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OpenAI Codex lead on the new shape of product work | Andrew Ambrosino
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90% of people at OpeningEye use codecs. Not 90% of engineers. That's 90% of the entire company. Yeah, this tweet the other day where you said that you intend to make codecs the best desktop app that has ever existed. Yeah, the quality bar for codecs had to be so high that there was never like a hesitation that you have opening this app to do the next thing. That this was your natural choice, just like people have kind of come to open a browser tab, right? That's true. I know there's numbers constantly coming out about the records you guys are setting for usage. But I don't know, like we'll see. A lot of people seem to like the app. Why do you think AI and the top frontier models are just not good at design? I think design's a little bit harder to grade because the human aspect of taste is like part of the feedback mechanism you need. That is still feeling a little bit out of reach for the current technology. What does the shape of product team look like now versus a couple of years ago? Everybody at OpeningEye is very authentic, has great ideas, and so everybody's building everything. And it's not that people are doing fundamentally different roles or focusing on different things. It's that it's backwards. The implementation is actually not at the expense of art anymore. It's dare I say taste. You feel like there's this collapse coming where everyone's everything, and that's just the future? Or do you think we're gonna continue to be mostly divided up? There are some things that I'm afraid of. I've heard a lot of companies be like, we're getting rid of the product role, and everybody's just gonna be a builder. And then what happens is... Today, my guest is Andrew Embersino, product and engineering lead for the codecs app at OpeningEye. codecs is quickly becoming people's go-to app for building products, and also for non-product work, like organizing files in your computer, drafting documents, doing data analysis,
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