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Episode #225 - Directing at Disney: Discovering the Minds Behind the Masterpieces

In today’s episode, we test our "Directing at Disney" knowledge and visit the Walt Disney Family Museum to explore the new exhibit. Then we share our experience hearing from Pete Docter and Don Peri, the creative minds behind the exhibit and book!

Duration:: 54m
Broadcast on:: 22 Jan 2025
Audio Format:: other

Creativity and vision, leadership and cinematography. You are now tuned in to the Disney Holidays Show! [MUSIC] >> Hello and welcome to the Disney Holidays Show, that's Mike TV. >> And that's Jen Diz. >> In today's episode, we test our directing at Disney Knowledge and visit the Walt Disney Family Museum to explore the new exhibit. Then we share our experience of hearing from Pete Doctor and Don Perry directly for the exhibit. [MUSIC] >> Those are some big names, famous names. [MUSIC] >> Podcast tip for anybody wanting to start a podcast. Do a dry run on the little spiel you start. Are you creating the top because, man, I had like five more words and I couldn't fit it in, obviously. >> It's more fun to listen to you try to race at the end. >> Yeah, it's like those live bloopers we just leave in for you guys, right? >> Leave it. >> So I thought we would start today off with a quick life update. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Just by chance, within a couple days of each other have big changes going on. Mike, what are you doing? Where are you at? >> OMG, this literally I moved in today to a new apartment in Florida. Nine minutes to Disney World, what? >> What? >> And I actually timed it earlier today. And it's actually from the Walt Disney World sign, where you drive through and then everything gets accepted. >> Aw, that's cute. >> Yep, from there to my parking spot, nine minutes, what? I can't even believe it, I can't even believe it. >> That's crazy. >> Dream come true. >> Dream come true, well congratulations on your move and it went smoothly, I heard. >> Went smoothly, yep, so far so good. And I even had time during the transition to head to the parks. I went to Magic Kingdom. It's just Disney Spring, so I'm already trying to be Disney AP local. And I can't wait to find out what it's like. Now, I'm in Orange County, Florida, and you are in Orange County, California. >> Yes, I am, well, not just yet, but by tomorrow. >> Wow. >> I will be there, so pretty crazy. We are going to be matching counties cross country, like all opposite sides. But both right next to Disney parks. I did my Google Maps as well, it's seven minutes, so I got to beat. >> Wow, that's pretty good. >> I got to beat by just a little bit. However, I have not gotten to do the actual test run yet, so I'll let you know the results back for that later. >> My God, we should do a live or something where we go from our apartments to the park. And I bet you- >> They'll be raised. >> Disney World will beat you only because of bag check and security at Disneyland is out of control. >> To get into the- >> Yeah. >> But you have so much further to get into the park though. >> True, especially if it's Magic Kingdom versus Disneyland. >> Yeah. >> Magic Kingdom, you got to like swim across a lagoon, take a boat, a monorail, a train. Which I like because it makes it feel like you travel somewhere, but dang, it's hard to get there. >> I also have the whole parking structure though, that's a whole thing of its own also. >> True. >> So, it might actually be quite even. That'd be fun. We should definitely do that. >> Yeah, we should. >> I love that. >> You can even plan strategically. What if we did a race where we leave our parking spot at the same time and see who could get on any ride first? >> Yeah. >> Which should be the same. >> Do you need any park? >> Like, Haunted Mansion. >> Okay. I love that. >> Okay, this is fun. We could do all these challenges. This is great. Oh my God, I love it. >> See, this is the life now. This is our new life, 2025. >> This is it. >> Disney Hallics. >> This is our new life. That's right. 2025, Disney Hallics. Already, Disney Hallics. What the hell are we now? >> There you go. >> Like, oh my God. So, yes, very exciting. I hope my move goes just as smoothly as yours does, so wish me luck. >> It will. You know, another thing I was thinking about for us is the way that a person, the way that a Disney Hallic, who lives local to a park, the way they set up their home or apartment, is a little bit different because I'm already thinking of stuff that I want near the door that I only normally think of when we're at a Disney hotel or a DVC hotel. But I need like my magic bands and my little guardians bag because I can just run out, right? So you can have it right there. >> So excited. >> Yep. So it's really gonna feel like we live at Disney. Wow. And right now, like my current situation with Disney stuff is in my carry-on. I don't even take it out. It's like permanently in my carry-on. I have my Disney backpack that I always use. Like, my little haunted mansion backpack you've probably seen me wear a million times. It's like my go-to Disney bag and I have all the stuff and I have an extra iPhone cord, I have the charger, I have like all the things I will need in the park, including like Ivy Pro Fringe. All right, like I have like my stuff already packed in that bag, which stays in my carry-on, which then goes with me on every trip. So now that'll just hang by the door. >> Yep. >> Yep. You can have a park-ready apartment at all times. >> It's so cute. Okay, now I want to make like a whole little station for that, just like get into it. >> Yes, me too. >> What else? >> That just made me 10 times more excited than I already am, which is really quiet there. So yeah, so exciting things going on, but I also wanted to talk a little bit about an experience I got to have a little bit of go now. We had a lot of stuff going on with our Patreon takeover in the holidays, so I put this reporting off a little bit, but I got to visit the Walt Disney Family Museum, but before we get there, I have a game and I want everyone, I'm going to put Mike to the test right now and I want everyone at home listening to the show to play along and let us know in our episode thread on Instagram, how many you got right? I'm very curious to hear like how many people know this information. So Mike, this game is called Who directed that Disney movie? >> Oh, shoot. >> It's going to be multiple choice. >> Okay. >> A little help there, right, and there's 10 questions, so let's run through them. And I actually went, like I picked a little, like Renaissance to more modern. >> Oh, okay. >> So like thinking that, you know, they might be a little more familiar as like more recent type movies or ones that we grew up on, so are you ready? >> I am ready. >> Okay. >> Question number one, who directed Disney's The Lion King 1994 edition? >> John Lasseter, oh, are you just going to try? You could just try it too if you want. >> Okay, John Hahn, no, he produced it, I think. Okay, yeah, keep going with the choices, links. >> Okay. Okay, so A, John Lasseter, B, Rob Minkoff, and Roger Allers, C, Ron Clement, and B, Ron Clement's, and John Musker, or D, Pete Doctor. >> Okay, let's play it like who wants to be a millionaire, so I know it's not A and D. It's not the Pixar people. >> Good job. >> Okay, and then I know all those names from the Renaissance, well at least the Musker, can you repeat the two remaining options, please? >> Yes, B was Rob Minkoff and Roger Allers, or C, Ron Clement's, and John Musker, sorry. >> I think that second pair did the other stuff like Aladdin, so I'm going to guess B. >> B, Rob Minkoff and Roger Allers? >> Yes. >> That is correct. >> Oh, okay, good, good, good, good. I think that's what's up, very nice, very nice, good start, hope everyone at home got that one too. I would have not. >> And I think there's some interesting- >> The director. >> Iceberg stories to that, they didn't give it to some of the season directors, because they didn't know if it was going to do good, and they gave it somewhere else. From what I remember, but I need to look into that, because that could be an interesting story. >> Yeah, seriously. >> All right, question number two, who was the director of Disney's Frozen, A, Chris Buck- >> Jennifer Lee. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh, just kidding. >> Do you want to hear the choices? >> Yeah, I'll hear the choices. >> For Shits and Giggles. A, Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee, B, Byron Howard and Rich Moore, C, Andrew Stanton, and Angus McLean, or D, Gary Truesdale, and Kirk Wise. They will be the first option, Jennifer and Duck. What is the other? Buck. >> Duck. >> Chris Buck, yes. >> Chris Buck. You know, that's what got the success of Frozen, directed by Jennifer Lee, is what helped her get the job as chief creative officer. Good for her. >> Yeah, yeah. I love this. You've got the fun facts too. >> Yeah, okay. It's great. You know your stuff, I love it. >> Question number three, who directed Disney's Moana, A, Brad Bird, B, Chris Sanders, and Dean DeBlois, C, Jennifer Lee, or D, Ron Clements, John Musker, and Don Hall? Not to be mistaken with Don Hahn. >> Don Hahn. Shoot, you know, I really don't know this one. I don't think it was, oh my goodness, oh my goodness, okay. I know it's not, what was the first one? >> Brad Bird. >> Okay, it was not Brad Bird. I don't think it was Jennifer Lee. I feel like she was too busy. Okay, so what's left? >> Okay, so we have B, Chris Sanders, and Dean DeBlois, or D, Ron Clements, John Musker, and Don Hall. Okay, so B, it can't be B, I don't think, because I don't remember him. So that guy did Lilo and Stitch, so I don't think he would have done Moana. >> Oh. >> That's just like two Hawaii, right? >> Correct, correct, correct, correct, correct. >> Two Hawaii. >> This is really fascinating. I did not know this part of you. I should have. >> There you go. >> I just, I didn't know you would have grasped all this stuff. >> I love it. >> I love that. Behind the scenes, okay, so then that leaves us with the trio, including- >> Yes. >> Yeah, okay. Three guys. >> That's your final answer. >> That's a final answer. >> All right, Ron Clements, John Musker, and Don Hall is correct. >> It's crazy that some of these movies have more than one director. >> Yeah, yeah, a lot of them do. >> Wow. >> So I was like, oh, yep. All right, question number four. Each director was behind the film Ratatouille from Disney Pixar. A, Brad Bird and Jan Pinkava, B, John Lasseter, C, Lee Unkrich, or D, Andrew Stanton. >> I'm second-guessing myself now, so it's not John Lasseter, and it's not the third one. >> What is the guy's name from Scream? >> Skeet Ulrich. It sounds like Lee Unrich, right? Shoot. So now I have Pete, Doctor, or Brad Bird. I once- >> Pete Doctor was not on this list. You have- >> Andrew Stanton. >> Andrew Stanton, or Brad Bird and Jan Pinkava. >> Okay, this one's hard, and because Pixar, they all work together, that's what I'm thinking. So I'm going to say it can't be Andrew Stanton because he was busy with finding Dory. So that leaves Brad Bird, who was in between Credibles and Credibles 2 and could have definitely done Ratatouille. Brad Bird, final answer. >> Brad Bird and Jan Pinkava. >> Yeah. >> Okay, with these double-directors, double trouble. >> This is kind of fun how this is rolling out, actually, so, and we'll roll this straight into the next segue of the conversation here, which is pretty cool. So question five, who directed Disney's Zootopia? Was it John Musker in Ron Clements, Pete Doctor, Byron Howard, Rich Moore, and Jared Bush, or Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee? You have singles, doubles, couples here, like all sorts of stuff. >> What a nightmare to make a movie with all these cooks in the kitchen. Okay, so this one is a hard one for me, but I'm going to knock out the Pixar people because this is a Disney animation film. So that leaves Jennifer Lee and Buck Rogers. I only celebrate her, I don't know, Chris Buck. And then the other one was number one option. What was that? >> John Musker and Ron Clements. >> Oh. >> So you're knocking out, so far you're knocking out Pete Doctor and then Byron Howard, Rich Moore, and Jared Bush? >> Oh no, I guess I'm only knocking out Pete Doctor. Oh, this is even harder now, okay. I'm going to go with, no, it can't be that. Okay, this is going to be the one to get wrong. Is it? >> Wait, wait, wait, tell us what you're thinking and I want to hear this thought track. >> Okay, tell me if the options again and the listeners, because the listeners are struggling too, I hope. >> I bet they are, okay, it's A, John Musker and Ron Clements, B, Pete Doctor, C, Byron Howard, Rich Moore, and Jared Bush, or D, Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee, Zootopia 2016. >> I think it's the one, okay, so I'm thinking that this movie went through so many iterations. I remember reading about it like literally like 20 years ago and it kept changing names and concepts and then there wasn't even like CG back then and then it finally came out and it was really good and I know that was when Jennifer Lee was like climbing the ladder and doing a lot of stuff, so I don't know if she directed it but she could have, she could have while she was doing the other stuff, but if I go back to the fact that it went through so many iterations, I'm going to go with the one that has Byron and it has three directors as my. >> So Byron Howard, Rich Moore, and Jared Bush? >> Yes, that's my guess. >> That your final answer. >> So check me, yes, that's my final answer. >> I'm sticking with this theme that you got going on here. You can also phone a friend or cut them in half, remember all the wrongs? >> Oh yeah, I could do 50/50, right? Okay. >> We should have done that before. >> I'm going to do 50/50, please. >> Okay, 50/50? I'm going to cut off the top two and give you Byron Howard, Rich Moore, and Jared Bush, or Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee. >> Great. That's sort of the two that I'm stewing on. >> Okay, so I remember we are at detour. It was 23 when Jennifer Lee presented this, Zootopia was coming. I remember that, but now I don't know if she was doing it as the studio head or the film maker, but I'm going to go, wait, we already did it, Jennifer Lee one, right? Did you do Frozen? No, no, we didn't. Okay, so I'm going to guess Jennifer Lee and Buck Rogers. Okay. I'm going to just give it to you because you had already said the right answer. >> Okay, it's the one with the three. >> And I went down the rabbit hole of who wants to be millionaire. It is C, Byron Howard, Rich Moore, and Jared Bush. >> There we go. >> And you are right, we did do Frozen, so we have already mentioned Jennifer Lee. >> Too many cooks in the kitchen, three directors? >> Three. >> Geez, Louise. >> Nice. >> And it came out really good, so that's rare. >> Right? >> I also would like to hear more about, if you ever want to deep dive on that and teach me about it little on our list. >> Oh yeah, there's a lot. >> I like to hear about the Zootopia. I didn't know they had thoughts about it for so long. >> Yeah, I read this book all about those type of things, and then this other book called The Pixar Story, and both of them have really perfect. >> Wait, you read it? >> No, this was when I was in school at NYU, I don't do it on my own. >> Oh my goodness. >> I don't like to read you, right? I don't. >> I neither do I, so I was like, wait, wouldn't this happen? >> But it was a double, because I had to read it for a project, plus it was something I wanted to read, so I was like, okay, fine, fine, I'll read it. >> That is a good choice, as far as if you have to read, you can just get something on Disney and read it. >> And back in the day, this book that we're talking about today, I love it. >> Ooh, I was just going to say real quick, our podcast for people driving or commute is helpful, but for me, the only time I was, I've been able to read and pay attention is on the subway, and when I was going to school at that time, it was like 40 minutes on the subway, and you got that time, and how's the- >> Especially, that was like before smartphones, right? >> No, I don't think so. >> Okay. >> I think we had smartphones. The reason why is because I was going to say, oh no, this was later in life, yes, I don't think they're West smartphones, eventually I got an iPad, not a Kindle, and then I would read on there, but I read the entire Hunger Games books on the iPad on the subway, yep. >> Yeah, I would say you get kind of trapped in places, and that's the only time I ever read too, it's like when I like can't do anything else. >> Yeah. >> Camping. >> Last resort. >> I read it a lot, yep. All right, so you got that one right, even though you changed it later, I'm going to give it to you anyway, because you knew what you were doing before I interrupted. >> There you go. >> All right, question number six, who directed the Disney animated classic Aladdin? Options, A, Ron Clemence and John Musker, B, Gary Trusdale and Chris, sorry, Kirk Wise, C, Rob Minkoff, and Roger Allers, or D, Chris Sanders and Dean DeBloise. >> And what was the first option again? >> Ron Clemence and John Musker. >> I definitely think that's that one, so I'm not going to second guess myself, that one. >> You are like hitting all correct answers, and this is so impressive. >> Aladdin, Renaissance, those guys. >> Correct answer was A, Ron Clemence and John Musker, wow, all right, you only have three more to go, what's this going to look like, oh my goodness. >> I thought the last one was already the trio one. >> Nope, you got three more. Who directed Disney Pixar's Inside Out? Was it Pete Doctor and Ronnie Del Carmen, Brad Bird, Lee Unkrich, or Dan Scanlan? >> I keep changing a poem. This is a bad presenter mode, because it's supposed to be saying it the same time, same way every time. So I'm going to redo that one. Who directed Disney's Pixar's Inside Out? >> Part one, right? >> Pete Doctor and Ronnie Del Carmen, B, Brad Bird, C, Lee Unkrich, or D, Dan Scanlan. >> And this is Part One, Inside Out? >> Yes, 2015. >> So I'm going to, I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I'm still going to ask for a 50/50. >> Okay, 50/50, all right. I'm going to give you A, Pete Doctor and Ronnie Del Carmen, or D, Dan Scanlan. >> I'm going to go with Pete Doctor, final answer. >> And Ronnie Del Carmen, that is correct. >> What's with these extras? See, I know like the main directors, and then there's these add-ons, sorry about it. I don't know though. >> They're both listed for directors, so. >> I don't know. That's why it was confused. I thought maybe it was Part Two. Who is this other person? >> Nope. >> Whoops. >> Pete Doctor, you're right. All right, question number eight, which team directed The Little Mermaid in 1989? Was it A, Gary Truesdale and Kirk Wise, B, Ron Clements and John Musker, C, Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee, or D, Pete Doctor and Bob Peterson? >> It's going to be B, the Aladdin team again, right? Final answer. >> That is right. >> Yeah. >> Ron Clements and John Musker. Dang, I can't believe you right now. >> Disney Renaissance for the win. >> That is right. All right, question number nine, who directed Disney's Beauty and the Beast 1991? Was it A, Brad Bird, B, Ron Clements and John Musker, C, Chris Sanders and Dean DeBlois, or D, Gary Truesdale and Kirk Wise? >> Oh, shoot, shoot. It can't make the two that I'm thinking of who were the last, the previous answer. There's no way they could have done all of those '90s Renaissance, okay? So that means they would have done Little Mermaid, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast. But those all have that like the eyes, the Disney eyes and the music is very similar. But then at the same time, let's say there was too many movies being made, that fourth one sounded interesting. What was that? The last option. This one is D, Gary Truesdale and Kirk Wise. >> Okay, so those guys have been in this game since like question two, so they need to have a movie attached to that. >> They need a win. >> They need to win. I know it's not Jennifer Lee and I know it's not Brad Bird, was the other option. >> Brad Bird, Jennifer Lee was not on here because Brad Bird, Ron Clements and John Musker, Chris Sanders and Dean Blois, or Gary Truesdale and Kirk Wise. Okay, so it's not Chris Sanders and it's not the first one. >> Okay. >> I shouldn't have revealed that because now I'm going to ask for 50/50. I don't have any friends to phone. We should set that up next time. That's hilarious. >> We should. It's pretty great. >> Okay, so I'm going to- >> Let us know if you want to be a friend to call on the show. That'd be a heck of fun, actually. >> Ooh. >> If any of you want to volunteer to be a friend to call for the, who wants to be a millionaire? >> Yes. >> If you want to be a Disney holic, that is our new game. We're going to start it from here. >> That'd be really fun. We usually record like Tuesday nights, so if you're available, we could do that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I can't picture their name in the credits, though, Ron. I can't picture, but it's like, in cursive. Okay, tell me the last option one more time. >> Gary Truesdale and Kirk Wise. >> I'm going to go with that duo. >> That duo is correct. >> Okay. >> You said wait. >> I was about to second guess. Okay, good. Okay, good. I, that one, I could picture in the cursive. That's so weird. >> Wow. You're at 90% right now, let's see if you can get to 100 with more money. >> Pressure's on. Pressure's on. >> Now I went a little more classic, but not too far back on this one. >> Wait, I'd like to just leave with the 90,000 that I have or whatever. Do you want to, oh, yeah. >> Do-do-do-do-do. >> Go double. >> All right, question number 10, who directed Disney's Robin Hood, 1973? >> There's no way. >> Was it A, Wolfgang Reitherman and David Hand, B, Wilfred Jackson, C, John Loudsbury, or D, Clyde Geromie, or sorry, Geronomy? >> These all sound like made-up names. >> Wait, there's like Wolverine, and then there's a Hollyball. >> Wolverine. >> Hollyball-yberry. Okay. >> Loudsbury. >> Okay, Wolfgang Reitherman and David Hand is A, B, Wilfred Jackson, C, John Loudsbury, or D, Clyde Geronomy. >> Have we done a proper episode on Robin Hood? >> Not just the movie. >> Right? I feel like we would have because we love it, but we should. And that's why I don't know it, like that one, like none of those names sound familiar to me. And I'm going to just do a 50/50 to narrow it down, please. >> Okay. Okay. I'm going to give you A, Wolfgang Reitherman and David Hand, or C, John Loudsbury. >> It looks like I still have one bonus. >> Why did I pick those two? Because one of them is right. And those are the only two you called out for, like, things you were associating with. >> Those are like the silliest names, and one is the answer, that's funny. How can we do and ask the audience? >> That was another option you had on that game show. >> Yeah, we have to think that one through. >> Which speaking of, there was a, who wants to be a millionaire game show at the parks at one point? That's so funny. I didn't get to go to that. >> We should do a deep dive on that. >> Yes. And play the game. >> So much good stuff. >> Here we go. >> Disney content is endless. >> It just keeps going. >> It just keeps going. >> We just came up with at least three new episode ideas while recording this one. >> Okay. >> I'm good. >> But who wants to be a millionaire and something earlier? >> There was another one. >> Goodness. >> Zootopia. >> Zootopia. Oh, yeah, background of movies that were in development and hell for a long time. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So I'm going to eliminate Dingleberry because that just seems like too perfect for that movie. >> That's so rude. >> It's just too cute and like surewood foresty. So it can't be that. I'm going to go with Wolfgang and his friend. >> Wolfgang. Hi, Thurman. That is correct. >> Really? >> 100%. Hey, Wolfgang, Reitherman and David Han. I am so impressed right now. >> Okay. >> I literally thought you were going to get like a zero just like I probably would. I think I might have gotten like 20% just because I happened to guess the right person. >> You know what's funny too is when I think about my fandom in general, look whether it's Disney movies or Pixar Marvel. I spend more time marinating in the leading up to the frickin movie itself than the actual movie. >> That's true. That's true. >> And so I'm thinking about these names and I'm always like paying attention when like the director gets swapped out. Like Wicked is one bringing it up my own, my whole personality. >> I thought that personality had changed already. >> Nope. Nope. I'm about to watch it again tonight after we finish recording. So but that one was in development to hell for like almost 20 years. And so reading about so many directors in and out of that, I find that stuff just so interesting. So it sucks when the movie sucks, but in some cases, you know, it leads up and it was worth the wait. >> Wow. >> But yeah, Zootopia has a really interesting iceberg to go along with it. >> I love it. Well, congratulations, you aced the test today. >> Yeah. >> Very, very impressive. And this leads us into another conversation. And I want to ask you, when I ask you that final question about Robin Hood, you said immediately you're like, oh, I'm going to have no idea. Why did you have that feeling? >> It doesn't fit into a period that I'm familiar with of Disney animation. Like it's not the Renaissance. It's not like that Snow White, very beginning stuff, kind of like all that stuff in between, including like black culture and Fox in the Hound. I don't know too much about it unless we've done an episode about it. >> Right. Yeah. True. Very true. So this is a perfect segue into directing at Disney, which is currently an exhibit at the Walt Disney Family Museum, as well as a book. And I did get to go to the Walt Disney Family Museum and listen to a talk done by Pete Doctor and Don Perry. So Pete Doctor, if you guys are familiar, he is obviously, as we just found out, a director of tons of different Pixar films. And the CEO, no, I should know this, I applied to be his. >> Yeah. I was just speaking of it. >> CCO. Oh, Pixar. >> Yep. One of the original guys. >> How crazy would that be? I remember at the talk, like he walked out on stage and I leaned over to Joy and I was like, did I ever tell you I applied to be his EA? I would be here right now, like helping him. >> How exciting. You should have been like, hey, did you ever look at my resume or? >> Hey, did you get my application? Yeah. It was like a very quick, generic response back that they already filled the role or whatever. >> Dang. >> Missed that train. But that's okay. So yes, Pete Doctor, all of us know and love him. And then Don Perry, who is a Disney historian, so he's very involved in, especially things at the Walt Disney Family Museum and a just wealth of information coming from this guy. So these two paired up to create this exhibit and book together. So the, let me see here, I put a bunch of stuff in this document and then I lost where I was at. So let me get back over to it real quick. All right. So the talk was super fun, first of all, Pete Doctor is an amazing panelist, like he's just like super relatable and like really funny, like he had all these jokes the whole time. They're just like kind of dry, but it would make everybody like burst into laughter, like I really like that kind of humor and it's almost like you weren't ready for it because he says it so matter of factly and then you catch on like wait, that was hilarious and it starts laughing like how cool, imagine working at Pixar and like that too gets to do your like quarterly town hall. I know. I know. I really like him. Like he, when he, when he speaks, it's more instead of like, like for instance, Don Perry, both of them are amazing hosts, like just great. However, like Don Perry, I felt was like a little more like something you would go see at a panel just like this, but then Pete Doctor felt like the commentary almost like he's talking like we would, you know, it was just like a different vibe from the two of them, but both very amazing got through their information very clearly and it was, it was great. So really, really good talk. We also got to go to the Lucasfilm, the ILM theater, which I still never gotten to do. So cool you guys. Wow. If you ever get a chance, that would be half of the reason to even go check out one of these talks, if it's at the ILM theater, which isn't too often, but it'll tell you on the event description, the Walt Disney Family Museum talks are always amazing regardless where they're at, but check them out if you are interested. But yeah, the, the, the theater I found out is open often. So if you look up the, or not the theater, I'm sorry, the lobby of the theater and you get to see a ton of cool stuff in there that you could take photos of and take photos with and lots of people go there and they kind of stop at the Yoda fountain out front and take photos there, but the lobby is open quite a few hours. So if you just look that up, you can go walk inside to the Lucasfilm lobby and it's just really cool. And some of your favorite in San Francisco character costume things are like right there like standing. Right. So cool. Like as soon as you walk in, there's an R2D2 right there like what? So just, it's really, really cool and they have all these giant, I actually want to go on a tour of it. Anybody knows how you can do that let me know, but there's all these massive movie posters around the lobby and they are not Lucasfilm ones. They're like older classic films and then lots of them I never heard of before too. So I'm like, what's the story on this selection? Like who picked these and why and I need to know more. So I'm very into that. Yeah. Oh and get your picture in front of the Yoda fountain outside. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good stop. Just right around the corner there so you can kind of do your little routine and take a walk around the campus there. It's really, really pretty. Anyways, I'm totally tangiting on how cool this place is. So back to the talk, Don Perry and he was so, he's a Disney historian. Also he was the author of working with Walt and working in, or what Disney, gosh I can't talk, sorry. And then he also co-authored Walt Disney's first lady of Imagineering Harriet Burns book. It's great. And then he's a consultant for the Walt Disney Family Museum. So those are kind of their backgrounds. And I loved how they started off the panel and this relates back to what we were talking about. Pete Dr. asks, he's like, we're all big Disney fans in here, right? Like raise your hand if you're a Disney fan, like we're like yeah, obviously right, we're all crazy about it. And then he goes, who directed Snow White and like, crickets, right? Like, nobody, I think one person yelled at, he's like, okay, if anywhere someone's gonna know it, it'll be here, right? Just like one person and the whole audience knew it. He's like, who directed Pinocchio? Nobody knew. And so he's really pointing out that we don't know these directors from back in the day. Like they just didn't have the exposure that we have today on directors. And like, they're really the ones running to show it at some point, right? So it's really cool to get to highlight them. So what they've created is this book that I picked out of a bunch. What, Disney didn't direct Snow White? This is hilarious that you say that because one of the lines I have on here quoted, Pete Dr. said he's heard many people say before, didn't direct all of these films. And if he didn't, who did? So that's why they created the book. They're actually just Don Perry that said that. So that's why they created the book because a lot of people just don't know that it's not Walt creating all of these films. Well, you know what? He sure did take credit. No, I'm just kidding. Well, I guess because he was the studio head, he was like the Kevin Feige. Yes. Yeah. So he hands them off. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's fascinating. Wow. That blew my mind. I did not know he did not direct Snow White. Right. I still don't know who directed Snow White. I learned and I forgot. Who directed? Oh, you know what? It always, for a long time, they would always say Walt Disney's blink. Snow White. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Who's a director of Snow White? It was, oh, has a bunch of people. Yeah. Purse, Pierce, William Cortel, or Cottorow, Larry Morrie, Wilford Jackson, and Ben Sharps' Dean. I've heard of quite a few of those. So. Okay. That's a lot of people for one movie, Rest in Peace. I know. Yes, Rest in Peace. So once they realize, it's not only me who doesn't know this, most people don't. And another great moment with Pete Doctor was when he was working on the movie Up. There was that scene with Carl flying away with the house, right? And he was trying to think of other films for thinking of how to direct that scene. And he was watching Peter Pan with his kids at home. And there's that scene where he goes, "Come on, everybody. Here we go." Right? Yeah. And he's like, "Wow, who came up with that shot? Was that the director? Wait, who is the director?" And he was like, "I don't know the director of Peter Pan either." And so that really got them on this thing together where he called up Don Perry, and he's like, "Is this a problem that we should work on fixing," or sharing, I guess is a better word than fixing, but yeah. So then they reached out to Walt Disney Family Museum, got this whole thing together, created this book, and an exhibit for you to visit. So super, super cool. Smart. You know, I want to start seeing these type of things at Hollywood Studios, these exhibits. Oh my God, that would be amazing. They have all this space coming. You know, they have that. It's a good point. They have the One Man's Dream exhibit. If they just had like an extra room at the end of that where they could put like rotating fashion, that would be super cool. Yes. That would be super, super cool. Because like this exhibit, I would love to see at the park specifically. So the talk went pretty deep into the weeds on the stories of each individual director that they highlighted in this book, and it's most of the first directors of Disney, right? Like way back in the day, Snow White, Pinocchio, like that era. And they really go into their experiences, experiences creating these movies, and also just sharing like historical details about how and why and who these people were. So if you ever want to learn not only like who directed this movie, but like what is this person about, this book will tell you all of that. Then they also got really into the weeds on the operational stuff. So if you have an operational brain like us, and like if you're watching our YouTube right now, the background, like this looks like a pretty boring background for our episode, but this is fascinating to me the way they went through the historical timeline of the directing features at Disney, and it changed so much is constantly evolving, constantly growing. And like for example, this is their 1936 to 1948, like org chart, essentially, right? We love an org chart. We love a visual. Yep. So they have like a director, they have supervising directors, and they have four sequence directors, and then it bleeds out to all the other departments. Like it just, it's wild. And then it comes together at the end into camera, anterprint, and re-recording, and then the final film. So just like, they went through the entire setup for us to understand what each of those mean. Because I didn't know what like, I know what ink and paint is, for instance, but like, I don't know what anterprint is. So like what are these things, right? I don't know about one of them. So they wanted to, right? They wanted to find detail about all these and all that's included in the book as well. So super, super cool talk. You know what's cool too is if you're talking about that animation era, Snow White, Peter Pan, all that, a lot of these are first time things that didn't exist. So like some of these people that are doing these jobs didn't even know how do you film this animation cell and make this background, right? Like it didn't exist before. They were doing things for the very first time. Super innovative. Wow. Isn't that fascinating? It's so, so cool. They also talked about some of their personal experiences. Why can't I not say experiences today? Oh my goodness. They also talked about their personal experiences of being directors at Disney and shared like some of the tough parts for the directors in the book, as well as like the good ones, right? For instance, that like being a director under Walt was actually pretty hard sometimes. And you can see here on this org chart thing that Walt was at the very top, he's like involved in everything. So Walt had his hands in every single thing, even though he might not be the lead director on the project, he was involved for sure. And they actually thought before they like came up with their final title for the book that they might name it, directing at Disney between Walt and a hard spot. Oh, yeah. It definitely like unveiled and shared a whole lot of information of what it really feels like to be working in the Disney studios at that time and is just super, super cool. So moving on to the exhibit now, now this is the part that you can still visit. The talk was one time only, gone, not forgotten kind of deal. But the exhibit is there at the Walt Disney Family Museum in the Presidio of San Francisco. It is called directing at Disney and it's in the downstairs, I don't remember what it's called. There's a gallery downstairs right before you enter into the theater where the talks usually are if you're familiar with that. There's only really one area once you go downstairs, so just check it out downstairs. And it's free. So it's not a paid exhibit. Sometimes they have ones that are added on, this one's just free and you can walk right in very, very cool. You don't even have to have access to the museum, you can go straight to the exhibit. The inspiration for the exhibit came, you know, from the, directly from the book. And the guest curators, of course, were Peter, Dr. Don Perry. And then there's also Marina Villar, Villar, V-R-V-I-L-L-A-R, Villar, Villar, Villalgado. And they all kind of put their minds together of like, how can we now turn his book? Into an experience, right? How can you go to the museum and walk through this book? And then they put out a ton of content, including focuses on highlights of these legendary directors, like Ben Sharpsstein, David Hand, Ham Lusk, Wilfred, Jackson, Willie Reiderman, and then a couple other unique contributions to the different Disney films. In the exhibit, you can see rare film artifacts. This is like the fun stuff for me. I like seeing physical things, right? So you get to see rare film artifacts, including storyboards, production notes, concept art, and handwritten letters. Archival photographs of Walt and his early production teams, we all love that, right? Getting to see like little known photos of anything Disney really, especially Walt. And then insight on how animation directors shaped Disney films and influenced modern filmmakers. So that's really, really cool. And then they have some interactive features, because like, let's get real. That's like half the fun of going to museums is getting to become part of it, right? Yes. So they have touchscreen interactives with additional digital content. They also have activity sheets. So this is for all age, and you can kind of work on your own screenplay writing or camera angles, world building, like all sorts of different things that you might witness as being a director in a Disney film. And then my favorite thing, activity here, was the try timing out. And it was basically an animated sequence from Peter Pan, and it was when Peter Pan was fighting hook, or Captain Hook, and you can like time where the scenes should chop. Like it's hard to explain, but you would like kind of direct your own little section of Peter Pan. And once you've done that, it replays your version of the... That's neat. Oh, I would love that. Yeah. The scene. Mm-hmm. Very, very cool. So I would say, give yourself about, it's probably only about an hour that you would need. So it's really not that much time. So if you're planning on visiting the museum in general, attack on an extra hour to go down to that exhibit and check it out. Lots of stuff to read. Just to see lots of photos and learning about these individual directors in their progress that they made through the Walt Disney Company. Yeah. It was really great. I really enjoyed it. You know what I miss right now is the stuff that used to be at DCA in the animation? With the blue sky seller? Oh, that too. But no, in the animation building, you got to like animate these papers, and then the Ursula thing that we loved. So much. Gone. I think all that's left is... Is it being the piece or is that gone, too? Right now it's gone. I can't remember what they're doing with it. How sad. It's close right now, but I can't remember if that's coming back or what's going on with that. At least I think it is. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. That one. I could be wrong. But you loved it. You loved the exhibit. Yes, I loved the exhibit. Oh, the Zoetrope. I was just thinking about the Zoetrope. Yes. I thought within some museum and like Canada recently, like what? What? Things still around, so cool. But that's cool because you get to like see this thing come to life that people, you know, create. They should bring more of that back. I agree. Yes, please. Yes. So if you want to visit the exhibit at the Walt Disney Family Museum, it is open through March 16th, 2025. So get there in the next couple months. Again, it is free to the public. You can hop right in. Check it out. No cost. And no, we don't need to buy a ticket or anything. And even more fun, the Walt Disney Family Museum actually gave us an extra copy of their book directing at Disney. So we have a giveaway. Wow. All right. I had a giveaway in a while. Thank you, Walt Disney Family Museum. Yes. Thank you so much. So if you would like to own your own beautiful hard cover Walt Disney Family Museum provided directing a Disney book, what you need to do is go to our Instagram at the Disney Hallics on, you know, as of today, we'll be posting a giveaway thread for you to go ahead and add your information in and follow the rules that we set up on there. And we will pull the winner shortly. So this is a cool book for so many types of people. If you like animation or if you like operations or if you like business and just seeing how things are run history, history, there's so much in this book. So much. Yes. It's a really, really good one. So if you'd like to try to win one, check out our Instagram post and join the fun. And I know we talked about Walt Disney Family Museum several times on this podcast. But seriously, if you haven't been, you really have to go like make the trip. The two things that I'm thinking of right now that I remember blew my mind were one, the Disneyland model is so huge, like you go down this windy staircase thing and it's just so impressive. And then you get to control a freaking animatronic bird, like a Tiki bird, barker bird, you get to control it. There's usually a cast member, oh, shoot, I don't know if they're called cast members at the Walt Disney Family Museum. It's not part of the Disney family museum. Oh, shoot, you're right. Someone who works at the Walt Disney Family Museum, usually standing nearby that model of the, of Disneyland and they are always full of knowledge, pick their brain, like every, every so often I'll like start asking them, like, I'll notice something new that I didn't notice before. Like, what's the story on that? Why is that designed that way? It doesn't look like that today at Disneyland. Like, there's questions that you might have, just ask, they usually have such cool stories to tell you. Wow. And that model is Walt Disney's Disneyland. So you might see some things that were either, you know, not there any longer or never there and like, something that Walt had wanted. So it's very, very cool history on even just that right, that model. Yeah, it is mind blowing and you will sob tears at the end as well. Oh, no. So it is an experience and it is beautiful also. The museum is absolutely beautiful and halfway through you get this random view of the Golden Gate Bridge. Yes. I'm expecting it's just like, it's so good. Like, I love you get kind of like, sit there for a minute and just take a breather and go through the rest of the museum. So, so good. So yes, check them out. I'm actually really sad. This is one of the things I thought about when I was moving. I was like, oh my gosh, the Walt Disney Family Museum. So now I'm planning. All right. This is one of those things I want to schedule my visits because I'm obviously going to come home a lot to visit. Yeah. I'm like, I'm going to schedule it around talks at the Walt Disney Family Museum because I love it that much. So there you go. That makes sense. Yeah. If you're into D23 and the panels and listening to people teach you like really intricate things about their career or about a certain topic, check out these talks. They are so worth it. It's so fascinating. And then you usually get to meet them after I went up and met Pete Doctor at the end. Like not everybody gets to say that and he'll sign your book or something. So. Ooh. I didn't think of that. I do like a takeaway. Yeah. Exactly. All right. So today we were talking mostly about directing at Disney. Mike killed it and you all of the directors and I would love to hear what you guys thought about that. You guys also knew all of the directors because I will be so impressed. And then of course we talked about the experience of visiting the Walt Disney Family Museum to see the exhibit and our free giveaway of the directing at Disney book. Make sure to check our Instagram out to jump in that giveaway. Well, good luck on the giveaway and thanks for listening. We hope you enjoyed episode 225 of the Disney Haulics Show. Follow us on social media at the Disney Haulics. And if you'd like to get in touch, send us a DM on Instagram or contact us at TheDisneyHaulics.com. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. I really want to go to Disneyland.