The Brown Girl Rants

Desi Girl Chronicles w/ Rosie from My Intrusive Thoughts

I am so excited for this one, my fellow brown girl podcaster My Intrusive Thoughts is here and we talking about about the podcasters community, Rosie's experience in house job and living in China and much more.

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Duration:: 1h 17m
Broadcast on:: 24 Jan 2025
Audio Format:: other

Hi guys, this is Rabia and you're listening to the brown girl rants today is a very special episode cuz I have a very special guest with me Please everyone welcome Rosie aka the host of my intrusive thoughts. So I'm doing a collab I am doing my first ever collab and it's actually called part swap By people that I have seen a lot of like podcasters like collaborating with each other and calling it part swap So we are doing that and I'm so excited for that. So we're recording this episode I'm recording this episode with Rosie on my podcast and then I'm record. I'm gonna record one episode With Rosie on Rosie is gonna record one episode with me on her channel. So it will turn out really really really great But before before she speaks let me introduce her So she's currently doing her house she did and maybe as in she's currently doing her really really really hectic house job Instead she found out time for us to make this collaboration happen. So everyone, please. Welcome Rosie. Hi Rosie. How are you doing? Hello everyone. Oh my god. It's so daunting to not be doing it myself and introducing myself for my podcast Because I have like a pre-recorded introduction and I usually just give this card nowadays But for people who don't know me. Hello, I'm Rosie and I have my own podcast called members of thoughts And I'm so excited to be here. I've been following the brand little Rams for I think a long time since Yeah, I think when you started. Yeah, I found you randomly Yeah, yeah, and I've been following your podcast and a lot of regular listen listener because of my job and everything It's like very hectic. Yeah, but it's always fun tuning in and it's such a lovely time every time I listen to your stuff So I'm really excited for this episode I am so excited and I think we both started podcast doing podcast at the same time So there so like there was just a lot we could relate to because I remember starting the podcast and I Didn't just knew a lot. I didn't knew someone who is doing who was doing podcast at the same time And it's really tricky people don't understand the whole ISS feed thing and like having a like Channel who provides your podcast to like Apple podcast and all of their platform It was so confusing and the fact that we both like have to figure it out on our separately But then I'm so glad to have you so that now I remember that we would discuss issue with each other initially that why the podcast is not seen on Spotify What's happening? So yeah, we came a long way Yeah, definitely. I remember I was so scared to reach out because like I saw your podcast on Apple podcast once and The minute they caught though, I you had a couple episodes out already and I was like whoa This goes like got her a thing, you know, she knows what she's doing and then I wanted to reach out and then I was like I'm just a nobody like I only have like a couple episodes I don't know if you've been reply to me, but then you did you were so excited and that was that literally surprised me They're like whoa, you know, usually with I've seen with the they seem, you know influencers even or in this industry podcast Thing in the scene. It's not very like, you know out there little circle You can't really, you know, go up there and be like, oh, I don't podcast here. Let's talk Yeah, people do the sort of stuff is so it circles me with the ASU's It was really daunting for me But then we got talking and then we would like talk about this sort of stuff And it was really helpful because you know I put but knowledge up there Can you like oh, I can if I have a problem? I can just go to this person and like, you know Even if you don't have the answer is I could talk to you understand what I'm talking So that was a really good thing and I think we figured things out eventually and it just gave both of us the boost Continue what we're doing and I'm glad that I found you want to see it was just a random day And I had just like a lucky, you know moment, but I'm glad that it happened I am so glad because I honestly I don't know we we our podcast us I kind of like in the same category you both are I think in the personal journal category I don't know anyone else from Pakistan who is doing similar like podcast in the similar way We both are because most of the podcasters in Pakistan are influencers who are already famous and have successful YouTube channel or success of successful acting career or something and then they're doing a podcast Which to me is like kind of unrelatable for me because like they're already famous And they already have people who would want to listen to them So they're listening to their podcast as well for us You we literally had to build the audience on the podcast platform Which is very tricky because there's just people people are on part Podcast platform, but we can't can't interact with anyone on podcast platform Throwing things out into the blind space. No, no one can even yeah, no one can't even comment on the podcast We don't know what we can think about it Which is good and bad like if a lot of people just like I don't think if someone can I don't think a negative person Could be on a podcasting platform, which is a good thing So it just filters out a lot of people only the people who are who you know Yeah, I like want to listen to you and I like would listen to you to talk to one I would be there, but at the same time It's just hard to connect and grow audience cuz they're just you just there's not enough reach on the podcasting platform. I Know and you know what just have a bull our week a lot of these people are already famous and stuff and that is true For a lot of people influencers artists out there Podcasting this is like an accessory. Yeah. Yeah. She's still good there. They're doing a side hustle But for us it was like the main platform and I feel like I don't know about you But for me podcasting was something that stemmed from the idea of just like a journal Like yeah, it's the reason I have it as a person is going on because I tried writing like I tried journaling But it didn't work out because the writing was not therapeutic enough for me I needed to talk and at one point I was like I need to talk but I don't want people talking back to me And I don't want to like listen to people Interrupt me talking because this is just me with my intrusive thoughts And this is the idea that I had behind, you know, this whole thing because I When I was sitting among my mind just never stops. Okay, so I was like would you quit SEC say you do me inside? It's hard-spoken because the videos are cool. Lickin. I don't want anybody interrupting me. So podcasting was like somebody was like Oh, why don't you start podcasting? I was like, oh, okay But then as I researched it. I realized it It's more than just, you know, you were yapping in front of a camera, you know And and and a microphone and yeah, just thinking that Don't be a bolt of us are both is added because obviously people is So category may is niche may people are actually actively searching for you to be spending that time Listening to you and then they're not expecting to have any way of interacting with you But they can't even tell you if they like something or not They could if they follow you like for real and they reach out to your Instagrams and YouTube's and emails and yes, but I think on a regular day-to-day Basis will be podcast soon Kingi so it's like a Japanese about the comment and I like it is good in the game pause comment If they don't do that and that's such a huge deal having even like No, amount of listeners is I guess bad in this case because even if you have one listener one Person audience that just goes to show that that one person reached out search for you I spent this entire time dedicating time to listen to you talk. Yeah, and it's a big deal That if we're putting an episode for an hour someone List is listening to that for an hour because people people have very less attention spam and no one wants to everyone is interested in Like their own story telling their own story a lot of people very less people are good at listening So I think it I am really I think it's I'm very grateful I do remember initially. I was just like I was just being active on Instagram because I wanted People to like discover the podcast from the Instagram because there's no way you can like Grow your podcast. There's there's really no way you can obviously you can upload weekly But other than that there's nothing for that you can boost or do some things. I remember I was like, okay I have to like keep my Instagram and life in order to people for in order to people just discover the podcast listen to it But now I kind of have stopped hearing like I don't now I don't check how many people have listened to my episode or how many views I'm getting I'm just like it will find its own people and the thing is okay We both both of us have our own profession and where we are working full-time So this is like a hobby to us and this is something that should like give us pleasure and everything And if so then I realize okay if I start like stressing about that K Oh, I'm not getting enough reach. I'm not getting enough listeners then like what what's the point? Exactly. I think yes, you have to contain a bit of like a Decorum in sense of professionalism because if you have a very Like a loyal following and since you're doing it for a long time You can't just up and leave and obviously you owe them that they're spending that much time But also there is a fine line down there You're like oh, I don't want this to become a burden because I were fun to remain fun so that may appnazu the kind of pleasure and to say a sense of freedom And that's really like hard and especially with our professions where we're working Certain hours and then we're exhausted and we're like mentally and physically Basically drained Cover when you're like, I don't want that kind of thing where I'm like, oh, whichever episode to have recorded to be like that So it's it's he's commandeing her now or is she's called follow through good now very difficult But I think that's the best part about podcasting that we can just sit and talk and let it be it I mean, yeah, he's also like, oh my god. It's the followers birthday It's the followers come home. Oh, it's name. It's me. It's me really me. It's me milky Why is I obsessing over things? I feel like you complicated and I don't want this to be complicated So even if I have like eight people listening care if I'm I'm good good enough I think a good eight, but maybe some right though I've done my job there and it's definitely like you said It's gonna find its people. It's gonna find its audience by itself. So we go in a way Do you like that? I just the only thing that I Love telling people is that how much they like miss out on podcast like in general Because for me podcast like as a listener podcast is like the best thing that have ever happened Not like ever happened like one of the best things ever because with my work My job there's a lot of like computer work And sometimes I just need something in the background something running in the background So I literally have like true crime podcast. I have like on Friday. I listen to like religious podcast Um, I have personal journal podcast that like give you a little bit motivation I have like I listen to podcast where people so that was like in the last podcast. I was reading read it stories I personally listen to a lot of podcasts where they're just reading read it stories and they comment on that and they're so funny And I I wish I could tell people how much like it kind of makes you productive Especially if you have a job like that where you are working on computer all the time Or if you have to do or have to do house chores and something I wish I could tell me because a lot of people in our country Watch the podcast. Can you get a lot of people? Joe podcast. I'll be reading ampeh There are like video podcasts for me It the video defeats the purpose of the podcast because podcast is Is supposed to be something that you're listening while you're doing something at At the same time as when why would you stare at your phone for one night? So like I wish I could just tell people that just listen to more podcast. Maybe not brown your hands Well, listen to podcast because it's literally like a good thing on the internet Exactly like, you know what actually this is the one of the reasons was like I said, okay I want just I just wanted a platform to yeah, but also because my best friend She is such an avid listener of podcast like I remember when I was throwing out this idea to her And she was like, oh, yeah, I love listening to podcast She also works and she has a like corporate job and I like to call her a corporate slave So this girl, she's like working and she has crazy hours at times So And and she's like I she always has this one air pod in her ear And I'm like girl. How do you like she's like Multitask listen to people talk and she she's also listening a podcast, you know on the side And then she's also doing her work. I'm like, I'm a freaking doctor I'm working in emergency and I can't do that and this girl. She would listen to a podcast You know in the back burner. She said, right? Which bull was on I couldn't know what that person is saying and she can really remember all that I'm like, how do you do that? And she's like it takes a lot of practice and I wanted to achieve that so I was like, oh, I can't Really listen that house because it does them running here. Yeah I know your job is like the nature of your job is really different So in that yeah, I can't I can't behalf a boy like actually It's kind of like I used to in the beginning when I started my house job I would have my earpods in because my thing was that I need music for working And it's it has to be like for anything basically even if I'm like writing files Um, it except for when I'm, you know, actually checking up on a patient if I'm just like walking around I need music all the fucking time and um, I remember this one time I was like I took my earpods out and I I was about to put them in and then my senior walk band. He's like Uh, uh, you have to alert on job on call so you're not supposed to listen to that And he was like being very polite about it. He could have said it in a very rude way And personally he didn't know I mean it was like we're not I mean use much photo Uh, because you need to be alert and uh, people who are out who bought those I thought this could be a liability And that would be sad with the for a while. It's like you say he bought that I'm I'm in an environment where I need to give him a hundred percent So after that I stopped like kind of bigger use the amount that I was using but I feel like I One of the reasons was okay. The idea of a podcast is like somebody is telling a whole story They're building a world around you that is abstract, but at the same time you can kind of immerse yourself in it It's yeah, audio books right going novel for a little bit but then at the same time It's some somebody talking about more personal things. I think it's a wonderful platform Like you said and I think that There's just so many categories of podcast like you open apple podcast and they're just like There's literally every single category podcast and there's like podcasts about like philosophy art And things like that. So it's so interesting. I think for me podcast is similar to books Like there's just so many books and you want to read more to get just more wisdom Um and more maybe um just more entertainment and I feel the same way for podcast. I think Um, if you're just like not like joe rock and port podcast or like The podcast like that But if you're like being intentional, I think it could be a really good thing because I personally work faster When i'm listening to the podcast, but speaking of your house job um, how is it going and Where what department you actually are in? They give you like a specific department, right where you have to be at or do you guys get like rotation For it after a while or are you in it like in that department for your entire house job? Okay, okay. So basically, um, I'm actually I think my last month started A few days ago Off my house job and i'm like kind of sad about it because wow This is a chapter for life that you think about since the day you start medical school so And it has been a very amazing experience for me. I love being at the hospital I love my job if people cannot already tell but how was I gap about my job and how was I love being a doctor But yeah, so basically it's a one-year training And usually what happens is that you have to do two Um major departments and then to align departments the major departments are compulsory And they're general medicine and general surgery, which is basically encompassing the entire You know, medical medicine medical field And then you have to do two aligns, which are like, um, you know sub departments of the general medicine and general surgery Department so like in in general in general surgery you do like general procedures appendixes and You know Intestinal situations going on and then Breast surgeries and sort of stuff like that and then um, you know, the subcategories are like specific So you could go into giny you could go into like ear nose and throat, which is called ENT and stuff like that and then in medicine you have to do general medicine and basically it's internal medicine everything You're looking at all sorts of problems Related to all sorts of, you know, organ systems, but then you go into more detail with but then allied Um, subject and there is like psychiatry. You could do like, um, nephrology or something like that So more specific medicine, you know, courses departments Uh, I did my general medicine general surgery and then for surgery I chose giny Which was one of the most hectic times I spent on earth But I'll talk about that in a minute and then now for medicine, I've chosen psychiatry So right now currently I'm in my psychiatry department Uh, it's my last run and we basically do like three months in each Uh, we rotate around and then usually for local graduates Uh, they have to do it merit-based because they have, um You know certain seats available for government, uh, you know health officers But for fmg's like foreign medical graduates and for private people They just apply and wherever they want to go if they have seats Enough seats they'll let you in and you know, we have a little Optic connections and they'll be up almost at that, but you know how things happen in Pakistan So, um, for me I personally chose these things because um, made I trust that and they were challenging and a lot of people did not really go into these Subspecialities, giny for one people in bhora giny usually jubani hapaseen de ka It's very hectic and it is hectic. I mean, I did not know who I was For three months. I was not sleeping eating doing anything human But I did not feel like a human being for three months And but it was eye-opening and if you are into surgery if you really love the gore the blood the you know The the hectic routine of it all then it's for you, but otherwise, oh my god and I bear I could like literally yap about it for ages of how hectic and Mind so consuming it was but psychiatry had chose because I love psychology And it's been so much fun. Just you know being in the world. I mean obviously you have to treat these people who are mentally, you know Uh suffering but at the same time like from a medical Perspective you get to see so many different things especially if you're interested in psychology It's it's a really fun subject and yeah a really cool department to be in though. It's called me a cutting Basically, so do you see yourself to like specialize in psych in psychiatry or in gynecology? Which one do you like or or anything else like what are your plans for that? Funny enough both of these are not Something that I want to specialize in. I'm actually a cardiology girl Okay, and I I did an internship and because we don't have a cardiology department in my hospital So I did not have a choice to intern there where I would have but I did like a private internship in Another cardiology Institute in lor and that was really fun So I kind of like got the experience I wanted and that's what I want to pursue Uh, psychiatry was like if I could do double boards then I would like if I have the brains for it If I have the stamina for it, I would go for double boards and I would also do a psychiatry Um, you know board, but I don't think I can do that. I don't think I could cool that off That's a lot of study and a lot of like training But yeah, psychiatry is like, um, you know, if this doesn't work out in that kind of thing Guy knee? No, not no, like no, it's an abrupt and constant. No Okay, what I Love and what It's refreshing for me to hear all of that from all of you from you And you're like the way you were explaining it with such excitement and enthusiasm There's a lot of people who are doing house job. I literally like done with it like they're like it's not It's not this is not what we want to do but I think um to hear you saying that you really love it and you love just being it just like, um, It kind of made me really happy because it I just all because I have friends who are in who are also doing their house job As we ever speak, but they're not really like happy from that. I think maybe it depends from hospital to hospital as well um, or maybe like Experience, I don't know I don't I have no like understanding of it in that way But it's just nice to hear that that it's like something that you really want to do obviously I think in your profession, um You are seeing like a lot of like serious stuff. So Um, obviously you have to be like very careful with with all of that, but I think um, it's nice to hear People saying they love their job because it just makes me so sad to see people Um In a career where they don't want it to be Um, and it's it's something that I really also talk about in a podcast as well because you really need to just enjoy what you're studying And enjoy what you're doing. Um, so it's really great. Um, do Obviously with your job, you have to literally interact with people like every single day thousands of people How's that experience? How's interacting and there's like all types of people there's the of different gender different age Um, so how's how's that? How's that experience? Are you an extrovert? Do you like interacting with people? Was it something you struggled with initially? Uh, okay. So first of all like I wanted to address the thing that you said before I love my job And I feel like Substudently changing many of me is studied and you're missing here. Is it better be my internship? I've stayed in moved on for a while and I worked there as well as an intern, so um, I've been all over the place And the reason was that I just loved being in a hospital environment And I'm always thought of it as something that is going to ultimately embellish my You know degree my career and I just like the idea of being a good doctor meant that I loved doing what I was doing and I saw my seniors all around I know people in every department at this point like all sorts of fields of medicine and Subsé manneh, yet you see kike at a certain point in life You start to you know feel that redundancy in things So it kind of loses its charm, right? And that's something that really stuck with me. I'm so scared Okay, jibnaphneh, how so far them kareong vito would I be as burnt out? Would I be like oh my god? I hate this. I don't want to do this for the rest of my life And so I thought okay a good many of me surface of art. He's go every day I'm going to work and for me my mindset is Ask me what snare they can be even though It's the same disease. It's the same set of people But I'm going to take it as a new opportunity to discover new things talk to new people Think about the same thing in a different way every day and so that really helped and plus I feel like You have to at some point be crazy about something first and last Agonbei is what you okay? Oh my god. I'm a doctor. Whatever Agonbei is she's cool for granted I'm also definitely I'll I'll be like of whatever the other make-up staying radical Because every day I think about I remember the days when I would you know sit on my praying mat And I'm crying. I'm I want to see myself in that white coat for me My dad has been my biggest inspiration and I've grown up Looking at him and the way he loved his job and he sacrificed so much for it and he still does to this day machella and Looking at him. He has been my inspiration So I would sit and be like I just want to be like my dad like even if I could be like 40 percent of it I would be so happy and After a while like you know there was a point when I thought it was impossible There was a point where I was like oh my god. I have to choose a different thing and funnily enough I actually almost got admission in B.S. Psychology and that was supposed to be like my you know Queque te back up plan and then um, I actually got there I was about to submit my application Or maybe I think that wabi dijama and then I came back home and I just could not sleep I was like I don't see myself You know without that white coat and that stethoscope. I just want to do this and since then Masha la masha la I feel like every day has been that Realizing this dream was something that I did for myself Not for anybody else. I think that helps a lot because may I suppose a pretty good opinion. I'll give you a pretty good only I want to be a good doctor for myself so that I can you know A pretty standard support those support expectations of work because I go and that really helps Yeah In the idea that you're making someone's life better Someone yeah, it's feeling better because of you. Yeah, and people when people Yeah, when people pray for you jibap khudwai. Thank you Yeah, they're pretty I could do anything. I'm just feeling exactly and I'll jump so I'll kind of take it. I'm a very introverted person You know the whole point of intrusive thoughts is me being very interested in having like such dark humor and such like dark thoughts that Sometimes I sit and tell myself can grow you need therapy. Okay So actually you tell me because you see a lot of like trauma around you in a hospital and And after a while it starts to get to you and I was like going through it During my medicine rotation because you see a lot of deaths happening around you You see a lot of like trauma all sorts of things like imaginable to human kind are happening and you're there to deal with it and you're there to make decisions and you're there to like Literally, you know, help people survive at some point You have to bring them back to life at some point. So a lot of things going on And so I was I was very introverted and would you workplace may you see me jigapke department bijakke Said to whenever you time looks up. It was very hard, but I think Me being crazy about my job got me through it because I was like, I don't care It gets anxious if I get jittery if my my tongue feels like it's swollen three sizes Because I'm gonna do this. I'm not doing it for like other people This is for me and this is so that I can be a better doctor uh funnily enough when I started out when even w can't you name it and One story my first time to a patient's history. I had to take Both a babaji said they 17 ishke it or I remember my consultant told me get a job And I'm concerned he is treated care babaji. I was like, okay Now this babaji We're focusing but we go outside with the accent. I was never been jobbing him would you paid for job? We can then when would you have me stupid? Or he said something about wins up normally We asked medical students learn things in a very medical way. Okay. We have to learn the definitions and we have to learn specific medical terms, right? And then the whole idea of training is to be able to translate those medical terms into layman language Joe um looks from it's okay. Oh, so I was like fresh out of like 30 or I think But we were not at the point where we could like explain what a heart attack is In general terms to a regular person so that they would understand what's actually going on, right? And this babaji tries explaining to me About his history we'll go heart attacks with it. Oh, I lost him in history with that bad and he was like maybe Uh, I still can't remember the word that he used specific word, which I have to like come home and ask my mother My account. They have what the word because I was so black I'm open jobbing about character medicine and I was like so excited and nervous I'm at the bathroom community. So I'm gonna put calm. We're J. So I just stared at him. And I'm like, Sir, would you put so is the eye on? I'm gonna freak out and he's like he just looks at me and he starts laughing. It's like beta We're bad me. This is the point, right? You're here to learn Yeah, like a guy in any start taking history and he's just sitting there, you know hand-paper together I don't know if he gets 30 minutes to come over to watch the day plan process career And I was so fascinated with it. I was like, I did not even Care to look at his face. Do you even imagine and gauge? Can we look down the sky on key? I could have put some on the open mind. Mickey's the code. They could use code This is part of our training. Okay, uh, you have to look at their appearance and you have to kind of gauge Uh, you know, what what this their signs or symptoms could be from their appearance and stuff and I was like I was so nervous and, you know Dumb at that time that I did not even care to look at him properly and everything and then he was he sat me down and he was like You have to get over your nerves. It's okay And so I think the biggest challenge for me was learning from jabi Of I am much more fluent even though still my fears they make fun of me They're like but I don't know about the room to learn don't try and I guess I was like It's just one of my life. What is you know, my mother language is I'm open job big. What happened? But yeah, that was very hard and plus like just You know, I'm not a very social person. So just having to talk to people was, uh, so daunting in the beginning Lickin now I see yap. I think podcasting has helped too Okay, so um One thing that I actually also wanted to ask you that you lived a part of your life in shahina. How was that? Okay, china Um, I've talked about this on my podcast as well. China was an experience that I feel like I really needed it was one of those, you know, uh for the plot kind of thing Um, I've heard this phrase everywhere cake, you know, everything's happening for the plot these days Yeah, yeah, exactly and yes, exactly. That was what it was because I grew up very but I should say I've been this person who, um, lives in fantasy worlds I have loved reading fantasy books. I've loved watching fantasy movies mind our life Harry Potter like for the longest time I was waiting for that Hogwarts letter. Okay, but I was like It just has to be true. I just have to have that letter. Okay, and um, I remember that we had this platform where There was this very sweet lady. She used to live in britain and she would like hand type these like Handwrite those letters and mail them to you And um, I almost like I begged her. I remember that can you please make me one and she promised to send me one But then my mother would not allow me to give my Address out to random people on the internet so I never got mine But so that was how desperate I was for fantasy stuff, right and so Um growing up I run a lot of books with these, you know, mid 20ish girls who would like have their own apartments You know live abroad and live like a very independent life. They're working. They're staying there Going out and buying groceries and you know furnishing their houses and going like thrifting and stuff like that And I was like, you know, I I wanted that life for myself. I wanted to struggle like that I wanted to crumble myself like that and I really wanted this that movie like experience because in Pakistan, I'm on a culture near you Really pamper our kids and we definitely at least for girls um, what do I know? Um rectan and to pocket or but uh, she And I guess I get it. I get it why? Yeah, it's about culture. It's the way our values teach us stuff But I wanted that tough life. I wanted to learn, you know fixing my own light bulbs Uh, you know cleaning my own bathrooms and I needed to do that I think I really wanted and needed that experience So that was one reason why I chose China and then life in China was exactly like that I was on my own in a country where I could not speak the language for the longest time And we would we would have to like, you know, mine literally But the only thing you're doing is For escape flapping motions so that you can tell them you need a chicken egg and then going around and around and then yeah, so that was how we started off and um, then slowly you kind of like integrate yourself into the culture and stuff and Culturally do it have we uh, give us civilizations or Vienna? Okay At least for China. I mean in Asia. I've seen this happen in Asia Okay, they're accepting if you show them interest They are going to like, you know, take take that interest and run with it basically and plus China and Pakistan Uh, bye bye here. This is true. That is true They're like they really love you if you tell them you're a Pakistani They're gonna like try to befriend you try to help you Chinese people are like nice like that It was really interesting, you know learning their culture learning the language Um exploring new places It's just such a pretty place to go and visit if you know, you could ever get a chance do go I would recommend everybody. It's like if you want to if you're a history north like me And you want to like experience to ancient Times day and they've preserved it so well And it's such an amazing thing like if you ever go to Beijing and you visit the you know temple Of heaven or you go to the forbidden palace. You're gonna see Uh the places they like the kings used to use the dynasties, you know, all their artifacts preserved as it is It's like you've been transported back in your stream. It was so much fun So, yeah, the entire experience was like mind-blowing uh plus Also humbling because of new light bulbs could be fixed coming with their bills bigger note there You have to like be an adult You're on your own like Yeah, you're not on your own. You can't just call amma and be like, uh, i'm too lazy for this stuff You can do this. You can do this. You have to be everything for yourself and um, it can be lonely at times Uh, and especially coming from a daisy family where like everybody's and everybody's business Uh, it can get very isolating, but i loved it and i think i fell in love with that concept of being so, you know self-sufficient Get up at this point in life. I'm like, if i don't get married if i don't have a nance I don't i'm i'm okay because i have a place in life Uh the way i wanted on that own terms and i thought i love it that and i love my own company And i think that's the best Thing that can happen to a person when you start loving the time that you spend with yourself for yourself Yeah, truly. I think The way you're explaining it makes me just so excited even the way you're telling it um I love that and I think everyone should have this opportunity I wanted it for the longest time But I think for some people it could happen for something good and i was like, oh, given it If it can happen, that would be really good but if it can't and then I just have to like be happy with the way my life is because obviously Obviously like everything cannot happen for every single person but i love the way You're explaining it and the way Like I love seeing like people win in life and I love seeing people just having this experience and then also enjoying these Experience the way I um and i say this thing again that I have seen people who are in med school Who really wanted to be in med school, but then it just it's too For them and it just does not make them happy and they're really really miserable in that The same way I have seen people who really just wanted to move abroad get out of Pakistan But once they get out there, they just don't like it and they're like Okay in Pakistan or mochi and you have to sign in yet or mochi like okay um The point being is that what I have seen in the what I really appreciate and adore actually in you that You really are trying to just make the best out of it and you're enjoying every bit of your life Um, yoga botan is a local team. I guess I think Obviously there were points during this entire time that I lived in china where I cried. I was depressed I was, you know, I missed home and I was like, yeah, you're mekaha me but at the end of the day, I feel like Moojia's satisfaction Hermeisha approved life mate in chisones. I was like, yeah I could go on blessed with the fact that my parents have always given me the agency Yeah, and the autonomy to make decisions for myself, which I understand is a privilege And I admit gain not a lot of people around me even in my own Like circle In other words, I don't know what I'm saying Sittini has already did. Thank you for playing strong confessive. It's okay. Yeah, because moving abroad as a girl May apne family may extended family may and the only girl Yeah, apne cousins may submejo Bahida. He even just there with love. It's a time. Okay. Let's print. Yeah. Hey Italy come age me so um And single at that so that was something that it boggles my mind to this. I'm like mom I don't know how you do how you did that, but like wow Thank you for that because that gave me the satisfaction and the confidence to Just live in my life and make these choices for myself because I feel like a lot of times you're riding on the fact Giving you to amma a bulky choice. See, so it's not good. I don't want to take you back I'm pretty good. You're gonna throw that but then you have that leeway to blame others to play the blame game Not enough of it. I was okay. Good girl Yeah, decision to Maratha or to me. I yo apne decision pay so a good good such a one So I'm doing love for that a good good girl. All right, so it was maybe nice. You're cleaning at me. I'm next. Yeah, we're gonna Figure it out. Okay, because you decided this and it's on you. You can't blame anybody else for this Yeah, and I think that really gave me the confidence and the boost I needed because there were times when I was like, I remember Um, I was supposed to come back for my cousin's wedding and she is the person that I've grown up with like a joke Like And like I had this entire thing planned since the beginning of times. Okay, you know skisha didn't have a second use skisha didn't have a second You're like I had a whole A plan okay for her wedding and then I had to miss out on that And that was like the biggest like you know, it was an okay shock for you. Okay. Whoa This is not happening like I I could not have imagined not being there for her wedding And I couldn't attend her wedding and I remember like I cried so much Because of that I was like everybody or her Wedding was the one I think event to have been maybe saw the extended family mojuki all my cousins were flying back home from different countries and You know, they were like partying it out and they were going out and they were hanging together And then I was there in my apartment Aligadko right here's a whole corner mirror. You will go my god. How is it possible? Listen, so yes, you you win some you lose some It's part of I but I think it's part of the experience and it actually um There were a lot of chromatics things that happened my my grandma passed away When I was there and everybody was home and I was not around and just the idea to this day like it feels like It still doesn't that you know feel real to me sometimes because I did not see this happen in front of me I was out there just saying my last goodbyes to her and so I had to live with that alone over there In my dorm room with people that I had like Nigerian Dormate so they did not know my culture. They did not understand my language But they were like they could sense that grief so they helped me a lot to process it to get out of it So a lot happened and yes It was my sunshine and rainbows all the time Licking I feel like that Added to my strengths because once you realize you can get through this stuff By yourself You you know that you can do anything. Yeah, and I love that I love that for myself and I wish that for you and for everybody who wants to You know experience in life. Yeah, definitely my opinion will be you get you Okay, you need to live a certain amount of time away from you know Your family and loved ones and people who have your back because I got a perfect student your home care up co-particularly made a back pray But not how well mojo you support curry lega the video won't be taking risks. You won't even try So you need to like throw yourself into the You know unknown for you to understand yourself better, and I think that has helped a lot Definitely game. I got to know myself as a person midica Uh strong points and midica week point seven I lived alone with myself and I had my own company So I realized how annoying I can be when I see deprived and how anxious I can be Results on a violin and I'm just facing the room and me like oh my god And I'm how elated I get when you know, I'm watching something that I really like and I'm just actually I was so It was it's still weird to me that I developed this habit of talking to myself I literally do that to this day. My mother's like Because I lived alone for like um for two years I I had a studio apartment and I would like come back home from college And then I would just be by myself And I really got out like I would hang out with my friends and all but like usually I would just be home I was a home body so If i'm watching a tv show or if i'm like listening to something or anything that god would excited I would just talk to myself and just feel like if i'm excited You would just hear me talking to myself and i'm just like get some pakodokiyo with them If i see you like that, okay, let me let me tell you what i'm gonna do And now that i'm in psychiatry, I see that and I realize that it's an actual like Symptom off like a mental disease and i'm like, oh my god, girl You need to tone that down Even though it's like a coping mechanism from being alone for a long time. We should tone that down But yeah, I think I think even if it's for like a month or two I wish everyone would really experience that but You have been in Pakistan for a few years What's the country on your like travel destination list? Okay, I've always wanted to visit South Korea Yeah, for obvious reasons. Yes, but then also because of culture like meh I think i'm a culture nerd. I love experiencing new cultures um, the southy culture is like it has its own perks and you know amazing different things related to that and then I've been to Dubai and i'm rappy like the way they behave and everything that's also different as well And then I had a lot of like african friends and different african countries have different like, you know cultures and languages and stuff So I had a lot of Nigerian friends And ganyan friends so unka unki unka culture unki songs unki Guessing it was so much fun to like explore all of that Um, and so chinese as well like that even in china they have northern chinese It's certain to handle uh tatari keheh, so i don't speak different hands So I really loved exploring that so definitely I want to want to go when I was at explore South korea and also japan And then also I want to go to England. I don't know why I just I just want to Experience that like old english like go visit like suburbs and villages and just kind of like live that english girl life So that's that's on my list how basically let's see Where life takes me but hopefully I can get to visit these places. What are you? I was okay for me. I I would love to like go to korea in japan as well Maybe japan a little bit more because I think There's just more for korea It's like more for the kirama and the kpop and like the content we watch with japan. I think there's just more um Tourist like destination with the cherry blossoms. Oh my god. Yeah Did I think they have a like I really love studio jubilee and I think they have a lot of like Studio jubilee parks and everything So I think but I think japan is more expensive as compared to korea But yeah, I have friends. I have friends in south korea. Yeah, like a funny It's a funny thing that I always tell people that By living in china, I made more korean friends than i've been friends Because korea is only just more out there and they're like more Because like they talk to you as a foreigner. It's very hard to like make conversation with chinese people because they're like in their own zones And you know kind of like even though like I even with that I made a lot of good chinese friends, but I made a lot of like korean friends And we would like sit and talk about you know the The culture differences that they think they have and obviously there are a lot the whole history is like It's it's a lot happening. Okay, if you look at chinese history korean history japanese history They're so interlinked and intermingled and they've taken a lot of stuff from each of those cultures But one thing that i love about each of them is how receptive they are of like, you know Equibina hosting Yeah, they love hosting people all of them. It's i think it's an asian thing even with us. They see people We're not having davas and you know Big parties and stuff. So I want to experience that if i go there like big spread like a big japanese spread or like a big korean spread. I just love food Yeah, I've I've I've loved japanese food like, you know Good japanese food if you find it over here. It's more of a fusion thing in bakistan But yeah, I've heard that they've opened up a few authentic places now So i'm really excited to explore with that After my house job is done, but like yeah, good Authentic food is like I would love to experience that. Yeah, I think there are like two chinese Places that have opened in lohar recently where there are chinese chef actually That yeah, I think there's one in emporium wall Emporium and there's one in amana. I think there's one in I think defense as well Um, so I so actually like every very I I really wanted to know that from you What's your opinion on like I assume you have like tried have authentic chinese in china So, what oh, how do you feel about like left on for like three years three chinese? Okay, you know, is it different switch was Yeah, definitely it's it's the what the stuff you eat here is nothing like the stuff that you would get in a normal Like with the Chinese in bakistan But like they just imagined it could be like this. Um, I think the biggest change was the rice Because they have sticky rice and we ate those with these rice. Yeah, right. It's very dry And when I got there, I remember the first time Um, so I was in the north. So over there, uh, they have like this style of cuisine, right in south We are more similar to the sattams because they have that this gravy sort of thing with every food item, right? I want to buy so tan ke gravy type main dish or tea office. I don't think it has side dishes In the north people prefer more roasted stuff because it's colder up there So they're like barbecued stuff more and noodles more so one key noodle based chinese boss adult here And they have like soups a lot of soups Uh, we call it tongue in chinese. So they have a lot of different flavors of tongue And um, this is one very particular coriander tongue that They used to drink a lot much about literally straight up you boil a lot of dania And like a bit of like chicken powder Uh in water and you make it very watery. It's like the soup that we drink here is like that's not soup I don't know who came up with that, but The way that they drink it's it's very like Liquidy and very broad tea running. Yeah, broad broad liquid. I don't know. Yeah, I love ballad explaining food stuff But yeah, so and they have a lot of like soup, uh noodle based stuff So it was kind of hard to switch because I was like yeah noodles kakak ke basouye That would that would be me in the beginning and they had the large portions So So I really struggled with that actually like I would order something and I would eat it four days Could give a hot terminal or else that can I hate wasting food? So I would reheat it and then reheat it and then reheat it. So that was me But I feel like um The sticky rice was the biggest change for me plus um a lot of their food But there were us people, I think the johamari community member They used fish oils and like some far seed oil to cook and it has a very Specific taste and it gives off a very specific smell. So in the beginning. I just I got so grossed out by the smell but over time I kind of developed the tolerance for it But that was really hard And our masi kibati, I can when I got back home after eating on sticky rice and all that sort of stuff for a while It was so hard for me to switch Like my gut hated me For the first three months. I would like throw up everything Mujjid, basmati, daisim, na fadawiti, when I got back and then remember Um when I got back, uskik was teir vazu ramzans, takamata Or ramzan meh, I would like do my sari with the water and like yogurt because the idea of eating anything would just like You cross me out or basmati dais were so dry and like You know, I just the so solid And non-sticky It was so hard for me to get back into like my daisy self because I was so used to the sticky rice and it's so um sticky rice kibati kibati kongi dais kogut though. It's kind of fulfilling Yeah, basmati dais kogati, bai bai bai kogati sometimes you're like, no, no, this is not enough So it was very hard to switch back, but thankfully now I can But I missed that. I actually miss actual original chinese food Yeah, I would actually love to try Chinese food. Let's see. I don't actually I think a restaurant Uh, if you ever like get to hang out, we should go there. Yeah, um I think we live nearby. Obviously. Yeah, I think like, um We did not reveal our address on this market, but we will discuss it later. I think we live nearby. Yeah Um, uh, we could like check out this place in jor her town Um, I don't know what it's called. I think it's called Lanzhou Lamian or something like that And I've heard like my friends who were in china They have gone there and they they were telling me about it. They were like, oh, it's pretty Authentic so I'm guessing though. I'm guessing that's that's good. So I have been fine without. Yeah, okay. Yeah Okay, we would like to go and review and we could do like a review podcast and be like, oh, we've been there and Exactly. It would be good content. Yeah Right. Yeah, I would love Like also like whenever I hear someone like talking about some country. I just won't do with it like you're talking about china I want to visit china, but for me, um, I would love to visit Italy. It's like, oh my god It's like a dream place for me, but it seems like very far-fetched right now. I would also love to visit um Copenhagen in ben mark. It looks so gorgeous And then my brother actually moved to uk last year for his studies So right now I just have this one goal in life that I want to like because now he's there So I can easily go not easily like but I can go but you know with pakazani passport There's a lot of leg visit issues. Oh my god. Tell me about it girl. I've just traveled. I've got I've come back And let me tell you you just want us at one point. I love our country to some extent So but then I would say okay, sometimes you just want to like tear this passport I just throw it into a bed. It's like what the hell? You just oh my god, like everybody's you know in the immigration line and they're getting through Wait, my son, you would uh, but as soon as your green passport this hideous thing comes up No, everybody's attention is on you suddenly and they're asking you random questions after birth history Abki's I have a criminal history put it there. I'll go person. It's a tax money. So that already abki bell to tarot go to tarot But it's embarrassing And you like oh, I had this once you know this whole experience in Abu tabin once I was flying from Abu tabi to Beijing and I remember that They told me to take my shoes off Um, and then they were like, oh you have to take your belt off as well And then they were like, oh you need to take off your clip as well Like I was wearing this freaking clip on my hair And they they wanted me to take that off like well Everybody else is passing by and then they're like, uh, we talked through today He blew that in what we started and I just stood there. I was like should I just strip naked? But is that what you want? Like you want me to take everything off. Would that make you happy? There's like so I was like, oh god. I need to I need a passport upgrade somebody Somebody please and I like You're so weird like traveled history now So if you have to go through all of this, I cannot even imagine what people who are just traveling for the first time And they have experience all of that Um, I know it's just very hard. It's very daunting But I guess you kind of get used to it like after a while you just kept immune to the To the disrespect to just like, okay, whatever. I was about to study deal with it But you just kind of have to have that attitude. Yeah, but you know like even with the way the ways Weza was so easy to get but then they restricted their visa for Pakistanis even turkey Just restricted their visa for Pakistani. So I just hope we just get out of it Cause like a lot of people would love to travel and travel in traveling abroad is not like a very Um, it's not accessible for every single person. I hope we Are to be more accessible for people so people could just experience other things as well Uh, I know but then you know what I think I was actually having the same conversation with my cousin earlier Today and we're talking he just came back from the UK And he lives there so he's visiting and we've just come back from Saudi. Uh, so we were just discussing You know our experiences on different flights and airlines and stuff and we realized okay It's actually partly Pakistani fault. Okay, come look up me to representation karaotena Now I remember this once I was traveling from Beijing to the horse and You know Beijing airport is large. It's huge. It's like it's ginormous Okay, so you have to walk a lot to get to from one point or the other And even in that ginormous place I could easily identify Pakistanans. Why? Because they were the only people doing some random bullshit that you would not expect people to be doing one on airport It was so funny and so irritating at the same time like I remember It for some reason there was like this Uh whole flight that had come from Medina And so people were like in their adams. I don't understand how that was like where they were supposed to be going But they were all traveling from Medina and some of the we're in Beijing and they were then traveling to um Lahore and I remember that these people they Were sitting on the floor literally hamara job. Hey back is Karana kajama vahape uno ne you have to first of all park signs will never make a line They will never queue up. You if you if it says you have to queue up. They will never they will always be standing It could be not a card. Oh, okay Or if it's at a boat, they're saying if it's like a line, but I'm a line, but I'm a line I'm obviously Chinese too. It was cool. Someone's been here. I think I'm an insect. I say to him Oh, you have to make a line. So they weren't really getting on her nerves Well, it's good. I'm like from humanity. What they were doing was they were like, you know those mandarins the the Chinese oranges the small ones Yeah, those they're really delicious first of all second of all like you can eat like a bunch By yourself like with me was it good to shoot a shot over there? Okay, a person can eat like a lot of them at one point. So This family have like a huge like, you know Basket of those mandarins in the middle of a sophisticated lineup at him air circle, but I'll okay all of us are here on the side of schedule uh to check out there on prophesy bridge. I have always got a bad look at the area literally in the middle of the airport and there's like people walking by and they're looking at them to you gun much a day out there and For I was like, I was watching them the entire time. I was like, I'm a Yide kungi But you look inside and talk it up. Thank you. You know, and that is not They're embarrassing. I think people like again. I think people just won't Know how to travel. I don't know why are people are just like so, um just I don't know. They're so ignorant. Maybe get they don't I guess there's there's not a lot of awareness My cousin was telling me about this thing that they've like implemented for skilled worker visa Because we have a lot of like laborers going from Pakistan to other countries, right? So For you kids, it's not it's not funny Rose. It's not funny. But like I just kind of stopped laughing at this They've now developed this sort of like uh visa protector or something. It's like a basically a course where They basically tell you that it's a slideshow where they tell you basic things like Don't spit on the sidewalks Don't urinate in public Don't you know throw rubbish on the floor and you'll have to do that To be able to apply for a visa a skilled worker reason And my my cousin was like they literally asked me to do this course thingy And I was like I'm literally a CEO of a company and he wanted to do this and they're like We can't trust Pakistanis anymore All of you will have to go through this and it was just the most basic thing that he was like Why are they even asking this and then he was like No, I I get it why they're asking like this makes you see you have no behavior with my jacket, but he came on Oh, yeah, a lot of people do that. I hear that in saw the fact that they do this. Yeah I was in Medina And this this woman comes up to me or it's in the book of an album We'll percentage of it like the the Arab women best and then she started talking in syraiki And I don't know syraiki myself, but I look kind of I have a friend who is syraiki So what she started talking about? I'm so surprised. I was like girl. What come again? What? And then she was basically asking for money and I was like, whoa Why can't we not be a little more dignified? I just carry ourselves with a little more dignity and just just I don't know Please I'm begging Let us travel with education. We need to like with education people will just like learn more um because Obviously on the other hand, I have seen people who are just more Fearless in their own country, but the moment they're in another country They just like there are a part of people that would like throw garbage in Pakistan anywhere But the moment they're in Canada or America, they know they cannot throw garbage just anywhere And they would find it as been For the garbage because they know if they'll do it they're like Like people some people are there like would not Just like to leave their ass alone. Yeah I know I guess this is conditioning and the psychology behind that is there are repercussions obviously Um, if you cannot over speed in in South Ea because you know that you're gonna your your ass is going to get fine And that fine is going to be so large that you're going to be paying it off for decades So people when you have that sort of like the fear of punishment the fear of like accountability And you know that they're going to you know pull through they're going to do it They're not just gonna, you know, be like it's all about me Yeah, so then people are when you know that they're going to be doing their work. Honestly, you're going to follow through Implement me correctly. Yeah, exactly. Definitely. We're not going to grow accustomed to this Um, I don't want to get into politics But like you know with different political parties that we have In some governments you see people trying to implement like actual, you know rules and regulations Making hamade, you know, I've seen different, uh, you know Suggestions and parliament being declined just because it kind of messes up the whole yeah, you drift with system and corruption system and people are not ready To exactly move their jobs, honestly and corruption free so Optimally country may it's just used towards out. They want a bit It's very hard for you to adapt to your fear and justice system Especially if you're used to like all the luxury and you're like a part of like the privileged people in this country Then you cannot accept I tell you the entitlement is real or I think The biggest problem that we face is the fact that these are learned educated people. Yeah Okay, apne country may work. They care engaged or uh, it's but like joyous. You expect me very Or Bucky countries with a key jehee volo gungay Joe line me chalre. Yes, sir. Nichie karti chalre We have paid you look my daughter was asked to have a counter pick asher we banjangay Volo gungay jokay Bathrooms this half currently public or it's this half curry on gate your gate keepers. We banjangay Your house helps to banjangayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaamayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayay? They can focus on okay. You know how I book. I'm gonna Arrapne I swear to god I for the longest time. I wanted to work at McDonald's like I wanted to do something like that like a customer care It's like your job job, it was sales key. So you look that like helps building Yeah, because when you're dealing with a lot of customers and there's like every type of customers So you like like there's just a lot going on and just like you learn so much from that Exactly and I wanted to do that to like kind of work on my Interverted side thing. I wanted to be able to like go up like of now that I'm in medicine It has kind of naturally gone away because obviously you were still dealing with a lot of people But you know, and we do also get a lot of entitled patients and you know messed up people Yeah, I'm showing up at the ER, but like I wanted to do that for the longest time because that was part of my like, you know Fantastical growing plan where I was like living independently in a broad and then I was also doing some kind of like this job You know part time. Yeah, so part-time job. So, uh, this was my K drama moment that I wanted that I never got because my My parents and my family was like from the dollar the job kurugi And I was like oh my god. I Why do you people make it sound like my good drugs based on the audience? I'm I'm just gonna be earning a lot of money like you're working with my own two hands and how that could get like I don't mind it As long as you're paying me because come on like who would not want some extra cash like in, uh, You know what I thought I instilled you up here mid-end that okay. I when I went out plus I could not work on a Student visa, so I don't even try it, but like, maybe who I should already ready. So now I'm a doctor I can't be working at them about anyways. I don't have to worry. I'm still working in like Yeah, it's where you have to deal with a lot of people. So kind of similar kind of not a but yeah, but I think yeah, but I think There's a lot of over there's like this like ikshayek has a lot of hoyashay see hoyash with them little It's like that But exactly We're running out of time, but like, um, I just wanted to ask this quick question for you And then we can come back and do the outro. Um, so quick question is what is What what are you currently watching? Currently watching as in drama or Anything like I show a movie. What? When did you recently watched? Okay, so I'm watching this Chinese drama Um Called you are my beauty and it starts. Is it recent? No, no, it's not recent. I think it came out a few while ago It stars del ruba del morat and long yang and it's a very like it's a nice feel good type of drama And the story is really nice because it's very relatable So basically it shows little t-shay in the sense that you know, they are high school friends And they kind of i'm really bad at giving like a rundown Anybody wants to watch it. Please just search you are my glory But what really attracted me about the story was how they're like At a point in life, they're now adults and they have not been in contact for a while And now The guy was very intelligent and he always wanted to be an aerospace engineer But now that he's an aerospace engineer life has been tough and he's realized that He cannot follow his dreams, you know, stuff that he wanted to achieve even though it's like achievable to him But circumstances and just real life just does not make it happen the way he wanted to and the girl She was not really that good of a student, but now she's a top celebrity And she's earning better than him and she's living a good life and they kind of like come together And it's just about how he feels like Even if you know, sometimes you have these dreams and you really want to work for them and you put in that effort But the end result is not something that you want or you suspect or you Uh, you know, except for yourself. So that disappointment That was so like tangible in the drama the way young young court trade is that and I really enjoy it because For me, it's very important. Okay. What I love doing Gives me peace and gives me happiness And I can't imagine a world where I'm doing something that I love and it's just, you know, not Giving me happiness. It's not making me happy anymore Or that's how he feels and it's just like a show about that and I guess there's romance and that as well. So pretty, you know Chick flick sort of thing. Um, and it's a feel nice. Yeah, it's a feel good drama. So I've been binging that safely. Okay. I love that Uh, okay on this note. I would like to conclude the podcast. It was so nice to have you and I think we can do just so many episodes Because initially we decided on talking about something else lickin minikata on box about banjagi And we just I think I get to know you A little bit better much more better actually and I think you have so many amazing experiences I would love to have you some in the some other day as well to talk more and I think there's just so much. I think We could talk a lot. Yeah, we could talk about the audience would love when you know I hopefully hopefully fingers crossed that audience loves us where they're gonna be like, I'm going to be daddy. Okay. Yeah, I'm like What's going on? Yeah, we need more Imagine people like doing us when are you gonna guys are gonna collaborate? Please give us another class Please if you like this episode, please let me know that you love it so that she can help me again here I would love to be back and talk because I love talking. Yeah, same and I love I really appreciate The enthusiasm you show while talking about the things you love I really appreciate and love that cuz like Loma ning jeez, though. I really really really enjoyed this and You guys the people who are listening to it. We will have I think next week I'll have an episode with my intrusive thoughts on my intrusive thoughts. Yeah Like yeah, I don't know how to fall so we're to cross over so make sure you guys look forward to that episode as well and follow my intrusive thoughts on instagram and she uploads like every Saturday night So look forward to where episodes as well. I love like I Cuz with my work, I can listen to podcasts So I am so excited to listen to your podcast on monday now because I listened to your podcast on monday So yeah, I'll give you a review I was just listening to your part like the latest episode with your sister And just because a lot of it was like something that I don't think about because finance and accounting You know, this is like this. This is a very added to a million territory So, uh, I was listening to it. I was like, yeah, you know, but you know, it's tricky. He's gonna be confusing You know, it's a obviously I have me with my medicine and medical chemo a train of hot air but You know Everybody has to follow the same stuff, but like with other fields Everything yeah, so it was really refreshing to you know, uh, listen to that I have like such different careers that there's just a lot we can talk and we can like share with each other And there's just something new for us to learn Thank you for coming in it's 3 a.m. And I love I thought that I would be sleepy, but I'm just so excited and I'm so awake right now like It happens so much fun talking to you and saying I love that we could do this together And I hope our audiences are going to love this as well. Yeah, same. Yeah, same to talk So see I'll see where I'll see you guys very soon And I'll see rosy very soon as well. So like good night take you and have a good Sunday. Thank you. Bye. Bye - Bye. - Bye.

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