The Joe Rogan Experience - #2432 - Josh Dubin

Josh Dubin is the Executive Director of the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice, a criminal justice reform advocate, and civil rights attorney.https://cardozo.yu.edu/directory/josh-dubin Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. Join today at https://www.visible.com/ 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Josh Dubin is the Executive Director of the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice, a criminal justice reform advocate, and civil rights attorney.
https://cardozo.yu.edu/directory/josh-dubin

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[MUSIC] >> Joe Rogan once asked, check it out. >> The Joe Rogan, experience. >> Strain by day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. [MUSIC] >> Brother Joe. >> Can see you man. >> Can see you man. >> What's happening? >> Everything's happening. I got a lot of my mind, I've got notes today and everything. >> Beautiful, so let's kick it off, what do you got? [LAUGH] >> No, I was just, I was thinking that the more you do this work, the more routine the stories would get. And you would start to see fact patterns and situations repeat. But I'm starting to think the more you do it, the more nutty and bizarre it gets, and you find yourself in these situations where you're like, that can't be, you gotta check that out. So I have like multiple cases going on where I feel that way. And they range from wrongful convictions to why was this person charged in the first place, where you're seeking clemency. I mean, yeah, it's a weird world. >> Yeah, your world in particular, the world of wrongfully accused and wrongfully convicted people is one of the darkest worlds in the world. Cuz you're taking away a person's freedom. >> Yeah. >> And they do it all the time for corruption. They do it cuz they're corrupt, they do it cuz they're dirty. They do it cuz they want convictions, they do it cuz they said someone was guilty and then they just wanna fucking lock them up anyway. >> I started to read this Malcolm Gladwell just published a new book called Revenge or The Tipping Point. And I'm only like 15 pages in. And the way he starts it out is about, I think he's gonna come back to it at the end. But I think it's the opioid scandal, he's leaving it blank until the end of the book about how when they testified, the executives of the company testified before Congress that they couldn't bring themselves to apologize or admit that they were wrong and they keep on using the words. Our drug has been associated with addiction. And it's almost this. So I'm starting to think that this inability to admit fault that you're wrong, that you're sorry, it transcends the legal system. And I'm starting to believe that the cases where these cops are out to frame someone are far more, well, maybe not far more, but they're less common than the cases where law enforcement's trying to do the right thing and a detective has a hunch and they just get to where they think they need to be on the evidence by following the hunch, which is often wrong. So yeah, it's a mix of all that shit. >> Yeah, and people don't like to admit they're wrong ever, especially when it comes to

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