Know Your Enemy - Trump 2.0 and the Courts (w/ the 5-4 podcast)

Matt and Sam talk to the hosts of the 5-4 podcast about how Trump can remake the federal judiciary—and perhaps the broader justice system—during his second term.

Duration: 1h 5m
Broadcast on: 17 Dec 2024
Audio Format: other

It's been a while since we've had our friends from the 5-4 podcast on KYE, and we thought there was no better time to do so than the weeks before Donald Trump is inaugurated, again, as president. As listeners might guess, we wanted to talk to them about what opportunities Trump might have during his second term to reshape the federal judiciary—and if he can secure the confirmations of Kash Patel at the FBI and Pam Bondi as Attorney General, perhaps a lot more than that. Topics include: President Biden's successes, and failures, when it comes to the courts, and what he's handing off to Trump; what kind of judges Trump is likely to appoint; if there's a MAGA wing of the conservative legal movement now, akin to Project 2025 or the America First Policy Institute; whether Justice Alito is a Fox News uncle or an OAN uncle; and more.

Further Reading:

Myah Ward & Betsy Woodruff Swan, "Trump’s plan to end birthright citizenship could be decided by the Supreme Court," Politico, Dec 14, 2024.

Pema Levy, "How Much More Radical Could the Supreme Court Become? Look to the Fifth Circuit." Mother Jones, Oct 8, 2024.

Michael Hall, "Is James Ho Too Brash for Even Trump to Make Him a Supreme Court Justice?" Texas Monthly, Aug 15, 2024.

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all right welcome listeners to episode 106 of know your enemy i'm at sipping your podcast co-host and i'm here as always with my great friend sam other bell hey sam hi matt how are you doing today i'm good we just recorded front burner yes for all our canadian listeners get excited and front burner is i it's a great podcast and i think it it's like the most listened to politics maybe your news podcast in canada it should be if it's not it's a great podcast when we enjoyed being on it just now yes well let's get to this episode this is one that we had a lot of fun recording even though the subject matter is a bit depressing and listeners will be thrilled to know we had on as our guests two of our friends from the five to four podcast peter and michael reannon wasn't able to join us but peter and michael were great and you won't be surprised with them as our guests that the topic was prospects for the supreme court the federal courts more broadly in trump's second term in his upcoming administration yeah the combination of people i like so much who are charming to talk to and in fact quite funny with this very very depressing subject matter is a little bit of a whiplash but i wouldn't have it any other way it's hard to talk about these sorts of things without having at least a little bit of gallows humor and they definitely brought that to the mix but yeah i mean this was a great conversation just the kind of scene setting episodes that we've been doing for what this new administration the next four years might be like but in the context of the judiciary of trump's doj what the democrats should have done to prepare us better for what's coming down the pike what the immunity case that made it so that trump can be the president of crimes will mean for the next four years all of that we get into with our very very learned law knowing guests peter and michael from five to four yes uh we're very grateful that uh they were so generous with their time and i'll just add i feel like me and you sam you know we're hard to shake when it comes to things happening on the right we've been following this stuff for a long time and if we're not pessimists we're at least realists and i have to say i left this conversation more depressed than i entered it me too me and that's saying something yeah sorry well should we get some housekeeping items yes as always we're grateful to our partners at descent they sponsor the podcast one thing they do for us is if you subscribe to know your enemy on our patreon page at patreon.com slash know your enemy if you subscribe for ten dollars a month you get access to all of our bonus episodes and a free digital subscription to descent and access to our discord yeah so uh please consider doing that of course for five dollars a month you get access to all of our bonus episodes there's been some great ones lately and we have some great ones cooked up and sam you're going to tell us about a special holiday offer well a lot of you listeners have asked over the years how do i gift somebody a patreon subscription to know your enemy if i have got a you know a boyfriend girlfriend father uncle aunt grandfather son daughter who's desperate who would love who you know would love to have a year say of knowing your enemy to listen to it and they just can't quite pull the trigger for themselves and you want to do that for them a gift subscription to the to the podcast now patreon has made it extremely easy to do that and so you can go on to the patreon website and if you're already a subscriber click on gift a subscription i'll put a link to the gift subscription thing in the show notes and so if you are looking for a great gift this holiday season go ahead and and buy a gift subscription to the bonus episode of this podcast get it for all your family members frankly i mean everybody would love it that's right give your loved ones the greatest gift of all me and sam extremely depressing political content as always we want to thank our intrepid producer jesse bretteman and we want to thank will Epstein who does the music for the podcast i had lunch with will recently we talked about the new bob dill and movie it sucks but more to say about that in the future yet again i'm vindicated my anti-shalomay yeah we know i'm the shalomay defender in our friend group but he was not good and the movie's not good and what can you say well here's one thing you can say let's get to our episode with five to four on the depressing topic of trump 2.0 his courts his judges his department of justice what we can expect his beautiful judges yes strap in and get ready enjoy all right gentlemen well let's get started we're very pleased to welcome back to the podcast our friends from five to four peter the law boy and michael welcome hello hello i would love for

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Matt and Sam talk to the hosts of the 5-4 podcast about how Trump can remake the federal judiciary—and perhaps the broader justice system—during his second term.