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In the No Part 2

In the year since accusations of sexual assault were first brought against Harvey Weinstein, our news has been flooded with stories of sexual misconduct, indicting very visible figures in our public life. Most of these cases have involved unequivocal breaches of consent, some of which have been criminal. But what have also emerged are conversations surrounding more difficult situations to parse – ones that exist in a much grayer space. When we started our own reporting through this gray zone, we stumbled into a challenging conversation that we can’t stop thinking about. In this second episode of ‘In the No’, radio-maker Kaitlin Prest joins us for a conversation with Hanna Stotland, an educational consultant who specializes in crisis management. Her clients include students who have been expelled from school for sexual misconduct. In the aftermath, Hanna helps them reapply to school. While Hanna shares some of her more nuanced and confusing cases, we wrestle with questions of culpability, generational divides, and the utility of fear in changing our culture. Advisory: This episode contains some graphic language and descriptions of very sensitive sexual situations, including discussions of sexual assault, consent and accountability, which may be very difficult for people to listen to. Visit The National Sexual Assault Hotline at online.rainn.org for resources and support.  This episode was reported with help from Becca Bressler and Shima Oliaee, and produced with help from Rachael Cusick.  Special thanks to Ben Burke and Jackson Prince. Support Radiolab today at Radiolab.org/donate. 
Duration
41m
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19 Oct 2018
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In the year since accusations of sexual assault were first brought against Harvey Weinstein, our news has been flooded with stories of sexual misconduct, indicting very visible figures in our public life. Most of these cases have involved unequivocal breaches of consent, some of which have been criminal. But what have also emerged are conversations surrounding more difficult situations to parse – ones that exist in a much grayer space. When we started our own reporting through this gray zone, we stumbled into a challenging conversation that we can’t stop thinking about. In this second episode of ‘In the No’, radio-maker Kaitlin Prest joins us for a conversation with Hanna Stotland, an educational consultant who specializes in crisis management. Her clients include students who have been expelled from school for sexual misconduct. In the aftermath, Hanna helps them reapply to school. While Hanna shares some of her more nuanced and confusing cases, we wrestle with questions of culpability, generational divides, and the utility of fear in changing our culture.

Advisory: This episode contains some graphic language and descriptions of very sensitive sexual situations, including discussions of sexual assault, consent and accountability, which may be very difficult for people to listen to. Visit The National Sexual Assault Hotline at online.rainn.org for resources and support. 

This episode was reported with help from Becca Bressler and Shima Oliaee, and produced with help from Rachael Cusick. 

Special thanks to Ben Burke and Jackson Prince.

Support Radiolab today at Radiolab.org/donate. 


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Before we start, a quick heads up. This episode contains some graphic language and descriptions of very sensitive sexual situations, including discussions of sexual consent and accountability, which might be very difficult for some people to listen to. Wait, you're listening to Radio Lab. Hey, I'm Jad Abumrod. This is Radio Lab. Today, we have part two of a three-part series that we're calling In the Know. Know as in No. We were inspired to do this after hearing a set of stories on a show called The Heart produced by Caitlin Prest. Last week, we played excerpts of that series, and if you haven't heard last week's episode, I would encourage you to go back and listen, because the stories that Caitlin told, which got some very intense reactions from our listeners online, all over the map, however you feel, I mean, those stories that she made are a very striking, personal view of consent from the inside. Now, it just so happens that Caitlin produced those stories in the spring of 2017, which is the spring just before all the accusations started hitting the news, first against Harvey Weinstein and then congressmen like Al Franken, actors like Kevin Spacey and then comedians. And then in many cases, the very people, the very men who were reporting about those stories. And much of what made it into the news was pretty clear-cut, like criminal cases or accusations of clear breaches of consent, but then we started to hear about the cases that were harder, not explicitly criminal, more nuanced, and that gray zone, which Caitlin was, in many ways, exploring in her piece, it occurred to us that this is a conversation we're all trying to have right now. So what we started doing in the wake of listening to her stories was doing a series of interviews of our own with people all over the map who are thinking and rethinking consent in interesting ways. We'll play a couple over the next two weeks, but we ran into one particular interview. Let's see if it's working. Caitlin, are you there? Yes, I'm here. Hey, hey, I did it. You did it. You did it. That we could not stop thinking about. Mm-hmm. In fact, it created a lot of really difficult conversations internally. And so we just kind of decided why don't we play this thing relatively raw, which we don't do very often, but let's just put it out more or less how it happened in all of its flaws. Caitlin, Caitlin, can you hear Hannah? Yes, it's Hannah. Hannah. Okay, sorry. Yeah. Caitlin, could you hear Hannah? I'm speaking. Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you.

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In the year since accusations of sexual assault were first brought against Harvey Weinstein, our news has been flooded with stories of sexual misconduct, indicting very visible figures in our public life. Most of these cases have involved unequivocal breaches of consent, some of which have been criminal. But what have also emerged are conversations surrounding more difficult situations to parse – ones that exist in a much grayer space. When we started our own reporting through this gray zone, we stumbled into a challenging conversation that we can’t stop thinking about. In this second episode of ‘In the No’, radio-maker Kaitlin Prest joins us for a conversation with Hanna Stotland, an educational consultant who specializes in crisis management. Her clients include students who have been expelled from school for sexual misconduct. In the aftermath, Hanna helps them reapply to school. While Hanna shares some of her more nuanced and confusing cases, we wrestle with questions of culpability, generational divides, and the utility of fear in changing our culture. Advisory: This episode contains some graphic language and descriptions of very sensitive sexual situations, including discussions of sexual assault, consent and accountability, which may be very difficult for people to listen to. Visit The National Sexual Assault Hotline at online.rainn.org for resources and support.  This episode was reported with help from Becca Bressler and Shima Oliaee, and produced with help from Rachael Cusick.  Special thanks to Ben Burke and Jackson Prince. Support Radiolab today at Radiolab.org/donate.