Comic Book Cinema
Will Superman Be A Flop? (feat. wFrankn, Jarid Mayo, & Stafford)
it's just the the costume design man like i'm having really having a hard time it just looks very cosplayish it looks like i went to halloween spirit halloween and you know everybody else's costumes i'm just like it doesn't look good like you can be comic accurate and have the bright colors and still look good can superman 2025 touch 900 million now i didn't know this until recently i looked it up before we we shot this video allegedly according to ohio the state of ohio where it was shot it was this film was shot in cleveland this film had a budget of 363 million dollars which is a lot one million dollars in order for you to break even on a film like that i think you have to get upwards of 700 mil maybe more it's a big budget you know because you have to factor in marketing which is never included in the budget for some reason some films cost you know 100 million a market some films cost 200 million a market a movie like this you can bet your bottom dollar that they're going to be marketing the heck out of it even though they didn't take out one of those eight million dollar 30 second spots at the super bowl the question is do you think that this film can touch 900 million because in my mind i mean if it made 700 million i think it would still be a success even if it didn't quite break even financially they're going to put all their eggs in this basket because this film has to not only be good it has to be amazing it's the first new dcu film i don't think that it necessarily has to make 900 or or a billion to be a success to be deemed a success but do you think this film will touch 900 million i don't care i'm not i'm not in the superman i don't i could care less i don't think it'll do 900 million it comes out the week before fantastic four doesn't it two weeks two weeks yeah yeah i think uh i think the lead-ins will be important for it the the marketing is going to make or break this because there's a lot of superhero fatigue going on superman is something that while it's a known quantity it's also a known quantity whereas thunderbolts is i don't know what this is about i know it's marvel so maybe there's a little more interest i've seen superman ten different times on the tv and on the movie screen how is this any different so i think these he's going to have to work a little bit harder than marvel is for thunderbolts i think that the biggest thing they have going against them right now is their bad reputation the last three dc films were flops big time the flash blue beetle aquaman two i mean these films were all really really like poor reception poor box office returns and even though they're not connected to this new superman film general audiences are going to say well that's that's dc you know i don't like dc films let's go see the thunderbolts or let's go see fantastic for but with all that being said superman is probably the most well-known superhero of all time my grandma knows who superman is does my grandma know who the fantastic for is maybe they're they're pretty popular too but not quite as popular superman it's probably as far as popularity goes i would i would say it's superman spiderman batman the top three that's the the trinity of most popular superhero movie characters it's definitely a conundrum i will say that because on one hand i'm like okay well there's no way a superman movie is not going to blow the box office wide open then the other hand i think like i think about martha why did you say that name martha you know i think about stuff like that when what does i mean what is that man save martha what well i currently didn't have an opinion on this before this so i want to justify one based on what i've heard so far no i really didn't even know it was coming out honestly um so i mean that just shows you how bad their marketing currently is i feel like their their marketing is either going to make or break this um i feel like for people that care right because there really is a sense of like give a stuff from the left and right side of fans versus dc versus marvel people that are dc fans and be like finally are we hopefully gonna not get a trashcan movie right the marvel fans are like well we need something to watch before thunderbolts and everything comes off so are we gonna go watch another superhero movie or we're gonna have a superhero fatigue so it really needs to market itself as something different and something that's actually well done or else it's just gonna flop don't forget this trailer in the first 24 hours that it dropped on youtube became it put itself in the top 10 most watched trailers in a 24 hour period of all time it was a big deal when the trailer dropped on youtube i think it's such a big deal that means it's only hitting a niche audience you know it didn't even know yeah and we talked to your grandma about it on the phone the other day she knew everybody's showing off their cool toys my office is lame dude i i drew and painted this myself i got it to show him off a little bit i am i freaking love superman and i think that this if this movie does well it's just going to be for people who love the character because it's so well known i feel like the marketing's been pretty bad we've only gotten one teaser trailer and the movie comes out in what four or five months it's not even an official trailer it's just a teaser i don't know i'm having a hard time getting on board with this one you know with everybody else has their own niche with you know fortnite and marvel and thunderbolt side i grew up on the old christopherine movies my family was like super poor and i was the only bhs we had so i grew up watching those in star wars yes on repeat and so it's like from the age of like four years old i was just madly in love with this character which i know a lot of people are they say he's bland and and generic i get it i don't know they're wrong chris they're all wrong thank you thank you which and i think that's so cool that we're all allowed to have our different opinions you know i hate getting on tiktok sometimes now because heaven forbid if you disagree or dislike something you're immediately you're not a fan and it's like that bothers me so much like i love that we're all allowed to disagree that's the beauty of comics is that there's marvel and there's dc and there's all these different things and styles for everybody to kind of pick their favorite so i i love this vibe here that y'all have and i appreciate you guys just allowing each person to have their own opinion and their own preferences and but about the superman movie like dude i'm just i'm not on board i'm i'm really not i hope it does well like everybody's saying because i feel like anytime a comic book movie has a win i feel like as a fan we all get wins even if we don't like it because that means the genre is kind of not dying out and maybe if there's a big movie that's successful then okay this was a success you know it can go 50/50 like let's make more but let's make them in a good way so i really hope this new james gun universe does well but honestly i'm just not feeling it i'm kind of worried and if it does hit the 900 mill or hit the billy club then part of me's like great superman deserves to have a box office hit but the marketing like i've i've seen one teaser trailer that's it and i'm like it comes out in four months we haven't even had a full trailer you know yeah Jared have you seen the trailer yeah i watched it one time i feel like for people like you everyone's crying out in the streets for a lighter superman you know superman and that that is what superman is in the comics i feel like folks like you will love this film because it's going to be very light-hearted you got crypto the super dog in there look i had my doubts about this film i still don't love the suit not the red trunks i like the red trunks returning but i don't work i don't like how his suit kind of fits like my shirt that i have on right now like it's literally just this you know it looks a little too baggy in my mind i have some complaints some minor complaints but i'm rooting for this movie what i say i'm excited about it yes i would i'm very excited to see what james gun does with the dcu and here's why james gun gave us the guardians trilogy the guardians trilogy is phenomenal james gun gave us the suicide squad i thought that movie was phenomenal i know you didn't like it zared and james gun also gave us peacemaker that was a character that before the show came out i can remember thinking why are we doing a show about john senes peacemaker this is going to be so dumb and pointless but i ended up loving that show and even creature commandos that came out recently you know i had some folks on this show a few weeks back and we reviewed creature commandos it was so good to be a cartoon a silly cartoon about a silly group of basically another you know suicide squad is what it was but it was so well done to be what it was and it was another project from james gun i can't hate too much i really feel like i should just wait till the movie comes out i think i'm gonna like it i do have an opinion on this in my opinion is i really want a d i don't give a i really don't care if it's the superman movie but i want a dc movie to do really well because i like it when two franchises are competing yes for production quality because then it brings out the best and the second thing i got to say for the the comments on tiktok i always always tell us everybody when when they're they're messaging and when people say negative stuff that you don't agree with i just give them a donut emoji because obviously they're hungry for the comment so i do it on all my all my channels i start because everyone's gonna have an opinion right and if you're not getting any comments then you're not you're not putting your opinions out there correctly it's always going to be a disagree and that's the whole point of comment baiting but my my real stance on this is i i want sony and dc you know i want them to put out a good movie just so it prevents the damn bars right yeah in the capital america movie cgi or green screen it just kind of took me out of it like the the part where they're at the end and where Thaddeus Ross is in the in the cell and it's got the bars like that was like the worst green screen bars i've ever seen it was like so obvious i'm like you just like just put real bars in front of it they do that qaqc they care a little more about the brushover the quality gets better because when you have two titans competing you're always going to get a better overall film how good was wwe when they were competing with wcw in the late 90s they were phenomenal they they raised their quality level like you said i mean if if dc starts putting out banger after banger you can bet your bottom dollar that the mcu is going to going to elevate their quality level as well they're going to have to either elevate your quality or get left behind the smoke i agree that you know i want to i'm trying to trust james gun he has done i want a huge fan of the suicide squad everything else is done is really good so i'm trying to keep i want this movie to succeed i really do i want to look back in 20 years and be like this was 2008 iron man like that set the the new universe off because that there's so many wonderful dc characters out there that deserve really good screen time and their stories to be told and so i'm hoping that even if i hate every single costume from like i i just i can't i'm struggling bro and i'm trying to like not pay attention to like anything but i'm hoping that it does succeed and i think that we're allowed to have opinions of just because we don't like something doesn't mean we hate the character you know i'm saying right like we're allowed to you know there's parts of all of us have some of our favorite movies or comics and there's probably a few things about it that we could change or if we've wanted to but i don't know i i want it to succeed i'm hoping james gun pulls through i just i just can't get the colors i don't mind like you said the red trunks it's just the the costume design man like i'm having really having a hard time it just looks very cosplayish it looks like i went to halloween spirit halloween and you know everybody else's costumes i'm just like it doesn't look good like you can be comic accurate and have the bright colors and still look good i don't know i'm hoping i've heard that maybe he he changes suits throughout the movie so we'll see i'm a little biased but i want every comic book movie to do good people are so tribalistic in the comments i guess it's really easy to you know see some unknown you know instagram page or tick tock page and just really let them have it because i've been getting a lot of that lately and uh i like the donut thing that you were talking about franken that's that's funny it's wintertime bro it's when all the all the trolls are chilling inside dude behind behind their phones and i started up a new page like kind of off top i started up an anime page that's doing pretty decently well and there's a lot of opinions there as well you know yeah so i just give them a donut bro and they respond back they're like what what is this and it's like i was like you're like you're hungry for a response uh i appreciate your feedback that's fantastic it's very often times i get a super negative just ugly comment that i just there's only two ways sometimes to respond to a comment and see they're doing nothing at all or really giving them a piece of your mind so i like to donut a lot hinges on this and no pressure james gun but you got to really really knock it out of the park here and i want to go see this in theaters with jared i think that that would be really fun you're going to pay for that ticket i know that we talked about this a bit past but you find most of the dc characters completely unrelatable right yeah i think they're just they're hard to you know peter parker bruce banner logan they have problems they're like real people superman batman wonder woman they're just these gods you know one guy if you give him a green crystal then he's hurt oh you know the other batman he can outsmart everybody and do everything it has a gadget to overcome anything you know would you like a donut with that haterade uh jared oh all right i just that's why i relate better with marvel they are i see myself in peter parker i got bullied or i'm trying to get the girl and i was off saving the world and i i missed my date you know that kind of thing or you know bruce struggled and i used to be a teacher so i taught all my students personality qualities through the marvel super hero responsibility through spiderman we talked about dealing with anger with hulk we talked about teamwork with the x-men we had family with fantastic for we talked about uh patriotism with captain america like i was able to teach so much with those guys with batman i'm like either you got it or you don't either you're a genius or you're an idiot sorry batman is not is not for my class you're all dumb i was i was kindergarten teacher too so they were all dumb they didn't they weren't going to be able to be okay wow jared that's not politically correct that's amazing they're five they didn't even know their names oh gee and on that note thank you guys so much for joining us for this episode of comic book cinema make sure you follow us on the socials and follow these guys on the socials and until next time