The Daily - Journalism, Interrupted: 7 Podcast Hosts on the State of the Media

Warning: This episode contains strong language. In this special episode for subscribers of “The Daily,” the host Michael Barbaro moderates a panel from The New York Times’s DealBook Summit, speaking with journalists and personalities from across the industry about the state of media in 2025.

Duration: 53m
Broadcast on: 13 Dec 2025
Audio Format: other

Warning: This episode contains strong language.

In this special episode for subscribers of “The Daily,” the host Michael Barbaro moderates a panel from The New York Times’s DealBook Summit, speaking with journalists and personalities from across the industry about the state of media in 2025.

Guest:

Charlamagne Tha God, co-host of “The Breakfast Club” and “The Brilliant Idiots” and co-founder of The Black Effect Podcast Network
Jon Favreau, co-founder of Crooked Media and host of “Pod Save America”
Amna Nawaz, co-anchor and co-managing editor of “PBS NewsHour”
David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker and host of “The New Yorker Radio Hour”
Stephanie Ruhle, host of “The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle” on MS NOW
Andrew Schulz, host of “The Brilliant Idiots” and “Flagrant”
Ben Shapiro, co-founder of The Daily Wire and host of “The Ben Shapiro Show”

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