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But Chad, I want to get to know you just a little bit better and how you got into this position, this profession, you know, where did this journey all start for you? Yeah, man. Well, first off, like huge fan of yours, huge fan of this podcast, I'm honored to be on it. You've had some amazing guests and some great conversations here, so yeah, I'll try. Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Come on. Yeah. I mean, look, I've been playing golf, like golf's been my thing my whole life. I've been really fortunate to, you know, start as a young kid. I learned when I was six years old, my dad was in the Air Force and, you know, the joke about Air Force bases is they put the runway in first and the golf course, then they built it, everything else. I kind of, you know, had to go off at a young age. And then, you know, my first ever job was like a stock boy at a golf store in Georgia. I worked as a cart boy. When I was in college, I went to UGA, I worked at the golf course there and watched the guys like Ryan Harmon and Bubba and all that whole crew like bombing it on the other side of the range. So, yeah, golf's always been my thing. You know, I've been really lucky to have a pretty, like, good career as a producer and make a lot of different kinds of television shows, I've been working in media my whole career. And, you know, full swing was, was a sort of eight, nine-year process to kind of get the trust of, of not just the PGA tour, but also the governing bodies of the sport who run the majors and the players and their agents and their spouses and put it all together into this thing with sort of this like multi-year, I mean, really multi-year, like, process of just kind of never quitting and, you know, I run a, I was running a film and TV business out here in Los Angeles and we do development meetings all the time and we go through all the various projects and I kind of had a rule where like, if you don't have an update on your project in, you know, over a six-month period, it comes off the slate. But since I was the boss, when we were talking about the film show, I'd be like, staying on, you know, and then every, I can't tell how many times I sat in our meetings and it was, came up and I'd say no update and broke my, every rule I had in the book for our team about like leaving it on the slate and, and one day in 2019, after, you know, playing off with some execs at the PGA tour, Chris Wondell, most notably, you know, I got to tell him, hey, we have an update and, and from that moment, you know, the show was born and, and, and we're just so thrilled to share with the world season two, which I am so excited to talk to you about. Yeah, and I'm sure, I'm sure when you left the golf course that day with the expectation of, hey, we are going to get to get full access to the PGA tour. I imagine you had to be a little bit kind of nervous about just that opportunity but also excited knowing just about how, you know, the PGA tours followed on the television, the broadcast and the stories but you don't really get the in depth and just day to day stuff that you see behind the curtains with these guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, like after grinding it out for so long to kind of finally get the opportunity to get it made, it was just like, I was just so pumped and that's probably the most consequential around the golf I've ever played in my entire life and, and, you know, it's kind of awesome that this show got its start, like, on a golf course, I think it's like very fitting. But, you know, I think when, when we, when I first sat down, so our, you know, Fox Media Studios produced this show, it's co-produced with box to box films, they make like drive to survive and, and, you know, break point, a bunch of other shows. And when I first met with them, they're not golfers, they're, you know, Paul Martin and James Gerese and Warren Smith, they're, they're all from London and England. And we sat down at dinner in L.A. and, and I said, look, I think this is a real opportunity in golf. And, you know, not being golf fans, they also saw that because they had all this, these sort of preconceived notions about like what professional golf would be like and, and what those athletes would be like and James, James Gerese, one of the founders box box said, you know, look, what I love about this is like anytime you get behind the curtain of anything, it's never what you expect. And I love the fact that like non hardcore golf fans are going to come with some expectations about what they think this is going to be. And that just means in the first five seconds, we can kind of completely subvert them. And you know, season one, I, I thought we did an amazing job of like, you know, bringing the world to life and really like pulling back the curtain on some of these stories and not just like the players, but the, their caddies and their spouses and their friends and like kind of the camaraderie that exists out there in professional golf in a really consequential year where there was a schism and all of a sudden they're looking around the locker room, someone going to live is, you know, what's going to happen. But going into season two, like we don't, we already established the world, you know, we don't have to explain what a cut is. We don't have to explain that, you know, a tournament's four days and, you know, and if you miss the cut, you don't get paid and we don't have to tell you what a part is. So if you just kind of throw you right back into the action and, you know, season two kind of picks up right where season one ends and, and I think it's just a, it gets going and builds momentum and takes you all the way to the end. So. Yeah. And season one, you just kind of mentioned just having to educate a, a potential non-golf audience that you're trying to introduce the PGA tour to was, was their thoughts during that season one and how you produced it thinking, do we have to explain all this or do you, did you really feel like, did we need to educate this Netflix audience on just, you know, things that come natural to us in the golf world? Yeah. I mean, look, I am the biggest golf, like hardcore golf fan that existed in the world by the way. And so that, you know, that's torture sometimes like try to, but we also, you know, you having made, you know, I've made a bunch of other shows for Netflix and I think like it's hard to fathom just how big Netflix is. And, and when you, you know, the numbers, a million people, 50 million people, 180 million people, like it just, it gets so mind boggling when you think of the scale of how many people watch Netflix shows. And you just realize like, not only is it not just hardcore golf fans, it's not even just like, it's not even people in the US, people all over the world. I mean, the shows translated into like 50 plus languages and gets put into 190 countries. I mean, it is, it is like everywhere. And, and you have to, you have to tell stories, you have to give people a grounding where they have a reason to root for somebody. And so you kind of have to explain the rules, you know, and the basics of it. And, and then you can pull people into kind of human stories. And from there, it's like you can make it relatable and you can make, you know, you can humanize these athletes who do incredible stuff out on the golf course, but, you know, you feel the stakes for them. And so for us, yeah, it was really important knowing that the vast majority of the audience aren't going to be hardcore golf fans. We had to like, we had to explain kind of the basics, but, you know, now we don't have to do that anymore. We can just throw you right into the action. I love it. I love it. But I, I understand that being how big Netflix is and, you know, I think one of the really neat things that came out of just the first season of full swing is, you know, for the most part, the PGA tour to become a star, you know, you had to play well. And it didn't come from just being a really nice guy and a cool person. And I think in season one, having someone like Joel Damon, you know, he's a guy that I think everybody on the PGA tour knew he was one of the coolest dudes out there, but like really the world and the really the golf audience, I would say probably had no clue just what type of guy Joel Damon was. You know, I think for you, like being able to not just change the life of a guy like Joel Damon, but I think that's the really the cool part of the business of golf now that you have Netflix as an avenue to just strengthen your brand. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, Joel, Joel was definitely on my radar, like as a, as a hardcore fan, but you know, is sort of the perfect kind of success story for a show like this where, you know, a personality and someone who's just really open. I think that how do you get a successful, you know, episode of a being on the Netflix show? It's like, you just got to lean in. And I think Joel, more than more than pretty much anybody else from season one, like got that and actually leaned in. And you know, it was like the kind of thing where whenever we'd ask, he'd say, yes, like, Hey, can we come over to your house? Just play just missed the cut. We come over. Sure. Like, we have the cameras with you in this moment. Absolutely. Like he just decided that he was going to say yes, and he was going to really lean in and like sure, you know, yeah, like the whole crew, like it just they really all leaned in and they bought in and they kind of, you know, what we say to everybody is like the more you kind of like lean into it, the more you're going to get out of it. And I think Joel's like the perfect example of that. You know, another, another player that really I want to give credit to is Matt Fitzpatrick, like who, you know, who has not done a ton of media stuff before, but he made the commitment on its own and said, look, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it. Like I'm going to never say no. And you know, there's he's like in season one, you know, the final parry at the PGA Championship, we ride in with him in the car. You don't really frustrate. He's cool, really cool. He lets him back in the car again, you know, same thing in season two. You see him ironically at the same tournament, PGA Championship this year at Oak Hill or last year at Oak Hill. You know, this is the kind of again, frustrated. Guess what? He let us in the car and you know, you know, I got to give Sons of Credit for to Matt and those guys and really everybody who participated, but you know, those two really leaned in a lot. Yeah. And as you approach season two, I imagine season one, when you're trying to figure out like who are going to be the guys from the tour that are going to be featured in all these episodes, when season two is coming around and you're approaching players, you're approaching agents, was there more of a likelihood that you were going to be able to get guys to do it? Are there guys leaning out from their experience? Were there more guys that are showing up? It's like, please, please pick me. I want to be featured. I, you know, I think it was a bit of both, honestly, like these shows never really get easier to make because you still have to show up with the cameras in a intense moment and you know, film and hope that they don't kick you out of the room. So, you know, on some sense, yes, like guys like Wyndham Clark, you know, had had their agents, you know, their agents have been reaching out really honestly like for the whole history of the show saying, hey, Wyndham's going to be the guy. And, you know, it was a great example of a player who's, you know, raised their hand and ended up, you know, in season two in a very big way. And obviously, US Open champion Wyndham Clark and, you know, that may be my favorite episode of the series, Hem and Joel's episode. So, you know, and then some players really like got it and leaned in. You know, I had Rory, another example of a player who really understood kind of what this was and leaned back in. And, you know, and then others, yeah, they, they're like, you know, I had enough. And so we had, we had a little mix of both. And I think like, it's just kind of how it goes. And you try to make the best show possible until the kind of most compelling, interesting stories with the exes that you have. And we've been really lucky with the show that overall we've had amazing access. And I think we get, we get deeper into the sport than a lot of these other kind of similar shows do just given the fact that, you know, golfers and I think in general, they're good talkers. You know, it's not like they're on a team where they've got their comms department and they get kind of every once in a while to do a press conference. I mean, you know, you played the professional golf for a long time. It's like, come off the course, like there's a mic in your face. You know, these athletes are used to talking about their game. They're, they're personable. They've been playing golf with other random people their whole life. Like there's, there's just, I think pretty like good at talking, which makes it, you know, easier for us to kind of tell their stories in a real authentic way. And, you know, and again, it takes a lot of buy-in from them. But we've got it. And I think we've got, you know, deeper hooks into this world than, than, you know, a lot of these other shows do. So I'm very proud of that. Yeah. And I would say a lot of players are very brand conscious, just not wanting to say something that's going to get them in trouble with who their, their sponsors and who their partners are. And also there's just the general respect of the game of golf, you know, it's, it's a game where, you know, you respect yourself, you respect your opponents and you respect the game. And it's just, to me, I imagine that would be one of the hurdles that you may have dealt with. It's like, wait, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Can we go back and delete that? Was there any of that that's happened is along the way? It's like, I regret saying that please delete it. You know, honestly, never, that's never happened really once. Like, the players, like, credit saying something. Yeah. You know, I think the benefit of this show is that it doesn't come out, like, the same day, you know, it's, we're not, we have a different relationship with the players than I think the other people in the media do, because, you know, it's the media's job to kind of cover the cover, like, professional evolve and to write stories. And, you know, with us and our cameras, the guys know that this isn't going to come out for another, like, six months, nine months. You know, there's just, like, not that instant, like, it's not going on on Twitter the next day. They're not worried about distracting them the following week. Like, we become part of the fabric of their lives. And I, you know, our goal with the crew and our producers around the field is really just to, like, blend into the background. Like, we want these athletes to forget the cameras are there. And, you know, and then it's nice. I think they just get used to the fact that, hey, I can be vulnerable in this moment. And I'm not going to see it on the internet, like, two days later, you know, and, and they've got a whole year of context to come back from a really low point. And, you know, that's the secret of this show is like, we want to be there for your kind of lowest point, just because it gives us really to bring you back to a moment when you do kind of come back. And it's like, if it's all just flat, like, if you're just, like, playing great all year and everything's positive, like, there's no arc to that. It's not, that's not an interesting story. So, you know, the, to the credit of the players that say, yes, like, they get that. They're willing to be vulnerable. They're willing to see their lowest points. And that just means that we can bring them all the way back when they have a moment of, like, triumph or, you know, overcoming adversity. And, you know, and this season, in particular, with the Ryder Cup, like, just gave us this great narrative device because, you know, it's one of the few things in, in, in, like, our world making the show that we actually could predict. Like, you show up at a major. We've, we're following sort of eight to 10 players. You know, there's 100 something guys in the field, like, hopefully one of our guys wins. Like, sometimes we've got lucky other times we have it. But with the Ryder Cup, it's like, there's 24 players. There's two captains. One team's going to win. One team's going to lose. We knew there was going to be drama on both sides, win or lose, you know, kind of no matter what. And then the captains picks process, like, it's the one time we actually could get cameras in a place where we knew a dramatic moment was going to happen. And we could actually film it, like, because we knew it was coming. You know, it didn't take someone having to win a major for us to get a big payoff. And, and so, you know, we love, we love the, the buy-in from the both sides of the Ryder Cup teams and particularly the captains who, who kind of gave us an unprecedented look into that process. And I, and I think it pays off of you. If you're watching this podcast and you haven't watched the show yet, you know, stick through the whole, the whole thing because the Ryder Cup payoff is just, it's electric. He's right. He's right, guys. You're going to want to stick around for the, for the end, the last three episodes are featured, basically, the entire process of the Ryder Cup. And it's split into a part one and a part two for the Ryder Cup. And it's, and it's, it really is so fantastic to watch. I was like so nervous watching some of it. Even though I knew the results, I knew who got picked on the team, but still, man, it just, it's crazy. We're going to get into some of this Ryder Cup talk here at the end chat. And I just want to kind of go back to really just the beginning of full swing two and our season two, I should say, you know, if you had to describe this season, whether it be a word or just a sentence, you know, just summing it all up for you, how would you describe season two? I think this season is a lot more narrative in the sense that, you know, there are two, two-part episodes. Like season one was very, you know, we had an episode here, we had an episode here, we had an episode here, you know, so it's not necessarily in chronological order. But season two is, it throws you right into the scene, right into the action and pulls you across an entire like season-long narrative. And I think that was always something that we wanted to be able to do, is to be able to establish kind of a base of characters, like our kind of cinematic universe, so to speak of like these players, and to be able to like bring audiences back to them in different moments throughout the year, and you really start to feel like, yeah, you're just like propelled along this journey that they, on the ride that these players were on and their families were on. And I think like to me, the word that best describes that is kind of narrative, like, I think you can look at the entirety of season two, and it feels like one big consistent narrative arc. And you can see the character development like really evolved over the course of the season, and you know, episode one really centers around Rory McElroy, and you know, his struggles at the beginning of the year, and then ultimately his, you know, the sort of betrayal that he felt on June 6th, when the PGA tour framework agreement was announced. And you get to see kind of his, his like coming to terms with that over the course of entire season, and then kind of culminating in him in the Ryder Cup, like forgetting all the money and all the arguments and just like playing for a country and for his teammates, and like, you know, and it's obvious that this show is not just about Rory, but I think like that's a great example of a season long arc that like you just, just we didn't have in season one, you know, and the Ryder Cup gave us that like reason to build a universe and have it like payoff or not payoff for these characters and just be really high stakes for everybody. And correct me if I'm wrong, Chad, but in season one, Rory just agreed to come on very late in the process. Like the most of the filming was almost done. And y'all and you're like, all right, Rory, if you're if your schedule permits, I mean, you got one last shot to get your say in all this. Yeah, well, that was, I mean, it was even crazier than that. Like, we didn't have an ending to the show, and we showed up at the tour championship. And, you know, this was like a few weeks after the Delaware meeting, and you know, they did that I was like Tiger and Rory and all that whole crew that got together about like, yeah, how do we deal with the lift challenge? And so Rory was like emerging as a loud voice in that kind of conversation. And we, we knew we wanted again. But you know, he was, he had not committed to season one. And, you know, I think I've told the story before, but like I flew to Atlanta a Sunday night before the tour championship and just like went to East Lake at 730 in the morning and just waded around until I saw Rory, like it just kind of hoped and prayed that I would get a moment where he was going to be alone. And I could just like, actually give him the pitch directly and just say like, dude, and that's what happened. Like, I'm walking around the clubhouse upstairs at East Lake is, you know, it's where the locker room is, there's sort of a player dining area. And I'm just like watering the halls back and forth, essentially pacing. There's no one there. It's like, Hideki, that's Yama, I've been on the range for like three hours already. That was it. I've been there for y'all. And of course, I walked past this little alcove and looking when, you know, look in and there's Rory, like sitting there eating some breakfast, like alone, completely alone in a room. And I'm like, okay, you just like beamed in, you're like, you're getting a better opportunity than this. And I'd like to think that I just like marched right up to him and said, you're going to be in this show. Isn't the author, you know, but no, I like completely panicked and like went into the locker room, looked in the mirror, like psyched myself up and said, like, dude, finishing on this like 10 minute conversation, like you got to nail it. And, you know, it's a Rory's credit I walked in, I sat down and said, listen, I think, you know, I think you need to be a part of this. If you don't do it, then no one's going to hear from you until 2024, you know, where we are right now in season two, because he, you know, his team had said he would be interested in doing season two. And, you know, I thought there's just going to be some long drawn out, like conversation. And he immediately was like, I'm in, I'm in, send, send over the agreement, like I'm down, I'm down, let's go. And like two hours later, he was miked up in the locker room. And that obviously went on to the whole championship and the clinics got, and it was just, yeah, it was a dream. It's perfect. But yeah, all of that Rory stuff was kind of like, you know, the show was mostly done. And, you know, we're able to like, kind of, I think, stick the landing. So, the sweet sound of sports you love from sling, the collide of football pads, the squeak of shoes on a basketball court, the crack of the bat on a home run, the slice of skates cutting across the ice. But what about this one? That's the sound of all the sports you love. All at once, starting at $40 a month, experience it all live with sling. Sling. Reese's peanut butter cups are the greatest, but let me play devil's advocate here. Let's see. So, no, that's a good thing. That's definitely not a problem. Reese's, you did it. You stumped this charming devil. Well, we talk about all the time on this show, just there's like a formula to winning professional golf tournaments. And there's some of it's like, you know, being in the right place the right time on the back nine, some, and you know, got to have the opportunity, you need a little luck. And I think like just going back to the beginning of season one and just where the golf world was, it was in couldn't have been in a crazier place. And then this year, the Jane or the, excuse me, the June six agreement comes out that they're merging. It's like, so you can't write up better scripts than what you guys have had along with. I mean, some of the guys that y'all have featured in your shows have gone on to win big events and major championships and events. I mean, you could have picked guys that had terrible, all of them could have had terrible years and you're like, okay, these are tough stories to tell, but y'all have had a little luck along the way. I mean, that's such an understatement. I mean, look, anything like this is just you can do everything you can to like get really good access. You can get all the agreement sign, you can get commitments, you can get the cameras in the room, but you still got to have, you got to be lucky. The timing is everything. It's like, people say about real estate, it's like location, location, location. With a show like this, where it's not scripted, it's just timing, timing, timing. And there was a moment in time, since the deal with the tour got done in 2019, we could have made the show and started filming in 2020 and we would have been stuck in the COVID year and the bottom that just wouldn't have been no no juice. No juice. And so like, because of COVID, it actually pushed us back. We couldn't start that season. So it pushed us back into 22 and it just like the year that we had with the live defections last year, frankly, I thought coming into season two, we were going to be able to put that story down for a minute. So much of season one was about guys leaving. Are they going to leave? Are they going in the controversy of what lived meant and what was the future of the PGA tour? And so I kind of thought, all right, well, this season, we can take a break from that and like focus on the Ryder Cup. And no, sure enough, June six happens. I mean, I was out here in LA, it was like seven in the morning. And I got a phone call like from Netflix saying like, did you see the news like live in the PGA tour emerging? And I was like, that's not true. Like they gave me true must have been hacked. And you know, and to have something like that happen this year, where it flips this narrative back onto the PGA tour players, it wasn't so much about like the live guys anymore. And you know, were they doing it for the money or for, you know, why is golf just a job for them? Or is it about like legacy? You know, we really explored that theme a lot in season one, you know, season two, it puts the puts it right back on the guys that stayed. And all of a sudden there was this really kind of transformative dramatic moment where they all started looking around being like, wait a minute, like, what does this mean for us? And you know, there was a real sense of betrayal, a real sense of surprise and how secret it was. And you get to see the fallout of that in the show in a real way. And I do have a funny story about that moment. So, you know, I was out here in LA filming, you know, like we actually were very fortunate that that week, because it was US Open kind of that Monday, that happened on a Tuesday, it was June, it was June 6th, June 5th was like the final kind of regional or sectional qualifiers for the US Open. Yeah, so we had a bunch of performers out following those stories. And then we had a knowing that it was a down week for some of our players. We actually had cameras like at home with players that day. And it was amazing that we were able to capture like real time reaction from everybody kind of in the moment, like knowing what was, you know, not knowing that it was going to happen, but kind of seeing it in real time. And the funny story is we had a producer on our team, a younger producer who's essentially an associate producer, who all year had been saying like, hey, I want to produce a shoot, like I'm ready, like give me a little crew, you know, put me in, like I want a little battlefield promotion. And we agreed for that week that we're like, okay, we're going to like give you a little opportunity to like prove yourself as a producer. So we set him up to Canada to the RBC Canadian Open with a small crew. And we're like, okay, this is a total layup. Look at the Canada, right? Like what can happen in Canada? This is a total layup, like low-stakes shoot. You're going to follow Ludwig Oberg in his like qualifier for the US Open. And then you're going to go with him, you know, Tuesday to sign up like first first event as a PGA to our member. And so, you know, we're like, whether we use it or not, I don't know, but you know, it's a cool story. This guy's obviously a budding superstar. You know, we've been sort of following him. And we actually thought, you know, dark course may be Ryder Cup candidate. So we thought, okay, let's just ride in with him, have him sign up to be on the PGA tour, all the kind of logistics you have to do on your first day as a PGA tour member and then go out and fall and practicing a little bit. And it was just like totally low stakes. And of course, like, I look at my the phone and I'm like, holy crap, like PDV said in Canada, with his crew, it's he calls me and he's like, what do I do? And I'm like, just don't stop filming. Like, just record it, just record everything. As we're talking about being in the right place at the right time, you know, that's the ultimate kind of battlefield promotion. I mean, that kid went from, you know, soldier to general, like, really quick. And, and it killed it. Now it was awesome. Man, I can't imagine that that's like going from, you know, being a senior in college and they throw you out in a major championship. That's like probably the producer change probably from, from what he just experienced there. And like the beginning of before you kind of told this story, you mentioned how you touched on some of the live stuff last year. And actually, I remember, I think you guys went to the opening event that they had. I think it was in England, if I recall. And I'll say this year, the one surprise I had from the season was that there wasn't as much featured of the live golf terms. I thought there would be a little bit more of the players on the live golf to a little bit more of maybe the trash talk that we've kind of seen on Twitter from a lot of the live golf players was, was there, was there just, I guess I'm trying to come up with a question here, trying to figure out with the live golf in the PGA tour, was it sensitive to like, spend too much time over here at the live golf? Or was that just a decision not to go to as many of their events? I mean, I think for the reality is like this show is really built around, obviously, the PGA tour, but also kind of the majors and the writer cup. So our focus really was telling the story of like these players at the majors. And for me, it was really fascinating. Yeah, it was fascinating to be at the Masters, where we knew that was going to be a big moment when like all of these guys were back together for the first time. And it was really kind of like, it was striking on the Wednesday sort of par three contest to see like DJ and Brooks, you know, walking out with like John and Rory and JT and Jordan and everybody's just kind of like, the boy, he off with their kids. And it was just like, oh, right, like this is normal again. You know, this is like what it's like to feel like, you know, and, and I think that, you know, you see it in the show, but it kind of shocked the world when Rory said he was going to play practice on Brooks and obviously we know how that tournament unfolded. And then the PGA championship, you know, sort of Brooks getting his bit major. And, you know, I think we, we, we definitely wanted to make sure we included, you know, those live guys and their storylines, a huge part of professional golf. And you know, you see some of like Brooks's lead in, obviously playing well, going into the Masters and then, you know, going on to win. And then DJ, you know, like, got to have DJ in this thing. And, and it was fun to kind of spend more time with Dustin. He's unreal, man. I mean, he's not a real person. It's just like what a cool person. Yeah. Totally. He's just, I wish, I wish I was DJ. I mean, just totally. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I just, you know, you kind of just mentioned Brooks and what his kind of career, just storyline looked like winning his fifth major. And I think that was one of the things that surprised me because the first episode is a Rory feature. And I was kind of took him back a little bit just about how much Rory pays attention, just kind of the other players in his generation and Brooks being one of those players. I think, I think that's one storyline that's the, that is going to be one that people don't really expect. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, he's watching, he's paying attention and you feel it, you know, these guys aren't, you know, they're not robots. Like, they want to win. And, and, you know, they want to win big and they, they don't like to see people pass them by. And, you know, I think you, you feel it in a really real way. And when we start, you know, we start this, we end at season one with Rory, like literally on top of the world, you know, he had won the Ben X Cup, you know, sort of whatever is it kind of heroic ending for Rory. And then we start the season, he's number one in the world. And, you know, and quickly kind of goes off the rails on the golf course for him at, at the majors. And, you know, you can like really feel the frustration. And I think like all that stuff's like, is really authentic. I mean, again, you know, these guys want to win. It's so frustrating. We only get sort of four majors a year. Like, you know, you're like, you have limited kind of chances to get it done. And, and the frustration, obviously for him at the Masters missing the cut. And then, you know, not quite having like the gear that he felt like he needed at, at Oak Hill to get done with PGA. And then watching, you know, a player at Brooks, who now has every claim to say that, you know, maybe Brooks is the generational player of this era, you know, and, and like, that's, that just creates on. I mean, you can tell it like it's, I mean, Rory says, totally totally, totally. Totally. And, and I think the chef, the chef's kiss episode, it's like, when you, when you make a perfect thing in the oven, it comes out and you just, you're like, mmm, that was, that was money. For me, it was, it was the episode with, with a Wyndham Clark and Joel Damon. And the reason why I say this, and you kind of mentioned it a little bit before, but I think they're both two players that are in the same frame of mind in one form of another, that one leans in to getting help and one is leaning out. And you could see one player ascend and one player descend. And I think that storyline between those two players is, it's, it's really perfect. Well, thank you. Thank you. I mean, that episode, you know, that's one of the, that was one of the earliest episodes that we finished, because it's just the storyline. You can't, again, you can't write it, like, and that was one that we didn't really go into this season thinking, like, Wyndham Clark and Joel Damon would, like, share an episode together. But, you know, we, we spent so much time with Joel and, and interestingly, like the parallels between their lives are so fascinating. And, you know, and as we got to know Wyndham early in the year, we're like, wow, like this guy, it's a lot like Joel, you know, they're both not really from golf, like towns, you know, there's like a West or Pacific Northwest, you know, I think, you know, Wyndham lives in like Colorado and Joel obviously is from the Washington state. And they both like lost their mom at a really young age at a really pivotal age, I guess. And, you know, it's interesting to see, like, Joel's, what he took away from that was, and he says it in the show, it's kind of like, like, I can't take life too serious, because, you know, it can kind of end at any moment. And, you know, and then Wyndham in his own way had, like, the opposite take away from that, which is like, I'm going to kind of sacrifice everything. I'm going to sacrifice having a normal life to live up to a crime-driven memory. Yeah, and like, and because of her, really, like, she wanted me to win a dig, and I'm going to live up to that. That was sort of my promise to myself in honor of her memory. And, you know, and Wyndham sort of made a ton of sacrifices and sought out help and got mental health coaching and, you know, pays off for him in like the biggest possible ways and major champion now. And then you see Joel, you know, really struggle with that. And his, and not just Joel, but his, the family around him, you know, Gino and Joel's wife, and Gino's wife, and just how much they are trying to, like, reach out to him to get him help. And it was a fascinating story that we never expected to come together so kind of perfectly. And it's again, it's again the kind of thing you can't, you can't write. So I couldn't be more like proud of that episode. I mean, the team is really good. Really good. And the runner up for me was, I think Ricky's episode was, was fantastic as well. And, you know, I think the reason why I like these two episodes so much is the endings of the episodes are so good, the ending. And, and I think it's the music choice that it's just like that little strum of music that just like pulls at your heart. And it just, it just rips me apart when I, when you're, when you cue the music, you know, the episodes almost over. And then you see everybody getting like teary and cry. And I'm like, man, how am I supposed to keep it together right now? This music's so good. Like this story just that's being told. You're killing me with the music, man. You got to like, you got to let it just play out in silence because I'm just over here crying away. You know, we like that's the beauty of having, you know, sort of 20 weeks of editing is you can really just grab your heartstrings, man. We can, you know, we get the sights down and motion. That's the beauty of cinema. And, and you know, it is, it allows you to relive a moment where if you're a hardcore fan, like, you know what happens, but, but in the moment in the show, like, you know, you kind of that all falls away. And, you know, we, we try to bring you into it in a new way, at least, and have you see it in a different way. And yeah, we throw some dramatic music under there. You know, Ricky's a great example. I know you brought up his episode, you know, this is like, you know, it's a real story. So Ricky was the first player to say yes to full swing. Like Ricky said yes in 2019 and, you know, was very, very committed to this very early on. And, you know, and like gave us a ton of access in season one, like, and didn't pay off. And, you know, you know, all these players, like, it's never easy, but we had to go to like his team and say, like, I'm so sorry. I know you were the first player to say yes. I know you gave us a ton of time all year. Like, you're not going to be in the show for season one. And, you know, like to tell superstar, like, Ricky Fowler that he's not making in the show. I mean, obviously he took it fine, but it's a hard conversation to have. And what we said was like, we see it like you're coming back, like we see the game, you know, turning, like if you have patience with us and you kind of give us the chance to kind of finish your story, like we had like 80% of it done, but we're like, we don't have an ending. So let us like just stick with us. And when you do have that payoff, it's going to be like two years of emotion kind of building up and then being released all at once. And that's what happened. So, you know, credit to Ricky, like he, he trusted us, you know, didn't, wasn't really in season one in really any meaningful way and gets like, you know, the most compelling sort of powerful arc that pays off over kind of a whole two year period. And when that putt goes in and Detroit, you know, like the viewer, you feel the same emotion that he feels. It's not even much celebration. It's just like relief, like, Oh, yeah, finally, I think it's because I first off, I know Ricky well. And I think I just related so much to what he was going through during those couple years. And I think seeing just the the access that you guys had and see him like kind of start to open up and become out of the shell that he was in, because I relate to that so much during when I was playing poorly on tour and just not being able to open up. And I just when I saw Ricky during that time period, I just saw so much of myself. And I think that's why that episode when he finally made the putt to win and just the success he had at the US Open, I'm like, my wife's crying behind me, I'm tearing up. And then, you know, we also have a daughter, she's a little my is a little older than Anna Carter, but still just all of it was so relatable to me and that episode as well was just an absolute winner. Well, thank you. And you know, honestly, like Alison, you know, Ricky's wife, like just she gave us so much just access and truth and authenticity. And like, you know, you can't make a story like that payoff without somebody like Alison, you know, like, because you is working, obviously, he can try to bring you into his head as much as he can. But you know, having someone else who cares so much about a player, but has really no control over like the outcomes, you know, you feel it even more because you feel like what they went through together, you know, and they're both right. And you know, and it just having it pay off for both of them, like you feel the emotional reaction so much more just because you've now gotten to know her as well. And you've kind of been on the journey with them as a couple and as a family and just said to have that kind of all pay off for them together, it just means so much. And you know, and that's like the magic of a show like this, where you have the time and the space and the context to be able to really get to know somebody and to spend time in their world. And you know, when it pays off, it pays off big. Absolutely. And you know, we just talked about Ricky, but also Justin has his own kind of featured episode in Jordan's, you know, kind of in in the episodes, pretty much all of them like throughout, but not not quite as much of a feature. And so I got to ask you this, when's the spring break, 2k, whatever Netflix episode, is that going to be in season three or is that in season four? Are we, do we have a chance to show that we can do this thing on Netflix or watch ad? When are you guys going? I mean, I'll get the cameras there. Like, you're like, dude, any time, like, just let us bring the cameras. Every week of my last season, when we were filming, and I see on social media that, like, all you guys are at some cool place having fun. I sent a lot of angry text messages to Asians. Being like, why are we not there? You make that happen, and we'll have the cameras there in two seconds. You know, I ain't making that call. That ain't my call to make. I'm just the guy. I'm like the guy at the end of the bench, you know, it's the it's the other three. They got to sign off. I'm, you know, my secret is always right there. Don't sell yourself short, brother. I think you got a lot more power than thanks. You just got to tell them for me, you know, they're not even here for you. They're here for me. Like, you know, this is, we're making the smiley show on Netflix now. So you guys, you know, they're here for me, but that's what we got. Bang, bang. Oh gosh, man, that would be a fun one. I know we've, we basically were, we were golf influencers in 2016 before golf influencers were really a thing, you know, and, and you know, I've had this conversation before this that golf, you know, since 2016 when, you know, we kind of like, we're like, oh, wait, golf, there's some young guys and we kind of made golf cool, but I say that we made golf cool. We just actually just filmed everything we did and we just posted and people liked it. But golf now in 2024, it's cool. Everybody's doing it. And it wasn't always been that case. And that's probably why this, this full season's been so successful is that you can have a huge crop of people that are just drawn to this game. Yeah, I think like, I think, you know, golf was already trending in 2016. And, you know, obviously the young crop of players on the PGA tour that were more socially like, you know, they post that you guys being the perfect example of that. But also guys like Max, who really are open on social media, like, you know, this generation of young player, like, they grew up with social media. So wasn't kind of the era of like, feeling tiger and, and, you know, sort of, there's not a lot of like stuff coming from, from them directly. You know, I think you see the impact of that and the growth of the game as like, really accelerating in COVID because it was like one of the only things that people could do outside and everyone's working for Rome and they're like, doing conference calls from the golf course, you know, like guilty as far by the way, like, there too. And I think that like, that gave, you know, that like, really kind of, I think, created this wave. And you know, the thing that's real and what I love about golf in general is like, golf is super healthy, like golf probably never been healthier. And it's, and it's gotten younger, and it's gotten cooler and more women are playing and it's more diverse. And there's just like way more touch points and access points for the game than the really has ever been in its entire history. And I kind of think it's like, maybe golf had a cultural moment like this in like the 60s. Like, that was, you know, in the rap pack era and Jack and Arnie, like that early kind of cool golf was like influence. That might have been the moment, but, but certainly like, it's not been anything like that since then. And also that it's not centered around one player like tiger, you know, it's golf is broader than that. And even though pro golf, as you will know, is still in kind of a moment of flux and a moment of chaos and a lot of the back and forth around the pro game, I think is, you know, as a real risk of like turning fans off, you know, golf as a whole has never been healthier. And I think what we hope to do with full swing season two, and if you, you know, watch the show, you're listening to this podcast or you're about to watch it, like it is about, it's like four fans, you know, and it's whether it's your fans have full swing and you're not necessarily a golf fan. And this brings you into the world or you're a hardcore golf fan. Like, there's something in this show for you. And I think it's a chance to like, to just make something that's awesome in golf. And, you know, you may not think it's awesome, you know, feel free to be haters. I'm fine with that. But like, you know, to get to see inside a world like this, to live alongside these athletes and kind of the highs and lows, you know, it's just a nice thing that doesn't involve like having to have a fight about who's getting paid what. And I think golf is, golf is doing great. And I think like, you know, if this show can help point the way to, you know, that these characters are awesome individuals and they're doing incredible stuff, I think it's awesome. Ah, the sweet sound of sports you love from sling, the collide of football pads, the squeak of shoes on a basketball court, the crack of the bat on a home run, the slice of skates cutting across the ice. But what about this one? That's the sound of all the sports you love. All at once, starting at $40 a month, experience it all live with sling, sling. Reese's peanut butter cups are the greatest, but let me play devil's advocate here. Let's see. So, no, that's a good thing. That's definitely not a problem. Reese's, you did it. You stumped this charming devil. And in this season too, how much more footage did y'all capture compared to season one that y'all just had to totally dump? It was like 750 hours in season one. It was 900 hours in season two. So we, you know, it was another 150. Nine hundred the math works. Yeah, another 150 hours of footage that we shot on our like movie cameras. We bring in like another 10,000 hours of archive and we have a system that sits on a camera truck that allows us to capture every single camera, like at every tournament, basically, including all the mics on the T's. And we can capture it real time because those are all getting fed in even if they're not getting you know, used to get these hot mics. That's right. We've got an operator sitting in New York who's literally just like, okay, you know, Rich Fowler's team off. And second, he steps on that first tee. We start recording those mics and all the cameras on that hole. And then as he moves along the court, we're lighting up that stuff like as he's playing his whole 18 holes and we do that for like every time he's teased up. And so that's, you know, that's 10,000 hours of stuff right there. But that like allows Joe to go off in a way that like doesn't look like what you see on TV. We can sort of relive those moments from other angles and with the real hot mics and we don't have to put mics on players to try to swing and win a major or something like that. But yeah, you end up pulling all that stuff in and a lot of it gets left on the cutting room floor. But by the same token, it's like we want to make eight really great episodes. And you know, and like I said, with Ricky in season one, like, you know, you need a payoff, like you have to have an arc. You know, you can't like the kiss of death for for an episode is just like stasis. You know, it's really hard to tell a story that is flat, like where they're just playing okay all year. And it's not anything great. It's not really terrible. It's just like flat. And that's a really hard story to tell. You need extreme highs and extreme lows or extreme, only extreme lows are only extreme. You need like variability to be able to land a story. And you know, I think about like the Tom Kim episode is like a really interesting kind of example of a of a story that really could have been that flat story. Like Tom's a really great personality. You know, we started with him early in the season. There's so many hilarious moments that came showing up at Augusta for the first time and parking in the wrong spot and like, not being able to find out where the like, try, you know, he's trying to get the same question like ended up champions locker room on accident. Like, it's just, you're all like, what do you expect for being 20 years old, like showing up with Masters for the first time and being overwhelmed by all of it. Tom's a great, was a great character. But you know, as the season progressed, it's like, okay, he's playing well, but like you can't make a show about him like being in the mud at the PGA championship. You know, you needed some moment where he actually had to prove it and like rise up against the adversity and, you know, going into the open championship, we weren't sure if the Tom episode was going to make it. You know, we're like, we got great moments. There's a lot of really funny moments, but this show isn't about moments. It's about stories and it's about scenes and it's how these things build up. And sure enough, like, you know, on the after the first round, he injures his ankle, rolls his ankle, you know, a lot of players in that area. I mean, he had like serious tear in his ankle and you watch him swing. I mean, he's swinging on one leg, basically. And in the weather was crap. And like, you know, most players in that case would give up or they would withdraw and like Tom, like gutted it out and ended up getting, you know, coming in second. People, you know, we're watching this all in full, we're like, oh my god, like, there's our ending because, you know, he everything, you know, he's obviously a prodigy. And he's, you know, he's a multi-time winner on the PGA Tour. He's turned 21 like while we were filming the show last year. You know, people forget how young he is. You know, you look at a guy like a lot of big over and I think a lot of it's like 24, you know, and even like the Dunlap is a big 23. So, you know, Tom was 20 and he'd already won twice on tour. And, you know, and so for us to get a moment where he really, it was, it was a challenge. He had to rise up and he had to, you know, his, his prodigy and his super started. It didn't matter. It was like, you got to like grid it out. And, and that was the payoff of that episode. And then, of course, he goes on to win in Vegas again, you know, just because he's Tom Kim and he gets, he gets it done. But, but yeah, that's a great example of a show, you know, of the, of what you need to make an episode actually land. I'm taking mental notes right now for when, if I ever make a comeback in the game, Chad, it's like, all right, I can't just come back. I actually have to play well and like really, and captivate an audience. Like, I can't just go and make the cut. I really, I need to finish top five. And so I'm thinking on my head, it's like, you know what? Yeah. Maybe I'm not a feature guy. You got to miss a bunch of cuts, but then you got to, you know, you got to qualify yourself for the U.S. Open. You got to win. And I got to win. Okay. I got to win. All right. Let's finish on a little Ryder Cup stuff and that'll be kind of how we close out this interview because I think all this stuff's been fantastic and we're, thank you for your time through this. And as we, as we kind of just finished with this Ryder Cup, were you surprised at the level of access that you got for that just from, you know, being in players homes when they got the calls and just how intense these moments were? Yeah. I mean, that was a, that was a shit ton of work, like, to get that access over a period of like a year and a half. And, you know, as we started filming season one, you know, and it was going well, you know, we started conversations with the P.J. of America and with Ryder Cup Europe about the Ryder Cup. And, you know, they, they at first, like, really wanted it to be its own thing, you know, and I, and I think like they, rightly so, the Ryder Cup is like, is so special. And, and it took a lot of consensus building and trust building to like not only have them willing to like let us film it at all, but actually have to be part of full swing and not its own show or the zone thing. And one of the promises that we made to, this was really more of a concern for Ryder Cup Europe, but like so many of the cast from season one were Americans. And so they're a big concern was like, you know, they're coming off this dominant performance and whistling straits, like a lot of your cast are Americans. Like, how does this not end up becoming like the USA story, you know, and we wanted them. And so the promise to the Ryder Cup both sides was like, we're going to, we're going to do it equally. Like, we're going to, we're going to, every time we go and film with somebody, you know, the US captain was at, we're going to do a shoot with Luke. And as long as you lean in, like, and you give us the access, we'll, we'll do everything we can to make it as like fair and equal a portrayal as possible in terms of like the amount of street time and how we kind of tell the story. And, you know, I am Luke was amazing. Like Luke, by the way, Luke Donald is my favorite player growing up. Like, obviously, I'm a tiger guy, but like, I was, you know, I was 14 years old when Tiger went nuts in 2000 and like, you know, and I could not relate to that golf. Like, I was a die hard junior golfer, you know, played pretty competitively, not, not, not as well as you did at that area age. But like, you know, it was, was into it. Tiger golf is like, not relatable. Luke Donald golf. I was like, that's my guy. So I love this swing. I'm still a visor guy, actually, just because of Luke Donald, I would still wear visors with my big golf. So he was my favorite player. I had a Mizuno irons. Like I'm obsessed with Luke. Oh, you're definitely a Luke guy then. The Mizuno irons and the visor that that's like chef's kiss. Could you pot and chip too? Yeah, my short game was way better than my long game. I wasn't obviously not a real bad player, but actually, if you watch my golf swing, it actually, like, I have the same finish. I copied, I tried a copy of Donald and everything. So the one moment I've ever had in the show, to be honest, like where I was a little bit starstruck was like going to Luke Donald's house to like, talk him, not talk him into, but meet him and talk about like, hey, you become the captain, you know, you weren't even really the first choice. It was Henrik. Like, you want to see it from your perspective and, you know, you're going to be underdogs. And so going into his house and sitting down and having him walk out, I was like, oh my god, it's Luke Donald. And I asked for his autograph. It's the only autograph I've ever asked for. And he thought I was joking. And then he went and got me a hat and find it. So I haven't found it somewhere. It's like, I don't know if it's around here somewhere. But anyway, so, you know, love Luke and then love Zack too. Like they, they both really understood what it was going to be. And they gave us a ton of access all year, like all year long. Anytime we asked, the captain said yes. And the show wouldn't have worked if it wasn't for that. And, you know, getting our cameras, like I said earlier in this podcast, like the Ryder Cup is the one time in this show where we've ever been able to plan. Like, because we knew like, again, we knew one team was going to win and one team was going to lose, which means like, that's great. You get heartbreak and, and celebration for everybody. And like, there's no person who's just kind of like, I did all right. You know, I finished tide. You know, it's just like, you win or you lose. So we knew that was going to be great. And the payoff at in Rome was going to be electric. Having been to a Ryder Cup before, I was like, it's going to be insane. Like seeing that with our cameras inside the ropes, just the, the, the, the boo-wing and the songs that we were like, it's going to be, it's going to be great. So we knew once we got to Rome, it was going to be great. But we had to tell the story, like getting to Rome. And the captain's picks were a thing that we knew like, we were in the, we knew what the captain's picks were before anybody else in the world. Like, we were sitting in the room with Zach and his assistant captains when they made the choice. And I get a text on that morning, here's the picks. Like, the six picks are these guys. And we had to get cameras out to like, those locations. Zach was going to make all the phone calls. It took like 25 minutes total. And we had to have, we had three different crews in three different time zones, like bouncing around different houses. I mean, we, we had a crew like camped out outside of JT's place in Nashville. He had said he wasn't going to let us film it. We were like, get there anyway. So we flew a crew literally like that night, got her there like first thing in the morning, like trying to find his house and just like waiting in his cul-de-sac, like hoping that we can like see him through the window. And I was going to apologize later, you know? And then he went out and like walked with Jill because he was too nervous. I mean, he legitimately did not think he had a chance. And then we had another crew in Jupiter that had to get from Keegan's house to Ricky's house. And they lived like a couple miles away. And that call was like, there was 10 minutes in between. So, you know, talking credit to both of those guys, they said, we'll let you film it like yes or no. Like if we give on the pick, great, if not great, we want the cameras there. And the thing that was most crushing with Keegan was, you know, we knew that it was a no. We had cameras come and knew that we were supposed to be there. But we hadn't like told him that we were there yet. And the there was, we do these call sheets, you know, for our producers. And there was a typo in the call sheets. They had the wrong address for Keegan's house. So the producer was like, not there. And the call was going out in like 10 minutes. And I had to call Keegan and say, hey, buddy, like, I think we got the wrong address. Can you confirm this is your address? And we're coming in with the cameras. And because I called him, he thought that that meant he was a yes, because he like thought that we're going to be there. Yes. So he opens the door, big smile on his face, like, let's see what this is all about. And then like literally a minute after our producer got there, he gets the phone call and, you know, we played out real time. And the worst part about that was, you know, it is a crushing moment. You know, and the first, I mean, I started, I did the first interview with Keegan in January last season. And the first thing he said up his mouth is the only thing that matters to me making this Ryder Cup team. Like give one in Japan kind of in the fall, trending up. All I want is to make the Ryder Cup team. And so just like all of that building to that moment and to have his heart broken that way was brutal and have the cameras there captured, I give him so much credit for letting us kind of live there. The worst part was as soon as that shot cuts, like that bruiser had to leave and get to Ricky's house in like 10 minutes. And so we couldn't even figure around and like give him a hug. It was just kind of like thanks man by like out the door on the road, like trying to get to Ricky's house. And we're on the phone with the bruiser. We're like, are you there? He's like, I'm two minutes out, you know, it's like Zach's gonna make the call or get there, you know, and Allison opens the door. Like he runs through the house goes to where Ricky was sitting on the back, gets the camera set right as the phone call comes in. And you know, that was like real. That was like real time, their real reaction, you know, and as you see in the show, like JT like, you know, ran away from us because he was afraid that he was gonna be a no. And and we're like crushed because we had a camera there. We're like, Oh, like it was a yes. And we didn't get any footage of it. And then like three hours later, like JT texted me and he sent me that video that Jill had taken and he was like, I hope this works. And I asked, you know, he'd asked her to film it. And it works. It actually works better because it's just, yeah, it just shows how like he did not think it was gonna go his way and he was terrified. And oh, you know, you would have never known that. I didn't know that wasn't y'all's camera. Yeah, film and just that's actually kind of cooler too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they're out on a walk. He gets the phone call. That's her filming on her iPhone. And every single second of that clip we used to and then, you know, like eight hours that very sends me a text and he has a huge bass. So, you know, not too bad. Man, this just gets to be excited for the writer cup in New York. It's going to be absolutely insane. And watching Keegan Bradley kind of get the rejection and then watch and cheer his team on went at home with his family. I think like in my mind, I'm like, okay, this guy, if he doesn't make the team in New York, like, how could you not want this guy as like a whether it be a vice captain or a captain? I just thought, I haven't really thought about Keegan as a captain. But in that moment, watching, I'm thinking, this guy, like Wives and Breeze, the writer cup loves all these guys. He loves the USA and has relationships with all these players. And they're looking for a captain. I think Keegan should be a guy they consider. I mean, you will love like a bigger Keegan Bradley fan than me after this show, you know, and just the experience we have with him and just how mature a professional he was in the moment of Real Heartbreak in that, you know, in that scene, like we went back to his house on Saturday and filmed him watching the writer Sunday or whatever it was and filmed him watching and he's wearing his writer cup hat, you know, he's sitting there with his kids, like cheering on AT. Like none of that stuff's like, we didn't ask him to do it. He's just like, he loves it so much and he cares and he just like, he just can't not root for him, you know, like, how do you not all love with Keegan, who, you know, and you know, Keegan and I are the same age, which is just like interesting to me personally, we have kids that are basically the same age, you know, like, and, you know, I feel like I'm lucky enough that I'm at kind of like, you know, the prime of my career. But as a pro-valfer, as an athlete, like, you know, you start to at your late 30s, like, you know, you start to look at like, what's next? And, you know, just the fact that for him, the pressure was just not just to make the team, but to know that maybe this is his last real shot. And it's like, you can't script that kind of real emotion. And, you know, and propped to him for like being willing, you know, win or lose good or bad to like, let us film it. And, you know, just you feel it. Like, you can't, again, you can't think a moment like that. And I think that moment of his sort of rejection call is like one of the most visceral, like, sports moments that I've ever got to see like, up close and personal and be a part of it. And it's just so cool that he must do that. Yeah. Well, I mean, I hope he's playing, whether it be the President's Cup in Montreal or the Ryder Cup in New York. But yeah, big Keegan fan, always been a fan. He's been a mentor of me as well. So, and I think it's a great close, man. I think we kind of covered it all. We, I'm sure there's plenty more that we could have talked about. But at this point, the episode is going to be out when people are listening and watching this episode. So I'm sure they're, they're pretty excited to go watch as well. And I got to head out as well, because I got 30 minutes left of this entire season. I watched binge it all last night, I watched it all this morning, and I have 30 minutes left and I'm dying to watch. So, Chad, I think that's just like a farewell. I was like, I got to go and watch this thing. All right, brother. Well, you enjoy it. And thanks again for having me on. It was always great to join you. And let's get together on the link sometimes as well. I know you're a southern boy. So you got to come over here to my home track here at Scholl Creek. You'll have you out. Let's go, baby. The Smiley Show is part of the SiriusXM sports podcast network. If you enjoyed this episode and want to hear more, please give a five star rating and leave a review. Subscribe today wherever you stream your podcast. Seezer's Sportsbook is the only sportsbook app with Caesars Rewards. That means win or lose every bet brings you closer to the types of perks only Caesars can offer. Like hotels stays at over 50 iconic destinations, bonus bets, daily profit boosts, tickets to the game, dining, and so much more. Whether you're a new or existing customer, Caesars Sportsbook is always rewarding. Must be 21. 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