TV Guidance Counselor
TV Guidance Counselor Episode 12: Angie C
No. I just like to read the TV guide. Read the TV guide. You don't need a TV guide. Hello, welcome to yet another episode of TV Guidance Counselor. My name, as always, is can read, and I am your TV guidance counselor. Thank you so much for coming back to the podcast. If you've been here before, if this is your first time, welcome. I think you'll enjoy the show. My guest this week is a good friend of mine, Angie C. I've known Angie for probably 15 years now. Oh, Jesus, 15 years since we worked together at WFNX, which was a local alternative rock station here in the Boston area. If you're not from here, I also want to highly recommend the documentary called We Want the Airwaves, the story of WFNX. It's a great story. It's fascinating. Even if you have never heard of FNX, it's a really interesting take on the way the world is changing now and the way that our radio and the way we get media has changed. It's a really good story. So anyway, Angie's a great friend of mine. She's very funny. She's a great DJ. And we really share a very, very similar broken brain with television. I hope she doesn't get offended with me saying that. I think it's true. We're very similar looking, very similar relationship with television. So I think you'll enjoy our chat. So please enjoy this week's episode of TV Guidance Counselor. ♪ Tell my little room ♪ ♪ Tell my little baby what I am ♪ ♪ Tell my little boy ♪ ♪ Tell my little boy ♪ ♪ Tell my little girl ♪ I'm awesome. Thank you so much for doing this show. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you. Tell me by the house again. It's always nice to have guests. We don't have enough guests at our house. You have the best house ever and at some point I'm just going to move in. All right, that's fine. We do have a guest room. We probably wouldn't notice. If you lived under a stack of rolling stones, we may not notice for up to six months. I could put like a sleaze stack in front of me and just not move when you guys were walking around. Yeah, you feel like Toy Story or something. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. So you picked a TV guide from the week of November 22nd to the 28th, 1986. What drew you to this particular issue? Well, my birthday is November 21st. So that's really what kind of got me. I have noticed a lot of people gravitate towards their birthday week. Interesting. And I don't know if that's because did you watch more TV on your birthday? It's just a more memorable week probably. I think that the lovely pink Charlie's Angels cover was my first attraction to that particular TV guide. Yeah, this has a really great pharah faucet-centric cover, which people will see on the tumbler. But my favorite thing about this cover is the subtitle. It says "Pharah Faucet from Charlie's Angels to a Venging Angel." And here's the best part. This week, she's a Nazi hunter. Yes, her short but brilliant career outside of Charlie's Angels, but pre-burning bed, I'm assuming. Yes, burning bed I think was 89. Yeah. So this is Nazi hunting pharah faucet, which sounds like a parrot, like a some sort of sc TV sketch. This is true. Yeah. But I have not seen the movie The Beat Clark's Feld Story, which is apparently the movie that they are speaking of here, where she is a Nazi hunter. And there's a still from it on the cover where it looks like she's about to slap a Hugh Heffner-looking guy who I assume is an old Nazi. Yeah, I completely didn't pay attention to that part at all. I don't think you missed anything. Okay. So eight o'clock would you go with? I went with Facts of Life. Yeah. I mean, how can you not? You had to. Yeah. It's 86. This is the my favorite seasons of Facts of Life when Chloris Leechman actually took over for Mrs. Garrett. Which a lot of people didn't like, but I enjoyed Chloris Leech. It was a tough transition. It wasn't easy. It was, but here's the glue that made it so much easier, George Clooney. That's true. One of his finest roles. George Clooney as George, the smug neighbor. And a lot of people think he's the one that defloured one of the girls, because that's the whole thing, which one? Yes. You know, over and over again, that trivia is always who lost the virginity on Facts of Life and who defloured. It was Natalie, of course, it's a chubby girl, because we all get the boys early. But also, it was not George Clooney. No, it was Snake. It was Snake, AKA. DeMone. DeMone. Yes. He, Fast Times, or it's not. He owns a coffee shop in Atlanta, Robert. It's not Robert Russell. It's Robert something. He's from Providence, Rhode Island. Yeah. Robert something. I can't remember his last name. But they were originally wrote that where Blair was supposed to lose her virginity, and she refused to be in the episode because she's a crotter. Yeah. I have her album from 1988, which is all dance pop songs about Jesus. And she was just recently trying to get her career back now that she's divorced. Yes. She has a website about how to raise your children and homeschool them and all that kind of stuff. You know, put hot sauce in her eyes. She was a survivor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was not even alive. She was on Survivor. Yeah. And like, that was the whole thing is that she didn't want everybody to recognize her at first. I was like, how do you not recognize Blair? Oh, was it? Was it even celebrity survivors? No. Regular survivor? Wow. She was trying to covertly be on Survivor. Yeah, she's trying to, she was trying to kickstart her career. And that was the first thing, post divorce. You know what better she did? Better kickstart for her as if she joined Survivor. If she just was the new front person for Survivor. Yeah. I think she would have really skyrocketed. Yeah, you're probably right. She already has music for her. It's half done. It's half done. So this particular episode, Joe offers to marry an illegal alien in order to keep the man from being deported. Classic, classic, plotline. I know. And, and I, while I don't remember this specific episode, I will say this, I always knew Joe was a lesbian. Always, always. I never got the lesbian. I always got the lesbian thing. I mean, even though she had dalliances here and there was some sort of long distance thing, I think early on with somebody from the hood. Yeah. The old, she just always struck me as the girl that was going to be named later as a lesbian. Is it because she dated Paul Provenza in the last season? That not was standing. That might have had something to do with. No, she was just a classic no makeup hair and a pony. Yeah. Leather jacket. Very simple. And she always had the last two seasons, the most makeup. She was full on raccoon eyes, huge hair. But it was almost like too much. She protests too much. Yes, exactly. Now, I think that's, that's not inaccurate. I think it was fair. It'd be fair to say had the show been on now. Yeah. There would have been the out lesbian episode. Yeah, I think so. If it had gone that one final season, we would have seen it. I love the show Saturday night, NBC, absolutely, I watched the whole night. So I definitely would have been on board with that as well. 830, what'd you go with? I went to 27 only because there wasn't a lot else there for me to choose from. And I did love the Jack A. I do love to 27, but I will argue that there was plenty to choose. All right. Well, tell me what at 830, I should have been watching. Sledgehammer. I don't remember that. So Sledgehammer was great. It was a sort of a parody of the dirty hair movie starring David Rashi, who was in in the loop, the movie version before Veep from last year. The glaze look on my face. Yes. I should tell you, I know not. That's why. So this was a very, very funny show. It was hammer gets a dream assignment when he poses as a violent cop with no regard for the law in order to catch a group of vigilante's. It was a really weird show. It was very broad. It was Alan Spencer, who was sort of a protege at Mel Brooks. Okay. He did a show called Bullet to the Face last year. Oh, he's a very funny comedy writer. He's a famous Hollywood script doctor. So it was like a comedy? It was a comedy. Yeah. Oh, okay. It was basically like Dirty Harry meets police squad, but not his mad magazine. And I think that's why I didn't like it. It seemed a little too parody over the top for me. But normally, I don't like that kind of thing. It was I was probably skewed a little bit more prepubescent, I imagine, because it was a little broad, but it had a great Danny Elfman theme song. So yeah, I always watch two to seven. But at this time, I definitely probably, if I had to choose between two to seven, it's a little bit more to go with sledgehammer. But Jackie hilarious. It doesn't like Jackie. And I'm not a big Marla Gibbs fan. I'll tell you that she doesn't seem like a nice person. No, she doesn't. But I love how Williams, we have an autograph photo of how Williams in this house in a frame. That's very impressive. And he signed Hell Williams actor. It's the only other I've seen where the person felt the need to sign their profession. There must be more than one. It's true. So in this episode, Mary and Sandra, as partners in a pillow business, it's true. But maybe not for long when Mary realizes that Sandra has all the cushy jobs. The problem I think here was since Marla Gibbs was a producer of the show, she didn't realize that she was not a likable character. Right. And she was always having them do plots where it was like, it's me versus Sandra, I'm not going to be rooting for me. And nobody. Nobody ever? No, never. I wanted Jackie to win everything. Yes. You ever heard the sort of infamous story about how Marla Gibbs screwed Jackie over? No, but please tell. So when Marla Gibbs was on The Jeffersons, she had her day job working at a travel agency the whole time she was on The Jeffersons. Oh, wow. So she's like a very, I'm not getting screwed over. Yeah. And money kind of thing. Practical. Practical. Very practical. But almost pathologically practical. Okay. So when she was supposed to get her spin off, because she was a huge breakout character on that show, she really went over the contracts and basically made them right into her contract that if the show at the pilot spin off didn't get picked up, she'd be brought back to The Jeffersons guaranteed at double her salary. So basically she was like the Chuck Berry. Yes. Of television sitcom. Yes. Someone has suitcase full of cash and you provide the band. Yes. Absolutely. And so she kind of learned the ins and outs of how the spin off worked in that negotiation. So in order to screw Jackie over, she sort of waved a spin off in front of her and made sure that the contract stated that if the spin off didn't work, she was not allowed to come back to two, two, seven. Wow. And so that's what happened that she did the Jackie spin off. It didn't get picked up. And she was not allowed back. And she was replaced by about eight other characters like Pollenfield and very syllable. And it went. No, the writing was on the wall. There's no need for Stoney Jackson. You can't replace Jackson. Stoney Jackson, not a Jackson. And not Stonewall Jackson either. I would have watched two, two, seven if they just introduced the ghost of Stonewall Jackson as one of the guests. Like he was hunting the apartment building would have been a fantastic twist on that show. I agree. So remember this episode again, it's it's disappointing that Jackie doesn't win. And I think everyone felt that. So nine p.m. would you go with? Okay. So this is where you're going to hate me. I just wrote down. I did not watch the Golden Girls. You're not a fan of Golden Girls. No, never. I mean, it's okay. I've seen bits and pieces and rerun or whatever. But it just it really rang too close to like hanging out with my nana. And you know, I love my nana. And do that all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So this is a beloved show. I know it is. People love it. But I can understand not wanting to watch a show about senior ladies as a teenager. That does not sound appealing. Yeah, especially was it Blanche. Blanche. Um, you know, she was a whore. And she was my nana's age. And I could not. Now I have zero problem. Right. But you know, as a teenager, I couldn't know. You don't want to think about elderly people being into town. No, no. And if you looked at the statistics about retirement homes in the gonorrhea, it's extremely hot. Yeah, it's really bad. Well, that's the funny thing. I recently moved back from L.A. and I went out and I had dinner with my aunt Juney. And we were at a local watering hole that she and her friends hang out with on Thursdays. And she said to me, you know, she's telling me all this one hooked up with this one and this one. And I said, but you guys are old. Yeah, how does that go? She said, listen, Angela, you just get older. Yeah, that's it. You're not actually get wiser. Yeah. You know, we all still do the things we did in our 20s and 30s. We're just older doing them. And it's kind of horrifying. That's not really comforting at all. Yeah, I know. And maybe if they had watched Golden Girls, they would learn the lessons that they were at the insurance. So I think it's understandable. It was a quality show, but just not appealing. It was not for me. And I did want to make a note that at 10 o'clock, I would have been completely on board for Spencer for Hire. My absolute favorite show ever said. I really have a Spencer for Hire crew parking placard. Oh, I have a theory that I think if I put that in my car to this day, I could probably still park anywhere I want. I think you're probably right. I think Hawk by far was one of the greatest badass characters. Yeah, he just he was realistic, scary as shit, if I can say. Absolutely intimidating. Yeah. But yeah, like very intimidating, very real. Well, he did wear floor length fur white coats. Anybody that looked like him in Boston at that time? Probably wear that. Yeah, that's true. Although, did you ever watch a man called Hawk to spin off? Not much now. He really lost the magic. I think he needed somebody to play off. Yeah, it was too much Hawk. And then they set it in New Orleans. And there was like a voodoo element, which seemed sort of offensive. Well, what's the first rule? Boston loves Boston. Yeah, you know, when you take it out of Boston? Well, one of the reasons Spencer for Hire got canceled was because of the Union's strong arming them. And the show got too expensive for them to film, which is why they didn't film anything here for almost 20 years until the film commission could kind of fix what they broke on Spencer for Hire. Right. Everything in Boston and New York was shot in Vancouver. Yeah. And they actually made a bunch of Spencer for Hire TV movies in the mid 90s, if you remember, that was shot in Vancouver, which was ridiculous. It's very sad. I hate when they do that. It does not look like Boston. And that show was so reliant on location shooting. Although also, I know we probably both know a lot of scumbags in Boston. If Spencer for Hire was correct, if that was an accurate show, they would all be dead because he murdered 45 thugs every single episode. Yeah, there was there was a high body count. There is not I mean, there's not that many scumbags here wherever you also can't make that show today. I don't think you don't think you can make Spencer for Hire? I don't know. I feel like I'm surprised they haven't tried to do Spencer for Hire now, given all the sort of McMob and Boston movies. Well, let's do it. We'll do one, but it's Spencer's like illegitimate daughter. Yes, Spencer Spencer's daughter for Hire. But at that point, we might get into Veronica Mars territory. That's true. Not if she murdered people. Not if she had a big gun. Yeah, we just make a show about Hawk's illegitimate daughter. Oh, no, see, there you go. Yeah, that was raised by Spencer because Hawk got killed. Weird. So on to something here. Yeah. I particularly enjoyed the Christmas episode of Spencer for Hire, which had a guest starring role by a young Seth Green. Oh my God. Yes, as a murder witness. Of course. That was also, I don't know if you experienced this growing up because you may have been just far enough outside of Boston that this may not have trickled up to where you were. But the two biggest lies that people told when I was growing up was one that you hung out with a Walberg, or either you or someone you knew was in an episode of Spencer for Hire. That came all the time. Yes, that's true. That happened to all the time. Oh, Malcolm. Malcolm was a killer on Spencer for Hire. It was, and you couldn't confirm it now. Because there was no internet and you couldn't, you'd have to tape all the episodes. In hindsight, a pretty good lie. If you're going to make a lie. That's true. In the real world, Boston House was the Spencer for Hire or Firehouse. I knew that it was a firehouse. I remember that. It's the Spencer for Hire or Firehouse. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Who was the paramour in Spencer for Hire? Susan Silverman. What else did she do? I can't remember. There's an episode of Seinfeld where George picks up a lady on the subway and she ties them up and steals his wallet. That's the only other thing she's done. Okay. And she was let go the second season. They had that poor replacement love interest. And then she came back for the third season when the third season had the awesome things on the day. You know, people look at me funny when I talk like this, but you are so much better than I am. It's not something I ever wanted. I didn't, why didn't ask for this? You know, do you know why this is? Because we had very young and experienced parents who left us in front of the television way too often. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And they did the best with what they had. I'm not saying you know what I mean? They tell me that all the time. There was no manual. I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. We smoked. We drank. Oh, yeah. We sat you in front of the television. Are you the oldest? Are you the oldest in your family? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, you got it. The worst. I got it. Yeah. You were the test. Yeah. Yeah. So you're, you're pretty much. And that's why we instantly became friends though. Yes. We just, we can, you know, finish each other. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So Spencer for higher Saturday night. I mean, I had to mention. Yeah. Absolutely. So, and I probably would have watched Golden Girls at nine, nine thirty. What'd you go with? I didn't. Nothing. No. Well, your, your choices, I will admit, are slim. You could have watched A Men, which was not my favorite Sherman House. I hated that. I didn't hate it. I would watch it, but I would have rather watched it Jefferson's or a Paul Uncle special. No. Yeah. Nobody wants to watch that. No. This is guest David Clayton Thomas joins Paul for a 50s medley. I do remember PBS was constantly having 50 like just. They still do that now. Do they still do it? Do they still do it? Do they still do it live? Would it be like Shana and Anna doing 50 songs and now they're a million years old? All right. Sunday night, eight o'clock. What'd you go with? I went with the movie. Is it the beat? Classford story? Nazi Hunter starring. Parafossit, which was on eight o'clock. I went with the only choice, which is real genius. Real genius is probably my all time favorite comedy. Yeah. I love real genius. I start. I remember seeing in the theater in 1985 when I came out and the beginning of that movie where it's the fake ad for the crossbow project. I got really angry with my father and I was like, we're in the wrong theater. Oh, right. Yeah. And he was like, this is the right one. I'm like, this is not real. This is Star Wars movie movie. But that movie, I always assume that everybody thinks that's the best comedy of all time, but I've come to the conclusion lately when I bring it up that most people haven't even seen it. I mean, I watched it probably 12 to maybe 20. I don't know. I mean, it's it's it's been a long time since I've seen it. I try to watch it at least once a year. But Debra Foreman was in it. Debra Foreman is in it. Who, by the way, friends on Twitter. She follows me on Twitter as well. Yes. It's kind of a big deal. It's not like the moment that she like, not only does she friend you, but she tweets to you as well. She's extremely nice. And that is a huge deal for her. Yeah, because Martha Coolidge directed both Real Genius and Valley Girl with one movie in between that most people forget the joy of sex, which was pretty good. It's a pretty good teen comedy and really sort of is a decent bridge with a missing link between Valley Girl and Real Genius, but was there released on DVD? It's kind of a forgotten film that she made. And she made that great movie playing clothes after Real Genius. That was her follow up with the undercover cop and it goes back to high school to investigate them framing for murder of his brother in Portland. The main guy in it, I've never seen anything else. He's a weird looking dude. Okay. What George went is in it. Oh, wow. Seymour Cassell is in it. Okay. There's a really good cast, Laura Dernher, her mother. Oh, oh, it's all something wild at heart. But anyway, she's in it. It's a pretty good cast and it's a pretty good movie that's there was a weird, I think we've lost this genre where you would have comedies and Real Genius falls into this as well that worked well as sort of thrillers. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there was a lot going on. You don't see that now. It's always just straight comedy and playing clothes is a great example of that because the sort of murder plot is genuinely sort of terrifying and engaging and the government conspiracy that's in Real Genius is a great plot. I also think the Real Genius was one of the, you know, there was that little burst of Val Kilmer movies. There was Top Secret. Top Secret Real Genius. Real Genius. You put Willow in there? I love Willow. I have a real soft spot for Willow. I really do. I think it was, it should have done much better than it did. They really promoted it. It had the full brunt of promotion. I know, but it just, it just never went anywhere. I, and this is my, this is my version of you not wanting to watch Golden Girls. I do not like Star Wars. I'm never going to do it. And I understand. And I think Willow is a good friend. Yes. I think Willow is a better movie. I think I think Mad Martigan is a better Han Solo. Absolutely. I, I think I would agree with that. It's, it's very difficult for me to say as a lifer Star Wars fan, but it's just fat. I think there was better chemistry between him and Joanne Wallie. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they were married. They were married for a while. Yeah. There was way more, you know, because there was a, you know, the thing with George Lucas is, you know, as Genius as I think he is in many ways, having a grasp on interpersonal romantic relationships. That seems cute. Yeah. That's, that's tough. And the only time those worked in the Star Wars movies when he wasn't writing them and wasn't writing that dialogue. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So what, he, what happened to Val Kilmer? Well, yeah. I, you know, he, Val constantly went up and down in weight, that's true, which was interesting. Sometimes, you know, Top Gun, obviously he was in fight and shape, right, fight and shape, but then would show up as a bloated mass in other movies. Is there a better smart ass than Chris Knight in Real Genius, though? He's like Sherlock Holmes. He's one step ahead of everybody. Yeah, he really is. And you know, was it last low? And I mean, everybody is great. I, I don't think there's a day that goes by where I don't make a reference to that movie. Yeah. And there's not a day that goes by when someone doesn't know what I'm talking about. There, I will tell you this. Every single time I go to a vending machine, I think of real ching in. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And then slicing up frozen, frozen nitrate or whatever it was to use as coin. It's such a quotable movie. Kent is such a great villain. Oh, yeah. Kent is great. Yeah. If you haven't seen Real Genius, there's something wrong with you and you need to see it. It's a great movie. Yeah. Just, just pause this, watch Real Genius. So that was my Sunday night. Yeah. I can't argue with that. I probably would have absolutely gone with that. There is a, a movie on that intrigues me though. And this was on at nine o'clock. This was made as a sort of backdoor pilot as a made for TV movie in the wake of Police Academy. Okay. And I've never seen this, but it's intriguing based on the ad. And it's called Combat High, made for TV 1986, Neil Israel, who wrote Police Academy and wrote Real Genius. Oh, okay. Weirdly. Directed this amiable slob comedy about an introvert prankster by Keith Gordon, who kind of disappeared as well. Okay. The kid from Christine, he's a director. Oh, very cool. Keith Gordon at a military academy readying for war games with Soviet cadets. George Clooney's also in this as a character named Biff Woods. Oh my god. Richard malls in it. Of course. Wally Ward, Robert Culp, Dana Hill. Robert Culp. Yeah. This, I want to see this. I don't want to do this at all. Clearly it was never picked up, but they were trying to capitalize on the, the height of Police Academy. Right. So '86, this would have been, I think, Police Academy 3, which was probably the, and I have to say, Police Academy, I remember the first movie. I remember knowing immediately the Bob Kecklethwaite was a breakout superstar. Yeah. He was in part two as the first one he was in. Okay. Where he played the villain, he was Zid. Right. Right. And that must have been the first one that I really got into. I don't think I remember Police Academy 1. The first one was very adult. There was like those hooker jokes and there's nude and there's a blowjob joke and all kinds of stuff where they sort of baby a fight, baby a fight it a little further down, just like they would avenge the nerds later. It was sort of an arreter. That's true. And we kind of get more and more through G. I so quote from a vendor, the nerds constantly and we'll drive by any sign that has a letter out. Immediately becomes the hotel correlation. Hotel correlation. I have a, I have a T-shirt that says the hotel correlation. It's just the neon sign. It's fantastic. Absolutely. And when people recognize it, it's like I made their day and it made my day. I had forgotten all about it and popped into my head maybe six months ago and I tweeted it. And that's all I wrote. I just wrote Hotel Coral Essex. And it was like I could immediately pick out the lifelong friends. I will have the rest of my life. Well litmus test. Yeah, absolutely. For friendship. If I were to say Hotel Coral Essex, I would do that. Fantastic. So Monday night, eight o'clock, what'd you go with? Kate and Allie. Yeah. Monday night, I was at dot CBS. I'm in for the two hours. Yeah. Day night. Kate and Allie is one of my all-time favorite shows. I still rewatch it to this day. It holds up. It's well written. They're great characters. And I think it was one of the few 80s sitcoms that was just about sort of dialogue and character. Yeah. Well rounded, sort of realistic characters. And I think that it would be hugely plausible today. In fact, it comes so close to like what my life could be now. Right. Post divorce. Yes. And not being able to. Yeah. And like, I mean, you know, one of my best friends and I used to joke about it like because she was going through a divorce at the same time. Like, we're going to have to Kate and Allie up at some point. And I think that I mean, I wonder how economies and things are cyclical. And I think that in the mid 80s, it was sort of equivalent to the mid to late 2000s when things started to crash. And to Golden Girls as well, the reason that they all lived together was because they had no money. Right. And they needed to sort of pair up. And so the same with Kate and Allie. And yeah, I'm surprised to show like this hasn't become a thing now. But one of my issues that I have with television now is that which sort of shifted in the late 90s is that there aren't any truly blue collars that comes anymore. Right. And everything's aspirational. And so having two single women who need to live together to be able to survive, I bet CEO exactly like, that's going to bum everybody out. No, he's going to want to watch that. But that's what makes interesting shows that are absolutely, you know, I don't know if people younger than us want things they identify with. I think they want things they aspire to. Well, yeah, no, no, and I can understand that. And I also find that there's this grand phenomenon going on with people of a younger generation that, especially in the radio community, college interns, when people come to intern at radio stations now, they don't even want to be shown how to do things anymore. What are they there for? They expect either they're there because it's going to look good later. Their parents want them to do something doing something. Or they think I deserve to have my own show. So I'm going to do that. Yes. But they don't want to actually do anything to get that new show. Yeah. No, you've tapped into exactly one of the issues I've noticed. There's a general. This is the old person talk. A portion of it. Yeah. And I am fully aware of that. But there's a sort of mindset with sort of millennials and younger words. I don't need to get better until I attain something. It's they have to come to me. I just need to be seen. Not, I need to get to a level where it's worth seeing. I just haven't been discovered yet. That's the problem. Right. It's sort of like when you're playing a video game and there's that little secret backdoor to jump. Yeah. And it's an issue for sure. Yeah. They're like, look, I'm the world's greatest carpenter. You should hire me to build your house. And it's like, if you ever learned how to build a house, no, no one's hired me to do it yet. Right. And then it's, but I know that I'm the best at it. But that and so they don't want to see shows where people are working hard either perhaps. That's probably a good point. Yeah. They want to see people who've already attained that level. Not that there aren't plenty of poor kids in that same age. Oh, absolutely. That are going and getting all the jobs that everyone else is. Yeah, they're busy working. Yeah. So this is a great episode of Kate and Allie. This night, Kate and Allie take a not so pleasant trip down memory lane when they were called their first meeting after a long separation. Allie was a suburban Connecticut housewife and Kate was living the life of a hippie in Greenwich Village. I always loved the flashback episodes of Kate and Allie because it really added to the sort of mythology and history of these characters. And when you see flashback episodes now or even after this, I think they rely too much on like, oh, they got 70s hair, you know, wherever that kind of joke. And this one, it's a really interesting character piece to see how different their lives were and how they'd grown apart from having grown up together and how they came back together again, which is really realistic and interesting. They're both very pregnant in this episode. They don't like each other at this point. And it's a really great episode. Well, it's very realistic. Absolutely. And you also have to keep in mind these two great actresses, Susan St. James and Jane Curtain, were both powerhouses themselves in the 70s. Oh, absolutely. On their own. And it was rare for actresses like that to make the transition into the sitcom for lack of a better. Oh, yeah. And you're also in 1985, you got a sitcom that stars two women in their 40s. Yeah. I mean, it was groundbreaking, really. Absolutely. And I don't think it gets enough credit. It's not on Hulu or they don't, it never reran all that much. No. You can only buy the complete series in Canada, which I did. Of course you did. The first season got released here. It's the only season that got released. And none of the kids we get went on to become hugely famous. I don't think. The girl who plays Jenny, whose name I apologize, I cannot remember. She's a big Broadway actress. I think she was Annie. And so she does a lot of plays and musical stuff now too. What was all filmed in New York? I think. Yeah, because they would always show up in like the Macy's Thanksgiving parade. You could tell which shows were shot in New York by which kids. It's like always the Cosby kids and the kids were good and gnarly. And the Q2Play chip I see in commercials every now and then. Okay. And I don't know. But yeah, there wasn't that sort of extra added reason to go back and give it another look. But I also think they weren't typical child actors too, which was probably good for them. They weren't in the headlines and the tabloids and that sort of stuff either. They kind of just grew up and became adults. So great show. Absolutely would have watched it. And I sadly would have passed up on TV 38, the movie Bloodbeach starring John Saxon, which is actually surprisingly a movie I've never seen. But I distinctly remember the poster for the movie, which was a girl being sucked into the same, which terrifies. Of course. Absolutely. That was enough for me. Don't need to see any else. 8.30, what'd you go with? I don't have an 8.30. I went right to 9.30 and 10. So what you passed up was the Thanksgiving special from Amazing Stories, which is probably my favorite episode. That was Spielberg, right? It was Spielberg. But this episode is very, very dark. It is one of the darkest-- Weren't they all dark? No, a lot of them were a little too whimsical and Spielberg-y. That was my problem with the amazing stories. Because I'm a huge Twilight Zone fan, genre limits fan. And Amazing Stories was like, someone such Twilight Zone in the movie and went, "Let's make a show that's all kick the can," which is the weakest segment of that thing. And so most of them were like that. But occasionally they'd have a really, really fun one. But then you've got the Matlock audience, you know what I mean? And you know, Angela Lansbury, all that stuff like that, that wheelhouse. Oh, the worst episode of Amazing Stories starts Andrew McCarthy. And he is trying to make his demented grandmother feel better by dressing up like her dead husband. Oh, good God. And it's-- That's a recipe for disaster. It's a nightmare. But this one-- I won't give it away, actually. I think people should really just check out this called Thanksgiving episode of Amazing Stories. And the twist in the ending is, sticks with me to the story. Really? Okay. I still think about it on Thanksgiving. Wow. It is really good and grim and weird. It has David Carradine and Kyra Sedgwick are the only two actors in this episode. It's a two-person episode. Really? It's very, very good. I'm very intrigued. Yes. I'll let you borrow it if you think about it. Okay. Also, you passed up My Sister Sam, which I used to watch. I never liked that show. I like Pam Dauber. You know, I like-- What's his name? Dr. Pepper. And from Midnight Madness, David-- Oh, David Naughton. You know, but the show was just infamous because Rebecca Shea forgot murder. Right. But it was a pretty light and kind of show. I just, after more Kim Mindy, Pam Dauber, for me, nah. You're like, "This isn't Mindy." No. I always like to just be like, "Oh, this is what Mindy did after more left her." Yeah. I mean, she had a great voice. Yeah. I felt like she probably could have gone if-- I don't know what she ended up doing after My Sister Sam. So she married Mark Harmon. Oh, that's right. She married Mark Harmon. And she's actually in the new show with Robin Williams, the crazy ones. She's doing a guest spot. And it's sort of a Mark Mindy reunion. Interesting. Yeah. She hasn't done a lot of acting in the last 10, 20 years. How is that show doing, by the way? I mean, I love Sarah Michelle Gellar. I love the Robin Williams. I'm not a fan. I like Robin Williams if he's used correctly. I think a lot of times they don't use him right. Did you see the world's greatest dad? No. Bob Hickold Thrick wrote and directed it, and Robin was amazing in it. And he's great. Don't get me wrong. He's an amazing actor. Yeah. I just-- you know, you are around enough comedians. Yeah. You hear all the bad stories. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And it just kind of takes-- it's a bad tasting amount. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I haven't actually seen the crazy ones, but there's a lot of behind the scenes people who I like, and I like the people on it. I follow it via Sarah Michelle Gellar's Twitter account, and it seems like they're certainly bringing enough people from everything else onto the show. Yeah, Pam Dauber, good example. Right. Or all of her old Buffy, castmates, and Angel, whatever, but it doesn't seem like the actual TV show is necessarily that great. It's just a stunt vehicle? Yeah, yeah. I, as a kid, and I guess this was sort of before fan fiction, I always, for some weird reason, thought it would be really cool to have a show with Pam Dauber and Joyce Dewitt as like detectives. That was always my go-to. If it was like a pairing up of people, they were like-- I could see that. Well, you know, because Pam Dauber was more the girl next door, and Joyce Dewitt had a salty, sexy side to her. Yeah, I don't know if they were like sisters, or like, I don't know how they knew each other, something like that. That might work today. We can do like a new Cagney and Lacey type thing with Pam Dauber and Joyce Dewitt. We're just throwing out a million dollar pitches three into these. We really are. Somebody's gonna pick all this stuff up. So 9 p.m. would you go with? 9 p.m. would you go with? 9 p.m. would new heart. Absolutely. I do. Maybe my favorite sitcom of the 80s. Yeah. And people think this is wrong, but better than the Bob Newhart show. Agreed. Again, I think we were a little too young for the Bob Newhart show. Yeah, it was a very dumb show. True. But I think he was used better in Newhart. It was a little more relatable. It had a lot more laughs, I felt. Yes. Also, we're probably a little biased being New Englanders. Yeah, that's true. I loved, you know, the Darryls and all that stuff, but then, you know, the snootie. Julia Duffy. Yeah. She was great. I mean, she was perfect. Always hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Newhart's great. This episode is at the end, one disaster follows another until everybody's ready to take Thanksgiving and stuff it. This is a very funny episode. Newhart did three Thanksgiving episodes. This is probably my favorite one where Dick sort of accidentally volunteers his wife Joanna to make Thanksgiving dinner for the entire town. Oh, right. Yeah. And she ends up having to make something like 38 turkeys. I actually thought Mary Frame was a really good comedic actress who was totally underrated. Yeah. She used to host, like Miss America and a lot of parades and stuff. Wasn't she initially some sort of beauty queen or something? I don't know, but probably. Yeah. But she was really funny on this show and she was totally underrated. She never gets, when people name the sort of ensemble cast of people they loved in Newhart, she's always on the bottom. And I think that's true. Yeah. But to be fair, it's a really good ensemble cast. I mean, Peter Scallari is very funny. Right. It's really good. And William Sanderson of Blade Runner was, of course, Larry and the Darryl's. So yeah, I absolutely would have watched that every week and nine thirty. I had to go with designing women. And I don't know if it was more me or my mom, but it was, it was always on. It's a great show. It was a really fun show. I think that's a great show. So designing women, this was the last season that it aired on Monday nights on CBS, but then moved to Thursdays and it was replaced with the Kavanaugh's, which is a show I did not enjoy in this slot. But this is a great episode. A visit from Julia and Suzanne's mother and suspicious that sugar bakers delivery men may have murdered a client makes for an exciting Thanksgiving day. Suspicions rather, sorry. So this one has Perky, who was always fun when she shows up. There's a murder mystery. This is a fine Thanksgiving one. I actually watched this episode every Thanksgiving as well in my Thanksgiving episode blitz. Because as people know, I do have Excel grids with all of the holiday episodes. And this is on there. I would have watched designing women, but I should point out that the Phil Silver Show was also on, which is one of my all 10 favorites it comes. I may have flipped back and forth. Okay. And was Michelle Taylor, Michelle Taylor, was he in all of the designing women? Or was he wrong later? No, he was in all of it. So he's in the first season. I really liked him a lot. Yeah, it had all the elements of sort of an ab fab southern freak show. Yes, but it sort of always bubbled under. Yeah. You know what I mean? And the thing I always had a really visceral aversion to the southern shows, which isn't really a break that you get now. But I remember when we were growing up, there was definitely southern TV nights, you know, it would be Well, Dallas, the Duda Hasner. Oh, sure. Oh, they were definitely the worst. They were mama's family, which I think was the worst sitcom of all time. And there was very southern shows and designing women sort of broke me out of that because I love it was a really good show. And they were all smart women. They're all smart, very funny. Delta Burke was so funny. Annie Potts is one of my all time favorites. I'll watch Annie Potts and absolutely. Well, they could all act circles around each other. I mean, it was fantastic. Absolutely. I've read all their autobiographies. Dixie Carter's very Dixie Carter's is mostly just her talking about weird home remedies for being very sick. Isn't she married to Hal Holbrook? Yes. Yes. Yes, she was. Hal Holbrook from Massachusetts. It's still alive. Yes. Yes. What's in that movie with Matt Damon and what's his face where they're coming to town, fracking? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. I can't think of the name of the movie, but I couldn't believe I mean, he's turned into an old lady, but still alive, still acting, doing great. He's great in Creepshow, where he is married to Adrian Barbo and has her be eaten by a monster. Uh-huh. I remember that. Perfect role for him. Just an honorary mention for Monday night, Matt Houston at 10. I never watched Matt Houston. I loved Matt Houston. I'll tell you why. He, Magnum PI was, again, always on in my house. This was a private detective show, Matt. Yeah. But Matt was a sort of a more beefed up version of Magnum PI, which is more in my wheelhouse, and I think that's why I liked it. You want like a more buff Magnum PI? Yeah, yeah. And this took place in Houston, apparently, which I didn't know. I just remember him being very attractive, and I was a teenager, so that was the end of that. Was Matt Houston played by Lee Horsley? Yeah. Okay, what a friggin name. Lee Horsley. Well, Lee Horsley showed up in the Quentin Tarantino movie that came out two years ago with the... Doris Bastards, Django Kill. Django. Is Lee Horsley, isn't that? He is in Django. Is he playing Matt Houston? I literally yelled at the screen. I was like, what are you talking about? And they were like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, who's Lee Horsley? Yeah. I was like, badass. So, in this episode, five famous people come to Houston's office for a party, but he doesn't know who invited them, or why they're being systematically murdered. I want, based on that description alone, I'd watch this. Yeah, sure. Systematic murder. Yeah. Tuesday night, eight o'clock, what'd you go with? Who's the boss? Who's the boss? I always mention it as a show I watched every week, but did not enjoy. And I kind of feel similarly, the woman's name was Angela. Yes, Judith Light. And Judith Light, I loved as Karen Black in One Life to Live. That's true. So, she was already a member of my family, because again, we're growing up with parents that kept us in front of the television. You were a big soap opera fan. A huge soap opera fan, because that's what I did with my mom, because of all the younger siblings. I'm going to go check the laundry, you watch it, whatever. It was always on. I watched Santa Barbara. Oh, okay. Yeah. I got into Santa Barbara a little bit, but that wasn't on, and that came on later. It wasn't a staple. I remember I got my mother in trouble once, because she used to go sun tanning every week. This won't surprise you. And my dad, they got in an argument or something about the sun tanning, which I think Robin Wright was on. Yes. Yes, she was. She was. And there was a guy with an eye patch. And so, I used to watch it every day. And then they got an argument on sun tanning, which I don't think was for health reasons. I think it was for money reasons. And my father was like, "You can't go sun tanning anymore." And so, my mother still went anyway. I want to be like, "Don't tell your dad we're at sun tanning." Oh, sure. And I would sit and watch Santa Barbara on the TV. And I remember I was reading dinner, and I was like, "Oh, I'm Santa Barbara today." And I started talking about that. My dad's like, "Where are we watching Santa Barbara?" And I was like, "I'm sun tanning." And then I was like, "Oh, no!" And she was very mad. Listen, how do you hide sun tanning from your husband by the by? Because she was just permadeark. Oh, okay. I don't think. Yeah, it was. So, who's the boss? Judith Light was on the soap barber, so that's why you tuned in. Yeah. And Tony Dan's like, he had his charms. He had his moment. I mean, I like the way he said, "Angela." Angela. Angela. Yeah. Yeah. And Mona. Mona was great. Mona's great. I think everyone agrees. Mona had a fill to spin off as well. Yeah. Much like Jackie. Do you remember that? But Judith-- Because Mona was an old bra with big booms, and it was kind of scary. It was horny all the time. The same way that Guiding Light-- I mean, Guiding Light. Golden Girls. Yeah. But somehow that was more sexy and less creepy, and I'm not really sure why. Yeah, sure. Maybe it's because Rumaclanahan was southern. Yeah. It was that sort of cat on a hunting roof nature of her stuff that was very off-putting. Mona was a little more discreet. And we all knew the little dude was gay, which is kind of cool, you know. So that was nice. You knew he was going to grow up and be a nice gay, Connecticut boy and whatever. He's the kid in Koojo. I remember being very bored during Koojo. Well, it's a movie about people trapped in a car for two hours. Yeah. I thought it was going to be a movie about a dog. A killer Saint Bernard. A killer Saint Bernard. That's what everybody wants to see. That's on the cover of the book that I wasn't allowed to read. Yeah. And no, it's a think piece. It really is. Although D. Wallace, very good in it. Agreed. Although, you know, I still prefer What's Her Face from Close Encounters over D. Wallace. And they were sort of interchangeable. Yeah. They were the rivals for a while. Yeah. And yeah. D. Wallace, there was sort of a, I would put D. Wallace, Judith Light. They're all kind of in the same category of like upwardly mobile, vaguely upper middle class, blonde women from the 80s. That is true. However, if you knew Judith Light's character on One Life to Live, you may think differently. Was she like a villainous? Well, not necessarily, but she had survived a rape and she had been, she had been through hell, essentially. So she had kind of a dark side to her. So when you were a kid, did you have trouble reconciling on that she wasn't the same character on Who's the Boss? Yeah, because she's kind of ditzy, ditzy blonde on Who's the Boss. She had been like this almost anti-hero on One Life to Live. So yeah, that was definitely. But again, Samantha, you know, the whole Brooklyn girl. So this episode, Angela's romantic weekend in Maine, sure, we've all had that, is snowed out. And she returns home to find Tony with an attractive women from his old neighborhood. Well, it was the it was the back and forth. It took forever for those two to get together. I thought it was the least interesting will they won't they on television? Well, it's definitely, if you're going to categorize them, it's at the bottom of the list for sure. Sam and Diane, and you know, we're lining it. Yeah, it was it was so uninteresting that when it did happen, it didn't change the dynamic of the show. Yeah. 830, what'd you go with? 830 with Growing Paints. One of my favorites. And this is from season two, great season season three and four really my favorite seasons. But this one tired of being considered a goody two shoes, Carol encourages rumors that she's doing more in her bedroom with the captain of the football team than tutoring him. This is a great one. She starts dating Bobby, the captain of football team because she's tutoring him about Romeo and Juliet. And then she basically implies to her friends that they did it. Now, is this before she had the eating disorder? I believe it had started at this point, but it wasn't really noticeable on the show. So season four, five, and later, they started writing her out a little bit. Her voice was very hoarse because of that. And she definitely didn't look well. I also feel like I can, I can cut those. Well, you can cut them into several sections, Growing Paints. Obviously, this the Leo DiCaprio years. Yes. So that was the last two seasons. And then there's the Brower. When they made the mom a reporter. Yes. Like that for me was a little too much. So I love Growing Paints kind of before it was her name Maggie. Maggie Malone from Medford Mass. Yeah. It was too much. It was too unrealistic for me. And so I didn't enjoy it. But that happened in a lot of TV shows, even on Newhart, actually, because Newhart was a when the show started, he was a writer of how to books. And then they gave him a TV show and made him a. Oh, yeah, that's right. And that happened on so many shows. Well, we're seeing. And yeah, if you were a writer, now you have a TV show. Yeah. You know, I think growing up, I didn't know anyone with a TV show. It was almost like they had their characters when the lottery in one form or another at some point. Yeah, it was we almost saw that sort of aspirational switch mid show. Yeah. And yeah, Growing Paints was a fun show. This is a coach loving episode, which obviously a lot of guys in there. And this this deferred these two seasons were some of the best sort of family sitcoms of all time. I also loved Mike Siever's friends, you know, Devoner and all that. Yeah. Eddie. Yeah. When he was really just sort of a rascal. Yeah. As opposed to later when he got all God's quality. Yes. Yeah. This episode, he gets in a fight defending Carol's honor. Very nice. Yeah. Nine o'clock. What'd you go with? I went with moonlighting. Yeah. There's no question. I had to do moonlighting. Yeah. This episode is maybe the most famous episode of moonlighting. This is the Shakespeare episode. Oh, the Kiss Me Kate. Yeah. With apologies to Shakespeare, a boy hoping to watch moonlighting, but forced to study the bards taming of the shrew imagines David as patricio, the fellow who strikes the deal to woo and team a shrewish woman to get a payoff from her father. This is this episode completely blew my mind. Yeah. Because it was, I mean, they always sort of broke the fourth wall here and there with moonlighting. Right. But this one blew it out of the water. I mean, it was it was such a groundbreaking television show. And the fact that the care, the secondary actors, the secondary roles that pesto and I mean, just all of it was wonderful. And they even show this episode to kids in school about the taming of the show. Right. Well, and I got into the story of the taming of the shrew via this episode as well as the musical Kiss Me Kate, starring Grayson and Howard Keel. Yes. And 10 things to hate about you, which is also the taming of the show. Right. It's a great story. Yeah. And it's a it's always a good indicator of a story on how many different interpretations it holds up well with. Sure. And the moonlighting was great. And how crazy is that to do a Shakespeare episode of a show? Anyway, let alone the in is a kid trying to watch the show that you're watching. Like the levels of reality was was seen elsewhere. And not all hits either. I remember them doing the bizarre episode of from the viewpoint of like the baby she was carrying. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, of theirs. Like once they finally got together, the show was pretty much, you know, down. And you could appreciate that they were trying to do something different even when it didn't always work. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I mean, she he was getting to a place where he I mean, he well, the return of Bruno was huge. Forget that diehard was on last night. And those. And he did you know that he originally turned down the role of diehard? Yes. And only went back when Civil Shepard got pregnant. Yes. Yeah. And also his fine wine cooler commercials. Well, yeah. I mean, he was in the first episode of the new Twilight Zone, actually. I didn't know that. So called Shatterday. And it's when he was still mostly known for comedies. Like I love blind date. Yeah. Blind date was great. And it's a really. It's more or she's allergic to alcohol, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. John Larkette is very, very good. John Larkette's good. And everything. Yeah. But I still I forgot John Larkette was in stripes. Oh my God. He just comes on the screen and I start a summer school. He's in meatballs too. Yeah. I don't know how John Larkette didn't become a movie star. I well, I have a theory about certain people like this. Okay. And my theory is that something was going on, that they were hiding whatever drugs, homosexuality. It doesn't really matter what it is. Well, he's he was recovering alcoholic, but he had been in the program by the time he had. I kind of feel like there there are certain people in in the Hollywood community that are so talented and you're like, why didn't they get murder somebody? Yeah. What is it that didn't get them from point A to point B and usually somewhere along the line, they're hiding something and it just doesn't ring true, even if it's on a subconscious level. Okay. Do you know what I'm saying? John Larkette just there was something wrong. There could have been something or he could just have been a jerk in real life and didn't necessarily get the roles that you know, I don't quite meet him, but I did interact with him when I was seven years old. He was filming the movie Second Sight with Brunson Pinchot. You know, I love that movie. You know, I love everything about that movie. It's expensive for hires. Same thing we're shooting around there. And so I went because I love them both and I went into town with my uncle and we went and saw them shoot a scene behind the barriers and he came over and he said, good morning, everyone. He like bowed to everyone and said hello to us and I was like, he's a good guy. Well, he'll come up in conversation later in the week. So Wednesday night, eight o'clock, what'd you go with? Perfect strangers. Perfect strangers. Again, a show that I watched every week would not consider my favorite shows, a little slapstick. A hundred percent with you. This episode, a racketeer who tricked Balki into making illegal deliveries for him threatens the boys lives if they testify against him in court. Yeah, it was it was way too like Lucille, like Lucy, an apple. Very big. Very big. And they they reinvented that show almost every season for the first four seasons. Yeah. Yeah. They were the the apartment design was different. They had different jobs where they didn't reference the job they had the last season and just got but I watched it all the time. And especially at this point, when really the only other thing you had to watch this night at eight o'clock was Highway to Heaven, a show that I ate. Yeah, I was never. Yeah. I'm not gonna go there. This episode is Jim Kelly in it though, as a gas station attendant. Interesting. So eight thirty would you go? Oh, well, I went with head of the class. I love head of the class. I still love head of the class. Yeah. It's a great show. Dennis Blunded. Dennis Blunded. He runs Hollywood now. I know. That's so crazy. He basically is. I mean, he's Ricky. Yes. Right. Yes. From federalist debt. I mean, that scene where he loses his balloon. Yes, he does a little jump. He does the little jump is like one of the best comedians. Yes. Oh, absolutely. She Ricky, I'm so much. Sorry, your mom blew up. Guess you won't be able to eat solid foods for a while. This is a Thanksgiving episode as well. I actually, I think I like Billy Connolly a little better than Howard Hesman. I love Billy Connolly. But I think that the ensemble cast of the students was not as good. If you could have put Billy Connolly in the first few seasons of the other class, that show would have been even better. Because who was who was the Robin Gibbons? Robin Gibbons. You had Danche Nider, obviously Brian Robbins, and Tony Odell, who was sort of the Republican. Oh, right. Right. And then Rain Pryor came in later. Yeah. I mean, I didn't dislike Rain Pryor, but there was a little stunt thing stuck casting there. Daniel Frischmann, who was Arvid Ingan. Right. He does music now and writes children's books. Oh my God. And still probably has that nose. I'm sure he does. Yeah. So this episode, Charlie gets more Thanksgiving invitations than he can handle after his own plans fall through, but where he ends up is far from a holiday celebration. So this one, he ends up at a Chinese restaurant alone. And he also happens to be in the same Chinese restaurant where Dr. Samuels is alone. And they have Thanksgiving dinner together at a Chinese restaurant. And that's how the episode ends. And it's kind of a down note that's like weirdly bittersweet. Huh? Because Howard Hesman was a very sad character in the show. Yeah. He was a failed actor who had moved from the Midwest to New York to be an actor and failed at it. And it was now teaching history. He was sort of a ex hippie, right, of idealist who was sort of now living in this real world. Yeah. And it was an interesting, again, you had this show was about smart kids in a sort of lower income area. And it was an interesting take on that sort of thing. And they had real problems, and there was a conflict. Well, that's the thing. And that's why you fell in love with the characters because they just weren't the cookie cutter normal. Absolutely. Yeah. It wasn't just high school kids being wacky. Right. It was a little bit of edge to it. So nine o'clock, what'd you go with? Oh, nine o'clock, I went with Magnum PI. Again, this is one of those choices that wasn't really mine necessarily parents. Did you only have one team in your house? Um, at that point, yes. Okay. So that was it. Did you vote? You know what? There was an additional TV, but it was in the kitchen. Okay. And it was something that you really couldn't watch unless your head was right up against it. Right. Little black and white. Yeah. So by that point, it was more about my parents and my parents had recently gone to Hawaii for the first time. And then once you go to Hawaii, you become obsessed with Hawaii for at least a year. They're so obsessed that Hawaii Five O had to be on every afternoon. Yeah. And Magnum PI was absolutely must watch TV. Well, have you seen our bathroom down here? No. It's a Hawaii themed bathroom. That's what happened to us. We didn't watch my new PI. We just did our bathroom over like Hawaii. There's a view master in there with Hawaii in it. So you can get there. But I understand that the reason we it was such a huge staple in my family that I can remember us playing charades as kids and my little brother Patrick coming out and doing like the best impersonation of Tom Selleck of Tom Selleck as Magnum PI where he comes out and he just goes Higgins. And you know, and he was like maybe seven. You know what I mean? You could still do it. Probably. Yeah. Probably. I got my wife for Christmas one year. I got her Magnum PI clothes hangers. So it's his face, you know, with a little hanger. I think she liked it. Yeah. So this one, while trying to save a girl who witnessed a hit, Magnum is captured and held on an isolated island. That's some intrigue. There was a lot of sort of almost bond like. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. The thing about Magnum and almost had the same problem Spencer for hire did where I was it was hard to believe there was that much crime in such a small place because it was Maui the smallest island. Yeah. And there's, you know, you can't kill that many henchmen. There'd be nobody left. And I think also I feel like they sort of dropped the ball towards the end where at some point they decide that Robin Masters is going to be Higgins. Yeah. And then they decided at the very end, not to. And in that way, I feel like you betrayed your audience. Yeah. Because you didn't stick with whatever the original plan was if there was an original plan, which was probably the writer who was planning those seeds left or got fired or whatever. I always wished that they had like the reveal of lost had had something to do with Magnum PI. That would have made much more sense. So I sadly would not have gone on Magnum. When I did watch it, I watched the 4 p.m. reruns. I would have gone give me a break. It was the final season of Give Me A Break. This is when they stand that I loved it, loved it. And this is when they moved to New York. They tried to be invented. They introduced a second Lawrence brother at this point, which was they were desperate. Oh, yeah. So when Joey gets caught running numbers, so this is a 10 year old running numbers, Nell turns to the last person she ever thought she'd ask for help. They don't say who it is, but I don't know. I don't remember this episode. Whatever happened in Elkhartar? She died. What like? She died of diabetes. Oh, okay. She did a lot of Broadway as well. So she started as a Broadway actress. She was in, I think, as it ain't misbehaving. Yeah. And was a huge Broadway actress. She did give me a break. She had a show, a couple shows after that that never really took off. It was like her and kids were basically the teams of these shows. Then she went back to the stage in the 90s. And I think she died around in the early 2000s, late 90s. Okay. Interesting sidebar. I used to see Joey Lawrence all the time, and I lived in studios. Really? Yeah. Like a do-par's and stuff. Yeah. I never liked him. Yeah. I don't know anything bad about him, but something about him was just annoying. Well, he was like a mini Tony Danza. That's exactly what it is. That's never occurred to me. This is a huge breakthrough. That's what it is. And if they-- Whoa, me. Come on. Tony Danza and Joey Lawrence. Yes, identical. Wow. This is big time. Wow. I blew your mind. You did blow my mind, too. I'm very excited. So, 9/30, you're watching a full hour of Magnum PI, so you didn't have to pick it again. Yeah, no stuff. But I would have gone with you again, which was a show that starred Jack Klugman and John Stamos as father and son. Wow. It was a remake of a British show called Home to Roost, which was sort of a dark show about basically of an adult son moving back with their parents, again, back to this sort of economic troubles of the mid-80s. And in this one, a tie-in promotion between global markets and a benefit rock concert from Matt's college radio station gets attention from a morality patrol that objects to the band performing at the concert. Who is the band, do we know? This was the band that John Stamos was in within the show. Oh, okay. Because he always had to be in a band in his shows. Right. If you remember the first television show he was in with Jamie Gertz called Dreams, where they were a band called The Dreams, they actually released a soundtrack album. Well, that wasn't the first TV show he was on because he was on General Hospital. I'm talking prior time. I apologize. He was blackie before he was anyone. He was blackie? His name was blackie and he was the hottest thing on television at the time. More than Rick Springfield? Yes. Rick, not that Rick wasn't hot, but somehow John Stamos, first of all, Rick was already old when he was on General Hospital. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's up there. So he was just too unattainable as a teenager watching a soap opera. He felt like Noah Drake was really not, you were not going to be making out in a vaccine with Noah Drake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but blackie on the other hand. He was attainable. Absolutely. All right. I didn't know he was on this soap opera. Was he in a band on the soap opera? No, but he wore a leather jacket and was like a hoodlum. Might as well have been in a band. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, John Stamos and his sultry rock and roll good looks. He was fed the day of. Have you ever seen the movie he was in called Too Young to Die? I don't believe I. He plays sort of a teenage James Bond and the main villain is Gene Simmons of Kiss who plays a cross dresser. A cross dressing drug lord. Oh my god. It's from 1987 and it's a pretty great movie. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, everyone should do a double feature of real genius and never too young to die starring John Stamos and you'll have a great night. So Thursday night, eight o'clock, would you go with this? It's also Thanksgiving. I remember that. This is actual Thanksgiving. So, obviously there was a lot of Thanksgiving based stuff. APM I went with the Cosby show because that's what I would have probably gone with. Yeah, absolutely. I do want to mention that the Thanksgiving Day Parade was on in the morning. No, we normally don't go outside of prime time, but I absolutely love the Thanksgiving Day Parade. Yeah, I do. I just love, for some reason, in the 80s, and I say this to Rachel all the time, no matter what Thanksgiving Day Parade you watch, there's always a smurf in the background. It's sort of like a worst Waldo game, no matter where they're going. Yeah, it's true. And so, the Thanksgiving Day Parade this year, I just wanted to see what sort of, because these are always the best barometer of who was big at that time. Oh, sure, yeah. So, in this one, it says it features American Indians, dogs, the chipmunks, New York City, Barbie and the rockers, SeaWorld, the monkeys, Nel Carter, Keith Hernandez, the rockets, Joey and Matthew Lawrence, the Jets, and Shirley Jones. Wow. What a mixture of people. Yeah, was this the new monkeys or the old monkeys? This was the old monkeys. So, this was when they were re-entering. Yes, without Michael Nesmith, this is when they were re-entering the shows on Nickelodeon and MTV, and I sort of had that resurgence. It's when they put out, was it the one where they're in the pool. What's the name of that record? I can't think of the name of the record. The new monkeys was 87, so it was the year after that, where they tried to capitalize on that. Which I actually think the new monkeys was pretty. It wasn't that bad. It was sort of like a US remake of the young ones more than the monkeys, and they put out a decent album. What I want, good song. So, eight o'clock, you went with Cosby, you had to. It's Thursday night in the 80s. You got to watch Cosby. This one is a very special guest star. It is a rerun since Thanksgiving, but this is the one with Stevie Wonder. Oh, jammin' on the one. Just jammin' on the one. Sound is a giraffe mate. Stevie Wonder plays himself in an episode in which Denise is overjoyed to be involved in his lead overjoyed. Yes. This limo dented her car's fender. Yeah, this is a great episode. This one is oft-quoted by people. Yeah, of course. I love this one. Eight thirty, what'd you go with? I went with Smoky the Bandit 3. You did not go family ties. I did not. I hated Alex P. Keaton. As a matter of fact, there's a point when you're a junior or senior in high school, you're taking some sort of psychology class, and you have to do one of those collages that represents yourself with pictures. Yes. And I actually put a picture of Alex P. Keaton up with the no over it. Wow. So it was just because he was too Republican. It was everything he stood for I hated. Like they're wearing the suit to school, the Republican. So was your family very liberal growing up? Not necessarily, but I was. You know what I mean? Like my parents were very young when they had me. And so I was sort of the starter kid. Gotcha. Gotcha. So there was a lot of like, you make sure you play with everybody, even if they're of a different race than you. There was a lot of sixties going on. Yes. But by the time we got to the later siblings, not so much. Yeah. That had calloused over by that point. Yes. By that point, it was affirmative action and no. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I could kind of appreciate the turn of character in that it was hippie parents having a child that was exactly what they didn't want. They were getting their own medicine. And weirdly at that time, I appreciated that aspect of it. Yeah. But in hindsight, when I think back, and I love Michael J. Fox is very likable personally. Yeah. I always picture Alex P. Keaton being like Patrick Bateman. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little off pointy. So this was, by the time this had rolled around, Andrew was in the show, Brian Bosnell, who became a punk rocker who beat his girlfriend, is off to preschool with withdrawals to a youngster. When he learns the school teaches non-competitive values. So this would have been, you would not have liked this one Alex. No. I also really didn't like Meredith Baxter burning. No. She was. She was. So you weren't watching the Lifetime movies. I didn't like them. I remember her doing the one where she killed the new husband and the new girlfriend. Yes, yes. But Michael Gross, fantastic comedic actor. Yeah. Again, I just, the only thing I loved about that show was teeny others. And I met her years later. She was in a band. Yes. She was very sweet. Yeah. And so, you know, that was cool. So you reconciled that. Just you, babe, it was great, right? She's satisfaction. Did you ever see that movie? Of course I saw that movie. She's great at that movie. Julia Roberts first film. She's another person that I was always surprised, never really made it to a movie career. Just the in Bateman. Yeah. I know that she has a bunch of production company stuff. So smoking the band at three, I've never seen. Was that theatrical release? This is why I wanted to talk about it. It is like the worst smoking the bandit movie. Which is saying a lot. Because Jerry Reed is in the entire movie, pretending to be the bandit. Oh, is this the one with subtitled Smokey is the bandit? I'm not sure. But Bert is only in a cameo. That's what it says in the, in the, in the right up here, it even says it. Bert Reynolds has just a cameo as Jerry Reed becomes the bootlegging quarry of Jackie Gleason's redneck sheriff justice. And when they list the supporting cast, number one listed as little Enos, Paul Williams. Yeah. Amanda terrifies me. Yeah. Big Enos, Pat McCormick, Jr's Mike Henry, and Dusty Trill is played by Colleen Camp. You know that song that's really popular now by the band passenger or the guy passenger? Okay. I can consider him to be the Paul Williams. Okay. Of this day. Like he kind of sounds like that song let her go. Oh yeah. I could see that. Yeah. I could see that. He is the Paul Williams of now. Yeah. And he's essentially a hobbit. If they were gonna remake Phantom of the Paradise, he would star in it. Yes. Yes. Fair enough. Yes. Colleen Camp was an interesting case of someone who was hot, not and just looks wise, but for as an actress for a couple years and then just disappeared. But she was an American hustle. Oh, is she an American hustle? Yeah. But almost unrecognizable. Oh yeah. She looks completely different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's in clue. I mean, she was in a ton of things. Yeah. She was very hot and a very, had great timing. Yeah. Very funny. And yeah, showed up in American hustle as a woman in an office that helps. Yeah. She just sort of disappeared. I don't know what happened there. So yeah, nine o'clock, I would have went with Cheers. You're still watching Smokey in the band of three, nine thirty, nine court, obviously. Obviously. One of the best shows ever. Marky Post. Yeah. This is one there. The ensemble cast had really solidified after the first couple seasons where Marky Post didn't come until season three. Now this show was created by people who worked on Barney Miller, which was a show I didn't really appreciate enough at the time, which I absolutely love now. Night Court, I definitely would have picked over it because it was a little more broad than Barney Miller. I had to go to court recently. And I went to Salem court and there's no place in that courthouse and it's a brand new courthouse. Yeah. They just built it a few years ago. There's no coffee. Really? There's no coffee shop. Why? There are some vending machines all the way in the basement, but you're not allowed to walk around with coffee. I don't know if it's some sort of security experience. There's people who work there can bring it in, but there's no coffee shop and the whole time I'm walking around going, there was a coffee shop at Night Court. Why is there no coffee shop? I've learned everything I know about the justice system from Night Court. That is exactly what I said. Yeah. Oh yeah, the few times I've had to go to court, like when I had to have had jury duty, I would just be like, this is not how this goes. No, exactly. And that was all my reference was Night Court. So in this episode, Harry's return to the bench comes none too soon for Christine, who's been jailed for contempt by a stern substitute judge aware of the growing attraction between Harry and Christine. Harry never seemed, he seemed sort of asexual to me, didn't he? Absolutely. Yeah, he definitely did. Yeah, there was no chemistry there for me. No, I always thought that um, that he sort of transcended sexuality for me. He was a magician. He was too sincere. You know, yeah, yeah. I always thought that it should have been Marky Post and Dan. Oh, great. Because no matter how sleazy and unlikeable, they would try to write him. John Larr can't just be so ridiculously charming. I know. He really was. And then do you remember later in the series, and they revealed that his real name was Mineheart? And then he was a hick. Oh my god, that's so funny. He moved, he ran away from home and changed his name to Dan Fielding because his parents kind of fun. It was such this huge, it was so funny. I don't remember that at all. That's really good. So Friday night, eight o'clock, what'd you go with? Well, now it's Friday after Thanksgiving. Yes. So I went with the Christmas special Miracle on 34th Street. I know that's what I would have been watching because now you have to remember this is before a Christmas story took over. Oh, absolutely. You know what I mean? There really was a limit. It was a wonderful life. And Miracle on 34th Street as a little girl growing up, that was the movie because that was Natalie Wood and my mother was really into it. It's a little girl thing. Yeah, I couldn't. Definitely a little girl. I couldn't get into it. Yeah, he leaves the cane in the house and see it. Oh my god. I love Christmas. I tried and I couldn't get into it. There are two very strange Christmas specials on this night, one of which I've seen, one of which I've never heard of. So the one I've seen is the Glow Friends Save Christmas, which was like glowworm? They made an expansion of the glowworm. I do have a glowworm around to you. I used to have a glowworm keychain. The Wicked Witch of the North Pole, which I was not aware was the thing, tries to stop Christmas by imprisoning Santa Claus in an icy cage. So the tiny glow friends battle and evil magic to rescue him. That's just ridiculous. Never became a perennial favorite. I do have it. I've watched it. It's not great. Here's the one I've never heard of. It's called Kingdom Chums. And it's a colorful stream of light from the sky magically puts a girl played by Genevanoi later to be on Blossom. Her stuffed animals and her brother and their bullied friend into an animated world where they learn firsthand the biblical story of David and Goliath. Gospel singer Sandy Patty is the voice of David and the raccoon of courage does child of God and your love makes me strong. Okay, that sounds terrible. It seems really jesusy for a network. Yeah. And sounds awful. I don't, as far as I'm aware, this has never reared. I've never heard of it. And I don't remember it rearing. So this must have been a huge bomb. So 8.30, there's really nothing on it. I probably would have watched that Christmas special just because I would have watched any Christmas special. Nine o'clock I would have been torn between Miami Vice and Star Man. I would have got Miami Vice. At this point, I would have probably shut off Miracle of 34th Street and watched Miami Vice. So Miami Vice special guest star Cara Sedgwick, who was a double dose of Cara Sedgwick this week. She was an amazing story in Miami Vice. This is a repeat from last season and this one switec has to cool his vendetta against a shady game show host played by Phil Collins, who could lead crockin tubs to an elusive coke dealer. That sounds like a dream you would tell someone to be like, I had a dream that Phil Collins was a game show host. And he was also a coke dealer. So speaking of drugs in Phil Collins, I don't know if you're aware of this fun fact. But especially in the 90s, Phil Collins tickets was a code word for I need weed. Do you have weed? Really? Is that was that regional or is that regional? I think it was regional. No. I think it was regional. What's the definition of that? Nationwide is Al Green. Okay. Well, that makes sense. That makes sense. Right. Phil Collins. Do you have Al Green tickets? Phil Collins. And this was not started by me. It was started by me. And I don't want to out him necessarily. But it was somebody in a pretty big local band in the 90s. Phil Collins tickets was great because you knew there was never going to be. You wouldn't get stuck with actual Phil Collins tickets. Exactly. Nobody actually wanted Phil Collins tickets. But he was still sort of out there. Yeah. It wasn't crazy. It wasn't Paul Williams tickets. It didn't stick out like a sore thumb. Let's put it that way. So we would call each other and be like, hey, I need Phil Collins tickets. Right. And then you would go from there. But would someone be like, I have Peter Gabriel tickets. I've never seen Peter Gabriel and I'm a little scared to see him. That would be too complicated. That would be too complicated. No, no, occasionally people got into other kind of code things like, I'm going to get a salad. Do you want a large? Do you want a small? Well, that would be that would be marijuana cigarettes as well. Yes, that would be that would be like different sizes of bags of weed that you would buy. So it was all weed. It was not like different drugs were different. No, no, no. The Phil Collins was strictly weed. We were strictly gateway in the 90s. I was wondering if you were into Genesis and then people would be like, I don't do that. No, we didn't. There were no, there were no subcategories. It was just pretty nice. That's good to know. I need weed, aka Phil Collins. It's a simple time. Yeah. I wonder if Phil Collins ever got back to him. No, but if I ever meet him, you should tell him. I will tell him. So that's the end of our weekend you, but as you know, wait, what an honorary method. Yes, absolutely. 10 o'clock on Friday nights with Falconcrests. Which, was that a spin off? I think so. I mean, because there was dynasty. Right. I think it might have been a spin off and dynasty. I thought it was a spin off of dynasty. The thing that we love to out in Falconcrests and to this day, when I'm ever in a limo, there is that lean that you do, where the dark, you put the window down. Yes. Just enough to lean out. And it's called the Jane Wyman from Falconcrests. I think that it could be called nothing else than that. Yeah. I, Falconcrest was a show I never watched, but I couldn't unmingle Falconcrest with Crest toothpaste in my brain as a kid. So every time they came on, I'm like, I know this show isn't about toothpaste, but for some reason, I'm like, it's birds brushing their teeth. Like, I just couldn't get that visual image. Yeah. So as you know, TV guide is not just informative, it's opinionated. Right. Cheers and it cheers. Right. So I'll read you the cheers and cheers from this week in television and see if you agree or disagree with what TV guide has to say. So we start with a cheers, an early vote for comeback of the year to CBS's Dallas. The return of Patrick Duffy has reinvigorated the storylines. I've never seen anyone cheer the return of Patrick Duffy. Can I tell you Patrick Duffy was on my television set today? Really? What was it? Swear. He was on not the, it's called the talk. Oh, yes, yes, not the view. Yeah. Because Dallas is back. It is. It's been over a couple years now. Yeah. And Patrick Duffy comes on and there's a new season coming out now that post Larry Hagman passing away. So he's got to step up. What I did not know was revealed to me today via the talk was that Patrick Duffy and Larry Hagman, best friends in real life. Really? Yeah. Oh, I could see that. Yeah. The man from Atlantis and the guy with the genie. Yeah. Best friends. Isn't that crazy? That is pretty crazy. So you'd agree with that cheer? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Next cheers to the folks at action for children's television for coming out with the TV smart book for kids. In primarily at elementary school children, the book uses puzzles, games, pictures, riddles, and even a planning calendar to encourage its young readers to watch TV more selectively stabbing itself in the foot here, which I don't think is actually a phrase. Yeah. TV God saying it's great that this thing tells kids not to watch TV. That doesn't make any sense to me. TV guy hates itself. Yeah. Yeah. In difference. Cheers to another CBS series star Edward Woodward, a V equalizer, his low key portrayal of Robert McCall more than compensates for the show's cliched scripts in implausible situations. Was it a low key performance? Really? I think it was a little over the top. A little over the top. Yeah. I'm going to disagree with that one. I wholeheartedly disagree. Cheers to Wall Street Week panelist Michael Zweig. On the PBS series October 3rd telecast, he asked a guest expert who predicted a devastating epidemic of AIDS to recommend some stocks that might go up as a result. Now, but isn't that Wall Street? Yeah. That's how Wall Street works. He just, hey, we're seeing his stripes. Pharmaceutical companies. Yeah. I guess everyone's going to dive in. It's what, how can I make money off of this? Wow. This. That's amazing. As I was reading that, I kind of assumed that's where it was going, but it's still surprising when it came out in my mouth. You know, I'm going to just, I'm going to cheer that. I'm going to cheer that for showing us the two colors of Wall Street. And finally, cheers to the USSR. I'd be great if that was just it. We need one more cheers then. To the USSR for excluding ABC from covering the withdrawal of some of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, CBS, NBC, and CNN were invited to cover the withdrawal. Why not ABC? Obviously, because of continued Kremlin peak over upcoming ABC mini-series America, which depicts, and know on certain terms, how horrific a Soviet military occupation of the US would be. Obvious too is the lesson to be drawn from all of this. Politics and entertainment don't mix. Oh my God. I'm going to guess that the Soviet Union was in no way aware of the mini-series America. Yeah, I'm going to guess that as well. Also, how much and how much hasn't changed in? Pretty much nothing. I mean, I think those last two years are sort of the America we live in today. Yeah. Not with a K, America with a C still. I also like that mini-series. That's what Soviet Union comes in and they're like, our first order of business. Change that C to a K. That's it. Well, Angie, thank you so much for doing the show. Thank you. This was amazing. And there you have it. That was my episode with Angie C. I'll put up all of her social media stuff on the Tumblr page so you can follow her on Twitter on her Tumblr. Do all that stuff. She's very entertaining. She's great. And also definitely check out We Want the Airwaves. So search for that. I don't know if it's available streaming or if you can buy the DVD yet. I did the Kickstarter, so I got my DVD early. But definitely check it out when you can. And please continue to email me at canandicandread.com. I love hearing from you. Let me know. Guess you'd like to see on the show. If you have questions, if you have corrections, please go on iTunes and rate the show, review the show. It's very much appreciated. And we'll see you again next Wednesday on TV guidance counselor.