TV Guidance Counselor
TV Guidance Counselor Episode 27: Janet Varney
You have a TV? No. I just like to read the TV guide. Read the TV guide. You don't need a TV guide. Hello and welcome to TV Guidance Counselor. It's Wednesday. It's time for an all-new episode of TV Guidance Counselor. I am Ken Reed, as always, your TV guidance counselor. And this week, my guest is Janet Varney. Janet is great. You may recognize her voice right away as being the voice of Cora on the Legend of Cora, if you're a fan of that show. She also has one of my favorite podcasts, the JV Club, which I love was one of the major inspirations for this show. So if you don't already know about it, which you should, and if you don't already listen, you should. It's a fantastic show. And if you like this show, you will also like that show. So please enjoy this week's episode with my guest, Janet Varney. ♪ 'Cause I've gone blind ♪ ♪ TV movies made for TV ♪ ♪ TV movies made for TV ♪ ♪ Remember ♪ ♪ It's Janet Varney ♪ Hello! Oh, thank you so much for doing the show. Oh my gosh, I'm so delighted that it worked out. And for anybody who is familiar with my podcast, they already know that Laura Keitlinger lives like next door to me. Yes, yeah. And you happen to be in the neighborhood, so. Yeah, this was perfect. Couldn't be any more convenient. Yeah, yesterday, as I was mentioning earlier, I pulled up to Laura's house and there was already some guy there asking you some woman named Sue live there, and I'm like, "My GPS has been horribly wrong." Yeah, which is also entirely possible, so it's really good that it turned out to not be the case. Yes, yes, I don't, it's very confusing this area. I always have a problem where I'm still in New England mindset, and it's very hilly. Yeah. And so I'm like, "That house is great, but that's gonna suck in the winter." Right, right, right. I'm like, "No, it won't suck in the winter." But you're not wrong about, like, I mean, I definitely picked a place that, I like being in the hills, but I picked a place that you can get to from different roads. Right, right. It's not just one way to get in and out. Right. I would never live in a cul-de-sac. Yeah. And also, like, fires and flooding. Like, you know, so there are a lot of, yeah, there are a lot of places on the hillside where I would not want to live. Right, right, right. That's, I would just be terrified of that all the time, I think. Yeah. But that's just me. You picked a TV guide from the week of January 14th to the 20th, in 1989. And I think I already know the answer why you picked this one. But... You definitely do know the answer because what we discovered when I pulled it out was that I pulled it out because Sible Shepard and Bruce Willis are on the cover. Yes. So we're like, "Is it all moonlighting?" Yes. And then moonlighting happens to not have air. It's not even on that week. It's not even on that week. And then what's it even on this week? And I'm wondering if there's an article in here. Oh, actually. Yeah, it's all about the... The feuding. The drama. Yeah, it says behind the feuding that almost killed the show. And it was really the first show, and you mentioned this as well, that I remember the backstage drama was sort of front page headlines. Absolutely. I can't remember any of that. And I'm sure that went on on shows before. It must have, but it seems like it... I mean, why wouldn't it have been called out on other shows if it weren't as explosive as it was with these two? No. And I think it's the first time I remember where the show would actually not air sometimes because they wouldn't get it done because of it. So crazy. Yeah, you're so right. So much more like I wasn't as much as I loved show business and thought, like, this is what I'm going to do. Right. Until the large time of when I didn't think anymore. Where I didn't really care about trivia, about shows. I did kind of want to have the suspension of disbelief of these people are real. Right. And I was so crushed to hear that about them and to have all that information. Like, I didn't want to know, but somehow knew that he was like, this is a stand-in when it's a dirty shot over the shoulder and she's there. It's not her because he won't make eye contact with her. They were going to talk to each other. Yeah. I mean, it's such a weird thing. And the one good thing that came out of it, though, is that they had to focus more on the side characters like Curtis Armstrong. And it was the pastel. At least Beasley. Yeah. And I don't think we would have got that if the two stars of the show were like, I'm not showing up this week. That's true. That's a good point. So in some respects, we got something good. But yeah, when there were whole weeks where there were no episodes and a 24 episode season ended up being 11 episodes. Yeah. I thought there were ones too that I vaguely remember what was like. David's out doing this thing. Yes. So it's an all-matty episode. An assignment. Yeah. There were some shows where you would get that, but this one was all the time. Yeah. What a great show. I mean, that show was the first show that really sort of, that I remember being very, like, fourth wall breaking, but not in a snarky way. Agreed. Like it was, it sort of made it seem more of a reality in a weird way. It did. It absolutely did. And I don't know if I've ever had, I mean, in terms of, like, the suspension of disbelief and having those worlds, I would say that the wonder years, which I'm sure we'll talk about because I picked it, but that and moonlighting were really the ones where, like, it was a, it was profoundly upsetting to me when the door opened and Mark Harmon was at Matty's house. Yes. Like, I cried. You were really invested. It was profoundly upsetting. Yeah. No, I was very upset by that. I wanted by it. As much as I like Mark Harmon. As much as we all like Mark Harmon. Yeah. I was just a man of the year People Magazine, 1986. That doesn't surprise me, at least. I also love summer school. Yeah. Summer school? Jeff Franklin. You did a full house did summer school. I've never seen an episode of Full House. Oh, you never missed a ton. But yeah. That's part of Carl Reiner's summer duo of Summer Rental and Summer, Summer School. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Very oddly. He does move respect about it. I wonder if I, I don't think I saw that. That's what John Candy and he's like a air traffic controller and they make him go on vacation. There's a scene. I would never have seen that because I feel like I gobbled up anything. It's a great movie. He's very good in it. There's some really funny stuff in that movie and he, I went and saw that movie. We used to spend the summers in Narragansett, Rhode Island, which is like Cape Cod if you don't have any money, which is saying a lot because Cape Cod is for most people who don't have any money. And so we'd go down there and there was a little theater on this pier and I saw that movie with my Aunt Helen in 1983 or four when it came out. I must have been three or four. And there's a scene. It's PG-13, but his neighbor is like, oh, I got a boob job. Will you take a look at these and tell me if they're all right? And she takes her top, but they show from the back and they don't show anything. In the middle of the crowded theater, my Aunt covers my eyes and goes, no fucking one. I just belts it out, which was so much less damaging than if I had just seen this woman's back on the screen. Oh my God, that's so great. Yeah. So I always intrinsically link that with some Rental, which John Larrichet is in as well. It's one of his few film rooms. My beloved John Larrichet. He's my favorite everything, John Larrichet, who I saw for about five minutes when he shot the movie Second Sight in Boston. Oh, yeah? Oh my God. He went and watched, stood behind. Oh, I did. He came over and said hello to everybody. That's amazing. So let's start Saturday night at doing seven o'clock because this is a central time TV guide, which I was dangerous. Oh, no problem. The dog is involved. Yeah, guys. There's a couple of dogs here. There are a lot of jerks. Oh, no. They're just interested in TV guide. Very ugly. Most dogs are these days. So we went with central time and I thought Arizona was central, but you told me it wasn't although you... It's got to be Pacific. Don't... It's not mountain time. Right. Central and mountain is the same as it must be Pacific, but you don't participate in daylight savings. Right. Because it's just too governmental. I don't know. All I know is that sometimes it's an hour later in Arizona and sometimes it's not. That's all I know. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah, that makes sense. They're here in California. Yeah. Yeah. So we went with centrals. We went seven to nine o'clock. So Saturday night, seven o'clock, would you go with? All right. This is the thing. I'm not saying that I would have watched this then, but I had a tough time finding shows that I really knew anything about or like there was nothing I would have watched then and there's nothing I would watch now, except for I went ahead and went with Agatha Christie's A Caribbean Mystery. Okay. I'd made for TV movie from 1983. Mm-hmm. And are you a big Agatha Christie mystery? Yeah. I mean, I think I would have, because I love like, for example, what kind of reached out to me about it was, first of all, I love Helen Hayes. Yep. And she's Miss Marple. She's in one of my all-time favorite movies, Candle Shoe. It's like... Maybe my favorite movie? Yeah. That's weird. But, and so I definitely reached out about that and then... Jody Foster. Jody Foster was that, and David Niven, astonishing wonderful performance by David Niven. And so, and I leaned towards that. And I also, when I was young and now, loved both Murder on the Orient Express and Death on the Nile. Okay. Death on the Nile is an amazing movie. Yeah. So I think then and now I would go, "Maybe it'll be as good as one of those two movies I love." Yeah. And it's Helen Hayes. It's a particular Agatha Christie movie, so I can't really comment too much, but I follow your logic. This makes sense to me. Yeah. I was torn, however, at this time between 227, which is a show that I love. I never watched 227. See, Saturday night sitcoms on NBC were definitely my thing in '89. Yeah. There was... Facts of Life, it sadly ended the year earlier. Yeah. Definitely. Yes. So, I originally watched Facts of Life. Yeah. Loved that show. Yeah. So I think that's where I got hooked on 227. And I would even stick around for Amen, which I wasn't a huge fan of. But I love Jack A. Harris, she was very, very funny. And this episode, as time goes by, Mary, who is Marla Gibbs from The Jeffersons, has a dream about Casablanca and rounds up the usual suspects, Lester and Billy D. Hasbro, played by Billy D. Williams, who fight for her love to the accompaniment of Stan, whose Paul Williams, on piano, doing a guest star, and a guest bought by Larry B. Scott from Revenge of the Network. Sure, sure. I'm at Sketchfest, Larry B. Scott. Yes. He's fantastic. That's pretty amazing. That's a star-studded episode. Why didn't I read the description? Yeah. Of course, I would have watched that. This was when the show started doing a lot of sort of fantasy episodes, which seemed to be a thing for a while in the late years, early 90s, where they do like, "We're in the old West, or we're doing a party of Casablanca." Well, I just had a crazy dream. I got hit in the head. Yeah. Yeah. It was always very strange. Yeah, you're right. 227 did like five or six of those. Interesting. It was very strange. No, that was 227 to spin off of The Jeffersons. It was just some of the actors. She was sort of a similar character, but it was actually based on a play. So it took place in Washington, D.C., and it was based on a play called 227 about these women that live in an apartment building. Marla Gibbs licensed the play and did this show, and she was the executive producer. That's so cool. She's a really interesting person. She actually still owns a jazz club in South Central Los Angeles. And while she was on the Jefferson, she didn't quit her day job as a travel agent until the whole time. That is stunning. Yeah, she was like, "There's no, you know, it could end anytime." Oh my God, I love it. And she, although she did use that knowledge to kind of screw Jack A. Harry over, because her character on The Jeffersons was supposed to get a spin-off and she got really into the contracts. And she found a clause in the contract that was something like, "If her spin-off didn't work, she wouldn't necessarily get to come back to The Jeffersons," so she had them put a clause in that said, "If it didn't work, they have to bring her back to The Jeffersons," with like a double pay or something, which is what happened. Oh, wow. So she got really jealous of Jack A. Harry was sort of the breakout character on that show, and kind of enticed her with a spin-off, but made sure that the deal was if the spin-off doesn't work, she can't come back, and that's what happened in Jack A. Oh my God, that's crazy. Yes, yes, that's sort of an evil movie. It really is. I'm so impressed and horrified. Yes, don't mess with Marla Gibbs. That's what we've learned today. Oh my God. Yeah, that's the only other thing she can do. Oh my God, that's crazy. Yes, that's sort of an evil movie. It really is. It really is. I'm so impressed and horrified. Yes, don't mess with Marla Gibbs. That's what we've learned. Oh my God. Yeah, that's the only other thing that I'm speaking of behind the scenes stuff that I remember knowing was somehow knowing that Paul Reiser could always have to make a dollar more than Helen Hunt. Yes, yes, yes. You probably learned that when Greg Evagan was really out, so I don't earning him on my two days. Yeah. Well, I always bet Stacey Keenan got all the money on that show. She probably did. That was a spin-off of Night Court. It was? Yes, yes. I watched it once or twice. I don't think that was like addicted to it. It was very different from Night Court. But it was the judge who was like the filling judge for Harry, that judge, the woman who I can't remember, who was like very acerbic. And she was the judge that put down the verdict that they both had custody of her. Interesting. So we did it as a spin-off. It's really funny. Of Night Court. So I would have watched that or the Nightmare on Elm Street series, Freddy's Nightmares was on. Oh, don't worry. Okay, you've got that one. Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I have Nightmare on Elm Street. Oh, I fried it in the 13th. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely, I also would maybe watch Freddy's Nightmares after. I am a sucker for a horror anthology series. And this was not one of the better ones. No. But it was, it was pretty enjoyable and a terrible TV kind of way. Yeah. I thought it's just 13th series was much better, but. I don't even remember thinking that was that good, even then. It really wasn't. It was, that was the first show. I remember being like, oh, this is clearly Canadian. Oh my God, that's so Canadian. This is so Canadian. The trend really continues. Yes, it was the most Canadian show I remember. Oh, there was fact. Well, I used to watch a ton of Nickelodeon, which aired so many Canadian shows, but it didn't just do with me. Yeah. I don't think it registered with me either. But when I think about it now, I do feel like I was very aware of like, sorry and oat. Yeah. And I just thought they're all talk that way. Yeah. I don't know why. Nickelodeon bland. Just talk like this. They must teach the kids how to talk like that. Just like all those mid 60s actresses with the Midick Land, the Mary Tyler Moore, Rock Hill, Welch accent. Exactly. I always, I wasn't really aware of accents, but in Boston, obviously, we have a very distinct accent. And when I would see people on TV with a Boston accent, for some reason, I would be like, why do those sound like real people? I didn't know what it was. What's a myth. It's like they sound like real people. That's really funny. It was always on court shows. That's so funny. It was just people's court. These are my people. I'm like, something about them. It's very intriguing. So 730, very limited choices here. You're watching a movie all night. Amen was on. And then really, the only other choice was was Patty Duke on Nick at night. I think I probably would have gone with Amen. Yeah. Eight o'clock. I have to go with Golden Girls. I sure that I still enjoy. Yeah. Great show. It's like one of the all time great sitcoms. What I love about what TV Land does now is that they've pulled so many of those still working writers or people who are very much from that camp, not just like literally the actors like having Betty White on Hot and Cleveland, but like they've actually got people who still know how to write or live, like sitcom filming. And so often now, the reason the multi-camera I think has died isn't because they couldn't be good. Right. It's just because no one knows how to write that way. They have jokes that don't button and they don't feel like they should be-- And they're right? --vivacious. I think like, weirdly a lot of the three-camera sitcoms, especially the sort of more family-oriented ones, all went to the Disney Channel and to Nickelodeon and became very tween-y. Right. And I think that's where you have a whole generation of writers and people who think that's a sitcom and it has to be that kind of humor. Yeah. Whereas if you look at a show like the Golden Girls actually, I mean it's just a really good character show. Absolutely. And it's almost irrelevant where the other shows seem to be like, what crazy thing can we have happen? Right. But it's almost harder than a single-camera sitcom because it's just acting and writing. I agree. You can't use cut-ins and those-- I agree. They really hit it out of the park. Did you? Were you on an episode of Hot and Cleveland? Mm-hmm. Okay. Was that the first three-camera sitcom type show that you had done? No, no. I had definitely done a bunch of stuff before that, but by and large, it was sort of this thing where you're like, "I don't know why anyone would laugh at this kind of thing." Oh, give it my own. And that was definitely like, it was, it was just like a powerhouse of people who knew how to keep something interesting, keep it fresh, work it, work the crowd, you know. Right. So it's a totally different skill. Yeah. I mean, we can imagine that. It's weird when people think that it's all canned laughter and I'm like, "No, there's an actual audience there." Yeah. Like they had to play to the audience. Yeah. And it's a whole different thing. Yep. And then they took it seriously. Yeah. And I always hope that that comes back. Like it seems-- I kind of do too. And yeah, like I said, when I've done ones that I thought we're still kind of hitting at home on that level, I thought, "This is exciting in a totally different way than almost anything." It's like, it's a little like this. It's a little like this. It's a little like everything. I always almost look at it like I'm a comic book fan. I almost look at it like a comic book where it's not just a drawing and it's not just a writing. Yeah. It's this hybrid of the two that you need a different set of skills to be able to do well. I totally agree. And when people mash them together not thinking that, they're just like, "Yeah, it's just like a regular show and it happens to be people there. It doesn't work." Totally agree. So maybe it'll come back around in this snobbery against this one. It might. It might. So I definitely would've gone with Golden Girls. I watch that every week. And at 8.30 something a little interesting is on. I don't know if you picked up on this. I don't even think I looked because as soon as I knew I was watching Agatha, yeah. Dirty dancing, the series. Oh, that's right. I forgot it became a series for a second. Yes. And there was a huge trend of TV shows based on movies in the late '80s. Yeah. It was huge. Did anything. Yeah. My friend Todd Waring was the Tom Hanks character on "The Nothing in Common." Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then, but he also played Tom Hanks's role in like the Made for TV splash sequel or something. Oh, yes. Like he played Tom Hanks basically twice. Yeah. He was the Tom Hanks. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. You should have him do the podcast. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, they had to like, was around for all that. Oh, and Amy Yazbek is the mermaid in the splash tune. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a very pretty version of this person. Yeah. But there are people who would continuously show up as the TV version of these different people. There was a terrible Revenge of the Nerds pilot where they had Robbie Rist playing booger. Oh. It was very poor Robbie Rist. It was very, very bad. But Dirty Dance in the series, this was not a bad show. Jerry Orbach was in it. He was. What were the... I never saw it. The two leads. I don't remember. Oh. Malora Hardin and McLean Stevenson was in it as well. Malora Hardin. We definitely know who that is, but I can't picture her. Sure. She played baby. I have no question that we know who that is. I just can't think of it. The name is extremely familiar and I can't picture her face either. And I have this series. I've re-watched it. I wasn't a huge fan of the movie Dirty Dancing. That was like a movie I got dragged to with baby being babysat. I think it's important. I think every woman between a certain age group just all loves Dirty Dancing. Yeah. Everyone, I think it was in junior high when it came out, like the beginning of Junior Hard or something. And we lost our minds. Yeah. It seemed like it was tailor made for just the specific generation of people. Yeah, it really was. And it's weird, so which is why they probably thought, "Hey, this show, this is a slam dunk. There's no way this is." But I think it was an expensive show to make. It was shot on film, it was set in the '60s, and it had a full on-- Yeah, no kidding. They really had to meet it. Oh, yeah. It was pretty well done. It just wasn't great. Yeah. It wasn't good. Like all of the things, all of the elements were there. Yeah. And this is-- Well, I heard you talking about, sorry, just as a side. Oh, no, bro. I feel like I really want to watch Fast Times. Fast Times? Amazing. I've never had any awareness of it at all. Fast Times is really great. Fast Times is almost-- I love the movie, but the TV show is almost like a better version of it because that really screamed out for a serialized show. It's about high school. Yeah. So it really is like a proto-freaks and geeks and reminds me of like square pegs and that kind of stuff. It's so great. Yeah. It's 30 dancing, not quite in the same caliber. And this is actually the last episode that aired before it was canceled. Oh, no. How many episodes did it aired? Seven. So it didn't do very well. But this one, Johnny's old buddy Flash, comes to the resort to get Johnny to hit the road with him. That doesn't sound very appealing. Anyway, not the best. Oh, maybe he hits the road. And that's why it's the last episode. And then Empty Nest was on, which I watch sometimes, and a strange show I've never heard of before. It's an award-winning documentary called Underwater Kids. Oh, OK. Yes. It's about teachers and students from a rural junior high in North Carolina who learned to scuba dive so they could obtain classroom materials from marine biology class. Great. Yes. There we go. That could air too tomorrow. Yeah, it may very well. It could be timeless. I think if you showed me a documentary from 1989 about kids scuba diving in North Carolina, I would not be able to tell you what year it was from. That's correct. That's correct. Sunday night. What'd you go with at seven o'clock? Seven o'clock, definitely. Family ties. I was a huge, huge family ties fan. This is the last season of family ties. I was so ridiculously upset on that last episode. That was the first show where they came out and did like the wave goodbyes. It was like a 70-minute episode. I had, this is somewhat embarrassing, but I had to stay home from school the next day. I had to call in TV series, so that's all. I had relatives. Do you guys want me and my summer being ruined by the lighting when it was like the cliffhanger of Sam? Yeah, Sam. Did you try to talk to your friends about it and be like, are you guys as upset about this sign? I don't know what to do about this. And they'll just be like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Family ties was the same thing. Oh, God. The poor thing. What it was that that show was on for two-thirds of my life at that point, so I'm like, what am I going to do now? This is all that I know. Oh, I'm not checking in on them every week. So this one is no one feels much like celebrating Andrew's seventh birthday, which he skipped about six years. After Nick's mangy mutt is hit by a car, forcing Nick to make an on-the-spot decision. This is about putting a dog down. Oh, God. That is deep pressing. Nick getting emotional. Yeah. And they were really trying to make Nick more than a one-dimensional character at this point. Well, he had a spin-off series that did not do well. It made it to the pilot. It just came out in the family ties box set, so it's the first time they've released it. He moved to New York City to be an artist. That was the plot of the Scott Valentine series. Nick. Scott Valentine could have been so much. He was, he made, he was one of those TV actors too that never, they really pushed to be like a big movie star. Yeah. And the first movie he made was a huge misstep. It was called My Demon Lover. Oh, right. I remember My Demon Lover. Yes. It was in the wake of Teen Wolf. Yeah. It was something like this. Yeah. Very enjoyable movie, but not whatever. I don't remember it. I don't remember it. I may have seen it, but I don't know. The plot of that movie is when he's a teenager, he gets caught making out with some girl. And her Polish grandmother puts a curse on him called a pazazzi, where whatever he gets aroused, he turns into a demon. Oh. And so, yeah. You know, it's a good cautionary tale. It really is. I think it really saved a lot of kids from a lot of problems later in, later in life. They should show that in schools across the country. So that I would have gone with that absolutely no problem, no question I would have gone with that one. Yeah. Although there is a comedy drama movie on from Canada called Dog Pound Shuffle. Dog Pound Shuffle. Vancouver backgrounds highlight the picturesque tale of a tap dancing old hobo in his harmonica playing pal played by David Sol. Amazing. That sounds pretty good. If they were underwater children, I think that would be a hit show. Yeah. 730, what'd you go with? Well, 730, I think was, I remember this. I remember that 730 was sort of like a dead zone because I was getting ready and excited for eight o'clock. So I probably would have watched married with children, not because I loved it, just because it was online. Did you have a like a dedicated bedtime when you were, oh, you would have been like a freshman in high school. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I probably would have been in bed around 10. They were trying to move married with children some nine o'clock. There was a campaign by parents because that was most of its bedtimes. Yeah. And my dad thought it was, I mean, he knew it was total garbage. He has good taste. And so he definitely like, there were certain things I would watch where he would come in and be like, I can't believe you're watching this. This is so stupid and bad. So it wouldn't be like, this is offensive here, just be like, get better taste. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't offended. Yeah. He wasn't offended by how poor or how bad it was. How bad it was. They're not even trying here. He's just like, this is not funny. I know you're better than this. When Al comes out of a bathroom with the Biggens magazine, he's just like, who you could do so much for. Yeah. I know. I remember him saying, this is utter trash. Yeah. What are you doing? That's good parenting. I wish my father had said it. Yeah. They love married with children. It was like, they thought it was the funniest thing. Yeah. And he and I was like, oh, you poor people. You poor people. I would have gone day by day, which is, I don't know if you remember that show. Sounds well, you better remember. It was a spin-off of family ties, but it was a backdoor pilot, so it wasn't quite a natural spin-off. And it was about previously unknown characters that were Elise and the father's friends from college who ran a daycare out of their house. And Courtney Thornsmith was on it, who was also in fast times. She was in summer school. And summer school. And revenge in there too. The same week, the revenge in there too in summer school came off the same week. What a year for Courtney Thornsmith. You're here for her. She must have been like, I'm going to take just conquer the world. Well, she kind of did. I mean, she used work forever since. Oh, yeah. I mean, she's sort of never gone away. Yeah. Yeah. That was her time. And Devide also, Julie Louie Dreyfus' first sitcom. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, she was sort of their yuppy neighbor who was like the butt of all the jokes. She played basically the same character she was in Christmas vacation. Okay, yep, yep, yep. So this show, Ross takes a job babysitting, but an evening out-cruise and a stretch limo is too tempting to turn down, so he takes charge of Molly and Emily along for the ride. Uh, Thora Burch was in this show. Oh, yeah. And she used to just go by Thora. She did. She just went by Thora. Very strange for like a four-year-old actor to be like, "I'm one name." That's it. Yeah, no kidding. What's she up to? She hasn't done much lately. Her parents were famous '70s porn actors, which I was shocked to find out. I think one of them was in like Deep Throat or something, and they were her managers, and I feel like I read something where they sort of mismanaged her career. So they really pushed her to be a kid actor with a single name, apparently. And she was in this, and then the next year after the show got canceled, she was in the original parenthood TV series after that, and then I think the next big thing she did was Hocus Pocus. But she hasn't really been around since Ghost World. Yeah. I don't think I've seen her in much. I don't think I have either. But she was a cute, good kid actor, and it was odd that she didn't get cast in love. She was like the focus. She's an American beauty, too, yeah. Yes, American beauty was sort of, I think, her big, critically acclaimed. That was her first post-hocus-pocus. You got it. For people who were like this, she's doing it. In contrast, I married with children that night, to cheer Peggy on her birthday, Alan Steve traveled to Wisconsin and Francines of Hollywood, where the, where lies the solution to Peggy's clothing crisis. So this is an episode, speaking of how trashy we just mentioned this, this episode is specifically about trashy lingerie. I'm so embarrassed, yeah. And there's a character named Muffy in it. Of course there is. This show, I should have been embarrassed watching this show with my parents. Like there were those shows where you, I don't know if you ever watched something with your parents where you just, you didn't want to make too much of a big deal of it because then you would feel like you would get more embarrassed because you're like, I know this and you'd have to pretend that it was just something that, and this-- Like lewd stuff. Yeah, yeah. And you were just like, ugh. But you couldn't just get up and leave the room because then they'd be like, why? What's your problem? But this was a show that should have been like that, but instead my dad was like, everybody gather around. So that's funny. So funny. Early Fox. At eight o'clock, what'd you go with? Gary Shanling. It was like my favorite show at the time. I loved that show and I never really got into Larry Sanders' show. It's absolutely brilliant. It's so different. Yeah. You know, I mean it's just so different. And so many people have like zero awareness of its Gary Shanling show and are huge fans of Larry Sanders. And I mean, I don't know, to me like, I guess I have said you should go, you should go back and get a hold of it. I mean, they're very dated, but what he was doing. Both of them. Yeah. Crazy innovative. Very innovative. And they both sort of had a similar vibe of that show's about television, both of them, but in completely different ways. Yeah. And I think I wanted something more like it's Gary Shanling show when Larry Sanders came on, which is why I just didn't watch it. But when I go back, I like it when I see it now. Yeah. Yeah. But it's Gary Shanling show was the most meta thing I've ever seen. And I mean, I don't think I had like a strong awareness of that being the case, but I definitely did to a degree. I mean, because my dad and I would watch it together. Yeah. And we would just nerd out on it. Appeal to every demographic, like just the way he would do really people don't ever cite this show now. Yeah. He would come out and be like, this is my sitcom. Yeah. This is the audience. Yeah. We're going to this set. Oh my God. No, it was crazy that my very favorite episode, which I have seen thousands of times, I still have on video cassette that I was like everything came full so we're going a very powerful way for me because we did a few years ago a tribute to it's Gary Shanling show was like the 25th anniversary or something. Oh, right. And so Gary came. Oh, that's amazing. And Elle's why Bell came to Sketchfest. And in this 1400 seat theater, we showed my favorite episode. They were like, you can pick one, pick whatever you want. Oh, that's great. And I was like, well, maybe I could pick one. This is the one that used the most to me because it was an episode, it was so crazy meta. It was an episode about how I think it was actually called personal growth. And it's an episode where in the opening monologue, I could talk about this for hours. Oh, no. But in the opening monologue, Gary comes out and says, I want to read a letter from a viewer that came in and he reads the letter and the letter says, you know, I'm a big fan of your show, blah, blah, blah. But I'm also a doctor and I have to say that I was a little concerned when I saw a suspicious growth on the next week, right? Yes. I remember this episode. Yes. Yes. And then I looked like Pete Schumacher, which is his next door neighbor. So then the actor that plays Pete is the doctor. Yes. And it's so, and he goes, and the opening monologue, he goes, all right, let's go look at that episode. Yeah. And then he goes, he takes you over and you watch on the VCR, a fictitious episode that was never real where every opportunity to see Gary's neck is, it's concealed by something. Yeah. And so he's fast forwarding through this fictitious episode. And then at the end of the monologue, he's like, I better go to get this checked out. And then he gets them all removed on the show. And then he's, and then he's drugged on anesthesia and like post pain medication. And he like fucks up a bunch of stuff for his neighbor who's getting married, yada, yada. But it is like beyond absurd, it is, it's like being stoned. Yeah. But I mean, the idea that someone, even then, when I did, again, didn't have like a strong with sense of like television writings I do now, even then I was like, this is the most like comedically complicated thing I've ever seen on television. And it's brilliant. But those sorts of things are what probably gave you a stronger sense of, I mean, for sure. It's all creeping in there, right? Yeah. I mean, that's probably like a, like a college course in the structure of a sitcom. It's so good. He gets rolled into his hospital room and says to the audience, aka the camera lens, oh, uh, thanks for applauding when I roll into my hospital room because no one does anything. And then the audience is like, oh, no, I mean, it's so great. It's so good. It's so crazy. So Shanling wrote for a ton of 70 sitcoms and I didn't know that at the time, but it makes perfect sense that he was able to take all these cliches and the structures of the just hammer him out sitcoms. I mean, he wasn't writing for great sitcoms. It was like three's company and sort of stuff. But when you look at it's Gary Shanling show, you can see where he took all those sorts of things he learned on that and probably things he thought, oh man, I'd just like to do this. Yeah. And for the office and did it with that show and I was so excited for that show when it came on. It's the biggest Gary Shanling fan, but there was a show that Michael Nesmith did called television parts, which I don't know if you remember. I loved the monkeys reruns, but I don't know anything beyond that. So Michael Nesmith, he created the concept of MTV. He created the music video. He sold the concept to Viacom as this thing called pop clips. And then he did the first video album, which was, I think, called Elephant Parts. And it was music videos and then like comedy sketches. And so NBC, when they were trying to replace Saturday Night Live in '85 before Lauren Michaels came back, they asked him to do a series of that called television parts. So basically what he did was he went out and he found his favorite standups and sketch performers, gave them a budget and said, you need to do a four minute, whatever. And so you had Bobcat Goldthwaite and all these people doing Jay Leno, just doing this whatever they wanted within this budget. And one of the things that was on it was Gary Shanling did, ends up being a pilot for its Gary Shanling show. Okay. And it's like a five minute version of its Gary Shanling show where he goes out on a date and he's talking to the camera and talking to the audience and the sets are moving. And he liked doing that so much that that's what they pitched its Gary Shanling show. That's so cool. And it's great. That's so cool. It's great. And I wonder if, you know, for not having that kind of low stakes opportunity, we would never have gotten a show like that. And it was on showtime to begin with. And then Fox picked it up. So, you know, they were probably taking more chances. But we don't have a, I guess the internet is sort of like that now where you can do that sort of stuff. Yeah, that would be a little, the little kitchen where things get cooked up. Yeah. And there's nothing else came out of television parts, but there were so many shows that I would have liked to have seen based on the shows that they did on that. And then at one point they, they aired it in the SNL slot and I, I believe they asked Nesmith, "Do you want to take the slot?" And he said, "No." But Jack Handy started on that show and deep thoughts and that moved on to SNL and when that replaced it. So, if you ever want to see it, I can get your copy. It's very interesting. Yeah, I would check it out. So, I definitely would have watched that. I loved that show. I always felt like I was like getting away with something and watching it or you just felt smarter. Yeah. You're like, "Yeah, I'm going to get it." I felt like that was cool. I think I did feel like I was super cool for loving it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And then at 8.30 would you go with? Definitely would have watched Tracey Elman. Yeah. No question about it. Yeah. That hour just made so much sense. It really did. Not really did. Because I also felt very cool for that for a little show too. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That show was so smart and, and, and I think I've talked about, I think I talked about this with Hari, the, it was unlike, I was a huge sketch-o fan and it was unlike any other sketch-o I've ever seen because the sketches were more like sitcoms or like just character. I made a lot of heart. Yeah. Like they really, there were, that was one of the things that I remember thinking even as like the young budding feminist in comedy thinking like, "One of the reasons this is so great is that his Tracey isn't afraid to like let something get a little deep." Right. You know what I mean? Like it's sketch but like women understand that like funny is sad too. Right, right. Like a, like a fade out, like want, want kind of thing. Yeah. And the characters were definitely, I mean I watched a lot of "Saturday Night Live" and the character, they weren't characters who existed for the sake of a joke. Exactly. Like Francesca, the teenage groups you would do was, it was just hilarious, the, the dialogue was just funny. Yeah. And the character interactions and they would come back every week and it was, it's the one sketch-o I can think of where a reoccurring character wasn't annoying because I agree. You didn't know, "Oh, okay, they're gonna do that." They actually made it seem like they, those characters were still having their lives in between you seeing them do stuff and that's hard to do with sketch. Yeah. And she was unlike any, anyone else I'd seen and obviously people would talk about this forever with her but where she really would just completely fade into the character. Yeah, did. Completely fade in. Completely fade in. And also just the rest of the cast, like I remember being so snobby about not just the Simpsons but like snobby about the Simpsons in the sense that I was like, "You don't know the Dan Castellanetta, it's an amazing guy, like who's an amazing talent and performance and singing and dance and Sam, Sam McMurray, and you know, all those people that you're like, "You need to be seeing these people," like, I mean, they didn't end up, many of them didn't end up meeting too because they did very well and like, that was a job they loved and that's what they became known for. You mean Dan Castellanetta from The Simpsons and you're like, "No, I mean from The Tracey Omen Show." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a great show and that went on for a lot longer than people remember and it's a show that was really responsible for a lot of the identity that Fox had at that time. Absolutely. But everyone looks at Mariah with Children and that became the model for the rest of the shows they did instead of the Tracey Omenate. I think they tried to do a similar show with John Leguizamo later and it was not great but that was like their last attempt at like, "We're going to let you kind of do a Tracey Omenate," and he might have been the wrong person to do that with but after that it was just, you know, Fox as we know it basically for a lot of action stuff. Tracey. She's great. And even like the HBO series, it's not quite as, that there was like a home made-ish charm to the Tracey Omen show that made it- I agree. Even from like the credits to- Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Well, it wasn't as much of a show as kind of like, "They're just doing it." I totally agree. So Monday, seven o'clock, what'd you get like? Okay. So Monday, this is a night of shows I didn't really watch except for the last one that I now feel like I missed out, so this would be, this would be like my opportunity. Like, I know, I feel, I never watched Newhart, um, I never watched Kate and Ellie, I don't know if that, you know. And I never, and I didn't really watch Murphy Brown, I would say that Murphy Brown, the eight o'clock in the eight thirty are Murphy Brown and Designing Women, and I would say those I did watch. Right. But I didn't watch them with a relationship to them that I feel like would have- They just seemed too old for you, I imagine. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I think I was still young enough that I was like, "Where's, where's, why don't I-" Who's my identifier character? It's like, I obviously cared about moonlighting characters, and they were not particularly- But I think moonlighting might have been, I mean, moonlighting was way more cinematic. Yeah. And so just the language of it, it was probably easier to get into maybe, but you know, Murphy Brown and Designing Women were two shows that I love, but they're about middle aged women at work. Yeah, I think I was just a hare too young for that. Yeah, yeah. But I love Candace Berg and so much. She's great. And she's good. And the women and men on Designing Women were all so talented and funny. Oh, absolutely. And was there, so you didn't really watch a lot of TV on Mondays, which are like something else you're usually doing? Was it like a fun little week? I don't even know. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. Honestly, I was such a movie buff, and my dad did have cable. Okay. I tried to like lean away a little bit from movies for the purpose of this, but probably I would have watched whatever was on HBO or like, because I got my eyes on things probably he didn't want me to see. Right. I had my own sort of like area where I watched television. So if there was like a game on or something, I could act like I was watching something and really be watching like Animal House or something or just one of the guys 24 hours a day. Oh my God. I saw that a million times. I saw octopussy a million times. Yeah. Beastmaster. I've never seen. Really? I don't know how that's a thing. Well, there's that. Eddie and the Cruisers is always on. Eddie and the Cruisers too seem to be on all the time. I know. They really just like, yeah. Well, there's that. I don't know if you had this and when you're going up with what HBO would stand for, everyone said it would stand for, "Hey, Beastmaster's on." Oh my God. How about something that's Beastmaster? Yeah. Yeah. And then TBS used to air and people said that TBS there for the Beastmaster. Who knew that it was so highly influential. Yeah. And enemy mine, I remember being on HBO all the time. My dog is freaking out. Yes. She's not Beastmaster. Enemy mine. I know. I definitely saw him only in times for sure. Yeah. That's another one. They were definitely highly inappropriate movies that were on very often. Yeah. You know, it was one that they used to always air on HBO that I loved was seven minutes in heaven. Do you remember that one? I know that. I mean, I'm going to have to say another game. Yeah. It was Jennifer Connolly. Oh. The teen, like lab room for your Jennifer Connolly. Oh, please. That's like every kid's boyfriend. And what happens in it is her like platonic teenage best friend moves in with her because her parents are away or something. And then it's, but it was on all day and then it is a little risky. It's just the right way. It's a perfectly teenager escape and the, his, there's a girl who actually likes him and it's, I can't remember the actress's name, but she was the little sister and some kind of wonderful. And she starts having an affair with a baseball player who has like a really silly name, like Juice something. Perfect. And he's played by Billy Worth, who was the winner of the first season of American Gladiators, and Tristan will never come up in any trivia. Just did. Just did now. And then, yeah. And then new heart and gay Natalie and same. It's like they, everything, everything on Monday night, I think was seemed a little too grown up, grown up problems for me. Yeah. I mean, it was CBS, which was kind of like the old people station at this time. But I was such a die hard Monday night CBS person in the show, I don't know if I was cooler for it. Like even though she was my parents, my dad want to watch Al and I watch New Heart. Amazing. And it's the reverse. And New Heart was so funny and rude. I mean, he's amazing. It's amazing. I wish that I would have understood that then. This episode is Joanna decides to sell real estate and Dick decides to will the end to George and both soon come to regret their decisions. It was just such a, I mean, I was biased towards it because it was a New England show, which always was biased for me. But it also was just such a good like crazy character show where they kind of figured out in the third season that it was just New Heart being a straight man for an entire cast of weirdos. Yeah. And it was just so well done. Also MacGyver, which is a show that I never liked and really is not a good show, but I feel obligated to always read her MacGyver synopsis because they're always crazy. MacGyver joins a police task force pursuing an escaped psychopath. A man MacGyver suspects is a pawn in a larger scheme. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. Absolutely. So I'm going with that at eight. I mean, that's seven and at seven thirty, do we say, did you pick Kate now because you would have watched it now? Yeah. I get, yeah. That was all I came up with when I was gaming. Have you ever seen it? Not really. Oh, it's so good. I know. I mean, I know it must be. Yeah. It's, I mean, the cast is great. And that show was so innovative for its time because it's just, it's two middle-aged women living in a house together. And part of it was that, you know, the economy, like they had to do that, which was very unusual. It was mostly aspirational stuff, so it was like these two women are forced to live in the South. And I really loved that show because it was the most realistic portrayal of like people who were friends to me. Yeah. Like it was- Who were the two women? It's Jane Curtin and Susan St. James. I mean, those are two great, funny, amazing women. They were really good. Yeah. And a lot of that show was literally just about two friends in their, their relationship and their giant shoulder pads, and their giant shoulder pads, and pushed up sleeves. They all look like Paul Poundstone, but they, that's a show that felt like they had a history to them. And when the camera was off, they were still living, which was a fun show. And again, not usually a show that teenage boys watched, but that's very- Love that you did. I loved it. This one, Ally is confident about her business's growth when she and Kate win a professional award, but she's less sure how to feel about her family's growth when Bob's mother questions her about having another child. So this is when she was getting remarried. Big questions. Big questions. Big questions for, for a middle-aged woman. There's also a world premiere movie. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm looking at that too. Yes. The movie starring Julia Duffy from Newhart, who is great, and Dinah Manoff, who was on Empty Nest, not nearly as famous as Julia Duffy, she was the sister who wasn't Kristi McNichol. Uh-huh. But we also have David Carradine and Blair Underwood. And this is called The Cover Girl in the Cop, an airhead model, a hothead cop. The only thing these opposites attract is trouble. I need to immediately stop this over and look at it. Sorry. No, that is, that was a made-for-TV pilot for a TV series that never took off. Sadly. Because I would watch that. Look at adorable little Blair Underwood, never wasn't hot as hell. No, he seems to have not aged at all either. Did you make it clear that The Cover Girl is holding a blow dryer if it's a weapon? Yes. Yes. I think I'll have to scan this and put it on the tumbly because this is... That's wonderful. This is a movie poster that if this was up in any theater would have been a blockbuster. Yeah. Also, now also looks like something that you would see on Showtime after hours that is like softcore. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It was a slightly shorter dress and a little bit more makeup. For sure. It was easily been there. For sure. So I want to go with Kate and Ali, although the Hogan family was on, which I've discussed before, about how upset I was when they killed Valerie on that show. I don't know if you watched that. I didn't really watch it. I definitely had a crush on Jason Beaton from Silver Spoons. Yes. But I didn't follow him to the Hogan family. I didn't really. I must have missed. It's your move as well. I also missed it. It's your move. That was... So the Hogan family was... When it was Valerie, I love Valerie Harper. She's great. Yeah. Because it was her show, and they were like, "No, we're just going to kill you." And they killed her off. That's crazy. Crazy. And the way they did it was, so the season ends in May. Never mention it. The season comes back in September. It's now called the Hogan's family. Is that Sandy Duncan? Sandy Duncan's on it. And she's in the opening credits. So I'm like nine years old and I'm like, "Where is Valerie?" Two minutes into the episode, Jason Bateman is talking, everybody goes, "Hasn't been the same since Mom died," and I'm like, "This is how you do this? This is not appropriate." This is amazing. Three episodes later to add insult to injury, they burn the house down and burn up. Oh my gosh. So they can have a new set. Yeah. And all the pictures of her. Oh my God. There's this scene. Oh my God. It's so beautiful. It's horrifically just cruel. Wow. Jason Bateman's holding this crumpled burn photo, and he's like, "This is the only photo I had of Mom." Oh my God. And then they're just off. There's no more Valerie. That's amazing. Maybe the most embarrassing moment of my entire life was when I was working at a local Boston TV affiliate in college, and I would usually, if we had a celebrity, and I would have to be their fixer for the day. And Valerie Harper came in and it was great. I was so psyched to meet her and I was hanging out with her all day and she was really cool and she was talking about free being the bean and SC TV and all this stuff. So I'm like, "Oh, we're cool. We'll bring up Valerie." So I'm like, "Yeah, I was really upsetting." I was like, "Yeah, I was just wrong." And I started tearing up a complete psycho. I couldn't even help myself. And she just hugged me, which was very nice of her. But I was like, "Oh, this is perfectly embarrassing. This may be the most embarrassing." I don't know why she wasn't used to the idea that, I mean, it's creepy, but it's the most complementary, safe creepiness you've put in multiple experiments. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess. You know, you understood that it was a huge shitty injustice. Oh, absolutely. You know what I mean? I'm sure she appreciated that. And they tried to do a contest to rename the show and I remember a kid at school entering it and I was just like, "No, this is bullshit. You can't support this." They didn't care. They didn't care. So yeah, it got terrible when she was gone. 8 o'clock, you went with Murphy Brown. I think you said, right? Yeah. Yeah. So this was Murphy's investigative skills. Get an innocent man released from prison, but Murphy would like to see him back behind bars when the gang offers him some on-the-job training as her secretary. So again, this was the famous sort of secretary gag, which was every single week. I was a huge fan of Paul Rubens was the secretary. He was the longest standing secretary on that show. That was a show. I never really liked politics. I'm not a political person or definitely wasn't then and I always thought it would be bored. Every week, I love Murphy Brown. I would tune in and be like, "This is the week I'm bored," but I never was. It always needs to make it interesting. And it was awesome that, yeah, I mean, I had to pick her in respect just like that time and the fact that she was, you know, so absurd and crazy to everyone that she'd be intact by. Yeah. I mean, he not legitimized that show but just made that show a thing. Like now it, and it wasn't definitely- It's kind of like the Dixie Chicks in the same way. Like people who would have dismissed something out of hand, suddenly were like, "Maybe I have all the respect in the world for this." I'd never buy one of their albums, but now I will. Yeah. And that show got more political after that because they said, "Now we have a forum and there are people sort of watching it for this," and they sort of get a lot more very special episodes after that. That's pretty great. Like they gave Murphy breast cancer later. If you remember that. I do, I do. I think she was the first character in a major TV show to do that. So Designing Women at 8.30, and this one, Julia believes that trusting in Anthony's juvenile charge will improve the boy's behavior. But all it does is get Julia's photo on the evening news for conspiracy to rob a convenience store. Amazing. Shavar Ross plays Tyrone in that episode. That was such a weird show. I always had a real aversion to southern shows. Mm-hmm. I think I did too. Off-putting like Momma's family is my least favorite show of all time. I didn't really like Duke's a hazard, but I loved Design Women. Loved it. Yeah. It was so funny. You saw past your own biases? My own bias. Yeah. And then oddly on that page, the Judd's had a special across the heartland that night. Beautiful. She can guarantee you I would not have a wish. Beautiful. Tuesday night, 7 o'clock. Where are you going? I'm one letting is on. I just saw it. It was? How did I miss it? I'm lying. There it is. 8 o'clock. Oh my god. Somehow I, because I think maybe I wasn't looking at the grid on that one. Ah, you may not have. Ah, yeah. Of course I would have watched it. Um, I wonder what my 7 o'clock options were that I somehow got confused by. So moonlighting was 8, but at 7 you went with... Well, at 7 I thought I only would have just watched a movie. Oh, okay. So you went with the full two hours? Yeah. What movie do you do? So now I know. Explorers? Explorers is great. I love that movie. I love that movie. That's a movie that has such a great like script flip in the middle where you think it's this sort of sad Spielberg movie and then it just gets completely sad. Yeah. I think, but that is the situation where I have, I've seen it many times, so I would have watched Explorers from 7 to 8 and then turned it off and flipped over. Right. It's just like a comfort thing in the background where you put it on there. Yeah. Yeah. I love the Explorers. I saw it in the theater. I was very excited about that movie. I can't remember if I did it or not, but... We, one of the only good things my parents did was every week from 1982 to like '94 I went to the movies every single Wednesday. That's fun. Like I never missed a week. I love a tradition like that. Yeah. And then I went until probably 2002, but I saw, never missed it. I was also seeing like, you know, 50+ movies in the theater, which was great. Oh, yeah. That's great. But the Explorers definitely was, was one of those. Also, you passed up the movie, The Adventures of Mark Twain, The Calamations Spectacular. That is absolutely terrifying. I do. I did not, but I was not aware of that. Oh, you've never, you've never seen the Adventures? No. It was done by the guessing guy who did the California raisins. Sure. Sure, sure. And it, there's a scene that, where the devil is in it and it's extremely terrifying. Ah. It's one of those things that comes up frequently when you're talking about things, the friends about stuff that terrified them as kids like the Huggabunch and Labyrinth. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes. Somehow I missed that one. Yeah. Well, you're a better person for it, I think. I missed that. I would have gone with who's the boss, despite not liking who's the boss. I've never seen it. I am so envious of you. You've never seen it. It was a terrible show. Yeah. It was in the many sub-genre. Yeah. I was referred to it as the time. I, I remember thinking I was too good for it even then. Yeah. I mean, well, you are. But I was part of you married with children. So, look. Yeah. There's no method to the madness. Hey, you, you saved just that little bit of your dignity by not watching who's the boss. This one is Samantha is ready to hit the streets with her new driver's license. But Tony steers her wrong when he gives her the keys to a bright yellow tank. And Garrett Morris has a, I wonder, guest role in this episode. I would have watched it and then been mad at myself about watching it. Yeah. And at 7.30 though, Roseanne, absolutely. Yeah. I loved Roseanne. I don't know if you watched it. No, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I don't know if I ever watched it and I just wasn't interested. Have you seen that? Now I respect her so much and I respect what the show did so much. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the writing staff is like everyone who went on to shape American television. Yeah. Yeah. And I know you talked about it with Ryan in, in that episode that I just listened to and the show, the chicken shirt and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have huge respect for the existence of that show. It just wasn't something I was into. Yeah. It's a great show. And the young Roseanne wants him to donate to the PTA rummage sale and Darlene foregoes a passing grade on a report card and Jackie fumes over being stood up by Booker, Booker of course played by George Clooney. Amazing. Yes, when he was in so many sitcoms for many, many years. Yeah. He made his rounds. Oh, yeah. I mean, he was one of those, there were certain people that you could tell someone at the network just really liked them and would put them in everything. Which exists now. Yes. I'm sure it does. Yeah. That's definitely still exists. You're like, oh, well, I want to say they're on the machine. Which is something, frankly, like an envious person who keeps almost being in the machine or kind of is in the machine would say. Makes sense, though. But yeah, it's definitely like when I don't get something and it goes to somebody who's been around forever and like, well, they're in the machine. Yeah. I mean, I remember, I apparently can't, I would probably guess without mentioning Bonnie Hunt. But she had a show called the Bonnie Hunt Show and they were going to recast it. They didn't cancel it, but they were going to recast it with all their people in the machine on who were on shows that were canceled. And she said, no, just cancel my show. She like didn't even want to do it to have to be recast with that, which is pretty amazing. Go, Bonnie, go. So you're watching the movie, still you missed out moonlighting and this episode. No, I am watching. You're watching it now. You're changing. That's fine. That's fine. Approved. Approved. Approved. Approved. Approved. So this is it's boys against girls as the detectives take sides in a claim of sexual harassment that culminates with the alleged harassing using a gun to harass the alleged harasser. Okay. I vaguely remember this. Which is odd that 1989 we still weren't really discussing sexual harassment yet because the Anita Hill was what, maybe 93, 94. That seems pretty not groundbreaking, but pretty interesting for them to have that as a plot. Yeah. Also, it's right around. But there was a lot of like power politics and sex on that show and even in their like weird fantasy ones, like remember the taming of the Shrew one, that basically is the same thing. That's like an episode about sexual harassment and like men and women power positions. I wonder how much of that I wonder how much of that was just like civil shepherds experience as like a model and actress and stuff. Her books great. Oh, no, I haven't. I haven't. Civil disobedience is very, very good. There's some good Elvis content in there. Oh, thank you. I wish you, she made it. But that show was fantastic. This was when they had moved it the week after because of the problems. So it says next week the drama series studio 5B premieres here, which was a show they tried to replace moonwriting with. I think they were trying to use it as leverage to get them to play ball. We've got a show to put on if you don't know. But it didn't quite work. Yeah, that show I absolutely love and a show that didn't have enough episodes for it to make it to syndication. So I think there's a whole generation of people that just don't know about it. Agreed. But I think they would love it. I mean, people who are ween on a lot of them modern shows it's letting could air now and still be pretty contemporary feeling. You know, what it would be on USA? Yeah, that's true. I think it would be on USA because it's a one hour. Dramedy. Detective show. Yeah. And that's essentially what psych was. It's like that's why, you know, James R. Day loved and by the way she, you know, Civil Shepherd was on, was on site, which is a huge fan of 80s television and yeah, it would have been that sort of like two kooky characters, it's kind of sexy, it's really funny. It's a mystery. It would be on USA. Right. That makes sense because USA really was sort of been remade as the last bastion of that sort of one hour shit like I loved burn notice like I am unapologetic about my burn notice look. Yeah, they really, they really did it like when I, when people are like, what's your perfect show to be on? I would, I say I would like to be on a one hour HBO like mystery kind of show. Yeah. They're not allowed. They're not afraid to have people be really smart and really weird, you know, I mean, there's things that I don't love about it, but like I really think that network is like when they say characters walk on my honestly feel they mean it like it's looking at make sense. Like if you're somewhere and someone makes fun of it, you're like, you know, characters really are welcome. They are welcome there. And you probably shouldn't make fun of it. And it's hard to be a character. You were going to character when you were welcome where they had the signs, no characters here, the separate character instances. It's very exciting. Yeah. Very funny. I definitely would have gone with that. And I will say though that night 30 something was on at 10 o'clock, which was a show that I always watched. I feel like I, I again thought that that was something that maybe wasn't meant for me. Like and then I absolutely was like, oh, I'm not gonna. It wasn't. I'm nine, 10 years old and I'm watching 30 something and my parents be like, why are you watching this? I would just be like, I don't know. Yeah. I really don't know. And I've tried to go back and watch it because I love my so-called life and it was a lot of the creators for that. And it's just, it's just, it's just, I just remember thinking it's like, oh, these grown ups are whining. Yeah. It seems like they've got it all. It's so self-adulgent. You're like, you yuppy jerks, like, even that, I don't know why I didn't have that reaction then. But I've really tried. And there are a few like very good standout episodes, but it really is just like whiny jerks and no one's a good person. It's like if, I don't know if you were my so-called life fan, but it's like if my so-called life was just about the parents and they were worse people, there was nothing else redeeming about it. Yeah. And the guy from 30 Something who we discussed earlier, I really thought that was, I really thought that. He looks exactly like Vincent from Beauty and the Beast in makeup. I'm glad that's so funny. Yeah. But he had to have known, like you couldn't have had that haircut he had, it had the beard and not had that be something that people thought. I really thought he looked just like the beast. He does. He does. Yeah. He's amazing. So Wednesday night, I will mention that this was a little bit before prime time, but there's an amazing after school special that was on with an ad here. Is that Sean Austin? It's not Sean Austin. No, I can't tell from that. It's, I don't know who that is, it doesn't say who that is, but Dan Laurier from the Wonder Year isn't Betty Buckley or in it. So I may look at this at four o'clock, let me see actually, it's called Taking a Stand. And it is, let's see, they don't, oh tomorrow at four p.m. It's on Thursday. Oh, okay. All right. It says, when racism strikes a small community, one boy strikes back with one weapon he has, the truth. I love the term when racism strikes as if it's a plague, as if it's a temporary virus that gets exposed instead of like a deep seated hatred. Yes. If you had strikes, I had a flare up of racism. Exactly. It's a good thing. And I'm fine with it. Yeah. So this one, now the kid is Timothy Collins Griffith, who I've never heard of, an absorbing fact-based drama about a teenager who pays a heavy price for telling the truth about a racist incident he witnessed in his all-white neighborhood. He's ostracized by his friends and his mother. Amazing. His mother, that seems like a real bum out. I like that it's, rather than based on a true story, it's just a fact-based drama. Fact-based. Yeah. Like, human beings are real. Yeah. Yeah, I would think that a non- People live in communities. That's a fact. Because gravity is not real. But this drama is based on no facts whatsoever. This is all made up. Yep. People eat air. There's nothing else in here. Yep. So Wednesday night, 7 o'clock, what'd you go with? Wednesday night, 7 o'clock, I went with yet another, because I probably would have done this as I did with explorers, watch a movie until the thing I really want to see is on it. Okay. Okay. And would you? 9 to 5. 9 to 5. I love that movie. Yeah, it's a great movie. It is. I'm a huge deli part and fan. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that movie. Did you ever watch the TV series 9 to 5? No. It's not good. Yeah. It is very not good. It is, it's like someone, it's like, they just got everyone who made happy days and told them about the movie 9 to 5. Just someone, someone saw it and then two weeks later, they were like, oh, let me tell you what happens in this movie and then I'll make a show about it. And that was 9 to 5. Oh, that's amazing. It was not great. I had a couple different things I would have watched. This would have been tough for me. Growing pains show I absolutely love. Yeah, I never watched it. Loved it. By 1989, my two favorite seasons were season three and four. This was well within that. This is after Carol goes to a bar with her college guy she met at the library. She tells her parents a whopper, but Mike knows better. This is the ultimate growing pains episode. Oh, amazing. This is the one where Matthew Perry plays her boyfriend, her boyfriend Sandy who dies in a drunk driving incident and I have this whole monologue memorized and whenever I used to, if I had to audition for things or a couple times to get my alt correct, but not on purpose. I did sets where I just did Carol's speech from this growing pains episode, she has such a weird diction. She'll be like, Michael, see where that is the sickest joke. I'll never forgive you. And she pronounces the word chance very weird. She's like, what happened to a second chance and she's clearly like Emmy. I'm getting an Emmy with this. I'll do the whole thing if I don't stop, but it was a big deal that episode. Yeah. I remember hearing about that and I didn't even watch the show. Yeah, I remember kids at school were legitimately upset about that, but then they probably all drunk drove anyway. Yeah. And there was a new show on that night. This was a 60-minute drama called TV 101 and this was the first television show I remember that Cheryl and Fen was on. No. So it was Cheryl and Fen and Martin Mull and this show was Vance's involvement with a new girl at school threatens to lure him back to drugs while Keegan observes a burned out colleague thinking twice about accepting a permanent post. So this was about like a cable access TV station in a high school. It was very high concept. It bombed. But I remember that fall. Can you look at that? Yeah, absolutely. That fall, all of the media like entertainment tonight and all the things that would review new shows are like, this is going to be the best show this season and it's really high quality and it's great and no one liked it. Well, that's a shame. Yeah. It could have gone longer. And Martin Mull's great and everything and "Unsolved Mysteries" is on which I watched. I know. You talked about that. I just never really watched it. It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. This one doesn't have any supernatural content in it. But we have cases of all the disappearance of an organ teenager at a carnival, the search for a policeman's killer in Virginia, the hunt for missing shrimpers in Northwest. Also an update on a World War II soldier who's been reunited with an Austrian family he helped during the war. Amazing. Yeah, I think I was like, I was definitely, I didn't want to know the bad things happen to people. Yeah, I think that's fine. I just skipped it. Yeah, that's an approach I probably should have given myself. And so 8/30, head of the class was on which I watched every week, loved that. But let's just be clear that I would have only watched nine to five till eight years. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. 7/30 was head of the class. Yeah. One of your years, eight o'clock. Yeah. This is a show that watched it with my dad. And it was your dad. So my dad for him this show was the exact years he was those ages. Yes. And my father was probably the same. Yeah. And did he get like upset about being like really into it? My dad was really into it, but I never heard him complain about anything. Okay. Like he definitely was just like, I love this family and I love this show. Right. It was, that show was, that was easily the best family sitcom I can imagine. Yeah. And it was just such a good mixture, a bittersweet and funny. So good. Although Jason Harvey still enrages me to this day, I just imagine he's that same person. I know, I know. They did a very good job. He did a very good job. He will cast. And there was nothing about that show that wasn't great the whole entire series. I completely agree. The whole, like really, damn, Gloria, I mean, I, I, I, I knew it was that thing where like I very rarely nerd out on someone like I ran fan fan out on someone. Right. And I've since worked with him because he's on Sullivan and Son and I did an episode of that show, which is a very much the, that's on TVS, but maybe it's not anymore, but it, it's another one where they really meant it. They, it, that wasn't even in front of it. It wasn't in front of a studio audience, but it could have had that vibe to it. Yeah. I don't think it was in front of a studio audience or maybe all my stuff was a pretty shop. But anyway, point being, Dan Laurie is on that. The first time I met Dan Laurie, it was that verbal vomit where like, you know everyone says it. Right. And you still can't stop. You can't stop. I still was like, I broke you. Like, I couldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Almost always avoid that. I really am good at like tamping that down. Yeah. Yeah. And he looked at me like, you are the bajillionth person, is it? Yeah. But I, I couldn't not. He, he is emotional. Unavailability. That's what, I remember my dad saying, like in terms of this sort of like this is real. Right, right, right. And that era, because my dad is such a touchy, touchy feely person, like we would sit and share a box of Kleenex watching the one of the years. Oh wow. Okay. He was like, and his dad was pretty touchy feely too, but my dad, I remember specifically my dad saying that is how men were, like that's how fathers were. They did not engage or participate in most of the time. I bring on the money and that's it. Yeah. And it was just interesting, like that really, I remember him really like making that point. He was so terrifying, but like, not like a villain, but just scary because you're like, he's such, and there were definitely kids that I remember growing up who's like houses you would go over and they had that dad, he would come home from work and he'd be like, bye. Yeah. It's hard yelling at everybody. And so that's why I just, I totally identified with him being such a terrifying character, but you also felt like he kind of got why he was like that. And when they would do those moments when he sort of, you saw him as like a vulnerable, real character, it made a lot more sense. They meant so much. Yeah. They meant so much. I used to work with this guy named Peter Guimber who sometimes would introduce himself as Pierre Guimber for some reason. And I was a sales assistant and I, you know, would answer his phone and he had a gallstone or something and he was, had to go out on surgery, which side note, they were passing around a card for him and this guy, Freddie Wong, wrote in the card, that's what you get pig. And so I was like, oh, is this a joke you guys have, and he goes, nope, you just heard, that's what you get pig in this guy's car. But his cousin was the mom on the wonder years. So when he got out of the hospital, she called for him and I answered the phone and I knew that, I knew that, because he had mentioned that that was his cousin, but I like instantly recognized her voice. And for a second, I was like, ah, like I couldn't, it was, yeah, I pushed it down. She has some sort of association with the U of A, because my dad somehow has a picture of with her. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't remember how this thing too sound related with her. Since then. Maybe she's from there. Or horses. I think she was in popular after that for a minute, but yeah, that show was great. And that's a show. The last episode was devastating. Yeah. I mean, devastating with the reveal that he died. I didn't stay home from school that day, but I think I had used on my staying home from school. I might have stayed home. I might actually. I feel like that one legitimately you could have called school and said that's why you're staying home. And they would have been like fine. Let's go close. Yeah. No one's here today. Nobody's here today. Yeah. But you didn't pass up my court, which is a show that I know you're like. No, but like this is the one where, remember I said like, this is crazy. This is like not something that ever, for 100% probably one of the other, I would probably watch the one of yours with my dad and in the other room, we would be recording that court, which my dad hated, but he knew that was like my favorite. What do you hate about a night girl? It was too silly for him. Yeah. He thought it was too silly. And I think because I started watching that when I was really young, he did think like the lewd stuff. Right. I was like, you're watching. Yeah. Some of them didn't feel the stuff again. I mean, and I was obsessed, was obsessed with Dan Fielding. Who wasn't though? He's just so cool. But like I've said, and if he was in my podcast, I definitely said it before. Yeah. I've totally wrote down like every night on a calendar, I wrote down what color student I he was wearing. Yeah. Well, you should. He dressed very well. I think my dad was creeped out by that. So it wasn't the show itself. It was the reaction to the show. Yeah. And I remember him giving it that much of a chance, but it definitely was. I think he thought it was too sexy for me then. And so he kind of just like, take this and watch it and all you want. Yeah. Because it makes a message. Yeah. Take this and never have enough of it. Yeah. Yeah. I love Night Court and I was, Barney Miller is probably one of my favorites that comes now. And I never watched Barney Miller. I couldn't watch it when I was a kid. That's too young. Yeah. And that was really young. Well, a lot of the people who created Barney Miller went on to do Night Court. And the first few seasons of Night Court are very much Barney Millerish. My wife and I always call them Night Court moments when the show is very funny and at the end, Harry has this like heart to heart speech and it's very, very serious. Yeah. But by this point, they had gotten pretty silly on Night Court. Barney Miller is a show that I absolutely love and I wish that I had gotten more into it at this time, but I don't know if I could have if I didn't love Night Court first. Mm-hmm. It was almost like easing you into that sort of thing. Yeah. I get that. And it's like, "I know." This is when Christine was having a baby. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. If you remember this, with the undercover cop who left her at the altar. Yeah, yeah. And they thought this was the last season of Night Court and they tied up everything and then the network forced them to come back for a ninth season, which makes no sense. What are we gonna do? Yeah. They were like, "Ah, we have to come up for stuff to do." Oh, that's funny. So you didn't really miss too much if you didn't tape it that night, but not a bad choice. A 30. The final half hour of Wednesday. I just, I didn't see anything. I don't think anything grabbed me after the wonder years. And knowing if like, knowing that I would have watched Night Court afterwards, I wouldn't have watched it. I wasn't gonna tape it and watch it. Yeah. I would have watched that. But if that wasn't an option, I probably saw the Revenge of the Pink Panther with a song. Yes. So I probably would have just watched the rest of that. True. So you passed up Hooperman, which was a show that I loved. It was John Ritter played a San Francisco police consultant. And it was a half hour dramedy, which was an odd time for that sort of thing. And it was a really good show. He basically, it was him and this dog named Beju who was like a little dog and they helped like solve crimes and he would like talk people down from ledges and stuff. It was a pretty cool show and it was well done. I mean, John Ritter's flawless. I couldn't love him. If you're a fan of him, I highly recommend Hooperman. It was, but it didn't really hit with people because it wasn't fish or file. People were like, "I don't understand what the show is." It made sense. And after one of your years, I kind of made a good block with that. And then the other show, the polar opposite of Hooperman, my two dads, airing after night court. The Paul Reiser's finest work, I think we all agree. Giovanni Robishi was in the episode at this time. Oh, was that? Yeah. He used to go by Vani Robishi on this show as the name he went by. So Thursday night, 7 o'clock, what'd you go with? Definitely went with the must watch, must see TV. Well, the must see TV. So we got Cosby. We got Cosby. Different world. I love different world. I love different world. Different world sort of ruined college from-- well, a lot of things ruined college for me. But different world. I thought it would be like a different world. I thought it would be like that. I was like, this is not like a different world. Yeah. And it's not like real genius. I don't know how-- I wanted my dorm to be exactly like a different world. And it was not at all. Yeah. I'm like, I can go downstairs. Well, just pay phone, hang out with my buddies. There's no Jasmine guy. Yeah. It was not anything like different world. Yeah. It was very disappointing. But in Cosby that night, battle lines are drawn when the Hux Wolf Strada convinced Sandra and Elvin that their rundown studio apartment is inappropriate for their coming child. I distinctly remember this '77. I feel like I remember it too. Yeah. And they had a really almost accurately crappy New York apartment that was done on my friends that I know. It was like funny. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And that was one of the reasons I always-- I never wanted to go to New York, I think, because I was like, the Warriors. Yeah. It's easily the Warriors or all the crappy apartments that they lived in on Cosby Show and things of that nature. And I can't go to Brooklyn like Park Slope now and not be like, I'm in Cosby neighborhood because all the houses look exactly the same. But a definitely good show would have gone with that, absolutely. And then at 830 different world was Dwayne and Ron learned their lesson the hard way. When they pool resources for a paper on Rousseau's social contract, Ron doesn't research and Dwayne Ravels. It's a Dwayne Heavy episode. There is a Dwayne Heavy episode. There was a no-show that I knew a lot about the behind-the-scenes. Oh, yeah? Oh, my God. What's her name from the Cosby Show? Lisa Bonet. Lisa Bonet got fired. It was a big deal. I don't remember knowing that. I don't remember knowing that. I don't even know how I knew that. She got fired because she was an angel heart and had a pretty inappropriate scene for a different world. So she was fired from the show. And that's a show that I think improved when she was. I liked her character, but it got better when the show was more about this sort of side character. It's a very good show. That's probably why I didn't remember missing her. Because it was just like, "This show's better and I don't know why." And they added Sinbad and it's still better. I'm saying a lot. But eight o'clock cheers, I have two theories that I've developed talking to people about TV and just watching so much TV. One is that everyone who got the free TV guide in the newspaper also had a toaster oven. This seems to be a universal law that has yet to be broken. I don't know why. And the second one is I've never met anyone who didn't like cheers. Yeah, I've never met anyone who didn't like cheers either. Nobody. Everybody loves cheers. Yeah. And it's a great show. This isn't a Kirstie Ali era. Again, a show that replaced a major character, but some people think even got better, but at least stayed just as good. Love them both. Love them both. Have no issue with either. They just loved both eras. They're such very different characters too. Yeah, that was what was smart. They're so smart for them to go, "You know what? We need to create something completely different." And they just absolutely ended up hard. Absolutely. And I loved how Kirstie Ali, the longer that show went on, the more they seemed to write to her as an actress, where she became a complete lunatic. Yeah, it was great though. Because she was just very put together, businesswoman at first, and then it's like, "Oh, she's out of her mind." Unraveling. Unraveling of that character, Rebecca. She's the most unstable character in that whole show. Yeah. Absolutely great show. And then here's this sort of weird thing. At 8.30, would you have watched "Dear John?" No, I've never seen "Dear John." So "Dear John" - Is that Judd Hirsch? Judd Hirsch. It was a remake of a British series called "Dear John." That was about this man who's left with a "Dear John" letter and then joins a support group for lonely adults called the one-to-one club. Yeah. And it's very sad, especially the British one. So they kind of redid it as a much more... I remember the opening title and then turning it immediately on. Yeah. But for some reason, because it was after tears, I remember it, like, before I had a chance to change the channel, I was here. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't the best opening. Yeah. It was a show that I watched, but this one, the game comes up with a comeback idea for Rick that has been a rock singer, a '60s nostalgia benefit, and a cafeteria, but it had a great ensemble cast. It sounds so sad. It does sound bad. It sounds like the reason I didn't watch it in that description. I'm getting more and more envious of all the things you had the foresight to not pull your brain with as a kid, because you missed out on some real stuff that's out of your rhythm. All I had when tears ended was that I would have watched a half-hour of the Serpent and the Rainbow. That would have disturbed me. I do love that movie. It's gonna be shut up. Don't get me wrong. That and the Believers. Oh, the Believers. That was around the same time for me, where it was like, "Why am I watching this again? This is horrifying. Why can I not take my eyes off of it?" It's in Satanism specifically, was it saying that really scared you? Well, horror movies in general, for sure, but yeah, I think just anything paranormal like that, and somehow both of those were very much the sort of like, "I don't know why I'm watching this again, but I can't." I can't. Yeah, but hang on. Those are both discoveries on cable, I imagine. You didn't see them in the theatre. Correct. I separate in the room and terrify me, especially when the snake comes out of the bride woman's mouth. Yeah, all of it. In the dinner scene. But that was based on a non-fiction book. It was a fact-based movie. 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