TV Guidance Counselor
TV Guidance Counselor Episode 43: Clarke Wolfe
oh wait you have a TV? no I don't like to read the TV guide read the TV guide don't need a TV hello and welcome to TV guidance counselor iam can read your tv guidance counselor and it is time to talk about classic television my guest this week is clark wolf she is a writer and podcaster she works mostly for nerdist these days but also does her own podcast called the blood cast she is a fellow horror enthusiast you can hear her on nerdist as their entertainment reporter but more specifically she does the sleepy cast the official sleepy hollow podcast great time of year to listen to that i'm a fan of sleepy hollow and i think that you should watch it if you don't if you like fringe it's a lot of the people that worked on that show and it's a fun fun show so clark runs that show she's very smart she's funny she has a lot of good insights and i really enjoyed speaking with her so please enjoy this week's episode of tv guidance counselor with my guest clark wolf clark wolf hello everyone how are you thank you thank you take your photo of me at your table here we are recording in west coast as i'm doing my west coast tour of people's homes which is super cool that you get to like that you do that i thought it was fun although you saw the trunkful of tv guides which everyone is commenting on how psychotic that looks see but only only i don't know how people look at that say that's psychotic because if you looked at my trunk this is probably weird i mean yeah exactly you could find a lot we were things in there we've been a few people have suggested i suggest return the rental car with them in there just to give all those people that sort of story and be like i rent such a car right we get it a week later this is full of tv guides the weirdest thing we got that would be hilarious yeah that might be fun so you know but i would need to have a hidden camera of some sort to see the reaction yeah because the payoff would not work for you exactly so you picked a tv guide from the week of october 18th to the 24th 1997 which deceptively says halloween preview but it's the week before i guess they're really mean preview yeah it's a true preview of halloween before halloween and it's Melissa joe and heart on the car as she was supreme to the teenage wish at the time yes which i watched every week i also enjoyed spring it's such a cute show it was a pretty good show and also it took place in seil mass chusits which was appealing to me and when she went to college later and the opening credits they were on newberry street and all these places i used to hang out when i was uh yeah some green screen thing i'm sure she was never there but i was like oh this is this cool man i know that place that is cool i actually think i might have left sebrena when she went before she went to college because i don't remember sebrena in college yeah that's probably a good thing that's probably something that you should brag about it's like do you remember sebrena in college and if you say no you just get like four cool i remember well i remember when harvey kind of subtly disappeared yes yes which was weird subtly written out of it's kind of very bewitched yes it's true that's true it was not ever being recast yeah bewitched down was always able to explain away as some sort of witch issue true whereas like fresh prince there was no supernatural explanation for every casting i couldn't make that work so you grew up in atlanta right yes they did are you an only child or do you have a younger brother okay and did you guys did you have one tv in the house or did you all have you kind of your own we had lots of tv's okay we did we it's funny because you know my parents are are not lazy but i not to say that having tv's you're off a tv you are lazy exactly no um but my mom i think my mom really likes television like i was actually thinking about this recently um and she always had the tv on right but not in that she was sitting down watching it all the time it was just on and and it was a lot of journalistic shows okay like i remember we would watch the local news then we watched the nbc nightly news wow and then she'd switch over to entertainment tonight so that's pop culture news right right right and then um you know she was like she would watch the sitcoms at eight o'clock okay um but you know i think it was because she just was busy genuinely like to watch her she did yeah yeah she didn't she just she's always loved television like i think she's just a fan like even now she watches game of thrones oh she watches you know like a ray donovan so she doesn't oh my dad loves ray don't know what is up with that well i i think my dad likes it because isn't he supposed to be like a boston mobster yes and so i think my dad's like yeah i know these kind of guys well i started ray donovan uh because it was just like fun trash yeah for a while yeah but then it just got ridiculous so you got it on i kind of well i kind of fell off oh because i was like i can't even like i can't even keep up with this anymore right so yeah i my dad's always telling me to watch because i really enjoyed burn notice yes and my dad's like all ray donovan's just like burn those what it's better it's way better than burn notice that's hilarious so you didn't have did your parents limit were they like you can only watch x and on of hours of television or there were some shows you weren't allowed to watch yeah you know it's funny um i i am without getting weird like right off in the bat uh you know we like it yeah we like getting weird okay good there was some stuff that went on when i was younger i was always interested in pop culture and entertainment but um like some family stuff went on and um i i kind of went through like a dark face okay the best of us do exactly and um you know as a result of that i really got into entertainment okay like i just absorbed and consumed as much film and television as i possibly could and um you know it didn't like it wasn't so if there were limits placed on that it was more for that i think and like like less about you know like actual content it was just you're doing too much like yes yes yeah i know i uh had the same exact thing i mean i would i at one point had to get membership at all their video stores because i had literally rented wow that's impressive there was nothing left and i would watch a movie i still watch a movie almost every day okay but uh yeah in high school and middle school there were like three four mine was mostly elementary school and middle school and then and actually it's funny because like i we talk about it all the time on my i host a horror podcast called the blood cast with a ryan turic from shock to drop and um you know a lot of times through because our show is a conversational show um and so we tell a lot of stories or it's like the context when did you first hear about this when did you first see about it see in something and um and you know uh when uh it's funny because high school comes up a lot right and i actually had come out of my weird phase my high school that's highly unusual it is i did it i just did it early um i guess that's the type a overachiever i've already done with the weird things and so high school was actually pretty okay in my in for me but there was time when i was younger um that was like that more that period that classic watching too many movies yes and you're really into horror movies obviously was it mostly horror stuff at that time or i just had everything i was really scared i was a scaredy cat yeah i really really was and so um so i was more i gravitated towards a lot of comedy um and dark fantasy so you know like legend and labyrinth and willow and you're pretty terrifying dark crystal yeah and uh and um there were a couple of like other opital jus like a lot of tim berten i love tim berten from a very early age so not that difficult of a transition into straight horror stuff so it was a good way honestly and it's on our list today but um i think buffy was like the thing that really transitioned me from um from fantasy into horror okay that makes sense i think that's a good gateway into that because it's a good bridge and i came to buffy later i came to buffy in high school um and uh and so it's funny i actually missed seasons one through three which is like everybody's you know when you talk to a buffy fan they're like oh when buffy was in high school and buffy at angel well i skipped all that right right so i came there in college when she was in college rather than i was in high school so you ditched serena when she went to college but picked up and picked up buffy when she was that's exactly what it was so um but that being said when i was in high school that was when i was less scared of what i was seeing on the screen right and could really absorb and enjoy horror film a little bit more without being paralyzed with fear because what happened was when i was younger and i like cousins were all older i had girlfriends who you know their mom would show it moms would show us horror movies right and they all thought it was dumb but i really thought it yeah and so like when i was 12 i watched the exorcist i didn't sleep for a year oh that's very very terrifying it was so and you know it was even more interesting it's like it wasn't a religious thing at all right it wasn't like oh the devil it was just what i was seeing it's viscerally scary yes i mean i i i've told this story before in the podcast but you you may enjoy this um my mother used to just drop me off my grandfather's house for you know the whole day okay and with the stack of videotapes and i would sit in a living room and watch him and he was just this big angry Norwegian man oh my god and he uh he worked in the boiler room at this hospital that looked what it looked like Freddy Krueger's boy it was like just scaffolding in like four different levels of terror and he would just sit down there all day and then he'd come home and just sit at this kitchen table and smoke in the dark that's what he would do and he watched three things people's court uh hawaii five oh and uh and uh price is right there's no other things you watch so he wouldn't talk to me i would just sit in there and watch videos so my mother always grabbed me horror videos right wildly inappropriate things like pieces oh my god yeah and neon maniac and splatter the architects of fear that was one that was rather embarrassing and watched but the exorcist was one and i had actually seen it before i had a really bad insomnia problem i slept maybe two hours a night when i was a kid so i used to stay up and watch everything so i'd seen it before and was terrified watching that alone but i'm watching it and it's the crucifix rosary rosary beads scene yeah and my grandfather comes into the living room and shoves his giant hand into the vcr doesn't press exact jack he shoves his hand into the vcr and then smashes the tape against the wall and saying nothing and then just walks back into the kitchen and sits down and lights us oh my gosh yeah we had to pay for the tape my yeah it was uh so that's a intrinsically linked to the the exorcist in my brain unbelievable yeah my grandma would take us to turtles and rent movies oh turtles is the video store that was the day with the videos were they one of those weird ones that was like we also have a tanning booth and uh we sell pizzas nope this is a time when in the suburbs you could actually own and operate your own videos oh yes yes and uh and then yeah but but it was funny because my cousins would always rent like night of the living dead right and there were original and the remake actually right which are both very good they're both very good but that i that's one of my earliest memories of of something similar like going to grandma's house and knowing there's going to be something scary something scary going around yeah she had no idea by the way she would just like leave in the room oh whatever yeah oh i bet i mean there's that famous review that um roger rebert did of the night of the living dead when he went to see it on a saturday afternoon matinee and it was all children in the audience oh my god oh my god they just stayed with their heart movies you know yeah just these B movies and so they threw that movie on and it's a it's a great uh review if you can find out about mine i should read that it's great because he he hated it but he came to like it later but he's basically sitting in this theater full of children just being scarred for life by this movie and it's yeah he's knows what he's seeing like he knows as an adult what is happening to these twenty minds or whatever it's not appropriate for them you know i recently rebert's funny because i recently um did a did a piece or a segment where i looked at like these um reviews of classic horror films at the time like when they came out so it was the extra sister was mary's baby um knows for autume or now knows for autume um and things like that and one of them that was as we all as horror fans know the thing john carpenters the thing was was everyone hated it like all john carpenters like exactly and you know um not one from like five or six major outlets gave it a positive review and i always wondered and obviously Roger Ebert has died now but he did go back and re-examine some horror films that he maybe wanted to give a second look to and i've looked into it and i can't find a piece on the thing as far as i know he never went back to the thing that's just it was always weird because ebert was definitely more sympathetic to horror movies and it's fun to go back and watch the clips from the show and see them argue with uh see their dogs of the week that's always good because it's always a great obscure horror flick and they ebert really hates slasher movies so anything remotely close to that uh he i think he really enjoyed the original thing if i remember so that might be why i didn't like that one but i think that movie was just uh it was so misunderstood yeah people didn't know what to expect but even the other movies you mentioned like legend and yeah i just read a great piece a great interview with uh jim hinson's widow about kind of looking back on his legacy right and uh one of the things i think it was vulture i think it was on vulture it was it was within the last week but one of the things i talked about was labyrinth yeah and they talked about how she talked about and how you know it was very personal film for him obviously and how critics and audiences both just didn't get it yeah i mean i remember seeing that in the theater i actually saw that on my sixth birthday oh my god it came out and loved it but it was there was no one in there i mean we saw there was no one else in the theater and i remember trying to talk to kids at school about it yeah i didn't see that i just don't understand well i do understand because stuff like that could easily get missed but it's like that movie you know there are certain movies where i feel like if somebody had shown me that if i had missed that as a kid you'd be a very different person well yes but also if i had missed it as a kid and somebody showed it to me now i would probably be like how have i never seen this right where can i find more of it right like what what i mean these gems that and honestly i go back all the time like i've really tried with a lot of terry jillian gillian stuff and um it's it's just too weird for me really even now yeah like i try and i love the pythons and i love all there and i love listening them talk and i love there and i love gilliam's ambition but his stuff's got a different bed it's so different and i i you know like i feel like i would love all of these things like i read the premise on paper and i'm like this is right it adds up yeah but but then i watch and i'm just like i can't why can't i connect with this if you ever had a friend or someone you know be like i was watching this movie and i instantly thought of you you're gonna love this and then you were like okay let me check it out and you're like what do you think of me like it's some really messed up like really weird thing and you're like i feel very bad about the way my friends look at me all the time i mean people because people for a long time it definitely sends high school um associate me with horror film right and so it's like you know they'll they'll talk to me about horror film a little ask me about horror films and and i love that but it is funny because sometimes they'll be like oh do you like that do you like that movie like it could be something atrocious and they're like do you like that yeah and i'm like what i'm not like a room i have taste here exactly thank you it's not just anything exactly so into the Saturday night uh eight o'clock what'd you go with well okay there's a lot of different options here because we have to understand that in 1997 how old was i i was 11 i was 11 and so on an on an average saturday night you could find me watching SNCC so i you know of course we have the rugrats right and we have all that we have keenan and kel but at it o'clock on that particular saturday night was also a movie called kareena kareena right which i have heard of but never seen yeah we were talking about this before we started recording and i feel like i watched this movie 900 times as a child so i might as just mystics it was 1994 it came out yes and i was 14 and that came out and i definitely was not in the age group that was into whoopi goldberg movies but this tv got only gives it two stars the tv got his harsh on kareena kareena okay it's a comedy drama they say and this is on tnt whoopi goldberg sassy performance and liven's this tale about a 1950s maid who goes to work for a widower and his withdrawn daughter and the widower is played by raley oat yes and raley oat to answer earlier question is not supposed to be scary in this movie is he though no he's very loved see okay let me let me give you a little fun context here when i grew up and realized that raley oat was the scary guy right i was like the guy from kareena kareena he can't be scary he's cool what do you mean he's scary i feel like i started discovering all these other things and i'm like she's so silly it's kind of like christopher maloney my first experience with christopher maloney was wet hot american summer right so i find out later he's this like serious like in a law and order guy and i'm like jean yeah so it's whenever you're first exposed to uh that you develop that's what that person is like i i think the first time i remember raley oat it was in something wild okay uh which is a great movie jonathan demi movie okay that starts off as sort of a wacky comedy and has it's it's the best example of a movie completely switching talent mid way through and he is terrifying at the end like she is terrifying because like a complete psycho stuff and uh that's and that movie particularly affected me because i was like yay funny comment like john waters is in the movie at the beginning and uh it's it's great the whole movie's great but that switch was the total just pulls the rug rug off from under you and was he made him even scarier wow that's so interesting that was where i knew him from but korita korita he's playing nice dad nice dad race relations heartwarming tale and this is a movie you watch over and over and over this okay yes so this is a common theme with me i would re-watch things right so that's my favorites yes would you buy the tapes tape them off tv or just rent them it depended like um you know there were we had a huge video collection like we my dad would buy movies for one for us so that was great um and then um certain things when i figured out like i remember as a kid after saturday night live would come on sometimes they would show like real saturday night like 11 30 sometimes they would show um stand up yes and i taped i remember watching john steward yep and he had this special and i didn't remember some of the jokes um and uh like about sedom's being on a short leash exactly yeah exactly and keep in mind i am 11 or 12 it's a good way to learn about politics if that's exactly kind of what it was because my parents had the news on all the time right so it was like a funny way to understand her dad name before exactly so i saw john steward um do the stand up special way too late like after ssl and um it came on again like uh months later and i ran downstairs i taped it right and i still have that tape yeah like i still you know so i would tape certain things um but it just depended on what they were so i mean i think that that speaks to the way in you're a little younger than me but the way that we grew up where you felt the need to go tape that yeah you had to have a copy of that and so you probably cherish that a little more and we watched it because you said you know i went out of my way to get this right and now i have it and i need to rewatch it all the time whereas now you could probably take for granted if you saw the last five minutes of that on tv you could search for it on your phone and watch it whenever you want and and because of that probably never watch it well it was funny is like twitter i think has become the new taping so what i mean by that is it's like if i'm watching a show and there is a panel show or i see a guest or i see an actor i see whatever whether it's comedy or a director or an actor and i don't know who they are right i will immediately go to twitter and i will say do they have a twitter account okay and then i'll follow it because if i'm impressed by somebody and i don't know their work that's kind of like the first thing like i need to keep up with what they're doing i followed them on twitter oh that's interesting yeah so it's like um so nowadays i probably i do it all the time i would i would probably go okay are they on twitter what do they do and then kind of learn and then go to the netflix key which is so easy like if you saw if you wanted to do that for john Stewart when you saw this in 1997 you have to write him a letter yeah i mean maybe you could have emailed but you would have to get like a pen and paper and write a letter i wrote both jonathan brandis and jonathan taylor tom is blood nice so you like the jonathan i was on to it was into the jonathan's and uh jonathan taylor tom is i got a postcard back was it autograph uh it allegedly okay very stamp yeah you're super excited i was so excited oh yes of course those are those the only two people that you wrote to that i wrote to yes but i mean i was like oh my god i was such a little fan girl where did you get their address was it printed in like 17 months they would do that's a bop bop did you have a subscription to bop nope but i bought it every week did you put up the posters yes my room was insane there was a period of time where my room was just covered with jonathan taylor tom this poster so you are you are made of nature oh god does home improvement come off this home okay so you're doing the full two hours of karina karina yeah that's let's call it that um i would have gone with either antiques roadshow where i was 17 as a big fan of antiques roadshow or the real world which started to get bad then but i had probably seen this episode because mtv reared everything i never like real world i got into with the new warland season okay that's when it started to get a little yeah sex and punching yep sex and punching and then um i always liked the challenges yes like so when the road rules in real world would do the challenges yes i liked those but i never really got into the show's individual i like the the early seasons were more like a social experiment right they had like actual interesting people interacting with each other and you know it's funny about that through television through mtv's own i guess wanking i know about that because i would watch the review shows or like you know and then just like i was such a consumer at this age right i really just like consumed anything pop culture yeah no i was the same i mean i in 1990 when entertainment weekly came on i got a subscription from the first issue and i used to pay for it myself and i had a subscription entering weekly for my entire you know from ages 10 to like 22 i was the same way that was my christmas present every year and actually um i was published in entertainment weekly when i was 14 really what was that it was um because i uh they did a cut home never forget so i was i don't know if i was 13 how old i was when the six sense came out it's 1999 so i i was i was 13 and um i went opening night i don't know why and i think it's a big deal yeah i think because i had read about it i had i known what i had you know and also horror i was interested but um and it's PG 13 and it's PG 13 and the thing is though there's no my parents did not go with me so i don't know how i got to the theater i think they might have dropped me off because they were because this is another thing about me that's super kind of weird for a lot of people i went to movies alone i was never all the time yeah like it doesn't that was never weird for me or hard because it's not like you're talking to someone during the movie or something but it shouldn't be a little i agree yeah i did the same thing i mean i my parents one of the only good things my friends did was every single wednesday from 1982 when i was two years old we went to the movies wow we never missed a week holy cow and i went with them until about 94 but then i kept going by myself so every wednesday from 1992 to about 2002 i went to the movies every single week so i saw a minimum of 52 movies a year and um the majority of them i would go by myself sure and i like that i used to always go to like the matinee on a Tuesday when i was in college and that day off and i would often be the only one in that theater that's cool which is great so yeah i don't think there's anything weird yeah i mean it's just it's so funny because people are really uncomfortable with that idea of going to movie by yourself or going to restaurant by yourself and it's just like okay well i don't know what to tell you you need to eat you want to watch something really and i'm not gonna wait that was the thing it was like look because my dad like my dad would take us to movies a lot when i was younger but my mom didn't usually want to go right and so i was like well i'm not gonna wait for you guys i really want to see this and it might be gone in a week but i'm doing well exactly so um with the sixth sense i went and um i saw it opening night and i was just of course like my mind was blown and and to this day i just read this like retrospective i think it was a v club i was writing or talking about m night chamalan and how he was overrated and even looking back on his stuff now because it was about unbreakable which is what my article or not my article my letter was about ten or ten a weekly and i disagreed with a lot of the stuff they said about especially about the sixth sense because they're kind of like back handedly were like well it wasn't that great it was a fluke and it was like but yes it was and that's all you know because sixth sense was great i think my my problem with m night chamalan is that he is a better director than a writer absolutely but he won't he won't let someone else write something direct ego maniac and that's the thing is like i trust me i'm off the train yeah i'm so off that train um i stuck around through the i like the village i still i am in the minority but i like the village um and uh but after that it was just like woof this is a mess okay so sixth sense i go um i mind blown i'm like i've i follow the oscars as a little one and really into that and entertainment weekly oh yeah so i'm right on board okay so you're with me so unbreakable is coming out and i've seen the trailers and it's a cover story entertainment weekly cover story about unbreakable and i go to see unbreakable and i remember the opening title about comic books yes and i was just like what and the reason i reacted that way immediately was this is not how you sold me this movie right it was it was a complete switcher yes from minute one right and so i'm like i'm not on board with this and then the movie you know to to this day i still don't have the affection for unbreakable that a lot of people do um so i wrote them a letter i wrote entertainment a let weekly letter and i was like this is a mess and like how they sold it to us like you know this way and that's wrong and or whatever i am aiming entertainment weekly well i'm blaming it a little bit but just like maybe maybe my i don't remember what i was responding to but i was responding to something right and they called my mom while i was at school really yeah because actually this was when i was 14 yeah because unbreakable came out that's right because i was a freshman in high school so they called the house they called the phone number on the letter and they were like hello we'd like to speak with clack wolf but my mom was like she's not here you know what's this regarding and they're like well this is called entertainment weekly and wanted to let her let them know because obviously nobody thinks i'm a girl um that uh that their piece or their letter is going to be published in this yeah in this um month this week's issue and my mom goes said something like well she's at school right now but all that or no so sure enough it came out um in a the best of 99 issue or no no not 99 couldn't have been 99 something one i think whether but russell crow was on the cover i remember gladiator it was no it was like because they used to do a best of and it was russell crow was like the entertainment entertainer of the year and then they showed up obviously it must have been i don't remember but anyway so uh so that that yes so i that entertainment week so it's the first time you ever got something from the first time did you still have a coffee do i do it's not here with me in l.a but it's definitely yeah yeah very nice so so that's your first published work as a media critic come on so we've done seven a night then yeah i also want to mention that the lawnmower man is on which is a terrible movie that i enjoy watching nothing like the original story but uh that was in the 90s when everyone was afraid of computers yeah which is so fascinating me like cybermore whatever which the johnnie tep movie that's out now yes seems to me how is that not the lawnmower man i haven't seen it but seen it either everything i've heard about it i'm just like oh yeah the lawnmower man yeah i that's what everybody's kind of said now actually i'm just realizing that i didn't write anything down for sunday nothing you were like why did i do that i wrote down i was not in here i'm jewish so but uh anc i wrote down anc one p.m who's afraid of virginia wolf because that couldn't believe they were showing i couldn't believe that um but uh i remember and i wonder if we can look but um a wonderful world of do me i don't remember if that was happening in 1987 sometimes on in 1997 but they wouldn't necessarily would do them as special so it wasn't all the time for many years it was every single sunday night then it moved to the disney channel so it wasn't at this time but you had simpsons was on they had moved to sunday nights i never was in the simpsons really i'm still not still don't get it this is unusual yeah it is because you know i am very much though um there it's it's interesting because for me like especially now you know a lot of people have the conversation about like south park or family guy and for me it's i'm like such a south park person right um south park so very different it's so different but it's also that's the thing is a different kind of comedy and not to say that the simpsons isn't smart but i think that that whole like absurdist kind of thing i think people lump them all together because they're animated that's true that's true doesn't mean that they're remotely similar at all but it's a different brand of comedy it's a different type of comedy and i think my brain just tends to skew uh kind of go a different direction so i've still never gotten into the simpsons yeah i mean the simpsons is it's almost not even a show so much as a genre yeah that's true and it's gone through so many different phases and there are people who hate whole decades of the simpsons and love certain other ones so the simpsons the reason that it surprises me that you don't like the simpsons i've never gotten into it let's say it's just for the the pop culture obsession because the simpsons did such smart loving references to things that the twilight zone and those things that were probably things that you liked and not a family guy lazy way yes very smart they were they were integrated into the plots yeah so that sort of thing really appealed to me as a kid who for no apparent reason have this working knowledge of you know 60s right ease and stuff that i shouldn't know about and why would i why would anybody would get referenced in a contemporary show it was always sort of satisfying to get those jokes yeah you totally get it and you're like i'm a kid and i totally get it right right so that was satisfying but in that respect i'm a little surprised i didn't get into it but and not totally shocked it just i don't know and i might have been too young to really like uh because i also didn't like the family itself didn't like for instance you know they're unlikable well and all it's it's you know because i like unlikable people but it's some more of like a um you know my dad was not a Homer simpson type right so my dad was not an uh an albundi type so you didn't identify with exactly and my mom was not a marj simpson kind of type what family what's the cum family would you say was the most like your family oh that's such a tough question yeah i couldn't answer that question um you know i didn't really i don't i don't really know of one um because you know my my parents are my dad is super cool um and so is my both my parents are awesome i love my parents we get along really really well but my they have such an unique dynamic okay so you couldn't you couldn't think of a parallel no definitely but at the same time you're still comparing them to things that you don't like that's true that's true i mean i i definitely like um if i could have picked a tv family it definitely would have been like a home improvement family really well that's just so you could live in a house with jtt well oh that's true that's true that's true that's true i sure do but they're on my list too yeah you know what i'm saying this is a difficult night there there really isn't that much on a day o'clock but speaking about my python i would have gone with full circle with michael palen i saw that i saw that listed there and i guess that's the time travel element if i could go back and and have a magic tv yes and watch that i probably would have used travel logs are great and he was one of the first person that did that sort of thing and i i always enjoyed watching them they were always pretty exciting uh but that's two hours that night and that's probably what i would have gone with because there really isn't a lot it's sort of surprising how little is on and we were talking earlier about how lois and clark i think was done at this point we watch that show every week as a family yes um well my mom yeah yeah yeah as a family yep did you get uh a lot of that clark uh clark can't wolf uh no no i'm being sarcastic and yes all the time yeah i used to get called uh superman and clark can't because i've had the stupid haircut my whole life but i like that you're good yeah it wasn't uh it wasn't very popular in the 90s well you know what i tell you what it's uh everybody can have their man of steel bullshit and i'll take my old school superman any day yeah it's funny how there's this huge resurgence in comic book interest obviously and i'm a lifelong comic book fan but lois and clark was a huge show i mean it was huge yeah and no one ever mentions that show anymore i don't know what i don't know if it's because both of those stars have sort of yeah you know it's definitely fate and i don't want to say fated because terry hatcher obviously was big on desperate housewives yeah but they're definitely not i wouldn't say they're a list no and dn kane i guess never really he never really transitioned no he just went i can't think of any roles he played after that he went to just hosting stuff like the rippleys believe or not i watched all these different kinds of things so he definitely wasn't identified as anything but superman right which i mean i guess if you're gonna have very identified as something for the rest of your life they're totally worst things yeah and that was a pretty good show but that was magazine covers i mean huge yeah and also by the way i mean that show is smallville except with older actors yeah like monster of the week and it's and you know literally like i i don't know how lois and clark didn't like you know pursue legal action and get smallville it's like the same they're constantly reinventing dc comics especially oh this will be comic nerd uh diversion here but uh they their characters are so archetypes that you can reinvent them if you just get the basic premise and the kernel of it you can reinterpret them in so many different ways which is why you see there was an 80s superboy series right there was the 90s lowest and clark we had smallville in the 2000s minesteal and they're not that far apart time wise but very very different interpretations and it's i couldn't think of anything else that would be that reinvented so often and so quickly yeah and and shove the other one right out of the way so weird i i have so many i have so many thoughts on the dc you but whatever it doesn't matter currently it's in it's in a bit of a sham it's my humble opinion as well i love the marvel cinematic universe yeah like i love you i just it's fun yeah that's the truth like i i'm not you i always want to be very clear you know because i understand the disrespect that that sort of came in the 90s with like the the really lazy comic adaptations or the 90s were the worst era for comics i mean yeah it's like so i understand the idea of like and then and the desire to maybe over correct right but at the same time now everything is so serious yeah that is like not even fun in a sense of fun i mean i think that the best comic book adaptation ever was that Bruce Tim Paul Dini animated universe it started with Batman animated series and Justice League and Justice League Unlimited are perfect absolutely perfect Paul Dini you know because i was i was had a really hard time um i was had a really hard time getting into comics i think it was actually the format meaning beating and the panels and the it's a weird skill that you kind of have to develop that it's not natural it's true and i also think that for a time it's about finding the right character it's about finding the arc that really brings you in and yeah to be honest too like you were probably trying to check them out in the late 90s early 2000s and it was extremely geared towards adolescent boys right it was just all for 13-year-old boys and but two Paul Dini's credits his arcs on zatana stuff yeah recently i have been reading so much zatana and i love her yeah like she she's such a cool character if you're married a stage magician that looks exactly like zatana so um my my editor-in-chief at Nerdist Brian Walton gave me one of his books that's based on her yeah that just came to read and so i that's on next time it's literally sitting on my on my coffee table Paul Dini wrote for he might even wrote for Lois and Clark but he wrote for a ton of 90s tv shows before he sort of finds me and you know his stuff like the zatana stuff i've read mad love i've mad love over there um because i'm interested in Harley and all the really Quinn and all that but um his stuff reads to me like Buffy yeah it's a similar voice yeah and i dig that you know like that's those are the type of characters that i relate to and i like reading especially the female characters and they weren't really represented on television till the mid 90s at the at the earliest i'm thinking right we definitely didn't have zina was a huge she was she was zina was weird too because i you know like Hercules was on zina was on during this time um and i watched them yeah but you know there was something inauthentic yeah it's it's it seems like a 60 year old tv writers view of what that thing is and they were fun because i liked the monsters right yeah loved the monsters i loved the minotaur episode of of uh Hercules used to watch old or excuse me anthology shows like the Twilight Zone and outer limits yeah i did more more Twilight Zone for sure my dad would watch that stuff um on Saturdays and Sundays like because he's an attorney so like he worked all the time so he needs to unwind it's just yes and so we would we would watch the Twilight Zone and and honestly that's where a lot of my pop culture um references and education came from watching stuff with my dad yeah and because he had such a knowledge of that too right and so um so yeah so i definitely watched the Twilight Zone as a kid and all the new incarnations as well and the 80s ones pretty great yeah they were fine i mean they were they were fun yeah absolutely um so we're at monday monday what'd you go with so at eight o'clock um this might have been a rerun oh because we picked a weird week yes um because it was baseball it's baseball playoffs week so which is something that i never even consider being a thing it's so funny but uh but so i have suddenly Susan even though on Thursday there's a disclaimer saying suddenly Susan's supposed to run on Thursday yeah they might move it around if the if the playoffs went long so in this one uh Susan Brookshield uh rescinds the accolades jack showering on matty and jack disturbed by the gift Susan received from an adoring fan who might be a wealthy bachelor i gotta say that does not sound very pretty no i never got into that show i i couldn't i would watch it i don't i again i think it was just consuming yeah just a background and it was on yeah it was popular i did recently uh interview nester carbell oh yes forbade's motel madman well and yes and uh and he i talked to him on that about that show like briefly i was like i've watched i know you know like i'm watching you since suddenly Susan and he was like oh thank you and i don't think he realized that i was like ten yeah i was like did you watch the tick you know no but if i had imagined tv i would go back and watch the tick the tick is fantastic and the live action the anime series is great as well but the live action series was so ahead of its time i remember when that show came on and he's great on that i believe it he's really funny and that show it it just come out sort of after 9/11 and everyone was in a weird mindset and it was a weird show yeah it was goofy and i think that if that aired on you know in air was airing on fox right aired on cartoon network or i fc or something in the last couple years it would still be going on be huge yep i think you're right so i i don't know if i would have gone my suddenly seriously what would you have gotten like i this night this was a tough night so i i definitely had issues of this night i was sort of checking out of television at this time but i would have narrowed it down to either hey Arnold which was a little bit of an Arnold i love that show it was one of the second wave nick tunes but was a great great one it's still a great show it is really good i usually will watch the thanksgiving and christmas and halloween episodes around that time and enjoy it or fx was showing reruns of the x-files yep x-files was a show too whereas a genre fan i knew that that was a show i should like um i was too young i was too young there's a lot going on it's intense show it is so dense and and also i started too late you know like that's one of those things where things are marinating for for a while and and you just have to kind of be enthralled in the mythology yeah those serialized shows if you jump in on season three or four you feel just like i overall yeah yeah absolutely but i did i did attempt to watch the x-files it's a good show i mean it it's worth re-watching but as i say this i have the whole box that sitting in my office at home and i haven't even opened it for years but you ever watch millennium it was sort of a spin-off of x-files and it only went for three seasons with lance entrance in and he was uh sort of this guy that hunted serial killers but could it was sort of psychic and there was this plot doomsday plot it was really cool show and that was chris carter and it's only three seasons and it's easier to jump into x-files it's sort of a good transition to the x-files i can see that so eight thirty what'd you go with what do i have at eight thirty you know i think i suck at this i skipped to nine but also i noticed that at eight p.m wait until dark was on very weird so it was right yeah that's weird and it was on amc yes which now they're like you know the godfather chronicles allan arcan is terrifying that movie let me tell you something um i have never been one of those gals who's like i had an adri happern like i was a judy garland person you know or whatever um as i've gotten older and i have watched adri happern's films hot damn she's so good yeah same with grace kelly like grace kelly gets pitched as this like iconic fragile beauty right that's she's a good actress she was a great actress and in rear window yeah she is funny and sassy and a doer i mean it's like these these women get remembered in this really fragile i think on exactly yeah it's photographs not film and it's so not who they were on screen right um and so i i love wait until dark it's actually one of my favorite plays i've ever read if you were seen it perform i did recently i saw it at the geffen um with a alison pill okay and um and they had changed the time period so they set it in the forties oh weird yeah it was weird um the execution and that was the first and only time i've ever seen it on stage and i was disappointed it wasn't a bad production but the guy you wanted the guy who plays rote has to be he just has to be yeah and i don't want to say has to be alan arcan right but he has to um inhabit and portray all of those qualities right and it would be difficult too because alan arcan is so that part when you think of it so if you were playing it'd be hard not to try not to do yeah and the other thing about that's interesting too is like you know we think of alan arcan now at least i do um because of my generation or my age as little as sunshine arago he was mostly a comedy actor and that's yeah still even you know then he was he was a second city guy he started at second city yes and so it's weird that he was in this horror fair as the terrifying part of the harbor and he's just vicious and menacing and brutal yeah and um it's great so anyway i didn't notice that that was on but what would you have picked at 830 at 830 i would have gone with chris rock shell and hpo oh hell yeah okay magic tv i agree yeah so we had brank obelon and i didn't have um hbo so you didn't have the patreon no it's right and i don't know why that was it was kind of expensive you know you had a black box that's why i had hbo see i remember the black box that's the weird thing i just don't know why we didn't have those channels well you probably had a legitimate black box yeah that's yeah we had a black box my dad got from a guy at war oh i love it so we could get all the channels i love it uh nine o'clock would you go with the buffet so buffet was a show that i tried to watch the first two seasons i actually loved the movie yeah me too i still love the movie it's a great movie i just fun fact sorry interrupt oh no i just told rucker hauer i didn't have an event with him two weeks ago and everybody was like fawning over him like the hitcher and blade runner and i was like excuse me but mr hauer i just want to tell you that um buffet the vampire slayers wanted to be scrutinized and he smiled like everybody when they were talking to him about about blade runner about whatever he was just like uh huh oh yeah oh yeah and so they clear like the these people clear and i kind of yelled it across the room and i was like mr hauer i'm just telling you you'll always be loathose from buffing me smile ear to ear really i was like i was just like that that movie changed my life yeah change my life i saw that in the theater alone uh when i was 12 and uh very much enjoyed it i watched it a lot alone at home so this was one of the review over and over and over oh my god i mean i started taking karate for god's sake that's not a bad that's not a bad thing to do uh to be influenced by a movie to take self-defense lesson yeah it's not a bad thing it's so right up my alley but anyway the show yes so the show i started watching because i really like the movie and i just couldn't get that into it and i kind of checked out like midway through the first season and never went back and i again there's another box that i have the whole series and i'm like i need to watch this at some point and haven't done it you know here would be my recommendation because i think we talked about a little earlier on just now like when we were recording but um you know the high school stuff first of all you have to consider like well i mean i'm sure you you know and i know you know but if you take into kims if one takes into consideration the idea that this is on a teen network right this is a new network too that was just just started just starting out it's very teen focused nobody knows who joss weeden is the movie did not do well although i will i will say in my nerdiness i did know joss weeden from rosanne yeah well yes and i i guess perhaps part of the reason i was slightly disappointed well that's the thing i i suppose i should have i should amend my previous name because i'm sure television executives knew him from rosanne too um but uh the genre show yeah he was an unproven yes that's what i'm trying to say and the movie again didn't it was a bomb it was a bomb so the first three seasons of buffie and i know that there are two camps of people out there there are people who think that buffie only was great when she was in high school right and then they they sign off like it gets weird and whatever right then there are people who are with it through the end and um for me i picked up again season the four i guess then there are people who like charmed and i was never one of those people um but so i would advise anybody who's looking actually i just did a segment on this three episodes to turn you into a buffet yep and um they hush is number one i have seen hush it's fantastic um the body which i won't tell you anymore about and once more of feeling which is the musical episode to me those three episodes really uh encompass what the show ultimately is right at its best that's yes and um i think when buffie goes to college once they're out of high school right they hit the restart button they got a little soapy it seemed like there was a little more i think they got more like the things we know Joss Whedon for right he's not afraid to kill characters right he's not afraid to say this is what life is like he's not afraid to hold up a mirror to to stuff right um that to me is what we get from buffie four through seven right and not this is an allegory for high school right do you know what i mean right yeah yeah i mean that that's the the high school horror stuff is always about you know high school is awful exactly and it's sort of just exaggerating it to a horrific standpoint to make it seem more realistic and for me buffie and we're not there in 1997 but um but for me the show overall is is um one of the most beautiful um comments on really on life in general um and uh because because the things that these characters endure and go through um socially due to you know due to um their families their friends the demons the outside world it's all it's very very deep and tragic right and um and so but you don't you see glimpses of that in one through three right and then they really go all out later so i would i would actually advise you to just pick up in season four right and uh go back because we know who angel is even if you don't need to establish stuff and i did watch angel but back to the tick i watched angel because ben edlin was a writer for angel that's that's the kind of nerd damage i have where i would follow right television writers as a teenager it's good oh ben edlin's right for that show check it out although he did write point pleasant which was not great oh i remember the name of that but i don't remember point pleasant was uh was some decent ideas and then it was a huge failure and then he actually just reused the ideas when he wrote on supernatural oh there you go there you go there you go so i would have gone with sibyl oh sibyl i love sibyl's a really funny show yeah it was a great sitcom i always watch sibyl not not the most popular show for a teenage boy to watch but i would have gone with sibyl and then at nine thirty i would have gone with the naked truth which was a great show i remember that show who was in that show yeah yeah yeah she's so funny this episode Ian McShane is in it as a guest star and this is Nora's ex-husband lilyland whose Ian McShane is remaring and invites her to the wedding but upon meeting the bride Nora Swear she's seen that face before they worked for a weekly world news type uh newspaper that was the plot of that show and it was a really fun kind of weird show that was very funny and no one seems to be into these days yeah i don't i remember that show but i got so funny Taylor yoni never quite did it for me i remember her being on television a lot she was they pushed her as like the it girl for a number of years and i always thought she was funny i mean she has a really good comedy flair and we did a lot of physical comedy stuff but i think once she got married to David DeConan she kind of just disappeared she tried to push her as a movie star and it didn't work and then she kind of just went away yep yep yep i think you're right Tuesday night okay Tuesday night also had a lot of movies on yes Tuesday night this is how crazy television has changed it's just so funny to me like tv movies just regular movies robo cop adam's family band values and multiplicity yes and the return of swamp things i did see that i just put it away yes but robo cop they give three stars i agree with that there's also a really weird crime drama on with james belushi called traces of red about a vampire serial killer what uh that is a crime drama lipstick smeared letters from a serial killer tant a homicide detective loreen brockos in it they give that one star yeah there is a ton of movies this night and uh some good stuff some awful stuff but some really just a weird interesting mix of movies from all different eras did you pick one in particular um if as clark clark at 11 year old clark would have watched adam's family values which is great i watched those movies again on repeat yeah it was funny um so i this is a horrible story um but uh but um so i loved those movies and my favorite i had the board game there was adam's family board game they came out out of the movie and it was like i don't know it was whatever it wasn't for kids it was it was you know in the vein of the movies right right and um so there was a member of my in my immediate family that was going through some some tough times okay behaviorally and my parents took my movies and my board game away because they thought it was too violent so they thought you were going to go down that path if you know they just didn't want it in the house as a result of all of that and so years late and i was so mad yeah i was just like i've done nothing wrong here like what are you talking about and also i mean like i clearly was in the horror i was clearly into the genre stuff and there's like my favorite thing and they took it away and um so years later i told that story like randomly to a girlfriend of mine and she found it on ebay and she ordered the game and she gave it to me but what she didn't know when we opened it both vhs tapes are in there nice nice i have now i have yeah total bonus so i would have watched adam's family that that's uh i think that's a great thing i loved the original adam's family show i remember being surprised by the trailer for the first adam's family movie because they made it look like a hell raiser movie at first uh i i that's a great movie i however what i've gone with soul man i remember soul man i was danny i was a priest and this episode has john goodman as a guest star and i loved it i guarantee you i watched that episode i know i watched that this is mike's old air force buddies john goodman pays a visit and gives everyone a shock with his slovenly ways and devil may care at it oh devil may care at a studio on tv shows and devil may well you know that night tuesday night was all about home improvement for me so yeah i mean i imagine you're preparing all day exactly you're best to get in front of the screen i was in her and makeup so that's what you did at nine o'clock was home improvement yep i had a 30 i'd never heard of the show but there's a show starring any pots and tim curry yeah i saw that i remember that show i remember that show i don't know why i knew who tim curry was well legend that must have been it legend and i probably knew what rocky horror was because it would come on vh1 do you remember yes they would show vh1 that was so freaking weird that they did that because they would blur everything out and you're just like why is this even why i bothered yeah just this is way more work for you to blur and that was a movie that wasn't on vhs for like 20 years and in 1995 was the first time it came out on home video after being this midnight movie and they made a huge deal of it wow you know what's funny about rocky horror too is that i love the first 30 minutes of rocky horror i do not like the rest of that movie yeah i'm a fan of the paradise guy if i had to watch a movie in that sort of genre yeah fan of the paradise is wearing i watched fan of the paradise once in college because it was an assignment actually that's a good college i would have liked to have gone to that yeah i was weird i think we were doing um it was it was it was a weird like compare and contrast thing like but anyway um fan of the paradise was you know it's coming out on blu-ray yes i have i have the pre-order i have it pre-ordered and i also have the european blu-ray nice from our video you're ahead of the game i love i love it but yeah i do remember um you know it also um up at treasure island i'm sure oh it's him curry wasn't that that's right great in that yeah um but i knew who tim curry was and uh oh and oh worst which wait a minute no forget worst switch it oh yes oh my god now this but unrecognizable yeah but i i figured that shit out because did you watch that when it aired or did you rent that i had a babysitter show it to me oh that's horrific that ruined me my mom was so mad all of a sudden i'm scared to take a shower like what's going on that that that tv movie was real it still is it's very terrifying it scared me i was to watch around was five or six yeah and um so that's how i knew because i i because again like you're a consumer you know you like recognize the names yes um but i remember that show i did you watch it i think i watched the first episode so this one says the delightful tim curry and he pots there on the sick you really is about a flamboyant which we know is tv guy called for gay actor who comes to work for his ex-wife the manager of a struggling man had in the hotel i it was a premiere wasn't it the premiere this is the premiere i did watch that i wow i'd like to check it out it's on son it kind of interesting to me now it's ridiculous home improvement it's not the season premiere yet this is a repeat from last season sure you didn't care how dare you how dare you do it does feature a deloise of the dom deloises and this is a blow up between harry blake clark who's a great stand of comic and his son dennis who's the deloies keys jill and tim into a bigger question of sensitivity and discipline with the boys i don't remember that episode it doesn't sound like that exciting of an episode no and i probably don't remember dom deloies on that show it was david deloises yeah i would i would have watched home improvement if dom delo's a thing i tim curry uh not tim curry tim allen i would have watched home improvement of tim curry started oh my hell yeah that would be great same exact show same one just tim curry instead of tim allen oh my god that would be amazing uh but i just couldn't i didn't like tim allen and even though the show took place outside detroit and had this like weirdly nascarry oh yeah detroit really yeah it just couldn't you know what their neighborhood looks like my neighborhood and i grew up in the suburbs of alpha red so there's that's why i kind of identified with it the show that was the most when i think of where i grew up and how i grew up and what it looked like and felt like physically is my so-called life like those neighborhoods that's what where i grew up looked and felt like that was another show that i knew what it was but it was before my ticket i imagine i was the exact age for that show so it's perfect it was 14 she was 14 it was the same thing i would even want faulty towers which is in pbs and is always good like faulty towers nine thirty i picked i love loosey do you enjoy that show do you stay do you stay everyone though so many people just watch it all the time over and over again i have you ever read her biography i know it's pretty awesome i mean she she didn't even do i love loosey so she was almost 40 yeah she she's fascinating it's a really interesting book but i couldn't get into it i i recognize it as a good show but i always loved dialogue jokes and so i like stuff like sergeant billko and silver isn't comfortable for any the physical stuff i just couldn't i couldn't get into i liked it but i couldn't get i think for me i recognize early on because i i have a stage background okay um i've been doing theater since i was like five like since i can remember to enjoy the performance i mean i know yes like that was like because there's there's also very much and as a comedian i'm sure you can relate to this the idea of getting a laugh right and so much of you know when i'm doing when i was doing comedy especially as a kid right if you go big yeah you know you're gonna get a reaction you're gonna get a laugh yeah and so for me watching a woman also you know do this do her thing right and and seeing how the crowd reacted and seeing and it was very theatrical oh absolutely it was essentially a play that you were watching that as all tv was then right and it was just through a camera at a play yes which is when you get people who are like i don't understand this laugh track but it's it's they don't know the history of the live right performance background and some of those are taped in front of a live lights and it's real laughs but uh out of context it's weird now yeah totally but i that show that show still works for me however i do know a lot of people in comedy that i really do respect that um that i've talked to about i love Lucy and there and they they're not it's not their thing it's not a writer sitcom no definitely not and i think that the the prevalent preference has swung more towards that for sure and i think also you know like she yeah that's that's a show to showcase her yeah you know um and uh but she's i just think she's so um she's so funny to me she's so funny and it's not even like i'm into prat you know what it was it was you always when you watch lucyle ball you can see the wheels turning yeah and that's or when you watch um what god lucy Ricardo the character you see lucy Ricardo's wheels turning and you see her planning and it yeah so there was more to me in that character than just um than just you know her putting on a mustache or shoving candy in her mouth exactly but it's also to me it's still very very funny to see her in these costumes or and you go how do you get into this like really i am i guess the the perfect audience for that it seems like it knocked it out of the part with you i think i love lucy it really did and i still um do you ever see any of her follow-up series they're awful yeah i think they're atrocious and she i was terrified of her really but like when she was in color when she was in color yes the color lucyle ball was terrifying but also she was always on tv and she was just always just this like real tough broad and you seem like you like uh like one of your grandparents friends that really you get stuck talking as a kid just like really creep you out like uh my son never sees like just until i had this whole she terrified you know what's funny is i'm kind of the opposite so if that old broad i i love that old bro like i want to sit with that old broad and like listen to her talk oh sure she has amazing stories as lucy but you know but but her follow-up shows and when she went all that went into color were awful um you know what i just realized and because i i was thinking about it like what to me because i i got into like the um carol bernettes and things like that because that's just more silly yeah i never liked carol bernette really yeah i have no one ever agrees with me on it like it like as a performer the show i just didn't i couldn't get into the show the show is um you know i think if you're watching the clip reel the highlight reel that's the best way to watch the carol bernette show it really is the the moments the best moments are the best moments for a reason and it was a different kind of television yeah time it's not the sketch comedy i gravitate towards right it was very uh for lack of a better x-mo it's sort of mainstream yeah yes yeah i wasn't doing anything interesting no it's and it's it's not but but there are moments where you know like for instance i love it on saturday live when the characters break so you got really bothered oh i love it i'm the opposite yeah because i i like because as a especially like having been on stage you know my goal when i'm doing comedy in a in a play yeah um you know you always want to make oh yeah like they did it so you have like yeah it's like it's almost like someone scoring a goal exactly because especially when it's you right who makes your makes the other actor break you're like ha ha i got i got it you know it is so i like that but um i was thinking about with lucie um elaine benness right and to me elaine benness is in a in the same wheelhouse because elaine was so big oh yeah and and so one of the guys and um and so not afraid to yell and get in trouble right she also would have these schemes i mean people trying to make life easier for themselves and actually making it worse and that that sort of model of a character motivation yes so that to me the two of them lucie or carter when elaine benness are like kind of they're they're you know ancestors yeah i mean i think that makes sense much more so than like other strong female characters on television in the in the six and sevens of meritailor more or who's clearly murphy brown yes yeah they're similar guys i do like murphy brown uh so we're on wednesday night yes um well okay so this one was weird too oh god i had a lot of shows well okay you had difficulty choosing i did because first of all i noticed that this week on in tv guide dragon heart was on all of the time yeah dragon i loved that movie as a kid you're really into dragon heart i i we just love fantasy i don't know it makes sense it's a disquade well who doesn't like to have a dreamscape uh i never got to do that we couldn't get a dreamscape no too terrifying maybe maybe i need to watch it now you might like it um and also never in the story was on yeah i mean so really what this is really tipping all the fantasy boxes for you this evening that the running story was my jam did you ever that sequels are you know the second one is so weird yeah it's not good but i feel like if it had a different script it's a beautiful mess yes like if you look at it all the creatures are cool and it's like dark and the lady is weird yeah but the movie is atrocious it seems like a foreign movie yes someone translated without knowing the language that the movie was originally and you know i have the neverending story the novel um which i have gotten a third of the way through but what's funny is like the book if i'm not mistaken when the book ends or when the first movie as it plays out in the book ends there's like way more you know what i mean oh yeah no i remember reading that at the time it was very very different so i wonder if any of that made it into you it was an HBO animated series i never watched that i never watched it was on back to back with their wizard vase series which was also not so weird did you ever watch fairy tale theater i loved it showy devol's fairy tale so i don't know i found that on vhs it's amazing i found that in a movie store yeah um an individual episode yeah like i did not watch that live because we didn't have HBO but also i think it was on show time oh show time yeah and it wasn't it on in the 80s it was it started in the very early 80s so it was on before i was born yeah it was on in the very early 80s on show time but they aired it for a number of years and she had a 90 early 80s early 90s version called tall tales that was a similar thing yes which was never wasn't quite as good but fairy tale theater and then they released the videos to video stories and it was one of the things first aimed at kids yeah these all-star cast some terrifying episodes of that have you ever seen the one the boy who went in search to find yeah of the shivers of christopher lee yes uh that one's i have the whole box set on dvd they're great they're so great i just lent a girlfriend of mine the timbert and aladdin episode yes yeah i remember being so beautiful he also directed a version of cinderella for the disney channel around that time a live action cinderella which is not out anywhere yeah but it's interesting that's cool well my favorite episode was always the the sleeping beauty yes because christopher lee no tarry garris princess in the piece yes it was um Bernadette peters yes yes it was uh um oh my gosh i can see her she Beverly d'Angelo and carol cane and christopher and to me like i liked it because it was superman obviously um but i also just loved that episode i've always loved sleeping beauty because it scares me oh yeah i mean the original disney movie is horrifying maleficent was really my first brush with yeah with terror well you've probably i'm sure you've probably read this before but there's uh some great sort of examinations of horror in italy and horror movies were banned in Italy and the only movies they got that were anywhere close to horror were sleeping beauty and snow white oh that's so interesting and so when you look at the first horror movies that sort of came out in italy and the maria bava stuff and then some sorts of things the non-gala movies they're very heavily influenced by sleeping beauty makes very nice and snow light because those were the closest thing they had to uh harm well and that's sleeping beauty disney cartoon because you know for me snow white never scared me there's some scenes but not as much as sleeping well i don't know if it's because maybe i was never like afraid of my mom in that way like the metaphor i don't but also snow white has this sort of comic relief of the seventh war yes it definitely doesn't have as much of a dark heart it scared me the idea that someone was just coming after me like maleficent was just like the idea that maleficent could just be in your house right yeah and she doesn't look that dissimilar to darkness from legend exactly yeah they look like they would be a real power couple and she just like maleficent was not effing around but anyway um so okay never new story that's really cool but an ada or no i don't have an ada yes i do the nanny and spin city we're on i love spin city i liked it's a great show it's one of the best 90s second michael jfox two he's so fun everyone was funny on it it was such a well-written show it had a great ensemble cast it cast members from rocky heart yes uh and it was a great show yeah i never gonna do the nanny but i definitely might pick would have been spin city i watched the nanny on rerun if that you know it's like all i like friend restaurant for some reason that show which is very off-point i chose with very rich people i had a real problem sure that's fair i don't know why i was just like i don't care about working to the life yeah because why would you even if they were well written care i'm like i just don't care who cares i don't blame me for that uh 830 would you go so 830 at murphy brown and darmon greg we're on yes so murphy brown this is the final season of murphy brown and this one was a very special episode called the operation and in this one uh murphy finally comes to terms with her cancer but not until she goes under the knife they gave murphy breast cancer and it was a big deal that she was having this breast cancer surgery which no one had ever really when an awesome show dealt with on television although angelia made a tv movie about her life dealing with it before a couple years before but this was like a huge beloved character show it was doing it my mom loved that show murphy brown and i think my mom really identified with that character because my mom was you know she grew up in the south um but her dad died early and she was kind of determined to have money but not in like i'm gonna marry into it no she was gonna yeah she was just she was gonna make it right you know my mom was gonna be a really motivated and um and so she learned sales and she because she was a physical therapist and she was like i'm not making it i can't afford anything so she even though she was rather introverted she learned how to talk to people and she learned how to do all of that and um was very successful and well traveled and educated and i think my mom really identified with these women who were shattering glass ceilings because my mom you know you're in the sales game in the eighties in the south in the medical industry pretty difficult i mean but my mom's first name is Patterson okay and um so she would get these meetings because they thought she was a man well you both are you named after um i have a family name yeah yeah so it's like um and also in the south a lot of times women have last names for first names like family names for first names they like maiden names yeah correct yeah so my my real name is Clark that's my first name and um but my mom learned really fast at having this like ambiguous got her in the door got her in the door and um so i think Murphy Brown and even later oh no not later during that time Hillary Clinton in the White House yeah like these were things that were very much happening in my home yeah you know and we were sure that you were aware of how great these were i mean you don't know that's what's amazing my mom would never be like let me tell you about what's going on sit down and watch this but it was on and it was like through watching her similar with my dad yes and like watching my dad watch Seinfeld right you know like i i learned something right and watching my mom watch Murphy Brown even though we'd never talk about it later i could put the piece now i've put the pieces together i think people don't give television enough credit for that sort of thing i think that people blame it and say that you know kids grew up watching a lot of tv they're dumber they're not learning these things but there are lessons and points of view and sort of social capital yeah that you could earn earn and learn with your parents just by watching these things with them yes that they would not be able to easily or at all teach you or convey on their own right i mean it's true i i think that that representation visibility is a huge thing about television you know like i get into this with people all the time about about social change and about social media and facebook and like i'm not changing oh i'm glad changing my profile picture to the equal sign is going to mean something but it's like you don't seem to understand my take on it and it goes it's exactly the thing with television is visibility is everything well there's a cumulative effect yes also i think people people it's easy for them to write things off with an all or nothing approach so they say well yeah like that's going to change anything and it's kind of like the if it helps one person if it if it gets to one thing or changes one small thing that's better than you were going to have before so what's the what's why wouldn't you well yeah i'm in the case of murphy brown too you know that famous example of like you know shaming her for being an unwed mother right and it's like well guess what i'm not out there out there and then don't shove them down and well it was like uh by doing this we're saying it's okay which is still a conversation we hear now by saying you have a gay character that's telling people it's all right and it's like yeah it is that's how the world is exactly we're representing people that exist in not in a way that's exploitive exactly hey this is the show with the single mom it's it's more like this is what happens in the world so this is a character and also murphy you know i think the thing at the end of the day you know murphy makes the choice yes to be that single mom yeah and you know you'd think now people would go like it's like the juno thing oh it's a pro choice thing and yes we're gonna celebrate and all that but then it's like how dare you yeah which is funny because they probably would never problem if a man made the choice for someone to be a single mom you're gonna be a single mom i'm just i'm leaving oh my god yeah so anyway but um but the breast cancer i mean that show was just a um that show is a really important show and Candace Bergen is insanely talented she's always great and just all the different eras of her career great she's in the movie starting over with Brett Reynolds and is really funny in that if you haven't seen her highly recommended but just even all the certain lives yeah and her father was a famous ventriloquist you know and she and she became this great actress with so many different phases and was a ballsy broad at this age but uh not terrifying like Lucy but yeah i love this show i absolutely would have watched this there's no question it was such a great show nine o'clock or nine o'clock i don't have anything for nine i guess i'm switching back to dragon art fair enough i would have gone with Drew Carey although i would oh i watched the great show always funny show i would have secretly snuck back and forth up between party of five which i i shamedly watched a bit it was never into that show i i think i just had i think for Jennifer love Hewitt so i was you know there was some channel surfing thursday night eight o'clock would you go with okay so this is where um this is where the tv guide told us that there was a reader alert right dune sports yeah due to sports but um i mean i would have oh and i also want to mention that rope yes yes there's a lot of hitchcock this week i just like love it i just love it and dragon Slater was on or dragon heart was on again yes um as an overlord was on i love over god that's where and you know that is where i watched that movie for the first time was tnt yeah and i watched that one a million tnt that was so tnt always showed overboard and tbs always showed beast master yeah they are every channel seem to have their movie they got like an unlimited plaque package but over board it's just fun i can watch them movie oh i don't really it's such a great movie but anyway i would be lying if i said i wasn't watching friends i really disliked friends really i could knock it into friends i don't know why it just where were we in 1997 so 1997 you mean socially no yeah what was happening tell me in friends in 1997 let me see what the plot of this friends episode is we have doo doo doo doo doo doo it's a little weird yeah it was oh that's right it's not even there it's not there it comes in sports we have living single the black friends oh my god living single i love living single i never watched it but i remember it was on in the afternoon yes they did do a lot of reruns of living single that were enjoyable but i let's see i like living single didn't like friends it was very weird well um you know here's what my take on friends and i i really truly mean this uh because also you know really kind of it's very ridiculous it was a ridiculous show at first it was very much big comedy it's very silly it's so silly but um i i love i think that that show is a great sitcom for about three and a half seasons yeah um and then once like they ran out of couplings yeah it seems to just it's like how many more different combinations here are we doing it's just that that was very off putting to me it was you know but i was thinking i was thinking about it this morning actually about that scene did i guess if you've never watched it but you might not remember it but there was a there was an episode where Monica was dating Tom Selleck's character yes and he's a very mother's friend yeah his dad's friend and uh Richard and um there was an episode where Ross and Rachel were having you know we're spending the night together because they were dating and Monica and Richard were spending the night together in the same apartment i do remember that and the condom they have one condom and it's Ross and he remembers him as being his dad's friend yeah yeah that kind of happens too yep i do remember that and i we have seen more friends yeah but there is it but the the scene where the girls are going into the back they're in the bathroom right and they're because it's like you know they need to they need to get the condom and um and they're like oh and so you know Richard and blah blah yeah homie too and they open the box and there's one right and they have to bargain like they're like okay i will do you know what is it and we always think about it i was like that is such a real moment yeah i mean that scene would never appear in a show i know uh maybe seven years before that it was a big deal when the Hogan feeling mentioned the condom and the golden girls mentioned the condom see that's one thing is they never say the word condom yeah you just see the box and the wrapper and you know but like i i thought about that's the reason that i think people liked that show yeah i mean there were some real roommate moments in that yeah captured and that's probably truly one of them but it gets to a point where and also some of it was so silly like so ridiculous the monkey and it just got what yeah yeah but there are like you know there are moments that i will still watch those old episodes and it's not nostalgia it just makes me laugh yeah um where i laugh my ass up but then it's like i think it was when Monica and Chandler got together it's very soapy i was over it yeah i was over it yeah i watched the first couple seasons because i was big on nbc or musty tv nights and a lot of times and as a lot of people would do then you just keep it on that channel so you watch the show but it never really connected with me for whatever reason there are a couple things on that i would watch we're approaching halloween so yes they're starting to amp up the the horror movies okay which is great and we have Stephen king's cat's eye right i remember that which is fantastic and has uh one of my favorite adaptions in short story of his with the ledge which is terrifying we have dogs from 1977 which just came out on bluray actually as well okay it is a movie about uh canines attack livestock and humans it says but it's literally all the dogs in american on earth go nuts and start killing everybody and it's an incredibly silly movie it's very funny but not intentionally at all and they've hired all these dogs to like be menacing but they're like bearded collies and english sheep dogs and not like you know humans are always yeah and the dogs are running smiling with their their tails wagging people like oh what are we gonna do so that was on and i probably would have been very intrigued to watch dogs at that night but i sure i don't remember called nothing sacred okay which i assume is about a priest which we really had a lot of shows about priests is a halloween special so this is as the parish prepares for halloween which isn't the thing i knew they did the devil's holiday don't you know father ray is troubled that his former girlfriend is planning the festivities meanwhile sister Maureen attempts to help a prisoner who's turned against god wait if he's a father why does he have a girlfriend that's a former girlfriend so maybe he before he became a priest yeah i don't understand i'm not even catholic and i got that yeah i only know that's bad yeah all right but it seemed interesting i'm like what would a halloween special on this show about priest be like is there any names that we know and down donna murphy wendy gazelle there's no actors that i recognize on the show but it's on uh abc so i don't know if it lasted very long but uh eight thirty what'd you get what would you well that night was um i guess suddenly susan would have been on yeah so um yeah and then nine o'clock two nine fell nine fell so nine fell there's a show that i i loved i watched at the time i think it's still funny but i think seems really dated oh i when i watch it now i'm like yeah 90s you know what uh here's why i don't uh that show is i mean this because i am jewish that show is so jewish believe it or not you're not the first person who said that's i mean and so i listen to them talk and i'm just like it's like i could be yeah it really really is and um i don't care what the exploit is or what the what the thing is just listen to them talk is like listening to family right okay that's interesting so maybe that is the tv family that's most like your family you know what is an adult for sure yeah it's so the yeah those are definitely the people that i surround myself like i have uh i mean i'm kind of grew up atheist with in that it just was never mentioned sure so we really have a a religious background or any sort of cultural identification either because my family are like just truly american months we weren't sure uh so there are a lot of people have those sorts of reactions to certain shows they're like this is like my family i don't have that for any show yeah and uh i feel like i'm missing out a little bit well you'll find one you'll find your to find it i feel bad for america though that should probably be terrifying no that show would be good yeah you know what i just on zinefo that there's an episode um i think it's actually the couch episode but there's so much more going on it's the episode about um elaine uh dating the the mover and she won't need a poppies restaurant yes she finds out poppies not no because she finds out poppies not pro choice oh that one yes yes yes yes the answer to the dominoes right right right that was going on at the time and then i will never for and patan oswellts in that episode yes yes as a video store clerk and um and i'll never forget jerry being like she's her dating the mover huh and she's like yeah i'm here goes whoa whoa is he pro choice and she goes well i think so and he goes oh really why she goes because he's so cute and i just it's nice justification that yeah i just love that's what i love about i do love that about zinefelt is aside from like identifying what the character is just on a very cultural basis the idea the metaphor the allegory for whatever was going on in the world like right it's extremely well done i mean that might be also part of the reason that it was so timely right that that's part of the reason it seems so dated yeah and when i watch a show like news radio yeah or spin city even though that's about politics uh you know you can't necessarily tell that they are in the 90s oh so that's funny i feel like news radio does feel nice to me maybe i mean the technology sort of different radio stations are different now so that might be it um but the the interact the character interactions and i really like mad about you which is a show that no one ever cites as loving really uh no one and whenever i bring it up people like oh i thought people don't like paul riser i discovered you know what i i think okay so i um it's kind of like my second phase of you know in high school if everybody wanted to talk to me about about their horror movie things um now people really know about me that i love the wtf podcast like i listen to it so i all the time because i just i love comedy i'm such a student of comedy and i i admire comedians which i know it sounds weird um but i i just have this appreciation and i will tell you what the one of the biggest surprises i've ever had listening that podcast was the paul riser it's a great episode it's so good yeah well the origin story stuff that are in that podcast are good and the the thing that i have found about comedians when i was in a band for like a rock band for one as a teenager and we got to play with some decent sized bands and it was it was cool but uh some of them are real assholes yeah and and when you're in music and you do well you can cut yourself off from the world yeah we can practice in a warehouse and not have to talk to him but comedy i mean aside from certain types of people being drawn to it to begin with you always have to go back down to the bottom constantly to work on the material so it's very humbling so a lot of those guys are very very down to earth and it's surprising when you hear that from them especially someone like say paul riser who you know from aliens and a diner and these huge movies and having two tv series and all these things but at his core he's just a comic right he has that sort of yeah you know i go down and work on my stuff and whatever kind of thing and it's it's unusual well then you know he has more money than god yeah so i think that it's visible again it's a well it's a different kind of visibility but like paul riser doesn't need to hustle for the next thing yeah and so what i mean is it's more under the radar right like he could theoretically you know be a stand-up comedian for the rest of his life yeah and those guys who are wealthy and made their made their money and they just want to sit calm they um are able to just do stand-up met when they do it yeah i respect them because they're just doing because they love it yeah yeah i agree yeah but that's so weird to me that people don't cite that because i think that was one of the biggest shows ever it was but i think kids definitely didn't watch it no i didn't yeah and but kids watch friends and kids watch Seinfeld yeah and i think you know it's it's not a high concept show it's just this couple without kids that live in an apartment in New York and i think that's the thing is that you know with Seinfeld they were all unmarried they were just people so it was like friends 10 years later right you know what i mean and so as a kid you can identify with your friends yeah even when you're 10 yeah age doesn't even own the fact or end of Seinfeld like they even have friends they would they would have episodes about like i'm turning 30 or whatever and and there would be uh um more age conflict right but in in Seinfeld you don't know how old those people are and they never address it they're just they could be age you know it could be a cartoon about children in the same scripts exactly the same yeah so in that respect there's sort of a character timelessness right but you know i still like it but for some reason when i watched it i'm just like 1994 here we go that's fair so i would have watched it as well as my is the short answer so that takes us to 10 o'clock yes uh or 9 30 or 10 o'clock oh what'd you get for 9 30 third rock third rock that show that i never liked oh wow you know what again it's big it really is so stupid and i love jean curtain and and she i loved kate and alley it was one of my favorite shows and she was reoccurring on third rock and and i i think i one of the things i didn't like was i was like i don't like how they're using jean curtain they're using her in a very silly way for some reason that bother she's a straight person to use lip gals pretty good yeah uh i will mention that you did pass up at 9 40 on the disney channel labyrinth oh yes i did see that and of course but you know what labyrinth is just playing in my head at all times well since measure dance that's always the tv guide sadly only gives it two stars you know what yeah tv guide yeah we're gonna move on so eight o'clock friday night the final night of the week yep what do you go um okay so tv guide for some reason has family matters and sabrina listed at the same time yes so that is because there were multiple affiliates in the new england heiress this is a boston edition tv guide and they made weird deals where they could mess with the order of the shows okay and so the new hampshire affiliate used to air sabrina at eight instead of nine when i think it aired uh normally yeah family matters at at nine o'clock because family matters was at eight i remember my house yeah it definitely was for the most part yeah i was definitely watching that like friday night friday night was pizza night which well it should be it's good news for me today you know what you know it's funny too is like the older i get the more i realize that pizza night is code for shabbat um you know i mean it's like funny because like we didn't like we never like candles we never but like you know the whole point is that you spend time with your family you stay in like you you know it's a family night right maybe i'm jewish and you didn't know it um and then saturday night my mom and dad would go out every saturday night okay like every saturday night like date date night party this whatever right they were going out friday night not so much that's yeah and you know family time we we would order pizza we would eat pizza i i specifically remember my dad still and we can talk about we get to eight thirty but my dad always talks about boy meets world he enjoyed boring meets world yes he loved it that's interesting oh my god he loved that show um because we would watch when i was a baby like when i was little and i do remember watching it as a four or five year old was the wonder years yes wonder years is great i mean they would watch it but my dad every friday would watch we watch boy meets world until they went to college when it became a friend's ripoff which is terrible yeah two dad just loves the savage family he loves a baby's savage family fan's savage guy which i believe they call their fans the savages well he's a savage he's a member of the savage nation he is a member of the savage nation for sure but anyway at eight o'clock so family manners and sabrina were both listed but i would have watched both of those family manners this was when it was fall on the erkel show it was at its most ridiculous and this episode erkel's new total recall machine malfunctions leaving him with an uncanny ability to read minds what and carl gets roped into serving as the leader of the boy's junior woodsman's troupe oh my god that is as silly as silly as silly gets gosh it was not to like about that show it's just such a perfect little kids show yeah oh it got as a lot of the shows go on they got baby er and baby er and then sabrina which is a show about a teenage witch yes weirdly has a much more realistic plot than family manners do shay that's a great observation wondering what makes guys tick sabrina turns herself into a boy and befriends harvey's social circle but the hoax turns hurtful when harvey reveals an interest in valerie now i could see that working without magic as the movie just one of the guys did she could impose as a boy rental style dude without a total recall machine i need to watch that episode now i'm going through some things in my life where i feel like i could really turn into a boy use to get a boy so maybe take up black magic yeah watch that episode dude if i could be a witch i would totally be you know if you've ever been to salem mess no uh you'd like i think i'd like it too it's fun around october i love witches yeah i've always been in the witches well laurie kavitt is the official witch of the salem and she has a witch store there and we would go there all the time when i grew up cuz salem was about maybe 20 minutes more i grew up okay and uh you go in there and this was in the 80s before wicking you know that's where we got a little more mainstream they would sell like witch potions and she was on in search of and unsolved mysteries they would ask her like to consult on things and it was very very weird to be in hindsight realizing that most people didn't grow up with a witch city like a half hour with a whole economy of the city is built around witch trials i wish i grew up there it was very strange and i kind of took it for granted growing up but they i mean they have a 10 foot tall statue of uh of from bewitched of oh my gosh samantha stevens yeah in the middle of town square and it's very weird but then you go and it's all touristy and they have these stones that were used to crush people and they've made them they've put them on gallows hill and they've put quotes from the people that they said before they died oh my gosh so there's these stones that crushed you know jiles corn and it says like may god have mercy on your souls oh my god and then it's all like you can buy a crazy witch hat i have to go there i have to go there very weird i love it i love that that's so that's as close as you could get to being surrounded by deal sign me up yes uh so i would have probably gone with serena normally i i really love that show but what humanoids from the deep inside i saw that that was on and my friend was just telling me about it but i've never seen it it's roger corman movie is very violent and gross it's it's about giant mutant killer salmon essentially they only give it one star and they say familiar creatures from the branny depths flick doug mccler that's all so dismissive tv guys they're not into it now eight thirty what'd you go with uh boy meets world so this is boy meets world and kind of that's such a great show so you passed up me go which was a terrible tv show you do not know what that is this starred bronson pincho as an alien who could grant wishes and live with a family why do i not know that it's really bad so this one trip gets her his comeuppance from me go after he scares alex on halloween and maggie michelle trackton burgers in this show speaking of buffet hopes to meet her secret admirer at a halloween party not a great show yeah it doesn't sound but boy meets world that night after attending a college class and engaging in a winning debate with a professor and empowered shawn neglects high school tasks in favor of collegiate ones and gets suspended meanwhile eric forms his own fraternity i think eric forming his own fraternity sounds familiar yes will will fredal was an iris big fan of will for well he was also well he was dating jennifer love you it yes he was i think i disliked him for that but he was on a nicholotian show called don't just sit there that i enjoyed all the time it was like a kids magazine interview show oh and he was on that before before one meets world i remember linda lrb's kids and what was it called it was like news for kids or something was on every morning like five thirty i liked that show that was very good that was a cool show much of a war yeah nine o'clock what would you go in okay nine o'clock i have a question actually because as we know my tjf lineup is is not it's a little wacky yeah but i saw the show listed there called you wish yes what is that so you wish so sebrena was such a hit for tjf that they started doing more sort of mystical shows which is why you got me go they also did a show called um about a witch called free spirit i did where this uh this single dad hires a living housekeeper who is a witch and um alison hannigan was on it oh my gosh speaking of wuffy you had you wish was part of this as well and it was about people kids who had a genie and in this episode genie the genie was actually named genie medals and jillian's love life or lack thereof rather by conjuring up an amorous suitor when she gets wise to her escorts identity she makes genie sweat it was uh terrible i i read that synopsis and i was like i do not remember this yeah at all it didn't last that long they also did aliens in the family around this time which was about a guy who married an alien woman and half his kids are aliens and half weren't there was a show called teen angel that is all that's next yes teen angel well let's show we move on to teen angel so teen angel was essentially a rip-off of the movie the heavenly kid uh which was about a 50s greaser who comes back from the dead to help a kid get laid they sort of removed that piece of it and made teen angel and this is marty's doing such a good job drafting historical figures to help steve and prove his life that he's reassigned to sami noa a hell raising rock star so this is basically they send this guy back to help teenagers i i that show i did not like that show but i watched it yeah i watched it too just as like a what is like a car crash yeah it was not good um i remember not enjoying it but i do i did watch i'd be lying if i said i can't imagine there's anyone out there that is an adult who's like oh teen angel is probably my favorite and also i just have to point out that two characters are uh listed here as being in the episode kleopatra and abelinkin yeah okay maybe that was the the master episode that i needed to watch yeah just abelinkin played by gary bullock an actor i've never heard of two of my favorite historical figures um i also have at 9 30 though like what i really would have watched is step by step so step by step was a show that was sort of the death of tjf for me yeah it was just so sleazy so it went on too long it went on too long it was always a couple years behind uh-huh in the humor like they were doing people having to be with some butt heads impressions in like 1998 and and just like the serp i hated cody so much oh i like oh you're such an idiot just so many about him was just so although a girl in middle school told me i reminded her of him once so that might be why i got really angry amazing yeah and i just patrick duffy i i don't know something about it and summers i only stacey keenan was the only one i like on that show yep she seemed better than that yeah yeah i mean it's a like weird brady bunch yeah like trashy brady but yeah it was like brady bunch filtered through married with children that's exactly what i was just about to say yeah yeah i could totally see that and that's weird too that i like that show well it's not weird that i like that i mean like a prime demographic i mean yeah it was a sitcom and it was it was it was tjf and it was whatever so it was enjoyable but i mean like in terms of the family relationship like nothing yeah and the parents were always making like gross innuendos yeah like they always wanted to bow yeah and it was always like just too much of it just and there weren't even the kind that were so veiled like some shows would do that yeah but as a kid you normally would notice these ones were so on the nose obviously it would literally be like let's go bow like it would be like that and like the kids would be like ooh yeah oh no this is not what i want it was very very awkward so awful well clark as you know tv guide this the end of the week and tv guide is not just informative yeah it cheers in its years it has opinions oh boy so i'd like to read you the cheers and jeers from this week and see if you agree or disagree okay i will say this is a very jeer heavy week it's unusually jeer heavy so first we start with a jeer to going overboard cbs's nest bridges introduced its newest cast member kelly hue former mistine usa that is my editorialism okay okay in a storyline that had nash and joe trailing her as a suspect around the city of san francisco for what was her crime wait a minute let's see jeer within a jeer oh a jeer within a jeer this is actually this is never happy this has never happened before where i've encountered a jeer within a jeer jeer within a jeer by the way to their surveillance technique it would take a pre-dim criminal not to notice the lemony al barracuda convertible on their tail anyway the partners watch as hue strolls into a parking garage puts out an immense set of keys and breaks into a sports utility vehicle cash and don tap on the window just as he was popping the ignition to boost the car hue exasperatedly identifies herself as a police woman working undercover to crack a car theft ring are we to believe there are police departments even in california that encourage their officers to flagrantly commit felonies merely to legitimize their cover stories wow tv guide is not having this show what an old man's style rent like that is rooting yes and another thing i feel like to wait up to disagree with that jeer just to spite the tv guide oh that's hilarious who is the writer do we know they never attribute it so tv guide is completely anonymous they never attribute the listings that the movie star reviews you know two stars one step it's just tv guide the the old man that gave the labyrinth one or two stars definitely same guy same guy a jeer within a jeer it's this is a big deal a big deal uh so we have jeers to leading us on at one point during coverage of the nfl game between the philadelphia eagles and the minnesota minnesota vikings all three tnt announcers took turns raving about the decimating block that eagles running back ricky waters had delivered on the proceeding running play and then it gets into some sort of sports my new trying to understand i don't know what that even means i don't even understand anything i love the angry nerds like sports nerd excuse me exactly yeah this is amazing like these are really angry i just imagine the guy watching this game and go he's leading me on oh my gosh wow yeah i'm indifferent on that one wow amazing our only cheer this week okay to hitting all cylinders we love the intelligent mix of quips and clips that espn sport center this is when kakil born was on it uh where else could you learn as we did recently that kenny main was updated on karts results that race car is a palindrome doesn't everyone know that race car is a palindrome i think it has i don't know so they're cheering sport center for teaching them that race car is a palindrome who wrote okay this is one of the worst cheers and jeers but also is the one that gave us jeer than a jeer so we can't write it off just yet okay finally jeers to preaching to the committed we were surprised to see a commercial for the u.s postal service during the live season opener of nbc's er we don't understand why the post office has to advertise at all oh my gosh time machine well this is like this guy's weird stand-up rant and we can't believe they're budgeting so lavishly a 30 second spot on e-star on er cost $560,000 pretty pricey real estate suggestion to the postmaster general why don't you advertise on those basement dwelling upn sitcoms and knock a nickel or so off the price of a stamp oh my gosh a girl this is the bitchiest choosiest i've ever read we need to frame this this is astounding this one i love it yeah oh my god this is rather bit did bruce volanche right this sounds volanche oh my god oh my god yeah this one i don't even think we are in a position to comment on it oh because we'll give jeers yeah we're gonna get like anonymous twitter jeers and they're gonna be like jeers to tv guidance counselor pot it would be fun to just tweet at people with jeers no follow up no follow up or just hashtag jeers cheers or hashtag cheers yes and you just have to know what that means yes and the people who know oh my god well i cheer this week's cheers and jeers yes i've flipped on this one i i'm cheering the whole thing as well i'm in complete agreement this is ultimate shenanigans absolutely i kind of love it it's pretty great wow well thank you so much for doing the show thank you for having me this was so fun and there you go that was clark wolf that was a really fun conversation we got in some interesting stuff about horror i can talk about horror all day long you can follow her on twitter go to our facebook page go to the nerdist all the links to 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