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Today, a player that makes a deal to lose to someone else, pulling a chase mythic at FNM and feeling salty, and falling for your friend's bluff... again.
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One podcast mining the magic the gathering community for salt This is the howling salt mine It's the howling salt mine Welcome back everyone to another episode of the howling salt mine podcast The podcast where we delve into those salty salty minds of the magic the gathering community Find the salty stories the salty posts that we love put them in our mine cart and bring them right back up to you our dear sweet lovely prospectors at home. Whoa as always I'm your host Sam and I'm joined by my two sweet and lovely girls Mike and Tony say hey guys what up what up hello hello indeed and before we go any further you know we got a shout them out our nice tier patrons and this week we have Alex Balak's cream bean doctor black accidental TPK and Z Z thank you all for being so nice you're lovely and beautiful I already forget the adjectives I said sweet and lovely I think you're sweet and lovely sweet and I was going to say like sugar and spice and everything nice okay That's enough that's enough I say myself that's the berry part yeah it sounds way more like a tonal and weird if it was the bear so Mike how was that icy land you're you're back from far off places the land was icy yeah I I'm married now I'm not what I was there so I actually I knew yeah Tony Tony did see that got married over on the on the 27th right after Christmas and then it was super great we had you know basically just family and then we each got two friends and a gremlin and had a photographer we did a little walk around town where we like first moved in together and got some show so neighborhood and ran into like Cambridge's famous turkeys and like have pictures of us like chewing turkeys out of the road so yeah Tony was in cosplays or your show yeah Tony was in Tony was gobbling he was gobble gobbling I was around I think that's my Tony I think we can all accept that I did not want to say that Tony how do you be smurched this beautiful wedding story with your foul language dude geez yeah we did that it was nice and then we all went out for brunch after and it was really delicious and fun and the kids ran around we gave every everybody like disposable cameras as well so we still have to go develop a kind of film fucking move I can't wait yeah that's a class I love I cannot wait to see what is in there Tony's twenty butthole shots that he put in there yeah oh my gosh there's some stingers in there the real thing is like stingers put white men on that dude don't tell us about that oh in the camera it feels like you know without the context of my brain it'll be hard to understand well I mean I'll see I think they're gonna come in in each role so we'll see the first few come in from the Tony role and we'll be like okay this is probably Tony role all right these we just put these right in the trash we got some shots of my getting ready yeah in mandatory classic yeah and then we we flew out to some icy land we flew it to Iceland 20th or the day after oh we also got like really tasty just her and I dinner in Cambridge that night you have room for it when you ate that night because I feel like we lay late the front and you were like we're so full it was like fucking 3 p.m. like when you go to dinner you're like in a couple hours six where you no longer hung over by them though you know I do yeah definitely I mean we managed to have I've definitely had space for the whole dinner and the wine pairing so there you go yeah so what was the flight to Iceland like how many hours is it that's like kind of like five hours okay did you get to sleep on an airport floor again before venturing out the kids and sleep on time unfortunately damn that would be quite the story I wouldn't subject to that I'll subject Sam to sleeping on an airport floor but I would have made something happen so no smooth flight we we flew out I mean we kind of just ate all of Saturday we left at like 11 on Saturday in the morning and we got there like 10 p.m. because of the way the time zones work it's like a five hour flight but also five time zones flying like against it so we went out there we got to Reykjavik it was super dark because it's winter so there's not very much sunlight up that far north it's like four hours of sunlight wow really that's crazy but then like an hour and a half ish of like Merck sunrise and sunset like dawn and dusk stuff happening on either side so there's still like a decent chunk of time where there is light in the sky but the sun is only actually up for like three or four hours wild did that like fuck you up like a little bit but in some ways it was also kind of fine because you know we would just sleep in until like 10 and then it would start getting light out you know and then we'd get up so it's kind of nice okay this is fine yeah this isn't that out of line right but we did some fun we always do walking tours the first day that we're in a city so it didn't like a pro move funky Iceland uh lollie hooked us up I think his name was lollie lollie it's like you know it's a nice landic wallow it's the exact stuff well it's all of me lollie close to that that's honestly probably closer to how how I'm saying it so that was cool got to learn about a bunch of stuff see a bunch of the the city it's a pretty small city it's like you're in Reykjavik yeah Reykjavik I didn't totally realize how small Iceland was it's like almost 400,000 people total in the country oh wow that is small so it's like the population of like Vermont it's like 0.1 percent right of the population of the US how many people live in Iceland the tour got in case like 400,000 people and I quote the tour guide say yeah no that's also what the internet says there's 1.1 million in Rhode Island yes yes it's in the U.S. Vermont with smaller population I think is like about the same population as Iceland so that's one there were a couple good jokes from various tour guides about like they win a lot of stuff per capita like a lot of raffles yeah and a lot of raffles well like Iceland has the most chess grandmasters per capita that's great yeah but it was super cool the city was really cool we were there on New Year's Eve which was awesome they have like a really serious fireworks display like anyone can buy fireworks and set them off on New Year's Eve oh it's like the one day that you're allowed to have the most injuries per capita well the people that sell the fireworks are the like search and the volunteer search and rescue like safety organization so they can remember your face they're like sweet if that face gets burned off later yes I will be able to recognize just exactly but also that like apparently those fireworks sales fund like a lot of search and rescue for the year basically oh that's actually pretty smart that's great yeah so it was really cool that there were fireworks going off like all around us on New Year's Eve we were up by like there's a hill with like a big church which if you've seen like pictures of Reykjavik you've probably seen pictures of like the church there and so we had like fireworks going off people playing kazoos and like all above all of it northern lights going on of kazoos the most kazoos per capita yeah the most kazoos per capita easily so it was really it was a really fun way to ring in the New Year that's awesome and then we also stayed like outside of the city for a while in like a like more remote location like right near some places fermented shark so i've been chomping at the bit to be like what's the weirdest thing you've eaten yeah did you do some weird shit there was shark we did not eat it we both were talking about this we were like we're the one step shy of like the gross fermented shark eating so we ate the other things that we like wouldn't have normally seen on the what on a menu we ate horse and we ate whale oh wow which i have never seen on a menu how was how was the horse how was the whale was it and reindeer we ate reindeer as well was it like wild horse yeah there's like a Icelandic the Icelandic horse is a kind of famous like horse they have their kind of own horse how many seas in like thick boy like how things do it's like a pretty okay people should people should do this horse of a Icelandic horse it looks yeah have you heard of that dong i think they're kind of similar it's not a donkey it's a horse stony all right they're kind of similar to like shetlin but wiser kazdils oh yeah they're like a little swatter they're a little bigger they're kind of chonky looking they're a little furrier like their hair is a little bit longer that majestic but in eislin they're kind of they're kind of like yeah i mean we like we had sheep and we had horses and like they're both they're both like a fully they're both of true mammal that you might eat think it down a little snack like that ass i mean that horse okay tony come on all righty come on okay i dare you be a nice trip this beautiful wedding tale with your fantasies you're sick yeah come on it's time that horses come on yeah we're just talking about livestock dude yeah yeah yeah me too that's all that's all i'm doing yeah so so what was the whale like what was the whale like that the whale was very similar to like steak really similar yeah wow that's yeah easy yes hmm but like quite tender of the horse reindeer and whale what did you prefer um i think it's a little tricky because the reindeer was in a burger so it's kind of like kind of just a burger yeah it's kind of just a burger at that point yeah and the horse was almost like gameier than i would have expected so i think the whale whale though i did i did look it up later and like it's maybe maybe questionable on eating whale maybe not great you can't all put it this way you can't eat whale in a lot of places yeah which we didn't i didn't really fully recognize until i was like oh interesting thing on a menu that i've never eaten before i should eat that i would have fucking eaten it too dude and then like later that day i was like wow that's interesting we don't eat whale and then i looked it up and i was like oh yeah it's less interesting now but yeah the the whaling industry is pretty so i'm i do feel a little bad but tried it well i heard you also ate the uh the flesh of a man while you were there yeah yeah yeah the ultimate and hubris um yeah we had a tasting platter but it was ever so it was kind of like you know sort of a burger we ordered the one of every endangered animal tasting platter yeah it was all right it wasn't worth it uh so it's awesome though man that's that's crazy it was great we also spent a bunch of time in there's like hot springs all over oh nice things so we spent a bunch of time in various lagoons posting like a lobster various pools were they like uh sulfur base or something like is it there's like smelly when you get in that bad boy so the ones we went to weren't super sulfury they were not smelly which was nice i think that's a reasonable question why is this funny is it smelly when you get that bad boy it's just a nice turn of phrase it was not smelly when we got in that bad boy yeah uh love that love excellent that's great dude and the fucking northern lights dude yeah and the northern lights they were sweet that's so cool so like as soon as we were in that remote location that was actually like uh they had like a northern lights call service and we were joking by the end of like the fourth night because we were at a point we're almost like just don't call me because they were super cool and we saw them like those three nights and and we were really lucky too because they got progressively cooler each night um like the first night it was just kind of faint green but you know still definitely visible then the next night it was like okay green but also with some cool red stuff but still in just kind of these like broad you know just like streaks of color in the sky and then by the end it was like actual like the the thing that you've seen in stuff of like dancing lights where it's like you can actually it almost looks like it has a form or a shape and it's kind of like moving and like dancing up in the sky and that was really cool. That's amazing. Yeah and I mean like in ball toe. That is my reference for the northern lights. I barely remember what ball toe is. Some animated movie with a dog. Yeah exactly in the classic apparently in the north. Yeah. So that's a lot of the trip. I'm definitely missing some of the cool things and I'm forgetting them and so be it but that's what it looks like. They have tasty hot dogs there. That's apparently a thing Iceland is now for and and can confirm the hot dog was really good. Kind of a little good dog. Yeah it's like 70% lamb and then some pork and some beef and whale a little bit of whale. Well yeah I've heard that hot dogs are sometimes salty. But wait wait wait wait. Sam why do we eat whale? I know what salt. The whaling industry. Salt is frustration in the game. Oh wait that's a great question Tony thank you. Thank you for asking. Oh man sorry Mike usually does the salt transitions so when I have to do it it like really throws me off. You guys literally didn't even let me get to the lava salt that we almost purchased in the airport but that's good. This was good too. The folks at home will just have to imagine what that was. Probably really cool and like burning hot and that's why you didn't bring it on the plane. Yeah duty free though. Yeah it's a lava salt dude. It just like pours through your bag through the plane. Exactly. I think it's just like black salt. Whoa. Oh I think I've seen that before actually less salt. I mean still cool. It's very special. Yeah it's blended with activated charcoal which smooth the bitterness that one can sometimes get with salt. Is salt bitter? Sometimes one can sometimes get that Tony. Interesting. Weird that sounds cool though. Okay now I'm just reading. I'm just going to go all the way. It's a stop. Where were we? Salt is frustration in the game as we like to say it's anything in the game of magic the gathering that is getting to get you frustrated grumpy maybe a little bit sad that things aren't going your way tilted is another synonym for salt anything that's just going to kind of piss you off. You know it could be somebody's tapping their lands to the left. Maybe they put their lands out in front and all their creatures behind like a fucking lunatic. Oh my god. Maybe they are flicking their cards constantly and it's really annoying. Maybe they're just being a jerk. Maybe they lied about the power level of their commander deck and they're trying to pub stop you. There's a lot of different things they can get you salty and we're here to talk about all of them every single type so that we can learn from it and hopefully not be salty in a future game of magic the gathering as we like to say it's an edge of an educational show. Oh wow that's new. That's new Tony. Usually you go fuck yeah. Usually it's like a whispered fuck yeah and I have to crank up the the volume what it said. I like that. I like that more. Yeah I like the song. That was great. I try. I try. Well you guys ready for some salty stories? Hell yeah. This one. Oh dudes. So I searched wedding for the folks at home for the good folks at home. I think I cut this out of most episodes. Lately we have been doing like random search terms to try to sift through our mailbag and find something interesting or funny to read. So we tried whale nothing and we tried wedding and I have a story here and this one comes to us from our friend our good friend Devin Burnett. Oh and this post is titled The Big Sad Wolf and the story goes hey salt sultans long time listener first time caller. I'll try to keep this brief but I mentioned to Sam before that it really takes a lot to make me salty and I'm still writing a tidal wave of salt after my most recent game that I felt compelled to share. I don't get to play magic with adults very often. My three kids and I form a pod most of the time. So I was stoked to sit down and jam a game with some of my brother's pod at his wedding reception shindig. I was piloting a newly constructed vogia jaws of the conclave deck. I wonder what this is about. The second player had a fine-tuned Edgar Markov deck. Okay well now it could be about this also. Now we're okay. Yeah. And the player who this story is mostly about was on Timna the Weaver and I assume something else but it does not say. The fourth player was on menu plasm and was my only true friend at the table. So I cannot in good conscience say the line get fucked fourth player. We all want to play high power. So after one small passive aggressive remark from the Timna player basically saying Watson printing vogia being a mistake we shuffle up and play. This is a person playing a fucking partner Barry. Maybe they're just playing Timna. That's almost worse if they're just playing Timna they're like some special snowflake edgelord shit. And I don't have a soul ring in my deck. Oh partner what's that? I didn't put any fast mana in vogia but I have a strong opening of mana dorks and a carpet of flowers getting some extra mana from the menu plasm player. Vogia is out pretty quickly but I have no protection. The Markov player has pretty much swarmed the board with vampires and gained a ton of life before any of us have a decent board state by turn five ish and he activated captivating vampire to steal my commander. The Timna player chimes in again. Can you even play that deck without the commander? Wow what a jerk. We'll see. We'll see. I said trying to hold my ass out. No longer I do a little commentary. We'll see. I said trying to hold my best poker face. I had a plan but it would take a little luck. The Markov player was obviously the threat on board. I had some go to keep his vampire tokens from hitting me but he had a few other creatures that were getting through. He's at 78 life while the rest of the table averages 15 to 20 life. When it's my turn again I cast a chaos warp on his biggest creature hoping to turn it from an eight eight to at least a smaller guy or best case scenario he gets nothing. I have a triumph of the hordes in my hand and just enough banded dorks and changelings to hit for lethal infect if I can get rid of this big blocker. The chaos warp gambit works and he gets a one one. I swing for the kill waiting for the cheers from the other players for dealing with our biggest threat and our impending doom. The Timna player has a response. I'll stop this for you. If you concede the game to me he tells the Markov player. Oh no they chuckle and shake on it. I'm speechless my first game with adults in weeks and they act like playground bullies. The Timna player casts darkness which is a black fog. My Hail Mary slapped out of my hands. I laugh a little but I've never felt salt like this before. The minion plasma player stares at me and disbelief with no responses. I pass turn only to be drained by the vampires. Then the game continues and instead of anyone conceding like agreed upon they decide to play it out. One turns cycle later and Markov wins. I pack my stuff and say GG's but in my heart it was not GG's at all. It was S-G's. Very S-G's salty games. Thank y'all for reading this. I hope it entertains people so at least some happiness can be squeezed from that game. Keep up the amazing podcast. Can't wait to do matching tattoos for you and thank y'all so much for playing me every episode. I really appreciate it. The side note upon retrospect my kids formed a pod with Timna before this game and mercilessly focused him down. So it was essentially 3v1 and he might have been seeking retribution for getting stomps by children ages 8, 10, and 12. Thanks Devin. That's so good dude. Oh my god. That's great. That's fucking salty though dude. Yeah like what the fuck. I love it. Also it's sometimes a little bit hard to hate on a black fog but like I know it is spicy. The dark display is spicy but it was used for evil. It really was because it didn't. I feel like it didn't help them so I don't know why they still lost it. They're like I'll keep you in the game and then you can beat me later. It felt like chaos in in in the not fun way. You know when you're just like oh I'm just gonna do this and then I don't know. Yeah then it like blew up in your face and like you kind of didn't care but it's like I don't know. Fuck that. Fuck that. Fuck that player. Yeah. Also were they just on Timna's? Yeah I mean who knows. You could have like a white and black part or do like Orza of Timner or something. There were Timner Robos. Yeah Timner Robos is sometimes played in like human decks. But yeah it does feel like a chaos play. It feels like the Timner player had it out for Vozha from the beginning and like really could have just stopped caring because your Vozha got taken by the Edgar Markov player. In that exact moment you were no longer the Vozha player. Now the Edgar Markov player is the Vozha player. Yeah the Edgar Markov player. They're getting they've got both. You know you gotta you gotta do something about that. Like you have to at least recognize that the threat has shifted at that moment you know. Yeah and then you make the deal that is just like so chaotic. Like the king make deal is just so lame to me dude. Like concede to me and I'll stop this. It's like so you're just gonna lose in a slightly different way. I don't I don't get that shit. I mean it obviously didn't happen. Yeah it's such a bold deal of like and not in a good way. It's like oh if you just concede to me at some point in the game later on then I'll save you right now. It wasn't even like an attempted like get out of jail free card in some way should perform. Like you you can't attack me for three turns. There's like an infinite number of things you can say instead of you just concede. Like I don't know why does it even take that deal to be like yeah. That's the thing. It's bad deal taking from the other side. Yeah I mean I guess they knew they weren't gonna keep their words. They're like it doesn't fucking matter. Like lose that thing. That'll just fucking kill you. Actually instead of conceding and making good on my deal well let's just play it out. Let's just play it out. Yeah if your two options are you lose either way. They were really the they did choose the only line which is you say you're gonna concede then you break your deal. That's your only way you live there. Yeah playing to their outs as we like to say. That's not the way I want to win that game. I don't I don't really even want to play that game. Yeah I don't I don't want to play that game. I don't know it just feels chaotic. Like Devin said it pretty well. You think that you're playing with adults and you're just doing like playground bully chaos plays. Yeah. So silly just doing bullshit. Yeah it's just bullshit. And also at the same time like we kind of said it as we were going through the story. I get that vosges crazy. I get that it's like a really powerful push design. But Edgar Markov is in the same pod as you like that is one of the most broken cards that's ever been printed for commander like everyone hates eminence. It's it's like gone on record as as one of the most powerful effects and that is the most powerful evidence commander. Yeah a thousand percent. Well seems kind of clear but what do we think about the salt rating here on this one. These are not GGs. These are ass cheese. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you said salty games because in my head I was like shitty games. Yeah. Bad games. I would just sad. I was like good games. Sad games. Yeah dude. I mean it's high salt. Like there's like an acknowledgement that everyone is going to kind of play to their outs and do their best when and try to have like the best threat assessment when you play a game. And like obviously not everyone's perfect. People are going to mess up and stuff like that. But like chaos plays I feel like those are just so outside of the realm of the games that I play. Like they will come up for us on rare occasion when it's very very funny. Chaos plays might happen in our play group. Generally speaking they never ever happen. And I certainly wouldn't be doing a chaos play in a situation like this where I'm like kind of teasing another player about their commander choice and like goading them on and then just being like I'm gonna do something like anyone can win but this one person is kind of vibe here. I think Devin's onto something with like the retribution from getting stomped by the kids. You know. Yeah better to take it out on the adults than the kids. That is true. That is true. Secret sugar break. This at least this guy didn't do this in the kids. Bad. That is true. Oh man. Definitely curious about that partner commander though. Well give me more. I need more salt. This wasn't enough. I don't know. I think we'll just do one this week. I that's a show folks. Oh not even doing the salt to go out of the week. I think we're done. Peace out motherfuckers. Yeah. Yeah that sounds right. We'll just keep it short. What's another. He actually plays the outro. Okay we got another salty story here. This one comes from our buddy. Gorilla. What the fuck. Gorilla. Gorilla. This one comes to us from our buddy. Gorilla. I believe is what that word says. And the post is titled sword of fire and salt. And the story goes. Hey miners. I recently discovered your podcast and have been loving it. Well this is from like seven months ago. So I hope you continue to love it. I've been binging all the episodes in reverse order while at work and I thought I'd share with you all a story from a recent pre-release. Nice. I love limited. It's my favorite way to play magic. I try to go to Friday night magic draft at my LGS weekly and also try to for every pre-release. I'm a brewer at heart and the puzzle of making a cohesive deck out of a sealed pool is so much fun to make for each and I love the extra challenge of a draft. Last week I went to the bloom burrow pre-release with a friend and I was very lucky with my pool. I opened a sword of fire and ice henceforth referred to as Sophie. S O F I from the special guests sheet. Needless to say I was hyped. So I put together the other 39 cards my deck and ended up with an aggressive John expend for deck with a Lumra. Bello of the woods at the top end. Lumra did some work in a couple of games but she is not the star of the story. Round one goes well. I end up 2-0 against my opponent who is on grueled raccoons and I'm very happy with my decks performance. Round two I get paired against the guy I've played against multiple times in the past as he's a semi-regular at the store. We'll call him George RR Martin. So I have to give a small background on a previous experience with George since I think it will give a bit of context to my feelings. Probably about a year ago during another limited event I think a pre-release. I got matching against George at round one. We went 1-1 and then went to time and he offered a coin flip to decide the winner. That way one of us would have better odds at winning more. I was feel a little weird about those situations. And that time I declined and said I'd rather take the draw. We both lost round two and then he ended up getting the buy in the last round. So we both ended up going 1-1-1 instead of wanting us getting the 50-50 to be 2-1. That's cheating. I think that is cheating isn't it? Yeah it's like there's like a big twitter debacle about somebody offering some kind of like alternate way of winning the game or deciding the victory or something like that. Yeah it happens every once in a while. We talked, we need Seth. We talked about this with Seth here but I'm pretty sure this is not correct. You cannot offer to decide a game of magic by any means other than a game of magic. So I can't be decided by some other outcome. And if I give the money that's cheating. So your heart was in the right place, Gorillky Axe? Yes pretty sure he was a little salty. I've played against him a couple times since then and didn't feel any ill will but I still always have anxiety about potential lingering salt from that situation. Anyways back to the story. As we're shuffling up we're chatting about how the night's been going and how we like the set so far. George brings up how the nature of sealed with play boosters is interesting and that there's high variance because of all the opportunities to pull bombs. Uh oh like a sword of fire nice. Game one we both get off to a great start. He's playing Simic and eventually he stabilizes under 10 life after landing a couple really good blockers while still being able to put the pressure on me with another big creature. Then I draw sword of fire and ice. I look at the board and one of his blockers is green but the other is blue and my biggest creature on board has menace. I was so excited to pull it and get the opportunity to put it in my sealed deck but here I am. Finally drawing it in the perfect situation and I feel guilty. Hesently I cast it and say something like so about variance and limited. Yeah. I don't think I killed him on that swing but the game was over. He seemed just a little frustrated but shook it off and started sideboarding between games. Game two George lands a big growing threat early that was outracing me and despite lots of digging I drew none of my removal or answers for it. So one to one. I love a good three game match so I'm here for it. Game three was extremely close. He likely has lethal on me next turn and I'm hell bent. He has a blue blocker and three open mana. I draw my card for turn hoping for removal but there it is that damn sword. I put it on the stack. George thanks for a moment and flicks his cards with a little more frustration. He shows me his hand defeated. He has lots of potential answers but the sword was the one draw he was 100% dead to on the spot. We said our good games and I remember also saying something like that didn't feel great but hey I pulled it so I'm gonna play it. Like I was trying to soften the blow or something. I didn't feel good about that win. I know I built a good deck but I felt like I didn't get to prove it. All I proved was that I was lucky for opening a sword of fire and ice. George and I talked a little after and showed each other some more of our decks and he really did build a good one and he played great as well. I could tell he was a little salty. I don't blame him but he held his composure and was a great sport about it. His friend came over and they both ended up deciding to drop since they were tired. Everyone was going overtime at that point and some of the decks were pretty grindy and there were a lot of new players to that night. Dropping after a rough round two wasn't that out of character for George but I still felt a little bad. I went two and zero against my final opponent who was on Boros mice sort of fire ice closed out game two of that match for me too. I ended up going three and oh that night but I didn't get the same level of satisfaction that going three and oh and limited usually gets me like an off taste left in my mouth though opening my prize packs and putting that sort of my binder did help cleanse my palate and there we have it the ballad of what's that a song of sword a song of salt and fire a song of fire and salt fucking got it crushed it got him nailed it nailed it. Is this guy in HBO series? I'll do better than they did in that last season. Hey get him. This is an interesting one. I feel like a lot of our stories stem from people being like not in tune or aware enough about like the potential bad feels that other people may have as reactions to their stuff and I feel like a lot of the salt in this was like being almost too sensitive to some of that of like you know being so worried that you're giving this other player a negative experience that you don't even want to play your fun bomb that you got to rip and got super lucky with. I think like it's a bummer that you kind of have this pattern that you see in this other player and that you're worried about you know always making them upset or offending them stuff like that. It's like it's a nice instinct and a thing to double check in but there's a way where you play it and you try and celebrate the fact that like you know hey I got to rip something fun that's exciting and just emphasize that piece rather than being worried that you're ruining someone else's game because yeah when you play a good card generally your opponent is not going to be happy about it. Yeah and that's just like broadly true. I think one of the most unique and interesting parts about magic is that there are so many niche little things that you kind of can't plan for everything and it's part of what makes it exciting to play that it's like I mean I don't love it but like when Sam or Mike pulls like the one answer to my board and a lot of times it feels like there's only one the reality is is that there's probably like fucking 30 but like you know they pull the one thing that can like actually get around a scenario whatever it is it's there is an element of that it's like damn like you had the one thing you know it's like it's cheeky it's like fun it's like good storytelling you know it's like it's the story of the game and those moments where you're like there's only one thing that can stop me right now and if they have it then it's over and you fucking top deck it and you get it like that you know that that's kind of the joy of variance you know that's all the shit that fucking Yugi was going crazy for in Yugioh. It brings inspiration to how we play we all literally how many times have any of us been like heart of the cards I know I've got it in my deck I just got to draw it like Carolyn says heart of the cards and she has never seen an episode of Yugioh like it's just in it's in the gamer zeitgeist to say that I do wonder like how I wonder how our buddy here would feel if it was a Bloomberg card that was winning games like this like if you had pulled maha it's feathers night which is that thing that makes your creatures creatures your opponent's control have based toughness one if that was the bomb that you pulled and every game was decided by you dropping that and it giving you just enough of an opening to like attack in and stuff like that you know similar situations but just the bomb card isn't from the special guest list it's something actually in the Bloomberg said I wonder if you'd feel the same guilt like part of me think is this related to the fact that play boosters have this special guest slot in a lot of sets these days and it is just kind of shoe warning in random rare cards from the history of magic that like don't really feel like they belong in the set and it kind of throws off the limited experience I guess that's a fair point but at the same time it's fucking open in the pack don't matter yeah I mean that's how I feel about it like you pulled it from a pack it's in your pool you know some people might pull that in a pack and pick something else like I've seen it you know yeah I mean they might fucking wrong but like you know yeah I think but sometimes the the mythic rare of the pack gets passed to you when you're playing draft because someone is like I don't fucking want that big mythic I want this like one man a removal spell that is gonna go crazy in a limited setting I don't think you should feel guilty about it though I think Mike is right that you're being I mean I think like your hearts in the right spot but you're definitely just overly concerned with what this opponent is doing and unless they were like flipping a coin menacingly and being like you never took my deal then I'm sitting in a corner flipping it all night long watching you play your games like the Christmas flick of that coin you can hear in the back of your mind a two-headed coin and and one side is all scarred up with like a knife no it scarred up from the tears shed over years Tina yeah I can't believe I didn't win those packs this is one year ago tonight it's the anniversary of that fateful game I think we've talked a little bit about this in the past but do you guys think that uh like protection is a broken thing like that's a mechanic yeah I think broken is really tough to say because protection from blue doesn't do shit for you when you're playing against you know Goldari yeah sort of fire and ice in some matchups is a your creatures get plus two plus two and have a nice on hit so it's like kind of an extra weird layer where in the matchups where they're really good they're really good and then the other matchups they're just like a decent piece of equipment I think that makes them fair then I think protection is a complicated mechanic and one that people don't like have a lot of experience with sometimes and don't know all the ways you can deal with it like the the first time someone encounters protection like a very common reaction is like there's no way for me to deal with this like at all you know and then it's like so specifically sort of fire and ice it's like well you could have any other color to interact with it you could have an artifact removal to hit the sword itself there's edicts that'll kill things like there's there's all those like little ways of getting around protection to try and kill something um but yeah in a limited environment you're not always going to have access to this I agree with Mike I think it's very powerful but I don't think it's broken necessarily I think it can be confusing uh like Mike said a lot of people just assume it's everything I think it's really confusing when it's like protection from a specific permanent type or specific card type or it's like protection from instance or sorcery like a creature type can be kind of weird sometimes um as far as the swords go I think there's such iconic staples in like the history of magic that I don't really bat an eye at how like powerful they are um I mean I would be shocked if I saw one in a limited setting for sure and I'd be like damn you fucking pull the sword of fire nice dude yeah that's insane holy shit and here I am with a simic deck whoops that sucks but I don't know I don't know I don't think they like get me salty or or frustrated or anything like because you can still deal with it like you can blow up the equipment you know that that's kind of the the beauty of those swords is it's not like a dark steel plate where the creature is indestructible and the artifact is indestructible like the artifact doesn't have protection you just blow up the artifact and then the creature is fine yeah do you always have that removal in a limited setting no probably not um but I don't know I think I think it's pretty balanced yeah do you think they're broken Tony uh no I don't I was just curious uh where you guys like land on that don't want to beat it to death like I think the most important piece is the like which is unfortunate in some scenarios but it's like some scenarios it's really fucking good and then many scenarios it it doesn't do shit yeah or it doesn't do shit until you have all like four or five of them on and then you just feel like a god and it doesn't matter anyway yeah it's just like all gravy I mean I think I talked about it on like one of our Vegas episodes but I played my artifact equipment deck against somebody that just had like a way to remove one artifact or enchantment every school turns yeah and I just fucking lost man because he was like oh I'll blow up that sword and I was like oh yeah shit I just like could not establish so yeah especially in commander if someone has the right deck you're you're just hosed yeah like it's not good equipment is weird like that yeah I do think broadly the question of is higher variance in a draft or a limited format like this in the packs in the quality of the packs like good or bad and I kind of broadly think it's good to have some of these bombs you can rip in packs like it's a little frustrating one of format is defined by those but I think it's one it's satisfying to open something bomb me like that and then get to use it and then win because of it it's also satisfying to play against a bomb and beat it like that moment also feels good like sure you got your sword out but I had sideboarded in for my piece of artifact removal and I have sat on it all game and now you play your sword and I remove your sword like that feels good as well to kind of play around that um I think the only thing that really feels bad is getting blown out by a bomb and having no recourse because of it but like losing always feels bad so what's what's the difference there kind of the same thing there's also always bombs it's just whether it was a sort of fire and ice or something else yeah yeah if you get into a limited environment where there's like some density of bombs in packs that's not that's not amazing where like you'll either like get three bombs and you're always drawing one in every game or you get zero bombs and just because of the luck of the pack and then you never get to play anything because everyone else did open three like there is scenarios where it's like every time I tap on a race yeah never get any bombs all my opponents get them fucking bullshit that's because that game cheats yeah I think it's kind of a weird thing because like the quality of especially when it comes to special guest cards the quality of the special guest cards is very variable like sort of fire and ice put that in pretty much any limited deck you make and it's gonna be fine do you have a creature in the deck great yeah you're trying to kill your opponents with a tax yeah then you're gonna do fine and then I'm looking at the other cards that are in the bloom burrow special guest set and some of them are kind of weird like there's some awesome ones in there you know ledger shredder is really powerful sorts of plowshares great removal toasty is a huge dry engine and then there's like secluded courtyard which is just sort of like an interesting land and relentless rats which is really only cool if you are on rats 30 of them and rat colony which is also really only cool if you're on rats so you know if everybody at the table opens a special guest card from bloom burrow and you get the sort of fire and ice and I get the land and tony gets a rat and Mike gets a rat I think there could be maybe not salt but like oh it's salt you feel you're definitely gonna feel the variance of the quality of those cards in your games I bet yes so what's the salt rating here on this one I mean to me this is very much internalized salt and I appreciate that because I am a very anxious man and I think these thoughts as well where I'm like oh my god everyone hates me and I'm just like oh that's like I really have to caveat this like oh how that get in there can't believe the sort of fire and I fell into my deck what Tony what is it I have nothing nothing I'm in an adding room be anxious about that for the next 15 minutes but yeah I get it I've been there before I've felt bad sometimes you do the powerful thing and you feel bad because it's such a swift stomping yeah on the other person that you're just like like sorry like I'm I just have the perfect I'm Yugi Modo over here I'm fucking hard of the cards in the best card off the top of my deck it's it's not skill right now it's just fucking luck it's hard it's just that I'm good and you're not and I don't know what to tell you I got the Millennium puzzle around my neck and you got fucking nothing I can't be fucking dope bro yeah you're banded Keith in a fucking graveyard right what do you guys think how are you feeling about the salt here I think it's pretty low I mean it's definitely your rights internal I think there's not really that much of feels bad in this like so it feels a little bad to be in some slightly awkward situations and feels a little bad to have like non-games but even these games where like the sword seems to make the win happen seems like they're very like tense down to the wire kind of games where the timing of the draw matters a lot or the board state that the game is at is very close and drawing the sword matters a lot so like even in those cases like there are other cards that'll have similar impacts to something maybe not as like fully locking out but there are there are probably other draws that do something similar so I think it's okay it's uh it's like trying to avoid salt for other people and and causing a little bit of personal salt not being able to kind of let go for it I agree definitely oh yeah well let's fucking round this bitch out let's round it out you know you know guys here's a crazy idea let's do a third story doing round it out let's round it let's round it are we rounding it up or down though out right yeah we're rounding it out Tony but not up or down list let's go out all right this one comes from our buddy dangles and the post is titled double feature tale of whoa what was that Tony was that look i was just like what is he dangling oh yeah thanks dangles thanks dangles so the story goes dear dear dad one two and three my son i i am writing you today as a relatively recent listener who's absolutely devouring your content it's just that good i hope that voice is silky smooth for these next two stories oh there's two one where i dish it out and a second where i drown in it let's start with introducing our characters it's a three pod oh my son's mistake you have strayed from the light it's a three pod with myself my friend twig and the victim Ryan Gosling we get a lot of Ryan Goslings as like character dames on this this show do we i think this is like the second or third Ryan Gosling we've we've had for sure who's the other Ryan Reynolds oh yeah yeah um man i hope i haven't read this before i don't think i have the dangle i think i'd remember dangles i would remember dangles all right it's a three pod with myself my friend twig and the victim Ryan Gosling Ryan is playing his new Gandalf suspense deck while i am playing niv niz at reborn blink twigs deck has no meaning get fucked third player nice twig sorry twig around turn six i absolutely go off with a guy ruda in my deck and some clone creatures my man my turn ends with an absolute heart attack level of sweetness on board but no haste so i have to pass Ryan Gosling is understandably upset at the atrocities i've committed until he draws his card his face lights up with excitement as he proudly taps out for an enter the infinite both me and twig are tapped out and half the letter resolve Ryan is now the most joyful person at the table telling us how he's so happy to have played enter the infinite for the first time it eventually reaches my turn i calmly draw my card for turn as he blabs on about how confident he is that he's gonna win i proceed to cast prismari command forcing him to draw two and die and then i swing at twig it took him two hours to stop complaining about how lucky i was to have that card and another 10 before he apologized and recognized the play enter the infinite lets you draw your entire deck people don't know what that does the next story is another three pod with myself Ryan Gosling and our friend Spencer i am playing a nichthya enchantress Spencer is playing cadana control that's the morph creature and Ryan is playing his notorious high powered urge dragon deck that everyone in our group knows his volatile as fuck the game begins just like your average trash magic game would with early ramp and good setup pieces notably a black market connections for urge dragon Ryan then goes to refill his hand with a brass tunnel grinder on turn four which Spencer and i both agree is a good thing to counter since Ryan is a relatively big hand that we don't want him to replace Spencer spends two counter spells on it since Ryan has one of his own and it ends up in the bin and he promptly passes the turn dispenser pass through me and back to Ryan he pays like six life into black market connections again and casts the one ring draws and passes Spencer and i know Ryan is the threat so just do more setup and hope to stop him on his next turn if he goes for anything on Ryan's turn he hard casts urge dragon and tries to go to combat i'm looking at Spencer to do something about this but he doesn't so i remind him that he hard casts urge dragon and definitely has a plan because he has two changelings from black market connections that will trigger on combat as they are dragons Ryan then starts pleading to Spencer to not screw him because he hasn't done anything all game i fell for that trap once and will never fall fair to get so i call him out on it and pointed out to Spencer he contemplates for about 30 seconds before looking Ryan in the eyes saying you know what Ryan i'm gonna let you do your thing i face bomb and put my head on the table as Ryan goes thanks man i'll go to combat and swing on attacks trigger urge dragon and put omniscience into play i turned to Spencer and calmly asked if he could have done anything about that he reveals a card that prevents attacking and i proceeded to chew him out for being the dumbest person i've ever met and actually falling for the puppy dog eyes again it took a few games to get that out of my system but i'll still make fun of him for it every now and then keep up your fantastic pee pee poo poo jokes Tony from your 69th fan very nice very nice dangles thank you a couple a couple lovely little stories here i love the first one obviously going off with the guy ruda in the clones i think it's funny whenever someone draws their entire deck and you're able to force them to draw a couple more cards and knock them out that's that definitely feels you know like a little yugio moment where you're like fucking the perfect card off the top of my deck it's like the epitome of uh you know flying too close to the sun oh yeah also the number of cards in existence that i think i know what they say until i'm in that scenario and i'm like reading the text on them 10 times to be like does it say target player or you yeah because i'm like i would love to target you with this yeah it's like like sinin blood like yeah like if i had to take a magic quiz and my life was on the line i would assume sinin blood just said you because people so rarely target other people with it but usually when you're doing it you're forcing someone to draw in an empty library and like winning the game it's just those those weird two or less life left yeah i have one a game once not i didn't i don't know if i won the game but i remember eliminating a player with a sinin blood because they had so little life and like they had a wall of creatures like there's no way we were getting through any other way and i was like sinin blood you lose to life and they're like ah you know that's great it's the best and you're like burn damage in my monoblack deck yeah yeah i love that dude especially when someone is like gloating like crazy i mean you know it's cool that they cast enter the infinite that's fucking cool card i would also be gloating yeah but it's cooler when you can win with it too yeah you did just draw your whole deck sometimes you got a pass yeah it's the worst feeling though when you like cast one of those game ending spells you're like all right next turn i'm gonna win so you guys time to team up and try to take me out and then the second story is is nice as well you know you get uh really just a someone fallen for the puppy dog guys they they put it kind of perfectly right at the end there yeah that's like hard this kills me this kills me because i feel like i've lived this so many times of like someone being like oh i'm not i'm not a problem and another player being like yeah you're probably fine and then not only not just like that and then okay you move on and then we find out it's true but we pause and we're like wait but think about it because because it could go really bad from here and now is the chance to stop it like are you gonna be able to stop it later no okay so then maybe you should stop it now and then nah we're good you take your infinite mana you know fucking whatever you give a guy they play infinite mana one time what's he gonna do with it all of a sudden that's that's what you're known for you know i mean i've never experienced that in my life and uh i've never you know i'm always just never the threat so i don't know what you're talking about like it's one thing when it happens when someone falls for the puppy dog guys it's a second tier when you've tried to warn them and tried to to be like no seriously he's he's doing a thing to make this happen this way and then it's still like that's fine yeah when you when you identify and point out the puppy dog guys you're like look at those eyes those are the eyes of a puppy dog right now yeah the tiger is going to eat your face yeah no the leopards wouldn't eat my face yeah it's hard you like you're it's it's cuts like at the core of it it's like a game right like you're having fun you're like i want my friends to have fun and like you know what are they gonna do with it ain't been a man it's fine yeah i mean i i do think it is hard like because i fall for that shit all the time too because sometimes your friend legitimately is doing nothing and it is safe i mean i don't think i fall for an urge dragon though yeah because that card is fucking busted and air dragon with a bunch of creatures that particularly when your answer is a thing that stops creatures from attacking yeah that's also the point where it's like it if you have a thing that does a specific the exact thing that's needed you should yeah you should use it yeah you should use that and you know we we talk about it all the time but that's a moment to like leverage with the other people just be like well i can't stop this will you not attack me if i don't stop this or to your friend who wants to stop what are you gonna do if i can stop this you know like you can kind of you can kind of play it a little bit yeah even if you don't necessarily like fully agree with the logic because the the weight of someone's puppy dog eyes might not be as heavy as like a juicy juicy deal that you can make and even though you want your friend to have fun and do the thing maybe it's way better if you know someone else like draws you five guards the next turn or something crazy like you never know where you get like amnesty from combat for like two turns yeah for sure well what do you think about the salt rating here on this one i like this man i like that it's too really short sweet to the salt stories yeah i would agree they both really hit you yeah they both really hit you and they're like polar opposites too i mean dangle said it well one where i dished it out and the second where i drowned in it like yeah it's an incredibly relatable salt sort of like black lava salt from just like the ice lens yeah it's exactly like black lava salt it's something that everyone's experienced everyone knows what's in it yeah yeah yeah we all love how it takes away the bitterness of of regular salt that's just taken the bitterness away from that one can experience what's with yeah yeah well one can't experience it yes oh man well is it that time of the week oh tony let me check i think it is that time of the week you didn't actually look though i uh you know you didn't check wow you're just freaking breaking the movie magic for the folks at home dude oh my gosh you know change it up okay well you have to say it again because i don't think i could say the next slide without you say no you have to now i'm leaving you i'm leaving you in the lurch dude oh yeah i we're back we're back uh you know it lay it on me what time is it it's the time of the week that comes every week every motherfucker in a week baby it's the time of the week where we say mike mike mike mike mike mike mike what plus the salty card of the week salty card of the week this week is i hit the store it was a friday night i cleaved the raft to get the feeling right i started casting spells and then another spell and then i tried to drop my win and that's about the time the song caught up with me nobody likes it when you count history and i was just about to pop right off who the hell would play that crap i hate that fluffing my break trap why would you count it that why would you count it that and that is of course uh what's my age again by blink 182 and i i don't i think maybe this is called like what's my mindbreak trap or something like that they don't really say but this comes from our buddy Jurassic pat pat thank you for the lovely request we appreciate it i really appreciate it because i did not have the brain power today to come up with salty song lyrics and you provided them and and i really really like that sometimes man sometimes someone gives me a song that i don't know and they're like make lyrics for this and i'm like i gotta learn it and then i gotta make lyrics yeah that's a tall that's tall order that's tricky it's a tall order some days that i've been chasing a little baby around the house we haven't uh we haven't said this in a while though but uh other pat uh you know who you are fuck you we love you oh would you say oh oh okay yeah and also we haven't said this in a while if you want to request a salty song you can do that at our salt packet tier that's our 15 dollar tier huh baby sometimes like people join at the lower tiers and they're like here's a song or a random person will give me a song on social media and i'm like this is great i can't use it you you have to be at the tier i have requests in the queue that simply must come first so you'd uh baby just just so people know just a little psa for the good folks at home well thanks sam for that lovely salty song and psa thank you Mike i grade that psa a 10 nice fuck that maybe like a nine yeah maybe like a eight and eight perfect maybe a seven out of ten with rice all of them never know now that it's sleeved up and in a dick nice nice they're being played hell yeah yeah the way god intended literally salty card of the week this week is charisma the fuck is that i think the teens are calling that riz these things yes i heard the week this week is riz riz it on the skivity it is three blue and that's blue blue blue for an enchant creature whenever enchanted creature deals damage to a creature you control that creature as long as charisma remains in play it was jarard's nature to lead and the merkadians to follow wow and dude and the art is just jarard looking fucking rizzing just rizzing frankly i think he's always lurking at his face yeah he's doing the fucking rizzler face he absolutely looks maxing he's mogging on everybody right now i give him five booms boom the folks are over loving it so what do you think would this make you salty who are you asking whoever wants to say anything you have to tell us we don't know how to answer if you don't tell us so i want you both to answer simultaneously you guys know the two-headed giant improv game oh yeah we'll each do one word at a time i'll go first then uh as the sexier more charismatic head of this two-headed giant oh if that's what we're gonna do then i should probably go first like yeah same time this is actually same time that's the reason i said it that is a really interesting card when enchanted creature deals damage to a creature you gain control of it for as long as charisma remains in play this has the potential to be insanely salty i've never seen this guard in my entire life and i'm already thinking like why wasn't it in rebellion yeah you well i mean the needs to deal damage yeah because you need to deal damage so you put it on like something that's in there paying yeah on like a pinger and you're pinging creatures and taking control of them i mean it's it's good man like there's some there's some spice that you could do with this i would say this would make me salty as fuck i hate creature theft effects i think it's one of the most salt-inducing things in magic and uh just the fact that this is like kind of limitless like rubinia gets me pretty salty and she's taking one creature at a time this feels very abusable and i think it would make me quite salty yeah i feel like it is uh exactly that you know it's either in a deck where that's all the deck is trying to do which is going to be annoying or it's like a cartridge searching for yeah like this isn't a one-off like cute see like you play it and it's just sort of in the deck and if you draw it you're like oh i drew charisma i'm literally up this game like no it's like yeah i've tutored charisma and now i've got this little wombo combo where i'm gonna keep tapping and pinging all your shit and take everything from you and it's not gonna be a good time like on its face it feels like it shouldn't be that aggressive but the type of deck it goes into or gets built it like people will build around this effect or like again the whole deck will be that like fuck that yeah it feels like a focus like a fuck like you're building a deck around charisma to bust it out and yeah that's your finisher or you know your combo and it's such a like bullshit blue effect too like yeah it is like it just feels really broken and like the three blue pip feels like it's not high enough cost to really think about it i wasn't even like oh but it's three blue pips like oh it's gotta be a heart i mean it is three blue pips but it could be but it could be five it could be two blue pips and three colorless mana and i still think it would be equally as powerful like you know like it feels pretty cheap at three blue pips and you know Mike how do you feel about this card i like this card i mean i like i have a soft spot for marcadian masks because a bunch of the initial cards that my brother had were from then and i think it's funny that it relies on dealing damage like at the time that this was printed the intent was maybe you put it on prodigal pyromancer or prodigal sorcerer which the blue pinger like maybe you put it on that but then you'd have alabaster wall to tap to prevent the next one damage that we dealt to any target this tournament but a lot of the time you're putting this on like a big you know like a one four static thing like something with a big butt and a and a small power that's just gonna like tick stuff because there's so many ways that this doesn't work for normal combat like you need to be able to block or damage in a way where your creature's living because it's you need charisma to stay around and then it also needs to leave the other creature alive so like the standard use case for this of like putting on a creature and using it for combat just like doesn't kind of do anything so i think that's kind of funny but yes the broken stuff with it is indeed very gross i mean we were just talking about geerson starn tony and i talked about it in an episode a couple weeks ago and that just like does damage directly to a lot of different things so like yes and that's right in your command zone right you know yes that's the first that's the first one on ad hrek is garson starn so you play you play garson you play charisma on him and then deal one damage to everything and then tap yeah and then garson gyrson hits everything you've just taken control of all creatures on the board yeah that's fucking gross dude that's pretty good oh yeah dude if you would like a sweeper effect that a creature could somehow do the festivities or something deal one damage to everything in starn tony and gyrson just hits everything else takes a lot of hope that's pretty funny yeah that's pretty funny i mean it's a wincon at that point it really is just kind of a wincon it's so abusable that it's like take control of everything attack next turn yeah yes similar i'll also spoil the the second most popular ed hrek commander for it is tibor and loomia oh blast from the past dude from fucking dissension yeah it's a four man at three three with whenever you play a red spell tibor and loomia deals one damage to each creature without flying so same thing like whenever you play a red spell you take control of all non-flying creatures on the board essentially that was that's really disgusting that's so good that's insane dude yeah literally oh my god it's literally fucking horrible so so mike where does this fall on the top three hundred salty card list why don't you guys hit me with some guesses i'll hit you with that bullshit written it is written all right i got mine all right hit me with them 158 114 tony takes it let's fucking go it is two it is two thirteen wow what it's so far down dude i guess just because it's hard to like have something that can actually use it but fuck dude this is so salty i would hate this yeah i feel like this falls into that typical category of like if you saw it you would be like this is the saltiest fucking thing i've ever fucking seen yes yeah but most people have probably have never heard of it and they're like yeah they gotta like do a bunch of shit to do it but then they haven't sat down at a table with either those two commanders that you just mentioned what they they're just taking all your shit every fucking turn like yeah i mean there's also like the nip miss it's it's pretty filthy with oh yeah dude miss it would be gross with this yeah captain america can use another bullshit that it's good with though like it doesn't need this you don't need charisma with niv you but like he's got so much riz that like yeah he's charisma he's already so rizzed up i do like that captain america also makes great use of riz it seems important yeah because he can throw throw at me things and deal there's three targets yeah yeah his riz makes his shield throw stronger just look at that uh that wraps it up for the salted card of the week thanks for playing that's a great one mike that's a that's a really interesting card can you get the prospectors at home thinking and hey prospectors at home thank you for tuning into another episode of the howling salt mine you know we're gonna shout out our salt packet plus tier members and this week we have thoughts of his prime roth box sire speedy bobo fat chameleon brimstone captain craw's elgo fogle clear book debieson gilgamesh dugs dad bark bark pez swankeb the quiet one and vok thank you all for being so lovely sweet and lovely thank you sweet and lovely you are to me oh my god 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of choice whether that's Spotify Apple podcasts or maybe you're checking us out over on youtube and you want to just subscribe comment give a like on the videos review or whatever you can do over there you know all the engagement on all the socials is just fantastic it's free and it helps advertise the show to new people because we don't pay for advertising right now and um word of mouth is really how the show spreads or word of internet algorithm so it really helps out if you've already done that we appreciate you and if you haven't say what's stopping you you know you can do it just a little button click uh i think that's everything except for you know we got a shout them out our buddy Devin Burnett from the first story that's right he is our lovely awesome sweet our sweet and lovely friend from the actual North Carolina who drew our beautiful podcast art and uh if you're ever in ashland north carolina hit him up and get a tattoo because he's a really awesome dude 10,000 subscribers are bust indeed damn thanks again everybody and as always stay salty and don't forget to draw an additional card during your draw step now i can record now can you say Tony now i can record easement icelandic downloads uh when i you spread me around my downloads no it hasn't gone up since i visited 22 icelandic downloads that means that before i went one person that's listened to about a quarter of the show yeah that's so funny um okay what what are we uh searching for here give me one final word here boys suspension suspension no i have suspended this one do that one i'll accept it as long as they're suspended these nuts am i right got him what even there's no there's no pun there you're just saying the word again it felt like there was i can feel the pun [BLANK_AUDIO]
