(music) Happy Saturday to you everybody. It's Ken Reed here with TV Gaiden's Counselor and our fourth Saturday morning special edition and our third returning guest to the show. This week for my special edition is Anthony Saveli, very funny comedian, very good writer, cartoon enthusiast, and he wanted to discuss Saturday morning in the 90s, sort of the tail end, the death throes of Saturday morning, but I think it's a pretty interesting conversation as Anthony is a smart guy who I always enjoy speaking with. So I think you'll enjoy it. It's Saturday morning, get a bowl of cereal, preferably something very sugary, and sit back and listen to this week's special edition Saturday morning, number four of TV Gaiden's Counselor with Anthony Saveli. (music) Let's welcome back returning guest Anthony Saveli, who's laughing at my throat. Well, it's wintertime. I got a lot of phlegm. No, I mean, I'm already laughing. That's a good sign. That's a good sign or a bad sign that we have a lot of fun right before the mic turned out. Before everybody heard. So I applaud you with coffee, black coffee, like you like your women in a sex pistols mug, and donuts, which is probably, they are very good, which is probably your normal Saturday morning routine, I'm guessing. Coffee and as a child. More or less, yeah. What did you have on a Saturday morning as a kid? What did I have for breakfast? Well, is that a Saturday morning food ritual? Yeah, see, I didn't really, I really like cereal. I've always eaten a lot of cereal. You still eat a lot of cereal. What's your favorite as a kid? That's now. As a kid. I still make Reese's Puffs? Oh, yeah, okay. I have it all the time. It's basically peanut butter and chocolate tricks. Well, yeah, you know, the ad says it's like Reese's for breakfast. Right. It is. It's not like it's candy. Yeah, all the any cereal that a kid would like. She likes sugar cereals. Yeah, frosted flakes, tricks. Did you ever try an adult cereal? Sounds sexy. Yeah. I used to really like special care. Frosted tits. Special K. That is a course. The course tranquilizer Canada. How many bad comics do you think did that joke? No, I have for breakfast room. Special K. Special K for breakfast. We both thought it at the exact same time. Yeah, I think someone probably thought that about 1994. Yeah, that's that's right up there with the comic who would do the what happened to special A through J. You know, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was also a serial called product 19. The Kellogg's product 19. Have you ever seen Jay Leno do the hack handbook on Letterman? No, it's seen me in Jay Leno's act. It was from like the 80s. He would come out with a book and he was like, this is the hack handbook. I'm going to go through. Well, these are some great premises. If you want to start doing stand up and one of them is what if ET landed in my neighborhood? Yeah, which I guess a lot of guys in the 80s most of it. That one was you've never seen a lot of it. A lot of it ended up being like that motherfucker gets shot. Yeah, that's pretty much it was that kind of thing. Leno, what he's doing it? Yeah, he's just like, I imagine they would beat him up pretty bad. And then he flips the pitch. Yeah, yeah, that hamheaded dick. I don't know what you call it. Leno? No, no, oh, oh, I could eat what a hamheaded dick applied. I don't know. That's actually a pretty good insult for Leno. His head looks a bit like a ham, not as much as ET's does. I thought you were saying that his penis looked like a, like a hamheaded dick that like the top of his penis looked like a ham. Well, Anthony, I've never seen J Leno's penis. Neither of I. That old, you know, you know, your back track. He never hears this podcast. Well, that's unlikely. He does listen every week. Yeah, he emails me probably every other day asking if I can specifically talk about his ham like penis. And it's more of a country ham because it's smoked. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, let's get off of J Leno's hamheaded penis and get on to Saturday mornings. You picked in addition from 1993, December 18th through the 24th, Christmas week, which you don't care about as a half Jew. Well, half care about it. Would you guys celebrate Christmas and not just Christmas? Oh, really? No, I didn't really do any. Nice. Yeah, nice. So you don't identify culturally as Jewish? Well, I don't, it's complicated. I mean, I, yeah, I mean, I do, I do identify as Jewish. So, but not religiously, but maybe culturally. You're an atheist. We're getting heavy. We're getting heavy on a Saturday morning. Yeah. I am a Buddhist. You're a Buddhist, really? No, but like I've meditated. I see. I don't know if that qualifies you as a Buddhist. I've read a number of books on Buddhism and I've meditated. So you, you are more of an Eastern religion person. Um, philosophy. We don't have to put words to it, man. That's true. That's true. That's true. I get a very, varied. Robust. You just say Jewish if you want. This is Jewish. Jewish. So Anthony is Jewish. And yeah, so Christmas week is still important as my point. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't because there are Jewish friends that have that it's basically just any other one. Oh, yeah. No, because I mean, for like, I noticed this when I was in high school, one Christmas, my gifts that I had asked for that I got was a Woody Allen movie. Okay. Just, did you just ask for a Woody Allen movie? I forget which one I wanted. A Philip Roth novel. Okay. A thing on Houdini, like a documentary on Houdini. Okay. And a bunch of other things. And I was like, well, these are all like Jewish themed things that I'm getting asked for. Yeah. You're kind of subverting the whole Christmas thing. Yeah. Did you ask Santa for those things? That would have been ideal. I was like 17. So no, that doesn't answer the question. Like, some kids sits on Santa's lap and is like, I would like a dreidel. I want a menorah. Right. I don't know why they're Jewish things. It's a fish. It's yeah. The kids asked if I could filter fish for Christmas Christmas. I don't know. I've tried to filter fish. I really enjoy it. It's not that great. I don't really like locks that much either. Oh, really? Yeah, I do. What about latkes? Oh, yeah. Latka Gravitz. Do you think there's a deli that has something on it called latka Gravitz? I would hope so. Which is like a potato latka covered in like some kind of gravy? Yeah. Or maybe it's just an elaborate art piece. And like, when you order it, Andy Kaufman himself comes out. No one's ever ordered it. That's why he hasn't returned. They're waiting for someone to order the latka Gravitz. But no one ever done it. They say, you know, you look like Andy Kaufman. I get that all the time. It could be a latka with basically like a fortune cookie and like thing inside that just says thank you to any much. That would be good. You should open a restaurant. So I'll sit calm themed. So you're a sugar cereal guy. Now would you get up at like 4 a.m. 5 a.m. like, you know, the best of us did. I would get up whenever. I mean, I would say you're late. Yeah, why I stay up really late. Yeah. So did I. I stay up to like two or three in the morning. Every night. I'm usually up. Yeah. I'm usually up to about one or two in the morning. I have a routine that I keep. Yeah. But it's just late writing stuff for comedy. Yeah, you do mostly writing and comedy. It's not like, see, here's my point is that when I was a kid, I could have a weekend schedule and keep them separate. Right. Now I've gotten older. It's not possible to do that. Oh, yeah. Like my brain just goes, no, it's a seven day schedule. You cannot get up at 10 a.m. on a Saturday. Yeah. Six a.m. during the week. See, it's for me, like, even like into high school in college, like the weekday was like, all right, I get up, I go to school, do all those. And in the weekend, I just crashed. Really? Just like recharge for whole weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well into college. I was doing that. See, I, I find I actually, this is probably true as a kid too. I get less sleep on the weekend because I'm trying to fit all this time in. So I would stay up extra late because good stuff was on TV and stuff to do. And then I would get up earlier than I did during the school day, especially on Saturday, because I would want to start watching stuff at five. Right, right, right. But it doesn't sound like you did that. No, I mean, I'll get up, you know, whenever and and start watching cartoons. That's for the Buddhist of you. Yeah. And just you just let it come to you. That's the first page of the Buddhist handbook get up whenever we hit up whenever watch cartoons. So you picked 93, you were one to one. That was one years old, 93. You were one years old. Yeah. Yeah. No, you weren't. No, you were. You were you were as a little tall as a kid. Yeah, yeah. You know, I was pretty young. Less than 10, more than five. I was. Yeah, I was five. Yeah. And you have an older sister? I have a younger. I have two younger sisters. Okay. So they weren't watching these cartoons with you. Sometimes they were. But they weren't. Did they have things they demanded of watching or they just kind of went with it? No, they were too much. I was king of the castle. Whatever I wanted to launch. They were they were cool with. All right. So so would you go with a five a.m. here? So at five a.m. I went with Abbott and Costello. That surprises me not. Yeah. No, I love Abbott and Costello. Have you always liked old timey comedy? Yeah, pretty much. Did you just gravitate towards that? Or did your parents sort of introduce that to you? I don't, I've been trying to think about it because I've always I just remember as a kid like seeing something in black and white makes it seem important. Yeah, you you sort of suffer from the same affliction I do. Yeah. Or one of the many I do in that it seems like you just inherently gravitate towards old stuff. Yeah. Where you're just like, feel a bit man out of time. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. I remember as a kid, like, am I grandparents house watching Jack Benny? And they were like, this is the guy that does Bugs Bunny's voice. What? No, no, no. Not Jack Benny. No, no, no. Your grandparents are doing some sort of disinformation campaign. They're getting everything right. Like just a little bit wrong. Yeah. And then he goes on Jeopardy. And they're like, it was he was the voice of Bugs Bunny, who is Jack Benny. And then Trebek just smacks you. This is Harpo Marx. He is almost never talked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they were they were pointing out Mel blank to do. Yeah. And I was like, I have to remember this. Yes. Because you're sort of obsessed with cartoons now. I love cartoons. We've talked about cartoons quite a bit. The only times that I've like seriously thought about starting my own podcast is just to talk about cartoons. Right. Right. And not to talk with cartoons. Just to have to have them on. Well, that would be actually that that's a really good idea. That's a good idea. Well, now we'll wait for Anthony's talking, chatting with cartoons. Yeah, voiceover. Oh my God. That's a great idea. Like a WTF with like, yeah. And you bring on like Billy West. And he does like, Doug funny. Yeah. It's it's like a serious and I don't remember some copyright implications there, since they don't own the characters. But I've noticed that the people again, those of us who are a bit obsessed with cartoons, the sort of line that you crossed was when you started recognizing who did voices. Yeah. Because most people, yeah, did not care in the least. No. And you point out, be like, you know, this guy also does this other voice. And people are like, I who cares. Well, you've seen comic book the movie, right? Yes, with my camera. I'm directed by Mark Hamill. Yes, Donna Diarrico, I believe is in that as well. That's right. A watch and play boy. Because that when that came out, it just blew me away that like they had all the voiceover people in it, like talking about all the roles that they played. Right. Right. That sounds amazing. Yeah. How can this be a thing? Yeah. So you're drawn to old stuff. You're drawn to cartoons. Abbott and Costello, was that your favorite of the sort of black and white duos? No, they're not. The Marx Brothers are my all-time favorite. Right. And did you first see those on television? On on videotape. Yeah. So they weren't just there and you actually seeked them out. Yeah. I don't really remember the first time seeing the Marx Brothers, but I used to have like horse brothers on on VHS. Do you think you were first introduced to them by way of like Looney Tunes? Because so many Looney Tunes are in the reference Marx Brothers stuff. I think the Animaniacs. Yes. Which you're like that was like my favorite cartoon because it was like modern at the same time that it was like super old. Right. And it was almost an education and showbiz and comedy. Oh my god. The early first episode when they're like at the Algonquin Roundtable. Yes. And Waco Vomitz and Robert Benchley's hat. Yes. And it's very much about sort of the mythology of the Warner Brothers lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so good. So it's a very, very educational thing. Yeah. So we're going with Aben Costello. Now I never really liked Aben Costello, I will say. Yeah. They're a little broad for. They're a little broad. And also. Yeah, man. Yeah. I just, my, I remember my, I watched the Aben Costello meet the Universal Monsters ones because I like the Universal Monsters. I really like that. It would be the fragrance time. Yeah. And I would watch that and just kind of be like, I wish they kind of weren't in this. But my grandmother used to take us to this filthy, filth hole. Yeah. Of a flea market sort of indoor market in Lin, Massachusetts called Shroppers world. I think it was called. It was on the Linway and Lin. And for people not from the general greater Boston area, Lin is, how would you describe Lin? It's a pleasant neighborhood. It's a pleasant neighborhood. If by pleasant, you mean a dystopian nightmare. Yeah. It is. It's, it's, it used to be very well off. There's a lot of big old Victorian houses there. And then all the industry dried up. And it's sort of getting somewhat of a resurgence, but is, yeah, it was rough, especially in the 80s. Yeah. I can imagine a movie theater there showing old movies is, is like something out of like, I don't know, like 70s, New York, like the taxi driver. Yeah. It was similar to that. And there was, so there was this sort of flea markety kind of store. And my grandma used to take us there all the time because she used to buy pantsuits there. And they, there was a guy who would sell just the cheapest VHS tapes we've ever seen in your life. They were all public domain stuff and they didn't weigh anything. That's how you can tell if a VHS tape is cheap and they've recorded in EP mode, because there's not a lot of tape in the tape. So these would be like 30 minute tapes that also weighed like an ounce because they were in EP, they're just the cheapest poorest quality. Long story short, she would buy me Africa screams, the Abbott and Costello movie for like a nickel and would buy it every time we went, not remembering that she purchased at the time before. So how many copies of Africa screams did you end up? I probably had literally 10 copies of Africa screams and she would just either be, I don't know, drunk or whatever. I wouldn't remember, it wouldn't insist on it. And one time I convinced her, sometimes I would just be like, I really don't want anything, which is very usual for a child. But I got her to buy me Queen of Blood, which was a great Italian horror flick that was re-edited by AIP. That was the only time I got anything other than... That's like from the 60s? Yes. That was the only time I got anything other than Africa screams. And I hated Africa screams. And my sister would get forced to buy a Shirley Temple movie. She got a little more variety. Yeah. You know, maybe three or four different Shirley Temple movies. Not just the same one. Not just the same one. No, is this... Oh, sorry. You're going to say... No, no, I wasn't saying anything. This is the Abbott and Costello show that I chose. It just says Abbott and Costello. It says Abbott and Costello. It's a half an hour. Yeah. I mean, they must have done a cartoon. There was an Abbott and Costello cartoon, but I think it was... I think it was after Luke Costello was dead. I believe it was. I'm pretty sure it was either Hannah Barber or maybe even Ruby Spears. Yeah. And I want to say it was around the same time as the robotic stooges. Yeah, the robotic. And the Harlem Globetrotters cartoon? You know my theory on the robotic stooges, right? Please share it. So the robotic stooges, it's a show where the three stooges are robots that fight crime. It's a cartoon. Basically Dinomot. Yeah. The show came out after all the three stooges were dead. Correct. So those are robots built from their corpses. Yeah. So in your theory that they're like robo... It's like a robo cop stooges where they like... What kind of like these guys are there? Are they supposed to be the three stooges in real life? Because I don't know. They never really give them an origin story either, which is the weirdest part. They just happen to be robots. If you're gonna build robots to fight crime, like why make them the three stooges? Yeah. I always felt like... You know that they're comedians, right? That's true. But they sort of had super human abilities when they were alive to tolerate pain. I guess. But I would also say that they never said they were specifically built to fight crime. They may have been built for some other comedy... Comedy robots. Comedy robots. I was going to say sexed androids. But whatever one... Again, did you make sex androids that look like the three stooges? But they clearly... they clearly rebelled against their creator and fought crime. I have a Joe Besser story to tell you what we're talking about. Do you owe sexy Joe Besser? No. How funny would it be if you know burlesque chills are very popular now? If there was just some burlesque dancer who went by the name sexy Joe Besser, you know, because Joe could be a woman's name. Show up for Joe Ann. You feel like featuring sexy Joe Besser? I'd like to see a whole three stooges style burlesque. I imagine that they're gonna be... Certain that's happened. Yeah. Where they're poking each other's eyes out with their tassels? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wise guy. So you're watching that. I'm not watching that. I'm watching the... You're gonna guess what I was watching? No, I just wanted to say that the the The Evan Costello show is so funny because like they're in their 50s. And that's what who's on first came. The footage people know of who's on first. Oh came from the show? Yeah. Possibly. I mean they used to do in the movies too I think sometimes. I remember on the old comedy channel when it first started and it was sort of comedy MTV. They would show clips if he was on first all the time and I feel like it was from the Evan Costello show. But I may be wrong. I think it could be. These two guys like in their 50s and they're still like acting like they're teenagers or like in their 20s. Which is what our society is like now. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. It's the beginning that like sneaking away from the landlord. Yeah. Like two like 50 year old guys. There's one where they accidentally enlist in the army. Right. We've all done that. Yeah. But like the army is gonna take these two guys. They're like desperate times man. Korea. Did you ever see the if you see in the movie where they accidentally list in the army. I think it's called book privates. I think so. Where they go. They go to see a movie and they end up accidentally signing up for the army back then before they were Social Security numbers or anything. They sign a paper and they're in the army. We own your ass. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever seen the episode of the Phil Silver show. Okay. Where they accidentally enlist an ape. Have you ever seen that one? It's maybe the best episode of the Phil Silver show. And is the his name is a private Harry Harry pick up I think his name is. And it's like the weirdest thing that that episode shows how well written it is because in the context of the episode it makes perfect sense how it happened. You're like oh I could I could see all this could happen. That's so funny. It's a great grid episode. There's an Evan Costello show where they adopt a chimp. Accidentally or on purpose. I don't. I haven't seen it. Actually I have it on DVD and I've never watched it. How do you know the plot? They have the summaries on the back of the so you've cliff noted. Yeah. Abbott and Costello. I remember reading through the like the what each episode is about. One of them is Abbott or Costello. Accidentally adopts bingo the chimp. And so you were like I don't need to watch that one. Yeah. Fair enough to know it. Do you ever see the movie bingo? It was about a dog came out about 1990. No it's a terrible movie. Yeah. You know who loves that movie? Nobody. It's not well remembered. Yeah. So I interrupted you and you told me. No no I was gonna say I was gonna watch Mouser Size which was the mid 1980s Disney exercise program which I talked about on the Tim Brennan episode and it aired well into the 90s. Yeah. I think I have that on tape. Do I want to know why? I used to I have tapes of like just the Disney channel and I think that that was on there. Yeah. Yeah. Did you exercise to it? I mouse your size to it. Mouse your size. Yeah. Yeah. I also want to point out that the show The White Shadow is on. Which a lot of people forget now and was about a white coach coaching a black inner city basketball team. Yeah. And I remember the main guy from that show whose name escapes me was in like a bad local community theater play here. No I think it was it might even have been like a one man show where he was playing like like Abe Lincoln or something like that. Yeah. And my dad couldn't believe it. You told me this. He's from The White Shadow. It's the guy from The White Shadow and he's here. Yeah. Like he couldn't believe it and I'm like no one cares about The White Shadow. Which I think might even have been based on a movie but I don't know. Yeah I don't know. 530. Also want to say on Cinemax at 5.15 a.m. the mid 70s horror film Burnt Offerings starring Karen Black and Oliver Reed is on who that which is a pretty good with like a haunted house movie. Who the hell is watching Burnt Offerings at 5.15 on a Saturday morning. They only give it two stars. I would like to read you what they say about Burnt Offerings just because it is very very odd that that is even on. 1976 Violence Suspense Chiller based on Robert Marascosos bestseller but an old gothic mansion with an apparent life of its own. Burgess Meredith isn't it? It's actually pretty good flick but I'm not watching that first thing. I'm a big Burgess Meredith fan. Is there anyone who doesn't like Burgess Meredith? Do you know who he was married to? No. Um, Paulette Gudard who was Charlie Chaplin's wife. At the same time she was married to Charlie Chaplin's wife. No after after her marriage. Yeah second her third marriage was uh Remark Eric Remark. I think it's the first name of Eric. The guy that wrote All Is Quiet on the east on the western front. Okay none of these things shocked me. No. You sound like I should be shocked. Well I just think it's interesting that she was like she's she's like one of the most beautiful actresses in the history of Hollywood. Right. Burgess Meredith wasn't hideous? No he wasn't. But she was married to Chaplin Burgess Meredith and then the famous writer. I would say Burgess Meredith would be an upgrade from Chaplin. I guess. Here's a weird thing about Burgess Meredith. Yeah he always played sort of weak old men. Yeah. But for some reason as a kid growing up I always felt like he could kick your ass. Probably. He always seemed like he could kick your ass. He was playing. Well he was Mickey in in Rocky. Yeah. That's like a tough like an old tough guy. It's just one of those old men that yell. You've seen his Twilight Zone right? Oh absolutely. Mr. Mr. Gingle the strong. Yeah. Well he's in several Twilight Zones. You're right. You're right. I don't know why I immediately went to that one. His most famous one is the one the glasses. That's the least famous one he was in. Yeah. Time enough at last. Yeah. I forgot about that one. He also in the new Twilight Zone in 1985 you took on the Rod Serling role of narrator. Oh. He was Burgess Meredith. Wait in the in the film. Yeah in the movie. Yeah. That's right. That's right. And do you know who redid the Twilight Zone theme for the movie? I mean not for the movie for the TV series. I don't know. The Grateful Dead. It's the only good thing they ever did. Aside from die. Take that Jerry Garcia. Wow. You good. Ben and Jerry flavor. You had some dark places on this. Do I sometimes? You would just burn it. You're like Sherman marching to. Am I burning bridges? For all those deadheads that listen to the show? I don't know. Come on. Leno never listened to this. Leno is sitting in his mansion. Luke Costello. Leno is sitting in a 1913 buggy right now. Listen into the show with his wavy gravy. Tied eye shirt on just weeping tears out of his ham headed dickhead. So we're at 5.30. What are you going with? Bulling cool. There's no question. Bulling cool is top shelf cartoon. Bulling cool holds up so well. Oh my god. It's a great show. I've watched it recently. I re-watch it frequently. It's so ahead of its time. So smart. And probably the most like modern comedy out of being produced at this time. Yeah. And you know what it is? It's a radio show that they animated. Absolutely. There's a narrator. Like you can just listen to it and it's really funny. It's really funny and extra funny when you watch the visual. Oh yeah. Yeah. Which was made sense because at the time, you know, television animation was incredibly cheap. Yeah. So they had to make the entertaining bits be audio for the most part because I forget who I was either talking to or listening to an interview with. But it was a car animated writer, a cartoon writer who wrote animation in the 70s or 60s. And they were saying that the reason those cartoons are so wordy is because you wouldn't know if they'd be able to animate what you wrote. So a lot of times the narration ends up reiterating whatever the action is on screen. But they were kind of covering their ass in case they didn't show what they were going to do. Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's the hand of our baro animation for back then. Like it's it's amazing how simple it is. Yeah. I mean, it's it's, you know, reusing the same backgrounds and that sort of thing. But it works. Yeah. But you have these great voice actors and voice actors. And that's what sells it. Yeah. The voice acting those is amazing. I do want to point out that there is a sports show on at this time, which which scholastic sports America, the ball angle. What do you think the sport is featured in scholastic sports America on the sports network at five 30 a.m. December 18th, 1993. Let let's go with rugby. I'll give you the name of the athlete and where he's from. And this may this will probably give it away. Michael Jordan, Jeff Mitchell of Albuquerque. I mean, it's really obvious. People probably yelling at their headphones right now. How obvious this is. tennis hot air balloonist, which should be an Olympics more hot air balloons. They never figured out how to land them. Did you know that? Well, here's the thing. They just can't be true, Anthony, because they would just be hot air balloons all in the sky when they land. Well, they they they know generally how to land. They get down. They get yeah. Yeah. But they I know someone who wrote a hot air balloon recently. And she told me that like when they land, it's like, all right, we're gonna like move toward the ground. Wherever we end up, we end up here's the thing. That may just be someone who doesn't know how I have been an hot air balloon really landed fine. I mean, it's a little rough. I've heard that they they can't always carry champagne in case they land in someone's backyard. They should they give them champagne is like a sorry. What kind of weird hot air balloon myths have you been hearing that I don't I've been led to believe that this is true. By who? Someone that I met who wrote a hot air balloon once. So you met somebody? Yeah. And how soon into the relationship with this person, I was telling you about air balloons? When we met, I said, nice to meet you. Have you ever ridden in an unusual form of transportation? Did you really? Because like, what kind of speed dating is this? That sounds like a real weird curvy, creepy setup. And then it's like, would you like to? Would you like to ride the AS Express? That would be your your initials. Yeah, I'm familiar with my initials. Yeah, I really want to if I become a millionaire, let's not say if when when I will purchase you a satin jacket that says on the back the AS express and I please wear it. All right, just just once. I imagine you'd wear it all the time. I definitely definitely would. 6 a.m. What's your pick? We're going with Dennis the Menace. Dennis the Menace and this is not the cartoon. Oh, it's not. This is the black and white live action. Dennis the Menace and Nickelodeon. I was hoping it was the cartoon. I don't mind the live action. It's okay. Well, J North is sort of off putting. Yeah, you know, in the comics, Dennis is supposed to be like four or five. Yes. J North is like 10 or 11. 17. Yeah, so I didn't always buy him as like a little kid. Well, and I don't mean this to be. I mean, sorry, everybody. Say the magic word. Yeah, what happens now? So we've got J North here and he's J North here. He's coming out. I didn't I forgot to tell people we have. Is he dead? And you're like, you know, I don't think he's dead. Yeah. Hold on a moment. We'll let the music finish. All right. Do you have to pay the rights for this? I'm going to pay the rights for this. I'm not even going to edit this out for Linus and Lucy. We have a cuckoo clock in our kitchen that on the hour snoop becomes out of and and plays that song. Yeah. Speaking of cartoons, Linus and Lucy, but here's thing about J North and the Venice Menace show. And I don't mean this to be offensive to people with developmental disabilities. But because of his age and the way that he was written, like a four or five year old, it makes that show seem to be about a mentally challenged teenager and not about a child who is a menace. And it makes Mr. Wilson. It's what it makes just puts a whole new whole new light on that show. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a really good point. Which kind of ruins it because you're like, well, I should make some mean to this kid. Really be mean to this kid. He's got a brain issue, but also that would probably really frustrating because, you know, you can't go tell his parents to control him because they're like, well, he's got a problem, especially in the 60s. Yeah, different time. So the cartoon works a little bit better. Yeah, the cartoon is better. I always really like the cartoon with Phil Hartman as the voice of Mr. Wilson, or was it the dad or Mr. Wilson? He was Mr. Wilson. Yeah. And this show replaced Mr. Wilson's because he died at one point. Oh, really? It was on that late? It was. And that also added to my thought that Dennis might have some mental conditions he never really noticed. Nobody noticed really. So I would not watch Dennis. I always used to hate Dennis. There were two shows in Nickelodeon that when they would come on, I would feel very depressed. Okay. Well, I always felt very depressed, but I feel extra depressed. I would feel just a five way depressed. Yeah. Mr. Ed, actually three shows. This was during the day at Nick at night. For some reason, I would I would look at them as a as a fine choice. But during the day, if Mr. Ed Lassie or Dennis the Menace came on Nickelodeon, I would be like, Oh, come on. I want you can't do that on television. Yeah, right. I like Mr. Ed, though. It's okay. You know, they're bringing back DuckTales. Did you hear that? I did hear that. Yeah. I say they bring back Alan Young to play Scrooge again from from Mr. at the grave. No, he's still alive. I know, but he's like 95 years old. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He still does the voice. He does. And when he gets a call, he's up at the old folks. Do you call him? I'm the one who calls me. Call the Hollywood retirement home. Like Alan, we need you. There's no one else that can be Scrooge. Canadian actor, Alan Young. Yeah. Was he a standup comment? No, well, he had a he had a variety show up in Canada. Okay. And he was sort of well respected, comedic, former. He's good. He might have been a standup, but he's the best. I am not going with Dennis the Minister. I am going with the biker mice from Mars. That I noticed that in there that is on more than once. It's on a lot. They really pushed that I vaguely I vaguely remember that show. So there was a there were sort of two odd phenomenons that happened in the late 90s, late 80s, early 90s in the wake of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Sure. One was the anthropomorphized animal action heroes, which you got stuff like Bucky O'Hare, which is actually really great. And nothing like Ninja Turtles, but was clearly greenlit because of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you had video games like Battletoads, you had biker mice from Mars, street sharks, which is terrible. I found the other day in my house, my official street sharks, fan club card. You joined the fan club? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What did you get for being in the street sharks fan club? I got a card that said like a fit and it has a member number on it. And really, it is unusually high. Number one, that would be unusually high. It's like, it's like in the, it's over 7,000. Really? And I got to think maybe it's randomized, maybe it's not like the order. It's got to be inflated. Yeah, it's got to be inflated. Yeah. So did you really love street sharks? No, I didn't even like them that much. I was, toys were pretty good. I had, yeah, I had one of the toys. Which one did you have? The blue one, I think it is them. What? I think it was called Land Shark. Yeah, it was Chevy Chase's Land Shark. It was. So you had that piece and then you also had this sort of eco terrorism mutation, toxic waste sort of movement in the late 80s, early 90s and cartoons. Do you think that came from Ninja Turtles? Yeah, I think the mutagen ooze and you had the the mutated Baxter sockman and the mutation things. So you got the toxic crusaders, which was our children's cartoon based on a very oriented movie. Yeah. You have the Swamp Thing cartoon, which was nothing like anything Swamp Thing had done before, but was kind of a what an eco terrorist show, obviously Captain Planet. G.I. Joe reinvented itself with toxic zombies being put into the mix from G.I. Joe and Bike and Rice from Mars was was one of those sort of things within this realm. Do you remember Ninja Turtles pies? Yeah. Made by Hostess. They were disgusting. They were girls. They were basically Boston cream pies. Yeah. That had a dyed green vanilla pudding inside and were glazed in this disgusting sugar. They were so artificial. Like they came on like they came straight from a like a machine. They could very well have mutated an actual turtle into a ninja fighting teenager. That's how I think it is. Yeah. I mean, all the Hostess pies were disgusting. Here's one of the things that I curse advertising for was the Hostess corporation makes some of the most garbage, awful food in taste and in health. And you could get varieties like one of the things that's now very, very prominent in bakeries is all of them make their own Hostess cupcake. Oh yeah. Yeah. Pretty much any baker, any halfway decent baker you go to have their version of a Hostess cupcake. And that really has only happened in like the last maybe 10 years. And when you have one of those, it's amazing because the concept of it is great. Delicious. Yeah. The execution though is awful. Right. Like eating a Hostess thing is more like eating a picture of something. It's not it's nothing like what you want it to be. But here's my issue. The Hostess corporation was fantastic at marketing. Yeah. And all of the comic book Hostess ads, all of the commercials they used to have their mascots. I absolutely love all that stuff. Fruit pie, the magician, all of that stuff. I have a huge collection of Hostess memorabilia. I have all the comic book ads. I don't know what I'd ever do with them. My thought is like maybe yeah, maybe I'll have a or mention one day after I buy you that jacket and a wallpaper, one of the walls of like a cool bathroom with Hostess comic book ads or something. What was the the spider-man fruitcake ad? There were several. Was that Hostess? That was Hostess. Yeah. Hostess had all those ads in DC and in Marvel and they were fantastic. But their food was absolute garbage. And people fondly remember turtle pies. But the Ninja Turtles never had a good food product. Oh, of course not. Their roasting cereal was vomit-inducing. I'm surprised they never did anything with pizza. They did do Pizza Hut was the was the sponsor, I believe, of the movies. Oh yeah. Now that you say that. People forget how low budget that first movie was. It was mostly produced by Golden Harvest, a Hong Kong company. No one wanted to make that movie for some reason. It was about 80% financed by a Golden Harvest. It was one of two major Hong Kong studios with the Shaw brothers and New Line Cinema. Yeah. The Freddy Krueger people. When you, yeah. Interesting. I read somewhere that they wanted to have an all punk rock score. And at the last minute, like they said they couldn't do that. So they did MC Hammer instead? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if, no, I feel like MC Hammer was right. That was the right move. Oh really? I would have liked to seem like a... Was it MC Hammer? It was a it was a some made-up group for the thing that did turtle power. I just remember the music from that movie. I remember being very like Beverly Hills cop knock-off. Teenage mutant ninja power. Yeah. There's like a... Oh yeah. There's nothing about that movie that's not derivative. Yeah. Yeah. And the woman who plays April O'Neal is from New Hampshire. Oh really? Yes. Well you know the real April O'Neal is from the Berkshires. Yes. Oh yes. Because she because didn't Kevin Eastman used to date her. Yeah. Yeah. So we're at 6 a.m. Also want to point out that Pooh Corner is on. Yeah. Which sounds like the most offensive, horrible thing that you would call a bad part of town if you're four years old. Or like a 17-year-old developmentally disabled person who plays next to an old man in Virginia north. Wilson. I just said the wrong name. Wilson? Yeah. I meant to say Mitchell. Well you don't know what Mr. Wilson did behind closed doors. He could have yelled that at his wife. He could have just gone in the basement and berated himself. I feel like it was really about him hating himself. Their relationship is like one of my favorite in comedy. Mr. Wilson's and Dennis. Dennis. Yeah. There's something about that that is just so funny to me. Just a child terrorizing an old man. Yeah. That's something weird about you and I think. Yes. Have you ever terrorized an old man? Give me another recording. Is there ever been an old man that you've played a prank on? I used to live next to her at Joe Besser and I used to, sexy Joe Besser. Dig up his flowers. I used to dig up his grave and smack him around. Is that how Joe Besser talks? I'm just going to snuggle plus impression. Yeah. He was very, he was very iffy. Have you ever seen him on The Evan Costello Show? No. Joe Besser used to play a character named Stinky. Okay. Speaking of Sullivan from Growing Pins. And he was a grown man dressed up like a little kid with like a beanie hat? No. With like a Lord Walter Roy. Like with like the curls and like the giant lollipop. Yeah. And the giant lollipop. That's a fetish thing. Everyone treated him like he was a 10 year old kid. No one talked to him like he was an adult. It is so disturbing. Yeah. We've described some very nightmarish. Yeah. Oh yeah. Look up Joe Besser as Stinky. Or don't. Yeah. Don't, don't look up Stinky Joe Besser. Google sexy Joe Besser. Yeah. You don't be funny if the same picture comes up with the same pictures. Depending on who, who has posted it. Yeah. Um, 630. Your choice. Fraggle Rock. This is the cartoon. Here's a way, I don't care. You don't care if you didn't care about live action or I've never, I don't think I've ever seen the cartoon version. The cartoon version's okay. I can imagine. Yeah. I mean, the live action one is excellent. Yeah. A lot of action was really good. And it was made for HBO. Did you have HBO as a kid? No. You did not have horrible body odor. I did not have. That was the joke. Wow. You would do. Did you just think that out? No, no. That was the schoolyard prank that we would say ask that to old men in our neighborhood. So how did you see the live action Fraggle Rock? I don't remember. Was it in syndication anyway? It may have been syndication. I don't really remember. Here's the thing that blew my mind with Fraggle Rock. That show was produced by HBO in conjunction with a bunch of international television stations. Yeah. Yeah. So there is a different version of Fraggle Rock for every single country on earth. But for every single region, there's probably six or seven different versions. Yeah. And the difference is, the wraparounds, right? It's not the dot. It's not sprocket in the adventure. It's a different old man and sprockets the same puppet, but he has a different name. Oh, different. It's different rapper. What? Yeah. Wow. So my wife was from England. Yeah. And we were watching Fraggle Rock because that's what we do as adults. Yeah. Who is this guy? Oh my God. And then I looked into it and found out it's different in every country. Wow. How old? How old did you think he was? That old man? Yeah. 60. Yeah. Yeah. He was not that old. Yeah. He was about 60. He seemed ancient. They had him be daughter. Because he died recently. And he was much younger than I expected. Yeah. He was like in his 80s. If you like live next story, would you have terrified him? I would have dug up his azaleas and yeah. The slingshot in my back pocket. You don't be not obsessed with his flowers. There's a little suspicious. Yeah. Fraggle. This was the cartoon that was, this is a re-airing on Disney Channel. It actually was an NBC cartoon, I believe, for two Saturday mornings. We're still going to have most of the same writers and voice actors. It was, it was good show. Fraggle. Fraggle Rock is solid. It is like Jim Henson stuff. Jim Henson is, is one of those guys that is just so weird. Yeah. He's back when like, back when you used to have like really weird stuff in the mainstream because they don't know like alternative outlets. Right. So that was the only thing they could do. And also they had a whole life. They weren't their goal. They were pioneering. So as a result, they didn't have a path to follow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Jim Henson's story is fascinating. It absolutely is. Do you ever see any of the short films he made? I have timepiece. Timepiece is so bizarre. Oh my God. It's like a cube. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one with a guy living in the, in the cube for an hour. The cube for an hour. Yes. But it's like that movie cube. If it was a movie. No, I haven't. It's a Canadian horror movie where these people basically wake up in a room together. And they don't know why they're there or what it is. And it's, it's very much like timepiece. Because Jim Henson did a movie, a TV movie about a guy living in a cube. Yes. That, that's what you were. That, that is what I'm referring to. Which they also screen. Yeah. It's cube and timepiece. They're the two very, very similar. I saw a thing at the Brattle Theatre a couple of years ago. That was like a Jim Henson week. It was called like commercials and oddities. Yes. Because he did those, those coffee commercials with the dragon. Yeah. And he would do like, yeah, yeah, yeah. The dragon, the Chinese food. Yes, yes. Yeah. And he did those like to fund the weirdo art films that he wanted to do. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. If, if I think if he had, you know, all of his, if he had, if he could do anything he wanted, it would have all been Dark Crystal. Yeah. He would have just made that much. I don't, I don't love that movie. It's terrifying. Yeah. I, I saw it recently for the first time, like like two years ago. Yeah. It was a, it was a double feature of Labyrinth and Dark Crystal. Yeah. Which don't go together at all. No, no, Labyrinth was much better. Labyrinth, well, that's because Terry Jones was involved. Yeah. So a lot of the hippie nonsense of Dark Crystal is gone. Yeah. You know, that sort of Dark Crystal to me is in plot sort of the cinematic equivalent of a custom van mural. Like that sort of a heavy metal magazine, collective unconsciousness, pow, you know, the labyrinth is a great classic fairy tale that has Terry Jones amazing humor. It's very money Python. Elaine May did a rewrite on it. Oh, really? It goes in May. Yeah. I am, I am a big fan of a special, it goes in May, but especially Elaine May. Right. She's very underrated. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Most women comedy writers from pre 1990 are she, I think she was, I don't want to say she was like, she was like the funny one in Niggles and May. Yeah. Not to say so. Not to downplay Mike Nichols, who I also really like. Please downplay. But Mike Nichols. But Elaine May does not get the credit, I think that she deserves. So I'm not going with the Frego Rock cartoon at some 30 a.m. I first of all want to mention that there is a show on called The What's Up Network, which I would love to see just to see what it is. The new Captain Planet was on back to where we're talking about the eco sort of things. I was never a fan of Captain Planet. I enjoyed Captain Planet, but I'll tell you for why. Okay. I thought the evil woman with the hair over her eye. You were super sexy. Yeah. And I recognize that her voice was the voice of Lois Lane on the super boy cartoon. Oh, interesting. I believe it was the same actress, but I was like, she is super hot. I know, I have more coffee. I don't want to. She is super on. She was like 13 when I was like 13 years old, which is 1993. But I'm watching a show called Mighty Max. Yeah, I saw I almost I can I used to really like Mighty Max. Good toys. Yeah. Oh, awesome toys. Yeah. And they were the male version of the Pocket. And they go for quite a bit of money now. Seriously? Yes. Yes. Do you have Mighty Maxes? Yes. How many do you have? I have like 30. Oh, man, they go for good money. Seriously, if you have all the all the accessories, I have Skull Mountain. Skull Mountain is worth a good prepaying going. Seriously? Yeah. I'm a 100% serious. Skull Mountain. I remember it. I know that people listen and can't see it. I remember it being this big. It is not fitting in your pocket. It's massive. So people that don't know what what Polly Pocket was was essentially when it first started were things that looked like jewelry or like makeup cases. I think that's what it's actually started out as that inventor took his daughter's like makeup case and turned it into a little toy for. Yeah, it's basically a little diorama. Yeah. You open it up in there, which is very Victorian, actually, in a lot of ways. Yeah. And it would be a little playset. They got more and more elaborate and less and less like actual things. Yeah. And they introduced Mighty Max as the male version of that. And they were fantastically detailed. Oh my god. They're tiny. Tiny. You would have little teeny monsters in there. Yeah. And there was also Monster in My Pocket, which was sort of a rip off of Mighty Max. Okay. Yeah. Do you remember Monster in My Pocket? It sounds a little sexual. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There was the the you ever heard the French Nighter song Monster in My Pants? No. French Nighter of the B-52 put out a solo record called Monster in My Pants. And you should listen to it and laugh for six weeks. I like the B-52s. Your love Monster in My Pants. I love their cover of the Flintstones theme for the Flintstones movie. Did you see the Flintstones movie in the theater? I don't think I saw I had it on tape and I watched it. Okay. And you love their cover of the Flintstones? Yeah. Let's ride with the family down the street. It's a yeah through the curse. Let's do feet. What's your favorite cartoon theme song of all time? It's so hard. I love the Flintstones theme. I really like the Animaniacs theme. Okay. I know every word to the Tiny Tunes theme song. Yes. We're talking about doing the Heathcliff theme song earlier. You and I love the Heathcliff theme song for a show that is not great. Yeah. Heathcliff. Great theme song. Well, you pointed out a specific thing about it. The Heathcliff theme song Musically is identical to the Ramon song Love Kills. That's right. The song that Didi wrote about Sid Vicious. And thematically. Yeah. Heathcliff and Sid Vicious is very similar. Heathcliff dying of a heroin overdose. Yes. Also it's being a sexy cartoon. Yeah. That cat with the leg warmers. Ooh. On Heathcliff. Oh yeah. That was that was the junk the junker cats. Yeah. That was a girlfriend. Right. Yeah. She was good looking. Yeah. I remember her being like really tall. Especially compared to him. She always reminded me of a marquee post. She's sort of a marquee post of cartoon cats. Yeah. I'm getting into a weird place right here. I love Captain Planet's theme song. Yeah. Captain Planet. He's a hero. Good take. Pollution down to zero. Total hippie nonsense that show about him. Millicent hippie nonsense. But important. I don't I never liked cartoons that had a message. Well, even they didn't like any cartoons in the 80s and 90s. Yeah. Even if it was a message I agreed with. Like Captain Planet, you know, I agree with it. But I don't like people trying to sell me stuff, you know. Well, then why did you watch cartoons? It was all about trying to sell you stuff. Like toys that sit in your pocket. What is Bollin Gold trying to sell me? Bollin Gold is trying to sell you on being a subversive snarky jerk. Yeah. Bollin Gold is why you're a comedian now. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. So let's go to. Have you seen the other Peabody and Sherman movie? Yes I have. What did you think? The CGI. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I want it to be. You have computers now. Yeah. That can make an animated movie look like anything. Yeah. Like almost in the same way you play guitar. Yeah. And you can get a program that goes I want this guitar to sound like 1966 Jeff Beck or something. Yeah. And it can perfectly do it. Yeah. I'm not in playing scale but in sound. Mm hmm. So you can do that with cartoons. You can say make this look like Jay Ward animation. Yeah. And they don't. And annoys me because nobody uses them. I don't know. Yeah. It's a soapbox. I don't know. So 7 a.m. What are you going with? I'm going to throw you a loop here. I'm going to watch the today show. That's not throwing me a loop at all because I looked at who's on it. Yeah. It's Jeffrey Tambor Gary Shanling and Rip Torn. Yeah. From the Larry Sanders show. I want to mention too that this is when NBC had given up on cartoons in 1993. Yeah. This was the first year and it was a big deal. And I was pissed. Yeah. I was 13 years old. They still did the TNVC. You have one world. When you were 13 in 1993. Yeah. It's funny how like back then you would have been so much older than me. Like now we don't seem like our age is that still the same difference in age. I know but it doesn't it doesn't feel like as big. Well yeah. I mean that happens as you get older. Yeah. I think exponentially the time between age is different. Yeah. The way that I always that I think best illustrated from most people is like dating. Yeah. Like if you were a senior in high school and you're dating a freshman or someone in eighth grade. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're 30 and you're dating someone who's 26 or 25. It's not that. It's not that different. Yeah. And if you're 70 and you're dating someone who's 65. Yeah. Not different at all. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I mean the I think that your youth years work sort of in the same way dog years work. And it's not which is a myth that it's seven years per human year. Because the first year of a dog's life they're basically about 15 years old. Mm hmm. And sort of emotionally. And but then it tapers off. Yeah. Right. And it's basically like that with people. I mean a school year is like 10 years for an adult as far as like life changes. Oh yeah. Yeah. And growth and all that stuff. So so that makes sense that it would be very very different. Yeah. Point being I'm 13 year five. I probably wouldn't hung out. No. I wouldn't think so. Yeah. And you know what? You're probably better off. I would not have wanted you to. I might have been the old man. No one would have wanted me to. Well, I mean not no offense to you. But like if you're five and like a 13 year old wants to hang out with you. There's some red flags there. What if you're 13 and a five year old wants to hang out with you. That's a little different. That's a cool guy. I mean I very well could have run into you. We grew up with just one town away. Yeah. I was frequently named. Yeah. At the comic book store. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're seven a.m. Seven a.m. Today show. So yes. Oh my point being ABC. I mean NBC had given up on cartoons, which was a huge deal. It really pissed everybody off. And by everybody I mean me. And they started just making today's show on the weekends. And that was sort of when the death now of the Saturday morning cartoons started. Yeah. Which just ended last year. And last year was the first time and no network showing Saturday morning cartoons. Yeah. And yeah. I recognize that it's an outdated format. It's unnecessary because there are 24 hour cartoon networks. There's so much on demand stuff. But it's just I feel like we lost something culturally. Even though you know a lot of the cartoons produced in the 80s Saturday morning was complete garbage. Yeah. You had amazing shows like Rood Dog and the Dweeb's and then complete garbage like PB's Playhouse. I am of course I would be in facetious here. I had a theory for a while and I actually no longer think it's true that cartoons like for and like for an art form that like is maybe my favorite. It probably has there's probably more bad cartoons than any other. Oh absolutely art art form. Like a good to bad ratio. I think that's true though of all things aimed at children. Yeah. If you look at children's literature. But I mean like children's music. I mean it was Bo Winkle for Children. I mean not really. It was. Bo Winkle was for children because you could argue the Looney Tunes were not. Yeah. They were theatrical shorts before non-children movies. Bo Winkle was a children's cartoon produced to air in a time slot for children. It was very smart. Yeah. It was not patronizing the children. But I could see it playing like like I said like on the radio as a radio show and like adults enjoying it if it wasn't a cartoon. Yeah but that what that's a by-pro. I think that that is a testament to how good the show was. But in in principle the creation of that show was a children's cartoon. Okay. Whereas Looney Tunes the other things were not necessarily made for children. Right. Children's things. Yeah. But which is one of the reasons Bo Winkle is is so great because it was it was created for that purpose. Yeah. But made so much better than it needed to be. Yeah. Which is always a good thing. Yeah. Right. So you're watching that. I would certainly not have watched that. Yeah. There was a lot of different choices on this time and I want to point out that. Can I say that even as a kid I may have chosen that. Oh I'm sure you would have because you were watching Larry Sanders show. I would have been bored out of my gore. We were just saying before we started that like I remember as like a five-year-old watching cheers and enjoying it even though I didn't really get it. Did you enjoy the Boston nature of it? I don't even know if I was that aware that it was in Boston. Okay. You just liked old people hanging out at a bar. You know as a kid my one of my favorite shows was the odd couple that I used to watch on Nick at night. Okay. And like watching it now I still I still really enjoy the Tony Randall Jack Plugman. Yes. Have you seen the new odd couple? I have. Yeah. It's bad isn't it. So what I like about but like it's like what as like an eight-year-old drew me to like the show about these two like it's a show about like two old Jewish guys yelling at each other for coming out. I think it would be one of two things. One it seemed familiar to you. Yeah. I don't know if you knew old Jewish guys that yelled at each other in the world. That's who I was at. Yeah I mean you know or it's sort of fantasy fulfillment. Yeah. You go wow that's great these two buddies live together. Yeah. One's a slob. One is yeah. Tony Randall have you ever seen the movie The Seven Faces of Dr. Love? Yes. I just watched it the other night. He pronounces it low. It could stop to allow. Tony Randall. I think Tony Randall's wrong. It's Dr. Love. Well. All right. I think it's Dr. Love. All right. It's based in a book that I've read. And I always really like the book The Circus of Dr. Love and I just saw the movie. I believe Joel Hobson that's his favorite movie. Oh really? I believe so. Yeah. It's it's good. Yeah. And it's weird. And it's it's that movie is in tone not necessarily tone but in message. Yeah. It's very Ray Bradbury. Yes. Yes. Because that movie is very much about coming of age and growing up and losing magic and sort of the ambiguity of of life. Yeah. Sort of good and evil and gray areas. Yeah. And sort of a magical being coming to your small town. It's so Ray Bradbury without having anything to do with Ray Bradbury. No. Yeah. You're right. And it's yeah. It's very this is something we get. Something that comes. Yeah. And Joel Hobson is referenced that that show that movie often. Really? I know. I see. I don't remember that. Because Tony Randall for people listening plays seven characters. Yes. Including the main character who is Chinese. Yes. And he looks exactly like you think Tony Randall playing an old Chinese man is going. But that was also pretty par for the course. For the era. Yeah. I mean I would say it was probably 60 40 white people to Asians playing Asians. I knew that Tony Randall played more than one role in that movie. I did not realize he was the Medusa. Yeah. He's all seven faces. Yeah. He really looks. I thought it was a woman. I didn't realize it was Tony Randall. The makeup. Well, you know how many people have said that? You're on. I thought it was a woman. I did not realize it was Tony Randall. It was actually Tony Randall. Yes. And that's why I was turned to stone. This is hard as stone. Why is that it gets the law to have to? Was he a prostitute in this? You may have been. I think he just had pranking people surprise on Tony Randall. You'd be surprised how thin the line is between the pranking and prostitution. Tony Randall is one of my favorite movie characters in gremlins two as the brain gremlin. Oh, he's fantastic. It's so good. Yeah. It's gremlins two is such a good. I really think as a stand-up comedian, the brain gremlin from gremlins two is like my where I got my persona from. Yeah. And you dressed just like him as well. Yeah. And I will mention this that Anthony is wearing a top that looks very much like gremlin skin. Yeah. It's sort of a green gray thermal top that makes you look very gremlin-like. Yeah. And also Anthony carries his own water with him at all times, which is also true just in case he needs to multiply. Just like baby's kids, they don't die. They multiply. Which was the tagline to that movie. Which made no sense at all. How is that the tagline to the movie? They don't die. Was the tagline. We don't die. We're multiply. Wait, the lead in that movie was dead when it came out. Correct. But it's an animated movie. But don't you think that's a little insulting? We don't die. And you're because there's archival footage of him doing stand-up in it, right? Yeah. Okay. It just seems bizarre to have that as the tagline. That's a tagline where someone comes up with it and you go and someone went, that's great. That's good enough. What a rhyme. And then no one took the two seconds to go, wait a minute. What does it mean? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We don't die. We multiply. So you're watching on today's show. I want to point out that there is a Sophie's choice for many children here. In that against each other you have Winnie the Pooh, on channel five, and on channel four, the new adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Yeah, I saw that. Where do you go with? I don't go with either. I don't like Winnie the Pooh. But I am going... You're such an anglophile. I'm surprised. Well, I don't like Disney Winnie the Pooh. Oh, you mean nothing like the original Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. It's such a bastardization of Winnie the Pooh. I am going with a movie on Cinemax called Arena. And this is a 1991 movie. I don't know what it is. The look in your eyes when you say arena was intense. This is essentially... Do you remember how popular Street Fighter II in Mortal Kombat was? Oh yeah. Oh my god. When I was in the third grade, I had never played Mortal Kombat, but the movie came out and I went to see it because all the other kids in the class were talking about it. I was like, I have to see this movie. And did you like it? I loved it. Did you play any of those fighting the games? After, after the movie came out, I played them. So those games were so popular. Yeah. Each home entertainment system had their own series of rip-offs. Yeah. So you had things like Clay Fighter, which was actually probably the best of them. I remember them. But you had ones that were like eternal champions and just the most generic things that would be like monster warriors of the stratosphere and they would get increasingly worse. Arena is essentially the filmatic version of those games. And so it has a Charles Bann movie produced by Empire Pictures at the end of that studio's run. But before he started Full Moon, it was on cable endlessly in the 90s. And it's such a children's movie, but it has tits in it, which is what he got wrong in a lot of things. Because in tone and in sort of sense of fun, they're very children movies. And then there's like random sex scenes that shouldn't be in there. And so this movie TV guy criminally gives it only one star. And their, you know, explanation of it is not very good. It's violent, strong language futuristic gladiators compete for the Galaxy Championship. The Galaxy Championship. I recommend that if you like those sorts of video games, if you like cheesy sci-fi and you like sort of WWF wrestling, especially sort of 80s style WWE wrestling. Yeah. Seekout Arena. It's a fun movie. So that's what I would have gone by. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have done that. 730. I was considering Clarissa. Clarissa Marathon. Look, my favorite thing about this is Nickelodeon says Clarissa explains it on marathon and they have the duration. Oh, yeah. See, I didn't notice that. I probably would have put it for some later stuff had I known. Twelve hours and 30 minutes of Clarissa. That's a 25 episode. Was that a common thing that they did? They would sometimes do that. And 93 was when Clarissa was huge. It was a good show. And Nickelodeon also was in the first year of SNCC. It started I believe in August of 92. And so this was six months into SNCC. And it took off like they had not expected at all. And so they were doing much more programming that was SNCC centric on Saturdays. And Clarissa was sort of the breakout show. So this would have been 12 hours of Clarissa that led up until SNCC. It went from 7 AM to 8 third to a new episode of Clarissa. I believe the new season was premiere. I remember them doing that. I don't know if I'm remembering this specific. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. 730. I'm going with Chippendale. The Rescue Rangers. Yeah. I didn't like any of the Disney cartoons. That's a good theme song too. I mean, Disney had crimes. Good cartoon theme songs. Yeah, starting with Gummy Bears. To the cranks, but these two gumshoes. You didn't hear gumshoe that off. Picking up the slide. There's no. Ducktales. Ducktales. Another great theme. Darkwing Duck. Yeah. And Gummy Bears. Gummy Bears is a good theme. Dashing and daring, courageous and caring. They're fighting here and there and everywhere. It's high adventure, Anthony. Yeah. It's beyond call for the forest. They sing on chorus. Is that the best show based on a candy? A candy. It's a three-musketeer show. I don't think there was a three-musketeer show. Good series of ads on Saturday morning. Yeah. Then of course, there's the bazooka-joe cartoon. That never happened. No, that would be surprising. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened either. I, you know, they're not literature, but I always enjoyed the bazooka-joe comic. Did you really? Yeah. Have they ever been collected? Like a book of-- Yeah, because that would be a weird thing to collect. You're like, I'm missing an issue. I need to go find an old gum. Imagine because they're almost like, chick tracks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy with the book of like all the-- I don't know. All the bazooka-joes. So yeah, I don't know if I would have gone with that at all. There's a show on called that entrees me that I've never heard of called Twinkle, the dream being. You don't know what it's about, though? I've never heard of it, Twinkle, the dream being. It's a lame Saturday morning show, but I would have gone with either droopy master detective. I considered that, yeah. Which was really fun. Yeah. And a really good show did not last nearly long enough. Or at this time, I likely would have gone with Sonic the Hedgehog. Name show, hey. That's a pretty good drippy. Yeah, I've-- That's my secret dream. My secret dream is to do cartoon voices. Just droopy. I just droopy, just to-- Just other people's characters you wouldn't want to do. It's like droopy's here. It's really like droopy's here. So I would have gone with that. 8 a.m. I think they do a pretty good Bugs Bunny, too. It's not perfect, but I've been working on my Bugs Bunny. Really? I don't want to hear it till it's perfect. I don't do it very-- I'm not very good at it, but-- That's-- I don't want to hear it till it's perfect, I think. Keep working. 8 a. Name show, hampie. That's a shit Bugs Bunny. Bobby's World. Bobby's World was great. Wood South Jack. That's a bad Bobby. The last twin in Albuquerque. Bobby's World was the only good thing how Eman Dell's ever done. That's a bold claim. Oh, you know what? I'm sorry. Gremlins and Bobby's World with the only good things how Eman Dell ever did. Europe, any opinions expressed in this podcast, I just saw he goes, "What do you like that how Eman Dell did?" Well, he just stand up and like, "What?" From the 80s. "How Eman Dell stand up, putting a fucking glove on my hand." This is my handbag. Have you ever seen the SCTV that just shits all over him? I've seen a lot of SCTV, I may have. There's one where Sammy Modlin is doing an Alan Thicke of the Night show called Modlin of the Night, and he has these sidekicks on the show called His Zaines. One of them is a Howie-Man Dell, basically Howie-Man Dell. He's like, "All right, My Zaines are going to improv some stuff and these things and Howie-Man Dell's just going, and he's going, "If you can't take anything, just stop. It's amazing." Your title to your opinion. You really think his stand up is funny? I think he's funny. What tickles your funny bone about Howie-Man Dell? He comes in with the handbag, and it's like a bag with a giant hand. He goes, "Do you really think it's funny? Do you like prop comedy?" I like some prop. I mean, I don't want to say that like, anyone uses a prop. No, no, but Steve Martin has prop comedy. Do you think a bag shaped like a hand and saying it's a handbag is funny? I didn't know he was going to be on trial here. No, I'm just curious, I can't understand why you looked like that. I haven't seen all of his stand up. I recently watched the 1981 young comedians, and it's Howie-Man Dell, Richard Lewis, who you and I were just talking about, who was like one of my all-time favorite comedians, and Seinfeld. It's hosted by the Smothers Brothers. I forget who some other well-known people are. Oh, yeah. Those young comedian specials have mostly well-known people. But that's a really solid one. But I remember seeing Howie-Man Dell do stand up on that and enjoying it. My favorite thing about Howie-Man Dell? Yeah. He used to do a bit where he would put a rubber glove over his nose and he would blow it up. Yeah. Do you know why he stopped doing that? Why? His sinus has exploded one night on stage, which if you're ever on a sinus infection or a sinus problem, it is one of the most painful things that could happen. Oh my gosh. I would have loved to have seen that. You are so weird, man. I liked him on St. Elsewhere. Yeah. See, you like things that he's done. But that's acting with someone else's words. And Bobby's world was good. Bobby's world, wasn't that from his stand up? Yes. Yeah, he didn't help him and do Bobby's voice. Yeah. But the show was so much better than his stand up. It was a sweet show. The show was a really good show. It was surreal and bizarre. Yeah. It was probably one of the best cartoons Fox did. Yeah, it was really funny. Yeah. So Bobby's world, I think, is the choice. You're burning bridges, man. All right. So that's who do we need to run down the list again? Howie-Man Dell is not more, will not do the show. Joe Besser. Joe Besser. J. L. L. Dick. J. North. Who we still have to figure out is if he's still alive. Yes. Yes. Howie-Man Dell, one of my favorite things about Gremlins is that he clearly improvised everything. Everything that he was supposed to say in that movie is, I mean, not that he says that much. No way. Because at the end of the movie, there's this big moment where he says, "Bye, Billy, Gizmo." And it's this big moment like, "Whoa, Gizmo can talk." Yeah. He's been talking the whole movie. Yeah, but they just couldn't understand him. He says bright light, a bunch. They clearly let him do whatever he wanted. He has a weird accent. Yeah. But you understand what I mean? Yeah. They clearly wrote the script, so that was like the big moment. And then when he improvised, they were like, "We just keep it in." Well, Stripe says, "Gizmo." Yeah. But Frank Welker was Stripe. Oh, yeah. I think I knew that. He was also Megatron and Transformers at the same time. Oh, yeah. Frank Welker. Too great balance. He was the original Fred on Scooby-Doo. That's right. Yeah. And is Stripe. So, I do want to mention too, at 8 a.m., there's a show on TNN, which was the Nashville network, called Backyard America. I don't know what that is. I'm curious. Yeah. And also, the movie Summer Rental was on, which was one of my favorite call riner and John Candy movies. Oh, really? It caught Riner directed? It did. He had almost a trilogy of Summer movies. He did Summer Rental and then Summer School. The movie. The call riner is one of the most underrated comic minds. He's been underrated. He's been properly rated. I don't think so. I think a lot of people see him and they're like, "Oh, yeah, I remember when he was on it." But he-- Like, Riner's dad? Carl Riner was on show shows, created the Dig Van Dyke show. Yup. For himself. Directed the jerk. Yup. But also directed the Man with Two Brains, Dead Men Don't Wear a Plan. All great movies. Yeah. 2000 year old man. Fothered Rob Riner. Pretty much discovered Albert Brooks. Yes, well, he's his neighbor. He's Robert's childhood friend. Yeah. I mean, he's been behind the scenes on so many hip smart comedy things. I think people are a long time and done so much stuff with Mel Brooks. But I think the people see him and they think, "Oh, yeah, this guy's funny." But like, he's-- Yeah, I mean, that's like-- People properly. Okay. A trivia. It might just be your world. Maybe. I mean, it's not like people think of him as Howie Mandel. So, 8.30. This was a tough choice. I will say. There were three good things on it this time. I only had one. Okay. 8.30. Eek the cat. Eek the cat. And this was season three of Eek the Cat, which was Eek the Cat and the Terrible Thunder. Oh, I love the Thunder Lizzage. Which is great. I mean, Curtis Armstrong. Yeah. Which-- Do you remember the controversy around that show? No, I don't. The Two Cave Men were named Adam and Steve. Oh, I didn't know that. It was hilarious because that's the classic-- It's Adam and you. That's so funny. And it was a hilarious thing to do. It was a great show and they got such amazing, weird people to do voices on that show. Every Christmas, I don't know if I've told you this story. Oh, no, I don't know if I-- I don't think I said it on the podcast. But I-- you-- A few years ago, I have found some old VHS tapes in my house of all Christmas specials. Yep. And Ken has generously converted them to DVD. So every Christmas, me and my sisters watch all these old Christmas specials. It's a good one. Tiny tunes. Tiny tunes is on there. The Eek the Cat Christmas, though. Yes. It's fantastic. Amazing. And the Eek the Cat cartoon is-- Halloween is actually very-- Oh, yeah. Yeah. In the Christmas one, William Shatner plays Santa Claus. The Reindeer's-- In a very Shatner way. Yeah. The Reindeer's gone strike. The leader of the strike is Bobcat Goldway. Yep. It's so good. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's cool. Savage, Steve Volley, you know Bobcat and Savage, Steve Volleyn had a long history. That's right. Yeah. So this is why there was a bit of a tough choice because Bill Nye is on, which many people love that. That was a beak-min guy. That was a beak-min guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which assistant did you like best? I like the girl. Which was your number? There was three assistants on beak-min. I like the rat. And I like the-- It was not cutting the rat. Okay. I don't really remember the rat. I remember there being like one woman. Yeah, there was a rat. Yeah. I don't remember the rat. Yeah. That's what you're going to go with and call it. I like the rat. I like his hair. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Eek-min's hair. I could see that. In the Adams family cartoon, which was-- Oh, yeah. Which was a redo of the cartoon in the wake of the movies, which was actually pretty good. It was much more-- As we said earlier-- Boil. I'm a monster, this guy. So, all right. So 9am. What are we going with? Tinytoons. See, I would not have gone with tinytoons. I would have a little looming. Here's why I would not have gone with tinytoons. Tinytoons was an after-school cartoon for me. It was on five days a week. Yeah. I would watch it then. I'm not watching it on Saturday. Saturday, I'm going with something I can only see on Saturday. And that's going to be Tails from the Crip Keeper. Yeah, I was never a horror guy. I love horror. Oh, yeah. And even though they were sort of sanitized versions of E.C. cartoon. It looked more like the original E.C. Comics because it's a cartoon. And in a lot of ways that if they could have made an E.C. Comics accurate cartoon instead of a live-action show, it would have been amazing. So, it was kind of-- That was something they would do today. Absolutely. They could never do a bang then. They should have done it today. I would have totally lost it. Yeah, I can see that being like a straight-to-net flicks. Yeah, it would have been more like the Crip Show movies. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I'm not a horror guy, but I do like some stuff. Like, I kind of like the Crip Show movies. The cartoon-y in there. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't like any other horror stuff. I don't really like Gremlins. I like Abbot and Costello and me Frankenstein. Horrific. I like-- Well, I would argue you do have horror because you told me you like Howie Mandel. Boom! Oh, hello. I'm sharp at this hour. Yeah, you are. You're on all cylinders. I'm still-- Yeah. You're not normally up at this time. Well, by this time, I am. No. Do you wake up and lay in bed? Did you get up? Yeah, that's your morning ritual. I don't like it. You don't like to get up. Listen to the radio. And PR's. Yeah. Listen to jazz. Jazz. He's your favorite jazz musician. Cannonball, literally. Is that a newer person? No, he's from the '50s. Okay. Did you ever-- Were you there the night we were at Weirdo Records and we're learning about that jazz drummer who used to do shows as Dracula? No. There's some-- I wish I could remember his name. He's famous? He's famous. It's white black. He's white guy. And he used to-- his shtick was that he would do this really bad Dracula impression and play amazing jazz drummer as Dracula. He put out all these records like Dracula's jazz-- Oh, really? Yeah. It was-- Oh, I know. We were looking at these records. Well, I'll take that off and dig that up. I would have had trouble, though, at this time. I would have watched Kurt Keeper, but there's a show called "Name Your Adventure" on NBC, which was after the Today Show, because they were more focusing on the teenager stuff and the CNBC. Actually, when a CNBC launch that was given to cast members of CNBC shows. But this is segments rock climbing with the physically handicapped and professional songwriting. Not a professional songwriting. I always like seeing teenagers like those new shows that have teenagers doing things and watch them to be garbage out. It is really fun. And MTV had the big picture on, which was MTV News' movie program, which I loved. But that would have been on 17 times that day. Yeah, right. 9.30. 9.30. Continuing the Looney Tunes theme. I'm going with Tasmania. What, "Knobs, Lugs, Bunnies, and Tweety"? We'll get to that. Okay. Did you enjoy-- I never liked Tasmania. Taz was one of my least favorite Looney Tunes. Oh, see, I really like the Tasmanian Devil. And then Tasmania, what a stroke of genius to give him a normal family and get him like the-- I enjoyed "The Town." I enjoyed the Bing Crosby. Bing Crosby. And I like the Genesis, the Tasmanian Genesis game. Oh, yeah, I used to have that. I had it for Super Nintendo. Yeah. Oh, you were a Super Nintendo guy. Yeah, I was a Nintendo guy. Super no friend. Why did you like Nintendo better? Better games, better characters. I mean, here's the only game they had that I thought was better for Super Nintendo. Oh, yeah. All right. I don't know what you're going to say because they get so many bad games. I don't know. They had Mario World. Ultraman. They had an Ultraman game. Ultraman should have more video games. I like Ultraman. Ultraman's perfect for video games. Yeah, but Nintendo hits all the better games. Don't like Mario. Mario has a Zelda. Super Metroid Sonic. See, I never liked Sonic the Hedgehog because the games are too fast. Oh, you're too fast. I knew you missed the jazz. It's just like, you know, you spend all those time collecting rings. You get hit once, you lose them all. That's what-- Like on those. That's what life is like, man. I guess. That's what life is like. I would have watched at 9.30 California dreams. Over Tasmania? Yeah. When I was 13, you kidding me? Yeah. Beachside Kids in a Band? Yeah. Tasmania had another great thing, so. It did. Yeah. It had that tool. It had that tool. It landed way under down under the skies. It was yellow in the rain, all the shine. That was Jess Harnell saying it, the voice of Wacko. Yes. Yes. Awesome guy. From interviews I've seen, I've never met him. All of those guys are great, those voice over guys. Have you seen, I know that voice, the documentary. Yes. Yes. You've seen the interviews with Jess Harnell are ridiculous. Yeah. I met Ron Paulson. Oh, yeah. It was very, very, very nice. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. He seems cool. 10 a.m. Bugs and Tweety. Now you're going with Bugs and Tweety. Yeah. I'm doing an hour and a half of Looney Tunes themed. If you include Tiny Tunes. I think that's fair. Yeah. I would have been torn here between the Looney Tunes and my all-time favorite. Looney Tunes are great, but I've seen them so many times. As of I. X-Men was on. Yeah. I was an absolutely huge comic fan. I still am. I never loved the X-Men cartoon show for some reason. Here's the thing. The X-Men cartoon show is not great. Yeah. The animation is garbage. Yeah. What I did enjoy was what people in our current world now, I think, don't understand because everything's based on comic books is that things based on comic books were very exceedingly rare. Oh, yeah. And so it was a real thrill to see anything that was based on any comic book. Yeah. Actually, the best comic book cartoon at this time was Catalax and Dinosaurs, which was based on Zizanik tales or not pronouncing it. Mesozoic tales. Yeah. Which is a weird indie comic that kitchen sink put out. And CBS did it as a series. But I loved X-Men before it got terrible in the 90s and continued to get bad. Yeah. And it was interesting to see how they adapted stories I was very familiar with. Ont into the cartoon. So I enjoyed that piece of it. I know it's really like well regarded by a lot of people. It's overrated. It's ridiculously overrated. Yeah. I remember it. I mean, I liked comics for a long, long time, especially. I used to really like the Spider-Man cartoon from the same. The 90s Spider-Man cartoon. Yeah. It's okay. It's pretty good. It's okay. I mean, the thing is, if you compare the contemporary cartoons, X-Men and Batman and the Internet series literally started the same day. Oh, really? Batman is weird. Yeah. That's a classic. It's weird as a head of it. That holds up so well. The next favorite Batman. I'm going to guess you and I have the same favorite camera. That's your favorite Batman ever? Yeah. And there's never been a better Batman than Kevin. Adam West is my favorite. Adam West is amusing, but he's not a great Batman. Whatever. Kevin Conroy gets it. The 60s Batman. It's a fun show. It's my favorite adaptation of Batman. Well, that just shows you how great a character Batman is that it can hold up to all those interpretations and they're all valid and they're all great. But the thing I liked about Batman in the Internet series and Kevin Conroy's voice acting on that show is he was the best Bruce Wayne. He was the best Batman and he was able to be funny. He was able to do pretty much any possible interpretation of Batman and have it be real. Oh, yeah. Amazing. Oh, he's great. Yeah. He did a really good job in that show. I'm not, you know, by talking about how much I love the 60s Batman. I'm not trying to take anything away from the animated series. No. Yeah. If your listeners are interested in checking out, I know that voice Kevin Conroy tells a great story in that about 9/11. Yeah. But he's a New York actor. Yeah, I didn't think of a better way to say that. There isn't a better way to say that now. But he does tell a really good story in that. And the other thing I would have been told with watching was Say by the Bell. I love it over Bugs Bunny. I've seen Bugs Bunny so many times. I'm also, keep in mind I'm 13 and there's hot girls on it. Yeah. But this was, I actually prefer Say by the Bell the New Class. It's a better show. Yeah. It doesn't get any love these days. But this show, here's the description of Say by the Bell 10 AM. What a drag. Scott poses as his cousin Tina. So he can go to Lindsey's slumber party to talk her out of liking Tommy Dee. Yeah. This is season one of the new class. And I was very excited. The classic drag episode. Yeah. Yeah. What a drag. 10 30 AM. What are you going with? Catalax and dinosaurs. Catalax and dinosaurs. I was actually not familiar with until you just brought it. I put it because I didn't really see anything else that I wanted to watch. It's great. It's yeah. I see when I saw the title, I figured it was like a turtle's knockoff. It's so that's why it got greenlit. Yeah. So it was so by the time the 90s rolled around, all the sort of black and white boom of comics in the 80s had completely imploded. Yeah. And there were maybe three or four companies that kind of bought up all these little companies. You have dark horse and you had kitchen sink. Yeah. Tundra and other things. And kitchen sink was involved with Kevin Eastman. Yeah. And so they were buying properties from these indie comic from the 80s, which was crazy. Yeah. And that's why we got the tech cartoon at this time. I love the tech card. Catalax and dinosaurs was based on on this 80s comic. And it was fantastic. It's very much like the rocketeer, but kind of with dinosaurs. It's sort of futuristic. Yeah. It's a really, really cool show. It only lasted 13 episodes. I was shocked to see it adapted. Yeah. And again, it's awesome. This was one of those things where I was so familiar with the comic. I was so excited to watch the cartoon with stories I was familiar with. And again, if you compare the contemporary X-Men with Catalax and dinosaurs, you can really see how crappy X-Men was compared to interesting. I'm going to, as soon as I leave here today, I'm going to go look it up. You should. And it was on CBS, which is the extra strange thing. But CBS had a huge hit with Teenage Ninja Turtles, and that was the Saturday morning show. So they were kind of mining these indie comics. I think the Ninja Turtles original cartoon series is a little underrated. The mini series or just the original? Oh, just the original. Yeah. No, it was a good show. Yeah. It was a good show. I watched it recently. It's good. I watched it recently. It's very imaginative. It's clear that it's a new sort of voice for those sorts of things. And the show and the comic came before the toys, which was unusual at that point. Most of the kind of adventure kid shows were based on the toy first and then the show. So the characters didn't really have a character. And even though the show characters are very different than the comic, they still had something to base it on. Right. Right. Right. Which was leaps and bounds ahead of what everyone else was sure. Sure. Sure. So I'm definitely going to the Cadillacs and dinosaurs 11 a.m. I'm watching something called Kidimation. Kidimation was topics include dinosaurs. Here's why you're going to love this. Yeah. Also, a look at the lie jungle and a visit with Howie Mandel. I forgot he was on that. Yes. I read the description and I forgot. That was that was actually one of the reasons that I was like, Oh, that could be fun. Yeah. And you're going with that over young Charlie Chaplin on the Disney channel. I also noticed that I didn't know what that was. I don't know what that is either. It's an hour long show in the Disney channel. I know nothing about it. Yeah. I would have gone with it. Is it like the young Indiana Jones, where like he has adventures with him getting the hat like the mustache River Phoenix, the mythical mustache. He like falls in the mud and like he has a mustache in his face. He's like, Oh, maybe I should keep this. Everybody cheers. I would have gone with the real world. No question. Really over a Kidimation? Yeah. We're not. The magic words were in Kidimation. Howie Mandel or would have flipped some dinosaurs and Howie Mandel. There you go. It's like catalax and dinosaurs minus the catalax plus Howie Mandel 1130. What are you going with? This is a little tough. Yeah. Tunes was sort of trail. It wasn't that much. I'm going with family matters. Oh, more perfect strangers. Yeah. I used to like family matters over. Yeah. The year in Rock is on MTV. I didn't notice that in 1983. And the NBC weekend special is from 1985. It's a captured golden leopard goes to Congress to save his species and his own skin in the bullo caper. See, I would want I wasn't sure what that was. What? It's animated. Is it? Yeah. Oh, I didn't notice that. I would have watched that if I knew it was a cartoon. The bullo caper. I assumed that that was like a movie about bringing an animal to Congress. If I knew it was a cartoon with like an actual animal going in front of Congress, I would have chosen. So if the animal talks, you're okay. Yeah. If it's just a real animal, you don't care. If it was like an actual animal life walking in and like what about an animal from the Muppets? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Testifying in front of Congress. Yes. I think we just wrote the next Muppet movie. Yeah. We would like to begin with. Yeah. And he's got the water and glasses on is perfect. Perfect. Animal with like a little reading glasses. Yeah. I think we did it. Animal doing a filibuster. Jesus Christ, we did it. Your favorite thing is learning tunes. That's Muppets. Go to Congress. Muppets. Go to Congress. You know what? That sounds like a really good idea. It does. Or like a really bad Jay Leno joke. My favorite thing. My favorite thing about Jim Henson is like, oh, you're horrible. Thank you, folks. Get it out. It's like how intense he always is in like interviews. He's so subversive. He really believes in the ideals of this sort of post-war world. And he got a lot of subversive messages through with very mainstream art, which is why it's sad to me that the Muppets belong to Disney in that last Muppet movie or two Muppet movies ago that everyone was like, this is a return to former. It's garbage. It's garbage. That's a pretty strong statement. It's garbage. Yeah. I don't know. And I saw it that there were people that I know that love the Muppets that were like, oh, no, it's actually good. And I was like, this is terrible. This is just that nostalgic garbage where they go. Oh, they made a reference to the old one. Then it's good, but it doesn't have the heart. It doesn't have the character. It's Muppy, but not in an interesting way. And I know I think you can't do that thing without Henson. Yeah. You are on fire today. Well, I have strong opinions. Yeah. You act like this is new to you. Oh, you know each other? I would do it a cartoon Saturday morning cartoon. And you're like, this sucks. And this guy. I'm very, I'm very, very opinion about cartoons. I actually have to be. Yeah. Well, these don't you don't like any, you don't like any Henson. You don't like any Muppets stuff after Henson. No, there hasn't been a single good thing. The Muppets Christmas Carol, some people like there's some vestigial Henson-isms and that is clearly started before he died. His son did. His son did. But you know, I stood behind his son in line and asked him Colorado to listen to him order food and his speaking voice is Hoggle from Wabbard. That's his normal speech. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. But you know, even then his son was sort of forced out. I actually, you know, one of my favorite things that Henson did was the Jim Henson hour in 1989. Yeah. Yeah. Before he died. And that Muppets show was fantastic. Yeah. And it's just been completely forgotten about the storyteller. Have you seen Little Muppet monsters? Yes. There's only less than three episodes. Yeah. It was an interesting experience. It's different. It had some good stuff. Yeah. And there's also the people that worked with Henson who were great like Jerry Jule. Oh, yeah. Great writer. Oh, yeah. Frank Oz. Frank Oz. And when you when you don't have those guys involved either, I think yeah. Frank Oz is missing. And there was there was not even just the voices, but I think the magic of those guys working together. Yeah. And so it's it's like people trying to write music under a band name without any of the original members. Yeah. That's a good that's a really good analogy. You know what I mean? It's like people going off. It's Black Sabbath. It's great. Yeah. But Disney owns it and no one from Black Sabbath is in it. You know who is you know, it was really, really ahead of its time. Muppet babies. Oh, absolutely. Muppet babies. Muppet babies is totally timeless. That's every every show now. I think is just a take off on Muppet babies where it's like like community is like is like a live action Muppet babies. Very much. So let's do a Western this week and it's one of the saddest things about Henson not being around is that he wasn't just doing the Muppet show and then variations on that as it went on. Yeah, he's all different and innovating and creating shows that were more and more increasingly timeless and interesting. And the Jim Henson hour was a classic example of that. It was a very 90s version of the Muppets in the best possible way. Yeah. And you could see where who knows where it could have gone. And then it never did. And instead, the Muppets were never about nostalgia. They were never about looking back on the song. Well, I mean, the Muppet. This is how long we've been doing the show. Yeah. This is a long one. I mean, the Muppet. You said it again. What? You said the magic word. That makes Linus and Lucy play. The Muppet show was like a like it was like a Vonville revival. It was. It was. So, hold on a moment. This isn't an unusually long long clock. The Muppet show, though, was sort of tells me what culture, but it wasn't reflective on itself. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what they've missed, I think, is they just reference the Muppets themselves. Anything you want to say. And I think that for most people, that makes them think the people making it have a reverence for it, because they go, oh, they know about it. Right. They've referenced it. And to me, that's the exact opposite. To me, that means they only know the superficial, you know, they watched it when they're a kid. They're not doing stuff in the spirit. They're playing with the sort of sandbox in a way that I can't believe I got to play with the Muppets and I'm happy about it. But not in a way that I think Henson would have done. And that's, you know, that makes me sad. Like, I'd rather not see that. Interesting. That's a good point. Strong opinions about this in the Muppets. You know, there's very few things I don't have strong opinions about. Oh, I know. I'm difficult to speak to. So, your favorite thing is Looney Tunes. My favorite. Yeah. I would say my favorite. Well, I don't know. I mean, it's tough, because like, I also really like, like, the Simpsons, but it's not a Saturday morning trip. No, it's not a Saturday, but it is a cartoon. So, it's tough saying, like, the Looney Tunes are my favorite cartoon when there's something like the Simpsons that I really like. Right. But primetime cartoons are a whole different way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Looney Tunes are probably my favorite, though. Like, definitely my favorite, Theatrical. Do you watch anything on a Saturday now? The cartoons are really not. But just, yeah, anything in the morning. No. You read the paper and have your coffee. And the paper listens to jazz. Yeah. Listen to the "Jank Benny" show on radio. Put your beret on and just beat-neck it up. Yeah. Beat-neck it up. Beat-nicks are my favorite thing from old TV that has no, like, modern equivalent. No. Not really. Have you ever seen "Color Me Blood" read? No. Oh, no. I'm sorry, "Bucket of Blood." The Dick Miller movie. Yes. I know of it. That's the best it's... It's gonna be on TCM in a couple of days, and I'm planning on watching it. You will really enjoy it. Yeah, I've heard of it. I'm a big one. I am obviously a really big Dick Miller fan. Everybody is. I donated to the Kickstarter for his documentary. I asked, "Did I?" It comes out very soon. Yeah, I got my pin. I got that Dick Miller. Yeah. So, "Bucket of Blood," he happens. Yeah. That's like one of his few starring roles, right? It is, yeah. That's where he plays Walter Paisley, which is the character that they name him in almost everything that he's in. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They'll always credit him as Walter Paisley. Oh, man. Back to Gremlins. Yes. Well, he was Mr. Futterman. He's Mr. Futterman, but he's in Gremlins mostly because of "Bucket of Blood." Yeah, that's right. That's right. And he's in Gremlins too, even though he apparently died in the first one. Well, he survived. Yeah. Anthony, thank you for doing that. Thank you, Kenneth. You're on the elite list of who have come out of them. Yeah. They won't ever close me, Kenneth. No, I do. Sometimes. Do you know anyone who can that goes by Kenneth? No, I don't. I think they'd be a real dink. Yeah, if they did that. Or Kenny's bad too. Yeah, Kenny. Well, thank you. Yeah, thank you. And then again, Vinnie Tunes enthusiasts. And owner of a great head of hair, Mr. Anthony Cebelli. You should definitely check him out. He writes for crack.com and a bunch of other places on the internet. He is New England based and does a lot of comedy. So if you are in the area, definitely look out for him and try to see him live, he will not be disappointed. 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