the flyer, the color flyer for home box office. Yes. Every month they would have to like the, here's what's on home box office this month. Yeah. And that was amazing. And I thought that was as well. Somehow I had to be paid for HBO. But yeah, you would just go all these movies. I can watch them at home without going to a video store. Yeah. So that's when TV moved away from that little kid watching it with my parents. And then it kind of became my thing where MTV and Atari. It was like this little magical place of, you know, things. Was this like the living room TV? Do you have just one TV in that house? Yeah. Was it where your parents ever like get off the Atari? We want to watch the news? Yeah. I don't know. I think it was just understood. Right. This is my at time and this is their time. Yeah. So what did your parents, what was the first thing they saw you on? Because the first thing I remember seeing you on television was it was probably Mr. Show. Yeah, probably the same for them. What's that? I'm trying to think if they even watched Mr. Show. Well, we know they had HBO. They must have. I was on Larry Sanders. I think, I feel they watched that and maybe didn't really get it. Right. I had a cousin who way after the fact finally was like, oh, I've got that show. But I think it was a little bit. Yeah. You know, it was one of those things where they're like, oh, we're so proud of me but maybe didn't really understand. It's always interesting to hear with people who are in the business when their family decided it was like a real thing. Yeah. And it's funny because it's almost never the first thing they do. Really? It'll be something that they always are like, yeah, and then I was on win-loser draw and they were like, congratulations. And then entertainment tonight did a story and they called me and couldn't believe it. So it's always some weird, especially people who are not from New York or LA because it's a very alien world to a lot of people. Yeah. I did a sitcom called Veronica's Closet that Kirsty Alley started. Yeah. And I remember going to the grocery store with my sister, my mom, and my sister. And I'm stuck in the blind. I couldn't get out of there and she's telling the cashier. My sister is famous. This was back in Michigan. Yeah. If you have to tell somebody that... You're not famous. Yeah. Maybe not. But I'm sure. And this is your thing. And so I just stand there like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. It's true. I guess how would you even graduate? You can't be like, yes, I am. You've done your job well. I can't win. There's no right. I'm going to do that. So what are some of the other things you were watching as a kid? Would you be watching mostly alone then, like, your stuff? You know what is another thing that popped in my head that I can remember actually being really a profound experience was watching Simon and Garfunkel doing a live concert. On HBO? I think it was earlier than that. I think it was on network TV. Okay. This was when I was way younger. And it was in, I want to say it was outside in New York. Oh, Central Park. Central Park. Thank you. See how slow my brain is? It's all right. The largest outdoor. The most famous thing. What is an outdoor venue? That's an example of what it's like up in there. It's fine. It's fine. It's not cool. I think it's probably cool. I kind of envy it. Oh, don't really. I don't want to patronize me. Jesus. Don't patronize me. I don't want Robert Yerick's whole filmography in my brain. If I had to forget about Central Park to make that bargain, I'm in. That's fine with me. Yeah. I need more room just for surviving. Yeah. Just for the day to day. Be good if you could just, if there was like a thing, like a long-term storage facility just for memories. So you could have a storage facility where someone's like, "Do you remember the name of that guy I went to high school with?" And be like, "I need to get it out of my storage facility." So do you feel like you have that storage facility? It's just there. It's just here. I want to, you know, put it in the attic. You must. Yeah, I don't need it. I don't need it. Baby hypnosis? Maybe I could try to have more in my brain and you could try to have less in here. Yeah, you could, you could maybe rent space out. Should we get a hypnosis together? Get a hypnosis together. It would be like Uber. You could be like, "I got a room in here. I know using it." I don't know what's there. Even if it's there, I don't know what's there. So you might as well. Yeah. People did group hypnosis. That'd be very, very odd. Do you ever done hypnosis? I did it once. It was interesting. Were you trying to like quit smoking or something? I don't know. I was just thinking I was just doing it for personal growth. Yeah. Was it helpful? I think so. I think so. I did one sort of round of it, which maybe was two or three times. Yeah. And I was more, I thought that I would be really susceptible to it. Right. But I was actually pretty resistant, which I don't know if that just means I have control issues or... Well, I found that people who go into creative things, when I've read about hypnosis, and I used to work at a radio station, and the general manager was an ex-stage hypnosis. You used to tell someone else. But people who are into creative stuff are very, very bad subjects for hypnosis. Why? Because you're already, from what I've read, you're already accessing the stuff that gets put in for people who are hypnotized. So it tends to be people who are more reserved or very follow the rules and very much like, "Oh, this is the rules. This is what you do." And you're more susceptible to hypnosis because hypnosis is kind of like, "I've changed the rules and do this now." And they're gonna go with it. I think I forget that I'm like that. Didn't you go to art school? No, no, no. I couldn't be more. I have no interest in anything that's not artistic. Right. And I couldn't be more wishy-washy or like, "What?" Yeah. Nothing's black or white today. Right, right. But I start to assume that everybody's like that, and then I'll go like, "Meet with you." You know, an invest stock investment guy. And they're just like looking at me like, "Who's that?" How do you think of things to say? You guys, all of a sudden I feel like I'm a drunk, you know, freaky. I've come from the land of creativity. 'Cause I forget that I'm, that I don't, that people are that can be that different. Oh, absolutely. I get that too, you know, like in day jobs and things, you'll make like a joke. And then people react, like you've said. It's the funniest thing that's ever been said in the world. And you're like, "That's, it's a normal..." And they're like, "Oh, most people don't think of things, I guess?" And people actually say like, "How do you think of things to say?" And it's like, "Isn't that what we do as human leaders? I don't understand." So yeah, it's occasionally fairly sobering to realize people are not that way sometimes. As your family like that, generally like are your sisters also clear over their very like straight-laced and... I don't know. I can't really tell. I mean, I think my family's pretty funny, pretty sarcastic, but maybe that's also a defense mechanism. Oh, yeah. So I don't know if it's, it is creative, but I don't even know if they know they're being creative by doing that. How do they react when you were like, "I'm moving to San Francisco, even to the city?" Yeah. Look at you, mixing up the CV with the personal, like knowing things. But how do they react to that, like, was it like, "I don't know if you want to do that." Or were they like, "Great. This is what you're doing." You know, I have weird where I'm from. It feels like you're not supposed to leave your family and you are not supposed to do what everybody else does. So my memory, I think it was so hard for me to separate from my parents and the way that I grew up, that my memory of it is very traumatizing. But if you talk to my parents, they'll say, "Oh, we always supported you." You had the problem with it more than that. Well, I don't think, I think they did have problems with it, but in their mind, they were totally cool with it. Right. And in some way, they were. Yeah. But it wasn't, yeah. So it's kind of this layered, emotional, stranglehold. Right. Yet my parents are very cool, sweet people, and they would never, you know, although they did forbid my sister from moving away because they tried to keep her away from the guy she was dating. And then that made her go. And then she instantly went and moved in with that guy. Yeah. Yeah. That's the best way to do it. That's a reverse psychology. You know, I went for a semester and then I just never came back. And that was another, if I had thought I'm going to move there and told them that, I would have never done it. Right. So I made it like, "Oh, I'm just going for a semester." Just checking it out. And I really didn't know in my conscious mind that that was going, that I wasn't going to come back. But there, but I did know when I, you know, I found a friend of mine was going there for a semester at San Francisco. I was in Detroit and I just, it just, everything in me. I was like, "Well, how did you find out about that? Well, how could I do that too?" You could just leave. Yeah. You could just let you. Did you ever been there before? You went to school and you assumed like San Francisco, maybe not as much silly, but you probably seen it on television and things like Streets of San Francisco. Or like, there was a couple of shows set in San Francisco. Yeah. How did that measure up when you went out there? It was mind blowing. Yeah. It completely measured up and it just, I just smiled. 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