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Don't Steal This Podcast: "It's All a Gamble" (w/ J5 & Pafifi)

New on The BlkPrint: 'Don't Steal This Podcast' Featuring RNC RADIO Veteran & J5's Best Man, Pafifi!

In this week's episode, J5 sits down with his longtime friend Pafifi for a deep dive into two of the most pressing topics of the moment: the annoying hoops job seekers jump through in today’s recruiting scene and the frenzy surrounding TikTok’s looming ban and possible sale. With J5 fresh off rounds of interviews and weeks of anticipation, the two discuss the pitfalls of an exhausting hiring process, why recruiters can be so elusive, and what it all means for folks trying to land a solid gig right now. Meanwhile, as social media users brace for TikTok’s uncertain future, they unpack the online upheaval, questioning whether the app is simply too big to fail after the ban swindle.

Throughout the episode, J5 and Pafifi also find time to explore the lighter side of life: from the proper etiquette of flopping on plans to the excellence of AMC Burbank, plus the latest wave of boycotts against major corporations and the boom in sports-betting mania. Of course, we couldn’t help but share how “American Pie” and “Not Another Teen Movie” triggered adulthood for many kids in the early 2000s.

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Duration:: 1h 5m
Broadcast on:: 29 Jan 2025
Audio Format:: other

- Yo, yo, yo, what's going on and welcome back to Don't Steal This Podcast on the Black Print Network. I am Justin, J5, whatever you wanna call me, I'm recovering from a really bad cold. And we'll talk about that later. - That's why we're sitting close together. - Yeah, well, I'm good now, but I was worse last week. We were supposed to shoot this a couple of days ago and I got sick. Obviously, I'm here. MC is where he loves to be in the control room. - Yes. Way more preferred. - I can't see me, but just use theater of the mind. - He loves being in the control room. And, you know, I respect it, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause as we said before, this is a podcast where we're gonna have a revolving door, a post, and guests, and people coming through. And we got my good friend, my best friend, my best man, right here. The boy Puffif, Pat, what's going on, brother? I gotta say, you were the first white person that's ever been in this show. - What? - I realized the problem with these mics, I thought they were bowed, but they're rowed. - The rowed, yes. Not the clothing. - 'Cause I actually don't even, I've never said that brand out loud before. Is that how you do it? - Is it bodey, or is it bodey? - I don't know. - I'm very happy to be here as the inaugural white. - Yeah, the inaugural Cragger. - That's to join the show. - Is it really, is that true? - Yes, we have never had, well, when we did black print radio, we had, it's the real one there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, we're on first. - Okay, yeah, that's what I was thinking of. - This isn't black and radio, this is Don't Still's podcast. We've still never had a white person on black print. - No, I don't think so. We had, we had, it's the real, we had Matt Fast out on a Mac. - Yeah, Matt. - This is birthday the other day. - Yup. - I can't remember anybody else. - Yeah, we've never. - This is, I'm gonna fact check that. 'Cause I don't wanna, I wanna make sure we're not, we're not excluding anybody here. - If it is true, congratulations on setting an average bar. (laughing) - You weren't supposed to be the inaugural guest of Don't Still This podcast. Quick fun fact. - Yeah, you were, you were. - Yeah, co, co, inaugural guest didn't happen. - Didn't happen. - Well, we're gonna, we're gonna go back in and we're gonna re-record that. I talked about that last episode. Me, Eric and Pat, we did a whole, we did a whole almost two hours that is lost to the ether. I don't even know if Mark's still has it. - It was great too, it was great. - You can't actually hear me. So it actually might be more. (laughing) You can't hear me at all. 'Cause I had the dead mic and you guys had the good mics. So, you know. - Eric, Eric got a few off. - Don't tell him I said that. - He really did, he really did. And you know, we're gonna have Eric back really soon. We're gonna have a really cool lineup. We had an episode with Armon last week. Armon, Sadler, good, our good friend. Thank you so much Armon for coming on the show. Thank you everybody that listened to it and just really enjoyed, you know, all the stuff we talked about, very personal. I wanna get personal today. 'Cause I mean, this is the perfect day to do this and to just talk about all the stuff that's going on. But again, welcome, welcome Pat to the show. - Thank you, thank you. - I'm around for a lot of the stuff. - Oh yeah, I'm prepared to be here every week if I have to be. - Okay, cool. I mean, fuck it. Let's do it, fuck it. As I said before, we were supposed to record this couple days ago, I got sick and nothing like really hit home that I'm like getting older than the fact that like getting a cold put me on my fucking ass last week. Like, I was like huffing for air. I couldn't fucking breathe. I was like, it felt like the flu, but it really wasn't. Like, I was just, it was like a cold, just like the worst cold ever, unless it's like the new RSV cold or some shit. - I, you did sound like shit when I talked to you on the phone. - Yeah. - And that was Saturday. - We were supposed to go see flight risk. - We were gonna go see flight risk, starring some bigots. (laughing) - Wait, Topregrances in the bigots. - Topregrances in the bigots. - Starring one and made by another. - Yeah. - That's what I meant, that's what I meant to say. And then, like, basically everybody, like had a decent enough reason to flake. - Yeah. - And so it was a collective, it was a great collective flake. - Well, listen, the flake, what's the flake zone for common relationships, especially within, within the guys, within the boys? Like, the flake list for me and you, and in our friend group, is that we always know the Eric will flake. - Well, that usually is the-- - Usually, and it depends on, usually, yes, but he's gotten better, I will say, and also-- - You've gotten worse, he's gotten better. - That's true, that's true, and it's true. - You wanna talk about the time when you flaked on me really hard? - That was really bad, I still, I was gonna save this for later in the podcast, but I have recently ordered a gift for you that is not here yet, but for my three strikes last year. - Let me tell you, Mark, about this particular flake, okay? - This was, sorry, hang on, hang on. This was after two phone calls I'd made to Justin earlier in the year, both of which were among the most dire of my life. - To say the least? - I mean, the one-- - I didn't count those against you, no, no, no, I know, I'm just saying it adds up, but you see the forest for the trees, and, you know, I will say before the story gets started, one, we listen and we don't judge on the flake, 'cause sometimes the flake is necessary. - This wasn't a flake, this was just me, like, this was Pat. - It was bad, it was bad, Mark, I was pretty mad. - I felt so bad. - I don't usually get mad at Pat often, but I was pretty upset every that day, because what movie was it that we were supposed to go see, it was last year? - It was Maxine. Maxine was last summer, and I was like, usually when I say I'm gonna go, I rarely ever flake. If I say like I'm gonna be there, what if I ever flake, like literally never? - No, you're like a flaking lieutenant, like if somebody initiates the flake and you want to, you're really good about pulling the cord, like back in the bed. Yeah, like what I called you, even if you had it been sick the other night, I was like, I mean, it's Saturday night, I know he kind of wants to stay home and not watch this movie that's gonna be-- - I was ready to go! I was too, I'm just saying, you know, that's just like how it-- - So pretty much, right, Mark? I was like, I want to go see Maxine, I'm not sure if Jessica, my wife wants to go. You know what I mean? I'm not really clear if she wants to go. She really liked X, she really liked what was it, Pearl. I don't know what she wants to go, but so we go to movies together, right? - Are these all horror movies? - Yes. - So, well, Maxine was kind of like-- - The titles and I'm like-- - They sound a little bit horror. I actually wanted Mark to go see the monkey with us there. - I know, I know. - And then Mark, I was like, Pat calls me Mark, he's like, yo, the line's too long. Like, we gotta go now. And I was like, fuck, like, I was like, let me see if Mark can fucking go. Mark says-- - Mark, I'm gonna mark Instagram, he's a one minute ago uploader video of the Heat Square. - I'm gonna be screaming at my TV, I am completely okay with a flop. For any of my friends that, if we have plans, the week before, we have plans for a plan for the next week, and you're just like, a little bit anxious, and you just don't wanna do it, please flop. Oh my god. - No, but I wanted Mark to go, 'cause the thing is, I want Mark to like-- - It was the Beyond Fest experience. - Yeah, the experience, this experience. Like, it's a really cool thing to go to, and Mark's like, I'm naked, bro. And I'm just like, all right, well, I'm just gonna go. - I was like, I'm on the lotion job. (laughing) - I'm super, super, and for any of my friends that know me, I'm super, super descriptive. If I need to be somewhere, I was gonna be like, yo, just dump that a shower, about the lotion up, and I'm good, I'm about to hop in the car, about 10 minutes out, I'll see my location. I'm super, and I used to be the worst about it. - I'm like, bro, all right, I was like, I felt bad, but I was like, I really wanna see the market. So anyway, back to the flake of the Maxine flake. I get up, I'm driving to go see the movie, and literally, and I guess you and our friend Westa had a conversation about how you guys are gonna flake in a text message, as I'm driving to the theater. - But it was in our group text, I think, or this might've been a different one that we all flaked on. - That shows you how much the flake on you. - That's why I said it's not, it's usually, almost never, actually, I can't even think of a time it's actually good. - Well, I think that West wanted to take his fiance. - Yeah, 'cause Maxine broke containment. The ladies found out about it. - Yeah, and your girlfriend wanted to go, and wait, wait, you were like, well, She can't go right now. So I'm gonna go where how she goes and I'm not gonna go. And then once I was like, well, I'm not gonna go. And me, I'm just in the car. I'm about to go check out the movie with the boys. I get there. - Just think it's all the text at once when he gets out of the elevator. - I got out the fucking car, Mark. I'm like walking up to, to, to, to, to do. I check, and you know, when I drive, I don't check my text. - Yeah, see. - Like I don't, I don't even look at my text when I, I tell my workflow times don't text and drive. Like I'm not looking at my text. I don't, like the most I look at is like my Spotify. - You put the shit on your phone, the quiet it? - No, I, well, yeah. Well, it's quiet on car mode anyway. So I don't even get the vibration. So that's why-- - I do Gavin News. - I don't even get the vibration. When I'm walking through them all to get to the movie theater, and they flicked on me. And I was like, well, I guess I gotta fucking turn and go home. - Wow. - It was insane. And Pat was like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, bro, if you guys are going to do this, 'cause I live very close to the theater that we all frequent. So it's like a 10 minute, maybe 15 minute drive for me, but it's still a drive. You know what I mean? I was like, bro, like the flake is so crazy. Like Eric will flake while everyone is there. (laughing) Like that's the difference. Like this was a flake in motion. Eric will be like, it'll be 740, movie starts to eight. It's like, ah man, it works crazy. Don't think I'm going to make the Uber to get over there. And it's like, wow, shit, we got an empty seat. It's cool. - Yeah. - This was like an in motion flake. And I think that to me is like the most annoying, the most annoying-- - It was bad, 'cause there was no chance for, you couldn't watch the movie, you weren't there yet, and you couldn't stay home. - Yeah, yeah. - So I got some, I got dinner and then I fucking went home. - Where'd you go? - Slicehouse, baby. - Was that pizza? - Yeah, it's like the new hotness. - Is he only place he eats in Burbank now? - Well, I mean, not the only pizza spot. - It's the only spot next to the theater. - I mean, I mean, I keep the secret. Everybody knows Burbank's '60s. - Yeah, it's the hottest scene. It's the hottest theater in the city. - It's the hottest theater in the city? - Everybody goes to Burbank's '60s. - Now it is. - Yeah, everybody, it's not like the Arklight vibe. Arklight is like a very fancy Shmancy theater we used to go to. - Okay. - But Burbank's '60s-- - Come back, it's coming back. - Hopefully. This where all the actors go opening night, they go watch their movies. More often than not, if you're going to go see a movie Friday opening night, either the production team will be there, some of the actors will show up. Like, we went to go see Alien. I think we were like maybe a day late and we could have been in there with the director. You know what I mean? He was watching it and he did all this shit. Like, they'll just pop in. So it's cool to go for the experience, like to that theater. But Slice House is fucking fire. It's like Big New York Slice is a pizza. - Okay. - Is it really, is it really New York Slice a pizza? - I don't fucking, I don't fucking know. It's greasy. So I guess-- - Yeah, they're big. - They're big. - They're big slices. - Yeah, you can fold it. - You can definitely fold it. - Listen, I'm not looking for-- - Some people whore out the New York name and it's just like-- - It's the same. - I don't have no loyalty to the New York Slice. - Yeah. (laughing) - I'm like, I don't give a shit. My only pizza thing is, you know what? I do not like deep dish. It's just a bunch of sauce. - I still gotta do it. - I still gotta do it. - You haven't done deep dish? Well, we went to puzzle pizza. That was deep dishes. - Oh, that was technically deep. It wasn't like Detroit style. - Oh yeah, it was Detroit style, yeah, yeah. - I wanna do like authentic Chicago. - You should go to BJ's then. BJ's does the closest to, like, authentic, okay? It does the closest to Chicago style boiler plate that you can get. - The real Chicago home run is the tavern style. - Yeah. - It's a little squares. - Yeah. - Come on. - The squares that are perfect. - It's uneven and shit like that. So, you know, Pat's a flaker. - That's fine. - Not totally, not regularly. - No, not regularly, but-- - More than you. - Flaked nonetheless. - But, you know, Pat and I've had countless stories in the past 10, 15 years that we could go on. I don't hold the flaking against you. - Thank you. - But, so ever. - Eric still has the best one where he just vanished. - Does he vanish that randomly? - Yeah. - In the middle of the night? - He took drugs at a hotel. - What's going on? Let's talk about that when he's not-- - Sometimes I do side mission. - Let's not talk about this when he's not here. - Side mission's always fun. - On the real, Eric's vamp out. And he has to come on the show to talk about this. His vamp out moment is the reason why me and Pat became closer because we had literally nowhere else to go. Like, I met Pat off Twitter, right? I met all you motherfucker. - I met Eric on Twitter. - Yeah, we all met all you motherfucker. Like, Eric is legit the only person that I know that I did not meet on Twitter. - Yeah. (laughs) - Legit, like, all of my friends, I met them off Twitter mostly, like, except, like, even Josh, like, even Josh, me and Josh, we met on Twitter and, you know, we, that's my brother, that's my best friend too. And you, you're my best friend, past my best friend, Eric is legit the only person that I knew in real life before any of this. - I remember Eric being stunned at the 2019 RNC Cookout. He was just looking around at everybody that was here, just off Twitter, he was like, you really get all that. Damn, this is really all off social media? - Yeah. I mean, I mean, me and Eric were just at a baby shower this weekend and everybody I knew at this thing was either from Twitter or I met them through the people I met on Twitter. - It's crazy. It's crazy how it's our ex. - You throwing an ex out? - You should, you should do the job. - No, I could do, I could do another, uh, you could do another signal. - You know what I'm saying? - All by oboe, by the way, I forgot to say we did forget somebody earlier. Very ashamed to say so. Shout out to Real Boss and Jeremy Carellis. - Oh yeah. Jeremy Carellis, three white people, or four white people, four white people, five, six where Eric comes around. - There we go. - There's a lot of white people. We love white people. Mostly. - Okay. - Speaking of social media. - Speaking of social media, we just want to talk about this a little bit more at length last week because it was kind of new and fresh and now it's kind of like, whatever, but TikTok died in like the Undertaker came back to life. - How about the Casket Basket Basket? - Reincarnated. - Mm-hmm. - Uh man, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. - That's how it really felt and it woke up. - The TikTok was back on Sunday morning. - The TikTok, the TikTok drama permeated throughout all of social media. And one of the biggest displays of political theater I've ever seen in my life. And that we were all a part of it. - Mm-hmm. - And went down for me and I'm not gonna lie to you. I just did something else. - Oh, okay, how about I say it, Dory? Were you one of the ones that probably felt bad? - No, I just did something else. - Did you post a screenshot? - Oh, it really did. - No, I did it. (laughing) No, I did it. I mean, I barely post on Instagram now. I barely, I just went back to Twitter a couple days ago and I really just shit post on there now. - How was that? - I really, I go on there to literally troll people. Like, I don't give a shit anymore. - Do you take a while on the street and see everything that's just like, like, I like that shapel skit? - It's bullshit. All of social media is kind of bullshit now. Except for like blue sky, blue sky is cool, but blue sky is also not insane enough for me. - Yeah, because nothing will ever be as unhinged as Twitter. - Nothing will be. Like, nothing on blue sky is crazy enough for me. Like, blue sky is like, very nice, very cool, very cordial. I go on there like, yeah, let's have a conversation. Fuck that. I want like, drama. I want somebody to explore the-- - Or jokes. - Yeah, like, there's jokes, but it's like, it's a very liberal skewing app. - Oh, yeah, because it's, I mean, it's like everybody, like, just went to, most people who are on blue sky are on there because they don't want to be on X. - Yeah. - Either for political reasons or for like, it does suck to be on now. It isn't fun to use. - Right. - It is like, you know, all the ads are weird and all over the place and it's, I don't go on there at all, really. It looks like it's sent a tweet. Like, I just don't go. - Well, it's hard to, and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, I mean, Mark did. Like, it's hard to start over. You know what I mean? And it's very hard to start over, but it's like TikTok was where we could all kind of converge and I'll say videos, I'll send videos. - It also happened, like, I mean, organically, you know, whatever, you want to say it. It wasn't like, oh, they turned off Snapchat. We're all going to TikTok now. Like, TikTok like just kind of happened. People didn't know how to, this is even weird to think about. Now, people didn't know how to edit video the same way they do now, you know, a lot of, you know, it's just stuff that feels, you know, like with any tech stuff that feels like basic now, you kind of graft it onto your memory of the past. - Yeah. - When like, you know, this like, filming yourself and like quickly cutting a video with like tons of captions all over, it wasn't something like the average person knew how to do a few years ago. - But it became an innate skill, especially for Gen Z, which, you know, they make up a large part of the 170, 180, they always tout that number, million Americans that use it. And I mean, essentially it was used, listen, I'm not giving nobody props here because at the end of the day, this shit was never going anywhere. By dance never had to fucking turn the shit off. - Yeah. - And we all, I don't see how like, again, these places are pools for misinformation. Like, the government did not say, on Sunday you got to shut off. - They never said that. - I think it's a, I mean, you know, whatever. Maybe, you know, web hosters have fines, whatever. I don't know enough about any of this shit. What I do know is that no press is bad press. So there's no like, there's never even going to be a definitive why did it shut off, whether they turned it off because they thought they had to or they thought they wanted to. It's good for them. It gets turned off. Whether it's coming back or not coming back, it's better if it briefly goes off for 12 hours. It's good press. - Yeah. - I have no, like, I'm not a, I don't use it really. I, but I don't have any illusions like, oh, like I don't think like Instagram is like the cutting edge. - No, but that was, that was the main conversation was like, I don't wanna go to Instagram. - Yeah, that was certainly. But like, I think there are people who are like, not really aware of like how, you know, like, when Facebook comes along, it's basically over for my space. And when, you know, Twitter comes along, it wasn't over, but it definitely changed the way Facebook worked because, you know, Facebook, like it is now, it was not the way it was when any of us were in high school or colleges completely different. It's like a spam website, basically. And there's not, I mean, I don't know, there's a million different things you could talk about, but it looks good for the Republicans that the timing of it. It was unfortunately been needlessly set up to look good for them. I think collectively, basically anybody in charge of stuff thought that if they could successfully shut it down. - Right. - The only, like, whether it's meta-acquiring bite dance or TikTok or whatever, they're only competition, or the people from TikTok just go to reels, they're counting on making money off of this American company. - Hand over fist. And now, you know, rumored to go to Oracle, which again, in the pocket of a lot of wealthy Republicans and itself, I mean, I'm not a lot of creators on TikTok that are already feeling icky about going on the platform right now, a lot of the criticism. - Yeah, I mean, my advice to those people would be, I mean, no conscious consumerism under capitalism. That's kind of a stupid, that's kind of like a dumb smart guy thing, but like, you're not gonna like-- - It's either that or red note. You know what I mean? - I'm looking at the list of like stuff I can't buy because if they donated to Trump, I'm like, well, I'm gonna go outside and eat like grass or something, like I can't buy any of this shit. - I think the craziest shit is like the third, again, like, we set it already, like the fuck around in the find out part, you know what I mean? Like, obviously like, there's a bunch of really shitty stuff going on right now, the ice raids, you know, that's happening in full forest. I think Chicago's set to be the biggest one this week as we speak right now. - And he's a sanctuary city too. - And it's a sanctuary city, which is like even shittier, and it's like now people are like, oh, I didn't know. And it's like, you know, this is the same literary 2016 all over again, like-- - And also another reason, like, people like actually like learned stuff on TikTok. - Yeah. - Obviously, so generally social media is pretty bad at helping anyone learn real stuff. But people like, I mean, other than like cleaning hacks, like generations of people watch like the Gaza shit happen live. - Real time. - And that's like whether you're a Democrat or Republican or nothing, or just some rich guy, that's basically bad for you in America. Like the fact that people can learn in real time without, you know, the, the American media like filtering it, that is bad for them. - Yeah, and again-- - There's a specific bias in our media, whether that be CNN, CBS, MSNBC, anything-- - Fox, Fox, Fox, but oh, how did I miss them? - They're okay. (laughing) - There's like an obvious bias that you, that, and again, like, I'm not saying TikTok isn't biased, but there's always, there's always a fact check, you know what I mean? There's always like a shoal, whether it be misinformation or information, you know what I'm saying? Like there's always a fact check there, 'cause that's somebody, one of the things on Pat that like they do on TikTok is they stitch. So like when someone says something stupid or someone does something that's like not true, they'll stitch the truth. - Yeah, yeah. - So like that's like a big, a big thing right now. It's like right now it's like the egg prices are still not low, so the people are like, well, we knew what was gonna happen like this, then someone will stitch them saying, I'm like, the eggs are so expensive from like three months ago, it's like oh, so why did your whole mood change, right? So like again, like TikTok has been kind of the source of information in a world where misinformation has run rampant for the past five years. - And this thing of like all the tech companies are suddenly like, you know, right wing, it's not really true, they've kind of been drifting that way for years and years. - For years, yeah. - I mean, they don't moderate at all. - Yeah, exactly. - So like they're inherently work, right wing, and they're also in the pocket of like defense companies and they're taking your information away. - And they're run by everything in tech is right wing. - Yeah. - That spoiler alert and like, oh, you know, people are mad spot if I held some like a inaugural banquet or whatever. - They don't pay artists enough. They did, they've been doing that for a decade, I don't give a fuck what they're doing so they can like help write some shit for Congress. I don't care. They don't pay the hardest. - Yeah, the poor to the high risk. - Yeah, don't get mad about that. Who gives a thing? Yeah, I don't care that they gave, I don't like it, but like they can. - Yeah, and I think that's really what it is. - I'm not taking a stand now. The thing you use it for for the people whose art you consume and claim to love, they're already getting fucked over. So don't get mad now. - Yeah, we've been getting fucked over for a while. You know what I mean? And again, the sense, it's reminding me of 2017, all over again. Let me just, I was blatantly put that out there. Like the post nut clarity that happens literally on the inauguration every single time this motherfucker goes in the office, it happens immediately and violently. Because it's like, what major I think he was not gonna do any of this shit he was talking about? But ultimately, like, come on, man. Like, you know what's gonna happen. You know what I mean? Like, you know what's gonna happen. - And people are also mad that they can't like, because it's Chinese, like they've been involved in terms of the Chinese boogie man. Like, they can't talk to like the boss of TikTok. Like, you know, whether it's like, you know, Zuckerberg or whoever the hell they can like, they can like, they can call the manager. They can't call the manager on TikTok. And that's, they don't like that. Like no matter what is on there. - And ultimately, it doesn't make sense for, like it makes, and I'm wondering how this deal is gonna shake out. 'Cause it's like 70 some days, they got 60 some days for it to happen. Or will they, my ultimate thing would be that they're gonna get 70, 60, whatever, 70 days. They're gonna punt on that. They're gonna punt on it one more time. And then we're just gonna stop hearing about it. - Yep. - It's just gonna go away. - Yeah. - But they're not gonna sell it. - There's nothing inherently beneficial for a bike dance, even money-wise for them to get from this. - No, not at all. - Like, there's no money, there's not a set that they need that's more powerful than the algorithm they have on this app. And that's why I don't think that it's in their best interest to sell, and that's what they fuckin' haven't done it yet. That's why they've been playing chicken. And then they low-key sun does. They sun does. - Oh, it was, it was, yeah. - It was one of the illest moves ever, because they did it, and it wasn't a government, and it left everyone in a sense of confusion, right? And now they've come back, they've thanked Trump for everything, which again-- - Which is like, who knows how true that is or isn't? It doesn't matter, because the fact, like, they can say it and like put us on our heel just by saying it, which is-- - They have the influence. - Yeah. - They have the influence to do so. And, I mean, again, like I said, the creators there, let's start livelihood. So ultimately, like you said, like, there's no, there's no honest consumption under capitalism whatsoever. But I started to notice some odd things going on the app now, and I'm like, yeah, well, you know. - But something else has happened in the past, I mean, I was gonna say days, hours, honestly, since this happened, which is a fuckin', what's it called? OpenSeek. - Oh, yeah, the AI shit. - So now, like, as of recorded in this, it's been like about, I don't know, 24, 48 hours-- - 48 hours since? - Into the first 48 of OpenSeek. I don't know, like, apparently every one of our companies needs like $100 million every hour to keep an AI running. - Yeah, like, they needed $5 million one time to build a better one. - They need $100 million. They need to kill trees, and they need to make everything worse to use in order to make AI work. Chinese people did it in a cave with rocks. - It sticks! - And the blue whale emoji. - Yeah, that's my favorite part of it. - And they're freakin' the fuck out about this shit, because, again, a lot of this shit, crypto, which crypto's been booming. - Yeah, yeah, it has, yeah. - It's been booming. It's gonna fall again, guys. It got to those 2020 levels, and it's gonna fall again. - Nothing was better than that Trump coin tanking as soon as the Melania one went up for sale. That shit is crazy, man. - But again, you're betting, again, what was the biggest thing that happened during the election? It was a crypto betting. That was what was carrying a lot of this-- - Yeah, I mean, it's not really like a coincidence that now sports gambling has been legalized as like, they were like, oh wait, this crypto thing's kind of slowing down. We might need to juice this a little bit. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. Like, we'll just-- - Let's roll this into the mix. - Bet on AD in 15 rebounds. - And like, I mean, I have a lot of vices. I'm not a gambler. I don't even know how to say that in a cool way because I don't, I just don't really do it in the shot. - I'm shocked that Mark doesn't gamble. - Nah, I'm good. I already know as soon as I get started, it's gonna be a bad, it's gonna be a bad road down. - Yeah. - I did it for a small amount of months when what was the one of the first ones that started? - Nafan, do a-- - Draft Kings. - Draft Kings. - Draft Kings where you had to draft your point guard, your shooting guard, small four power four center. You got your utility player and you just watch the points go up, go up, go up. It was cool waiting for a couple of months. I took one bad heartbreak and I was like, fuck this app and just deleted it. I can't do it. - I mean, I played like, Texas Hold 'em in high school. Like, I'm sure a lot of people did, but like, that's about the extent of my, like, I go to Vegas and I just like, you know, get too fucked up and take us to the wrong hotel. I don't know. (laughing) - I was like, I was gonna say y'all have plenty of Vegas exclusions. - What, what, when we go to Vegas-- - It's mostly just hanging out. I don't, honestly, I walk past most of the tables. I don't even know how they work. - Me either. - I don't know what the games are. - I just started learning what poker hands were when I started playing Balotro. It's like a online game. Like, it's not online. It's like a little fucking rogue-like poker game that's been super popular. I've been playing it for about a year. I didn't know what the fuck a full house was until I said that shit. I mean, I put in like, maybe 300 hours in the Balotro and I watch it daily. I would, I would, I could go to a poker table now and be like, oh, that's a straight. - Yeah. - That's a two-payer. That's like, but I didn't know anything about it until 2024. I didn't know anything about this shit. - Well, sure, we did Blackjack at the, at the Grand Theft Auto Casino. - I knew that, but that-- - I can do Blackjack. - That was the first time I had ever learned about Blackjack at that point. - Yeah. - Back or right, all in that shit. I don't know anything. - Back, that's bridge, I don't know if I can see no game. - That's high level addiction. Bridge and back or right, it's high level addiction. And what's the one with the-- - Craps. - Craps. - Roulette. - Roulette was, that's high level. - Roulette, it's like people are like, it's easy. It's just black or red. I'm like, there's a thousand numbers on that. - That's exactly how the fuck do I know? And how do I know the bed on that? Horse bedding? - Horse bedding is nuts. I've actually like, the little bit I know about horse bedding is basically late. - Well, like measure there, like Cox or something? Like, how do they know they're fast? - If you're a normal person, like you probably aren't going to win on horse bedding. - No, you have to be very affluent white and from Kentucky to be good at horse bedding. - It's such a like internationally like, not, I mean, obviously it's corrupt, but like it like-- (laughing) - Everything is corrupt. - It's like an old world thing, it's so like, you know. - Didn't they kill the horses when they don't do well? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - That's it, that's it, no, we're going to stitch that. - No, no, no, no, no, I do think that like some, there are some injuries on a horse that they can't fix. - Oh yeah. - Just got a fucking-- - To the glue factory. - Yeah, yeah. - I think they shoot him right there. - But like again, you know, all of this, all cycles back and funnels back into capitalism and the fact that we're all getting played in some way, shape, or form. You know how else we're getting played? The fucking employment market is one of the biggest, one of the biggest players right now, okay? Let me tell you about my life for the past five months. - Okay, let me hear. - I was-- - I already know, but-- - I was contacted in early October, October 1st, to be exact, by a pretty prominent company, all right? We'll say their name, they asked me to go and they asked me to interview for a role there, I interviewed for the role there, marathon interviews, okay? Five interviews, all right? - Is that the longest that you ever had to do with a career? - No, no, it wasn't the longest. The longest had to be the first time I ever applied to Riot games. The first time I applied to Riot, it was like four or five panels of like two, three people at a time. - How long are we talking? Half hour? - Some of them were, yeah. They were really long interviews. - So like five, half hour interviews? - Six, seven hours of your life goes to these interviews. A month, almost, two months. So I went through this panel with this company and I had to wait until like literally like right before Thanksgiving to find out that I didn't get it. So I was pretty bummed, right? I was pretty, you know, I was like fuck, I thought I had this, it seemed like an easy job. It seemed like it was a job that was just like, I could do it in my sleep, I would have been working again, it would have been cool, I didn't get it. So I was like, all right, you know, they were very transparent at that time. And they were like, you know, this is where you didn't get it. You know, we just felt like you were, basically they said I was overqualified, which is horseshit in some way, shape or form. 'Cause like, if I'm overqualified, you should at least call me and be like, hey, is this something you feel like you could realistically fucking do? - Or wanna do. - It would wanna do. - Yeah. - For, you know, I'm just, and at that point, I'm like, fuck yeah, like I wanna get out there, I wanna get like, I feel good knowing that I have something to do, you know, right? And like, not just this, but like I love being busy. Like, y'all know, I'm always doing something. You know what I mean? Like, this is the most that I've been kind of like, I like being productive, you know what I mean? And I was like, you know, cool. You know, if there's anything else open, let me know. They hit me back up December. So we're like two, three, you know, months of this going on now. I had to blitz through a five person interview panel within two days that went over eight hours. It was pretty much a work day. It was pretty much a work day. - Wow. - Between two days, right? So from there, they're like, oh, well, everybody loved you. It was great. Your priority candidate for us. We love you all types of shit. They're basically fucking glazing me. I'm like, word, I got this shit. The only thing is, we're going on break for the holidays early. So a week before most people within media went on break, all of the whole company went on break. - Only, only, all people who hire people are allowed to do that. - Well, clearly the whole fucking people, whole fucking company was able to do that. So again, like, and I have friends that work at the company and they were like, they were just basically telling me, hey, like you should be good. Like I feel confident about it. And I was like, yeah, I feel confident about it too. - And they asked you, and they called me back essentially. So I had to wait the whole holiday season pretty much. That's 14 to 20 days of just waiting for this job to come through. We'll hit you up on the week of the six, right? I'm like, all right, bet. We've got the six comms and goes. Next week, I'm like, all right, what's going on here? - They must have been at the Capitol. - I hit up the, I hit 'em up post inauguration. I was like, hey, you know, anything going on? Like, you know, I'm expecting an offer anytime now, right? Cool, right? Nope, no answer. Next week, or last week, rolls around. No fucking answer again. Another job that I was actually going for, two other jobs that I was going for, they actually give me back with a decision. In the meantime, before that, I had a, and I would say these companies, I had a interview at Apple. Really nice people, didn't happen, didn't work, but they were transparent. They were quick. - Sure. - They were like, oh, you know. - And every process was nice and all that? - It was, and every process was nice. They were like, it wasn't a good fit. I didn't feel like it was a good fit either, 'cause I would have had to be in office five days a week. - Sure, it wasn't something I didn't want to do. It was, so I wasn't mad about it. I was like, yeah, I knew I wasn't getting this shit, 'cause I wasn't putting my best foot forward. I was like, cool, I had another one at Activision Blizzard, which was super cool process. They were really nice, they gave me dates. They were like, I'm gonna hit you back on this week. And when I didn't hear back, I hit them up and say, hey, you know, I was pulling the hair back this week. They hit me, they immediately hit me back and say, oh, 'cause we're doing this. And I'll hit you back after that. I hit them up after the break. I said, hey, you know, what's going on with this role? Hey, they're gonna go in another direction. We're gonna keep you in mind for some other roles. I said, cool, that's what's up. I'm not mad at the transparency. I hate the ghosting shit. I hate the waiting shit, 'cause that feels like an MLM. Yeah, it's like, that's agonizing, you know what I mean? It feels like, was I really talking to the person that they said that they weren't, is this real? I get their response today after four emails, I think, since. And I was like, usually I'm not that persistent, but at this point, it's like, just let me fucking know. And anybody that's listening, that's going through this as well, they probably feel me on this. The ghosting shit is the craziest part about anything recruitment, employment-based right now. It is a fucking racket, it's bullshit, you know what I mean? Like, as someone who's trying to find a job, this is everything, it's very hard out here. You know what I mean? It's very tough out here, like shit is expensive. People are getting laid off, and I work in the tech industry, people are getting laid off, they're laying off at meta, still, because they don't want people with blue hair. You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't give a fuck. You know how hard this shit is. And because of fucking bike dance. Because of bike dance. And you know how hard this shit is, you know how tough this is right now. People, like, they're betting their whole life, their whole livelihoods on this. People need transparency, they need honesty, they need kindness. I get the response today, like, oh, well, there were a lot of skilled candidates, what the fuck this shit's saying? Like, there was a lot of skilled candidates, and you know-- - It's like getting like a pre-written rejection after like getting a huge, seemingly personalized carrot. - Yeah, it's like carrot on a stick. It's like, whoa, whoa, like, 'cause the thing is, the rejection happens like paragraph four. (laughing) - But you know, okay, I'm saying to Justin, when I got a look at this email, I'm not somebody who cares about like professionalism, really, in any way, it was a really unprofessional fucking-- - It was so professional, especially because you open it and you're like, you can just tell immediately like, oh no, this is bad, like, you just know right away, it's not good, and then it's just like, ugh, this is like, shut up. - It was like, why am I hearing all this? - It was like narrative, it was like narrative and conjecture written at the first two graphs, and then at the bottom, I was like, oh yeah, we did sign out to take you. And then it was more personal shit afterward, it was like, I was like, what the fuck am I reading? - It was like breaking of kayfabe in like, a weird and unhelpful way. - Yes, it was the most unprofessional, to be clear, there were a lot of like unprofessional, like I've been talking about this whole process, there was mad unprofessional shit that was going on throughout the whole thing, it was just like, even the first time I was interviewing this company was like, you got this, they loved you, you're killing it, like you're not supposed to be telling me any of this shit, like you're not supposed to be telling me this because when you say stuff like that, it creates expectation, and most people, they take that, it's a nugget, it's again, they carry it on a stick, it's like, oh, well, they're giving me enough to nibble on, and then they're gonna pull it away, they're Charlie Browning, the football for me, at the last second. - Yeah, it's a sense of comfort. - Yeah, like I felt comfortable that I was gonna be able to do that, and then you pretty much, I could've been looking elsewhere for weeks, because I was like, I got this in the back, they've told me I got it in the back. - I thought you were even transparent with them as well, just to be like, hey, just you know, I'm interviewing with so-and-so, and so-and-so, and they're like, well, may the best company win. - Yeah, they said that shit, they said, we love a challenge. - You said, I said, shit, nigga, it's like, I was like, shut the fuck up. - I was like, I got this shit, I was literally dusting my shoulders off, I'm like, cool, bad, I never felt like I was more on top of that, at this point, I just needed them to just be honest, just be transparent, be blunt, be like, yo, this didn't work because of this, and you know, obviously, like, I'm disappointed, I'm upset, I'm freaked out, I'm a lot of different emotions, but more than anything, I'm more just like, over the shit. Like, I'm just like, this is so bullshit, I've been looking for almost a year now, and you know, shit's not getting better, and I think that, again, they're, I feel like recruiters are like, preying on that sense of, and I don't mean this in a bad way, desperation, like, this isn't a bad time to be desperate, you know what I'm saying, like- - You mean the desperation isn't the bad thing. - Yeah, the desperation isn't the bad thing, you know what I mean, desperation isn't the bad thing, the fact that they're preying on it is the bad thing, because people need the- - It's so funny that, like, someone's job is to give out other jobs, and they're like mean about it. - Yeah, like, and the thing is like, they don't think they're being mean, it's like, I personally don't care about, like, your personal shit, like, I just need you to tell me, like, what happened, you know what I mean, like, what went wrong, it's like, you're telling me, it went from priority, we love you to, there was a lot of other people that, I'm so, when you stand out to other people, and then the craziest part was, they said all this stuff about all this candidates, and they ended up hiring internal anyway. - Yeah, that's even true, I think they're liars, I don't even know what to believe. - I know it's- - Have they handled it so poorly? - Yes, it was like, it was so many things that happened in that email that took me so many play. And low-key reminded me of my layoff email from a year ago, and then I had the year anniversary of that that passed a week ago, and it was like, you know, that was so transformative for me, to be laid off from a job that I thought was a dream job that I love, that I honestly would have never left, you know what I mean? They would have had to fucking do what they did, for me to leave that job, but it caused me to grow in so many other different ways, caused me to be present more in my friends' lives, and my wife's life, and you know, just be more present in ways that I couldn't when I was knee-deep in a campaign, every single day, you know what I mean? And now that I'm at the point where I'm like, hey, I feel like I'm kind of growing, I'm like, oh, I'm seeing what the fuck was going on, when I was, you know, going through all of this stuff, and, you know, it just sucks, you know what I mean? I feel like this shouldn't be hard, but yeah, we're still in a situation where people have to struggle with this every single day, and I emphasize a lot more with people who are struggling with this, and go through it, going through it every day. - And I mean, I have never, I mean, I don't think any reasonable person has been like a believer of the, like, nobody wants to work anymore. You know, I don't want to do anywhere, I've never wanted to work, ever. - I do think people mostly do. I know they don't want getting work to be the most difficult thing in the world, and finding out that they didn't get it after attempting to, to be like the, like, you know, there's no, you know, I'll put my eric hat on for a second here, like, you know, there's no, there is, you know, we have no social safety nets, and that is a, that's a feature, not a bug. Like the fact that you drive down the street and see tent cities because they won't help any homeless people, they're doing that to warn you not to become homeless. Like they're like, oh, you, you, you, you, the job-hunting dehumanizing, fuck you, keep doing it, or that's going to be you. Like, it's going to be other motherfuckers. - You have to, you have to constantly debase yourself. I fucking hate having to do what I have to do in order to get an answer back from these people. They can't just answer me back because it's their fucking job. - Yeah. - It's like, I'm sorry, like, I've been on Reddit and people are like, well, you gotta understand recruiters, like fucking recruiter, apologists. - Yeah, yeah. - They have a lot of stuff going on. I'm like, I don't give a shit. - Yeah, they can't, yo, I don't care. - The recruiters are at a conference with the landlords and the sales guys, I don't care. - I don't give a fuck because the recruiters are still talking to people who have jobs. - Yeah. - At the end of the day, like, and I'm not, I'm the, you're supposed to be filling these roles, and like, I worked, when I was at Riot, I worked with recruiters who were very good at their jobs. And I learned a lot more about it on that end, but also the other end. And I'm still not apologizing for any of this shit that's happening to me because, honestly, bros, the jobs that I was applying for, we're gonna be way easier than this whole process is gonna be for me. Like, the jobs itself, we're gonna be so much easier than this is a job for me right now to do it. And it's so crazy. And it's like, I usually hate talking about shit like this 'cause like, my dad called me out of the blue today, literally before you guys got here, and he was just like, "Hey, I'm coming to come visit." And I was like, I was like, I was like, "Whoa, wait. "Pump your breaks." And he was like, "What's going on?" I was like, I was like, "Well, I'm glad he's doing okay." - He's been trying to come to visit for like months. And I'm just been pushing it back 'cause like, I wanted to have a job. I wanted to have my stuff set because like, I don't want my dad to come here and me be like, and again, like, I'm still working. Like, I'm still doing some really cool stuff that's coming out and that I've been working on, but like, I need that, I need that stability. Yeah, I need that consistency. - Yeah, I mean, this summer when I was going through it, my parents were gonna be here and I told them don't come. - Yeah, like, I just want my parents to see me in a better place than I'm at right now. And that's not to say like, my wife isn't working, but it's like, for me, what are we gonna do? I'm just gonna sit, watch me, order DoorDash and apply the jobs all day and play Bellatro. Like, no, but he was like, "You know what's going on?" And you know, like, we had a really good, like, heart to heart and I just told him everything. And like, me and my dad are close, but not like, super, super close. - Sure. - But like, I was able to just spill everything that was going on. He was like, "Listen, the fucking trip don't matter. You being okay is what fucking matters to me." And, you know, that meant a lot. You know, just to hear that, especially with the day that I've had today, he was like, "Listen, I'll do anything "to make sure that you're good, "but like, don't think you're in this alone." So like, I would say that, like, having you guys here, having my fucking wife and all my friends and everybody, like, I don't feel like I'm in this alone. You know what I mean? It gets like that sometimes and it gets frustrating. And, you know, I'm somebody that I put a lot on myself. You know what I mean? So like, I don't feel like I'm going through it alone, but-- - I think you're very literally not going through it. I mean, I don't have a full-time gig. I don't believe Mark has a full-time gig. - Nope, right now. - So it's months of stress that has been going on to that application process. - Eric's about to be-- I mean, it's just his gig is finishing. - Yeah. - So's Wesley's. Cyrus hasn't landed a gig out here yet. - Yeah, well-- - I mean, it's-- - We're content creators. Let's just be content creators. - It's fucking nuts. - Just go ahead and just own the badge. - Why the fuck not? - We're gonna be adding 10-- Well, now I won't say 10 times. We could probably double the stress being entrepreneurialist or entrepreneurialist. - Honestly, here's the thing, Mark. You can see the stress of, all right, how do we bolster these YouTube numbers over the stress of, damn, I haven't heard from her crew during 60 days. I wonder if I got the job. Like, it just never happens like that. Like, I honestly feel, I feel that, and it goes back around the TikTok. It's like, this is legitimately the reason why these kids are going on these apps and doing it because this fucking rat race is bullshit. And they realized it and clocked it early, and they said, fuck that. I'm gonna just do dances online, and I'm gonna buy a fucking Cybertruck. - One of the most stunning videos I saw that Saturday night when TikTok went down was a woman I can't remember her name, but she was just like, man, everything just went down. The government just took my app from me. I just bought a new house. I just got a new car. I'm like, damn, off TikTok. - Yes, yes, it is real in the field with TikTok. So I'm like, let's just be consecrators. I watch relationship YouTube all the time. Josh has been saying for months, why don't me and Jessica just do it? I was like, because we're like, I don't know. - I'm talking, I'm talking. I don't watch relationship YouTube, but I've talked, we and Michaela have a party every summer, and we do this promo video for it. - Which are great, every time we make one, I'm like, I feel like we can actually do this for real. - Yeah. - And then we just stand up. - You could, I don't know what's stopping us. - It's just constant cameras. Like, are you sure you'd be comfortable with the constant cameras? - It's constant cameras, or constant bullshit. It's constant recruiting. - It's like, hey, bro, I work in this field. Like, I talk to recruiters all the time, and they're like, yeah, we got a job open up in a couple of weeks, I'm like, yep, we're. - Yeah. - Well, I'll send you my resume, and I'll guess I'll talk to you soon. I don't know, like, no one ever feels, I would say like the best recruiters I ever had was, the recruiter I had when I worked there right, and the recruiter I had when I just talked to Activision Blizzard, because they were, it felt refreshing to a point where even when I didn't get the job, I felt good to like apply again, because I had been ghosted by them before, and I told her that in my first interview, and I was like, you guys ghosted me before, I was like, are you sure you're gonna call me that? - She was. - But I straight up said it in the interview, I straight up said it. I was like, you guys ghosted me before, you guys gonna call me back? 'Cause at this point, I don't give a fuck no more. Like, I'm just saying whatever, whatever. - You can't get fooled again. - Yes, and she was like, she was like, when did that happen? Who was the guy's name? Didn't know. - That is a classic, that's a classic, like, oh, it's gonna happen again. - No, but she didn't do it, she didn't do it, to her credit she didn't do it. She said, what was the name? She was like, oh, okay, he's not even with us anymore. She was like, well, let me tell you this is gonna happen again. She was like, regardless of anything, you're gonna hear back from me on these days. And even if she wasn't forthcoming with it, when I did reach out, she did reach back. So like, again, I don't feel bad about applying to places that are transparent and open and honest. 'Cause to me, that's kind. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? Even if you don't got nothing for me, just tell me you don't got shit. - It's common courtesy. - Yeah, it's common courtesy. Like, don't fucking leave me, five weeks is nuts. - Yeah, that's crazy. - Five weeks is nuts, bro. Like, that is so much time, including like, again, a holiday, a new year, I'm January 2nd, but I have a fresh gig next week. I'm good out here. Then I'm like, oh, no, it's not happening that way. Like, no, it's bullshit. - Yeah, you wake up at like four thing, and you're like, I don't know if that email's gonna get it. - Yeah, because again, it's agonized. You're going back and forth, like, well, do I hit 'em up, or do I let them kind of do their thing? It takes a toll on you mentally in a way-- - 'Cause you just wanna stop doing it. - Yeah, that, but it's like, it's your mental health will deteriorate doing this shit. - Yep. - It will literally deteriorate, like, to a point where I'm like, I'm gonna delete the mail app off my phone. 'Cause I hate always, did I get a call back? It's like, it's, it's kind of lovely in at this point. - There's nothing worse for me than getting an email. I hate it more than anything before. Because of when I was a script coordinator, and it was like, oh, if you're gonna email, like, you're gonna have about like an hour of the most stressful work possible right now, it's like, oh, now I get it, and I'm like, oh, no. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like, it falls out of my hands. - And when you're working, like, you dread these emails, now you dread them even more, because now you're, like, the email becomes the difference between changing your life, or, you know, a way of your life ending. You know what I mean? - Yeah, it goes from like, oh, I'm gonna be able to make this movie tonight, to like, what am I doing, like, for the rest of my fucking days? - Exactly, like, you're thinking ahead, you know what I mean? And I hate to, like, come down and be very dire on this, but I feel like a lot of people need to hear this. You know what I'm saying? I feel like there's people that are going through this right now that need to hear this, and you're not alone. You know, just like I found out today, you guys are not alone, I'm going through the same shit. You know what I mean? I'm going through the same fucking process. Literally hit a walleye body, he's just like, fuck. I almost said the company's like, it's just like-- - I would've believed it immediately. - They're fucked them. (laughing) - It's a short name, you wouldn't have been able to go crazy believe. - They're like, fuck them, they're bullshit anyway. He literally told me this month ago, he was just like, well, maybe they didn't get you the first time 'cause you would've found out how bullshit their company is. And I was like, I'll be damned if he wasn't fucking right. He was right this whole fucking time, and he didn't even fucking know us. So like, when I told him, he was like, I told you, fuck 'em. Fuck 'em, man, so, you know, that's where I'm at right now. I'm gonna be good, I'm gonna figure this shit out. And it's all a racket, man, it's all a gamble. It's all a gamble. - I mean, the whole thing is, yeah, I mean, it's hard for it to not feel fixed, you know, hear constantly about how rewarding it is to take risks and stuff, but also it's very hard to do and potentially damaging to your life. I don't know, and it's a big, big market, small markets. I mean, it's not necessarily better, I mean, it literally is in some places, but I mean, people feel like shit all the time everywhere because of the thing that our society determines your value through is the career path that you are on, which is crazy and just shows how little interests people have or are even able to have because of that exact construct. You know, it's the same thing, it's, you know, why you can only get so worked up about people, you know, people's lack of political awareness for, you know, about some things. 'Cause it's like, oh, people are just trying to, you know, get on the bus and get home at the end of the day, other than the time to learn about all this shit. And, you know, it's very, you and I talk about this a lot, but it's very isolating and especially like anything, you know, because of like all this tech shit, like it's not, or profit isn't enough, it has to be growth. And any invention that comes out like is really just like a worst version of something that already exists. Like, somebody the other day, when I was at work, Shazam De Song, and I was like, is there a mate, like I looked at it and I was like, Shazam's kind of the only good app. - Dude, that's never, it's Shazam doesn't have like a ghetto version or like a side version. - It's like just, like, and like, oh, what song is this? I'd love to hit a button and know what song this is. Boom, you can. Like, Uber, like, sure, while it was like in its heyday, it was much better, but like, ultimately, it was just a better, more convenient version of like taking a taxi. Like, when the pandemic started and, well, God damn it, what was it? Clubhouse? - Clubhouse. - Got popular, I was like, so the-- - People got jobs off Clubhouse. - They invented an app for getting on a conference call? Like, the thing everyone hates it, every job, they invented a cool app for like this crazy-- - Oh, they were paying creators on Clubhouse. And I would say like Clubhouse is like a cool little, like, again, it was TikTok and Clubhouse that were on the same time, right? It was like, they were both kind of emerging, emerging as the next app at the time. - Well, then like Twitter Hangouts kind of like stole the Clubhouse. - Well, they stole everything, yeah. And it just like made it worse. - Yeah, it made it worse and then Twitter, you know, they did away with that. And it's like, again, they fold, like these companies would fold them on each other until there's really nothing left. Like, consolidation has happened and we'd have nothing left. - Yeah, and so like this, like the growth just leads to like, okay, so instead of, you know, going from like, you know, there's no public transportation that's like, you know, easy to use or here's like the way that like, oh, society just functions with, you know, outside of New York and Chicago really, like, you know, a ton of public transport. And so then we move into cars. So you don't see people as much. And then you eventually get to the point of like calling Uber, so like you're really just like, you know, not, you don't have a car. You don't really know anything about cars. You just have a driver that eventually turns into, you don't go to the grocery store. You don't go to the pharmacy. And so like, you don't know your pharmacist. You don't know the people at the grocery store. You don't know the other people who shop at the grocery store. You don't, you know, it's the, and not only that, but like the person getting the stuff for you doesn't know any of those people. You probably don't ever see that person. And they sit by themselves in their car all day. So like every, like almost every mark of progress that we have, even self checkout. - Yes, isolated. - Is designed to make you alone. - Job market. - Crazy. - Job market. Isolating. What else do you feel like you feel embarrassed to go through it? - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? If I was isolating to go through it in that sense, when really realistically we're all going through it. - Yeah. - You don't even, you don't even notice until you say it, like literally you just said it's now, we're all going through this shit right now. You know what I mean? It's like, it is just the way of the world right now. And that's the shit that sucks the most about all of this is that like, this is what we have to face, no matter what age you are right now, we're all facing it in the same way. But we're all facing it together. So that makes you good. - We can read, kids now can't even read. - Oh, they don't have to read it. They have chat GPT. I have chat GPT. So many cover letters in the last success. - Success. - It's the best. I told chat GPT, this is the job. This is the things, make me a resume nigga. - I'm sorry, I actually dropped the dub. Chat GPT actually got me this week. I dropped the dub on the, you know how you do enough? Throughout the day, you're like two hours and they're like, I think you had enough weight of four hours until we start doing some more. And you could continue using it where you're going to get the much cheaper version of chat GPT. The words might not hit as well. Drop that dub. Whoo, my cover letters were good this week. - Bro, you know what you need to do? You need to hit OpenSeek, hit the Marshawn Lynch right there for me, Ninja. (laughing) - Okay, back story to that. There's a movie called Love Hurts that's coming out next month and Marshawn Lynch is in it. And me and Pat, the last movie was, I think it was Nosferatu, we're gonna go see Nosferatu. Or was it Nosferatu? - No, they wouldn't have shown that. Well, yeah, they wouldn't. - They'd show anything. - No, it was, well, it wasn't the monkey. - We saw something before that. - Oh, it was a Den of Thieves. - Den of Thieves too. Marshawn Lynch is in this movie, right? - Okay. - It was a trailer, you know what? - In trailers. - In Love Hurts. Not Nosferatu, but um. - I was like Marshawn Lynch is in Nosferatu? - Oh, in the trailer, you know trailers have different line reads. So like, there'll be a little bit more for like a red band trailer, it'll be a little bit more graphic. And then for a green band trailer, it'll be a little bit more toned down. So he says like, he says something like somebody, that ninja know, like somebody get that ninja or some shit like that. And I was just like, I looked at Pat and I was just like, you know, it's actually more racist that he says ninja instead of saying nigga. 'Cause I'm pretty sure in the movie, he says nigga. - Yeah. - But he says ninja and then I'm just like, that's actually more racist than he says ninja. - He's not a kid. - Over a nigga. - He's not a Japanese performer either. - Isn't it Korean? - Yeah. - Yeah, like I'm like, it's extremely racist then. - Yeah. - For him to do that. So like that's where that came from. - Yeah. - Cri-loved it. (laughing) - Cri-loved it. Bong it, bong it, bong it. - The theater, the theater. It's way more racist at that point for you to do that. But I mean, you know, that's my experiences right now. This is actually like a day where I'm fired up. (laughing) 'Cause I believe that this happened today. I would've been as fired up last week. I would've been kind of like, even killed last week, I'm fired up today. But that's everything. Wano, we actually have a lot of shit happening in the next couple of weeks. Cyrus will be here. So he's gonna be added to our host. - The local roster. - To the local roster for Don't Still Is podcast. The whole cipher is complete. We don't got jobs. So we're all gonna be, all we're gonna be doing is recording this shit with your motherfucker. - You're gonna be walking the garage. She's just gonna be in here. - Yeah, just literally the size of your recording. - I might not even be on the show. You know what I'm saying? - You know what I'm saying? - So essentially, you know, we got a lot of really cool stuff coming up. Shout out to Cyrus for making that move, and you know what I'm saying? - Oh, I hope he hears before he gets here. I'm so excited. You know, Eric isn't here. I know for a fact he's excited as fuck. - He's excited for Sigh. - Yeah, ever Sigh. - We gotta get Eric in here 'cause we can do our HBO rankings. - Yeah. - The series rankings. - Please. - My wife started watching six feet under again. - Have you seen the whole thing? - I've seen the last two seasons. - Okay. - I would say the, not that to be one of these guys, but the earlier, the show's better earlier in the show. Phenomenal ending. - I had a crush on the daughter. - Oh yeah. - She was. - Oh yeah. - Had a crush on the week. - Oh yeah. - We had a conversation. - Oh, let me go back in this. - I'm like, what, I don't know what the fuck this is. - I had a conversation, a couple of days ago. - Okay. - I thought Melissa Barrera, right? - Oh my God. What's happening? - I think she's, I think she's one of this. - It's the Justin. - It's the Justin. - Justin pitched a, what was it? It was, oh, it was a wild things remake. - Yes. - Melissa Barrera. - Melissa Barrera. - And somebody else. - Hold on, I got it. I got it. - Mark, you've never seen Wild Things. I'll send you the trailer. - I have no idea what's going on right now. - Melissa Barrera and Mikey Madison. - Oh, that would be cool. Your follow-up was, who says no? And I was like, what the fuck? I don't know. Are we just gonna ask him, like, hey, this random guy, do you want that? No, I know, I feel like no. Probably most people wouldn't say no. Who says I think this is like, this is how movies get made like a committee of like, who said, who said, who said, who said, who said no? Oh, we're good. All right, let's do this fucking thing. It took the Chalamet, it's fun. Who says no? So Wild Things is like a 1998 thing. - It's earlier, it's gotta be earlier. - No, 'cause it's after Scream. It's after Scream, it's like '98. Trust me, I watched-- - Okay, no, no, no, that's where I feel like Dylan is so much younger than '98 though. - Wild Things. This would be a part of-- - Wild Things is the sequel. - '98, I told you, boy. - Okay, yeah. - And '08, it's after Scream. - Okay. - It had Nev Campbell and Denise Richards. - Nev Campbell has a throw-back name. And there was a threesome scene in the movie. - Okay. - And it was like the talk of the MTV Movie Awards. It won like Hello Awards and won like Best Kiss. So you have to see this movie, it's like, it looked real. It looked like there was really doing it. - Okay. - So as a kid, I'm like-- - Best Kiss has some readers, honestly. - Huh? - Let's redo it in 2025. - 2025, Mikey Madison, Melissa Berrer, who says no? - If you showed Wild Things to a Gen Z, they would try to start a new political party. They'd be like, "Ew." So much sex in this movie. Like, what? This was what it was all about back in the day. - Oh yeah, late '90s, everything was sex. - Of course, '98, '99, come on, man. Wild Things, Melissa Berrer, Mikey Madison, I'm there a first day. - I mean, so many, I mean, there's so many of the like, I mean, we were really at a point of like, 'cause DVDs came out like we were like, you know-- - '99, DVDs. Like, DVDs basically came out like when "American Pie" came out more or less. - Was "American Pie" not the movie that you had to fucking see as a kid in like, your mark when that you see it? - I saw it, I probably saw it a couple years later than you. - I saw it, oh yeah, I saw it way later. - I saw it for the first time, maybe like five years ago. - Bootleg me, bro. We had it on bootleg. I went over my friend's house, we watched "American Pie" and I was just like, "All right, bet." The pie scene, whatever. The scene was Vet Lana, the foreign exchange check. She was just in the room. And she was doing her thing. I was like, "Bro, it changed my brain chemistry, bro." - I mean, this is why, this is why most millennials are the way that we are, 'cause we had that type of thing. - You know what's crazy? I was never really, again, I didn't watch "American Pie" until way later, but I was a big, not another teen movie guy as a kid. - Yeah, that was the girl that was naked all the time. - Not another teen movie has one of my favorite gags ever, which is, this is so stupid. Like, they're like walking to school for the day and he walks past all the jocks and they're all wearing varsity jackets and their chest letters spell out jocks on the varsity jackets and oh my God, is it a good one? I love that shit. - One fact, the girl who's always naked, their strength student who's always naked in that movie, she was the yellow power ranger. Really? - And power ranger's well for us. - Wow, really? - Or no, power ranger's lost galaxy, yes. - Didn't I know that? - Yeah. - That's the type of thing I would have loved to know at the time. So I re-watched Lost Galaxy 'cause full disclosure of my Discord, we have a re-watched gang. - Okay. - Two power rangers right now. And I re-watched it and I was just like, oh yeah, that is her. (laughs) - That's crazy. - I was like, yeah, it was pretty crazy. So that's what I'm doing unemployed is I have a power ranger re-watched team. But yes, don't steal this podcast. We're gonna be back at you very soon. Very soon, I think Sars will be in the next episode. Me, Sars, Mark, Pat, Eric are gonna come back when Eric's able to. - I'm gonna be showing up like-- - You can show up in the next one, Sars. - No, I'm not like Kramer. Not, well, not at least that one way. But-- - God damn it. We have throw blacks on the way. - We got throw blacks on the way. We're doing Rich Gang Natora shit. We actually should probably do that this weekend or something because I was sick last week. - Yeah, we can do what we can do before the rumble. - Rumble starts at what, three? - Yeah, it starts at three. - I wanna go like get food and shit. No, I said do it now. Let's not do a deal to rumble. - All right, let's do it now. - Well, we can do it. - I wanna actually have like a positive day also. - I wanna have like a really positive day. - Saturday? - This week for rumble. - Yeah, 'cause that's gonna be a huge rumble. - This week is shit. I wanna just look for it to Saturday and living it up with my boys. All my boys are gonna be here. I'm really excited about it. We got Don't Still This podcast. I'm excited about this and you guys are as well. We got a lot of really cool shit coming down to the pipeline. I wanna thank Pat. This is gonna be the first and last time I thank you for being on the show. We're just gonna do the show again. - Yeah, that's fine. - I'll be like, you can be Ray Quandert. I'll be Ghostface. - Yes. - There we go. - And you know, I'm not thanking you ever again. So thanks, Puffy, for being on the show today. Mark in the control. I want you to be right there. 'Cause this is all looking at your camera over here. - In front? - Yeah. - 'Cause it's just like we're looking at you. - Yeah, I mean that's true. It would be, the jokes are probably 10 times crazier if I was actually sitting in front of using my reaction to me. - 100%. 100%. - 'Cause I'm missing your reactions now. And usually the reactions let me know whether I should keep going. (laughing) - You can see it in my face. - Yes, that's usually what I know. But we'll be right back with you guys with throw blacks. New episodes on this podcast. Two new episodes on this podcast. We're back again next month with more in February. So let us know what you guys wanna hear. What you guys wanna hear us talk about? - It's weekly cadence, boys, we're back. - You wanna hear us fucking get personal? I can get even more personal which is what the question is. I got way more stuff going on than I wanna talk about even more than that. So for Puffif, MC, I'm J5. I gotta get my voice back. I'll be way, I'll be completely healed next time that we talk. So yeah, thank you guys for listening. See you guys later. Peace. - Peace. (whooshing)

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