TV Guidance Counselor
TV Guidance Counselor Episode 36: Michelle Biloon
- Wait, you have a TV? - No. - I just like to read the TV guide. Read the TV guide, you don't need a TV guide. ♪ Double Ladies and Man it ♪ ♪ Double Ladies and Man it ♪ ♪ Double Ladies and Man it ♪ ♪ Ah ♪ (rock music) - Hello and welcome, it's Wednesday, which means it's time for an all new episode of TV guidance counselor. My guest this week is the very funny comedian Michelle Balloon. Michelle was up here doing some shows. She's based out of Philadelphia now. She was in LA for a long time. She had a great podcast, which you can still find online called Walking with Michelle that she sadly no longer does new episodes of, I believe. But it's very, very good. I always loved that show and again, get another inspiration for me doing this podcast. So you can thank her or blame her if depending on your opinion of this show. But Michelle was up here doing some shows and I was lucky enough to grab some of her time and we had a really interesting conversation and I think you will enjoy it very much. Also don't forget, October 5th, live TV guidance counselor in New York. That is the state of New York in Brooklyn at the Brooklyn Brewery for only $10. You can see a live TV guidance counselor with me and my guest Amy Sedaris. So definitely come to that please. So sit back and listen to this week's episode with my guest Michelle Balloon. ♪ Got the big, big, got the big ♪ ♪ Little right ♪ ♪ Got the big, got the big, big, got the big ♪ - Shub-boo, hello. - Hi, Ken. - Thank you for doing show. - Yeah, I've got a little bit of a cold. - That's all right. That happens to everyone when they come up to Boston. I think they're just-- - Well, it was free Boston. I'm bringing it to Boston. - Oh, nice. My gift to you, Boston. - Thank you. Yes, leave a little bit of yourself behind that. - Oh, yeah. - You don't like to take only pictures, leave only footprints. - Uh-huh, leave only. - It's take only pictures, leave only-- - Balls of mucus. - Yes, balls of mucus. - And in disease, that's what they say. - Yeah, no problems. - A lot of medical institutions. So you picked a TV guide from the week of March 12th, 1988. What drew you to this particular issue? - Well, that was when I was pretty glued to the TV. You know, as a child, I was 12, 13. - Right, the age where you don't want to hang out with your parents, but you're too young to go anywhere. - You're excited, you know, and you have to be glued 'cause there's no DVR, you know, you know, pause. Yeah, you've got to sit there, and there's not a lot on, so it's when this good stuff is on. - And that's also the shared experience. Like, that's the only thing you have to talk to people your age about it, 'cause it can't be like, "What do you want to do with your life? How's work?" - No, it's like, how was Cosby showed? - Yeah, did you see what happened on there? - Yeah. - Yeah, absolutely. And so the first night, there's, I will say, looking at this myself, there's some tough choices this night for me. - It was not tough, 'cause I put an exclamation point by the APM show. - Okay, would you go? - Facts of life. - I love facts of life, especially this year. - 100%. - Especially this year. - This is the final season, too. - Oh, it is, so it is, you know what I have to say. I don't know if it's the final seasons. Is my favorite parts of facts of life? - The over our heads years? - Yeah, when they have the shop, right? - The story, yeah, that's my favorite as well, yeah. - It's over our heads, but is that what it was called? - Yeah, so it was first Edna's Edibles. - Okay, yeah. - So this is Garrett's bake shop, and then it burned down, and then George Clooney joined the cast to help them rebuild it, and they opened that store that was like a Spencer gifts without the Dildos. - Yeah, that's what I remember. - Yeah. - Yeah, George Clooney, I mean, I loved him from facts of life. - It doesn't. - Yeah, loved him from Remember Him, thought he was awesome from then on. And, but yeah, it was, love Jo. - Was she your favorite Facts of Life girl? - I think she was my favorite. - She liked the tough sassy gal. - I liked the tough sassy gal, she was great. And let's see if I can, it's Joe, Tooty, Blair, and Mindy Combe, just kidding. - Mindy Combe, that's her name on the show. - Natalie. - Natalie. - Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I remember, I was just thinking, remember the episode where she had like a word, she bought a word processor off of us. - Yes, it got, it definitely got wackier. And the final season is interesting, because the show-- - She's a journalist. - She was a journalist. - It's all coming back to me. - The show had been on for 11 years at that time. - Oh my God. - And they tried to do more backdoor pilots that year, and just an effort to save that show than I've ever seen. So they did one where they tried to do a spin-off with Mindy Combe, where she moved to New York and lived in a lot of-- - Oh, I remember that. - With David Spade. - Oh, wow. - And Richard Greco. - Wow, no, I don't agree. - And they tried to spin that off, it didn't work. They tried to make a new sort of a facts life and next generation where Blair bought East Lake, and some of the students were Seth Green and oh my God, I'm forgetting her name now. - She's in New York. - Seth Green, I remember, no, you do that, Lewis. - Do it, Lewis, yes. - I remember, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, it was Langley in the beginning, that's it. - Langley College. - Langley College, okay. - Langley College, but Eastland School for Girls. It was the school they went to, yeah. And Peek Skill, New York. - And you know, this is like a dumb thing, so I do crossword, like New York Times, crossword videos every day, and Charlotte Ray is very often-- - She comes up often, she's a three-letter. Yeah, I bet she's like, thank God, I had a three-letter. - I know, I always get excited because everyone's probably like, a comic I know is like, you know, an answer, and it's so exciting, and I'll email them, like, you made it, like this. - Do they, how do they, are they like, great? - I think it's cool. You know what I mean, like David Tell once was one of-- - That's pretty cool. - Yeah, I mean, that's great. That's awesome to be. - That's a good aspiration to have, like someday I hope to be a crossword. - Oh my gosh, that would be amazing if you were in the New York Times crossword puzzle. - Yeah, I think you should use that as a credit. People should like you to see your poster. - Oh, I would 100%, I would 100% use it as a credit. - You should push over tonight, New York Times crossword. - And I'm gonna totally tell you, this is never gonna happen to me, and if it did, that would be, that would be-- - That might, don't sell yourself short. - Being on Letterman would be like number one thing that could happen, but I'm gonna now say that next to being on Letterman, the number two thing, amazing thing that might not ever happen to me is, and I say Letterman only because he's gone for like another year. - Right, you have another year. - And it's beginning your time. - What if you're on New York based dreams? - Right, what if you're on Letterman in the New York Times crossword puzzle? Clue is Letterman comedian. - I would just-- - I would just overdose. - Yeah. - It'd be the first time and last time I ever did heroin. - Done, yeah, right. That's it, guys, we'd be going out on the talk. - Yeah, no, I would, I would be like, what, what, that was literally it. I was like, okay, give it up. - That's it, there's nothing else you can do. - I don't need anything else, yeah. - So speaking of needing nothing else, on The Facts of Life Tonight, the episode is Joe's job at the Social Services Center gets a bit hairy when her supervisor, a suicide prevention counselor, threatens to leap off a building. - Oh, I don't remember this episode. - This one, I remember. - Okay. - So that was another attempt. - I know, I saw it. - Yeah, there was another attempt to spin off where they had Joe working at this, like, center for, for troubled TV. - I'm picturing her, though, like in her hair. - Yeah, oh yeah, Paul Provenza was her boss. - Her rolled up. Paul Provenza was her boss. - Yes. - That's so great. I didn't realize it. Now he hangs out a lot, like I see him. Well, because he, Paul Provenza does, isn't that? - Oh, he does green room. - Yeah, he does green room, he's in LA, you know. - He was on a ton of NBC shows at the time. He had, like, three or four shows. He had a show called Pursuit of Happiness that started in the fall of 1987. It got canceled after a few episodes, so then they slotted him into Facts of Life as Joe's boss, and he ended up dating Blair on the show. - Oh, wow. - Very, very strange. - I'm so much more interested in him now next time I see him. I'll be like, oh, we'll talk about him. - He also replaced Rob Morrow on Northern Exposure. - Really? - Yep. When Rob Morrow got fired for really wanting-- - He really, and I'm not saying he's not famous now, but he really, obviously kind of female. - He was huge, someone, there were certain people, and George Clooney was one of these people as well. - George Clooney's famous now. - He's very certain people are famous, and George Clooney's a good example. Now that in the '80s, there must have been executives at these networks that love these people 'cause they were constantly putting them in everything. And George Clooney was maybe 10 sitcoms before Facts of Life. They just kept putting him in stuff until something stuck. John Stamos was another person like that. You know, I think those are the three people people think of. It's John Stamos, George Clooney, and Paul Provence. - Yeah. - That's always the Trinity. - And they're all, you know, and that's funny. I don't think of Paul as very good looking, but when I think of him in that trio, I think, oh, he is kind of-- - He kind of works. - It's got that thing. - Yeah. - Yeah. - With the smart ass, smart ass. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I got it. - And also this plot came up a lot in sitcoms where you had to talk someone off a limb. - Yes. - All the time. I've never had that situation on either side. I've never been on a ledge or been to have a talk off someone. - That is so funny, and this is a tangent, but yesterday, a friend is house sitting for me in Philly, her cat sitting really, and she locked herself out of my balcony. - Ooh. - And she was stuck out there for three hours, so she didn't have to get talked down from the ledge, but she needed help off of the ledge. - Did people think she was-- - It was doing-- - It ended up having to call a locksmith. - Okay. - Just short of a fire department, but what happened was, is locksmith came, tried to break into the house at the same time a contractor from the next door, saw what was happening. - Called the cops. - And he didn't call the cops. But he decided to take the matter to his own hands, and he jumped from one balcony to her balcony, which is not easy, tried to break into the house for her, jumped back, he couldn't. And then he ended up being the one to break into the house. - That's troubling. - And the locksmith was like, my friend said her pride was very-- I mean, the locksmith's pride was very hurt. - Some builder did it for him. - We had to pay him for-- He-- we had to pay him, but-- - Right, you had to pay him for his pride. Did you pay anything to the builder? - I know, I said we should have given him 65. - Five dollars, too, because he, like, really saved the day. - But also, it makes me a little bit scared of contractors. - He could break into our house, he did, he broke it. - I thought where you were gonna go with that was that the contractor thought they were trying to rob the place and took the lock into his own hands and was like, no way, not on my watch. - That's why he thought he saw the lock, the guy tried to pick the lock, and then he went out and saw Brandon, and he's like, hey, someone's trying to break in. She goes, oh, he's actually trying to save him. - Yeah, yeah, he's working with him. - 'Cause I'm stuck out here, it's three hours, it's 90 degrees outside. - Three hours. - And I was on the ocean, on a boat. - Yeah, so you couldn't get the call. - And I get this text, and I'm like, oh, shit. - Yeah, that is a problem. - It was exciting, it was an exciting thing. But so we had to, like, there's only two people that have our, 'cause I just moved, there's only two people that have my keys, neither of them can make it. And yeah, it was like this scramble. I didn't have to call the fire department, that was like the one thing, I was like-- - It didn't make the news. - No, yeah. - That terrifies me, I won't go out on balconies and unfamiliar places for that very reason. - It happened, yeah. - But it's never gonna happen again, 'cause we're putting a key out there, if anybody wants to rob our house in Philly. - Yes. - And also a ladder. - Yeah, key in a ladder, and a hammer. - Yeah, just in case to cover all the bases. I, we were talking about this before, but I went as a teenager, I was in a band, and it used to tour around, and we were at a tomb, this other band, and they didn't get along very well. And we were staying at this hotel, and one of the guys was like, can you go out to the van and get my T-shirts and my Star Wars figures? And the other guy in the room was like, "Dude, it's buried under everything, I'm not getting them." And then he's like, "I can't sleep without my T-shirts and my Star Wars figures." - What? - Yeah, so I left to go get some food, and when I come back, the guy who needed the T-shirts and the Star Wars figures is locked out on the balcony of the hotel with his T-shirts and his Star Wars figures and a pillow, and the guy made him sleep on the balcony. - Oh my God, that's so, how old is he? Was he like-- - 20? (laughs) - Yeah. - That's still a kid, though. Now that you're over 30, you're like, that's still a kid. - Yeah, it still is. - You know, it's special in today's day and age. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's still two of that. It's still a child. You can imagine that sort of still hanging on. - Absolutely. So I probably would have gone with Facts of Life as I was a die-hard fan of the show this time. However, there was a short-lived show on called Dolly, which was Dolly Parton's one-hour variety show. - Oh, really? - Which was amazing. And only lasted about 13 episodes. It was very, very strange. It had a sick one. - I love Dolly Parton. - I love her. - I mean, yeah. - She's the best, yeah. - I mean, it was a combination of variety show and in the middle was an actual sitcom, a dramatic sitcom in the middle of the show. - Wow. - Very, very weird. Miss Piggy co-hosted an episode. - Oh, wow. - In this particular episode, Dolly and Rich Little become a dueling and personator team. Tyne Daley adds a touch of down-home feminism to Dixie's place. - She has such a weird face. - She really does. She really does. As Dixie agrees, it's hard to be soft for a working woman and Randy Travis sings, "I told you so." Also, "No Carter duets with Dolly." - Wow. - Very malleved there. - Yeah, "No Carter." What's her horror show? - Give me a break. - Give me a break, yeah, I like that show, yeah. - "No Carter" was a crazy person on that show, it was very abusive. - The Lawrence brothers were on that show. - They were. - As homeless children, like they were on four-ish of different shows. - She was abusive. I just had the biggest crushes. The crush on Joey. The little ones are too young for me, but I just-- - She's the ball haircut. - I just, well, I liked him and Blossom. I mean, I just thought he was, he was like one of my, I was in college and my friend used to make fun of me. It was like, sort of at that point, it was just kind of an ironic crush that she used to like cut out pictures of Joey Lawrence. - Did you buy the Cacingle for "Nothing My Love" can't do for you, baby? - I did not buy the Cacingle, but I secretly was like, "Ah, Joey Lawrence." - I was like, "That would Hilary Duff's music career." - Right? Okay, yeah. - We all have one of those. - I know, it's, you can't help but you're just like, oh, he's a handsome fella. - He managed to pull off the jacket, no shirt look. - He did. - He pulled it off. - I'm so glad that you, that you can see that, yeah. I'm comfortable enough to recognize that. - Did you like Blossom? - I do like Blossom. It was a smart show. - Yeah, it was, yeah. - It didn't get enough credit, I think, for being an interesting smart show. - Yeah, it was a good show. - Yeah, it got written off a lot as just like a teenager girl show, but it was, there was a weird thing about me where for whatever reason, my whole life, I definitely identified way more with teenage girls growing. And I watched all the teenage girl shows and just was like, "Yep, that's how I feel." Not in a gender way, I just didn't like an emotional touchdown way. So like my soul called life, Blossom. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Facts alive, all those shows were, that was. - I never got into my soul called life, but mostly because we didn't have cable. - Oh, so you missed it the first time around and then the constant MCU reruns. - Yeah, 'cause I lived in the middle of nowhere. - So you grew up in Wisconsin, right? - Yeah, and we're all Wisconsin. - Nothing is set in Wisconsin. - Nothing is what? - Nothing is set, I was just like, I thought you were just saying like, nothing is set, like, you're supposed to be-- - You can't set Jell-O there. - Yeah, I was like, what does that mean? - It's constant flux. - Yeah, is that true? - I can't think of anything. - I can't think of anything. - Wisconsin. You know what's so funny is that, so the town I grew up in is Grandsburg, Wisconsin, and it's in Northwestern, it's in Burnett County, actually takes up a large part of Northwestern Wisconsin, but it's a very rural, most of it's a wildlife preserve. And it's my friend, Jim Hamilton, who's also a comedian. - Oh, yeah, thank you. - Funny, and known him forever, went to call us together in Wisconsin. And so he actually works for a DVD subtitling place, and so he's always, you know, movies and TV and stuff. And there's a couple episodes an arc of supernatural that were set in Grandsburg, Wisconsin. - Oh, weird, I love supernatural. - Yeah, and so set in Grandsburg, Wisconsin, and he's like, and he texted me, he's like, this is so crazy. - I wonder what the monster was. - And I looked it up, and it was like, sure enough, and I was kind of reading, I'm like, yeah, I think they might have actually, like, it sounded actually like they actually not just used the name. - Someone was from there. - I don't even know, that sounds unlikely, but because I would have known, but that it just seemed like they kind of got the idea of the town correct. - I was like, supernatural does show a lot of the Midwest of America, and that doesn't get shown on shows very well. - I had never seen that show, and up until like a couple months ago, I was in a hotel or something, and I turned on the TV, and then the show was on, and it seemed very interesting, and I didn't really know what was going on, but it was like these two guys, they didn't know why they were somewhere. - Yeah, two hunky brothers. - But they had lost their memory. - Okay. - And it was this episode where they lost their memory, and they didn't know what they were, and it was a really good episode, and I looked it up. - Where's the IT guy? - Yeah, and I described it, you know, 'cause like the internet is the best, and I'm like, oh, it's supernatural, and it's this episode, and it was really good, yeah. - It's a fun show, the comedy episodes of that show are very good as well, but the guy who wrote most of the comedy episodes is again in Ben Edlund. - Do they actually do, like, is it comedy, like the whole thing is funny, or? - Yeah, they'll have episodes that are completely funny. - Oh, really? - Like comedy episodes, much like Buffy used to do, or any of those sort of shows, and Ben Edlund is from Massachusetts, he's from Brockton, actually, and he created The Tick. If you remember The Tick by James. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my husband really likes The Tick by the way, really. - Yeah, very funny guy, and the episodes of Supernatural that he wrote are hilarious. - Oh, awesome, yeah. - Really, really good, interesting show, and he always puts in a ton of Massachusetts references. It always shows, like, very obscure ones. - Oh. - So, aside from the Supernatural episode, nothing is really set in that area, so it must have been very strange watching this stuff when you were growing up. - Well, here's the thing, you couldn't identify with anything here? - Let me also, let me also throw some in. I actually grew up in Orange County, California. - Oh, super cool. - When I was 11. So I actually was in, this is '88. - Yeah. - I had actually, we moved there in '87. - Okay. - I was a year into rural Wisconsin at that time. - That's even worse than you know what it's like out there. - Yeah, so it was a little different, yeah, so it was, yeah. - So did you watch stuff set in California just pining? - It was, it was weird, you know, my mom's from up there, so we had spent a lot of time up there my whole life, but it's kind of different when you move, so. - You know you can leave. - Yeah, so yeah, so it was more like, I know what this is, this isn't just TV. - Right, right, were you waiting just to get out of Wisconsin the whole time? - You know, I kind of, that didn't happen until I got older and it wasn't like I said it in a way, like that's sort of like, you know, cliche, like I want to get out. - Get out of here. - But I did think, like, you know, I did kind of have an idea that I don't need to be here and I could go wherever I want. And so I went to school university Wisconsin, which is a very big college in Madison, Wisconsin. And that was like my stepping stone, you know, and when I graduated from there, you know, after I got drunk for a year, I moved to Austin, Texas, and that's where I started doing stand up. - Right. - And so yeah, so it was, but I don't regret my time in Wisconsin at all. I'm just glad I moved, you know. - I bet a lot of people never leave. - They never leave, I mean, my sisters didn't. - Yeah. - You know, it's so funny. - They're younger than you? - They're, oh, I have a twin and an older sister. And they moved to the Twin Cities, which is what lots of people do if they're gonna move to a bigger city. - If you're a twin, you have to move to the Twin Cities. - Do you have to move to the Twin Cities? - That's what they do. - Yeah. - But so they, my older sister lives in a suburb, and my twin lives in Minneapolis. And so that's, to me, that's still staying, you know. - Right. - But it's still funny 'cause they still identify, like, for me, I don't like brag, like, I'm from Orange County, 'cause I lived in, like it just seems like that's gross. But you're from Orange County, that's not, I'd rather say I'm from Wisconsin. - Right. - It seems better. - It's a little more character though. - Yeah, it is. But what they say, you know, like, I grew up in California, like, it's a big thing, you know. And I'm just like, oh. - Tell us about the orange juice. - I miss. (laughing) - Tell us about the 7-Elevens and the chain store in the history of Baltimore, yeah. - Oh, sprawl, let's hear it. - Yeah. - Is it a identical twin or a fraternal? - Fraternal twin. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Did you ever watch a show called Double Trouble about the twins? - Yes, yeah. - Did you... - And I don't, I only am saying yes, because I instantly know I did, but I don't really recall it. - Did you, how did you feel about depictions of twins and television stuff where you're like, oh shit. - Well, here's the thing. My sister and I never really got along. - Right. - And so it wasn't like I sort of like pined for like, we used pined twice and you said pined. - Pined, just double pined. - And it doubled fine. And like twin pined. - Yes, twin pined. - Isn't that right? And then Lone Pine. - Yes, yeah. - And then, but I, yeah, so I, and actually there's a Back to Future reference and it's on Sunday night on my line up. - Excellent. - And, but no, yeah, so I don't remember ever looking, sometimes I even forget like I'm watching the twin. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm a twin. - Yeah, okay. - That's me. - So it's not a huge part of your identity. - No, you know, I mean, it's different. It's like having a sister your own age, I think, and a sister you don't get along with. We were never in the same class as going up 'cause we would fight. - Next. - It was harder to do when we were in the smaller school. - Would you guys get in physical fights? - Yes. - Oh, nice, nice. - Yeah, yeah. So very physical. You know, I think that's one of the reasons why I'm totally fine with having one child. - Right. - You know, everyone's like, oh they need to have a sibling. I'm like, yeah, guess what? Not everyone loves their siblings. - Yeah, no, I agree. It's like, no, she doesn't need how to take a punch. - Yeah, exactly. - He doesn't need to like that. So at 8.30, what are you going with? - 227. - That's really the, that's really good. - Wait. - Jackie Hair is so funny on that show. I love 227. - Yeah, and you don't have to say, like, I don't feel like, when you say facts of life, I'm like, facts of life, exclamation point. Like, I'm not so strong about 227, but like, I do, like, no, there's no way, like, now, and that's like a now me now. I would want to watch it and just sit and watch 227. And 227 is such a great number. Like, I remember, like, occasionally, I think at least one that I can remember. I had a hotel room with the number was 227. - Yeah. - And like, how great that was, you know? - Oh yeah, you're like, yes, we were in, my wife and I were in New York and we walked by a building that was 227. - Yeah, really. - I had to take a picture. - Yeah, yeah. - Nothing to do with the show. It's just a number. - Yeah, it's just a number. - 227. - It's a great show, and in this episode, in a raffle, Mary and Rose win a butler. (laughing) - Which I've never heard happen to anybody. - Yeah, yeah. - And they win a butler to wait on them hand and foot, but high living costs them an arm and a leg. - Oh. - A tough lesson to learn for all of us when we have a butler that we won an raffle. - No, Mary is pretty practical, right? So I can't imagine if I-- - Mary was kind of a psycho. - Oh, she wasn't. - Most of the show was Mary being unreasonable. Well, most of the show was how William's Mary's husband trying to eat his dinner and Mary interrupting it. - That was most of the show. - You and I remember how William's from, he was on a dating game once. - Yes. - Do you remember that? - I do. I love the dating game. - We both know like very random references. - There was a lot of people on the dating. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, Andy Kaufman. - Oh yeah, I do that, yeah. A lot of people on that show. Yeah, how William's doing? Good date. Had some funny guy. Nice mustache. - Yeah, nice fly top. - Yeah, so I definitely would have watched that, but I do want to mention there was a very short-lived Fox show on it this time. So this was sort of the first year of Fox. They were really trying anything that would work. This show is one of the worst, slash best worst shows I've ever seen. It's called Women in Prison. - Do not know, remember. - It is a, but I mean, when you say that, it's like yes. - It's a three camera. - It's the one, it's the first orange is the new black. - It's the first orange is the new black about Women in Prison. And this one, friends pitch in to help Eve prepare for a reunion with her on the lamb husband thought to be in the area for their 30th anniversary. - It's a touching moment with Women in Prison. - Wow, what a dumb name to Women in Prison. Like sort of like, that's like the name they like put on as a working title and then they just sort of like, it just passes by all the sort of like approval and it just ends up being the name. - It's almost like, and this would probably be a funny parody video. It's almost like Fox when it started was the store brand of sitcoms. - Yeah, yeah. - So all their shows were like, were just like generic brands. - Generic and like, you know, all their logos were like sort of like two-tone, like just white with black letters. - If you've been to Arizona, like all of the, like, Arizona, and this must be a lot of like the Southwest, but like, I feel like my, my, my, I've been, my parents were retired, my grandparents were retired in Arizona. So I go to Arizona a lot. And they, all like the strip mall stores, like all the stores are all, even like a McDonald's or something, it's all like this tan, you know, like Southwest, like as you kind of color, like a very certain beauty. - Yeah. - And it's all that, and it's like, oh God, I get it. - Everything is the same. Yeah, this is like women in prison are like cop show. - Yeah, they're cop shows, that's it. - So it would have been tempted by that. Nine of them. - Clack women in an apartment. - Yes, yeah. - Sassy black women. - Yeah. - What are you going with at nine? - Oh, can you even like, what? I mean like- - I mean, I know what it is. - Yeah, Golden Girl. - Yeah, absolutely. - And that is unironically still on, I mean, it's not like like, oh God, I watch Golden Girls play. Like if it's just on, I need to like, just watching something in a hotel room. It's funny. - It's always gonna deliver. - It's a funny show. But you know what, like I was just, it's amazing how young, like when you look, they just did this thing on like one of those like, stupid viral websites, but like where they were showing clickbait, not that's not the website, but that's what it is. But where they're basically like, this is how old this person was, and then they show a celebrity from right now. Because everyone looks so much younger. - Yeah. - Due to makeup and, you know, and plastic surgery and duress and air cut. You know, people don't want to appear old. - They don't wanna be a bitty. - But Room at Clannahan was only in our early 50s, when she started that show. - Yeah, it's like 51. - Yeah, and I can't remember who they compared her with, but it was someone else that you looked up. - Sharon Stone. - Yes, or even younger, no, Sharon Stone, I think. - Too old. - Yeah, too old. I mean, she's like, yeah, she's. - She's probably pushing 60, 10 or more. - Yeah. - You know, Courtney Cox is doing 50. - That's true, that's true. Yeah, so it's a very different world that we live in now, for not a different way. - It's different. ♪ Where you come from ♪ - Golden, yeah, if you did Golden Girls now, they would probably have to be in like their 80s or something. - Oh, yeah, yeah, and did you know, because a friend of mine was really, really loves Golden Girls, Liam Mendels, a very funny person, and he had the box set of it. And you know, the pilot episode of Golden Girls, it's different, like all the characters look different, and there's a house boy. - Yeah, yeah. - If it was his name, his name is like something funny. - Oh, yeah, I can't remember what the name is either. But it's funny that they recognized they didn't need that. - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause it's great. And one of my favorite things about Golden Girls was seeing Betty White on that show as a completely different character than she played on sitcoms forever, before that. She was always kind of the sex pot in shows, which most people would never ever. - And you know what, and I have to say that her character on that show, 'cause she talked about her little town in Minnesota, was very identifiable because you know, the thing is, is that like, so Fargo is a good example today. Like, that is all very sort of that part of the country. So that is something you can kind of like hang on to. - Do you feel like it's sort of a sense of warm comfort? - It is because it sounds like my aunt, my mother, and my grandma, you know, and even my sisters kind of have, even though they probably not want to admit it, they kind of have a very sort of, oh, don't you know, oh yeah, oh, oh yeah, oh my gosh. - Yeah, I always thought it's sort of weirdly comforting when I don't hear Boston accents, which is not a comforting accent. - No, no, no, no, no, yeah. - And you know, now my daughter's growing up in Philly, and she's, you know, almost two. I'm like, he's gonna get a little Philly accent. - Order, yeah, order, yeah. - Go to the world where, yeah, I, speaking of facts of life, the actor that played Joe's dad, Alex Rocco, is-- - Oh yeah, Alex Rocco. - Total Boston Scumbag was actually in one of the mobs here in Boston, moved to LA to get out of the mob, but he, television was constantly hiring Boston people to play like Brooklyn people, 'cause most people don't know the difference in this accent, but I always found him really comforting on that show. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, he's Alex Rocco, he's like us, which was very, very, very nice for me at the time. So "Golan Girls," always a great show. This episode, Rose tries to instill some life in the love of her life, a retiree who's content to sit on his death. Meanwhile, a garage remodeling project is going nowhere. - No. - Not really selling me on that one. - I haven't heard a lot about the garage. I, they should remodel the Lamy. - Yes, yes, they never show the garage very well. - Yeah, they don't, yeah. I also want to mention that this is a main edition TV guide and up against "Golan Girls," we have "High School Basketball," the main "Class A Boys" take check-in shots. - Oh, I didn't pick that one, I thought. - No, no. So "9/30" we're going with. - You know, this is where I'm going with more like adult me. - Okay. - James Taylor, you're going to start with the only man. - Are you a huge Taylor fan? - None of, I like him. He's a pleasant song singer. - Yeah, I guess. - I saw him once in Milwaukee at the summer fest. We took a bus there and watched it when I was, you know, I was like 20 or something. But yeah, no, there's nothing else on that I was interested in seeing. - James Taylor, "Unlikely Heronatic." - Yeah, you know, a lot of people don't know that. - But his songs are, you know, they're pleasant sing-along songs. - But they're pretty melancholy. - Yeah, you know, but why not? - Like "Fire and Rain" probably people had as they're like wedding song and it's about like shooting their own. - No, yeah, I think. Look, those people are dumbing. - That's true. So this is him performing at Boston's Colonial Theater, which was just down the road from where we are today. - I probably would not have watched James Taylor at this time. There were two shows. I probably would have flipped between. You know, "Amen" was on. - See, I, yeah, that's why. So I saw that and that is right in my era. And I don't remember being interested in that show, you know, even though I did like "The Jefferson's." But like, that's why I was just like, "Mm-mm." I think I watched it. - I didn't like it. For some reason I was very adverse to religious shows and I definitely wasn't doing it for me. Also, "Mr. President" was on Fox, which was a terrible show with George C. Scott playing the president sitcom. - Yeah, don't really remember. - Yeah. I probably would have gone with Carol Liefer's comedy special once and once. - You know what? You're right. I mean, I did see that and I was like, "Oh, that might be kind of interesting to see." But at the same time, I don't know, maybe I would have flipped back and forth. - Yeah, I think that's fair. That's fair. James Taylor and Carol Liefer. - James Taylor. - What a combo. So yeah, that was a tough call. I do want to mention at 10 o'clock, one of my favorite shows of all time also set in Boston Spencer for hire was on. - Oh! - I definitely would have watched Spencer. - Yeah, I didn't even see that. No, I love Spencer for hire Robert Ulrich. - Yes, yes. - Yeah. - Amazing show. - Yeah, no, I like that show. - Love that show. And this one, it says, "Violence over shadows, Susan's personal triumph." - Huh? - We've all been there. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, absolutely. Sunday night, what are you going with at eight o'clock? - No brainer. No brainer, actually love fantastic show. So funny. Family ties. - Family ties holds up really funny show. - It's a great show. It's not like a cheesy dumb, too. I mean, okay, we love 227, but it is kind of like a sort of ironic wacky. But family ties was legitimately funny. And, you know, sometimes corny, but really like it was a good show. - Yeah, absolutely. And this is sort of Gary David Goldberg. I mean, it said it was Sid. - Love that he did, Brooklyn Bridge. - Yeah, fantastic. If you're at his book. - No, is it good? - Very, very good, yeah. - No, it was a great show. - Very sad about Ubu in the book. But this episode is sort of a very special episode. - Sid, good doctor, I forgot the end. - Yeah, fantastic. Andrew, Brian Bosnell, returns from preschool, refusing to speak, and the Keaton's learned that his silence is a show of empathy for a hearing-impaired classmate. - That's dumb. - Being razzed by other students. - But you know what though? That's like what they call when like the Brady Bunch introduced the-- - 'Cause of all of them. - You know, it's like this sort of like, that's like maybe after Andrew is like maybe the not-as-good family tie. - Well, he was the final season where Andrew, you know, jumped four years over the summer. 'Cause he's an infant. And then he was, had a tough life, that act of Brian Boswell now. He's been arrested many times. - Yes. - But this one I remember at first, Alex is like, "Ah, stupid deaf." Like he has like, 'cause who's just like prejudiced against deaf people? - No, yeah, yeah. - And then he comes around to it. But I remember I had a real, I still kind of have this over active empathy for people with handicaps. I just feel so bad for them. And I think that part of it is because of these sitcoms growing up. - Yeah, the very special episode. - Yeah, they would have like people with mental challenges or like a deaf kid. And they would have people be so cruel to them. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I would feel just so awful about it. - Well, and they were so like, you know, it's like everybody that had whatever their affliction, but they were depicted in like, such a sort of debilitated, you know. - That is. - Yeah, like a so pathetic. - I am a robot trapped in my injury. - Yeah, the kids would just be like, "Hey, dumb ears." - Yeah, they'd be like beat the shit out of 'em or something. - Dumb ears. - Yeah, it was, I really think that that's what made me way too overly sympathetic with these people. - No, we do come from an era of the sort of like, yeah, the melodramatic. - Pity them. - Yeah, it was like, were kids just awful, awful bastards then? 'Cause one of the meanest things that I've ever heard on television was on "Punky Brewster." If you remember Alan was a grade A prick. He was a little blonde kid that was on "Punky." They had a janitor in the school who was a savant. She was, could play the violin very well. And so she was playing a spray bottle, like a violin when they were listening to classical music in class. And Alan goes, "Hey, what are you gonna do for an encore?" "A mop solo." - Yeah, he's like, "I like all the girls." - Yeah, and then "Punky" goes, "Alan, you're hurting your feelings." And this is the single meanest thing I've ever heard on television to this day. Alan goes, "She doesn't have feelings. "She's a retard." - Oh my gosh! - Yeah, that was like my gosh. - Yeah, exactly. - Couldn't do that now, awful. So yeah, always would've watched "Family Ties." Love that show, I will say I would've been tempted by "Wearwolf" Fox's show about a "Wearwolf." - Yeah, again, yeah. - But "Family Ties" fantastic. Final season of "Family Ties" as well. "88" was a pinnacle year for shows that had been on forever. We're ending it. "Family Ties" facts of life. Long shows weren't ending that year. "8.30" what are you going with? - "8.30," well, you know, Michael J. Fox, I had to jump down to "Back to the Future." Pick it up in the last half. - Yeah. - And I love "Back to the Future," the first one especially. I love all three, even though there's dumb parts. - Yeah, "Part 3" is not my favorite. - Yeah, but I love it so much. - Yeah, it is very good. - Yeah, it's like "Back to the Future," you know, came out '84, '85. - '85, I think the first one is, yep. - It was just one of those movies that just kind of like changed my life on like-- - I think a lot of people feel that way. - How great it was, and it's still, I can re-watch it and re-watch it and re-watch it and just love every single moment of it. - "Back to the Future" is so good. - Definitely movie like, there was sort of a two-year period where you had like, "Gremlins" is up there for me like that. "Back to the Future" Ghostbusters, "Goonies," "Goonies." - "Goonies," I would say for me of those, I mean, in those are all good movies you mentioned, all movies that I loved, but "Back to the Future" and "Goonies," two great examples of just seminal-- - Yeah, "85" was probably my favorite year for movies. They're a real genius, I mean, there was tons of great movies that I just can re-watch over and over and over again. Did you watch "Back to the Future" cartoon? - Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Not quite as good. - Yeah, no, yeah, it's, my sister actually just gave me for Christmas or my birthday or something. She never actually gives me my presents on the holiday. - Right, so you can't tell. - Spring, I don't know, yeah. But-- - Is it your twin sister? - My twin, yeah. - So she forgets when your birthday is? - She's, well, yeah, forgets, be nice. That's what she forgets. But she forgets that there's Amazon, she can buy me a present on the day. - Yeah, day is super right here. - But she got me, but she gets good presents, I have to say. - Okay, so fair, it's true though. It's a very thoughtful presence and "Back to the Future" LEGO set. - Oh, nice. - And did you do LEGO's when you were a kid? - Yes. - Okay, have you ever, have you done LEGO's today? - They're very different. - They're so hard. - Yes. - And my cousin was visiting me in when I lived in LA, Hollywood for 10 years, and my cousin and her son were visiting, and he is 12, and so he's right in there, and I said-- - It's a legomania. - Yeah, and I said, "Hey, you can put this together," you know, and holy shit. It's like this book, and it's like these little things and I was helping him organize, you know, and it is not fun. I don't think it's fun. It's neat when you put it together. I mean, it's, yeah, it's crazy. - Yeah, the LEGO's, I've become sort of a subculture now. - I used to just make a house on a green mat, and, you know, and there's people in the car, yeah. - Oh, just a big LEGO, yeah. It was much less, I mean, just the specificity of the sets now. - I had a big thing, a tub that I would make stuff. - Look, it's not together. - Yeah. - Boom. - No. - That's it. It's very complicated. Now, it's, there are whole stores for LEGO. - Yeah. - It's a whole weird thing, yeah, absolutely. So back to future, I wouldn't have watched because I would have been annoyed that it was edited for television, and-- - Oh, see, I didn't read the little specific descriptions. - Yeah. - And it's in the chart, and I can see why that may be, yeah. - Fair enough. But I would have gone with the Family Ties spin-off, day by day. - You know, I didn't pick day by day because I, you know, I don't remember loving it. Can you please describe day by day to me? - It's stunning. - So I kind of, I know that I would watch it. - Not a great show. It was a bacto pilot on Family Ties. It was about the Keaton's college friends who were married and ran a daycare out of their home. Julia Louis Dreyfus was on it. Courtney Thorne Smith was on it. The kid who played Mike Brady in the Brady Bunch movies was on it. - It does it as the sun. - I vaguely remember it. And I know I think I loved it. - Okay, Thor-a-Burch was on it. In this episode, Brian takes the title of "Hippiss Dad" to heart when all Ross would like him to do is be anonymous ride-giver, especially when his dad's newfound coolness threatens to ruin his party. I mean, we've all had our dad ruin a party. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, that doesn't sound like the best episode I will say. - Yeah. - Nine o'clock, what'd you go with? - Nine o'clock. - Still 'bout the future, or are you popping around? - Batch the future's over at nine. - Okay, all right. - And so no, Ken, but no, I have a channel switching between the Terminator and people's choice awards. - Terminator is a movie, absolutely. - And it's on HBO, I think it was on HBO, so it's not edited. - Yeah, not edited. - And yeah, and so the Terminator, first Terminator, is, you know, and I got a film degree, a film because I gave up for my journalism degree, but in college, I got a film degree. - I have a film in journalism degree. - Yeah, film, it was a film theory. - Some y'allics. - So we watched, yeah, it did some y'allics. We watched the Terminator, but yeah, that's a pretty dark, I didn't watch it, and the first one in Tel College, and it's a very dark movie. - It's incredibly dark. - Terminator is one of those movies when people cite a sequel that's better than original, they always see Terminator 2, and all those people are wrong. - Yeah. - 'Cause the first one is so much better. - But they're so different. - They are. - Terminator 2 is really good. - It's a good movie. - And I'm doing this moment in the movement, which we know is the fucking gun, and on the motorcycle, and it's like, with a shotgun action. - Oh, it's like a shotgun action, yeah. - No, it is, that's why it's good. And if you're in, which I was, I mean, I was like, I hate that we're Tom Boy, but I had all boy friends, we played G.I. Joe's, and guns, and all that stuff. - So you wanted to see some asking. - So I was really into like, art of sports tonight, like commando, and all those action movies, ninja movies, and stuff. And so T2 came out, of course, when I was a lot older. - Summer in '91. - Like that, but. That was a huge, that was the biggest thing that's all. - But it was such, I mean, and just the technology. I mean, the liquid metal. - It was amazing to see. - But no, but it was such a bit to them, I saw the Terminator after it. - Oh, you saw it after? That's amazing. - Yeah, because I was in college in '94 and '98, and totally different movie, amazing movie. The Terminator one, everyone should see it, that, it holds up. - It's got such a creepy, dark atmosphere. - No matter, yeah, it's amazing. - And dystopic. - Absolutely, and it has, just, it sticks with you a lot more than the second one. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - And with 20 years behind us, between the two, I can definitively say that the first one is a much more enjoyable. - Yeah, and then everything after T2 was worth the idea. - Oh, T3, actually the TV series wasn't too bad. - Oh, was it? - Sarah Connor. - Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. - Chronicle, Sarah Connor. - Yes, that's tough to say. - It's too bad because, you know, it's like it was. - You know, the first two are legitimate in their own right, and then you just, you know, fuck it up, you know. - Although, I mean, James Cameron is sort of a notorious thief, and he was sued about the Terminator movie by Harlan Ellison. - Oh, really? - Because the plot is legitimately a rip-off of two outer limits episodes from the '60s. - Oh, wow. - He just combined them, and they're like, not quite word-for-word rip-offs, but it's the exact plot, and Harlan Ellison won the case, and like, opened and shut won the case. - Oh my God. - No one ever talks about it. It's very interesting. - Like I, you know, I mean, he just seems like a real cock, you know. - James Cameron, or Harlan Ellison. - James Cameron. - Yeah. Yeah, oh, absolutely. I've never known anyone saying a good thing about him, other than like, his very talented, he gets the job. - But you know what though? That's like saying, you know, comics, and you know this, like, it's like, I always say, you know, it's like, you know, when you're a comic, you know, there's talent, and there's hustle, you know. If you have a lot of talent and a little hustle, you're never gonna go as far as someone with a lot of hustle. - Oh yeah. - And a little talent. And it's the same thing. James Cameron, you know, he's good at a lot of things, but you know, and I don't, honestly, I'm not so deep into James Cameron that this could be like, totally off base, and we could insert another person. But, you know, as a comic, I can say, you can value things that are other than being funny and being better, being funny, and growing, and be very successful. - Right. - And, you know, if you're a comedian who's like, no, I care about being funny. That can be very frustrating to see that. Like, no, that's not what it's about. It's about you being an artist and you doing things on your own. - Right. - And, yeah, so anyhow. - We thought the business aspect. - Exactly. - And so, but those people don't care, like those, the comics, that do steal or lift, they don't care. - Yeah, they look at us as necessary. - They don't see it, so if you have this James Cameron thing, you know, him, he doesn't, he's like, no, I am bazillionaire, I don't care. - What are you gonna do about it? - You couldn't do it, you didn't put your things together. Like what I-- - You don't remember your other women's episodes. - Yeah, I figured it out. You know, and that's just how it is, you know? But I don't, you know, it's like, you just can't, you can't care about those people because you don't wanna beat that, you know what I mean? - Yeah, in order for you to be able to do that, you have to be the kind of person who doesn't think it's actually wrong to do that. - Yeah, you have to, yeah, that Carlos Mancia, you know? - What's the problem? - Yeah, what's the-- I mean, that WTF, two-parter is like the best thing ever because the second episode, you really sort of hear him-- - Yeah, you could write a psychological study on that. - You really hear him be like, so what? So, I don't care. - I got fans with it, who cares, he wasn't doing anything with it. - Yeah, okay. - Yeah, it's like someone-- - Who's that guy? - Yeah, it's like someone who steals someone's wife or something, they're like, "You weren't paying attention to her." - It all comes back to those people, man, maybe not James Cameron. - Possibly James Cameron. - I don't know, he brought out Avatar and like, who knows what he's gonna do next? - He got sued for Avatar as well. - Well, you know, like, you know what though? But like, for him, he's like, "Who fucking cares?" - I'll just pay him, big deal. - People know, yeah, who cares? I'm James Cameron, people know that's my movie. - I own my own submarine. - Yeah, exactly, and island, and who cares. - So, I love that show, that movie, and I probably definitely would've watched it at that time. However, Garrett's handling show was on, which was also-- - What, I didn't even see that. - Oh, no, I would've 100% watched. - It's Garrett's handling show. - I can't believe I missed that. - Innovative, crazy, weird show, blew my mind as a kid with all the fourth wall breaking. And this one, the shoe mockers need a weekend alone, but is Gary responsible enough to take care of, Greg? - What channel was Gary's channeling on? - A Fox. - Okay, so here's the thing, I didn't get Fox. - Wisconsin had no Fox? - We didn't have UHF. - No UHF of a fox? - No UHF. So, I didn't, I got Fox in up until '87, and, you know, so really early, sort of like, Tracy Omen-Joe Fox. - You got the Fox. First year Fox. - Yeah, and then no Fox. So no UHF until I got to college. - Geez. - Yeah, and we actually had a satellite, but only went like one of those huge satellites. - We had to move it to get certain stations. - And it just came with a house that we bought, and my parents, it only went to my parents' room, so my mother would actually tape movies, you know, off of cable. - Super channel. - And then also, she would, 'cause I think they got HBO, so they would like, tape HBO movies, and she still has, like, the VHS tape. - Nice. - It's so ridiculous. - Nice. - And then also, she would tape, like, an hour block of MTV, you know. - Oh, she still has those tapes. I love how it works. - She does it, I know. Yeah, well, you know, it's so funny as a present, because it's so stupid to me, she has these dying VHS tapes. My husband and I started collecting the DVDs, like, we'd get them online. - Of the movies, yeah. - And we didn't get all of them, but we gave, like, the ones we had, it was, like, 12 of them as a present, and it was surprisingly touching. She opened them up, and she was, like, like, thought it was, like, such a good gift, and I was, like, oh, I thought it was, like, a joke, 'cause I wanted to throw those away so fast. - You were paying attention to the world. - It was, yeah, so now we just need to kind of get the rest. - I wonder if she could get weird broadcast from, like, Canada, and all that kind of stuff. - Maybe, 'cause I couldn't go up and watch, like, she's not like, "Come up and watch TV." - You weren't loud in there? - No, yeah. - Wow, wow. So she's like, "I'm avoiding the HBO in here." - Here's the thing, my mom was recently remarried. - Okay. - So to my stepfather, and, like, that was, like, no man. You know, that wasn't, like, a relationship there. - What's their dome there? - Yeah, it was like, "No, before you come in." You know what I mean, so, like, yeah, so it wasn't like, but we used to go in there. - When they were at home. - When they were at home, yeah. - Go through everything. - Yeah, find, you know, candy, gun in the drawer, you know. - Nice, nice, no wonder you weren't allowed in there. - I know, yeah, well, they didn't use that, yeah. - Did you have, did your mom have rules around how much television you can watch, or when you would watch that? - I feel like when we were a kid, there was some kind of rules instituted, but I don't remember, like, a kid, like, I always think of things before Wisconsin, after Wisconsin. - Right. - So, like, before Wisconsin, when I was a kid, 'cause I was 11. - It would be a little older, it would be a little older. I don't think that there were rules when I was, I feel like-- - I feel like on the remarry, the rules go away. - The rules go away, I just go, they're rules go away 'cause they want you to go away. - Just don't bother us, and we don't care what you do. - Yeah, exactly, so-- - Did you watch one other TV in the house, like, in the already? - Oh, the other thing, I had my own TV. - Okay. - When we moved to Wisconsin, so A.W. - Did you all have your own rooms? - Yes. - Okay. - Like, so, the cost of living was a lot. We had a huge house, we lived on a lake, so this big, like, you know, just big house. - In a state. - Yeah, it was a big house, it was great, this is what you kind of need, like, living in a rural area. - Right. - Yeah, so my sister and I had our own rooms with a shared bathroom, like, a joint bathroom. - Okay, pretty much style. - Yeah, and, but yeah, so we each had our own TV, which is nice. And then there was, like, and we had a ton of TV, so then there was a TV in the downstairs family room. And my sister had a TV, and there was a TV in the kitchen, and there was a TV in my parent's room. - So you never had to sit down and argue your case for watching something, because you could just go to an TV. - Yeah, just go to an, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But of course, then, of course, you know, that was, like, in the, our shared age of pre-DVRs, pre-anything, so, you know, it was, you know, a little more sort of, everything was urgent, you know? - Yeah, I mean, but there wasn't probably a lot of arguments, unless you were one of those households that had a, quote, unquote, "good TV." - Yeah, no. I don't want to watch this on the good TV. - Yeah, yeah. I guess unless you want to, if you wanted to sit, like, in the living room, in the family room, downstairs and watch it, yeah, I guess that would be the only argument, because you wanted to, like, lounge on a chair and watch it, but I feel like, I feel like I was just fine being by myself and watching my TV. - Yeah, I did that in my room. I mean, I had a TV in there and did the same thing. So yeah, you missed Gary Shanley, but it's a good show, and you also were missing out on Dewett, the other Fox show that was after Gary Shanley, not a great show, way too old for me, very, very '80s, not my favorite. Monday night, eight o'clock, what do you go with? - How did I put three things? - Okay, so it's a tough call. - Tough call. - Well, here's the first thing, is that this is what I feel like, I can't tell you what was the one to watch, but I feel like Alph, I can't say-- - Can't get away with. - And then Slash, this is more like me, like, I would love to sit and watch MacGyver, you know what I mean? - Okay, yeah. - It was tough, you know, it was kind of campy and silly, you know, but also good, a good show. - It was huge. - Yeah, and it was huge, and so I watched it, yeah, so Alph, MacGyver, and then Madder Slash is a movie that I just think is one of the best movies of all time, it's Lethal Weapon. - Yeah, Lethal Weapon's a great movie. - Lethal Weapon. - Although, Christmas movie, to me, in March, it's too Christmassy. - Yeah, so I didn't see Christmas movie. - Attempted suicide. - Oh, which one? Oh, no, no, Lethal Weapons is a Christmas movie. I thought you were saying, like, oh, it's another Fox show, Christmas movie. - Yeah, Christmas movie. - Yeah, no, yeah, no, but yeah, so like now, like, at Lethal Weapon is like, yeah, it's such a, yeah. Even though, yeah, I'm not bothered with clashing of seasons. - Okay, that's fine. Well, probably Wisconsin feels very Christmas-like all the time. - Yes. - March, there's probably still quite a lot of snow. - Yeah, there could have been. Yeah, March, you still, you don't know. - So, Alph was a show that my dad loved. - Oh, really? - And it insists that we watched. - Uh-huh. - My mother worked Monday night, so my dad, that was like our family. - And so, we never watched TV together, that's it, like, ever, ever. - 'Cause you already were on space. - Yeah, and they didn't want to be around us. - Fair enough. I mean, Monday nights, my dad would try to get us to watch Alph together, but I was always watching Kate Nally, which is very strange that my, like, 35-year-old dad's like, "Let's watch Alph." And I'm like, "I want to watch the show about Middle East divorces." - Isn't it funny? - Just to think of your dad as a 35-year-old dad. - Yeah, oh, yeah. Thinking of my dad at the same age as I am at all, he was 25 when they had me, and I look at pictures of him now, and I'm just like, "That's insane." - So weird. - Absolutely insane. Every birthday I have, my dad always go, my birthday was recently, my dad always goes, "Yo, when I was your age, I had a nine-year-old." - Yeah, I know. - And I'm like, "Okay, I was zero-year-old." - He's jealous of me. - I know, he's jealous. - Yeah, I think that might be. - That's why, like, I love my mother, and she listens to most things I do, so she might be listening to this, but it is funny, though, like, when you have a kid, 'cause I had my daughter when I was 36, and, I mean, I guess, yeah, almost, yeah, 36. And it's funny because, was I almost 36, or she was 12, yeah, whatever, anyhow. And it's funny when they're like, "Oh, well, you should do this. You should do that." And I'm like, "You had me when you were 26, I am 10 years older than you. I'm smarter than you were." - I've seen more things. - I've seen more things, but, you know, she has good ideas. - It's a very different world. - I kind of was working on a bit about it, and I still should probably finish it, but the same idea, like, just sort of, like, when I was 26, then I tell a story of me getting blackout drones, like, waking up bleeding, and you know what I mean? I'm like, "Oh, so do you want that me to, like, that to the person?" - Yeah, so let's do that with my dad, I'm like, "Yeah, when you were my age, you also had a mustache. I don't have one of those. What's your point? I don't understand." - So Kate and Alia would have gone with, and for this one, from once, Alia's calm about her relationship with Bob, but now he's in a panic because he feels he's not ready for marriage, which no one has mentioned. I'm eight years old, and I'm watching a thing about middle-aged people getting remarried, but I'm loving it. My dad would have been watching Elf, which you may have been as well, and this one is Willie's promotion means the tenors will have to move, but as Willie scares up buyers for the house, Elf scares them away with some mysterious mischief. And MacGyver, which I always feel obligated to read the snopsies of, because they're always crazy, this one MacGyver enlists mountainous recluse, and lists a mountainous recluse to help him track whoever is dumping toxic waste with Randall Texcob playing a character called "Earthquake." - Oh my God. - Toxic waste was a big problem in the age. It doesn't come up now. - I haven't seen a MacGyver in a long time. Did you see, I never saw the movie version of that. - MacGruber? - Yeah, was it funny? - I heard it was funny. - I heard it was funny as well. I don't remember the sketches that often. So 8.30 we got one. - So 8.30. Oh, so then I just, Elf is over, so then it's switching between MacGyver and Lethal Weapon. - It's watching the last half hour of Elf. - Yeah, and honestly, the rest of the night is Lethal Weapon, after that. - That's fair enough. I would have gotten with Valerie's family, even though I was very mad about their placement. - No, I, well no, Anne, like, yeah, I thought the show was dumb already, and then when, yeah, so, yeah. - It was just too bad. And then New Heart at Nine, I'm going with one of my all-time favorites, sitcoms. Love it. - At Nine Nights I was going on. - You know what? And, like, honestly, that was a show I never watched, but in retrospect I could say I think that me, my age, then would have watched that show. - It's a great show. That show holds up. I still watch that. - But I have no sort of sentimental attachment to it, though. - Fair enough. I don't think it was a kind of show that it's not like Faxillade from people look back. They don't go, "Oh, New Heart, when I was 10." But it's a great show, and I still enjoy it now. Tuesday night, eight o'clock, what do you get on with? - So, you know, this is really on the line because some shows are like, "Oh, so stupid." With this show, even though Angela kind of drove me nuts, who's the boss? - Yeah. A show I watched every week but couldn't tell you I liked. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm like, "Why was I watching it?" - But I liked it more than I didn't like it. Like, it's not like a show, like, okay, so like, whenever Full House is on, I couldn't pick it because I'm like, "Now I'm like, 'Oh, that show's so dumb. Like, if you watch a rerun, I'm just like, 'This show is so stupid.'" - It really is. - So, who's the boss? - I don't feel that growing pains the same way, growing pains kind of falls on who's the boss line. Like, where I don't feel so negatively strongly about it, but yet, it's still not like family ties for me where I'm like, that's a great show. - Right. That's a show that has a heart to it. Growing pains I actually think was a decent show for at least two seasons had really good writing that was smart. - Yeah. And how can your opinion of curb camera now not affect... - Oh, he's awful. - Yeah, yeah, not affect, but, you know... - I've weirdly been lucky enough to speak with people who worked on that show since then. - Oh, me. - I think about how everyone was like, ah, curb camera was a piece of shit-ass hole, then it makes it almost easier for me to look past it now. - But yeah, but who's the boss is like, and also, like, let's talk about Danny Pintaro. - Yes, the gayest, not gay kid on TV. - It's so funny because we grew up in a time, and I don't know what it was like in Boston, but I was in rural Wisconsin. Nobody was out being gay was not even a thing, my sister's first husband actually, you know, ended up coming out. But he was flaming. - Yeah. - And it's not, like, you know, now it's like, and I remember when Ellen came out, and you know, that's very, like, a big thing, and it's just a shocking thing, and I, you know, and Melissa Etheridge, around that same time. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, yeah, the mid-90s, whatever it was around. - And just this idea, and now it's like, it's so different. - Who isn't gay? - Yeah, exactly, and it's just so different, and it's great, and, you know, as coming from someone who never was really, and my twin sister's a lesbian, you know what I mean? But also, like, I don't even think that she would have realized what that was because you're not even thinking about that. - You weren't exposed to it at all. - It is a thing. You're not even thinking about it. It's a thing that a regular person is. - It's not even a thing that you have as an option. - It's an option, yeah. And so-- - It feels a little different. - And so Danny Pintaro, I mean, you know, was a flaming gay. - Really, really gay. - And, but it wasn't until you were an adult, and not just an adult because you know, but an adult living, not in the '80s or '90s, you know. - Right, in a city. - And in a city where you're just like, "Oh, he's a gay kid." - And you watch an episode where Tony's like, "Hey, let me help you get some girlfriends." - Yeah. - And you're like, "That's not-- it's gonna be quite a joke." - And I was just wondering, like, okay, so this is Hollywood. They've cast this kid. Is it-- are they that dumb and Hollywood, too? - That they don't know. - Like, that they don't know? Is it a joke? - Maybe. - Or is everyone just so, like, in the dark? Like, I just can't even-- - Do I maybe so much? - I mean, interesting thing. If you ever-- - I'll have a good show. - If you talk to, like, some sort of, like, you know, creator or script writer or something, it just asks them. And they engage, you know, well, there's a movie in Number L. Street Part Two is considered the gay name or no street, and it's really, really gay. I mean, this movie watches the movie like the gayest movie I've ever seen. And I've told people who worked on that movie, and they're like, "We had no idea." And you watch it now, and you're like, "There's a scene in a leather bar with a man's ass being whipped," and they're-- and you didn't know, they're like, "We really didn't." So who knows? - And who knows? Yeah, I mean, who knows? It's just a different-- and it's happening so fast now that now it just seems so silly. - Yeah. - I mean, here, it's interesting that you say that you're really not aware of that stuff because here, you know, we're oddly progressive here. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And the insults were often, you know, like, "Oh, you queer?" - Yeah. - It came up all the time. My uncle was gay, growing up, but he still is. And so there's a aware of it, but there's a sort of unique kind of gay that we have here, where you'll get, like, tough guy gays, like, town-y gays, and we're just like, "Yeah, I'm fucking gay. I'll kick your fucking ass." - Yeah, yeah. - And there's also a strange sense of tolerance for gay here, whether or not to be like, "I'll fucking kill what they do, because it's very, very strange." - But that is so progressive because now you look at-- because you look at Danny Bitaro, who's, like, just, like, a sort of classic, you know, flaming on his gay. But then now, in what you're seeing in TV and movies now, are the gay characters that are just regular people, which is how regular people are gay. - Yeah, they're not flamboyant. - They're not flamboyant. - No, there's just gay every single kind, which is so great. And then that's, like, a great example, because it's just, like, no, like, there's just this guy, this version of you, that's gay. - Yeah, who's also gay. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's just how it is, you know, but, you know, it's not just, yeah, this sort of, like, you know. - Hello, it's all Hollywood from Mannequin. - Yeah, exactly, yeah. - So on this episode, when the neighborhood housekeepers find out that Tony is cleaning up in the salary department, they throw down their rooms and pick up their picket signs while Tony tries to endure the straightening slowdown. The neighborhood housekeepers, right away, I already have nothing in common with this episode, but I would have watched it 8.30, what'd you go with? - 8.30, okay, completely non-ironically, Wonder Years, I don't think anyone would watch that show, ironically. - Yeah, yeah. - Amazing show, quality show, one of the first sort of single-camera sitcoms I really remember watching that felt, made me feel sad, did it in a good way? - It's such a good show, and so, you know, living in LA, you see celebrities a lot. And so I used to visit my parents in Arizona, and you just drive the ten the whole way, you know, to, they lived outside of Phoenix. And there was always this diner that I stopped at, the Chiraco Summit, and so, always stopped there. I love it, it was like a truck stop place. - Yeah, yeah. - I knew who I was when I used to go there. I mean, you know, one time I stopped there, sat right next to Jason Hervey and his family. - Really? - Really? Was he being an asshole to everybody? - Yeah. - Just like that all the time. - No. - Giving them no cases? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a small person. - Yes. - And yeah, but yeah, it was just like, ew. - Was that the first, what's the first person when you were living out in Hollywood that you became star struck by that you remember watching on TV? - You know what, can I just say that people ask me this question, especially when I'm like back in Wisconsin and stuff, and I always never, I was like, I should write like, I need to write this down because I don't, so it's weird. It's like, I don't consider, yeah, so you're star struck by people like when you meet them, like if you run into them, it's more of a star struck. - Right. - This is a bad question. - 'Cause it's out of context. - Yeah. - But like Hervey's a good example. - Hervey's a good example. But I can't say I was like, so it was just funny to me. I can't say that I was so star struck, but yeah, there's been a million people. It just depends on like what I'm saying like one time when I was working on MTV, they used to get private conferences, this is really cool. So these are like things where I'm just like, oh, I have a million of these stories of like different things. Like I met them up at some time and that was amazing, but I was at SNL. So you know what I mean? Like it's just, but no, but once MTV they get private concert and they like email you, and they say, okay, this person is playing in this conference room right now because they're there for some reason, you know, they're just like, they'll play a few songs. Wyclef Jam. - That's really cool. - And you know, this was like 2007. And so I get down there, you know, sitting in the front row. Wyclef Jam was there with, they're both playing guitar, and he's just, he's playing stuff, he's only supposed to play two songs, and then he like slucks them off and just starts taking requests. - Nice. - And I'm sitting in the front, and I was a huge Fuji's, huge why his album was amazing. And Carnival, and I, and I, that was it, right, his album was incredible. And so I was waiting, and I requested 911, and he looks at me, sings the song to me. And it was the front row, and it was just like this little room like the size of this hotel room. And it was amazing. So that's like one of those moments where I'm like, it's like I want a contest. - But you're just at work. - Oh, I wish I could sing, because then I would like do the Mary J. Blige part. - Yeah. You've all had that bit? - I know, yeah. I wish I would be like, I could jump in, and then I was like, but no. So like that kind of thing, and, and yeah, and so I mean, I, I, things like that happen. And things like that happen, and, and, and that's the fun part about being, and that's, you know, it's kind of interesting not living in LA, where you're not like constantly, - You make me appreciate that those happened a little more? - Well, not even appreciate, but you just, it's almost the opposite where you just get to be around just normal people, and it's not just like a show business, you know, kind of a thing. - When you walk in somewhere, everyone's not looking at you like, should I know who that is? - Yes, I know that is. Is anybody here? You know, it's not like that you don't have to care. You know, you're not showcasing. - Right, right. Exactly. Which is something nice about that. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely would have gone on one of yours that time, but I do want to mention there was a mid-season replacement show that I've never heard of, and did not last very long, and it's called The Dictator, and it stars Christopher Lloyd, and it's Christopher Lloyd and his president. - You've never heard of it. - For life, Paul Joseph Domino, a deposed South Sea island ruler, running a coin laundry in Rigo Park, Queens, with his wife Isabelle and their children in the opener Domino and the ever loyal general Vesuvio, learn of unrest in the islands, and plot a coup to return to power. - That is like the most wordy, that's like a short story. - What a bizarre concept. - That's so bizarre. - An ex-dictator is running a laundromat. - That almost sounds like, you know, then it sounds so ridiculous, but like it almost sounds like the first like description of Breaking Bad. Like that's how ridiculous it is, like, but so ridiculous that it could now be like an HBO show. - You could make that as a drama, like a dark drama. - Now, yeah, but then it's like, okay, you're being silly. You're being a silly person. - A powerful dictator actually runs a laundromat. - It'd be funny that was a sitcom too, like that would even be- - It is a sitcom. - Oh, it is. - Yeah, it is. Look, here's the, you gotta see the ad for it. It's crazy how skin's put in the tumbler. Look at the ad for it. - That's crazy. - It's really, really wacky. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's not a drama at all. - Yeah, that's awesome. - Very crazy. So, where are we? Nine o'clock, we're going with it. - Moonlighting. - Yeah, absolutely no question. Moonlighting. Fantastic show. - No question. - Fantastic show. - Funny. - Great actors. - Smart, great show. - Yeah, and I don't remember watching it a ton when I was that age because it was a little old for me. - It was, I felt like I was missing something- - Yeah, but, I mean, yeah, just fantastic. I do want to mention there is an after-school special on tomorrow with this ad in here that is outside of the- - Ah, I just saw the name of it. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - It's called Daddy Candy. - I'm going to say that the rest of my life. - Alison Watson knew there were people who didn't know how to read. Papa Papadopoulos couldn't read. - What? - Yeah, Papa Papadopoulos couldn't read. And I quote this all the time and no one ever knows what I'm talking about. But one of my favorite lines was, his son goes, "Come on, Dad, you can't read. What about we go to restaurants?" And he goes, "George, I just ordered whatever you're having." - Okay, this is a crazy reference that I've looked for on the internet. There was a host on the morning show, like in the early 80s or something like, or not early 90s, somewhere around then where he broke down crime because he couldn't read. - I don't remember that. - Yeah, it was a black guy, but I looked it up and I've tried to find it, but he's cried. - Oh, I'll look you knew it. - I'll look you knew it. - I swear to God it happened. - I'll look you knew it. - And it was just nuts. And it's just a thing you remember. - Yeah. - I've seen you start live. - I don't think I saw, well, I think maybe I did see it live, but I can't remember, I remember that having been a thing, you know, in the 90s, at some point. - This is a very dark thing that you were wondering, there was a news, a morning news house named Christine Chubbock who actually killed herself live on air on the morning show in 1973. - No way. - She did. She pulled the gun out of her purse and said-- - I remember her because I don't know that our Bud Dwyer did it. - So if this will upset you back away, yes, Christine Chubbock, you can look this up online, there's no footage of it that people have, but she on a morning show, like a good morning LA type show, a middle of the show, pulled the gun out and shot herself on live TV. - Wow, why not? - I'm crazy. - I'm not glad that she completed the deed, but you know, that's pretty gutsy because it's, I think it's pretty easy to shoot yourself on the head and do accidentally not kill yourself. - And not kill yourself, yeah. Yeah, she has a really sort of chilling weird quote before it happened, or she says like, "I think anything you say." - Anything, it's chilling. - Peanut butter and jelly. I'm like, "Ah, that's serious." - Don't forget the milk. Yeah. - She's like, "Oh, and in the station's tradition of bringing you lots of violence, he was alive, suicide, and then people were like, "What the fuck?" - I can't believe I've never heard of this. - I'm surprised you haven't heard of Christine Chubbock, it's very, very famous amongst weird us. - Okay, yeah. No, I'm glad I know that now. I can add that to my sort of like reference to Christine Chubbock. So Wednesday night, eight o'clock, what are you going on with? - Growing pains. I mean, I love that show. I love the show. I mean, Mike was funny, what's his fate? The brother was really good. - Yeah, Jeremy Miller? - Yeah, I saw Jeremy Miller. I like, he was actually a good brother, you know? - Yeah, it's a real family. - Terrible. - Terrible. Everybody was good. You know? It was a very well-acted sitcom. - It was '42, especially in '88. My favorite season was '87, '88. This was a new night. The first night it was on Wednesday night, which it was on for the rest of its run. And this episode has been discovered as a way to get his parents to buy him a new bike by adopting Carol's subtle approach instead of Mike's fawning manner, pitting Mike and Carol against each other with Ben in the middle. This is a pretty fun one. I love this show. Watched all the time. It's great. - Yeah, yeah. - Eight-thirty. - Eight-thirty. Okay, so this is a show that I think then I thought wasn't that great. And now I know it's not great, but just for pure like nostalgia, head of the class. - I kind of like head of the class. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it made me want to be smart. - Yeah, yeah. But it wasn't that head of the class had like the 40-year-old high schooler. I mean that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's like the sort of, you know, then you didn't really call it out so much. But then later on that was always. Yeah. Then later on you're like say when you start talking about like how old everybody was a 90210 and everything and like, you know, that was another good example. Well, as a kid, you don't recognize that you go there either older than me and could be 20 or 40 or they have gray hair in their old. Yeah. Like it was only two categories. So it didn't really matter that much. And this episode, Grease is the word and everyone's interest in the school's production. Everyone that is except Alan. So I don't know if you remember, but every year they do a two part musical. No. So every year on head of the class, they would do a musical and they would actually do it on the show. You know, can I just say you do have an amazing recall. It's sad. Yeah. No, it's not sad because I was really into TV, but you have an amazing recall. It was kind of, I just watched. I just peek and choose tidbits and stuff and I'll remember those, but you just, yeah. It's all in there very vividly and I don't know why, but it was so they would do a two part and it would be a second part would be a half hour production of of Greece or of Little Shop of Horrors or something. Oh, that's so neat. So this is one they do. I remember Little Shop of Horrors. Dennis played the plant. So I would have watched that as well. Nine o'clock, what are you going with? Nine o'clock, Highway to Heaven. I love that show. I don't know if I watched it every week, but it was a show where I just liked it. You know, and if it was on me, I don't, I think guilty pleasure is such like a dumb thing, but it was just a show I just liked. I always found it really depressing. I think I was supposed to be life affirming, but it made me really sad. I know, I just, I just liked it. I liked Michael Landen. I liked his friend, the guy, Victor French. I, I just liked the show. So this warming was like a hug. It was supposed, I think it was supposed to be. And for a lot of people, it was, but for me, every time I try to watch it, it was always so sad. So this episode reading the description, this really would have bummed me out. This was Mark requests and gets Jonathan's stuff and with it, a teenage cancer patient who's pretty sure she can't be cured, but she does want to save the dolphins. Part one of two. Wow, that really goes all over the place. That's taking on a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff there. That would have made me sad. I hope she saved the dolphins. I think they're safe. That was big then, saving the dolphins. We still have them, so they were safe. Yeah, I know. They saved them. I would have watched Jake and the Fat Man. This episode, Jake and McCabe go after deadly identical twins. So you know what's so funny is that Jake and the Fat Man, that is in one part just a great title, but we were pretending it was on Fox. Yeah. That would be, you could also say like, oh, like if that wasn't a good one, a generic name, Jake and the Fat Man. What are we going to call the show? I don't know. All right. Jake and the Fat Man. Jake and the Fat Man. I got a picture of the cast. Fine. Yeah. So we're going with that. Thursday night eight o'clock, what are you going with? Well done and done. Cosby Show. Cosby Show is such a good show. It's one of the best shows all time, still completely watchable and such a great show. And you know, I just stayed at my friend's house in Brooklyn and in Bedford-Stuy and Bed-Stuy and it was, and I've been in Brooklyn a little bit, but this was fun. Oh my god. Yeah. She lives in a brownstone. I stayed there and I was just like- Whenever I walk around those areas, I'm just like, it's so tuxable. But yeah, but no, the Cosby Show, 100% such a great show. Yeah. And this episode is a Denise visit. So this was after she had left the show, Lisa Bonet comes back to visit. She was actually fired from the show for doing a movie, Angel Heart, where she had a nude scene cover with Mickey Rourke, which is actually a pretty good movie. But in this one, the Huxables yearly await Denise's weekend visit, but end up seeing more of their daughter's luggage than their daughter when she spends nearly all her time with friends. Oh, classic. It really, it is the real life that she- Yeah. I would have watched that, but I do want to mention there was a new show on it at a clock that has a fantastically crazy description. It's a show called Probe. And here's the description. Three people drink from the same cup of tainted soup, but only one dies. How can it be murder? That is so funny because that's like now like those shows are like so big and they have been, but like, that sounds so stupid as like a show to description. Like if that was like a description of CSI, it'd be like, what? You guys are done with ideas. And then that's the ad, but then the actual MTV kind of description says, "A witch casts a killer spell on a caustic talk show host, but Austin, dismissing witchcraft as a form of hypnosis, suspects that there's more than the power of suggestion to her sorcery." Have you loved it, TV guides from like today just to see if everything sounds not as dumb? Uh, it doesn't. It doesn't. It can't, right? It definitely doesn't. So that was intriguing. 8.30, what are you going with? So 8.30, um- There's only two choices. There's more than two shows listed. I picked Cosby Show. What do you think I picked? You have to do different roles. I love that show because that was like, you know, and that was perfect for me. Like, I just like loved all the female characters on that show. I just loved it. It was just a great show. It's a great show. This has a special guest appearance by Rudy. Oh, I think I remember that when she came to visit. And she ended up liking Jasmine Guy better and it made, I remember that episode. I think I saw that actually one like a year or so ago, like it was on reruns or something and I flipped on to it. It's a great show, Marisa Tomei on the show. Yeah, she was great. Yeah, great show made me very disappointed when I got to college and it wasn't like Hillman. It wasn't? I might totally. Northeast University? Not like Hillman at all. Yeah, it was a great cast. So many really good, funny, smart show. Again, you have young people, ethnic people on television. Which is great for me because the one thing is, it's funny, even though I lived in rural Wisconsin, I had already started liking, I mean, it was the 80s, liking rap, before I got there and I got really into like hip hop and stuff like that. And so any of these sort of like, you know, urban, urban, urban, I would say black, but you know what I mean, black shows because I'm not afraid. And were great for me because it was what I was interested in and what I ended up being very interested in, like, especially in the 90s. And yeah, until that, yeah, loved it. So it was a great, so television really served as a great way, even without cable to sort of access that stuff in the middle of nowhere. And, you know, in a great night, I will also mention one of my, one of the shows that really, really helped me. It was our new hall show. It was not a show because, you know, the musical acts in a show and the DMG music catalog. It goes together. One-cent CD. And I would just, and I would just be like, okay, get that CD, get that. So what else does that, does that person produce? Okay, I can't do it for us. Yeah, like this. We'll get down productions? Yeah. And it was, it was great. I can't re-watch or send you off. Try to re-watch all the episodes and he's a horrible talk to us. But seeing the musical acts is great. Amazing. And she was even in the band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. No, it was such a great show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, yeah, it's just like, there's that one, like, Cypher Show and Beastie Boys doing, like, so what you want. I mean, it's just, I just remember. Yeah, no, I completely agree that seeing that on that show was great. Nine o'clock, I'm guessing and going with Cheers. Where are we? So we're on... Nine o'clock Thursday. Thursday, yes. 100%. Lethal Weapon is on again. No, I did not re-watch the other weapon. And, you know, Cheers also holds up. Cheers is such a funny, great show. And I remember, and I also, this is, this is BW because I remember the TV and where I was watching. And I remember seeing Cheers on because my parents liked Cheers. And I guess when we lived in California, it was more of like a family event watching TV. And, and seeing, thinking that was, I didn't get it. That was an old person show. It was for old people. And then, and then seeing it later when I got older and saying, no, like, this was actually funny. I didn't give it a chance. You know what I mean? This is basically a family sitcom. Yeah, it's so, yeah, they're the family. No, I never thought, yeah. It's more of a family sitcom than a workplace sitcom, really. No, it's such a great show. And every, every part of that show, every, you know, from the different iterations of the cast is very good. It's, it's one of the rare shows where a major character or major part was basically recast and the show stayed just as good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And every character seemed like a real character and not just a joke. Really great show. I've never met a single person who doesn't like Cheers. It's the only show that you know that one time George went and saw me do stand up. Really? I would have passed out. Well, he came and it said, well, I did the Canyon Club in Los Angeles outside of LA. David Tell had become an open for him there. And so, and this was, I don't know, it was when I lived in LA. So, you know. Sometime in the last 10 years. Yeah, in mid 2000, you know, 2006 or so, something like that. And George went and was there with his son and he came back to the green room with his son. Oh, crazy. And he was in shorts and he was kind of like a big, you know, back guy. And, but that was, that was not a scene that I didn't even think of that. That was another like sort of like, and when he left, like David Tell and I were both like, that was so cool. Cheers. Yeah, that was really neat. Yeah, that was really neat. I mean, I definitely would have watched that. 930, I'm guessing you go on with Night Court. Yes, of course, 100% and I love that show. And I don't know how that show would seem, but that every, I remember so much about that show, all the little, you know, inside things. And I really love that show. And I think I feel like, was it funny? Was it not? Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's really funny. Sometimes my wife and I call them Night Court moments where it's very serious. And those are more on the early seasons of my Harry. I haven't seen it in a long time. It really holds up. It was the guys who created Barney Miller, worked on Barney Miller, so it has a real good heart to it. It's an interesting show. It's funny. John Marrakett is hilarious. Yeah, he's great. Great. I love John Markey. Marky Post, Harry Anderson. Marshall Warfield. That's Richard Mall. Richard Mall. Yeah. Bart Mall is the other fellow. Yes. And then sitcom Staple. Great, great. SUNY. Not SUNY. SUNY. Is that her name? No, no. Kwanley. Kwanley. That's Kwain Max. A wife from Vietnam, because he's a... Meltermay. Meltermay on all the time. Really great show, great guest stars. No. Funny, weird, self-referential show, great. Now I move on to Friday. Okay, but I just say I did write a 10 o'clock show in their LA law. Did you watch this all the time? I watched it. I remember watching. Do you ever see the episode where the main character is like watching sort of Open Elevator? Yes. Yes. What a way to die. That was an infamous way to kill off a character. And it is, you know, and that is a scary thing that you still holds in like an elevator type of... Do you have been trapped in an elevator? No, I have it. My daughter is obsessed with all of it. She really likes like moving things. Yeah. I'm like teaching her now like, "Don't lean up against the elevator. Wait until it opens and there's some more in there." Because of LA law? Yeah. It's important you saw that. Did you see the viral video that just went around of the... The floor dropping out? Yes. I mean, that is terrible. I think the guy like broke a leg or something. Yeah. But like, he's fine. Yeah. But I would, like, that would be, I mean, that would be so terrible. It's like my friend getting stuck on a balcony. And like, we were so happy that it happened. It was only three hours. Right. She didn't miss anything. But balcony is stationary. And we saved her. And nothing bad happened. It was a funny story. Yeah. She like tweeted it. And like, the same thing with the elevator. You know, that sort of beginning, middle and nothing. But like, still, if it is that bad you break your leg, maybe you don't die. I would, I would need to do it. Hang on to that. I would need to be on value. That's post-traumatic stress right there. That is so scary. I was trapped in an elevator when I was five. My sister, who was purely evil, she was in a carriage. She was three or younger than me. And we were at like Macy's fight liens, which was kind of our local mission. Yeah, I permitted. And my mother was taking the elevator because she had the carriage. And on the way out, my sister jammed all the buttons. And I was kind of dazed because I used to daydream a lot. And so when I went to get that at the elevator after them, the doors shut in front of me. The elevator went up between the two floors and just stopped. And I was in there for like an hour and a half. It was horrific, horrific. Oh my god. I won't take elevators if I don't have to. I feel like, I can't remember if this is on a TV show or if this actually happened. Where basically it was in between floors, but like they didn't want to get the person out or save the person because they were afraid if the elevator dropped, you get cut in half. A couple of half? Yeah, yeah. That didn't happen. That happened on Louis recently. That's what it was. I was just like, is that a real thing? Yeah, that was on Louis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Friday night, we've already mentioned how much you hate the show that's on your clock. Normal 830, yeah. Cool house. And I just watched a bit of a full house the other day. And it is so dumb and bad. And the hair and the plot. Yeah. There's nothing about it that's good except for John Stamus is a handsome fellow. Is handsome charming? But everything is dumb. All the characters are dumb. Yeah. Everybody, you know, it's just dumb. So you're not going with that anymore? Yeah. And, but, but I remember like it was a little kid. Oh, yeah. 'Cause I was like, you know, like, that was also BW. Yeah. And, and I was like, oh, John Stamus is so bad. Yeah, hunky. And, but anyhow, perfect strangers. Yeah, a dumb show. A dumb show. But I remember like, maybe it was funny. Mark and Baker's fun. Yeah. This one is to impress his cosmopolitan brother, played by Ted McGinley, who's known as sitcom Poison. Larry tells Lie Upon Lie about being a successful newspaper editor, dragging Balke into the scheme as well. But first of all, there's no way I believe Mark Lynn Baker is related to Ted McGinley. Yeah. Mark Lynn Baker is so classically ugly that he's just speaking of like, time daily face. Yeah. Yeah. People have a bad face. I shouldn't say pro created, the two of them. Oh, man. Well, what if it's like, you know, like, biracial babies are always so fun? Yeah, you get the best. What do you get, like, too ugly? Yeah. The excessive jeans. Create some sort of gorgeous, you know, and someday the future will give us this. Yeah. And the beast was also on speaking of Terminator, you know, and I was really put off by who was, what's his face? Ron Perlman. Ron Perlman. I was put off by him at that age. Yeah. And I just, and I have to say, Sons of Anarchy, I watched like the first few scenes of, and then I got also got put off by that show, because I thought it was just annoying. And then, but I have to say, like, I love what's that comic book movie? Hellboy. Hellboy's. Awesome. And then that made me love Ron Perlman. Yeah. So I love Ron Perlman, really, even though Sons of Anarchy, just as a show, I do not love. Yeah. I hate bikers. Beauty in the Beast. But yeah, I just was not into it. We need to show that that was a phenomenon. Yeah. But so, and that's 830. We're talking about, right? That's 8. So I wrote specifically Mr. Ed, which I'm not of no sort of affinity for, but in parentheses they wrote not full house. Just don't want to watch full house. Yeah. That's fair enough. There's nothing else really on. I don't want to watch Beauty in the Beast, because like I said, I just, you didn't have cable, but I'm watching spring break on MTV, which I love. Oh, I didn't even think of that. No, I'm watching spring break on MTV. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's spring break was always insane. No, that was good MTV. Yeah. No, no, it was awesome. Yeah. Like there was crazy stuff happening. No, no, I'm, I'm going to, I'm actually spring break on MTV. Not Mr. Ed. Fair enough. Nine o'clock. What are you going on? We, so nine o'clock. Oh, Celticsibles. We talked about this earlier before. Yeah. Celticsibles. I was really in the basketball then, and that is Michael Jordan. You want to see him in this prime? Oh my God. Yeah. There was nothing better than being, being alive in the time where you really were just watching Michael Jordan as like a guy playing now and not, you know, and he was just, I mean, I remember being in college and watching that series, um, the Bulls and where they play, but it was that series where he had the flu. Yes. And he was still good. I mean, it was insane. I was watching it like the student union at my school and it was just insane. Well, Chicago, the team that you watch because Wisconsin is never basketball team. Um, yeah, I wasn't, Chicago was just the team. Something the closest team. Well, no. Timberwolves in Minnesota, but I was just, I, I don't think I, well, series like Lakers, you know, cause I grew up, you know, watching, you know, having like Los Angeles TV, but, um, but I think I just kind of gravitated towards like, you know, um, the players, you know, and so, and I was really into baseball then. And then I actually was into the white Sox because I really like Frank Thomas and, um, the big hurt and, um, and I also like the twins, um, so that that was a good team at that. And they were really. Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson. Bo knows. He does. Bo knows. I don't think I felt strongly about Bo Jackson, but yeah, but, um. So you must have loved it when Michael Jordan played baseball. I thought it was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I had the baseball card of his, but yeah, but no, but yeah, he wasn't very good at baseball. No, but he's Michael Jordan. He's Michael Jordan. Yeah. But no, watching him play basketball. It's just amazing. I would have gone with Mr. Belvedere. Uh, at this time. I never liked that show, but I watched it though. I did watch it. But like, I can't say like, like, man, I was like, oh, yeah, it's a, it's a weird show. Like the stuff there was. So this episode, Kevin decides to quit monkeying around and chooses a college meeting. Monkeying around. So even like, that word would never be anywhere in a description for anything ever. Top flooring. Monke. Monke. Medicine. But when he announces his plans to be a nurse and not a doctor, his parents go age. Ah, see, there you go. It's like another sort of like Danny Fintarro, like, sort of, but on the flip side, it's just like, nurse. You can't be a nurse. I know. You can't be a nurse. It's so funny. Fantastic. But even still, I feel like maybe it's different for kids nowadays. Like, even when I hear like a guy saying he's a nurse, like part of me inside that I would never like, reveal, be like, really can't be a doctor. Yeah. Like a nurse. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. You can be a nurse. You know what I mean? Secretary as well. Not even. Yeah. I don't name of something. Yeah. And I don't want my brain to think that. But it does. That's why it's nightingale. Yeah, exactly. Hopefully children are better off than we are. They have to be. No, they have to be. Yeah, they have to be. So I will mention that the only show my parents didn't let me watch was on at 10 o'clock and it was 2020 and the reason was I was nervous about everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the description that night is a report on whether Americans are worrying excessively about developing cancer despite the fact that we're healthier than we've ever been in history. Oh, well, that's obviously dumbest thing. It's ridiculous. Don't worry about it. Yeah. We're healthier. That's like AIDS too. You don't even care. It's the least amount of AIDS in history. Yeah. So did you have anything at 930? Are you watching the game all night? Yeah, yeah. So finally, Michelle, as you know, TV Guide, it's not just informative. It has opinions. No, I love it. No, I love Cheers and Cheers. Cheers and Cheers. So I'd like to read you the Cheers and Cheers this week and see if you agree or disagree. Okay. Did you read these every week? Yes. I used to read like in high school. I would just like flip through and like yeah, Cheers and Cheers. I would go. We didn't have the internet. So you had to look at things like magazines. Absolutely. Yeah. And like flip through. Yeah. Opinions would only be printed. So this one is first a jeers. We're split. We have a it's a year heavy week. Cheers to NBC's Matlock for cheating on on what originally sounded like a novel TV concept. At the end of a recent episode, Defense Attorney Matlock was to reveal the identity of a killer. During the show, viewers were asked to vote by phone for one of three suspects. Having the plot determined by popular consensus is a fine idea, except that the endings and dialogue in the original script were exactly the same. They just filmed Griffith reading three different names and inserted the appropriate clip. Can I just say I don't give a shit? Who cares? Yeah. Who cares? I don't care about that. I like that someone checked the script out and got mad and was like God damn it. Who cares? My vote didn't count. Who cares? difference. Next, cheers to public television's decision to cut William F. Buckley's firing line back to half an hour per week. What was that a cheerier? That's a jeer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Cheers to NBC's elf for becoming more entertaining and inventive. Most of last season, the unsightly, irrelevant alien was getting used to the conventions and conveniences of American family life. This season, the show has found his comic voice with elf poking fun at politics, television, and other subjects. That is the most generic, like, you know, like, hey, good job. Like, give us an example of what you're talking about. It's just, yeah, it's reading. It's like, hey, you're my friend, you work over there. Can you say this nice? You put something about Alf in there? Say how these things that we're doing that we've tried to do at the meet, and we've talked about the meeting before the season. Knowledge at last you was crappy. Yeah. This is as close as you get to go. It's hard to tell if he's from beyond the Milky Way or below the Bosch Bell. Oh God. Yeah, that's not a compliment. That's not a 65 year old man writing. Oh, Jesus. And finally, jeers to Fox Broadcasting for killing off the Chuck Connors character on Werewolf. Playing that, playing the head of a Werewolf family was ferocious glee. Connors was the best part of an otherwise silly program. Insiders say that Fox wanted the shows heavy to be a younger man, so Connors was given the silver bullet, blamed the loss on TV's obsession with pulling in a younger audience. We should like cheer and jeer the cheers and jeers. I think so. They're mad about Werewolf trying to appeal to a younger audience. Yeah, that's that. And which is so funny nowadays, which is like the young adult. Yeah. They love the Werewolves. Yeah, exactly. Fair enough. Well, Michelle, thank you for doing the show. This was so much fun, and I think you might have cured me of my cold. Excellent. Did you notice I stopped? Yeah, you got to opt better. That's what it does. Yeah. I'm going to charge you. Yeah. Oh, by my care. Oh, by my care. Can we hear? That was Michelle balloon. Thank you guys so much for listening to the show. Hopefully, I will see you this week at the Brooklyn Brewery. You bought your plane tickets or you started walking several weeks ago, and we'll be here next week. So come back and listen for an all new episode of TV guidance. Counseling. Look before you come in.