Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme recap all of the mayhem at the end of the Travelers Championship leading into a playoff between Scottie Scheffler and Tom Kim. Smylie and Charlie examine the low scoring at TPC River Highlands, and provide some historical context for the run Scottie is on. SK and CH also chat about the LIV Golf event in Nashville, and the KPMG Women's PGA Championship at Sahalee.
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So that's what we're gonna do and if you see a little lighting change, you hear a little bit of extraneous noise in the background, that's just the price of doing business. We're here to talk golf, so- >> Let's play ball. >> Let's play, I mean, so we have so much golf talk about this, we have a wild, wild finish, the travelers, both, I would say off the course and on the course. But it all happened on the course, just some of it pertain to the actual play and the tournament, some of it pertain to protesters on the 72nd hole, which we'll get into. We've got KPMG Women's PGA Championship at Sahali, which looked like my utter nightmare off the tee, just like little 20 yard windows to hit tee shots through, just true insanity. >> We're in your nightmare. >> Our nightmare, our nightmare, we are the Haya Kings. And then we've got a little live golf, I mean, the Nashville scene, kind of a heroes, I mean, we'll give credit where credit's due. It was a heroes welcome for Bryson and a good looking scene there. And we got some stats from our guy, who just kind of hooked it up the last time around. We got more here from Sean Lorry. And then if you stay around long enough. Maybe a little bit of recap of the shootout at Old Chatham's Hogan. Which, you know, is people are dying to hear about that. But let's start with the travelers. Let's start with Scotty. I think before we kind of break down the tournament, I mean, just some context on Scotty, right? And there's a couple of tweets that I think are worth reading to just set the table for this conversation. So the first one from no laying up, just laying out, this is prior to Scotty actually getting it done, but the 2024 signature event winners, the Sentry, Chris Kirk at AT&T Pro and the Pebble Beach, Wyndham Clark at the Genesis, at Riviera, Hadeki Matsuyama. Then Scotty switches to that, that spider mallet and he wins at Bay Hill and he wins the players and he wins the RBC heritage and then he takes a week off because his child has arrived and Rory gets a chance to win at Quail Hollow for the Wells Fargo. And then he wins a memorial and now he wins at the travelers. Justin Ray Golf, you know, of course, who's amazing on Twitter and everywhere else. But another great stat, six wins in a PGA Tour season before July 1st since 1960. It's been done three times. Arnold Palmer in 1962, he got it done by May 14th, Arnold Palmer in 1960, he got it done by June 18th. And now Scotty Scheffler in 2024 gets it done by June 23rd. This one is from our, our resident, OWGR Guru, Nosferatu at VC 606 on Twitter. You split the years in two halves. So January to June and then July to December, only 10 times a player is in more than 400 OWGR points in one half year. And six is Vijay Singh, two through five and seven through 10 are Tiger and top of the list, Scotty Scheffler. So I mean, it's, I know we keep talking about, you know, some of the comparisons between Tiger and Scotty and it feels like, you know, maybe not for us, but just Tiger's greatness was so off the charts, it's hard to compare, but we are starting to really enter that territory. And I'd love to first kind of hear your reflections on yet again, what Scotty's done and then maybe we can kind of dig into some comparisons between this year for Scotty and some of Tiger's best years. I think if, if Scotty would have won, maybe in Houston, maybe in American Express, maybe it's the century and won the Masters and then maybe won the Travelers and maybe another open event. We'd be talking about this totally differently, right? Because you could question the fields, but the fact of the matter is, look what the events he's won. He's beat the best that the PGA Tour has to offer. Is it the best in the world? No, because there are, I mean, we have two split tours. But he has beat every single possible PGA Tour player in every single time he's played in a signature event past LA. So it's fun to look back. You know, we've been doing this for a little over a year and a couple of months now. And I feel like right from the get go of when we got started, I got you on Scotty. You know, I got you on this guy. I'm like, did you need to be buying stock in this guy? Because he's unbelievable. But I don't know if I convince you early on enough, because you were somebody who liked to change putters. Maybe you're somebody that loses belief quickly when they change putters, they're back. So I kept on trying to give you positivity at the beginning of this year, say patience. Patience, young Charlie, he's going to figure this out. Get him to Bermuda Greens. What is work with Bill Kinneyan to continue to pay off and it's been fun to watch because this year, in comparison to last year, let's just talk about his putting routine because that was the big thing that we talked about of the things that he needed to change was his putting last year Ted Scott, always reading putts. And every time he missed a putt, he would just be looking at this. Like, I think it was a frustration that it's like, I feel like I'm putting good putts, but I'm not making anything. And then we started to see some really bad plots where you're like, okay, this technique is not any changes, but it's the Ryder Cup. And then fast forward now working with Phil Kinneyan, Ted Scott's not reading putts realizes he's a good green reader, just practices green reading. And what do you know? One of the hardest workers in the most talented players in the world now is making a lot of putts and if he puts well, like we've documented, he wins. Well, it's funny because I think the turn in our minds was you're watching the same movie every week last year and the movie always ended the same way where this guy hits the ball better than anybody in the field and he gets on the greens and he loses a ton of strokes and he either narrowly misses or he always finished top 10 was a top 10 machine, but narrowly misses out on winning the tournament. And how we're watching the same movie again, it's just that he's fixed one thing and the movie always ends with Scotty winning. And it's with some exceptions, of course. I mean, the US Open was, I mean, that one is forever, I'd love to do like a full unpack on that one at some point in time, like digging into the stats there and everything because I think that one intrigues me for a number of reasons. You know, he was putting on a Bermuda surface, which kind of to your point, at the beginning of the year, when I was, you know, slamming the panic button as a putter, tinkerer and someone who, you know, needs to kind of see results quickly, you're saying, just getting to Bermuda and he's got to be fine and he was. So that one is, you know, was an interesting one to me. I think he's spoken, he even said this week, you know, just talking about how he didn't like the, maybe the unpredictability of Pinehurst and some of those native areas and some of the, you know, whether you do get penalized or don't get penalized off the tee, that's a subject for another day. But I think, you know, here talking about yet another signature event went for Scotty Sheffler and looking at, I mean, like, let's, let's, let's do the tire comparisons, man. I mean, I think we're, we're at this point in time and you and I were texting on the side leading into this about comparing this year for, for Scotty Sheffler to 2000 for Tiger Woods. And the reason we're doing that is because on the broadcast yesterday, there's a graphic that was thrown up. Most wins in a season. So nine wins in a season and this is in the last 40 years on the PGA tour, has been done twice, VJ Singh in 2004, Tiger in 2000, eight wins in his, in a season has been done twice, both by Tiger Woods, 1999 and 2006. Seven wins in a season has been done once, Tiger Woods in 2007 and six wins in a season is now three guys, Tiger Woods in 2005 and 2009, Nick Price in 1994 and Scotty Sheffler in 2024 with a lot of events remaining. So let's look at that. Let's look at that Tiger 2000 season and compare it to Scotty in 2024. So, so Tiger played 20 times in 2001. Nine of those events, which is, which is a sir, I mean, again, it's like, look at, look at a few stats, you know, is, is one of our commenters in here says Scotty's on X Games mode. And I think if it's flagrant one says Scotty's on X Games mode, which I love because it's, it's almost like he has like a game shark and he's put some sort of cheat code in and that was very much what Tiger did in 2000 as well. But so Scotty's played 15 times the season and won six times. So, you know, he needs to win three events and his next, you know, five starts to match what Tiger did in 2000. So Tiger's results in 2000, he, he wins at what is now the century in Hawaii. He wins the AT&T program. He won at Bay Hill, finished fifth of the Masters, won the Memorial, won the US Open, won the Open Championship, won the PGA Championship, won the World Golf Championships, NEC Invitational, won the Bel Canadian Open, and won the World Golf Championships, EMC World Cup. Scotty's wins this year are the, the Arnold Palmer Invitational, of course, at Bay Hill, the Players Championship, the Masters, RBC Heritage, the Memorial, and the Traveler's Championship. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Those events are just, it's hard to compare your 2000 to 2024 because so much has changed with, with the schedule and, and the fields and it's, and it's difficult to compare the talent in 2000 to the talent in 2024. So, but, but I think you can compare wins, right? Like, it's hard to, hard to argue guys winning at the end of the week, but man, I, I think the one comparison that I'd like to make that reminds me of, of Tiger is Scotty's ability to make shots on a Sunday look like shots on a Thursday. And Tiger was so good at doing that too. In the high pressure leverage moments, he did, he didn't lose a step. You know, he was still able to hit it pin eye. He's still knocking down flag sticks. He doesn't miss hit it. So when I think about the Traveler's Championship or I think about any event I've watched this year from Scotty, when have we seen him hit a shot where like, huh, that's weird, Tiger the same way. And I think that's to me is the best comparison you can possibly make and the best compliment you can ever give is that on a Sunday afternoon when, when it's all in the line, that your game looks exactly the same as it looked on a Thursday. Yeah, it, that reminds me of something you said a while back following him around. This might have been at Bay Hill or might have been at the players. I'm not sure which, but just that he just is always missing on the right side of the flag stick. And it's always 20 feet or less. And it's just so casual and I think that that's, you know, the thing that we remember about Tiger, I mean, we remember all of his shots with a ton of flair and things like that. But actually, when you kind of get down to it, he was a fairly conservative player a lot of times and he could afford to do that because he just had more LinkedIn guys and he could just wait it out and all these other guys who had to play an aggressive game to try to keep up with him, eventually make mistakes and fall off. And then he's there at the end and he can, you know, go out and win the golf tournament. And then when he needed to pull off a ridiculous shot, like we saw at the Canadian Open a number of other places, he had the toolkit to do that. And Scotty, Scotty has that same toolkit as well, but it just, it does look so, it looks so casual yesterday. I think that was a, that was an interesting thing to me was just watching Tom Kim who we'll get into play great, but you could kind of see the pressure getting to him down the stretch with some of his putts, put on 16, put on 17, you know, his routine really kind of slowed up in a lot of ways. And Scotty's out there laughing with said Scott just, it's, you know, and you can, you can be in that mode when you won a zillion times, you know, when this is your sixth win of the year, but it's that, that is, I, it's, that thing strikes me the same way as you. It just, it just looks very comfortable for him all the time. Yeah, there's, there's an art to winning. We've talked about learning how to win and that it's a learned skill and the more times you do it, the easier it gets. And when I saw Tom Kim yesterday, you know, there was definitely, he didn't look the same as he probably would look on a Thursday. He was standing over the ball much longer. I don't know if you realize he was and maybe he has been standing over the ball this long, but he definitely does need to quicken it up a bit. My goodness. Um, that was, that was one thing that I was, I was like, man, I, I've missed this one. But man was, uh, I think with, with Tiger Woods and in, in Scotty Shaffer, when you compare the two, Tiger Woods would intimidate you with his physical self, just his presence, his ability to hit golf shots and wear you out and know he's not going to make a mistake. And how do we compare that to what we saw at the Traverse Championship with what turned out to be a duel between Tom Kim and Scotty Shaffer down the stretch? Just like you were saying, Scotty's laughing it up. And so is Tom Kim, you know, they're obvious, obvious friends. But from my perspective, I, I didn't really, I didn't like that. I, I would have rather have seen Tom just act like he didn't know Scotty Shaffer and, and just, I know he celebrated awesome on the 18th hole and that's the type of dog that Tom Kim can be. We've seen that at the presence cup and I know these guys are friends, but part of me as, as somebody who's watching on TV, I want these guys to, like they could be best friends in the world, but I want them to act like they hate each other in the moment, right? Like that's what makes competitive good TV. It is a really interesting one because I thought about this watch and them come down the stretch and you, and you can't change, you know, the way Tom Kim is just this love. I mean, it's the reason why we love him so much. Right? Like he's this teddy bear that is just delighted to be on tour at the age he is playing as well as he is, making all these friends. And you also can't change the nature of their relationship where, I don't know if Tom woods class by Scottie's a mentor or how Scottie thinks about it, but really in a lot of ways Scottie's taken Tom under his wing as has Jordan, right? Some of those guys in that Dallas area, you know, that they've kind of brought him along and taught him some things and he's picked up, you know, a lot of, a lot of shots and a lot of wherewithal about how to, you know, succeed on the PGA tour from those guys. So it's kind of hard to ice out a guy like that maybe, but I will say, I mean, we hear it all the time with Scottie Sheffler, where I believe it's maybe Sam Burns telling the story of like, this is a guy that is the friendliest, nicest guy in the world. And then you're playing a, what you think is a friendly game of ping pong and the guy wants to cut your throat. I mean, he just is out for blood and, you know, I, I think that, that is to a point to a certain degree, yeah, I'd like to see more of that from Tom, almost like that president's cup version of him that is just like, I'm not afraid of this moment, I'm going to go out and seize it and take it. And I wonder if, I wonder for Tom, if it's almost like he's now been out there long enough to where he's thinking about it a little bit too much, you know, it's like he's taken and all this information, you know, like, cause I just read a little bit there really because I mean, that was, I guess that's where my head went with his time of, you know, routine and things like that, where, you know, before he had this sort of carefree nature. And now it's like, you know, they sat on the broadcast Trevor and woman noted it. It's like, we got to kind of speed this thing up, not, not just, not from a pace of play perspective as much from a competitive standpoint, like that's probably, you know, not beneficial to him playing good golf when he's taking that long. This is the type of player that only likes to go when he feels like, I know exactly what I'm doing that there's no doubt. And that's why him and Paul Tory are working so well together now. It's why him and Joe Scoburn worked so well together, winning a couple of times together. And when I watched him with the first week that they caddied for, I believe it was one of the first weeks, Joe Caddied for Tom Kim was in Vegas. And I thought the same thing, man, he's really indecisive or only really likes to go when he knows exactly what the decision is. So there is an element of, okay, can we find a way to speed this up? But I also commend a guy for only going when he's ready. But I think it's the over the ball is what the issue is. I think for, because it looks like there's the screen is frozen, right? We're sitting here watching our guys like, oh, Matt, is it raining outside? Is it a thunderstorm? Like, are we frozen? Because that's what it feels like. We can go check my router. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think too, it's interesting, this is another thing Trevor said, curious your thoughts on this is that if you're going to take that long, you can't go from a dead stop. Like we see it all the time with Patrick, can't lay. You know, he's got that little shuffle on the green, you know, so then when he then when he gets ready to trigger, it's not like he's from a dead stop. Whereas Tom is very much, you know, to your point, it's frozen. It's like, what's going on here? And, you know, I've been there in that situation where I haven't had any movement and I just get, I start gripping it tighter. Yes. I get more tense. How are you supposed to have any rhythm doing that? But he, he does. So good. Good on him, man. Big put on 18 after everything that went on there. And this is probably the part of the show where we should discuss what happened because you were there on site, what does this whole thing go down and I was actually watching it from the airport, but I can give you my full breakdown. Please, please take it away. All right. So we've, we've had plenty of TV, compound meetings with officials from whether it be the PGA tour or the RNA. And there's been plenty of other sporting events where you see protesters interrupt the field of play. And so we've always talked about like, Hey, how do we handle it? I think there's always been a plan from a directing standpoint from the production side of, Hey, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to definitely get wide here and take the highest angle to try not to give, let these idiots have any highlight to whatever their cause is, like, just get it out, make sure these guys get safe. And so immediately when I watched, I was like, Oh my God, this is what's happening. And I have a couple of questions about it all because how do you get smoke bombs into a golf tournament? Cause like if there was, I thought the, the security was really good at this event because you had to go through a bunch of different things. I just, it's wild to me that you can get something like that through. I'm not sure how that doesn't get picked up on, on the security, security stuff. But man, I was, I, I was there and had an opportunity. I would have loved, loved, loved to lay, to lay somebody's **** out. I mean, that would have been a dream. Just these frickin idiots, man, like what are you doing? Just piss me off. I, you know what, I'm going to fill up my gas tank here in a minute. Yeah. Right. When I get down here, I'm going to fill up my gas tank. Well, you know what? Cause there are two different ways to approach this. In terms of sentiment, I'm in the same place as you are. The tech I'm going to take is this is exactly what they want. They want us talking about this because then they want people to go look it up and, and you know, whatever, whatever. I'm not going to give them another thought of airtime. I mean, I, I think. Can you give me a punishment? Like what's punishment for you? Cause I, I got an idea. You're, you're, well, I'm not going to steal your idea. I want you to just say on air what you said in text yesterday, which was hilarious. I, I had a couple of different ideas. I thought one was put all five of them on the traveler's umbrella logo in the middle of the lake and banish them until the traveler is the following year. And we'll, we'll send over a little, you know, some Cheetos every now and then. One Cheeto. Yeah. One Cheeto a day for all five and we'll see them next year. And we'll see if they're going to have the energy to go on to the green again. Yeah. Let's see. And a, a bigger picture thought and this is maybe slightly getting us off the rails. Like all these organizations, man, it's, it's, it's not even about the actual cause. They're trying to affect change in. It's about like, you know, drumming up a bunch of interest and look at me and all this type of stuff. And you can be investing actual time and resources and affecting change, but no, we're going to like throw chalk on the greens at TPC River Highlands. Like great work, guys. I'm, I really hope you're achieving your goal. So anyway, can you imagine, can you imagine me running out there and just decking up in a dude? How sick that would be. I mean, that would be awesome. That'd be an old time, right? It's, I always, I think you tweeted about it too. Great tackle by the guy who got the protester closest to the pin. It was, it was like he would not, it would not have been a roughing the passer. Like he, he, he, it was a, it was perfect form tackle did not leave it with the crown of his helmet. Should have. Did not follow on the passer. Like it was just, it was so perfectly executed. I, I think I would have, you know, I think I would have ran up and got a little like steel toe boot in there, but you know, listen, that's what it is. Would you go on high or going low on the tackle? Um, because like, I think the best one is you could have done is they're just running straight and they don't see you and it's the old blind side, no, like upper hit, but you come in from an angle from the side and just totally hit him that way. That's, that's where I would go. Yeah. I think you could do, you could do the crack block. I mean, we should really, I see Jackson in the comments here who's, who's a, it does a ton of amazing production stuff for us. This guy actually played strong safety at North Dakota State. So like we need Jackson to chime in here with what, what he would have done. But I feel, I feel like it's either a cup block or to your point, it's just like, you know, go ahead and get your 15 yard and that's a roughness penalty and just goes straight into the head. Uh, any, any, the, the part of this I do want to ask you about is it pertains to the competition is something you noted about, they had to recut a pin for the playoffs. Like I can't even, I don't even, I can't remember the last time some like that's happened, which it just absurd. So you were talking about the way that changed the nature of the playoff. It did. So, so what, what, what were your thoughts there? I would have been very, I'd be very upset this morning. If I was Paul Tesory and Tom Kim because this, uh, front right hole location is, I think the most difficult hole location on that green, we've seen them use that pin before. And when it gets downwind, you really like for Scottie can hit driver off that tee because you get on the down slope and you can't get enough height on the shot because you, it lands on a bit of a down slope. It takes a big kick forward. I know the greens are softer, but I don't think you could have gotten it closer than 10 feet unless you brought, you know, you would have had it landed right on top of the bunker. And for Tom Kim, he's a, I would say an octave, octave and a half lower ball flight than Scottie Sheffworth, so Scottie's like one, one level up, one level and a half up on iron shots. So Scottie smart, smartly hits three wood off the tee to give himself something that he can hit up in the air and high. And Tom Kim pushes it up and I thought Colt did a great job on the ground there. Uh, so it was 111 yards, he's got a lob wedge and as soon as I heard that I'm like, Oh man. And like he's got to hit this. And Colt said, the wind's laying down, I was like, Oh boy, cause now like you can't miss hit it at all. Or if you get it offline by a yard, it's going in that bunker and it's such a difficult up and down. Of course, that's what happens plugs game over. If that whole location would have been exactly where it was during regulation, Tom Kim's making birdie. He's going to continue to make birdie. I mean, flag does approach the first time around. He's making birdie. And I just think it was so frustrating for whether Tom realizes it or not. I think right away the advantage with this Scottie chef was like, this thing's over. I never felt like Tom was winning the playoff when that whole location got switched to the front right. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's a shame that that whole thing impacted in the way that it did. I mean, it was watching in regulation and the way Tom went at that pin was like, wow, this is, you know, that took some serious stones. And then after all that happens, still making that birdie, but hugely commendable. And then when he talked to Colt after the round, I thought it was cool just to, you know, you can be really dejected after a loss like that, but he's like, I'm proud of what I did this week. There was some fun stuff. The PGA tour put on their social channels of Meredith greeting, Tom with Bennett. Yeah. It's great. Like, listen, how do you not love Tom Kim, right? I think if it was me, I, I just want to see a little bit more dog like down the stretch with Tom, like just in the way he's walking and carrying himself, like, man, it, because you have to wonder, like the putty hit on 16 so bad, it was real bad. You got to get at the hole and the 17 wasn't very good either makes a huge put on 18. So all the credit to him just stepping up in a huge theater and draining a putt like that. But I just want to see a little bit more dog from Tom and just how he carries himself on Sunday. And listen, he hasn't been there in a bit. He's a guy who's had a really, really tough first half of the year. And we've seen signs of this guy starting to play better golf and a guy that honestly, we probably could have mentioned a little bit more heading into this week being a really good golf course fit for Tom Kim at the travelers and, and as soon as he played well after the first round, I was like, God, kicking myself and I'm mentioning to you guys on the pod for a guy that's, he kind of found his way on the leaderboard at Memorial. He did the same at the US Open. So he's been finding himself in the leaderboard. So obviously really, it's good when Tom Kim's playing well because he is a very likable dude, easy to root for. But I do feel, I do feel bad for him in the fact that I feel like it was a tough shake. The protesters affected the outcome potentially of, of him having a better work for birdie in the playoffs. Well, we are entering the Tom Kim portion of the calendar, right? Like, I mean, it is right at the point, it's Tom Kim season, man. I mean, he plays great at the Scottish Open. He plays great at the Open Championship, at least played great last year. And then when we kind of start getting into like, you know, July, August, like he, it is a time of the year when he plays well. So maybe this is one of those things where he just, you know, need a little bit of this to get him going and we could see some good performances. Like I kind of love Tom at the Scottish Open when we get there. Yeah. He's one there. Yeah. Wait a second, wait a second, he was in that he was in that final match last year. Yeah. It was him and Rory. Yeah. I was watching. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I think it sets up nice for him to kind of play well in some of these events overseas and then kind of roll that into the FedEx Cup playoffs. So the one quick stab on Tom Kim, our guy Matt Ganon, who was out. Oh, yeah. Love Matt. I've seen him at three or four events this year. A guy that, that, that likes to gamble on, on golf. He's, he's very, very like he, he goes, does his homework, uh, really good in the stats department. He put it on a good suite with Tom Kim, just saying that he had 48 to 56 fairways, 66 to 72 greens, 100% in scrambling, birdies, second, bogeys, least, lost. I just thought that was a really good summary of Matt. Sometimes you can play really good golf and not went on the PGA tour. So shame on me for even mentioning, uh, that, that Tom Kim didn't have the dog down the stretch when he clearly was unbelievable this week. So just give me just, I, I just want somebody to, to try to out, intimidate Scotty. She offered down the stretch. I think that's what I'm looking for is just the guy to be like, just fistpump and writing Scotty's face and just like, I want to, I want to see the, the competitive animal coming out of Scotty more than I do other people. Is that make sense? Oh, 100%. I want Scotty to look like tiger where you say, all right, come on, let's go. He needs a proper foil. I mean, I'm trying to, I'm racking my brain this year. It's like, what's the closest we've really seen in his group, Steven Yeager is that's kind of it, right? I mean, I think some of those, you know, cause he came from behind it, uh, he puts it to sleep, man. He put a lot of these fences to bed just early. Uh, I wonder, what are your thoughts on just the way TPC River Highlands played this week? Because it was ball in hand. Was it all four days or was it just three or four days? I know it was on Sunday. It was when Kim Young shot us 59, um, you know, with weather anticipated, there's some, you know, weather kind of intermittently off and on throughout the week. I know last year there was talk of after the record score and we saw with Keegan Bradley's win, how can they toughen this place up and, you know, there wasn't a ton of additional teeth. It seemed like for this course this year, um, you know, it's one of those things. Like, I think we like to, you know, knee jerk react to certain venues and saying, I mean, I saw some pretty ass nine takes with the relation to the quality of Kim Young's 59. I mean, 59 is a 59. Okay. Let's, let's just, you know, let's not try to discredit that, uh, but, you know, it's, it's, I mean, obviously, I think it's a different conversation than Valhalla. Like that's a major. You probably want that set up to be maybe a little bit tougher in retrospect. I don't, I don't mind this entirely, especially the week after just grinding back to back with the set up at the memorial and the setup, you know, pine herst, any thoughts on what we saw this week and the parts of it that are maybe just out of everyone's control because just the weather is the weather. It's a really good golf course. It's a really good golf course. I love the layout. It just is, it just isn't long enough. It just isn't long enough. We have, I think 45% of the shots out there are from 145 yards an end. It's just too many wedges. It is. And I think you give guys soft greens and no wind for three straight days. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter how fast the greens are. They were, I believe about 12 and a half, 13 on the stem, which is tour, tour speed typically. Like that's, um, I would, I would be careful speed is the best way to describe it. And the rough was four to five inches of rough. So I think when people talk about the Travis Championship and that it's a really easy track, go, go put a scratch player on this golf course. I don't think it's just as simple and as easy as, as we're, we're making it out to be. These guys are really good. You give them a dart board and you give them, you give them flags that they don't have to aim away from. It's just not that difficult. And maybe a scratch player could go play really well out there in a tournament. I don't know, but it's, you can make an argument that a golf course like this could, could use a bit of rollback. Um, I, I go back and forth on the whole rollback thing. I don't want to get into that right now, but it's, it's definitely not difficult. Right. The golf course. Well, I just think it's, and you've said this a number of times, you give tour pros, ball in hand, soft conditions, like it's just, it's just, it's not going to be, it's, it, I think what happens then is the scoring increases exponentially, you know, it goes from where it could just, it could be, you know, a couple of guys low to like everybody's low and then everyone's slamming the panic button saying, oh, we need to change everything. You know, if, if the weather conditions are a little different, I still think they score this course because to your point, it's, you know, the length, this isn't there, but I don't think they score the way they do where everyone's saying this is, you know, this is ridiculous and we have to change everything in a rollback. I mean, I, you know, I, I think that there are, it's, it's what we're seeing more and more is the venues that would benefit from it. And we're also seeing venues that, you know, have other ways to protect themselves, you know, like much of the way the Pinehurst did last week of just, there are a lot of ways to kind of defend that course where, you know, guys, there's still a lot of wedges into those greens, but, you know, good luck holding some of them and you get a, you know, a certain pin location, a firmness and it's, it is a tough, tough scene. So I just, I thought that was interesting, you know, just looking at the scoring and some of the takes we saw, you know, not to discredit Cam Young or anyone this week, but it's just, it's, that's the way it goes when the conditions are like that. So. Well, here's the thing. If you want to make the conditions really difficult and you want to go play a harder golf horse, you just want to make it easier for Scotty to win or do you want to make it at a place like this, which bunches in the field. You had six dudes within two shots of the lead with like three holes left. And I think it makes for really good television and really good story lines. So there's two ways you look at it, make the course really hard, make it easier for Scotty to win or make Scotty have to really earn it and put his way to winning. Yeah. Right. Absolutely agreed. I mean, I think that that's, you know, and it's, and I think the other thing that's interesting along these lines is what is the complaint men at some of these signature events, like most notably Wells Fargo, it's that there aren't enough players in the field. And so you have one guy just run away and there's not enough bunching at the top where guys can make a run at it. And we did not see that this week. So take whatever issue you want to with the absolute numbers, the scores ended up at, but what you did have was a very exciting finish with a lot of guys potentially in play. And, and, and I think that's all you can really ask for. I mean, it was a, it was a, it was a, and it was such a cool atmosphere there. That's sort of amazing. But the year on 18 and just, so one of those guys was in contention is, uh, you, you care to talk about what happened to your one and done pick Patrick Cantlay, the, the hex type through on him. Do you want to talk about it? Cause like, I'm, I'm still a little peoed about it. I, again, we're, this is a smiley show family. Everyone's involved here is we're, we're peeling back the curtain. I sent a group text to smiley Jackson, I sell saying, Hey, you know, uh, just taking a check in on our one and done picks. You might want to prep some clips. Patrick Cantlay is tied for lead, you know, Brian Harms, a few shots off the lead. Maybe want to get something ready. And at that point, I think, um, can't lay missed a very makeable birdie putt and then at 15, you had an easy up and out of 15, seven footer misses. And that was to take the lead out right at 20. He needed a birdie. Every hole coming in probably or just actually three out of the last four. And then 16 absolutely hits a nuke long left over the green and it was like, Pat, Charlie, what the hell man? You talked to my golf ball when it still is rolling and then he's talked about my one and done picks when they're still playing just nobody move freeze. I will. Okay. I can commit to this. In the future, I'm just going to know the Jackson's on top of it. And he's going to get the clip cut. I don't need to say anything, but I'm just trying to do a good job as a producer, making sure all of our bases are covered. It was, and by the way, Patrick covered all the bases on 16 by hitting that home run right after a lot of people are making some good points about, uh, I want to get to David Stewart and, uh, yes, Ruben Rocha's comments one, uh, David said he didn't mind the leaderboard and that he had heard the travelers and made some changes to make the golf course more difficult. And I would agree they did make some changes to make the golf course more difficult. Problem is when you have two inches of rain over the weekend, it's some soft conditions and no wind. It doesn't matter like how they didn't stretch the golf course any really further. The changes they made were some different angles on some tee shots, uh, narrowed in the sixth fairway, which is a par five added some Fescue and that whole that probably didn't make too much of a difference. He just made the drive just maybe point to a harder from a scoring perspective, but nothing, nothing just crazy. Yeah, they didn't make anything too hard or all the green surfaces stayed relatively the same except the 11th hole shrunk that green. I think that whole played beautifully this week. One of my favorite holes on the PGA tour now that 11th hole, it's become a really awesome par three the way they've shrunk that green up, uh, and then Ruben it said, uh, he was happy about the leaderboard and he was happy there wasn't a blowout. So I, I'm, I'm kind of with, you know, if Scotty can win golf tournaments with a bunch leaderboard, that's good for golf. Yeah. And I think the two things that I want to kind of get to Charlie, I don't, I'm not trying to get too far off topic here with Scotty is that I was talking with Shane Lowry in the court, um, and he was telling me that these guys are so pumped that Scotty's winning. The more Scotty wins, the better it is for everybody in the top 30 in the FedEx cup. They don't want anybody winning from behind them to jump them because they, they just think if Scotty just gobbles up all the points that are being offered, that's good for them. So I thought that was really interesting just from a player's perspective. So I just wasn't in the mind of somebody who's in the top 30 right now in the tour championship or the top 50, uh, right now in the FedEx cup with only seven white weeks before the playoffs, that to me was something I, I had not thought up too much about. And he all said and said is like, I mean, we're gonna get to the tour championship. He's only got a two shot lead. So, and that to me, what a absolute show travesty. This is going to be when Scotty shuffle loses the tour championship when he, when he wins eight times or nine times this year and has one week, rages, you know, just doesn't play that well. Right. I mean, we saw it a couple of years ago with, uh, with, with, you know, that's kind of showdown with Rory on Sunday. Um, now that was a different time and a different putter. Uh, in fact, some might point to that is like when the putter struggle started originally with his blade and kind of went through a bunch of iterations. He actually, people kind of forget this. I think, I think he used to use a spider mallet and at least the first two playoff events last year. I'm not sure if you went back to the blade at, at, uh, Eastlake, but it's, it's, uh, it will be, it will be wild that that happens. It'll be selfishly fun for us to talk about because it'll be a, an hilarious storyline. But you know, I, I don't want them to win. You know why? Cause it's going to incite change. We, we want the playoffs to change. Yes. We want the tour championship to change format. So if it, if it means Scottie chef for not winning the tour championship, by all means blow it up. I, I just want the, the playoffs to be way more exciting than the way that they currently are. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting one because I don't know, I don't know what you do there. I mean, because in a sense it is, you know, if you were handicapping it based off of the way he's played this year, I mean, you come in with like a 20 shot lead and there'd be no excitement because it'll already over, you know, so it's like, do you want to do it off a merit or do you want to do it off of what's the most exciting version of it? Like I don't, I don't know what the solve is there, but I, I do know that if, if he doesn't win after the year he's had, it's, it, there will have to be some sort of change. This is a tweet from @golfmonthly who said it just all kind of along these lines to check in on where Scottie is monetarily thus far. Imagine a pro golfer who won six PGA tour titles, including the Masters with on course earnings of 28 million. Come career. That's the first half of Scottie Sheffler is 2024. I, I forget where I saw it, but like in projecting the rest of the season, Scottie could get to like 60 million in on course earnings if he wins the tour championship and gets that bonus in a year and one year. I was kind of thinking about this in the car, leaving showers, wondering what Scottie is going to like buy first because he probably doesn't even know how much money even has. He probably just has been just kind of chilling, just hanging out probably in this whatever house in Dallas. And now I think he, he needs to be like, we're buying a boat or we're, he got to do something crazy. Right? Like what's, if you have all that money, like what are you going to do with it? Right? It gets you some fun. I mean, you got to, you have to. I mean, I, I just, I wonder what he doesn't strike me as the type that has like some extravagant tastes. You know what I mean? I, I, it just kind of feels like, cause he, for a while, remember he was driving like that old deed up suburban. I imagine at this point, he's upgraded to that, but, uh, you know, many of us travel beat up cars. It's not just Scottie. You know, myself, my 2014 Prius, you know, it's a lot of people saying that's the way to go. So can we, you know, unless there's other items you want to hit here, I think it's worth kind of touching on the live scene this week. I mean, I saw a lot of the highlights and it seemed like it was like again, like let's give credit where credit's due. Bryson God, a hero's welcome. The only thing, the only thing we, before we flip to live, if there's two, two knots, I want to tie it's sure we need to talk about Cam Young's 59. Yeah. Like just a little bit more in depth and then passing and Ludwig O'Byrd. Lufic O'Byrd. I mean, losing strokes on the green on Saturdays, still shooting 62. And anytime I can push back live, talk for just another like five minutes. I'm actually cool with it. I mean, I, you know, I think the thing about Cam Young is, I mean, what he did was tremendous. I just, it doesn't sit right with me. Some of the takes I saw in relation to Cam Young are like, this is, we need, you know, the equipment, this is, this is evidence that equipment needs to be changed and this and that. It's like, dude, he's just playing a short golf course with ball in hand and it's soft. Like now I'm not, I mean, does that impact what he shot to a certain degree? Yes, of course it does, but it's still, you have to go, you know, hit the ball 59 times and then pick it up out of the cup on the 18th hole and walk off the green. I mean, that's an unreal accomplishment. Yeah, I, I thought Cam making that put on 18 was kind of the moment of we needed Cam Young to just step up to do something. If it's 59, so be it. We just wanted to see something out of Cam Young that matched what his potential and his talent and what we know we can be. Just the glimpse that we saw a couple of years back, finishing second at the Open Championship and a player that just seemed like he was about to light the world on fire with how good he was going to be and has definitely taken his, his lumps over the last year and it hasn't been poor golf. It's just been, hasn't necessarily gotten himself in contention and he's had issues with the putter for the most part, I would say has been a big problem and then just some inconsistent weeks. But Cam Young is a player that Cali just, when you look at it, it's just dropped a talent man, it's just a player that doesn't necessarily have like a ton of charisma, not a guy that is just eating up the press conferences and just is a, is a great interview by any means. He's just a dude that's really good at golf. He's chill three kids now just kind of goes to work and, and I'll, I'll say that that would to me was a really big moment for Cam, just like, Hey, I, I can do this. Like I, I just made a putt that I had to make. So for Cam Young, why don't we just watch out for him the rest of the year? Maybe this is going to propel him to some bigger and better things, whether it's winning his first PG tour event or let's say it's potentially contending at the Open Championship or maybe well, or maybe a run at the playoffs, who knows that wouldn't surprise me at all either. Three really good weeks in a row and maybe you have a Billy Horshel type of finish where he goes and wins a tour championship. So I just want to say with Cam, let's, let's just commend him going and accomplishing something, shooting a 59 the 13th of the tours history. I know the golf course, like you mentioned, soft and easy, but still give the credit where it's due is impressive. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it's the thing that is ironic is like, isn't it the most Cam Young thing in the world? So like do it at one place where that probably doesn't win you the golf tournament. You know, it should have been his first PGA tour win, but you're in a place where everybody's going deep and you got to do a little bit more. And he went out and, you know, birdie's first four holes on Sunday and you're thinking he's going to go out and do it again. He's going to win this thing outright. But I mean, I, yeah, I think it's a guy that played great a couple of years ago and that found around the 2022 open, paired with Cam Smith ended up finishing second. A lot of people forget that. I think it's like, it was that Cam Smith Rory race. He snuck in there and got solo second. Yeah. And so similar to, to Tom Kim fashion, it's like I'm on Cam Young alert now. Like I think he could really kind of pick it up in July and heading into the tour championship and all that in August. What did you shoot on the weekend? I shot 59, 66. How did you win by? Well, I finished night. It's like, what do you mean you finished night? Unreal. And then Ludwig, I mean, briefly, I mean, briefly, we have to touch on it because it's a beautiful staff. It's unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, you know, give it to us. So I saw that Ludwig shot 62 on Saturday the same day that that Cameron Young shot 59 and he lost strokes that day on the greens. He was, I didn't know that was possible because you're 62 and we strokes to the field on the putting green. He was, he was, he was first in strokes gain approach. He was second strokes gain T to green. He was ninth in strokes gain around the green, 11th in strokes gain off the tee and 38th in putting he was just ever so slightly negative, negative 0.3 strokes, but everywhere else, I mean, just that I'm glad it's certainly good. It had to be said. So Ludwig having a good week. I mean, that's another player that had a good week also shout out to JT had a good week. I mean that, you know, your average is kind of his spot. He plays well all the time there. But I think with, with just quickly touching on JT, that was another, like he said, plenty of top five. So we just got to get the consistency in the majors. Maybe take a little pressure off himself with the majors would be the final way to kind of just get his stuff a little tighter. The other player to want to touch on was Tony fee now. Yeah. That's the only other guy we haven't talked about for a guy that, you know, gets himself in contention, he gets 20 under gets the 16 toll and hits a shot that doesn't make any sense. I mean, it was 20 yards short, 20 yards right in the water, a thin heel in a moment where I felt like he was about to go and find himself in the playoff at the end of the day and ends up making double bogey and ends up in the, you know, finished top five. But still it, it, that's like the difference to me. And, and when we talk about Scottie Shaffer, we talk about Tony Fino, I would, I would say that if you, if you had to pick an iron player on the PJ two, where I would pick Scottie first, I would take Tony Fino second. But we, as we talked about earlier, winning is an art. And, and being able to hit clutch shots on a Sunday afternoon when you have to have them and make it look like it, it's easy. And it's something that you've been doing all week. And that you, that you just don't have that occasional miss hit. I know we got a weird gust of wind, but still, when do we ever see Scottie Shaffer hit a shot like Tony Fino hit there on the 16 toll? And I know we got gussed. But it's, it's still kind of an inexcusable shot in that moment. I know it's a, it's a tough flag. He hits a draw, which you would think would fit his eye. I, I just think that Tony Fino, I mean, the guy is so good at getting finished in top 10. Same with Tommy Fleetwood, both really good at finishing top 10. But man, you got to think similar to Cam Young, just being able to win golf tournaments and close the deal and hit the shots down the stretch to, to go and take it and, and win the golf tournament. That was not a big moment for Tony on 16 for a guy that I'm, I'm, I'm totally buying stock on. Oh, yeah. You said number of times, just his, you know, stroking approach numbers are just off the charts, an unbelievable iron player. I, I think that with Tony, I don't want to put him in the, I think he's, he's approaching the same clutch gene question that I was having with Zander. It's like he's one on tour, but the profile events he's won. Yeah. I really like to see him. And this would have been a great step in the right direction. Obviously not a major coming off a major week. So maybe guys are lacking a little bit of, you know, energy and stuff like that, but a signature event, this would have been a really big win for him. And he definitely had a chance down the stretch. And so you just kind of, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a tough shot that leads to a big number. Um, but would have, would have liked to see him been around it maybe in that playoff would have been really interesting to see how he would have reacted in that, in that, you know, a three-way playoff with, with, with Tom and Scott, he would have been, you know, a good test of like, where is Tony Phenau's game at in these moments? Yeah, totally. And you actually just made a good point about guys being tired of the travelers, every single player, family member, support team, everybody just talked about how white they've been. The memorial, US open travelers. What's, what's learned from that? And I think we already have when we sell the date of Jack's event being changed, moving up, not being tied and right next to the US open that, uh, that to me is a win for, for the players. Cause everybody I, I, I saw this week, we're just like zombies at the beginning of the week. 100%. I found that very funny. Yeah. Goodness. You're finally at home. Get relaxed a little bit. Yeah. I mean, that one, I thought it was interesting. The comments Jack made, you know, right around the change where he's saying, like, I wouldn't play the week for a major. So why would I be asking guys to do it at my tournament? Um, and especially when the setup is the way it is, the memorial, um, you got to wonder if maybe that had a little bit to do with the way Scottie performed upon hers to just, man, it, it, it takes a lot to back, do back to back weeks to perform. And, and that was, that's sort of setting. So, um, so, okay. So here's what I, here's what I got for you on the live run. All right. I want to talk Bryce. I'm at first, we, Sean, Laurie just sends me just the best live research. It's just so in the weeds. I love it. And, and the section of this research that I loved, my, my favorite thing about this is along the lines of what Mackenzie Hughes hit you with on, on the podcast from last week. It's a trivia question. It, can you name the original crushers, the original iteration of Bryson's team from the live UK event, the London event, when the whole thing started? Are you able to name the four players on this team? It's, dang near impossible. Charles Howell and, and on our bottom, we'll hear you. We're not on that team. Correct. Um, godly, that is going to be. Oh, man. Cause I don't, I'm trying to remember who is fourth is right now. Um, because this week it was John Catlin, which is right, uh, good. Yeah, it played great. He's a player that was on the corn fairy when I was playing. Um, so good to see him playing well. Those are actually, that was like the first storyline they've actually had that was interesting. Yes. Like John Cowan being in contention. That was actually pretty cool. Yeah. So, oh man, I would love to just take like a guess and a rip at this, but I'm not, I'm struggling just to come up with players. Um, I got, I got nothing, dude. Okay. So here's what it is. This is nothing. Peter, you line. Really? Richard Bland. Travis Smith, but Charlotte Kong. What my, I might have just butchered that live on the team. No, no, it was just, Bryson was not, had not gone yet. Oh, remember that was in the wake of the whole like, Hey, we're staying on tour because all that's right. So they had like the intro group and he was not part of it. And then he went after, he went after that. So I mean, I just, I, I, I, I had a good laugh at that. And thank you to Sean for sending over the research. Um, I just, I think it's, I think we got to tip our cap when it's deserved. I mean, I think I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on, you know, it seems like we're close to an agreement between the PIF and the PGA tour and bringing some of this stuff together. And it seems like they're being very careful with how they're rolling that out because they don't want to repeat what happened around June 6th where the details are wrong. The phrasing was wrong. The players weren't, you know, properly notified as to what it was going to look like. So they're being very careful about how they're rolling this out. But it seems like we're close to that. And I think that, um, you know, it's, it's things like what, what you saw this week in Nashville in terms of fan interests and reception for a major winner and his first week back a guy that's gained a ton and the way of fan support after the way he behaved, uh, at Pinehurst and Bryson to Shambo. Um, it's just, it's something to kind of keep tabs on and, and, you know, keep an eye on it and say, Hey, look, well done. Live like not all of them are like this. There are a lot of that are sparsely attended. There are a lot that happened in the middle of night. Like I think that could have been the worst thing possible. They went from US open to like Singapore where we, we can't even see it. And you know, the, the national champion doesn't, you know, get to get his due, but it was in the United States in Nashville and Bryson got to kind of get a little bit of, you know, kudos for what he did. And I thought that was like, that's, that was, it was notable, significant. I mean, Nashville is a hot pocket. It's a, it's a really good place to potentially have a big time level golf tournament. It seems like live golf fits really well with Nashville as well. Party scene, uh, way back. And yeah, I, I think that it's probably a, a, it was a really fun event to attend knowing that what the city of Nashville kind of has become, which is the bachelorette bachelor party city in the, in the country right now that everybody's trying to get to. So it plays really well into the party atmosphere. I've, I, I've been kind of really annoyed this week with, with it all, to be honest. Yeah, I just, all this stuff with Bryson, the US open was great. I loved watching it play again. But then once they've gotten, I'm just, I'm, I'm a PGA tour dude. Like I'm a PGA tour member. I want the PGA tour to succeed. I'm part of a broadcast that obviously wants a PGA tour to succeed. So I don't really want live to be like super successful. I'm, I'm sorry, like that's just. So when I see it, I'm like, I don't really get excited about it, but I'm sure there's people that, that do have, uh, you know, that do have the ability to watch multiple tours. It's not for me. Um, I, I definitely can understand why it's a really fun event to go to. I could see how the fan experience would be great. Um, it's just not for me, man. I don't want it to be successful. I think live golf is absolutely destroyed. Professional golf, the way it is now, uh, wasn't needed. I think there's plenty of arguments to be made that the PGA tour was stuck in sand and was never going to change. So there's part of me that's like, Hey, if, if we find on the other side of this a really competitive PGA tour, um, or just global tour, whatever it is, it's great. Um, I just, as it stands right now, man, I just, I don't see live going anywhere and I see the divide staying there with maybe some live golfers, uh, playing some, a handful of PGA tour events. Um, but I don't see it. I don't see live golf going anywhere. I know that we're talking about how these agreements are going to come to fruition, but there's nothing about with folding to me that is in a minute. That just seems like it's just going to keep picking up steam and they're going to keep picking off players, which I don't think it's, it's great for the game of golf. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I think it's, uh, it's interesting in a number of different ways. You know, I, the, the, I, I, I'm trying to think of how I want to phrase this. I mean, I, I just think that, that there is, um, an aspect of it that is we want to see the, we want to see all the best players in the world back together. Right. I mean, I think that's undoubtedly, you know, where we want this thing to go. Um, I, you know, I think the, the live product is, yeah, again, maybe not for either of us, but I'm not trying to yuck other people's yums to steal phrase. Uh, you know, I think that if, if you enjoy that good for you, you know, like that's, that's great. Um, I, I just think it would have boils down to it. It's like we, we miss something, not having guys like Bryson on our tour. Totally. Now I think there's an argument too that like does Bryson benefit from not being overexposed? You know, like do we, do we miss Bryson in a huge way because we don't see him all the time? He's, he's a needle right now, man. Uh, 100% and I'm, I'm not here to argue that, that he's not. Yeah. Uh, I think you, you make a great point that it, it was a big week for live golf, which for somebody that, that wants the PGA tour to be successful, you know, having rain delays of the travelers and then the shit that happened on the green at 18, it's just like man, it's frustrating. Uh, but I'm, I'm a fan of Bryson's. I, I was so pumped to see what he did at the US open. It was great for our network. It was great for golf. But then the week after then I just hear all the, yeah, just the, I think it's just this, the sentiment of like, why are we not playing back together? Like wanting to see the live golf tour go to where it's going to go. Like, if it goes to where they think it's going to go, then we're in a, in a worse place that we've ever been in professional golf because the PGA tour's not going anywhere. Right. Yeah. I think we got to see what, what's been hammered out and it's tough for us to evaluate anything because we don't know what it's going to be. Cause it's not out there publicly or at least that I know you maybe have more insight than I do. I think two things that are interesting on that front, um, we're starting to see the XFL and FLification of this partnership and that we saw these live drone tracer shots on the PGA tour for the first time this week. And that's borrowing from what, what Liv has done on their broadcast. And I, I think that stuff is wonderful. I mean, there are a lot of amazing things. I didn't know that Liv was doing it. It looked great on their stuff and it looked great on CBS. And I think that's a, that's a best case scenario as a fan. It's like we're, we're suffering in so many ways from this divide. It's nice to see ways in which one product is improving the other creatively. And that's a lot of what the XFL, the original iteration of the XFL did for the NFL. And so I hope we continue to see stuff like that, uh, someone who's not a fan of the drones. I don't know if you saw the highlight of, uh, ROMs double cross on. I'm not sure which one it was, but, uh, not thrilled with the drones out there. I would have seemed to win this week. I want to see Rom Bobby McIntyre, Hatton and throw in another hothead. And let's, let's have them play a match with full drones, like just all the drones, the drone open. It's like you can't get away from the drones. Get away from the drones. So good. Yeah. I saw that highlight and his team won this week, but like still not having a great time. You know what the Liv golf tour does not have? They do not have a dump button. The broadcast on a button. The PGA tour has a dump button. If you don't know what a dump button is, it's when the player says something that is not deemed suitable by the PGA tour, the network. So they press a button where all the audio just goes vanished. So when you're wondering when, when it looks like every time we would have a camera on ROM after he hit or Hatton, it would just be no audio. It's cause this is how they are every single round. Now you are understanding like what these guys are like after every shot they hit. It's the, there's no dump button. So it's just the brief roll. The commentator reactions to those are just are just are pretty hilarious. There was actually one this week at the KPMG women's PGA of Sarah Schmeltz. I think it was just like, Oh, if you Sarah is like, Oh, she did not like that that when she just hit left about 30 yards short. But let's let's go there next because I thought it was interesting to see a dummy. I mean, that course looks amazing. So Holly does, but it also looks like a complete, like, you know, keep you up at night and night mirror off the tee. And it was wild to see Nelly play well in the first round and then second round just completely unravel and then be emotional in the back end of just like, this is, this is golf is really hard. You could rip off how many wins in a row she did. And then all of a sudden just lose it and miss a bunch of cuts. Lexi was in contention and she had to kind of an up and down Sunday. So I don't know. I mean, I, you know, honestly, I was playing a tournament this weekend. You were busy on the course this weekend. I didn't take in as much of it as I perhaps would have liked to, but just maybe some thoughts on, on, you know, Nelly and Lexi and just the weekend that was for, for this woman's major. Like I think, you know, again, take away from a lot of these places is like, I love they're going to cool venues like this. So that's a, that's a way to get me tuned in. Yeah. For sure. The women's, the women's to are now this is interesting because, you know, the women's game hasn't overpowered golf courses. So they get to go to the sick venues that, that they're not overpowering. So you get, you go to Lancaster and Pennsylvania for, for the open. And then now you're at Saheli Saheli, sorry. So Holly. It's also the Google pronunciation. Yeah, it's a Holly. And I mean, it would just be an iron fest for guys out on the PGA tour if they played there. But I was really surprised to see, because I was scrolling through the leaderboard, looking to see like where Nelly finished on, on Sunday. And I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling, I'm like, where am I missing her? Because I knew she like was leading after the first round. I did. I had totally messaged. She shot 81 in round two. So I don't, that's really weird, you know, because for a girl that was dominating the, the LPGA tour, just to kind of have some, just air ball days, you know, the US open and, and this past week, it's a Holly. Yeah. I mean, tough, like the game is tough. And there's some Justin Ray tweets about like, Lexi Thompson's first nine holes versus her last nine holes, you know, on Sunday of like a chance that she could have had to, you know, win another major going out and kind of cap off this year where she's going to, you know, maybe retire, maybe play a much more abbreviated schedule. But I think it speaks to the fact that it's like they're in a really cool, really demanding major venue and cool to see him go there and definitely, you know, a ton of interest surrounding that. So, uh, so smiley, we're almost our team is in, would you like, would you like the old Chatham Hogan recap? Do you want the full breakdown? Can you give it to me in like 28 seconds? It's going to have to be more than 28 seconds. Okay. But I'll try to abbreviate it. We'll settle, we'll settle for 34 seconds. I have, I have, well, first I got to say, dude, old Chatham, they put on such a good event. Their head pro there. John Reno is the man. He's also I take lessons from him. So it was, it was, they did everything right this week. I saw the guy I played with Craig Johnson played in the memorial program a couple of weeks ago, played the front nine with JT back name, back nine with Akshay Batilla. He's out there with Akshay Batilla and who's walking with Akshay, but Gabe heurstedt. I always say his last name, Rob, but the short game coach that you talk to, you know, to get some prep for that Akshay interview, right? And so they get to Chatham and Gabe says, you know, what's your dress like? Send you some wedges. Dude, these go wedges. Yeah. These wedges are so sick. I mean, CJ was so dialed in all week and long. Like just like it was the best. I've seen them. They're cool. They're so cool. Like the way that the bounce on the ground on them, like it was the best sales job I've ever seen for a wedge in my entire life. In fact, in our shootout, he hit like a 61 degree for like a 65 yard uphill bunker shot to like 20 feet. It was like one of the sickest things I've ever seen done, especially for like a seven year old guy like CJ still play some dang good golf. So Gabe heurstedt, your wedges are awesome. Well done there. And smiley, I hit the, maybe the best three would of my entire life in this playoff. I hit like a, I hit like a 280 yard approach shot and do a par five with water on the left that would it like, would it was a real like night sweats situation? I was like CJ, what do you want for this wedge? It's like, I want you to go for the green. Like, are you sure you want me to go for the green? Like, yeah, like, like, let's let his phrases, let's let the legend grow. I was like, all right, you're the member man. Do whatever you want to. Saw it off a little three wood, little slight right to left draw lie. Hit this thing on a string, almost hold out for Albatross. Ooh. And then unfortunately, two other guys made birdie on top of us from 30 feet and we missed the final out of the playoff. But we did look, we won our flight. More hardware for the cabinet. Nice to put some flowers in or maybe drink a couple of beers out of. So it wasn't, wasn't all bad this weekend won the flight and had a great time out there and shout out to CJ. Always, always a fun, we always a good time out there with, with Craig Johnson, the old, you're like, you're like right in the middle of your golf season, aren't you? We're in the thick of it. Yeah, I'm headed to Scotland on Thursday with my dad for 10 days. So that no tournaments over there, that's just, but yeah, we, we had, we had a tournament that I miss as we can hope value. That's our Calcutta, but the syndicate did well. So I'll strike that from the record for the IRS. And then I, yeah, you know, we got we're, there's a little bit of a lull because it's five million degrees right now in North Carolina in the summer. But it's hot, right, very hot. And we pick it back up in, in August and September. So there you go. There's a report, there's a report on the Hogan just had to get that on the record for, for all my guys out there. And I think let's see, let's just, let's just go out with ski mask, boy, commenting who went to British Open. What's your call right now? Who wins a British Open? I hadn't gotten there yet. I need, I need to keep letting that, uh, marinate shout out to Gary Boopdower MD though for being in here. That's, that's my boy. Yeah, it's going to be Scotty. That's your Gary Boopdower MD's big James, by the way, if you didn't know. Oh, there you go. Yeah, there you have it. Um, well, feels like we've, feels like we've done all the content we can do. And my dogs are barking. My son's making lots of noise downstairs. So I think this is best place. Tell everybody about our episode this week. Oh, that's right. It's already in the hatch. It's already in, it's already in the, in the hatch. It's an interesting way to describe it. I don't know the hatch down the hatch and the chamber in the, in the queue, in the queue to see you and see you eat in the queue. Yeah, there's a fun Twitter exchange that we had last night. Uh, uh, Johnson Wagner, but joining us on Wednesday, this recorded last week in the wake of his superstar turn at the US Open, hitting a bunker shot to a foot after Bryson rolled up on him and a golf cart carrying the trophy. So delighted to be sharing that with you all on Wednesday. Yeah. So we're, uh, let's get organized. Let's get our, let's get our minds right. Uh, it's going to be a big week. SK is going to head out to the range, figure out where his golf game is and, uh, Charlie's going to keep moving in. So we keep moving it. Yeah. Thank you for all of your patience with, uh, the ongoing tech situation. But we're, we're, I'm now going to, I'm going to close this and we're going to build out a studio and my video is going to look as good as yours next time I talk to you when I return from Scotland. So that's what we got for you. All right, get to work. Enjoyed it. All right. It's time to hit the outro. Yeah. Hit the outro. Hit the outro. All right. See you. [MUSIC PLAYING] [BLANK_AUDIO]