[music] We're back. This is Jordan Jones, your host of the Hunt in the Mason Dixon podcast. I got a special guest with me today. His name's Jared Glass. Jared, what's up, man? Hey, glad to be on. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Absolutely. So tell the people who you are. Tell us what you're about. All right. Well, my name's Jared Glass. I'm owner and operator of Thermal Drone Services of NC and we specialize in whitetail services. I opened up the company last fall. It was the first deer season that we was open for. We were very successful. I learned a lot and I'm excited for this coming deer season. Yeah. How did you get started in that? Honestly, I just watched that mock over at Drone Deer Recovery. He's the guy that gave me inspiration. I think he's the guy that gave everybody inspiration. Yeah, whenever I first came out on TikTok and I was watching him do that, man, what an idea. That's a heck of an idea. Well, just the first couple videos I watched to him, it just, I mean, it just hit me like a current ton of bricks. You know, they wasn't nobody doing that in North Carolina at the time. And I said, well, you ought to have that here. It's going to be revolutionary. Absolutely. How many are there a bunch of operators in North Carolina now? There's getting to be more and more all the time. Yeah. Last deer season, there was just a handful of us. I was one of the first, I think I was the first one to reach out to the state and kind of, you know, inquire about what's legal, what's not legal. You know, kind of getting my feet wet with it and all. But by the time deer season ended, there were three or four people across the state doing it. But I keep seeing more and more names pop up all the time, honestly. Now, I will tell you this, I don't know how many of them are real serious seasoned hunters versus just people with a drum. You get what I'm saying? That's just trying to get a slice of the pie. So obviously I want you to go with my company, go with me if you can. But there are other options out there. But always bet your person, make sure they know the hunting world. You know what I'm saying? They're not just a guy with a drum. And not all drones are created equal, I'll tell you that too. So you got to make sure they got good equipment. Mm-hmm. And, okay, me as a consumer or me as a, I'm a big deer hunter. I love to shoot deer if I shoot one bad. I'm like, how do I vet these people? Well, quite a lot. I mean, I know that you say pick and choose who you can, but in the moment, you shoot a deer in a gut or you shoot a deer bad. I mean, I'm not, yes, I'll spend the money. I kind of know, I have an idea of what sort of stuff costs. But in the moment, I'm like, I just want the first person I'll show up. Yeah, yeah. So what do you say to the people that are like? You say, I don't care how much it costs. Like, do they normally vet you like that? Oh, like I asked me questions. Yeah. Well, you know, last year's my first deer season. And I had some people that did and I had some people that didn't really, you know, they didn't really know what questions to ask. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, it's just all so new to everybody. You know, during the off season, I do pet recoveries. People lose pets as well. I get some crazy questions from people because they just don't understand the technology. Yeah. I had one eight lady ask me if I could see inside people's houses through their walls. You know, you get all kinds of issues. Yeah. You get all kinds of crazy questions, just as people just don't understand what it's capable of, what its strengths are and what its weaknesses are. I've seen it, man. And you can't hide. No, when the leaves are down. Yeah. You know, that's my slogan. You know, you can run, but you can't hide. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the leaves are down. You ain't hiding. Yeah. I've seen that stuff. I mean, I've seen you fly the thing around before, and I'm like, holy crap dude. Like if it was great for missing persons, like what's some. All right. We're going to go into it. What's some things that you have seen since you have been doing the drone stuff? What's some of your biggest issues that you're running into between from like somebody shoots a deer bad or is it foliage? Well, what are you seeing out there whenever you are on these tracks that we should maybe look into whenever we're calling a drone guy or something? Oh, like no one wins the time for a drone. Yeah. What are some of your biggest issues that you're running to say, damn, I wish this guy would have just done this or I wish this guy would have just done that for me, what to like help you. Well, if you know you got shot of deer, and I mean, I know everybody's first reaction and I'm going to spend a bunch of money on a drone. You know, obviously you want to find it yourself. But if you keep bumping that deer, get out of there, back out. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you're tall as a gun hunter or a new hunter anyway and when in doubt, back out. Yeah. I found a buck for a guy last year and they admitted to me they had bumped him several times and we ended up finding him, but it took a long time to find that deer and he had went over a mile by the time we found him and he was actually being eaten by coyotes when we found him. So I mean, a lot of that could have been voided, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I remember for sure. But that was one of my longer calls, probably about four hours. Still, still quick, you know, compared to getting on your hands and knees and following a gut trial, following a blood trail. Yeah. It's, I mean, why should I call you over calling a dog? Oh, there's a lot of reasons. Now, I mean, there are some reasons I don't I don't bash on dog people. You know, there are some situations where dogs make sense. But what's beautiful about the drone is you can get in there and you're not leaving any event. You're not making a bunch of noise. You're not shining lots around, contaminating the area. You can, you know, you can look at a deer. You can look at a mature buck from the air and he don't have a clue you're there. You know what I'm saying? So, so when you're, you're looking for this deer, you're not bugger in your spot for future hunts. That's my hands down favorite thing about the drone. Also if that deer ain't dead yet, which a lot of the deer, a lot of the cows I went on last year, deer wasn't dead yet. That's why you're having trouble finding the deer's because he ain't dead and you know, we're able to see that. We're able to see the shot placement in a lot of cases. We're able to get an idea of whether that deer is going to be mortally wounded or not, you know, and you can get all that intel and you can get all that data where if you just put a dog on them, it's just going to push that deer, push that deer, push that deer. And you're never really going to know at the end of the day. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I've never called a dog and I've never used a drone, you know, and I've lost deer before. Not many. I've lost a couple, I'm about 100 and 100 and low enough to where I wish I'd have had a dog or wish I'd have had a drone, but maybe I couldn't afford it at that time, you know, because, I mean, what's your average? What's your average track run $400, $500, $600, whatever you've ever caught. I charge $400 for carcass recovery, and that includes 100 miles worth of travel, 50 miles there, 50 miles back, and I'm based out of Conley Springs, North Carolina. That's in between Morgan and Hickory and anything after that, 75 additional cents a mile. So you know, a lot of it just depends on how far I'm traveling, but 400 is the base rate. 400 is the base rate. Okay. So it's not cheap. It's not cheap to have you come out. And that's the reason why like if me, I'm going to do everything I can to not have to pay you 400 bucks, you know, and I get, I get why you charge that. I mean, you kind of like, those drones ain't cheap. And I know that you don't have a cheap one, so in my head, I think I speak for the broke guy, I really, really want to use a drone more than I would a dog because I do believe that they are less invasive, but it's hard to beat a dog's nose. And they're all good. I mean, not all just like all drones are not created equal, dogs are not created. Good point. And, and you can, I mean, just honestly, you can find dog people that's going to save you some money or that drone. But there are dog people out there that charge just as much as I do too. But then, you know, you're getting cream of a crop dog, but you're paying more for it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, it's been on a 350 recoveries over the last, you know, 10 years or whatever. I mean, that's successful or whatever, I don't know what, what to me, like with, with these drones, you know, and I have been saying that and I agree with it. I'm 100% agree that we should be able to use drones, but I do see the side like the argument or people saying like, oh, I mean, you're supposed to stop in somebody from buying a drone going and seeing a deer before they go in the woods and they say, Oh, there's the big buck. I don't know where he's at. Now I can go climbing the, go climbing my tree stand. Yeah. So like the services that you offer, I don't know what all services that you do. And obviously I want you to kind of go over and what they mean and stuff like that. So what, I mean, morally speaking, obviously you shouldn't do, go find one before, before you're going in hunting with a drone. What's stopping these people from doing that? Well, it's just that you're on level of accountability. I mean, honestly, it's just like anything else. It can be abused, just like sale cameras, same token, some people don't believe in using cameras and that's fine if you don't want to use them and other people love them, you know, but I've heard lots of stories of people saying, you know, putting a sale camera in a wide open field, getting a picture of a big buck and then slipping out there in three minutes later. He's dead. You know what I mean? Mm hmm. That's a good point. Yeah, that's good. I actually, I mean, I've ran sale cameras for years and around and I haven't done that. Now, have you ran into the issue where, which, how many tracks did you go in last year? I'd really have to go back and do my paperwork. Just off the cuff, I'd say 24 to 30. 24 to 30. Okay. Out of all the people that you wouldn't met, what do you do to combat the people that call you just to survey the properties who the deer are and having them just go out and just go hunting? What do you do to combat that? Yeah. I just, I mean, honestly, you just got to talk to people and kind of use your own judgment. And there was, I, out of all the people I did last year, there was one guy that I felt like was shady. You know what I'm saying? Really? All the rest of them I felt like were pretty straight up. You know what I'm saying? People. Mm hmm. And he was a shady and he was a situation where I did decide just to go ahead and back out because he was trying to hunt somewhere he wasn't supposed to be. And I knew it. Mm hmm. You know what I'm saying? Mm hmm. And so it's going to happen. You know? Yeah. At times. But you just got to use your best. What's the law on that? North Carolina, you know? For what? For the? Right. Running drones. Is there any gray areas? Is there anything like that these drones that, that you have, that you're battling right now currently? Well, yeah, let me explain that a little bit so, and when I first started looking into all this, I didn't know what was legal, what wasn't legal in the state. And so I turned to the North Carolina Wildlife Resource Commission, you know, because I looked over everything, couldn't, couldn't really find nothing on it, pro it or against it, from their side of things. Now the NC DOT has a law that says you can't hunt or fish with the use of a drone. And that's all it says. And it never, we never could find the definition of the word hunt. Well, how you'd have to find the word hunt means the pursuit of an animal. Yeah. How you'd find that. And it took months. I mean, I worked with, I talked with, you know, the NC DOT. I talked with a North Carolina Wildlife Resource Commission. And it was kind of in limbo, you know, for several months, leading up to deer season last year, and they come back with a conclusion and said it's legal to do carcass recovery with the drone. It's legal to do herd analysis with a drone. I'll go back and explain kind of what all this stuff is. And it's, it's even legal to scout with a drone, but they said where it becomes illegal and how they're defining the word hunt is if you was actively trying to go out there and shoot it, you know, like, like, you know, you do the same thing with trail cameras, you know, you put a trail camera out and you're trying to kind of learn the deer's patterns or learn where he's at and like, that, that's the same thing with the drone. That's legal. You can do that. But where you can't do it is get the drone in the air, say that big bucks over there in the corner of that field, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because you can't use any mechanical devices or computer or electronic devices in the pursuit of an animal. I was just like, I can't text you and I technically can't text you or call you and say, all right, now walk right, you'll be able to see them here in just a second. Okay. Boom. No, no, get down. He's going to pop over the hill and you shoot him. Exactly. I can't do that. That's absolutely illegal. And they will get you and hurt me. All right. So, so the next question naturally was, well, how long between flying and hunting, like, what do I need to do as a company to protect myself and protect the client? You know, I'm educated to know what to tell them as far as what's legal and what's not. I never got a hard time stamp amount of time as to, was it two hours? Was it six hours? Was it 12 hours? Was it a day? Was it a week? You know, I never could get a hard stamp time. But everybody I talked to was within the grants that if I'm policing myself, the company by saying you got to wait till the next day to go out and hunt. So, so if we fly, if we fly one evening, you got to wait till the next morning to go hunt or if we fly one morning, you got to wait till the fall one morning to go hunt. Okay. And because that gives a dear kind of. Are you like signing contracts? Or is there like a contract that you make them sign to say that they can do that? Yes. So there is a blanket statement that basically you sign saying we got permission to be there. You know, from, we got permission from the landowner to be there. You know, what you're telling me is the truth. You're being upright and honest with it. You understand that you can't go actively hunt this deer that day. You got to wait till the next day, you know. I mean, because there are states out there that I mean, if you find the deer with a drone, you can't get it. Yeah. There is some. Yeah. That's horseshit. Yeah. I do not agree with that. I mean, because honestly, you shoot 170 inch deer and a drone is going to go out there. I'm not going to say what I would do if I was in a state that wouldn't allow you to go get the animal once you find it with a drone. But I don't leave them that I mean, you know, 90 people, 99.9% of people, they know what that deer is. Yeah. They're going to get that deer. Yeah. They don't want to get you. Oh, man. Okay. So a topic that I want to talk about in how the hell do you get permission to fly over property that they're not hunting. No, you don't belong to you. That don't belong to you or don't belong like I have a lease in the mountains, Allegheny County. It's 107 acres. Right. I shoot a deer. It goes on the neighbor's property. Mm-hmm. Well, we don't have right to retrieval in North Carolina. Can you still fly and look for that deer, even though it's not on a 107 acre block? Absolutely. And that's another big advantage to the drone over a dog is because, you know, with a dog, you have to get permission from the neighbors because you have to get permission to physically walk on the property. Right. But so, you know, that's an FFA law. You can fly anywhere you want in the air where you have to, we have to have permission from where we're physically standing and like where we're landing and taking the drone off from. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Now, once we're up in the air, we can go anywhere. Yeah. And, but now if we find the deer on the neighbor's property, yes, you got to get, like you said, you got to get permission to walk over there and get it, but we can locate it because, there's no one owns the airspace above the property. You know, and that's how we're able to do it. So like, is there like a, I mean, because obviously you can't fly 10 foot above their property across their property because what we own like 200 feet of airspace or something like that is. I've, I've looked high and low and I've heard people throw, you know, arbitrary numbers out before, but I can not find an actual defined altitude. For sure. You know what I'm saying? It's legal, but it's just like airplane or helicopter or whatever. When you're up reasonably high, you know what I'm saying? I fly at 400 feet. That's what I'm allowed to fly. Okay. So you can go up to 400 feet and that's like 400 feet, even from the peak of a mountain or down to, from the ground, yeah, and wherever the ground is at that point. That was pretty cool. Like, I watch you set the, set the level. So like, if you're going to a mountain, you can, you know, it'll come back down and it's, it's, it's, it still blows my mind that you can not hide that you cannot hide with those things. And that's, I guess that's kind of the reason why the regulations are, it's going to come in because you can't, you, you're, you can see anything and you can see everything. You can see a squirrel. You can see a bird. I mean, and it's in high, high, like a hundred K definition it looks like, you know, it's, it's like you're standing out here looking at it with your own two eyes and it's, that's what blows my mind on it. But, you know, I love, I love the idea of drones and I wish there wasn't near the regulations that there are on it now because you shoot an animal. You want to go and find that animal. Oh yeah. I'm going to do whatever I can necessary to take care of the animal because that's our duty as hunters. Oh yeah. Right. Well, whatever we pull the trigger on animal, we do right by that deer. Or bear or whatever it is that you're shooting. And I just don't agree with how they're, how, how strongarm and they are because, and I guess, I guess it's because you can see that you can't hide from this. Maybe they're going to use it to spy on stuff like that. Now, there are laws against that and now, like I said, you can fly over, you know, anybody's property legally, but you can't, you can't take pictures of their property. You can't ace against the law to spy or harass anybody with the use of a drone. So certainly, absolutely, it would be illegal if I was trying to look through, I've heard of people doing that trying to look through people's windows with a drone that would absolutely be just because you're six foot off the ground doesn't mean you have that right. Yes. And if you're, you know, if you're just bothered, if you just keep constantly flying over somebody's house and bothering them and harassing them, yeah, they can get you in trouble for that. I could assume so and that's, I mean, especially if somebody, here's where I think that I would run or you'd run into an issue, say the, say the neighbor doesn't let you go find a deer in North Carolina. Like I said, we don't have right to retrieval, but you can still go find the dragon thing, you know, with a, with a drone. Do you guys like try to just knock on the door anyway and say, Hey, I'm flying a drone or you just go, I try, yeah, I try to absolutely let people know what's going on. You know, I mean, I tell, I tell the hunter, you know, like let your neighbors know what's going on. Just so they know this people, people see drones and they get freaked out. They don't know what's going on. Well, Billy Bob done a freak with a shotgun sitting in the trailer. Yeah. He's going to start shooting at it. It's been shot at, at least, at least one occasion, for sure. I know for a fact that was being shot at by two different individuals. All right. You got to go to that. I think there was another, there was another situation. I'm pretty positive that guy was shooting at me too, but, but the only reason why I knew the first two were is because they told me they were, and you know, I mean, like I knew they were. They told me they were. Got a lot of people in, in the south, buddy, a spine on us, but we got to shoot this thing out of there. We go, we spine on this. And I don't realize there's, what's a $14,000 drone flying in the middle there. Well, that's what that guy, that's exactly what that guy told me. He said, I thought she's the government. I mean, it sounds like something that our government would do. You know, so, and he apologized to me and everything after it happened, but, but I'm just glad he didn't hit it, you know, because I explained to him and I want to go ahead and explain that to everybody too, it is a felony to shoot a drone out of the sky. If it's registered with the FFA, it's just like shooting the helicopter out of the sky. It's a registered aircraft. Don't do it. Just don't do it. I really don't know how bad it would be, but it is not a situation you want to be. You don't want to put yourself in that place. Yeah. Usually a drone in the air. Yeah. Just well. And as a drone operator, I wouldn't want, I understand, you know, like I wouldn't want, I wouldn't want to have, you know, make somebody have a felony just because of that, but I'm required to report it and, and I can't afford to lose a $15,000 drone. The heck no. You know what I'm saying? We ain't build gates right here. So, you know, just, just don't do it. Yeah, that's a, which I mean, I have, I've, I've lived here where I live right now for about right at five years, four and a half years, right? And I've never seen a drone. So I could see if like I see a drone and it stops and it's just looking at me, you know, a hundred foot in the air. I'm going to think, who the hell is this and why are you, why are you spied on me? Yeah. And I could understand like you get some of the paranoid people in, in the mountains of North, in the hills of North Carolina, you know, I mean, are you only blossoms so you can do it in North Carolina or can you go anywhere else? No, it's anywhere as far as that goes. Now, every state has different laws, you know, just to know what the laws are in that state. But my license, my drone 107 is a federal, you know, nationwide thing. Oh, it is. Okay. Well, they get into some stories. They don't hear some cool. I did. I know you have some good stories. If you went on 40 tracks or 3540 tracks on it, what's your favorite story, man? I want to hear it. I don't know. It's hard to narrow it down. A bunch of good ones. But your phone on airplane mode, it'll try to pick up like static and stuff. Do you hear that little static there? Yeah. Try to put it on the airplane mode and it'll kind of like start like a click and you hear the static go away. Yeah. I guess what it was. Yeah. How did I know that's what it was? I just. Dude, it took me for ever to like figure out because it was ever now and then I just start here and static and everything like that. But these things, like these mic stands or these wires right here, they will pick up like internet service and so your phone will try to like, you know, connect to where the wiring is. It's, I didn't know anything about it and I heard Kurt from working class, the host there. I heard him talking about it. I was like, hey, I'm going to try it because it was so bad on the one, the episode, a few episodes ago with Jordan, Jess up in the last row of doors, he was picking up and it was static. He's so bad and I had to figure it out and I haven't listened to the episode. That's what it was. It's back on technology here. All right. Get into it. Oh my God. I see a rack. Yeah. I'll show you that deer there. This was probably one of my favorite stories. There's a bunch. I can tell you, but that deer there was came from the mountains and there's no Carolina deer. It's huge. That deer is 160. Yeah. 150 is 160 all day. A kid shot that deer about, I don't know, eight or 10 years old. Really? From his house, like from the inside of his house or was it just like in his, in the backyard? Yeah, shooting out the window. No, out the window of that. I love it. Hey, um, he evidently that kid, you know, it was pretty smart and they've been, you know, putting the camera out and stuff there around their house. They'd have deer come out the edge of the yard, amazing the mountains. He's in a real quiet, you know, kind of secluded kind of, they weren't in the neighborhood. Yeah. And, um, and he, he's watching that deer. He's watching other deer. He set a sites on that deer, you know, and he's been watching this deer and, you know, it's always after dark. Yeah. But he's getting close to daylight. Yeah. And he knows his time getting ready. Mm hmm. He's got paid attention, you know, and the deer finally shows itself. He shoots it and obviously he can't find it. This was, I'm trying to remember, maybe I've been on 10 or 12 tracks this year, something like, you know, that point in the season and, um, I hadn't lost a deer yet, you know. And I went out there and I looked for that deer and I couldn't find that deer. And I was like, man, I was like, she's talking about this little kid here. Yeah. So I just shot a giant. Oh, yeah. And, um, I wanted to find it for him, but I mean, it's couldn't find it. You know, we were up late. We were up till I can't remember what time it was looking for that deer. And, um, and one of the issues, and that, that particular day, that particular time was the rocks. There were so many rocks. There's so much rock face around. So there's holding all that he was holding heat and it was slowing me down because I'd have to, you know, I'd have to check out all these rocks, you know, make sure it wasn't a body laying there, you know, and it was just taking, taking a long time. I didn't cover near the amount of area that I typically cover because there was just so many things to look at, you know, just kept having to stop and look, you know, and, um, and, you know, and we just, you know, we ended up having to call it and I told the guy, I said, you know, stay in touch with me. So this is the first deer I've not been able to find. And I didn't lock out. I didn't like, you know, having a tarnished wreck or that found everything else except for that one, you know, of all deer. Yeah. And, um, about. You didn't find him alive or dead? No, it didn't find him alive or dead, it didn't find him not. And, um, and I told the guy, I keep in touch with me and he did and, um, I texted him a day or two later and I said, do you ever show back up on camera? And he said, no, a day or two later, I texted him again, do you ever show back up on camera? No. And I told the guy, this was maybe, I can't remember how, I can't remember how many days out from the shot now. But, um, so when deer, when deer decease, you know, they get cold, obviously, and then they start, they actually start to heat back up again when they start swelling and blowing him up. Yeah. And I told him, I said, I have no way of knowing the exact timeframe of when that's going to take place. I said, but there, there is an odd chance, a possibility if that deer is bloating back up, we can find them off the heat that way, you know what I'm saying? And I said, I, I, I can't do this for everybody and this is my first season that I'm going to be so busy this year, I'm going to be able to do this for everybody. But I told that guy, come back, no charge and just see what I can do. And, um, I think it was getting to be about a week or so after the shot, you know. And, um, of course, this is when it was cooler, you know what I mean? And, um, he, um, the morning, I think it was the morning, I was going to go up there. I was, I think I was loading the truck up or I just woke up. It was real early in the morning. He texts me and he said, the deer showed back up on camera and he said, he's fine. Dude, that hole is right behind the shoulder. I don't know how that deer's, I don't know how that deer's alive. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, how close they shot it with a boom stick arrival. Yeah, 243. 243. Okay. And I've killed a ton of deer with a 243 and that's not too small of a caliber to kill a deer. If I shot, I mean, I'm sure that they were thinking, no, I didn't fit easily, we didn't fit the yards, you know, a hundred yards. He's the toughest freaking animals I've ever seen in my life. I mean, he had to just barely, barely, barely been above the lungs. I mean, I mean, I still don't see how it didn't get long, be honest with you. I mean, I got, all right, I'm not a firm believer in no man's land. I mean, because you got, you got your lungs and then you got the spine just lays right on top of that. I mean, the only thing he could have done was shot above the spine at that point. I mean, cause that spine, like when you're getting, when you're getting like really like close, like down. So we say, and it was a downward angle shot, so you know what I'm saying? It's even worse. Not making any sense because that spine, like it runs across the back, you know, off the top of the back, you've got what, just a couple inches there and then you have your spine and it runs and then all of a sudden the spine just like dips down low and it almost like it get where it goes in between the shoulder blades there. And so you've got about four inches from the top of the back to where that spine isn't. That's where it looks like. You would think if you hit it right there, that didn't have just dropped on its tracks. Yeah. It don't make good sense, but that deer is still alive to this. As far as I know, he's still alive to this. They had pictures of them throughout the duration of that deer season, you know. Dude, what a sick feeling, but I'm sure I'm glad he got closer on it, you know, at that. I mean, you shoot a deer out there. Have you seen anywhere, you know, there's no way this deer should have died and you found it? Um, not really some many of those. I've seen more deer that you think would die that didn't, you know what I'm saying? And I saw, I tell you a trend. I did see this toward the later. I don't know why it was strange. I guess maybe it's because just the way our seasons run when rifle season comes in, but toward the end of their season, I got a string of calls where they were deer that were shot or the rifle and they dropped immediately, like a nerve, like a nerve thing, like a high shoulder shot dropped immediately. Yeah. And then after a period of time, some as short as a minute or two and then some as long as two hours would get back up and run, those deer didn't die. That makes me wonder, see, that makes me wonder that because I've done that, you know, I've shot deer and they drop and they immediately get back up. I mean, I shot a big one. I lost that just last deer I've lost shot a big 10 pointer and the deer just hit the dirt. I mean, it's 150 yards. Like, Oh my gosh. And I had my buddy with me. He's like, Yeah, you smoked that thing. And I was like, I think I might want to shoot that deer again. What I did is I hit it low in that one shoulder and I guess just I have a shoot of 257 Roberts and when it hit the deer initially fail, I guess just hit a nerve or whatever, just like getting hit in the side of the, you know, with a truck, you know, just didn't die. You know, just ain't ran off. I don't know. What happened to my theory? I mean, I don't know that this is correct, but my theory is you just, you know, all that energy hits those nerves, you know, and it paralyzes them, nerves are jacked, you know, but after a period of time, it works its way out and they regain control of the limbs again. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I had one guy. It was that guy that was, I told you, it's kind of shady. He wasn't supposed to be hunting there. He claims, well, he had some pictures that he laid his hands on the buck, drug the buck, but the drug, the buck still had control of his neck up. So he went back to get something to kill the buck with because he was, you know, he was having a hard time because that deer was thrashing his neck around the stuff. And when he came back to dispatch the deer, the deer got up and ran and he said he, he physically drug the buck. Hmm. I guess I could see that, baby. I mean, maybe he's lying. You know what I'm saying? They did have pictures of a deer laying there with his neck up right, you know. Well, what it, why does he have to lie about that? You know, I mean, what reason does he have to lie about something like that? So, so maybe, I don't know, I don't know, that's, that's, that's pretty, the shadiness is where, where it gets me, I don't know if I believe that guy or not. You know, if he's already calling you out there to be there and he, he's not supposed to be there. Yeah. Was it for that deer? Yeah. He was for that deer and then he essentially lied to me, you know, and I found out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can only imagine how that would, how that would be. Start asking questions, how he's something, this particular piece of property, you know? I'm sure there's probably going to be a lot more of those people that you run into. But I mean, do you have a vetting process to the people that you hunt or that you, that, that make the calls for you? You're like, when I go out to a call, do you have a vetting process from them? I just, I'd have to, I just to help with them, I try my best, I'm not, I'm not always able to, but I try my best to talk to the landowner, but I try to do everything I can, you know, to see permission, slip, you know, to see whatever I can to, you know, kind of give me that piece of mind that they're a jet, you know? Yeah. I mean, because I didn't know, like, when you run into that situation, a game warden shows up, you know, like, oh, they're not even supposed to be, like, what's the process for you? I try to get a text. I try to get something to prove that they called you there, you know, not just a phone call. You want something, something there in your hands, that way, if game warden shows up, like, oh, what are you doing here? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm saying like a copy of the, I could copy of the, um, a picture or something of like the written permission or whatever. Exactly. So this guy, he called me out here. I know he's supposed to be here. So you, okay. I mean, have you run into like game warden situations, anything like that? Not yet. Um, I've talked to a few of them on the phone, you know, throughout the course of the season and throughout time. And they, all the ones I've talked to have been, um, really, you know, pretty, pretty good about things and they've been good dance for my questions, best they can. Um, it's a new evolving thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I, there's definitely some confusion over, you know, a lot of gray areas, a lot of gray areas and, um, but they've all been, you know, they've all tried to be really helpful with it. And, um, and I think a lot of them are excited about it, but they understand it can be abused and they're going to look for people that's abusing it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I mean, I wouldn't think, you know, as a, as a consumer or somebody that may need your services one day, well, how would I pay you a big chunk of money to do something illegal? Yeah. But I mean, people do a lot of stupid stuff. You know, they, they're, they're going to, if, if it helps them in any way, they're, they're going to pay, they're going to pay a lot of money for it. So I don't know, but I, I can tell you this now, I can't tell you the details because I don't know the details, but, um, but everybody I've talked to as far as it sounds like in little Carolina and the wildlife industry isn't going to be a fairly, um, good state, you know, this kind of work, um, the, you know, there's, there's talks and there's nothing solidified, but there's talks and maybe like a permit and process, which I think smart in the future, um, kind of like how, you know, taxiderms test about taxiderms license. There may be something like that with the drone operators that way Joe Smoe with his $100 drone, it and driving everybody crazy, you know, doing stupid stuff. And that, that's getting the professional pilots with the 107 licenses with the battery equipment. You know, that's the people that is out there and you're, you've not got, you know, a bunch of people harassing people and causing problems. Yeah. And, um, so there's talks of something like that in the works, there's talks of, um, um, like a, um, permitting process for like gamelands or talks of, um, just there, I just, what I've been told is the next two to three years, because it takes some time, they'll be like really concrete, defined rules and definitions in the wildlife book that we get every year that, that it'll be, you know, this is what you can, this is what you can't do and everybody should then be on the same page and it takes all that gray area out because you have that, you know, exactly. Yeah. Like, I mean, like you said, it's, it's fairly news. So they're, you're working out all the kinks and, and all that stuff and which, I mean, did you say, how many drone operators are there in North Carolina? I honestly, I don't know anymore. I mean, um, like I said, before there, they're like a union, you guys across the nation. Like, is there like a website or anything? Well, you know, Mike with Deardron's got a collective amount on his website. There's a lot more than what he's got on his website. Really? And, um, like I said, I don't know how many of them are just seasoned hunters and they're just doing it as side gigs or whatever versus like full time people doing it all the time. But I've seen advertisements for at least, at least 24 different drone operators. Hmm. And then that's crazy how, how quickly that thing took off. Cause like you said, you believe that you feel like you were the first one, at least that was trying to do it, the licensure, the right way, you know, that kind of, this thing is kind of quick. This is going to be a heck of a business cause Mike was pretty much the first guy in the game. Yeah. Yeah. As far as I, I mean, he's the first time I'd ever heard of it. And I guess there was some stuff cause I, I talked to one game warden and he had said he was involved in a case, court case with a drone operator and he couldn't tell me the details or not, but this was back before all this started. So there were people messing with it, you know, back in the day or whatever, but as far as it becoming a big mainstream thing, there's no doubt, like someone to brought it there. Yeah. That's, and see, he's got even into the, are you going to kind of do like how he does with the ag stuff? Have you seen? Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to get into ag stuff or not. I'm undecided on that. No, I'm not. I mean, they're spraying 100,000, or 10,000 acres. I don't know the number that I'm not a farmer, but they're spraying a massive amount of land in just a couple of weeks, what it would take a couple of months to do and, and there's no overhead. That drone, once you pay for that drone, it's not like you got to keep paying for gas. You just, I mean, those batteries, like how long those batteries last? Well, those, that, you know, the spraying drones are different drones when I use, but I'm using like a car battery. Yeah. Now the batteries I've got, you know, you're looking around a 30 ish, 25, 30 ish minute flight time. They're real quick and easy to change out. You just drop the drone, you just pop them back in. I mean, it literally takes maybe 10 seconds. It takes longer to fly their own bike to your location than it does change the batteries. But, so, you know, so you can just rotate through multiple sets of batteries, but as far as how many cycles, how many life cycles those batteries get, I'm not, I'm on 100% shore. You've only been doing it for a year. I've only been doing it for a year, but DJI is, that's my end drone that I use. I think they say three, I think it's 300 hours on a set of batteries and then you got to replace them. Things are, I don't want to misspeak here. I think they're, I can't remember if they're $600 for the set or $600 a piece. But anyway, if you buy four sets of most people buy four sets at a time as a minimum, you know. I mean, so. Because if you have four sets, you can rotate them around in a continuous flight. You can charge them as fast as you burn through them, so you can always have full battery. We'll see that right there. So all right, that kind of ties into whenever I first started hearing about like people doing using dogs, which we bought, everybody's always heard about using dogs and what it costs. You're like, God, my $400 for this. But now that you're talking, you know, about it, you spend a crap ton of money on the actual drone itself, you know, $14,000, $15,000 for that thing. And then you've got, like you just said, $600. You have to replace these batteries. Like maybe every year, maybe every couple of years, maintenance on the drone, you know, what I mean? You've got to do that ever so often. It's an expensive business, man. It is. And you got the generator. You got the, you know what I mean, you're the monitor. I mean, you feel good in there. You feel, you know, it adds a anybody that's ever run a business knows it ain't what's on the surface. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm in pest control and big of a thing. God, I mean, you've been $100 every three months, just a spray for some ants. Like, well, yeah. We have 40 or 50 trucks in our fleet that we've got to pay insurance for and guys and well, we spend, and then you're paying me just to go out there and bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's insane. It's, it's an insane market. Like, are you running into any issues or is there any other issues that you may be running into or that you, any future issues that you think is going to be coming up or have you heard anything? Well, I mean, there, there is a elephant in the room right now and that's the potential man on DJI drones in America. That's, that's where I just want to go with this. Deb's stating. You know what I'm saying? If that comes, comes true, I don't know if it will or not. I mean, at this point in time, I'm just rolling on with it and we'll just, we'll just see what happens. I mean, it is possible. There is a possibility they could be banned by this deer season. You never know, but, but most people think even if the man does go through, it would probably be you be grandfathered in, it would be on new products, you know, or it could go into effect four or five years from now. Nobody knows. You know, but there's, there's nothing set in stone on it. That's just a small part of a defense bill that the, the defense bill as a whole is being pushed through. And it's just a small section and there's not a lot of details and you know what I'm saying? And a lot, well, there's a lot of confusion. A lot of people don't know. Yeah. I mean, so, I mean, who's to tell me that I can't fly a drone on my own property? That's the biggest thing is that I'm sure that's a big argument. Well, I'm going to tell you, it's all just political BS because that their argument is as they're sending data back to China, that China can use against this like spine on us. Well, why does China care for looking for a deer that we shot, you know, now obviously. Because, I mean, if they want to lay out of the land, they have to do download onyx. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just a ridiculous argument. Now you could say, well, what if you got, what if you're using that drone for like critical infrastructure stuff? And then it goes back to like satellite, she can't tell me they don't have a satellite pointed at us. That's got just as good a resolution. Is that drones going to be? I mean, you look at what that woman say, or what did people say like, you can't, can you see inside of my house, but they probably got satellite images that are watching us right now have this conversation in my basement of my house, you know, they can see that stuff based on our basic. Yeah, your cell phone. I mean, if you was really worried about China spying on you, you'd be banning cell phones long before you'd be banning drones. Yeah. So basically what all that goes back to is market share. So the American companies don't have enough market share. They're way behind DJI is by far the leader and selling the most equipment and they can't catch up, you know, the real way, so they're going to try to ban them to catch up that way. Yeah. But everybody, I've never owned an American drone and I would prefer to do that. Like, you know, I'm a patriot, I believe in America and I'd rather buy American made if I have the opportunity, but they just don't have anything on the market that's worth spending your money on. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And that's a huge purchase. Yes. That's something, I mean, 99.9% of people are getting loans just to be able to buy the drone being made off as a business opportunity, you know, and that's, so there's no like really American made drones to do, but they're not, they're just not the quality, you know, they're just nowhere near the quality and the features and the, you know, the DJI definitely has the most cutting edge. DJI out of, I mean, they're a Chinese company based on China. And that's why everybody's worried about them. But, I mean, if an American company, you know, stepped up to the plate and made my good product done, absolutely. You'd rather do it if you could compare. If they were comparable, I'd buy the American. But then you'd pay 30,000 dollars for it, you know, that which I'd rather pay for it if I know that, I mean, what you got to think about this, if they banned DJI drones, right? But you can use the other ones. You're, you're, what is it, what's the word for it? It's obsolete and you're, you're, you can't, you're not going to get your resale value back out of it. It's going to be work. I mean, it's going to be worthless. Yeah. How many of them's on the market and then you can't get, I mean, you can sell it to some foreigners. Can't buy, but so many of them, you know, exactly. Well, I mean, it's not even that they just like if just to try to find somebody even around here that should want to buy it, you know, and that's it just depends on to how the, how it would be policed in, you know, because so when I, when I fly that drone, they have, they have something called a remote ID now. It tells everything. It tells the, the, you know, the numbers off the drone. It tells my location, tells who owns the drone, tells where the drone's at, how far from the remote it is. They know everything when you fly a drone, like, you know, they're having it sent back to them. They know the information. So if, if something like that really happened, it's not like you're just going to be a rebel and do it anyway. Like they're going to have the information. They want to know when you're flying that thing too. And they're going to send it and say, Hey, these aren't supposed to be operated on over American soil. Yeah. Exactly. So is the, with the ban of DJI, is that like statewide or is that countrywide? Well, it's nationwide that be all that we're talking about, but there are individual states that have also made some state calls and North Carolina's obviously not one of them. As far as I know, and I'm not an expert on this, as far as I know, all the states that have ban them or just banning them for government use. So like police department, fire and rescue stuff like that can't use them. And they're, they're having a fit about it. Wait a minute. Did you say this, they can't use them with the police can't use them? Yeah. Yeah. In certain places. It's my understanding. Like for like fine and missing persons. Yeah. And they're, they're having a fit about it because they're saying it's costing lives because the other equipment's just not. It's not up to the date. It's not. Yeah. I mean, we have a hill of a technology here. I mean, which I did see, um, my supplier, I talked to my supplier about it just a, I'm about three months ago or something. I said, and the look, I said, if this does happen or, um, if I want to, you know, bring other operators on under me or whatever, I said, what, what other options are there other than DJI products? And they said they're not any, I mean, that's my supplier and he'll sell me whatever I want to buy. He said, I said, there's people buying some of these other ones. And he said, it's like, it's been six months and they still haven't even received their draw. They ain't even manufactured it yet. Are you serious? Yeah. Good Lord. We'll see. Like I did see that video of, um, where Mike called the, he wasn't, he called the police or whatever, because they were in the middle of search and rescue at, or they're trying to find this person. And he's like, Hey, let me fly my drone. I will find them. Yeah. I mean, is it really that accurate that quickly that you could, if they're, he's like, if they're in the area, I will find them. If the laser day when you absolutely see everybody and everything, so foliage is your biggest. Politics big concern. If you're that your biggest problem, yeah, other than the animal not being dead. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of times, you know, I like to say a lot of the deer that we went on, um, I, I wouldn't find them and I find them still alive because they wouldn't go all that incredibly far and they'd bed down. Yeah. So most of them were found, they just wasn't necessarily found dead, but, um, but if the foliage is down, I mean, honestly, um, it, it sticks out like a sore thumb. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't miss it. And the foliage is down. Now early season, September hunting, it is a lot harder in the woods. There's no doubt about that. And so the south, we have foliage to, I mean, it can be December and certain parts. Yeah, it depends a lot on where you hunt and, um, so, you know, so, you know, I'm from Burke County. So from Burke County and I spent a long time in Wilkes County. I grew up in Wilkes County and I'd say Burke County, Wilkes County, that general area. It the leaves don't have to be down. They just need to be starting that process of thinning. So I would say late October, late to me in October, you know, there's still a lot of leaves on the trees in early November, yeah, those counties, but they're thinning, they're just starting, you know, okay. And once that process starts, you're generally okay. And so, and then you can go through January, February, March. And I would say up until about, cause this was a good test for me this year, trying to learn how far I could push it. And I would say it was up into May, um, before, I'd say early May before I started having a lot of trouble with spring green, like I could still see good. So what were you doing in May, were you just? I'm just testing. Just testing. Yeah. And it's own pets, you know? Okay. Okay. Yeah. So you have a lot of pets that you, a lot of pet calls it. Yeah. It's definitely growing. It's definitely a thing that's becoming more and more popular. So is this cool? Is this your full-time job? It is. It is now. Here's your full, your full-time job. And it's pretty lucrative. I'm, I'm assuming. Well, I mean, it's growing, it's growing all the time. I'd definitely see the potential in it, you know what I'm saying? Um, obviously I, I, I'd like to make more one when I make it now, but like it's, you know, I'm really excited for this deer season because I really think it's going to take off. I, I mean, there's a last year is my first year. I would say, I mean, I'm, I'm hopeful it double triple. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? Maybe God, who knows? And obviously this will launch well before deer season. So hopefully you can get some people that like that live around here that don't know who you are. You know, most of my calls are not even local because they don't know I'm here. Really? So how do they find you? I mean, do you have a Facebook and like Instagram stuff? I got a Facebook, um, just the website. How are you marketing yourself? Okay. I'm saying, um, word of mouth, a lot of word of mouth, a lot of business cards, a website word. I need to get better at video editing and get stuff out there. Like a YouTube channel or something like that. Stuff like I, I got to put more time into that. Um, I don't have a lot of times and probably it takes a ton of time to do all that stuff. But, um, because I've got a lot of good videos from last year season, but I haven't got them on public display yet, you know, and that's something I definitely got to work on. But, um, I do want to let me touch base. Um, you said something that cued me off. I definitely want to bring this up kind of for people to have in their minds to what, um, kind of things we can offer at least here in North Carolina. I said it is different different states, but, um, we're coming up, um, we, you know, terrible fault. We're told their season now. Yeah. Cause it right now it's June, uh, or this was July 1st, July 1st is tomorrow. So June the 30th, 31st, whatever it is, June, June 30th today. Yeah. So we got two months. So pre-season scouting, you know, by August, their horns are pretty much going to be what they're going to be. And, you know, done touched on, I can't see great in the foliage with the green up right now, but if them bucks are hitting the fields, you know what I'm saying, I can see them all day long. So if you, if you're hunting a property and that's got a lot of fields and you're expecting those deer to be in the fields in the evening, it's a great time to do some free season scouting. The kind of, you know, those are patterns will change a whole lot per season. Try to go ahead and get that hammer down. Now, like I said, obviously it's harder to see in the woods right now, but, um, so, you know, August and the beginning of September, great time to do some pre-season work with the neural. Once season starts, obviously you've got carcass recovery, but like I said, you can fly during deer season as long as it's, you wait to the next day to hunt. And then, um, as far as a scouting herd analysis, scouting herd analysis, let me, let me talk a little bit about what all that can tell you. I can tell you. If you do the herd analysis side of it, I can tell you your buck to do ratio, your deer density, how many fawns is on the property, how many mature bucks is on the property, um, your, kind of your age structure, like what are you looking at? You know what I'm saying? Like, you got a whole bunch of year and a half bucks and, uh, you know, maybe a several two and a half year old bucks, but you got this many that's definitely mature, they're four and a half plus, you know what I'm saying. And, um, and I assume you have a chart for all that stuff that you can fill out for the customer. We, we, we just fill it out as we fly. And then when, when the acreage is done, we, we evaluate it and break it on now your predators and where the predators are at, um, just any deep, you know, and it's really up to the customer what they're the most focused on, but I have a generic form that we kind of track everything, you know, and then you can look back at all the data when you're done. And I can tell you this right now, at least in certain places and maybe not everywhere, but at least certain places in North Carolina, there is way more deer in this state than the wildlife department, thanks for this. And I can tell you that because I'm seeing them and they're there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I can only imagine, I can only imagine actually how many deer, I mean, because they have the, I mean, used to in the book, they put bucks per square mile, deer per square mile and well, you know, every, every five years or so, they come out with the deer density maps for your county in the state. And I'm going to tell you that, um, some of them maps are wildly wrong. Yeah. And it depends on where you're at, you know, um, certain places in the county can make a big difference. And if anybody from the wildlife is listening, I would love to get in on that and start doing your reports for your state, you know what I'm saying? That'd be cool. Because then I can fly two or three, whatever, three or four pieces of property in each county, you get the average and then you got way more accurate data. I wonder if they're flying or like, if they're, if they're getting their numbers from state land or if they're getting it from private land. I don't know. That would be a good question to ask somebody like that. Like, well, whenever it comes up to deer density, where, where are they testing this stuff? Well, here's a good, here's a good story I can do. And so my dad, um, the place I grew a pun in the mountains in Wilkes County, um, he, you know, he's been complaining for years now, I don't hunt the fire anymore. He's been complaining for years that there just ain't no deer up there anymore. And, um, back in 2012, they had, um, deer disease, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it just, it just decimated them. But since then, um, and my theory is, is that the population in their area was just devastated. And then that was right around the same time the bear population exploded in the same area. And they're just, I believe they're eating so many phones that the deer are struggling to repopulate back up to the numbers they were before. Now, you talk about bears or just, I'm talking about like bears are eating phones. The phones. Yeah. Cause, cause there's so many bears up there now. Yeah. And, um, you know, I mean, there's a lot of people that there see as many bears as they do deer. Yeah. And, um, yeah, Wilkes County bear population is, is insane. I mean, um, like I was talking to, uh, I was thinking about going to Canada on a bear hunt. Kurt and I were talking, I was like, man, I want to go to Canada on a black bear hunt. But it's kind of like, why would you leave Iowa to come to Illinois to deer hunt? Yeah. Exactly. It's like you're leaving one of the best bear hunting States. World record black bear here. Yeah. Yeah. We were leaving one of the best black bear hunting States in the country, in the world. Mm hmm. 30 minutes from my house, there's, I mean, there's a 616 pound bear kill with a 22 magnum. Just 30 minutes from here. 30, 45 minutes. Now, have all, all your tracks been on deer or has it been? Yeah. They have all been deer so far. No bears or anything. No bears. Yeah. But I'm figured that's going to come eventually. So, okay. They're running the bear. Okay. This would be, this would be pretty crazy. But now this, well, it would fall into the, it would fall into that. You can't, you can't hunt it the same day, but these, these bear dogs, these guys that have their guys that have bears, you know, bear dogs and everything like that. So I do it. Do we drop the dogs here? Do we drop the dogs there? I mean, you got nothing but laurels and rhododendron, but you know, then, you know, there's a, there's a next day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be tough. But bears, which, and bears are huge travelers. They're not like a, you're not like a whitetail. They're in travel. I seen a big one that crossed the road in front of me the other day. Actually, it's just, it was a, it, well, to me big, I don't really know much. That's what I was getting ready to show you, um, my, um, one of my cousins actually hit a bear with his car the other day. And it was a pretty, it was an 18 year. Yeah. Like going toward forgatin. At the county line. I don't know that it was in between Wilkesboro and Lenore. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty close to the county line. Yeah. And I was going to show you a picture of it. It's pretty nothing big bear for this time of year. Let's see. I saw what somebody sent me a snapchat or one other day. I don't know what it went necessarily, but how about that mess up his car? Good. How did the good one? You could tell that's a big bore. There'll be this time of year. You know what I mean? That's a big bore. You can stuff. God, look at the head on that thing. I mean, I don't, dude, I don't, I can't even begin to guess. Like what? Black bears weigh. Stuff like that. Without a length measurement is really hard. Yeah. I can't. I don't know. Like I said, I'm a white tail hunter, dude. I'm not a bear hunter. I mean, if, if I'm deer hunting and a bear, you know, comes in and it's illegal, you know, it's, it's, it's that time of year mid to late October and if he comes in, I'm going to shoot it, you know, but I don't know, I guess because I hate them so bad. Mm hmm. And what to do. I mean, because, you know, if we can bait here in North Carolina and if I would throw out a bait pile and a bear will absolutely overtake it whenever they found it. Absolutely. God. I got four or five bears in, in one picture of an ash county. It was, well, I know somebody that, well, let me go back to my story. So I was going to fly on my dad's property and look at his deer density. Well, we went up there and I actually talked to one of the neighbors because I was talking about the bears being surprised about a bear. He had eight bear in one picture, you know what I'm saying? And so we flew the property and 430 acres is what we flew and then 430 acres they had, I want to say it was 18 or 19 deer, which doesn't sound that bad on the surface. That's terrible. But when you look at how many bait piles and how many deer stands that are scattered across that area. Mm-hmm. I flew 50 acres at my house and saw 20 there and 50 acres. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. So just comparison here. Yeah. That's okay. So that shows you like sometimes small properties are better than big properties because they're more confined and concentrated. I would be interested. I want to have you do it probably before deer season comes. I've got a piece of property. I want you to fly and main reason being is because I've always been a firm believer that it is a travel property. The deer do not live there, but there is a 35 acre cut over, right? And it's now about a 10 to, I think it's 15 year cut over now. And I've always said there's deer don't live in that cut over like what me and my buddy think. You know, I don't think that they live in it as much as we think. You can find out. That's what I want because I really think there's... Because it will surprise you. I've learned that. I'll show it to you. About deer movement. So I flew a cut over near mom and daddy's house and that cut over is actually behind my uncle's house. Which by the way, a cut over is the best thing you could ever do for a deer population. There wasn't that many deer in the cut over like you would expect, but there was a butt ton of deer bedded just outside the cut over around the perimeter. Just outside. Just outside. I wonder if it's because a deer can't escape a cut over like a can of water or a laurel ridge because of his swiss dead fall. That's interesting. I mean, that place is thick too. You can't hardly walk through it. It's thick. Well, see, I just picked up a piece of property in the mountains. It's 100 and we talked with the guy today. It's 120 acres and he's got 60 acre cut over all that. That would be interesting. It was cut in 2006, so it's almost a 20 years, 18 year cut over. So I'd be interested in combining the deer trails through that thing. I have never seen so much deer sign in my life going through a cut over. Which I freaking hate going through cut over. And that's a beautiful thing about a drone. Let me explain that too. Oh, because I've got that question a lot last year. People's trying to understand foliage versus thickness versus cut over. But you can see in and what you can't see in. So what I have trouble with is when the leaves are on the canopy. So the forest floor can be fairly open. But if there's a bunch of big hardwoods with a big canopy that's hanging way out over and the leaves are full, that's actually what gives me the trouble is those leaves. Like a clear cut that's 10, 15 years old and it's got a lot of small spindly trees. And you can't see nothing, you know, out in front of you, you might not be able to see five yards in front of you. But when you're elevated in the air and you're looking straight down, it's like looking over a bunch of poles. You know what I'm saying? Or like a cornrow. Like cornfields, cornrows. You can't see through them. But when you're elevated and you're looking down, it's golden. I mean, it's perfect, you know what I'm saying. So the best way I can describe it is if sunlight can touch the ground, you can see good. If you're in like a lot pine, like planted pines, that's what gives you more trouble. Something like that's what gives you more trouble because there's never like any sunlight that hits the ground. And that's why there's no like, there's no plants at the base of those pines because it's like there is just dark all the time, you know, and so that's kind of what gives you more trouble per se. Now, obviously on the eastern North Carolina, South Carolina, like where it's nothing but but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It depends on the type of pines too. But black pines versus white pine, you know, it's well, white pine is thicker. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. White pine would definitely be thick. It grows taller and a lot of thicker. I would be interested to see because I have a couple properties that have. If you got pines mingled in the woods, it ain't a big deal because you can just fly around. So what I do is I get, you know, I fly around in a circle essentially and you're looking at it from the different angles. And you know, as long as you can go around it in a circle, you can get an angle in there to see. But when it's just like planted and it's just like pine after pine after pine after pine. Like somebody called me last year and they had 300 acres and it was all pie 100% pie. Like I probably would have called them don't go on this one. Okay. Okay. So that's a good transition there. Where should I call you versus where should I call a dog? Um, if you're in, if you're in big, you know, if you're in timber when the foliage is up, you might want to call a dog. So if I shoot a deer open a day in the gut, now I don't mean I can't find it with the drone because I do, I do see deer. I do see animals in the woods when they're drawn, when the leaves are up, but I know I miss deer. I know I don't see everything because I can fly, like I said, my house and see 50 deer. And then I can fly when the leaves are up and I'm like, I'm all seeing all them down. I'm seeing some of them. I can see them all. You're seeing them in the big, in the open patches where there, where there ain't too many tree stumps. Yeah. So, so if it's early season, that that's kind of a more of a time you might want to call a dog and we just got to talk about it, evaluate it. Now if you're, if you're a big field country, you'll get a lot of fields and stuff and you know, I can find it. Just find it. It ain't going to make no difference if you think deer is in a field somewhere. You know, another time you might want to call a dog is if you're in like a swamp, you're in big water, you know, lots of water, deep water, because if that, which dogs also have trouble in swamps, but if that deer submerges in the water, get what I'm saying, it's going to cool the deer much quicker. And if he's completely submerged, I can't see him at all in it. So if you're, if you're in a place with a lot of water and you believe he's under the water, then that can be a problem. Okay. Okay. So basically that's too major, but minor. It's depending on how you look at it. I kind of look at it as like minor things. So pretty much I just, I'm speaking for what I think is the everyday Joe is, is. And I will tell you this, I had a guy last year, has a good, a good example. We looked, we looked where he thought the deer was. We looked, we looked all in this cut over, did ranked deer ain't there. We looked all around. We looked everywhere deer ain't there. And he had a pretty big water river in the mom and I, I, I briefly flew over and kind of looked at it. You know what I mean? Didn't see the deer and I told the guy, I said, look, I said, we've looked everywhere. I said that deer's got to be in the water. It's got to be. Well, there's nowhere else for him to be. If it was a leaf wound, he's in the water. Early season, late season. It was late season. It was like, late stages. Okay. And, and he, and I said, I highly advise you to walk his water the next day, you know, it's daylight and just make sure that he's not in there. He was. And he was tucked up under, I saw a top top of the guy after the fact he was tucked up under a bank. He said there's no way you could have seen him based because there was earth between you and the deer. Because he was up in that bank, but we knew we found out he was there because he wasn't anywhere else. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But, but so I do advise people if, if we're not successful and you've got big water around, you know, you might want to walk big water. Now, I mean, it's a lot of small streams. Yeah. I mean, that's nothing. Unless it's a new river or whatever, or we'll talk like, well, see, like, I'm just trying to like speak for the little guy that doesn't have a whole lot of money, but won't sing. Because it goes hand in hand, you know, a dog, a dog has things that it can do way better than a drone. A drone that has a lot more features that a dog can't happen, you know, can't, don't, doesn't have, you know, I'm trying to think of like, okay, that's been $400 of you, right? We don't find it. Now I got to spend another four to $500 to hire a dog. And so like, that's where that's a question, you know, because I know that there's dog people out there say, I wouldn't use that drone because I could do this, this is my dog can do this. And then you wouldn't believe the hate I get from some of them. Not all of them. Now, I mean, I've talked to the dog people who are like, it's a hill of a thing. So guy I met in Virginia, he has a dog. He's a great guy, knowing very well, he's going to buy a drone. He said, while I'm running that dog, he said, I want to train my son to, he said, with the drone, they can track or they walked everything. He said, you know, because in a dog, the dog is going to chase a deer or whatever and he can see what's going on before he gets to it with the dog. Exactly. Exactly. And that that's kind of like his idea and I mean, because it's, it's just another tool. Yeah. Well, I've highly considered, I'm not anti dog. I've highly considered getting a dog in addition to the drone. My biggest hold up right now is my son is very allergic to dogs. And that's really my biggest hold up is because he just, he can not have like we had to get rid of our German Shepherd because our German Shepherd was in the house. He couldn't handle it. We kicked the German Shepherd outside. He still couldn't handle it because his hair was blowing in the wind. We ended up having to get rid of the dog altogether. So that's my biggest hold up on it. I think that's a smart idea. I really do. Because it would no longer be thermal drawing services events. It'd be just deer or services, you know, it's just a tool, I mean, like, I don't know. That's the two, that's the two biggest things I can see of when dogs really shine would be early season. Foldage. Yeah. Foldage. And I mean, a dog, a dog works the best when, when the ground is there, damn right. What's early season? I mean, you have the, the, the evening rains, whenever it's hot down here in the south and you've got, I mean, it's constantly just feels like humid. So those dogs can find that thing quick. Well, and to talk about another situation where, you know, to take into consideration, if you, if you've went out there looking for deer and you've got, you've contaminated the ground where your scent walked back and forth over trails half a dozen times and you've disturbed the area a lot as a human, a lot of, and I'm not saying over dog, you know, but a lot of dogs will have trouble on that track because you've screwed it up. Hunters air. It's not the dog there. It's a hunter's air. So, so, you know, if you've done that, you might want to lean towards a drill because it's like that dog may have, get out there and have trouble because I mean, I've talked to several, um, like I've been tracking this deer for six and a half, seven hours. I've, I've lost, finally lost blood, well, a dog is going to have a tough time. If you've went a mile past it, well, I mean, dog will still find it, you know, in a lot of ways, I know, but well, if a deer is not, we talk, well, I think we briefed on that, but if a dog's not dead, I mean, dog, a deer is not dead, a dog can push them, you know what I mean, and just keep pushing them. And that's the beauty of the drone is you can see it, you can see what happened. You can see what the shot is. It may be a case. You just need to get out of there and give him 24 hours and he ain't going to get back up. How long can you go with that deer, what, when it dies, how long do you think that you can go? Like what do you believe that you can find signatures on that deer? Hey, it's, it's, um, I guess time, time of year. It's an art. It's not a science for sure. Well, to know exactly how long you can go, but I tell people you're good for it. And my, my qua deer drone seems more optimistic about some of it than I do, but I say at least 24 hours in least now I've heard some people say 36 heard some people say 48, I've heard some people say 72, I've heard, I've heard all kinds of numbers be thrown out. But I think it really depends on the weather conditions a lot is what I think it depends on. It depends on how long to get your diet to, because when people close some of those real like lengthy time frames, it's like, well, that deer lived for 24 hours after the shot. Of course it was still warm, you know what I'm saying? Because he wasn't dead the whole time. So I take it on a, the clients on a case by case basis, I talk to where he died is a big thing too. Cause if there's a big open spot and like in a cut over, a son just shining down, beating down on him. Yeah. If he's in the water, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of variables and I try to talk to him case by case basis. I try to get a good, I talked to the hunters a lot about the shot placement. I try to get a good feel for where we think this deer is hit. So then we can kind of estimate, you know, how long it's going to take him to expire. How long is he going to show heat for and everything? I say 24 hours in all cases is good to go. I found some deer last year pushing that mark and still had plenty of heat on them. And we were confident they died pretty much immediately. One of the deer didn't go, but about a hundred yards, but a hunter couldn't find him because there was no blood on the ground whatsoever. He shot him through the shoulder with an arrow and there was a, not an exit wound and there was just simply no, but it was kind of high. There was just, it was angled down, but there was just no blood on the ground. Deer didn't go a hundred yards. He died it. We felt like he died immediately, you know, very much immediately and, but he still had plenty heat left after about the 24 hour. Yeah. And sassa. But, but it's, it's hard to, you can't just promise it in all cases. So that's why I say you're good to go for at least 24 and maybe maybe in perfect conditions you're going. I mean, couple of days down the road, you'll be able to find that deer in perfect conditions. No problem. And there was, there was one call I did for a guy last year and he shot it the evening during the night before and I went the next morning and looked for it and it was super cold. Oh, shoot. I can't realize like single digit. It was super. It was one of the coldest days of the year, you know, and I found that deer, you know, didn't have a lot of trouble finding it. It was near water, but it wasn't in water, so now I found that a lot. I find that when we tell you that too, a lot of deer I find may be near water, but they're not necessarily in water. Okay. So the age old, if a wounded deer, wounded deer goes to water, did you see that a lot? Yeah. I try to a lot of times they either go either go to water or they go back to the bed. Really? Yeah. I mean, one of the two, but this particular deer, he wasn't as bright hot as other deer I'd found just because it was so bold, chill and cold that night, but he still had plenty of heat for me to find him and see him, you know, I mean, 12 hours later and actually the guy, so it was two guys like the hunter and like his buddy, his buddy was like, how did you see that like it wasn't red like it's supposed to be in, you know what I mean? It's just once you look at it enough, once you're experienced enough with it, it's more about looking for stuff that's out of place. It's different. It's different. And it's like, well, that wasn't like everything else around it, so I had to check it out and that was just both. Yeah. That's pretty. I mean, just seeing, seeing that on that monitor, what you showed me, it's insane. I look, say I'm for it, I've always been for it, because like I said earlier, I'm for doing everything you can to find the deer. I've just always been a dog guy, which I've thankfully, there's been times that I wish that I had the money to call a dog or there's been time or like drones would have been there a long time ago, you know, because I've shot deer that couldn't find. Well, everybody that hunts, everybody that hunts for mature bugs, when you sit back and think about the time and the money that you're putting into this, what's a couple hundred extra dollars? I mean, you've spent so much on fuel, on corn, on cameras, on batteries, on this and that, trimming lanes, hanging stands, it's all your efforts for an entire year come down to just a few weeks. And a lot of times your property is not set up for early season and late season hunting. So it just depends on how your property is laid out. But you've got just a few weeks of a whole, everything you've done comes down to this. And most of the time, and when you're talking about a big butt, you get one chance. You don't get multiple chances. Yeah. And if something goes wrong, which it always does, if something goes wrong, what the heck is another $400 to find that deer? If you're going to get a mounted, that's going to be $500, $600 anyway, so I'm going to spend $400 that you can find the butt, there's no brainer. There's not many people that, there's a, here's something that I've learned, you know, they've got an older, there's not many people that's going really harp on just a couple hundred dollars to find a deer. They're going to say, okay, if I shot my deer an hour this year, I mean, and he would have got away or if I had hit him bad, I would have went and got a loan from the bank if I had to. I had one guy on the last year. I go panhand off. I had two. He called me out twice for the same butt, same season. He shot him, actually had a few people, and it was funny enough. That was like that last year. Here's an ice buck, I'll show you a video of him here, and it was here in Western, you know, not too far away from where we're based out of, and he'd been hunting by far the biggest deer on the property that he'd seen, you know, had in history of, but he shot the buck. Let's see, I'm going to make sure I get the story right, he shot the buck, and the first time, first time I think he found blood, but he couldn't find him. He found the buck, but he was clearly not dead, you know, he was not even hurting, he was running hardcore, and he wouldn't slow down long enough first to really look at him good because he was on the hook, he was getting, and then a few weeks later he shot him again, and he called me the second time, he said, "I don't even know if I hit him to be honest with you." He said, "I can't find blood," he said, "but I can't believe I just missed him." And he said, "I can't believe I just missed that deer," and that time we found the buck again, and he obviously wasn't hurt, he was obviously fine, and then the third time later on, near the end of season, he sent me a picture of him where he finally killed him, they killed him on the third drive. And the third time was the genre, there you go, that big one? Oh yeah, you got it. Oh well, my internet's not working in your basement, I guess, or maybe it's that airplane mode I'll show you later. But it's pretty solid, but for around here, you know, like giant, but it is a solid. So okay, so he paid minimum 800 bucks, you know, just because, I mean, so that's just like in my head, you know, what is the deer cause to you? And like with, I mean I know there's been a lot of controversy and stuff like that over the drones and dogs versus dogs, what's better, I do like the fact that it's less invasive. That's where I think it sets it apart from dogs, is it's just less invasive. I don't really see other than the water thing, I don't really see where a dog will, I don't see where a dog is better. Anyway, and this is the foliage thing, that's really the only time, and when money is really the utmost concern, a lot of times you can find dogs, a little cheaper. Now then you get into how well it's the quality of the dog, and you know, I don't know, you know what I'm saying, everybody's, you know, dogs are different, just like drones are different. No, no, you know, depends on how well they're trained. A 100 acre property, how fast can you find a deer on it? Depends on, in perfect conditions, in late November or December, flat. Like wooded in cover, 100 acres of woods, I don't know, 20 minutes or less. Now if it's a field, is this, if it's these big fields, I can see a deer half a mile away in a field before even, yeah, I can see it out half a mile away before it can get up on it. So you pretty much know instantly how deer is in fields. That's the reason why they got to, that's, that's kind of like the reason why they're, they're wanting to regulate so much of it, like not being able to use a drone the same day you hunt. Yeah, exactly. Hmm. Well, and I'll tell you this to, it was just a thought I had it kind of changing gears a little bit. You don't want to bother other people when they're hunting either. I did have a guy last year, I was looking for a deer for somebody, and I stumbled on another guy, he was hunting in his deer stand, you know, and I looked at, about the time I saw him, I looked at my camera at him, he was looking at me with his rifle scope, and I don't, I don't necessarily think he was going to try, shoot, I think you just look at me, you know, and so I just kind of got out of there, I didn't want to bother a guy, you know what I mean? Well, yeah. I ain't trying to bother a guy. Yeah. And so I just had kind of had to work around him, but you can cover so much ground so quickly. Yeah. Really you can. It was just a block of timber behind my house was 26 acres, and I mean, it was like instant. We saw a couple deer, and it was instant. They're either there or they're not. That's, I mean, that blows my mind in like in, but, and it's so valuable for like, because people think, I heard people think they got their property figured out, and then we come and fly, and it's like, it's not the story they thought, they was a big old buck up in the mountains. I just, I guess my videos aren't working because any connected to the internet, I'll show you that later. It was a big old eight-mourner with Carolina standards in the mountains. And the guy said, he wanted me to come out and fly and see where, you know, he couldn't kill us deer. He said the deer, he kept getting pictures of them daylighting on a regular basis, except for the days he hunted. Every day he hunted, the deer would not come out. And he said, this deer obviously has me figured out, he said, but I can't figure out how he's figured me out, because he said, the deer's bedding over here. This is where is that. My stand's over here. This is my entry route. He said, I have no idea how this deer knows when I'm there and when I'm not. So I went up there and I flew his property, and the deer wasn't bedding where he thought it was, at least it wasn't the day we flew. That deer was bedded within 100 yards of his deer stand. He said, and that deer literally watched me walking up the mountain with my flashlight going to my deer stand. They can see him a lot, they used to close. Well, that's why deer wasn't coming out. Yeah. He was completely the opposite of what he thought. Yeah. So that's huge for the herd analysis. So that's what he said. He said, I've got to rethink my whole everything. This whole setup's got to be re-nutting, you know, and that happens a lot more than what people think. Like, when you think you have a big deer figure now, he won't throw a wrench in everything that you got. Well, that's... And I've seen deer bedding in places you don't necessarily think they'll be bedding? Mm-hmm. You know, because traditionally you think, you know, it's got to be a really thick place, and yes, I do see deer in thick places. But like, I personally have been surprised at the amount of mature bucks I've seen in open places. I think a big buck will bed on the edge of the thick, because he wants to be able to see and hear and smell, and the thicker it is, the less he can smell. I mean, you got too much foliage, you know, he can't smell. And if he's... I mean, deer, they use their nose more than anything. I mean, they can see, unbelievable, and they can hear, unbelievable, but their nose is the number one thing. So I mean, in those thick, like, like around here where we have a lot of thickets everywhere, I used to think, man, that's where the deer are bedding, right in the middle of that wall, thinking, that's actually in the edge of it, like wherever they can escape quickly to get to it, but they can also, if something comes in from the thick, they can run fast, you know, and get out. And that's a big misconception of what I've learned is I've gotten older. And, you know, now we have the technology between like these draws. Exactly. Exactly. Because... Well, here's a good example. There's a buck near my house, and a pretty good buck, I'd like to kill him, you know. He spends too much time on the neighbor's property, not on mine, and he's bedding where he's bedding out is within 100 yards of the guy's house. He beds John the Point where the woods and the field meet within 100 yards of his house, and he's overlooking his house. There's a group of doves that bed within visual line of sight of my house. So when I go, there's a field there in my house when I hunt, you know, that's just one of them places I can get in and out of, you see. You know, it's not necessarily a place that I would trophy buck, you know what I'm saying? But it's a place I can get in and out quick, I can get it out, and I thought I could get in and out undetected, and them deer are literally within visual line of sight of my yard, so they can literally watch me, walk to my deer stand. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, that's... I gotta have you come up here at my properties, and I've got four or five properties I want you to kind of look at, because I don't do a lot of scouting myself, because I've been hunting a lot of these same properties for years, I mean, ever since I was a kid, I know I have five properties that I've hunted since I was 10 years old, or like my dad hunted them and things like that, and so I don't really scout those properties at all, because I just hunt off a memory. But there's a lot of times like, oh, okay, the acres are falling here. This time of year, this is where the deer is going to be, and I'm completely wrong. I know I am. It can't be right all the time, and I guess if I assume if I scout them more, and that's where I think that... That's the place the drone shines is when you acquire new properties, and you're trying to learn stuff. Like I literally just picked up 120 acres two weeks ago. Because like you said, you learn every year a little bit more pieces of the puzzle, and after you've been on a property for years and years and years, you know, you pretty well, for the most part, get it figured out. But when you got a brand new property, it's a lot of trial and error usually for a few years. Takes off a guessing game. And you can just kind of go ahead and get right into it, you know what I'm saying? So how accurate do you think your reporting is just off of one day of scouting? Yeah, it depends on when you fly, you know what I'm saying? See, I'm wondering if it's like... If you're flying during the rut, books could be here there and everywhere. Yeah. I'm just like, if you're doing like a scouting or a herd analysis, you know, well, herd analysis would be more accurate, obviously, because that's what's here right now. But like pre-season scouting, right? You fly on that property now, foliage is in a way, everything like that. So what are you going to do to combat if somebody does call you out for pre-season scouting stuff, like being able to fly over all these properties, what are you going to do to combat like, oh, well, couldn't really hardly see any deer because it's a really thick area. Yeah. It's got to be... It's got to be... It's got to be... It's got to use common sense. That's kind of talk to them. Like I would assume that maybe you want to come out there more than once, but to be able to confirm the data that you have. And that's where, like, is it a, hey, listen, you pay this price, I will come out three times. Yeah. I will come out three times to your property. I need to be more accurate, that way. Yeah, because obviously the more times that you go, so drop people like scout on a daily basis or a weekly basis because they want to, okay, is what I'm seeing confirming that. Like, all right, this book, every time I've flown over here, he's been bedded here, he's been using this ridge, like, is that something that could possibly be a thing in the future that you do? Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I'd be open. I could do like a bunch, some sort of bundle pack, a drill deal with somebody, you know what I'm saying? The scouting is all about accuracy, you know, and I'm like, and no one would. Scouting is obviously you're trying to find the animal. Now a good solution to get around the foliage, I would tell you that. Now it sucks in a way because it pushes you back to the following deer season, but post season, January, February, March, great time. Oh yeah, I mean, that's when people will do most of our scouts when they're sat on. You can see everything in our area, most of the deer hold their horns for a good while, anyway. All the way to March, April. Yeah. I've seen deer with horns and, I mean, late April. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, you get to see so much because you get around the foliage issue then, but then that date has been applied directly to the next deer season, obviously. Have you seen? Okay. It's been a whole year to get your stands picked out to get, you know, to get everything tweaked to get ready. I'll be interested to see, you know, after you've been doing this for a couple of years, the data off of where you fly in January, February, March and get that scouting report then and how it aligns with early season, scouting, like in August, July and August. I understand there's foliage and stuff in the way, I know it hinders you big time, right? But are the deer bedding in the same places? Because a lot of people, they do their pre-season scouting or they do their scouting after season them. That's huge for shed on them. Like, this is where the big bucks were, you know, because this is where they spent their time now. But how does that align with early season deer hunting? Is it? Is it? The same or is it where it stands? Or is it completely different? Is it the deer, because I mean, we all, I mean, if you've been hunting long enough, you have new deer show up after the rut, at least I do, I have some properties where I have a big buck shows up after rut. Does he stay? And what's he going to do whenever he's here or does he summer here? Does it, where does he summer? Where does he fall? Where does he winter? Because it, and in my head, a lot of it is food, it's food-based. And so these deer are going to be where the food are, especially in the wintertime. And yeah, like food plots are so huge and things because they can last all the way until the burn off and to, yeah, to you, you know, tail it back up. And that's, that's just something that I would be completely interested in trying to learn is how it aligns from post deer season to the next deer season. I wonder if that would be a package, like, hey, I will come here in January or I'll come here in January, February, and then I'll come here in August and we're going to see where this aligns because then everything in between because you know, you know how it is, you've been deer hunting long enough to know that once, once the acres drop, the deer completely changed. Whenever the buck strips their velvet, they completely changed and start going in their fall patterns. The tarps, the oaks change everything. Yep. Yep. Are the red oaks falling this year? Or did the white oaks even produce it all? And then, okay, how many doves do you have on your property to be able to tell you is this buck going to stay here during the road or so you're going to leave? Yeah. Because I'm a firm believer a buck goes to the same area every year. I think so too. Absolutely. I have a crazy thought. I think a buck will breed the same dough year to year. I never really took it that far, but I have read some articles and I'm not saying that I buy into this solely, but I think the general premise of it is accurate, you know, and the where they've done studies and they were claiming a year to the date that deer would be in the same spot at the same time so they would go as far to say I had a trail camera picture of this deer in the daylight at noon day on December 13th. December 13th, the next year, they would be hunting noon day at the same stand and they swear that it works. I don't know that I believe it's that perfect because there's a good pressure. I'm going to believe it, but I say they're in the area for sure. Yeah. I mean, as long as the pressure is the same, everything's the same as it was a year before, but I am a firm believer that there's a guy, a good friend of mine, we have the same property, a big 400-acre track, and two years in a row between November the 3rd and 5th, this buck has daylighted in this certain section. Well, we're usually always out of state that time of year, but this is a really big North Carolina deer. This is a very special North Carolina deer. I actually missed this deer with my bow, the third week of deer season this year. But November 3rd through the 5th, he shows up one of those days, right there, two years in a row, and the conditions were completely different than the year before. Well, I do think you got a couple of days of variance because you got a leap year and a second year. I don't say to the hour. There's no way that you can determine whether it's to the hour, whether it's to the day. You think that a bump dumber made it very slightly? Exactly. But I think a big mature buck, he's checking those areas right there for the same reason. He came there last year. He's going to go do the same. He's going to do the same. Same rounds. The same beds. These deer are smarter than we give them credit sometimes, but they're not as smart as we give them credit. So with that drone, okay, here's what would be interesting for the scouting report. If that is the case, if you have a big deer show up on a certain day, have that drone flying over the day before to see if that deer's even close to the area. I'm good. Let me see if he's even close to that area. I mean, deer can travel miles in a day, and it's no problem, but generally deer, they don't travel that far unless you're chasing a doe or something's chasing them. You know, and that'd be interesting. But I'm really, I really am. I'm really interested to see, and I'm going to do this next year, definitely. We'll have you come to a couple of my properties. Now, are you like charging per the day, or are you charging per the scouting? Let me tell you that. The scouting and herd analysis and the pet side, if you ever lose a dog or something, it is priced differently. You know, so the carcass recovery is just a straight 400. Yeah. The scouting is 250 to come out, and that's what, you know, travel time to and from. That's one hour in the air of looking, and then it's $100 additional an hour for every additional hour. So it just depends on how big your property is. Okay. You know, if it's. So if I have three or four properties that all within 10 miles of each other, it's fine. It's all okay. We can do that. So two fifties of the basin, and then after that's $100 an hour until you're, I'm done with you. And the same mileage structure. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. 75 cents a mile after 100 miles. Yeah. And that's, that's kind of, what's the farthest you've traveled? Oh man, I did two calls last year. I did a call down on the east side of Raleigh, and I was driving back and I had a call in Pennsylvania County. Oh, wow. So four hours, four hours. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good payday. Yeah. That's a good payday. I can see while you're doing to do it full time. I mean, do you get to hunt a lot? I mean, do you. I didn't hunt much at all last year, and that was my first season. So I can imagine this year is going to be even worse. Sesco had to be where you contract some stuff out. If as long as you can get past the, okay, they're not banning these drones or not doing this, we can do that. And as long as you can get past that, I mean, buy you another drone and hire somebody to get to do it. That's absolutely future plans down the road, you know, but I mean, I'm going to hunt some at my house just because it's quick, it's easy, but it's going to definitely put a hamper on my mature buck cut because it takes time to get into those, you know, those places. Well, and with the foliage thing in us, you should be able to get a lot more early season. Yes. And I think that'll be my, that'll be when I have to do it, I'll have to do it early because once the run hits, I think I'm going to be covered up. Every now and then. I mean, yeah, you're going to be making. It's got to, I've got to really hammer early season stuff. Well, you've got to think, I mean, from probably October 15th to December, well, probably like with the way the Caldwell season is usually toward that last bit of gun season and then it goes back to bow. But they're trying to land in the future. I saw that. This year. Yeah. Yeah, they are. And I'm not, I'm not seeing exactly what, I mean, I saw that they're going to push the, the gun season back starts the Saturday after Thanksgiving, now it's the Saturday before. And this is just certain parts of North Carolina or whatever. But, I mean, but just as far as you and being able to be busy, I mean, you got about six week window there. You're probably going to be working seven days a week. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had a call. Well, I mean, because, you know, I went on, you know, 24 or 30-ish calls last year. And I didn't even open up until right around, I want to say it was right around the first of November-ish. Yeah. I wanted to make sure, because it was my first year being in open, and I wanted to make sure I didn't, I found deer, I wanted to make sure I didn't lose them and I didn't have to deal with the foliage, because I wanted people to have a good taste in their mouth, you know. I needed to gain experience finding them because that was my first, you know, kind of actively looking for deer, you know. And so I waited until the leaves were thinning pretty good before I even opened up to the public last year. And I did, you know, 24 or 30 calls in six weeks or whatever it was, right? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, I mean, it was pretty much call day, I mean, almost, you know what I mean? Now, there were a few days in between on some of them, but I guess it was pretty much a call day. Have you done a lot for the scouting and herd analysis? Not as much as I think is, I don't think it's called on yet as far as the value of it, the value. Have you went on any calls this year? For scouting and herd analysis? Yeah. I've done a few. Yeah. I've not done a lot. Now, I had several people that said they wanted to wait until August right before deer season this year, and I've got them on a list at home, and I'm going to start hitting them up here before long, but you know, they wanted to wait till the next year season. They didn't want to do it last year. Yeah. I got you. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. All comes down too. I would assume probably to marketing yourself and just getting started to know and where you need to market yourself. Well, there's a lot of people that's nervous about the loss, you know, like I've had people, you know, online now, that's illegal. That's illegal. I'm like, no, it's not. You know what I mean? You just need to, you need to learn what the loss is, you know what I'm saying? And there's a lot of people that I think that's nervous about it because they don't, they don't really know. They see this stuff from out of state. That's one thing. I mean, I can't be thankful enough for my, and what all he's done for the industry. But like, I had a booth at the Dixie or Classic, you know, last year, and I cannot tell you the amount of people that came by the booth and said, that's illegal. That's illegal. I saw where they got somebody in Pennsylvania for that, you know, staying operation. And just because it's illegal in Pennsylvania, you don't mean it's illegal in the state. And I cannot tell you the amount of confusion, some of the general public has about it because they just don't have the game wardens have booth set to Dixie, Jared, Classic, you think that they're going to come up here and say, you can't do this year. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, that's what's everything, and you can't please everybody and people are not going to, like, I love the idea of, I don't, I mean, obviously if it's illegal, I'm going to say, hell no, you know, we didn't have it on the podcast, you know, yeah, I wouldn't risk it. But, and I'm not going to do anything illegal either, you know what I'm saying? It's your livelihood. So you make your money. It's how you feed your family. I take my drone and, you know, it's how you feed your family. You have to go back to a nine to five, you know, instead of a 24 hour a day job, you know. I love this. You know, that's why I wanted to do it. I don't get the deer hunt as much as I used to before we're getting to the drones as much as I used to is I got four kids and I thought, this is my way to like stay involved in it. Yeah. This is my way to do what I love. And who's to say your kids, uh, what's your oldest kid? Seven. Seven. So who's to say if, if you're still doing this 10 years from now that he's not, or one of your kids is not doing it with you? Yeah. He'll have a business opportunity. I mean, it really is it's, and who knows what the next best thing is, what it's going to be in trying to find deer, but it's always been dogs, always been dogs. I definitely think it's changing and going to change. Now, now I'm not saying that being, well, we talked about this quite a bit and that, you know, there's a place of time for a dog, but as a general rule, I think drones are going to surpass it as long as regular, as long as the laws don't get in the way that's going to surpass it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be interested to see kind of like where, where this goes and like, and it's not even as much for finding deer, more or less of the, the herd analysis, the scouting reports and, and things like that. And where's the next step past that, you know, and, and what you can do with this drone. And I'm, I mean, how I'm excited for you. Is there anybody else close to here where we are, any drama operator? Um, there's a guy in Shelby. It's not too far. Okay. Yeah. I don't have a half an hour for you. Yeah. So that's the closest guy. And then there's some, um, certain like, talk to these other people in the connections. I do. A lot of them. I know. Yeah. Okay. A lot of the first original ones. I know. You know what I mean? And there's been times where we've like passed people off to each other where it's like, you know, I can't drive five hours. I ain't got the time to day or, or, or the guy don't want to pay. You know, there's a lot of money when they're that far away. Yes. That's kind of, you know, we're, we're pretty kosher about things. Cause I'm like looking at like where you live versus where I hunt a lot, you know, it's over 50 miles. Mm hmm. I mean, where I hunt a lot from where my camper sits to my house right here is like 59 miles. Mm hmm. Now I'm definitely the closest to where you're at. Yeah. Cause I kind of know him. He had kind of where people are. Yeah. Yeah. That's, but I mean, it just depends if I shoot a big buck, you know, uh, it's a small price to pay. Yeah. And that's where I kind of like going back to what we were talking about earlier. Like it's a, it's a small price to pay to make sure that you do what's right by the deer. Well, it's okay. I don't even, I don't even care if I killed the deer. Mm hmm. Doin what's right by the deer and you're just what you're trying to do. And that's why I don't, I hate the fact that there's so many regulations on it because we're just trying to, hunters already have a bad name in, in the non hunting world, you know, and like, all you're shooting a helpless defense will say, well, okay, let me shoot this deer and then let me do what I can to find this deer. Mm hmm. Because if I like with the dog, you're spending more money on conservation than anybody else. Oh, God. Yeah. Just in whatever you buy your tags. Yeah. What do that do you? I mean, people. I care more about a deer's life than, I care more about a deer's life than any non hunter. Mm hmm. I mean, I was just telling that guy today, um, um, I mean, my buddy went up here and scouted the whole property and everything like that. And we were kind of talking, he's like, I want you to kill a bunch of those. He's like, I want you to kill every dough that you can. And I told the guy like, okay, you know, that's fine. But if it's got little ones, I'm not shooting it. He's like, why? I said, cause I have a heart. Mm hmm. Like I, like I will shoot a dough for, you want the best for the herd. Yeah. And, you know, you don't want to shoot a, yeah, okay. I love to kill it. Here's exactly how I put it to him. I said, I love to hunt and a big part of hunting is killing an animal, but I also love to do what's right by the deer. And that's where this comes into play afterwards, you know, because like aftercare for a deer is, it's the biggest thing about anything is like, don't let the deer go away. Don't want to do as much as you can. Exactly. And that's, I'm wondering what I'm going to, what I'll do is I'm going to test you one day. I'm going to shoot a deer and I'm not going to tell you when I shot it. Yeah. How long? I'm not going to tell you. I'm just going to see if you can find it and I'm, I'm, I'm going to hide it. Yeah. And I'm going to see it. That's where it would be interesting. Obviously I'm, I'm, I'm going to probably pull the guts out of it. Yeah. I'm, I'm going to go ahead and go ahead and get every bit of the meat and we'll keep the hide. It's kind of want to do it. I mean, have you ever done anything like that? I've tried a little bit of testing when opportunities have arrived. You just kind of look at it. I would really love to get some deer that's been hit by a car. If you knew exactly when the impact was, and then that way, because I could, you know, I could get it or whatever, but we could test it. How long does it show he got to get a, I mean, got to get a carcass tag, obviously from the. Yeah, you got to get a, that is right. Yeah. You got to get a carcass tag from the, from the NC. I mean, do you ever just like sitting at home and just start flying over places just to see if you can see. Well, there was a deer that was hit outside my house, none at one time. And so, but I didn't know exactly when it was hit, you know what I'm saying. It was like pouring cold rain, I mean, it was raining hard and it, it rained for a long time. I can remember it was like two days straight, just cold, hard rain and that deer went cold quick. I mean, honest with you, it did, but I think it was the conditions and I still don't know exactly because I just know when I first noticed the deer. I don't know when it was really hit because I might have drove by it two or three times and I noticed who knows, you know what I mean, because it was in a ditch, you know, what nested in the most hilarious places. Yeah. And, but that deer didn't show he good, but I think it was the conditions is my personal opinion. Yeah. And that, you know, it didn't show he'd as long as I would have lied. And see, I think that that would be a huge advantage over a dog in a lot of ways and I could be wrong. I don't have dogs. I have a cat and she's not going to find shit, you know, and, and I've had dogs growing up, you know, and smelling, but like just a day of rain, it'd be nice if it rained before you shot the deer and it stopped raining because that's what I mean. A dog is going to find a deer, but like 24 hours of solid porn ash rain, a deer still going to have thermals, but a dog may have a tough time smelling a dragon thing. Just too much. Yeah. That's. So there's so many advantages to doing the drone, like, and I'm glad. Thank you for getting I can explain that a little bit to people too, because I get that a lot. People are like, what? There's, you know, stiff as a board and, you know, he's, he, he ain't moving. Like, I mean, he's just like so stiff, he's just like, there's no heat in this deer, but it's gut. It's still cutting. It's internal. Still got that. He, that camera is so sensitive. You know, I can see the difference between tree branches and concrete and the bark on the tree, you know, that people don't actually have sensitive. What blew my mind is I was just like wiggling my finger and it was picking it up. Yeah. And it was 400 feet above or 300 was 300 feet above my head. And I was wiggling my finger and it was picking it up like on point and 300, not probably 390 feet. I fly just under 400 is what we're left, but, but yeah, I mean, it's just even the little, just anything on the inside of that deer, you know, you'll be surprised how long it is still show heat, even in cold conditions, you know, it's crazy man. Well, dude, we're approaching on two hours here. No, are we? Yeah. It doesn't seem like it feels like we've been in here talking like 30 minutes. Is there before we wrap this thing up, is there anything that you want to cover? Is there anything that you want to talk about anything that you're passionate about? You hate? Is there anything, you know, that you, that you just are thinking of, I think we covered nothing that I can just stands out to me at the moment. I know I'll think it's up my tralee. Well, see, I want to get you on, you know, as here in a few months, as deer season goes, you know, probably not in the heart of deer season because that's hopefully whenever you're making. Yeah, exactly. But I like, I want to get you back on. I want to hear, I mean, after your first year, how did it change from this year? How did it change, you know, change from this year to next year? I don't know the regulations on drawing stuff. I don't, I don't pay attention to it. I don't research it. I do care. I just don't have so many other things that I'm doing in my everyday life. And that's really why I like to have people like you on, because you can tell them me about them. You know, and I, I want to see, like, I want to hear some cool last stories. That's what we're going to do next time. I was like, I just want to. I've got a lot. I had a lot of stories from last year. I should have spent more time on it. But it was a blast. Oh, well, you know, you know, we can go down rabbit hole of just going through stories. And like I just want to, like, this one right here, kind of what, what, what you face on a day to day basis, you know, and, and kind of things. And I know we kind of went all over the place with it. And that's what I love. I mean, it's just just general, you know, but we'll do, Jared, let's, we'll strap this bad boy up again. What's the name of your business? Where can we find you? Get from there. Name is thermal drone services of NC. You can Google me. I will be listed on Mike's website this fall as well. I'm not right now this second, but I will be this fall, at least I'm going to try to try to be. And as part of his network, his part is network, because I just did my own thing the first season. Um, I do have a YouTube channel, it is bare bones, it's just getting started. So hopefully it's going to get a lot better as time is on because, like I said, it hadn't had a lot of time to hit it and really do, you know, do with the videos. I'll show you some of the stuff here on that after we're done, but, um, but the main thing's a website right now and I am on Facebook, but I am on YouTube, but those, those things are just getting started, you know. Good. Well, I mean, I'm going to plug all that stuff, you know, and then, um, I'm just looking forward to, you know, having you come do some stuff for me. I'm excited about it. I want to, I just want to try it out. It's fun. It's a blast. I get into it with them. I always want people to tell me after the fact what happened because I want to know the full store. Well, I mean, if you, if you're there from start, maybe you're there from Phoenix and that's, that's probably what I'll do is one of them properties. Like I said, I'm just going to, I'm going to test your abilities, honestly, because, I mean, you can show me here what you did, you know, just right here by the house and, but I just want to see you like what these things really can do. So I'm looking forward to it. Jared, dude, thank you. Uh, thank you for getting on with us. And I know it's not quite their season yet, but, uh, when it comes time, go make one deck tighter, boys. Ha ha. (laughing) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (applause) (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]
On this weeks episode, Jordan and Jared Glass of Thermal Drone Services of NC sit down and talk about the craze of thermal drones. They cover new regulations, success stories, and debate a little on drone vs. dogs. Thanks for listening!
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