[music] I think about two or three stop signs, that's it. So you extra small town? Oh yeah, extra, extra extra. But I just recently moved there, I lived in Staceville, North Carolina for the biggest part of my life, just moved there when I got married, I've been there for the last three years, worked down in Blacksburg, South Carolina at a chemical plant, been working there for two years. So it's kind of helped me out being that close to South Carolina, so I have two of the better worlds there. Since I worked there, I can try to hunt there, and I've made some friends work, so it's kind of worked out in my way there to have other places to hunt. So I mean, why not? I worked there, I'm only 10 minutes from the state line, why not give it a try? Absolutely. I haven't deer hunted yet, I've only tarky hunted it, and I look forward to trying deer hunting there in this year, a friend of mine has a little pace of property that they told me I'd come kill a few deer if I wanted to, helping me out, and they plumb full of deer. I was like, "Oh my." So you've been deer hunting long? No, actually he hasn't. No, I'm talking about you. Oh, me. Oh, so I thought it's your bug, yeah. I thought you saw about him. Yeah, I've been hunting about, I think it's part of my life, started about eight years old, you know, just gun hunting really, I know there ain't no gun hunting podcast. Yes, listen, I'm owned by working class bow hunters. This is hunting the Mason Dixon. We hunt with anything that's legal. Oh, that is true. It's a little different. Yeah. A little different. We hunt, we're from the south button. If the season's in and we can use it, we're going to, because we'd rather kill. That's right. Yeah. I like, I like packed freezers, man. I don't know about you. There you go. There you go. That's one way to do it. That's one way to look at it. Um, but yeah, I started about, I was about, I was about eight, and just, you know, during that week of Thanksgiving, that was the, that was my time to shine. Me and daddy go out there and we just hunted public. We didn't have no problem, we ain't hunt. Yeah. So we hunt a, a public national forest, you know, big, big mountains up there where he's at. And, uh, end up my first year. I did kill one. I killed my first though, and like I said, all my family members were, were there with that one. You know, all my cousins, we all went that open in the morning and, uh, that no, wasn't open in the morning, thanks again in the morning. And, uh, we all went our separate ways when we come back and you know, I was only one shot in the morning and everybody, you know, I killed a hundred and nine inch deer. Yeah. That was cool shit. Yeah. Um, but, you know, that's what got me started. You know, I hadn't been bow hunting all that long, probably about 15 years been bow hunting. That's a long time. I mean, how old are you? 31. 31. 31. So I mean, you bow hunted half your life. Yeah. You, you think about bow hunting, not for a long time. You think for three to four years, uh, yeah, you've been bow hunting longer now. So even bow hunting. Well, I've been bow hunting quote unquote, unquote unquote. Yeah. Now actually bow killing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've really started to, uh, find my little niche there. You've up to game a little bit. I have. I end up the Jordan Jones standard, but oh, shut down. God. I hate that. I hate that. So bad. I love you like a brother. Yeah. I know it. I know you do. God dang. Listen, I was very fortunate growing up. I had a baddie that, that knew everybody that we had a bunch of land that we could hunt and I killed everything, everything. And I got a good waffle. That's when we go out of state. That's right. I mean, I've been very, very fortunate and the job that I do, I got to random places all the time and hey, like I picked up 120 acre piece of the day and I picked up a 40 acre piece in the same county and just somebody called in about ants and I'm like, hey, it looks like you got, well, one guy was squirrels and hey, man, you looks like you got, uh, 120 acres. I'm pulling in, I'm pulling up on it. Yeah. It says I pull in there and I talked enough shit to the guys, I can't, man, come do your hunt. I don't care. And then another 40 acre place guy has ants. I got to go meet up with him. I got all my cameras ready. I'm going over there tomorrow and we're meeting up and going to go ride his property lines, even though I know where his property lines are. It's a good thing is about, you know, our day and age and deer hunting, I can tell you where it is and that that's the place that I really, I give up that 120 for this 40 in a second. Hey, yeah, man. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't know. Since I moved to Cleveland County, it's been, it's been kind of tough finding places to hunt. Yeah. Everybody and her brother. Yeah. Um, I did look up, um, my cousin that I married, um, then you married because I got to take that off down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down. I buried into this. Yeah. That's my wife's cousin. Mm hmm. So he, uh, uh, his family owns, I think it's right at, right at a hundred acres. Yeah. And him and his dad hunted it for so many years and I think two years ago, a dad passed away, so he quit hunting. He didn't hunt no more. Yeah. Just out of the blue, man, he messaged me and he said, Hey, I got a spot open on the farm. I said, he said, I, I ain't gonna, I can't, I don't want to hunt myself. Yeah. So if you want to pitch in and help on the farm this year, you have full rights to it. I said to hell, you say, I was like, I, I've been over once or twice, but just coyote hunt a night. I never seen it during the day. Yeah. And, um, he took me over and showed me everything. And I was like, are you, are you sure you don't give me a full reign? And this just happened this year. Yeah. This is like about a month or two ago. Oh, well. It's right before target season. Yeah. So I got the target on it and scouted at the same time. Yeah. So it worked out freaking amazing. Yeah. Um, I just looked into that one. Yeah. Um, but we do have 50 acres at the house. Mm hmm. So that, and I'm married into that. So I'm in the wheel for that rascal. Yeah. So, and it's pretty prom. Yeah. I mean, you've seen some of the deer I have there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got some good deer, especially for the area. Yeah. And it's right there on the, uh, roller for county line right there. You know, a roller for county holds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's some giants that come out of a roller for county. Oh yeah. So it's, uh, been pretty good. Yeah. I love it where I'm at, um, this year I haven't really been in a hurry together. You get ready yet. It's a hundred degrees. It is. It's been too bad, man. I ain't had the energy to do it after I worked, you know, all, you know, work nights, switch back to days, switch back to night and switch back to day again. Mm hmm. And you don't have any energy for that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hadn't even shot my bow yet. Dang. That is unlucky. It is very unlikely. What's the dude? I shot my bow hardly at all. All summer. Seriously. Like I flew in to the working class bow hunter shoot. And my bow was shooting 18 inches to the right. I don't know what they did on that airplane, but I had shot it, you know, for two or three days before I went out there and fricking pin wheeling all the way out to 60 yards with my pants. I'll get there. I'm shaky. I'm, I'm hungover. But yeah, but I'm shaky and on and stuff like that. I was hitting 18 inches to the right. I finally got the damn thing to work, but, you know, that was halfway through the course when I was like, scared this, I just, I quit it. The back out started to break a beer again, but yeah, not me, not this guy, not this guy. No, no, but, uh, well, Scott, like, man, tell me, tell me some hit was, what's something interesting about you that has nothing to do with hunting? Well, I've been, I've, before I really started getting in the hunt and I picked up dirt bike racing. And then I was, I was hungover for that for a long time. Yeah. Probably about eight, about about 18 years, probably. Damn. And, uh, were you good? If I was stuck with it, yes, but I started to get hurt too much and I made it, I went through the rain, started as low as you can go. I started, the man needs to work my all the way up, all myself all the way up to a double A class, which is right underneath the pro level, local pro, and, uh, took some time. But, you know, I got better. I had good friends back me up. I had good people in my corner. I started getting hurt, started getting hurt after like, just left and right, just a little nitpicky shit, you know, hand broke, shoulder ball bruised up, torn legaments and all that. I ended up breaking my leg, I broke my leg back in '07 and I'm still suffering from that. No kidding. Yeah. Um, so I started getting hurt and I had time, I couldn't pay for nothing and I'm being out of work. So I would go back to work, race cup, race, getting hurt again. So, boss coming to me, he said, Hey man, I need you here. I said, I can't have you out being hurt all the time. It's either going to be your job, you're going to quit racing. Mm hmm. That's why I hung the helmet up. That's like, I can't afford to do this and get hurt. So you're not going to be on TV any time. So it was the point. I ain't no Bubba Stewart. I ain't. Yeah. You know, play singer or any, anyone of them guys, I get it. I get it. I mean, it sucks though, because I know it's something you loved and I know the, it's, that's the, well, the one good thing I love about hunting is my boss can't tell me, no, you, you ain't going hunting because I'm not going to, I mean, don't get it wrong. There's people get hurt all every year out there and do your hunting. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I haven't twisted ankles, fell out of a tree stand and done stuff like that. So I mean, yes, it's, it's, it could cause, but you're not, you're not putting yourself in a harm's way. No. All the time. And I, you know, I was still, I mean, I, I need to hurt all the time, I, I ache every day. Yeah. And I'll help. I'm only 31. Yeah. So I'm reaping the benefits off of it. Yeah. So, uh, I don't know, probably about four or five years ago, I had a wild hair, I bought me no bite. Mm hmm. So I told, I told my wife or girlfriend at a time, I said, I'm just going to race the ones a lot. She said, okay, I said, well, we'll go through a few races, whatever season. So we, uh, we've done a few and I was holding my own, she's like, well, I'm going to do something. We'll do some more next year. You know, just keep up and up to get back where you was at. And, uh, I told her I said, I'll tell you when it gets to August, I'm done. Mm hmm. Dear season right around the corner. Mm hmm. I said, I don't care how many, for how far I am in point standing, I said, once it gets to that point, I quit. Because I'm definitely also not going to try to get hurt right before deer season starts. Yeah, I ain't doing that. Yeah. That's, that's my war, my passion anyway. So, um, and summers are never easy around here. Mm hmm. Hell not. So I wanted to cut that out way before it got too hot. Mm hmm. So I got to the point last year, I made my decision. I was like, you know what, I'm done with this. I said, I'd rather hunt, do what I like to do more than, you know, stuff don't bounce like it used to. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. So, I noticed that shit, but I get in the end and out of crossbases all day and every day. And when I first started working there when I was 26, I was in and out, I was 175 pounds, like, great shade, going in and out of them crossbases, in and out of Maddox and like nothing. I'm going, ugh, I'm only 33 now, but yeah, I'm going, every time I get out, I'm like, God, I'm mighty. I wake up. I'm aching. I'm like, God dang. And like, here I am, there's, there's people in their fifties right now that's like people like Cam Haines, it runs clear cross mountains and stuff and I'm, I'm aching, and it's because I'm fat. So that, that don't help that I'm, I am very overweight for like, I'm not very overweight. I, I could stay in the lose 30. That don't help. I can, you know, I cut back on a few of them bus latte's and I'll be just happy. I don't want to, but I don't want to. I don't want to. That's my problem. That's, that's like I'm literally just got back into the gym here and it's like, it's hurting. They sit in here right now. Like, yes, like my ass hurts, my, my back hurts, my shoulders hurt, my arms hurt. Everything on my body hurts right now. He'll even one of my teeth hurt. I mean, it's, it's, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, everything hurts. I'm not 18 anymore and that's, so I guess that for you, I assume that you realize that you're not 18 anymore. Yeah. You know, as fast as you used to be, you know, I have a class for the over 30s, don't they? But I was, I was actually joking with somebody a day and was talking, he's like, man, you raced in. I said, yeah, I said, well, I, you know, I made it up to that double ace class and you know, I had to cut it out. And I got the thinking about it's like, man, I tell you what, if I could start back, I can run the vet class now, 30 plus that. Oh, so that's what it is. I knew there was a 30 plus classes. That's a bad, bad, the bad class. Oh, yeah. All that makes me feel. Yeah. And I'm not even old. Yeah, I know. You don't have kids yet. No. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah, the old vet class. Yeah. It shows that it's a young land sport. Yeah. It's a young land sport. I mean, I mean, obviously there's old guys get on them, dirt bikes that you can't catch even at 30 years old right now instead of this day, but yeah, the two were two wheels was never my thing, man. I could, my next door neighbor Dustin Chandler, he was, he was very, very fast on a dirt bike and I, I went to a bunch of races with him, stayed in their camper with them and, and, but I just, two wheels was never my thing. I was not coordinated as a kid very well. I just, I wasn't, I was fat and I didn't, I didn't, I just was not coordinated. And you put me on two wheels. I was wrecking quickly. I was, I was going to be, I was laying down the bike very quickly because I mean, I rode the, they had 50s and, and, uh, I, I would ride quite a bit and, and, and dude, I got good on a 50. So I mean, that was, well, the only reason why I would even want to do that is because whenever I did go to the dirt bike races with them, I wanted to ride around. I didn't want to just stand there with his parents all the time. So they'd let me get on the, on the 50 and I'd just go ride around the parking lot and shit like that. And like, what is this 13 year old kid that weighs 150 pounds, riding on a, yeah. Yeah. Just 12 year old kid or 10 year old kid doing riding around, like racing going on out here. And I just, I didn't, I just, I didn't do it. I would have raced for wheelers is what I'd liked, but, but still then I wasn't skinny enough. I didn't realize like you got to be light to race because you got to be fast. And I was never liked that. Light was not the only light in my category was like the lightly salted Pringles. That's so that was the only light in my vocabulary, you know, or, and just, that's, uh, that was it. So I wrestled that. That's what I did. I was just a sports guy, dude. I could, I just, I couldn't do it, man. Like Trent was fast. And I've had on podcast a few times, he's fast and I hope he shows up. He might show up here a little bit. I hope he does. I seen that. Raspinal Paul. I know. He was, he was texting me right there. Just a second ago and just saying, Hey man, I'm going to try to make it. But I don't know if I will be able to and, but he was fast. Like he was, he didn't care like Mac Dickson. He was super fast because he didn't care. He wasn't scared to anything. And like Lawson, we know he's super fast, but every single dirt bike person that you see tall and skinny, yeah, you fell short on the tall side, but you got the skinny side down. Yeah, I got the skinny side down. You got the skinny side down. So Josh Baldwin, he was fast. He was skinny. I mean, I just, that wasn't for me, man. I couldn't be skinny. That's, that's what I'm going to hold my hat on. I just couldn't be skinny. Just hang it up. The reason why I couldn't ride dirt bikes, you know, no, I know some fat kids that were fast on dirt bike. Oh yeah. Like I said, I, you know, I like hunting more because that's why I kind of did what I did. I still got my bike. Yeah. But it ain't moved in the year and a half, two years. Yeah. So I've been, you know, been focusing myself on, you know, my bow, you know, the hunting seasons, you know, taking one by one. Yeah. You know, after deer season, it's turkey prep and coyote killing. Yeah. I go straight into that right after, right after deer season, I go straight to coyote killing. Yeah. Try to. So you're big on coyote killing. Yeah. I don't, I've never counted that night ever. Never. Huh? Well, I'll have to fix that shit. You had to pop material on that because I've never, I mean, I've killed a shit ton of coyote. I know you have and, and, but I mean, I, I shoot them deer hunting. I've killed quite a few ground all gun. Um, I mean, because the mom's out looking for the pups, you know, and, and, but dude, I'll tell you, if you love fucking coyote hunting, you need to get Kansas. That place is. No, I'm not that eight up with it. I just, I just, it's the filler. Dude, I'm telling you the amount of coyotes. My first trip out to Kansas, I hunted this place, a good friend of mine, let me hunt his private farm and he said, dude, if you see a coyote, shoot it. I said, okay, my first day there, I come back with no arrows. None. None. Like they were all in the dirt. Right. I got them all back. I, I say that as in I shot every single error that I had in my quiver. They were all at coyotes. I killed two of them, only had four errors in the quiver. I killed two of them. I missed the other two because they were like, there was a pack of three come in and I shot one of them. Then I shot on another one and missed it. And then there was another pack of two, there were pups and I missed, I missed one of them because they would never stop. And it was like, I'd shoot at them running, you know, and then, and a solitary one came in. I killed it. I ended up killing like seven or eight coyotes that trip and, and I was like, I just got stopped. I just stopped shooting them. They were everywhere. Every day I'd see a coyote. The deer, did I just, they only care how they see them so much out there that they didn't bother them. It didn't seem like it. Around, I mean, do you have a lot of luck here? Yeah, it varies, you know, you'll find pockets of them. But it don't help that everybody and your mom is doing it now. Yeah. And a lot of people thermal hunting now. Really. There's nobody that hardly does it here. Really? I mean, Ian does it. Ian Kirby, Josh is a little brother. He does it some. I think Josh does it too. He picked it up here recently. Now, like, Aridle County around that general area, there's a lot of people codding on it. A lot of farms. Yeah, a lot of farming. A lot of hags. A lot more ag and dairy. Yeah, you got up here in his mountain coyotes up here. Yeah. It's a little bit hard. I mean, you go into Christmas trees, but there's a guy that lets me hunt his farm. He's like, do not shoot any coyotes on my farm. Christmas trees because they kill the deer and they kill the rabbits that chew on his trees and stuff. I mean, like, he's not harsh about it. Obviously, if I shoot one, I probably won't tell him, but, you know, he's just an old school guy. He's like, that's my, that's my, my deer control. They keep the deer away and you shoot those. You shoot those things. The deer will start showing up, but well, he don't realize it's the deer there anyway. Yeah. You know, and he ain't going to stop. Yeah. And he don't want you killing buyers because the buyers scare the deer and, and, and every other thing. And I'm like, like, I get it. I get it. You've got millions of dollars worth of Christmas trees on this 800 acre farm, you know, and I get it. But dude, I want to kill coyotes. I like to shoot them. I like shooting them down. Like, and hearing them, hearing them squall whenever you shoot them, you know, that's with a boat. Yes. And now since I finished my coyote hunting rig, I got my suppressor in finally. Mm hmm. Dude. That's, that's just a, that's nasty. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I've never shot a gun once this presser on it. Well, I have to fix that. Yeah. So it looks like you're going to fix some things for me after deer season, kind of. Yeah. I'd like to go. I'd like to do it. I just, I just want to try it. Okay. I'll take you up. We'll go to my farms up in, up in the mountains. Okay. I've got all kinds of them that we can go and there's just one farm. You can get on top of this ridge and it's like Colorado. You can see for miles, I mean, you could see Charlotte. So it's like, and it's like 83 miles. You can see the buildings and Charlotte from the top of that mountain. So, so we can get up there in this big Christmas tree and, but he's got a lot of dairy. There are two. So he's like, kill every single one of them that you do. Now I'd have to, you know, talk to him, say, hey, we're going to be up here a coyote hunting knife. But dude, that would be fun because it's full of coyotes. We probably call it a bear too, to be honest with you, because that place is full of bears too. Yeah. Have you ever done that? No. Never been bear hunt. Well, no, I'm saying like called in a bear or anything. No, I've never done that. No. Okay. It was a squall or like people up north and stuff like that around here. People don't know. They just use dogs for bears. But yeah, I said enough. Have you ever had or not? I thought that'd be kind of interesting if you did. No, I never called in a bear. Yeah. Well, let's get off that. Man, how was your deer season last year? Man, it was pretty darn good. I shot three bucks, killed one in North Carolina, killed one in Virginia, and killed my bacon in Ohio last year. He's the biggest deer ever. Okay. Okay. Start from the beginning. I want to hear about all three of them. You want to hear about all of them? Yeah. I want to hear about all three of them. Well, North Carolina, but I had honestly, I didn't have no pitchers at all of any bucks around there. And it's been pretty hard since I live an hour and a half away from them far from down here. Now, Alexander County, it's been pretty rough getting back and forth. But the landowners, they're really, really good. They know what's going on. I told them an hour and a half away. I mean, you may not see me a lot, but they give me free rain over their farm. So I put a trail camera out, just put it out on this field with a mock scrape on it. And I didn't think nothing, that was going to hit it or nothing. It was too early tail. What time of year was this? This was like September, like right before deer season started, yeah, we went dove hunting and I went. I remember that. And we went, we left dove field and I went to go put a trail camera out. Same thing, what you did. Yeah, exactly. That's right. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. So get over there, hang trail camera up and I leave, well, hell, it was almost two or three weeks before I was able to get back down there, a friend of mine only lived five minutes from there. I said, Hey, I tell you what, will you go check out trail camera for me? And I don't care if you see whatever, you can see whatever. I don't care. I'm not shy about, you know, showing my deer off. But I keep it in my inner circle and sure enough, what over there in the camera is pointed at the ground. I said, like wondering, like, he's like, yeah, it was pointing at the ground. I was like, what the hell? Well, I said, check the card when you get home, just to make sure nobody was ever fricking with it, you know, checked it in the day and the light, they didn't have no pictures on it at all. Because it was pointing toward the ground. And the pictures that I did get was a bucks rack up underneath, like it was pointing at the ground. He was looking up at the camera up underneath it. And that's it. And I can just tell, I can just only tell the buck about just the basis that was it. I know it had pretty thick bases on it and it still unveiled it. And that was it. I couldn't tell how big it was. You're like, can you go out on it or something? I think he knocked it down, honestly, because it took pictures of ground the whole time. I think he went up there and started messing with the branch or whatever and knocked the sun gun down. Oh, so you put it on the actual scrape tree, you put on the tree that you made the scrape on? Because it had a big overhang branch on it. Yeah. That's only thing I could do about it. I didn't have no corn with me to put it in front of it to see what I got. So I didn't have nothing to go off of. But the tree stand that I do have there is in a damn good spot. It's about four or five years select cut. So it's, and all that was nothing but an apron flat prior. So all the big apron trees that was on his pieces was gone. And I didn't know how to expect, you know, what to expect on deer movement coming through there during early season, because that spot used to be freaking phenomenal. But on the neighbors, which borders that big, big oaks. So I was like, I might be still in a game, but I didn't know if they would drop because we didn't have a lot of rain that summer. So I get a, I get settled in tree, I don't know, it's probably about three o'clock ish. And hell, I wasn't there long. And the first doe come walking by, I was like, well, heck, that's pretty early up on the feet. And it was just starting to cool down. So I was like, man, they might be moving the night. And she, I don't know what in the world happened, but she, I guess she caught, maybe caught a little bit of my wind because my wind was kind of blowing into the bedding. But just awful where I think the deer or, or he or a buck would be patted. So just an off wind, AKA whiskey wind. So, and I've hunted that stem many a times like that, and it's worked out to my advantage. So at about, I don't know if I about, it was pretty early still. So it was about five o'clock ish probably still playing a lot. I catch feet coming down the trail there, I was like, what, no damn no, she might only get close enough night. I might have to feel, feel the freeze pretty early. Nah, lower his head, I was like, oh shit, that's pretty damn good one there. Yeah. I had no, I didn't know what was around there. And he hung around for a little bit, he Natrons about, no, he's probably 25 yards for 30 minutes. And I just couldn't get a shot. It's too thick to the undergrowth was, you know, pretty high at the time. So as I said, they haven't been patient, I said, well, if he goes left or right at this little bush, I got him, but if he stays right here and walks straight away, I don't have shot at him. So I sit there and wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, and I'm over here just, you know, don't want all the hail at this point, because I had never shot a deer on this farm. I've hunted this farm for five years, I never killed a buck on it. So you know, I'm pretty pumped. And here's your first opportunity to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's early in the season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is my first actual set of the season. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen a deer. Well, I say I hunted twice, but I don't really count things. I didn't say shit. I mean, it was hard as hell. First deer you seen with a with a headgear. Yeah. So sitting there and he gave me an opportunity about 22 yards, and I was like, well, it's kind of an hour and a half because he catches my wind, that's it, because this this flux you waiting and I'll draw back and shoot, settle in there and shoot him, man, and I hear a weird smack. And I was like, man, I hope I didn't miss that thing. And I called you immediately. Yeah. That's like, I don't know because it was all too fast. Yeah. I mean, I took my time squeeze trigger off and, you know, hear that thump. I was like, I just don't know that it didn't sound right. And I called you, he's like, you're like, what are you talking about? He's just go down and looks, your air, I was like, don't really want to get down. I don't want to know if he just bedded up right down the side of this little patch of brush or not. I don't know. He said, just don't get your damn air. I was like, you said, I didn't say it like that. Maybe I did. I don't know. You did. Yeah. I remember this. Maybe, maybe that's just how you remember it. Yeah. So I was like, just hang on for a second. So I got my binoculars and look and I shoot them white feathers. So. Yes. So they stand out. Any little thing on the thing. I was like, he had him, he's like, hey, can you tell? I said, I shoot white feathers and they're red. Yeah. And I remember what I said at that point, he's like, don't get your damn digger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stop worrying about that shit and building more anxiety than what you need. But and then here I am. I did the same freaking thing. Yeah. Oh shit. I don't know. Yeah. I need to call somebody, which I don't, I like to fuck with people when it comes to deer hunting. I know. I'll kind of caught on with that. Yeah. You'll never know if I actually hit it or not. Yeah. So, you know, anticipation is killing me. So I'd get down out of the tree and I get in there and what I heard was when I shot it went complete through the deer and buried into a stump and that's what I heard pop. Yeah. And I called you. I was like, this deer's dead. Yeah. This deer is nut. I said, I'm going to go look for him here in a minute, but he's dead. Yeah. Luckily, where I parked my truck ain't probably a hundred yards of my tree. So I just took everything back and I called with another friend of mine. He like said, he only lives five minutes down the road and I said, I, I need you help. He's like, which is only one reason why he called me this early. I was like, yeah, buddy. Yeah. I was like, bring two beers or how many beers you want to bring. Let's go. We're going to party tonight. Yeah. I think he made it there in two. Yeah. So I could hear him come down the road. When he saw your name pop up, he was already in the truck on his way. Yeah. He was. He's like, how big is that? Hell, I don't know. Yeah, I don't. I don't care. I don't care. I don't know who he is. He's out past his ears. That's all I can tell you. It was kind of, it seemed like it was a long time, but it was pretty damn quick. So, and he gets there finally. That seemed like an eternity, but he likes that it's only two minutes probably. Start tracking this rascal and the, I shoot them single bevel. Well, actually, they're, I just used to say the double bevel, but then Magnus, Stunners. Mm-hmm. She's a template cut on contact. Yeah. I shoot them 125s. Yeah. So. That's a freaking good head, man. Oh, yeah. It's thumping. But the blood wasn't all that great right at, right at first, and I was like, man, it's kind of making me nervous a little bit, um, you know, we sat there and we said, maybe we should back out. I said, I see, he said, no, this deer is dead as the, got bubbles in it all. I mean, it's crazy bubbles in it. So we get down there a little bit peep over this hill and there was an old tree that fell over with a root ball and you can see that one side sticking up out of the root ball. He had, he had ran right into that root ball and died. So all you can see was that one side of his main beam sticking up. Yeah. I was like, damn, what the hell is that white down there? Cause they, they'd like to, he'd just had she had to be able to tell you they were nice and white. Yeah. He ain't started rubbing on shit yet. Yeah. I hit the binoculars on him. I was like, there he is, boy. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't go 60 yards. And just like just so anxious and nervous like did I really, like I know what my era says, but I don't know if it's really telling me the whole story and, and then you just like, yeah, is he really there? Is he really there? Like is that him? I think it's him. Yeah. That was a, uh, it was almost one of Luke Bryan moments. Yeah. Is he down? Is he down? Is he down? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what was he? He wasn't eight, just a plain Jane eight, but he was about 18 and a half, 19 inches wide problem. Yeah. I remember when you sent me the picture of it. I was like, God dang, you didn't tell me. He was like, yeah, like, cause you call me and you were like jacked up, pumped up on his freaking shot him, but I don't know if I hear him and like, and you were going all kinds of crazy. I'm like, Scott, dude, come on, like, like get your shit together. What happened? And he told me like, what's this do for all this is different, like like, I felt like an hour, but it was like 10 minutes. I don't know who. And then he finally stepped out and, but I don't know if I hit him or I don't know where I hit him. I'm like, you shot this year at 20 yards. You don't know where you hit this deer. So I get down to go look at your air, please. And you're like, well, I don't want to get down. I'm like, Scott, if you hit him good, he's already dead. Just go down. I do remember that just because I've just given you shit, you know, about it and yeah, that's good. So, but yeah, I mean, you killed your. I was pumped. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I was pumped up. First year you killed on that farm in five years. Yeah. I don't blame you for being pumped out. I would be too. Yeah. That was a, he was, I think he was probably a three year old deer, but you know, he ain't three years old. And then you know what? He ain't getting older. Did you get him mounted? No, I just go mounted him. I got you. I don't blame you. So, if you know, remember, you know, Alexander County was in that, um, primary. Primary. So I couldn't take it. No, it was secondary. It was, it was a secondary, the, the CWD zone and I've done, we've done a couple of podcasts here lately about the CWD stuff. I'm about burnout on it, but that freaking sucks, dude. But I couldn't take him out of county. Yeah. Unless he was boned out. Yeah. So luckily I got some still guess, uh, friends that does a school mouse here. Yeah. I just just laid me down and said, man, I've boned him out, took you, taken me home, let the head with him. I said, just go man and do what you ought to do. Yeah. I let, um, one of the processor take that, that one wide set point, you said, it looked like your dear that you kill, um, I just took the whole deer to him. I was like, I'm not going to mount it just, just completely processed a deer for me. Yeah. Normally I do my own processing. Right. I couldn't leave the county. I could not leave the county and I was not in a position where I could debone the thing. Right. My knives were at home. Thankfully, the processor was in the same county that I killed the deer in. So I'm like, okay, good. I can just take it right straight to them, but, but yeah, I think they're going to deal. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it'll ever go back, it'll, I think it will always stay like this now. Yeah. That's what, that's what pisses me off about of this because it'll always stay like primary secondary. You know, they may lift the primary part. Like where you can go, because some counties, you can't even take it out of that county. Like you can't take a deer from primary to the secondary county. No. You can take a secondary into the primary, but. By the spurser, you can't do it. Yeah. Yeah. You can't do it. And that's the good thing about Cleveland County is not even anything. I'm not. So like Caldwell County is not either. I mean, so I can shoot a deer here and take it wherever I want to, but uh, so, all right. So that was, that was cool. Now you said you killed your biggest deer this year. I did. My biggest deer. Was it a Midwestern deer? Yes. It was a, was it a from Ohio? Yeah. Frickin' Ohio. Frickin' Ohio. Yeah. I'll give you the armpit. That is the greatest one in the greatest States I've ever been. I will love that state. No, but you know, everybody goes, goes up there expecting to kill the gargantuan. Yes. And it was, you know, they do got them. They do have them. That's no doubt my mind. I've seen them. I've been damn close to them. Mm-hmm. But you know me just as well as I know myself, anything that looks good come to the woods. I just can't hold myself back. Yeah. Yeah. You're telling me. I mean, you're a red blooded dead killer. Yeah. I mean, you just want to kill something. And I can appreciate that. I can appreciate like, I had to shoot you. I assume. Well, that deer that you killed in Ohio two years ago or something like that, you text and he's like, I couldn't help it doing. I had to shoot it. It was like a six-ponder. But it was like, it was that weird, like a bladed big spike. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The big as eight-ponder. Yeah. I had one giant spike with four spikes off of it. Yeah. And one big pretty side. Yeah. There's that. And then the one that I, we'll get into your big buck story here in just a minute. But when you killed that deer and then you seen a giant the next day, trying to shoot a day, you showed me a video of it walking under you. Yes. It was a booner. It was. It was no doubt a booner. 160 plus. That's this. Oh, it was a bigger one. 60. Well, well, everyone. 60. I was low by when I'm a one six. Yeah. And the deer's like, actually. 10 yards. Yeah. 10 yards. And he just shot 120 inch. A hundred. Yeah. It's 120, 125. Yeah. And then he got to touch your dog. Oh my God. This. I mean, getting in line, you don't, you just done the same thing that what a lot of people have done in this world. Yeah. You know. We, it was a fresh farm. We just had picked up and we knew nothing about it. Mm hmm. Didn't even run trail cameras on it. Yeah. And where I killed my one 25 was, you know, I, we just walked in and it had been raining the whole fricking time we was there and it was the only day that it didn't rain. So we don't scout them. And I found a fresh works great, like that morning. Yeah. And I was like, hey, this, and it had a big river birch tree right 20 yards from it. I was getting into that bastard tonight. Yeah. Yeah. This, this is it. Hunter that first night didn't see a damn deer. Yeah. It's like I got standing corn right here. I got this pretty manicured grass right here and thick bedding. Yeah. I mean, I'd actually, I'd have no, I mean, I knew the deer were holding up in that thick bedding. You know, I mean, there was trail, like cattle trails coming out of it. I was like, this is the spot, this spot. The next morning, I hunted it, I hunted this thing three times a road, like even more than an evening. Yeah. And the second, even a hundred, I killed that buck. I was mostly, I was more proud of the shot that I put on a thing. Yeah. It was, I said, the scrape was like 25 yards. So, and there's a road bed where like the two track, when I go in between the fields with tractors, I arranged there, it was like 30. So he come out of the bedding, walked to the scrape, worked it. And I was like, man, he's gonna come straight across that two track and go right in the standing cornfield. He come across two track, but he started angling up the hill. I was like, well, hell I already had my sight cell 30, and I didn't think nothing about it. I draw back and I was like, Oh, shit. I was like, there's a lot farther than 30 yards. I said, well, hell I'm just gonna go with it. So I stopped him and I put the pen just top of his back. I was like, he probably 40 45 yards, squeeze it off here, don't he hookers up and does a circle, circle down like 15 yards, I was like, Holy shit, he did that every time. He's dead. Like you see the cornstops down falling and I was like, Oh shit, I'm done. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah, absolutely. I was like, shit. That's the biggest thing. So, you know, that one was, that was my first book in Ohio. So my, a girl who spoke from a young deer comes by, he never killed out a state deer like that. For sure. Shooting that deer. Yeah, for sure. Lived it right off my shoulders. I was happy as a kid at Christmas and the next day I hunted that stand I was going to move it because it's like, say I had three other guys in camp at and been anywhere close to a buck. I was like, I'm on, I'm on a hunt, I'm going to scout for y'all. So nine o'clock jumped down, I started easing around the farm, I seen a, on one side of the guy, pretty near calls the profit boundary and I was like, I still got enough room. Yeah, if we shoot one here, it can die before it makes it to the next property. Right. Yeah. As long as you make a good shot. Right. So you're 100, 100, 125 yards away. Yeah. Gotcha. So I was like, I was like, this right here has to be the spot. I mean, it was, like I said, I found another cattle path pretty much coming out of thick bedding, laying right into that stand in corn and it, and it wide right underneath this big hatred tree. I was like, that's the damn tree right there. So hung stand up, got out of there. Well, I told one guy, where is that? He's like, I don't know where I sat. I said, I'll show you more than Matt. I said, this is exactly the tree it's in. I don't know how to get there. I said, fuck. So I asked, I said, you want, I asked another guy, I said, you want to hunt this tree? I said, man, it's the spot. I said, I'm telling you, I've got a good feeling about this tree. I don't know where it's at. I said, right here it is. They won't go to it. It's too far in a while. And it really wasn't that much farther from where I killed my book. You just right over the hill. Yeah. So I was like, put the head, I'm going to go hunt it. So if I see anything, you know, I'll let you know. So yeah, probably when they were 15 minutes, man, I, the sun was at my back. So it was, I don't know what time it was. It was, it was getting later on in the evening. It's just getting kind of like, it's just enough light where you can see really good. And I looked behind me and I seen, like, just the back, stand up. I was like, what the, it's a damn hole for deer. So I went around the tree, hit the binoculars. And that's all right, dude. Nothing but fricking bone. I was like, whole shit. Wish that you could party hunting that high. Oh shit. I was like, don't come down here. Don't please come down here. No, no, don't come down here. They can miss it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what he does, he comes right down the path down that down path. He's right below the tree and. He had times everywhere. He had double split brows. He's probably 20, 22 inches wide. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that. Yeah. We'll see. I'm going to ask you this. Do you think if you would have killed that deer before that you would have had opportunity at that deer? Because would you have made that move? Well, I think I probably would have made the move. But like I said, going off just sign, there was more sign where I was hunting that before. There was only just trails coming. I just cut a set of tracks. That's all I did. Yeah. And that's where I hung the tree and seen the big deer. Yeah. But there was more sign on the other side of the farm. Yeah. And that's why I wanted to hunt that. I mean, the woods was about, well, as I say, unhunnable, but it ain't, it wasn't, but it was so dang thick in there, you couldn't get, say, 10 or 15 yards. Yeah. But that's where the big boys are at. Yeah. And it was just, like I said, it was just a matter of time. But who knows if I would have waited, you know, if that buck would have walked by the other place, you know, and I would have been, you know, he could have showed up over there. I could have killed him there too. The big one. The big one. Yeah. So, you know, it's hindsight is 20, 20, but, you know, I mean, yeah, don't take away from the deer that you killed. I am taking nothing away from that deer. I was tickled death with it, and that was, like I said, it's my first Ohio buck. And I had a few years that was dry after that. I didn't even come close to seeing a buck much. I mean, those big bucks run around the farmers, we hunt. But all I seen was, you know, 80 and below, I couldn't, I couldn't get away from them. Yeah. Every time I'd move somewhere, I was like, it's fresh spot. I'm going over here and sit. Here they come. I'm two-year-olds and spikes and four pours, eight little small basket rack eights. I watched the same eight all week, and I moved way across the farm every time we come by. Yeah, one last time. He was a fighter. By the time I was the end of the week, he was a spy. He was a spy. I was like, dude, you need to go somewhere else. That deer out there was a fighter who broke this. The big heavy Ohio deer, I mean, he was a fighter. He got in a fight with our boomer and rolled him across the field. Petey watched it happen. They got in the fight. It was the first night that we were there hunting. And he watched that deer fight our boomer and just run him off. And Petey's like, they're like 90 yards, like, it's probably didn't fling an arable. It's worse from North Carolina, so we all have a flinger band, you know? You know, that deer right there was a bully. He's bigger bodied than our boomer. He was bigger. He was just a bigger deer. And I remember when I shot him, the farmer come over and it's like, that's one of the biggest body deer I've ever seen in my life. He's a titan. He lives in Ohio. I mean, it's 280 plus, 280 plus pound deer, I mean, just a brute. That's right. I caught him, Brutus. And he was like, God, I'm mighty. He would fight. If you had a set of rattle and horns in your hand, you were going to see that deer. They don't care where he was. He was coming. And I remember the last day, it was the last day, I don't know if you remember that blizzard snapchat I sent you, I was walking into it. It was 16 degrees wind blowing 30 miles an hour. It was just miserable and I was in the tree and I just seen the black hawks walking through and I was like, I don't, I was like, what's no doubt a buck. And I was like, well, that's Brutus and we'd let him go three or four times that trip. And because we're hunting the boner, obviously. And I was like, hell with that, I had a set of rattle and horns. He was 150 yards. I hit the horns and by the time I got the horns back on the hook, I mean, this was 10 seconds hit the horns. He had popped out into the field and he was 69 yards like it was, 68 yards. And I just like drew back, I was like, well, now or never. And I shot and drilled him. If I'd have waited, he was going to keep on coming to me. Like I said, I'm a redneck and I got pin for it. I put my 60 yard pin. I just barely cleared his back and, uh, and I shot and that area just full, just drilled him. And, uh, I don't know if I might not go to shot if you've got closer, right. Sometimes I'm like better shots past 50 yards than I will at 30. Yeah. Cause I don't, I mean, there was just enough wind cause they'd calm down. I mean, it was 20 minutes for dark, 30 minutes for dark calm down to the point. Now we're probably a five to 10. And so I could get away with a little bit more movement cause there's no leaves in the trees. I'm in a small tree and on the side of the field, you know, it was, it was miserable. Yeah. That was a miserable hunt. It was horrible and P.D. killed one early and he had to go home because the dad was sick and, um, was, you know, he had to go home and take care of his dad. And yeah, that was a, that was a year he killed a big wide 10 and everything. But, uh, I want to hear, I want to hear the story of your, the deer that you brought here to show me today. I want to hear that in your biggest book ever. And it was last year. Yeah. It was last year. Well, I mean, it was, I'll tell you what, that I usually go up on how first week in November, I mean, as everybody's go to, well, with the work schedule and trying to schedule my days off and get more from my time, I had to schedule it later on. So I had the second, like full second week in November, and I think my first day was like the 12th and I was only able to go for a week. Yeah. But while I was up here, I got a, um, got a call from my manager saying we were going to shut down for Thanksgiving. So I had another week. Oh. So, but. That's it. That was like the best call you've ever received in your life. Oh, here we go. I was, I was, I was like, okay, cool a week. And I'm getting paid for it. So. Oh, they paid you for it. Tell you. Well, I got the only paid for Thanksgiving, but oh, so I get, I was getting paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get paid to go, go hunt. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. That's a good thing about working on nine to five. You can get paid to work. I paid a hunt. Oh, yeah. So. The way that it ended up being is like everything was steel, like all the crops were standing steel. God, my farmer didn't cut mine till January, the day with open-and-day muzzle order is when he cut our, our, no, the day before open-day muzzle order is when he cut the corn, late muzzle order. That's crazy. Right. Those Canadian wildfires. Yeah. That's what they say. They didn't germinate or whatever. Yeah. So, you know, we struggle with that. And see, the other two guys that I'll go with, they are attacked out in October. Johnny killed a mega. Last two years. Last two years. That's a mega. Yeah. Yeah. We should rock Johnny on. I know. That'd be freaking sweet. I should have caught his ass. Yeah. Yeah. He's, you know, he's probably already in bed by now, but he's old man. He's old man. He's old man. I love him the death though. Yeah. So I was the only one hunting and well, Johnny and them were hunting those. Yeah. So I was, I said, I knew all those rat hanging around or in the past. So I told him, I said, you got to sit there. Hell, he should take you long, kill a dog. I'm ready to get bloody. They started seeing bucks. Didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think one, one of the guys is actually his son-in-law, seen a 140 of Johnny's seen a few bucks and I'm sitting over here in one of the best spots on the farm and not seeing shit. Yeah. I'm like, they're only 400 yards away. I'm like, I think they're at. So I started putting a lot of pressure on myself. I was like, man, I said, I'm gonna just start bouncing around these farms too. I find them where they're at and I'm gonna just stick it out, just stick it in there. So man, it was a dry, it was a, you know, that's part of the hardest I've ever hunted in my life. Yeah. Because, like I said, you can only do so much with staining corn. And I had 300 acres of it all around me. The only field that was cut was just on the neighbors. Ours was still standing. The field that we, it's not on our property, but the farmer that farms Ours farms it too. And it was all still standing. You know, we kept in contact with a neighbor. He was having trouble not seeing deer. I said, well, we know what the problem is. Party's in the corn and we ain't invited. So that's just my rule of thumb. I'm asked the truth. Yeah. So I laid a part of the rut and all your nose going in hiding by now. Yeah. So where are they at? They're gonna be in the corn. Yeah. So I just, like I said, just stuck it out and I was like, and I kept telling, kept telling Johnny. I was like, man, this, the spot I've hunted the most is probably gonna be the spot where I'm gonna kill one. It's just, just the way it happens. It's just the only funnel on the farm that's defined. I was like, they have to come by this tree. I mean, it's just no doubt. It funnels them down often off the neighbor property right past the tree. I mean, it's, I mean, we're, I think 80 to 100 yards off the neighbors. Of course, like I said, it's a, it's a creek bottom that runs right down through there and it all pinches down in our corner. I was like, man, this is where it's gonna happen. And so I like to, I tough it out all week and we was actually planning on leaving on Saturday. But think it was Thursday night, they were calling on rain Friday, I mean, Thursday and Friday, Thursday night, Friday morning, and all day Friday. It was supposed to drop like, I don't know, I think it's like 15 degrees and be down in the freezing on Saturday morning. And I was like, man, it's just, I was like, this is, I got to hunt Saturday. Just give me one more day. That's what I was saying. Just, well, I said, we'll go hunt Friday, you know, wherever, well, I was in the ground by cause it was raining and so, you know, we done what we want to do. And I was like, man, and it was opening day of gun season for the youth on Saturday. And I had been orange, but I know for a fact that neighbor don't have no kids or nothing, nobody else to gun hunt. So I didn't have to worry about them. The only person I had to worry about was on the, have you ever heard of them, Brushy Fork Outfitters? They bought a land joining ours back in the back corner of it. They joined ours. A good group of guys, we dealt with them a couple of times. They have great group guys. So this is a crazy story. Pretty sure, but damn crazy. I don't know. You're so softly long. You're long-winded. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, this is what I like. I get so many people that like tell me like a five minute story or not even that. It's a one minute story and I'm like, I can't ever get you a podcast. Like I can't get you on a podcast because you won't even tell me on the phone the actual story of what really happened. So what makes you think I'm going to get you on a podcast? No, I love it. I love it. What did I tell you? I made it. This is deer camp. Tell me they'll all the lies. That's what I want to hear. Now go ahead, by the way, me and Scott, we give each other shit all the time. So I don't think I'm being a dick to it. All the time. I am being a dick to him. I am being, but it's on purpose because we're buddies. Yeah. Get down in there. The way we usually access this was pretty self explanatory. We usually wait till it starts barely cracking light because there's so many deer around there. You can't go in there without busting deer and usually just barely start to get cracking light so you can see without a light. Get down in there, it's very easy walking and across the creek, get up in the stand, nice and quiet, and I'm just sitting there and just like, man, it's got to happen today. Today is the day it's going to happen. I just got that feeling and it probably, shoot, it wasn't. I just got comfortable really, probably 10 or 15 minutes, been in tree. I just had it like I got comfortable just pulling my bow up and I kept hearing leaves crunching. I couldn't knock, and it was dark enough where you couldn't tell where it was at, but you can hear it. Sitting there and looking, I was like, I can picture where it's at, and I was like, well, where the hell is it at? In the corner, the field, there's two fields that come together right here, and the field line makes kind of like a horseshoe, horseshoe right there, and there's a big stump directly in the corner. I was sitting there, I was like, it's a damn stump, I pull it up, it's up and it's a stump. By now, it's legal time, so we're good if it is a deer. I was sitting there, I was like, damn, that stump moved, I was just playing tricks, and I was like, pull it back up, and about the time I pulled it up, he raised his head up behind that stump, and I was like, holy shit, that's a shooter, and obviously he was one side, and I was sitting that side with the big eye guard coming out, I was like, I had a picture of that deer yesterday, he was there after I left, and I was like, I don't know where he's going to go. He's 40 yards, I can kill him right there, but it's just dark enough where it's not feasible for me to shoot it. I'm like, man, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, come on, give me five more minutes. Give me five more minutes. Come on now, hurry up. Well, he disappeared, I don't know where, but he was just feeding around in there, and I can hear him walking, and I was like, man, is he getting closer or is he? Just a minor, technical difficulty, the memory card filled up, so had to do a quick switch on the audio board here of the memory card, but so you said that you couldn't quite tell what it was, you thought it was a stump, couldn't quite tell what it was, and could tell if it was like... I'll say it was frozen, like very crunchy out, and like I said, I could tell it was getting louder, I didn't know if he was going away from me because he was so dang close, and I looked, and I kind of visualized where he was at, and I was saying I seen that big side coming out from one behind in Popper's, and I was like, oh hell, he's like right here. The time is drawing near, so I got stood up and everything, and drew back, and kind of picked my shot where I'm going to stop him at, and he walked right into this one opening that I have, I cleared it out a couple years ago, just hadn't messed with it, he stopped just, bra size could be, man, and like when I drove back and I settled in on him and it, the pin was very, it wouldn't, like I said, damn, damn, and all of a sudden it's like, like I had a dang pin light on it, just lit up. It's like the Lord said, let there be light, yeah. Better fly, buddy, so I squeezed it off, and like I said, it was just dark enough where you couldn't see impact, and I shot in here just that, that diaphragm just deflate, and I was like, I smoked that song gun, but you know, you always think the worst that I actually missed that deer, because it's like I said, you can't see impact, and I want you to light a knock switch, I'm changing that up, so he runs off to my right, and he don't go very far. He maybe goes 30 yards, and he takes out like a, you know, like dang lit firework man just gone, and he's like, I can't see because there's a row of the poppers that are directly in line sight where he ran to, and he stops behind the last one, and I can't see him, and everything goes quiet. Like, did this song gun just like straight up, ghost me and just disappear, like where did he go, did he just take off or haul ass and just ran out of ear shop, yeah, I don't know. Well, that's probably about 10 or 15 seconds, and I heard, then another stomp, and all hell broke loose, and he just, he fell right there, he didn't go 30 yards. So the deer let you get down? No, no, I was doing a tree. Oh, you're still in a tree. I'm still in a tree. I'm just in there listening. So from the time that you shot to tell you heard this, how long was that? 30 seconds. Oh, okay. So he was, he was dead. He was standing there, didn't know, I guess he didn't know what hitting is it throwing so fast and, you know, he might have been in that state of mind where some deer, you know, went in that breaking light, they're kind of in that funk, they don't really know. Yeah. He didn't know what he's, he didn't know he was already dead. Yeah. And I didn't see him fall, but I could hear him. He's over rolling around and breaking all kinds of shit, and I was like, and all emotions from the whole week was dropped right there. Fucking balled your eyes out there. All my eyes are like a baby. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know if I told you this or not, but the week leading up to me leaving my grandpa passed away. So and the last time I saw him before he passed away was, you know, I was at my mom's house. He's been staying with mom time and he told me ago, he said, I can't wait to hear your story and come back from me hunting trip. So I didn't get telling, but he was there. Yeah. And grandpa, I could see that. And the son, I said, it was so clear that his son was beaming down. Everything just grandpa was smiling down on me on that day. And it hit me pretty hard. And I said, I called Johnny, he was still in the bed in the, in the deer camp. So I called him here and asked him to phone. I called him again. And three times for his old ass woke up. I want a dick hand. No, there are nothing that pisses me off worse than me killing a giant and you don't even have all that. I don't care if it's five o'clock in the morning. Well, I give it to a better answer than a damn phone. I know I ain't supposed to phone any time, but yeah, but I had to give him, I had to give him a little bit of, you know, leeway because he was taking PP, he was PP and what I called it. Carrier home. Yeah. So. I'm so addicted to my phone that I can't walk to the bathroom without watching TikTok while I'm pissing. Is that not bad? That's pretty bad. I mean, it ain't that bad, but there has been times that I have been known to just be in the middle of a TikTok video and just walk up and just keep walking back here and just, or like if I'm standing there pissing my phones in my hand, I just opened up my little piss and, you know, that's, that's pretty bad, but I get it. I get it. I finally get a hold of him, he's like, what was, what's wrong? Everything. Okay. I was like, they, I just killed my freaking biggest deer in my life. He's like, well, okay, uh, hell, you just got in the tree. I ain't been there 15 minutes. Yeah. 20 minutes pause. Yeah. And, uh, he said, hell, you just left the bed still warm where you got up. Well, they do climb in it and feel like I guess he did. He's sorry, Johnny. So I, uh, I was like, I'll, I'll be back to the house in a few minutes. It's not very far walk from the house. That's the closest stand to the house, but the best stand in my opinion is the easiest access to get to it. Um, so I said, I'm just going to sit here. I'll be up there in 20, 30 minutes. And I was going to just let this soak in, I ain't letting this go away anytime soon. Yeah. I said, all I can, all I can tell you to do is I have two cold course lights open. Yeah. I'm on chug one and I'm on sip one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got a calm down. Yeah. And I said, well, at seven o'clock or six, seven, or no, six, 30 in the morning. But, well, I'll say I set in a tree for a while. I didn't, by this point, I didn't look at the deer. I only know what he is. Yeah. You just knew that you had a picture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I said to him, let it soak in and I calmed down and I called another buddy of mine. He was actually, I just got to work with. I called him. He was on the way to work. I said, dude, you ain't going to freaking believe this. So he's like, he's like, what? I was like, I just killed a freaking toad. I said, I don't know what he is. I couldn't tell you. I only, I can't even put a number on it. I don't know how it might just be a big gigantic spike. That's all I can tell you. I'm like, I'm going home with meat in the truck. That's right. So I didn't, I said, I never even looked at the deer. He didn't go look at it. He didn't go over there and look at him. I said, I won't join to be a part of it. So I went back to the house, I started throwing shit everywhere off. I'm like, all camo off. Of course, I don't, that's another story. I don't hunt camo, but you don't hunt in camo? Nah. Final shirts and solid colored pants, brother. Okay. Okay. I'll hear you. All right. Well, anyways, well, that's another story. We'll get, we'll get into the region for that. Yeah. So I, I get back to the house and he's, he's already got the four-wheeler warming up. He's already jacked up. He already, he's already have a cold course light in his hand. I was like, I hear you. I said, where's mine? He's like right here. Yeah. Two of them? He's like, well, yeah, you said the chug one I want to see up. Exactly. He's a good friend. And he knew exactly what I wanted. Yeah. So you get down there and I was like, I said, he's like, well, how big are you? I was like, I don't know. I'm getting paid. And we started walking over and he's videoing behind me. And we started walking over, yeah, I looked there and I was like, he's, you can see him down there. Yeah. I made a big ass deer laying there, big body dry school and you see that main beam sticking up. And I was like, he's laying right there. He's like, holy crap. Is that, you kill somebody's cow? Yeah. I was like, I may be, I don't know. He's a bull. Gallicorn. Yeah. So I started walking, he's videoing behind me and I want to see my, you know, reaction to this. And all I can do is look back and I said, holy shit. Yeah. I was like, well, I'm not putting this on Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. So we'll get down there and sure enough, man, look, pull his head up. And that big, that big eye guards coming out, that second main beam's coming out. I was like, we know exactly what this was. Yeah. And he's like, you killed, you killed a legend on this farm here and this one's been running under a wall. Yeah. So, you know, I, I said, I had no idea, no expectation on how big it was when he probably, I would say he probably weighed 250 to 265s, he was a tank. Yeah. He was a tank. The horn, the, the body was so big, it didn't make his look, it made his rack look small. Yeah. So that happened to me in my eyelid ear because his body was so big, I didn't think he was really that big and when he walked off and I snorted, we used him and he walked under me and I was like, here's a lot bigger than I thought. This deer might be 160, you know, or this deer is 160 or better and I shoot him and, you know, all the stickers and stuff, put him at bone status. But I was like, that happens, dude, that is a real thing. Thankfully, we don't have that problem here in North Carolina, because you can shoot a five and a half year old deer, it weighs 145, 150 pounds. Now the problem is then you don't shoot a deer that you think is a giant, it's 110 inches because the body's so little like, this deer weighed 132 pounds. That six-pointer after 132 pounds, that had gone. Tiny. That's why he looked so big, that seven-pointer, the one he said looked just like your deer, that deer was 140, 145 pounds, dragged him uphill one-handed by himself. The, there's a deer, that bottom left deer hanging over on the wall, that was killed in the same spot. It's like a seven-pointer heaven, that's a seven-pointer, that's technically a seven-pointer, the seven-pointer, seven-pointer, seven-pointer. Yeah. That killed that little deer in the same spot, seven-pointer, you can tell they all had the same genetics. Right. Good, brow tines, real wide, short time, the rest of them. Right. But that, the smallest one I killed there weighed 190, 185, 190 pounds. Damn. And the rest of them, that was 125 pounds, that's 135, 140. That was 200, a close to 200 pounds, and he's a small set of horns, you know? But I thought that there was, that was old deer, that was a very, very old deer. Yeah. And this was two, and the seven-pointer, he wasn't two, all these five, I think. So he wasn't anxious, that there was four, I wish I'd never shot that. It's odd. Yeah, I know. I'm getting older. No, I mean, and he was full of elbows, he's pretty cool. I wish I'd have mounted, I wish I'd have, that was my first slight full of elbow that deer was a rack, I killed a bunch of spikes in three-pointers, you know, growing up, you know? I mean, when I was the, back when I was a real killer, and every buck tag that I had, it was filled. I'll go, like, I'll go a season without filling buck tags now, you know? I don't really care. I'll eat tags now. But back then, if there was no tags safe, I was punching them, punching them right in the mouth. That's all right. But, but yeah, dude, that's, that's freaking awesome. So what, like, how big was he? Well, I never got him actually scored, it didn't. At that point, I didn't want to, I didn't really care about score. You didn't want to take away from the deer. I didn't, I didn't want, I didn't care about score that time. Yeah. But being who my friends are, they're like, what score was, I was like, yeah, what the hell? Okay. Okay. I'll rough him. I roughed him in like, right at one thirty. Yeah. Like, he was sniffing it. So he's a hundred and thirty inch deer. Yeah. Yeah. All day, especially with that big long iron. Yeah. Well, that's freaking awesome, dude. I wish, you know, the, the brows, I mean, he's short-timed, but he had long name beams. And, but if he had the brows and the times, he's, he's at one forty. Yeah. He's. Yeah. All he needed an inch per time. Yeah. Pretty much. And that's, that's what's crazy. So, I mean, if we talk about like scoring deer, which I don't, I hate scoring deer too, because I think you take away from a deer. Yeah. Honestly, there are very few times that it will, it will surprise you what a deer scores. But my Kansas deer, my Iowa deer, the only two deer I've ever scored that I thought were smaller than what they actually scored. Right. And like, it's crazy to what, if it was in another, just say a half inch per measurement, and a half inch is nothing but per measurement. And what do you get? You get four mass measurements. It's say just a eight pointer, you get four mass measurements, you get eight length measurements, and you get width. Right. That's all you get. And that's all you get. So you get, if it's an eight pointer, you get thirteen measurements. But you add a half inch to each one of those measurements. You're really not even, you're not going to see that on the deer. No. You're not going to see it. No. But that's a six and a half inch difference, which could mean 130 to a close to 137 inches or it could mean a 120 to a poking young. And that's what I hate about scoring is because it just doesn't, it does not do deer justice. Yeah. You go down to Dixie Deer Classic every year, and that's what, because they always post like the final score. Yeah. Like the net. Yeah. And you see this one little deer that's nets 130, and then you see this deer with 40 points and he nets 125. And I'm like, I don't make any freaking sense, but like, that's why I'm saying nets are for fishing. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. That's what I hate about scoring. You know, we, whenever officially scored my big deer, and I never will have it officially scored. I could have at the Iowa Deer Classic this year, but I just didn't. But me and me and two other buddies, the guys I was staying with, and we like pulled that rope to height. We measured it very, very, very, very, very tight. I took it, it didn't count a couple of things. Like was I was like, do not give us deer anything, we got 170 even. Now I get it back home two weeks later, and my dad, my dad is really good at measuring deer. And him and another buddy of mine, they got down and they really measured it. And they're like, this isn't 15, six inches is actually an inch look here, because I think like in bone and crockett scoring, it's 31, 30 seconds and bigger counts as an inch. I think that's what it is. If it's, I can't remember exactly how they, how they worded or whatever. But my dad got like 172 and some change. And so I just say he was between 170 and 175, 172, whatever, and just like so. But like I said, that it was 157 inch main frame deer with a bunch of extra junk, you know, and then your deer is a main frame, 120 inch deer with a 10 inch kicker. Yeah. But that deer is a, I mean, he's 20 inches or 18 inches wide, 90, 20, 21, right at 21 inches wide. So that like, like I said, that deer is a big buck. He's a giant. He's a big deer, especially for us red next, you know, putting up, putting a tape on that deer. Didn't do that. Your justice. No, I didn't, I said I, I didn't want to take nothing away from him. Yeah. But I didn't, I don't say I didn't really care. Like I knew, I knew when I went up to him, I said, this is the biggest deer I've ever killed. Well, I'll hand it down. Yeah. So, I mean, I've had chances like, I don't know if I told you like the year prior, I had once a easy 170 inch at 45 yards, but he never gave me a shot. Yeah. Yeah. And I stopped him as you're gonna squeeze it off and he took a step behind a big oak. And then when he, when he come out from behind it, he won't straight away from me. Damn. First sitting in a new stand, God, hanging bang is right there. And yeah, damn that, I mean that, yeah, he's snuck in behind, I had a, I don't know, it's about 120, 125, it'd come up to my left, my right and he started posturing up. I never, that didn't know what was behind me at the time. And like I said, he, and I said he popped over and they asked you that small buck on him off. And like I said, after that, you know, he went off and I never had a shot at him, but I said, I ain't taking nothing away from my deer. That thing, he's going well, he's going to be proud, proudly showing off. I can't wait to see him. I mean, you just like showed up and I was like, all right, come in the house. I honestly forgot that you brought him. Oh, I had him in the front seat. I got, so I got the seat going on. When I stopped at Bojangles, yeah, lady gave him my food, just like, man, that deer's pretty. I was a little black lady and she was, she was caught, she was better than that. She was so sweet. No, she's like, she was like, man, that thing's really pretty. I don't know how much you have to pay a lot to do all that. And I was like, yeah, I want too bad. You just got to know some people. Yeah. And she's like, that's, that's a really pretty amount. Did you do it yourself? I said, nah, I didn't do that myself. I couldn't do that good. Yeah. I just just got mad. I didn't know better. They ain't know better failing in this world than being a country white man, just getting called baby by an old black woman. And they just sitting there. How you doing, baby? How you doing, honey? Just that there's no better failing than that. I'm telling you, the only better feeling that you really get is when you shoot a giant buck and it falls. Yeah. That's right. And then an old black woman call me, because I mean, we have some country, I have some country black folk around here and they call me baby and I'm just like, oh, yeah. Thank you. Like, like you're making me blush and stop, you're giving me goosebumps, you're making me blush. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that ain't nothing no better. Like the waitresses that call you honey and sweetheart. Yeah. I mean, that's freaking cool. Well, Scottie, what's, what's next? So, you know, the Virginia buck, you know, I left Ohio and this is all in the same, same that I left Ohio come home for a couple of days. And like I said, I had that week Thanksgiving off and this so happens, my dad had it off too. So I was like, it's gun season. I'm gonna go hunt and go with that. Mm hmm. Just getting the orange. Let's go, let's go fling some lead. Mm hmm. I'm good. I can't wait to boom stick. So, you know, honestly, I don't love it. Like, you know, I go up there, you know, hunt with dad, that's the only thing dad hunts. Yeah. And it was cool, you know, he, he, he'd been wanting to build a box stand for a long time and finally be able to, and put it out there about how to October the first. Yeah. And he was so tickled with it, he spent a lot of time on everything. He kept having this really nice deer for the area, show up. And I said, Dad, you can go out there and kill out there when it comes to the muzzle loader. You can go kill him. And I never forget that I was on the way to work. It was like second or third day of muzzle loader season and he had, it was that week of that weekend he had off and it called me, I was like, Dad, you called me all for early on a weekend. You know, you don't get out of bed. And he said, I just smoked that big deer with the muzzle loader. I was like, no shit. He's like, yeah, I don't know if he's dead. No, I said, just go down here and look. I said, yeah, he probably didn't go very far and probably wasn't 10 more minutes. He was, he got, he got down wild on the phone with him. He said, every blood everywhere. And I said, well, help just follow it, call me, just keep me on the phone until you find him. And he, he ran about 10 or 15 yards and died or I just outside because, you know, muzzle loader smokes him out. You couldn't see. So, and that was dad's biggest deer. He's 115, 120 is deer is big deer here to kill. Yeah. I mean, you get, when you get to Orange Army time and you shoot there outside. And the mountains and the mountains between North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, you're doing just fine. Yeah. And I killed at the, at the time before I killed this one on Ohio, I killed my biggest deer up there during rifle season. About 60 yards from where that one died. He was 115, 120 is deer, really nice deer. I got, I got him mounted for sure. So fast forward, I go up there for gun season and I get up there, still have plenty of light left. I go hunt, see a bunch of those and dad's hunting his box, didn't see anything. And next morning, supposed to be common Chris, I said, I'm deer, I'll be moving pretty good. And I get out there in the box and I'm, as I'm climbing up there, I open the window and there's already deer coming off the hill, crossing and going into dad's cow pasture. I ain't got, I ain't got any yet. Like the door is still open. I just reached to put my gun in there, 350 legend. So I set it up in the corner, 80 special. Oh yeah. I said in the corner, did you're still standing there? And he's the door closed, sitting down, and I just started looking, those, I think there was like eight or nine days come off the hill right beside me about 60 yards. They just bouncing right across the fence, going through the cow pasture, going into dad's a little bed and area. Well, I, I call it the bed and area. It's just, just a patch of woods and metal dad's field. That's where they go. That's where they like to be. You're saying do you own this? Yeah. Owns this. Twenty acres. Perfect. And it's mostly all cattle pasture. Yeah. It's a little bit of woods. And the neighbor, this is the funniest part where they bed at on the neighbor, which the dad works with him. The, the guy that used to own it had a bunch of junk right behind where the box stand is. There was an old school bus there and deer liked to bed underneath that school bus. Under it. Under it. There's beds underneath it because it's, I mean, who, why wouldn't they, if all the rain, there's no leaves there just, just dirt. They like to lay underneath it. And that's where they were coming from. And I'm sitting there and just kind of watching them and I, and there's another field up top of the hill that I can just see this one side of it. I can't see on the other side of it. And I catch a deer run across top. That's like, what the heck was that dose? I grab a novice look and I see rat coming up behind him. I was like, oh shit, there's a buck but he's way out of range. He's like right at 200 yards away. That's not way out of range for 350. But there's a lot of stuff in the way. Okay. There's a lot of brush in the way. I'm sitting there trying to find a shot. Oh, okay. I got a marker on my scope for 200 yards. No said mag, but you'd have dropped him. I had the 300 in the truck. Wow. I'll help you when you hunt and if you send the truck. Well, where I was hunting that is perfect range for 350. Yeah. And I mean, if you can shoot that thing and then don't kick a shit out of you and by all means. Yeah. So I'll sit there. I was like, well, I didn't really get a good look at him, but I could tell big body grad school, but I couldn't tell a rat. So what do you rednecks do? Stuck my head out the window. Snorly's daddy. That's it. I said, what the heck? Let's just see if he even works. I got a gun. Yeah. Let's see if he comes in. Well, I couldn't say. Like I said, he was chasing that deer around the field. Then I called him by himself, all I could see was his ass. Yeah. So I snored wheezed him. Dude, hair stood up on the back of his neck and he started marching, but he disappeared. I don't know where he went. He was trying to get down when? Yeah. Well, there's no way he could without going all the way around and coming into this side. Okay. So and sitting there and a couple more of those popped out and I didn't know this at the time, but at the end of this road bed that I could shoot down, it was a scrape down. I didn't even see it. I never seen it. And about that time, that does looked up the hill and I just kind of look and bla bla bla. Here he comes and stand there in the middle of road bed, starts working that scrape. Yeah. I was like, who craps that pretty nice deer right there. I don't know which one that is. So I get the gun on him and I say, man, I ain't been here. And again, I ain't been there 15, 20 minutes. It's barely legal light. And I don't know, first of all, I really don't want to shoot this deer. I won't be done yet. Man, you get two buck tags, but I was like, I ain't been here long ago. Yeah. It could be a bigger one coming that I'd like to say, I didn't know which deer that was that was coming to the snorin' weeds. I started looking at it. Did you just say snorin' weeds? Yes, snorin' weeds. There you dug. Yeah. Or Joe Potter would say, snot weeds. Snot weeds. No, snot weeds. I know that they had that runnin' joke on there. It was snorin' weeds. And you just said it. I was like, so you're the only the second person I've ever heard say it. Well, snorin' weeds. Snorin' weeds. Snorin' weeds. Snot weeds. So. Why could they blow snot everywhere? That's why I said it. Yeah. So I had the gun over the whole time, I was like, and he starts to walk off. I was like, hey, no way in hell I'm letting dang mature buck walk out out of my life. I pulled the hammer back and let her eat. Yeah. And he just kind of run up the hill and just stood there. I was like, what the heck? I know I hit him good. Yeah, he just stands there, but he's standing in a spot where I cannot get another shot on him. Yeah. And I was sitting there watching through the scope. I put another shell in it and sitting there watching him and all of a sudden he seemed doing a prayer, doing the old rock about a prayer and I was like, oh, he's done. Then bloop. And the funny, the cool thing was about that hunt. Dad killed his at 7.03. I killed mine at 7.05 and they died in the same spot. No kidding. No shit. No kidding. They died in the same exact spot. It's a big one. Yeah. He's 120. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely is good. Hell of a way to end your season. And like I said, that was my third buck of the year and I couldn't end it, you know, gun season like that on a better note. It was fun. It was fun, short gun season for me because I had to go home that the next couple of days. Yeah. And after that, it was really high winds. I was like, I was like, I was going to try to kill a doe or something because I have permission on the property across the road from my dad. It's a hundred acres and they're just freaking prime. But there was no, I never seen nothing really over there. And that's what was mind-boggling. That place is usually loaded with deer. Yeah. And because of the wind issue, they were staying down and the ditches and the haulers and stuff. And that happens in these mountains a lot. So the way and the where they are at, it's hard to get into without busting everything out. Yeah. So I usually, there's a spot on the farm that I'd never go into unless I track a deer, I let them be. And because of the access, you cannot get in there without busting deer out. I've tried. So I just say, you know, you know what? That's their little sanctuary. I'm going to let them have it. Yeah. So that's why I focus more on my dad's property. It's easier to access and it holds a lot of doves. Yeah. So if there's doves, there's going to be a buck. Yeah. Eventually. And like I said, that buck that I killed and the buck that dad killed were, you know, hanging with each other pretty much the whole rut. Yeah. You see one, you see another one on camera. It wasn't. They're not working out. Yeah. And they were tag teaming them those around there. So remember them days. I had a buddy at least tag team all the does around. I remember them days. But them two are no longer on the farm. So yeah, Chris, we got fresh, fresh meat and fresh meat to go after this year. Hopefully you can find two more to tag team. That'd be kind of cool. Yeah. Well, man, before we end this, I mean, we're running on probably about an hour and a half year. They do. I'm going to cover it, maybe just a couple of minutes worse. Yeah, man. You are the man with a single shot, four, ten shooting doves. Oh, yeah. You're going to bring yourself. Yeah. So we, so a friend of ours, he's a long time friend of mine and in Scott. See, he has this land across from his house and they plan it for dove field every year. And they spend a lot of money with this. Yeah. I gave him, me and Petey both got him for over a hundred bucks a piece. And that's like, it's like a drop in the hat of what he spends on this, on this property to just for a couple of days, just for a couple of days. And normally we have a Saturday and a Monday that we always do. This year, since September 1st falls on a Monday and it's Labor Day, there's no, there's no Saturday hunting. Yeah. So we only have Labor Day to hunt and, but it's a four ten only because there's so many doves. So many doves. I mean, if we, if we all had 12 gauges, we'd all be tagged out in the first hour. Yeah. I mean, honestly, and I remember I showed up with my new England four ten that shoots a foot and a half high. It does. Yes. And the very first, but the very first dove I shot dude, I folded that son of a bitch and I missed the next eight and I was pissed. And then here you got Scott over here with a diagram was a Yieldy is. Yieldy is. Single shot, four ten was a four choke, four, four choke, dude, you didn't miss. And I was getting so pissed because I only got my 12 gauge and I was missing them with my 12 gauge and you were just here it come. Pow. It's only a day ago, be sure to smoke them. You're excited about that, don't you? Dude, I am ready. See, I was borrowing that shotgun from Matt. Yeah. So I haggled with my wife, I was like, Hey, this is what I want for Christmas. I said, I mean, it's the cheapest shotgun you can go get. It's like a 200 bucks, 150, 150 bucks. And you got a solid shooting, single shot, four ten. That's non-hammerless. I mean, it's not, not non-hammerless, it's my answer. You mean it has a hammer? They don't have a hammer. Yeah, I know. So you said non-hammerless would be has a hammer, double, I've never seen a double negative shotgun. Yeah. That one is. So they shoot over and under, so they'll do over and under, yeah. So they have a little bit of, they have one more shot. They have one more shot, but, and they are that Lawson and Matt, they ended up safe. No, no, I try to sit away from them. Yeah. Because I won't have no fun. I went up there at the end of the day, I'll go ahead and finish your story and I'll tell mine. You know, they, it's only a four ten field, but it's because how, it's not as big as, you know, some doe fields are. But that place is usually loaded, loaded to the gills with birds. And last year, we've loaded, it was loaded. And they, like I said, what was it, ten acres of sun fires and millet and stuff like that? Mm-hmm, 15. They planted 15 last year. But see the year before they planted, like, 35 acres, I remember they planted the whole field. That's right. Then the, then this year, or last year they did, there was beans everywhere. Yeah. And they planted a small, that's right. The small parks. Me and Petey went down to the, the bottom heads. Right. So, but I'm really looking forward to that. That's, that's going to be fun. It's starting off killing season, right? I know. I got to, I got to text Matt and just kind of see you fill with me, bring my 12 gauge so I don't have to go spend the money on a 40M. Well, I told you. I just bought that over and under. I know. Well, you want me to use under, over and under? Yeah. You can use it. You can break it in. I might use your over and under then, because I don't want to do that because, I mean, you bought to over and under two dove hunt. Yeah. I got the same shot though. I don't want to use the same, you can use either one. I know, but I want to buy, like, I kind of want to buy an over and under 40 and just a rabbit hunt with and stuff like that and just, just to have it, you know, I mean, because I don't ride a hunt making once a year and I have it over and under 20 gauges that I can use. And, and I have a pump 20 that I can ride my hunt with, but dude, I was standing up there. I got like, Lawson and Matt was up on a hill and they got to just shooting the hell out of them. And I said, you know what? Hell with this. I told Matt I said, I'm taking my 12 gauge. He said, no, you ain't bringing a damn 12 gauge. I said, I already got it. I said, I'm going up there and I'm standing on top of that hill with you guys and I'm killing some birds and I've killed plenty, you know, but I still wanted to kill some more birds, you know, and I didn't kill my limit yet. And when they, they limited it out quick on Saturday. Well, they usually don't shoot because they usually don't shoot because they can hunt them all all week. Yeah. They can hunt them all the time. So they let all their buddies and stuff like that shoot. Well, then that, that they were like, Hey, we got to go up and start shooting them. And I'm like, I'm going to, so I go stand in between like Matt and Bill or Bill was off the hill. Oh, Bill. Yeah. Bill. That was a funny saying, hollering at Bill off the hill. I said, well, and you'd see him pop up and there'd be no dove around. We just be fucking with him. And it's this old guy that that carries that's, that's in his overalls and and that guy. Yeah, God, I'm out of my eyes. It was harder, but I stand up for that 12 gauge and I'd go to throw up on a bird and die. I'm lost. And just that was a 14. And just folded out. I'm like, Oh, dang, I got to get away from this getting in. I started to shoot them in a long ways. And with that 12 gauge, I'm like, well, stay away from me. Well, if you remember, I had to give you the shells. Luckily, they had brought them. I didn't, I didn't realize I had them in the truck. Yeah. I was shooting with four shot four sixes. I can't remember. You had you had me four shot was a four. Yeah. I was hitting them that I shot that one bird. I know he had to be 70 because I shot him because I stand up on the hill and I shot him on the other side of the trees where we parked a truck and I shot it with that four shot. And I think I hit it with one pellet, nothing. Oh, no, I was like, I think you scammed the whole thing with this, that one pellet. I know, but I'm looking forward to that because there's, I mean, that's like a, that's a Southern treasure. I mean, well, there's people all over the country that do it. It's like everybody wants to do it. Everybody loves it. And that's, that's something I love to do because you know when I'm standing out on that doorfield, I've got less than seven days and I'm deer hunting. Yeah. And so that's, that's what I love about it. You said something earlier. I want to cover this before we end it. You don't hunt in camo. I don't know, not, not, not all my, is it a bad thing? No, no, no, no, no, no, it's so hot down here and all my big clothes. Or camo. Hey, you can't wear big thick stuff because it's not hot down here. Yeah. So you mean it's not cold down here? Oh, yeah. That's why I meant. Yeah. So it's not hot down here. You've only drank one beer shut up. This one be, I know it's warm now because it's, you can have it. I'm good. I got 24 now. Well, you're welcome. But anyways, it's not that cold down here. So all my lightweight stuff, I was like, you know what? I got all this, these flannels and stuff like that. And I just put it on there. It's real lightweight. Yeah. And I've done some stuff, you know, I've tried it out and I've never got picked out a tree with it. Mm hmm. What's the difference? Why go spend the money? Exactly. And like I hunt when, like I, those Eddie Bauer or the Eddie Bauer was kind of like the first bit, Jordan Jessett from last trial, he kind of turned me on them. They were like 50 bucks. And then Wrangler. They're like ATGs. Yeah. Yeah. The things were awesome. Yeah. Those 22, $25 pants from Walmart. That's what I wear. There for a while they were 20, $21 and I bought like 10 pairs of them because I work in them. I know where every single day. And they're so comfortable. Yeah. And I get the gray pair and I'll wear those a lot early season and I get it, but I don't know. I guess it's just something about it. Like I have to be wearing. I bought a green pair of the Eddie Bauer's and I'll hunt those in solid green. Yeah. And then I, but now we're first light stuff. Yeah. And then I'm going to start dabbing in the hunt where stuff, you know, the working class guys got to turn me on to it and, uh, and I, and I like their, I like their stuff and because it's not, I'll say this, sick of first light, cool you, all that stuff. Or if you just go to element with that, like this real tree camouflage or whatever. A deer don't know the difference. You know, I don't, I don't believe in the idea of the way sick has sold their, sold their stuff. They say, Oh, it's digitized. And that's how the deer see and like you wear this white looking bluish camo in a tree stand and they can't see you and I'm like, it's white, but I mean, I know people that kill giant deer that wear it, but you're buying it for a fad and you're buying it for cold weather, you're not buying it because it's full in a deer's eye, right? You know, and, and that's, I know some people that, that kind of did the same thing as you was like, where just a flannel and where solid, like solid pants, but then where a flannel something to break it up, but like for the years that close, I should be able to kill it. It matters. Yeah. If it matters. Well, the, I think it was right there before October, I went, I got a nine acre place that I hunt right in outside of Falston, was the Cleveland County, um, I was out, I was working down there. Was it? Yeah. I was working down there. I was working in Falston Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah. Cross place encapsulation. Oh, heck. You went far from the house. Yeah. About an iron 20 minutes from here, iron 10 minutes. Yeah. Something like that. Um, heck, I was wearing a short sleeve green t-shirt and then regular pants when I killed two dozer. Mm hmm. And then what was it? 15 or what was it? 20. Yeah. Like my dad, he won. My dad's a very hot nature kind of guy. And he, he won't like, he wears short sleeve shirt all the way up to November and my dad, which my dad's very dark complexion, you know, to be a white man. He's very dark complexion. You think you'd Indian and it's, I, I don't know, I guess it's just in my mental psyche. I don't care about my pants. Yeah. I'm usually leaning against a tree and whatever, but my arms and like I have been long goofy arms and I'm not, I'm not stealing a tree. Me neither. I can't be steel. Yeah. That's the reason why I do it. I won't really hunt out of the saddle. Right. Cause I've sat in the saddle before and I'm just, I'm just a swanging and that's, that's, that's how I feel like whenever I'm in the tree. Yeah. So I guess it's just a, I don't know how you say it, like it's superstition maybe. I don't really believe in superstition. I don't know. It's kind of like when you, when you go gun hunting, you got to have that certain thing with your, whenever you go golf and you got to have those right, whoa, I don't know. It's like I have to have some type of camo. Right. Only for the picture, I guess, it might be that, it might be. It's not about the gram, but if you didn't post it on that gram, you didn't kill it. Exactly. I mean, if you, if you, if you, the more likes you get, the better of a deer hunter that you are. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's just, that, that's the ass picture of a deer. That's all you gotta do. Yeah. I mean, I mean, these girls on that's gram, they get, they get all kinds of locks. Yeah. So this one chick, her first deer got 40,000 lives, first deer, it was, it was like a four boner. They, I got to start taking some advice from her, like, I mean, she has to be better. Yeah. I'm not going down that damn rabbit hole, dude. I really do think, I'll say this, I really do think social media has helped deer hunting way more than it's hurt. And I'm, I catch a lot of flack for that. As a lot of people think that it has hurt deer hunting more than it's helped it. Well, social media is the reason why I have a podcast right now. Social media is the reason why people stop shooting small deer and letting deer grow. Social media has brought me into relationships that's put me into some of the biggest deer ever and killed my life. Social media has showed people where the sleeper states are. Yeah. You know, social media has brought more money into deer hunting than I think any other thing. Yeah. I agree. So I completely agree. You got really rich people now on deer hunting, but well, Scott is, we can make it quick. We can end it now. Whatever. Is there anything that you want to cover? And I ask everyone of my guests, says, is there at the end of it, is there anything that's in your heart, in your mind, in your soul, anything that you thought of on a drive over here? Man, I'd really like to cover this. We're going on pushing two hours now. Is there anything that you want to cover? I think we covered about, like I said, this is my first podcast ever. Yeah. So it's a learning thing and I hope you have them back. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll see. I'll talk to Matt and I'll talk to Matt and see if they'd be willing to let me bring my stuff in and us for going to shop there and just do like a little 30, 40 minute dove hunting podcast. I just like just talk, just talking shit, you know, because we get out there and shoot doves and well, we got money online with this one, you know, we always put it apart. Oh, yeah. Who will not you? You won it last year. Oh, Eddie Jordan did the first one, the first one to tag out, wasn't it? Yeah. So how many can kill with the first box of shells? Oh, that's right. And it was $50. Did we put in 50? Or is 20? 40. That's 40 bucks. It was 60. I mean, he won 800 bucks, 800, $900. And it was the first 25 shells who ever had the most birds in 25 shells. And Matt didn't put in. He didn't put in. He donated. Yeah, he donated because he would have won because he, I think, and see, died, he brought his 20. Yeah. And he killed, he killed his limit in 16 shots, he killed 15 birds in 16 shots. That's pretty darn good. But he did with the 20. That's all right. Yeah. And he didn't put in for it because I ought to put all my money on that. That's dead. I dick when it comes to shooting a bird with a shotgun. That's one person. I ain't never met your dad. He was there? No, he, y'all hunted that money out of your back to work, remember? I had decided it with y'all. Oh, that's right. I didn't hunt money because I had to go back to work. So I didn't get to meet your dad. Hopefully that changed. I don't know if he'll probably go hunt S.R.'s farm this year, the other buddy where we used to always hunt before we started coming down there. Oh, okay. We got a place down in South Mountain that we can hunt, but not really that I like. I like going there, hang out with Matt. We can sit there and. Oh, yeah. Wreck a couple beers and. Wreck the shit. Yeah. Shoot the shit with. Bail. But Scott, it's been good. How was it? But let's be honest. All right. I feel like I can. Did the nerves get to you at all? A little bit. So we, I'll just be totally honest with you guys. We've had some technical difficulties today. Between cards not working, my sound board doing something weird and we've had to restart this podcast like four times and I think even whenever the first card filled up, I poked it in the computer here and it cut off like the first minute of the podcast. Yeah. But you know what? I'm just going to roll with it. Yeah. I am just going to roll with it. You can piece it together. Yeah. I mean, the one thing that I love about this platform, this style and the way we do things, it doesn't matter. I thought people cared about the little things. They don't. They just want to hear a couple of guys shooting shit. Yeah. It's always like what you gave like maybe we'll do it like a season recap with you next time. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to see you. I'll ask Matt if he wants to do it. He may not. I mean, you know how mad it is. Matt's very, he's the funniest individual I've probably ever met in my life, the most unserious, serious person I've ever met in my life. I don't know. Lawson will do it. Oh, he'll also get in there. A heartbeat. Yeah. Yeah. This kid is 12 years old and driving around a Toyota Tacoma through the middle of the fields cussing up the storm, loved him for it. Oh, yeah. All right, dude. Let's, it's almost 10 o'clock, dude. Well, like I said, thanks for having me on, man. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. We'll do it again. Thank you for listening to the Hunt in the Mason Dixon podcast. Again, I'm your host, Jordan Jones. Scott Davis. Thank you, Scott. Take one, dig tighter, boys. (clapping) [BLANK_AUDIO]
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