After more than a year of struggles with the putter, Scottie Scheffler put together a brilliant performance in the final round of the Arnold Palmer Invitational that could take the world #1 to even higher heights if he keeps it up. Smylie and Charlie wonder if Smylie could win his next three starts given his track record at the PLAYERS, Houston Open, and the Masters. SK and CH also recap Smylie's well-received Friday Happy Hour coverage featuring Jordan Spieth and Max Homa at the API, and the return of a familiar face this week at the PLAYERS.
The Smylie Show
Scottie learned how to putt ... uh oh!
[MUSIC PLAYING] Two. That's Smiley Kaufman for 61. Wow. I'm Smiley Kaufman, and this is The Smiley Show. Smiley, it finally happened. We have been watching-- I feel like we've been watching the first nine Fast and Furious movies with the exact same plot line, the exact same many every week. And then we flipped on the 10th, and lo and behold, something happened that we could not have expected out of this movie script. And listen, I think it's appropriate here, rather than me trying to explain or me trying to sum up what this week was like. I'm just going to throw it to another movie for a quote that sums us up. Happy learn how to putt, uh oh. Scotty learned how to putt. The PGA tour is in big, big, big trouble. And to be fair to Scotty, it's not that he necessarily learned how to putt. It's just that he had a little bit of time in the putting wilderness, and he appears to be back, at least on the strength of his Sunday performance. We are definitely going to get into his putting performance this week, and unpack that at length. But let's just kind of start bigger picture on a theme or a trend you and I have discussed the last couple of weeks, which is just the season of the long shot, kind of going hand in hand with a lack of superstars, winning golf tournaments, right? And so here we are signature event. The world number one wins, he's being chased by, you know, a reigning US Open champ, some other big names up there. Shane Lowry, Will's, Alatoris. But there was something maybe anti-climactic about the fact that Scotty wins by five shots. And so I'm just curious, the question that I want to pose to you and just have you answer this from two perspectives, yours and what's best for the PGA Tour is, in the wake of this win, would you rather see a star like Scotty win a tournament like this in blowout fashion, or are you more excited or more interested in watching some of the finishes we've seen maybe earlier in the year with players who weren't household names, winning by a shot or coming down to the last putt of the tournament or winning in a playoff? - Oh yeah, no, I think there's a place for both, right? You know, I think that's what the viewer likes is the fact that you can turn on the TV and watch the number one player in the world, you know, go in, completely dominate man and win by five shots. Like that to me is, reminds me of my youth, you know, when I used to turn the TV on to watch just Tiger, dismantle golf courses and fields. And sometimes they're made for boring TV, but until you maybe switch it on in your brain and it's like, holy crap, this guy might be that much better than everybody else. It's like, okay, you're watching potential greatness in a guy, right? So that to me is a turn on from a viewer standpoint. But yeah, I think there's a time and a place for the other things too. It's talking about other players, you know, finding their moments that are potential stars, you know? I think we've seen a good mix of that this year. And there's no doubt that we've lost a ton of depth on the PGA Tour. There's still plenty of depth and talent, but we've just lost a lot of names that people recognize. And I think that's been a huge, huge turn off a little bit from people wanting to watch every week 'cause they just don't like the look of the leaderboards. But it's not like the play isn't the same number that you would typically see. You know, you just, you're missing, you know, a Jon Ram and a, you know, a Camp Smith or Brooks Kafka, where if those players were on the leaderboard, what would it have made people turn the TV on more? I mean, maybe I still think our leaderboard was so good heading into Saturday and Sunday. And we didn't get a drama filled Sunday, but I think it was, you know, really cool to see a guy like Scotty Sheff where find an aspect of his game that we've been talking and nauseam about and completely just, I mean, you put in a flawless round yesterday, shooting 600, that was the lowest round by a couple of shots. And if you'd have told me going into the day that Scotty Sheff was going to lead the field in putting that day, I would say, did he win by six or do he win by seven, you know? I mean, it's, it's, you know, to kind of put a bow on where we began, we finally had an American superstar win and I think it's going to open up the door for war wins. It just might be that all of them might be Scotty going forward if he continues to put like this because it was, it was truly insane looking at some of these stats of strokes game putting, where we started on Thursday, you know, where he loses a shot and a half to the field, these 55th out of 79 players still post a 272. And then just kind of steadily got better the next couple of days gained a half shot on Friday, gained a shot and a half on Saturday, and then gains nearly four shots, four strokes gained putting on Sunday to finish first out of 58 players shoots a 666. I heard a really interesting stat going into that final round where I think Russell Henley was on the second green and he was, to that point he'd made all 50 of the putts through the first three rounds he'd had inside 10 feet. And then this is on Sirius X and PGA to radio. It's Will Haskin, Dennis Paulson, where we're going back and forth. And then they said, hey, look, let's, I wonder how, where Scotty would be on the leaderboard if he had had the same sort of record to that point putting. And he would have made eight more putts. He would have been, he would have started the day 17 under. So it's just wild to see then stacking on top of that a day where he does see the ball going the whole and honestly not one of his best ball striking days. But I mean, just looking at what he did, looking at those stats, you know, where, do we need to put the PGA tour on notice in a big way? I mean, did you see enough there? I know you were walking with Will's Alatoris and Wyndham Clark, but just in the highlights and looking back, you know, is this look like a one off to you or is this, could this be a real confidence builder for Scotty going forward? - Well, I've been saying it for a while, let's not judge them based on what we saw in the West Coast. There's too many good players that are fantastic putters that have terrible West Coast putting statistics. And I saw enough personally at the Hero World Challenge watching him putt on Bermuda grass, where I felt like he was, you know, really making a lot of progress. And then of course he struggles on the West Coast. He puts well in Phoenix. He just unfortunately, his stats were skewed because of two, three putts on Sunday, missing really short putts inside a four feet that he just kind of lost focus on. On a week that was really long. And a day where he literally did everything right, he was making those eight to 12 footers you got to make on Sunday, she'll shot, still shot a 66 and ended up a couple shots back. And that's with missing a couple three and a half footers on the last six holes. So in no, it's not a one off. I think he's a very good putter on certain types of grasses. Currently, I think he's got a long way to go, maybe on some Poana or just being a good all around putter everywhere, but I think he's going to put well on bet greens and Bermuda greens, or just have the capability of having a really hot putter. 'Cause he just needs to be average and have the days that he can turn his typical '67s into '62s. That's really all he needs to win golf tournaments. It's just those extra three or four putts on a hot day. Yeah, I mean, if it's really, it's amazing. I mean, just the margins there because, as mentioned, imagine if he had a great ball striking day and putted like this. I mean, we're talking about a five shot runaway win that could have been even more, which is wild. - His teeth agree. - He got one to six, that he was 60 yesterday. - So yeah, I think approach maybe settled in the 20s. There were a lot of up and down, 20 on it. - Yeah, 20 on it. - It's a 21. But I think he had a couple wind gusts yesterday on the par threes, and who can blame the guy? He can't see the wind, you know? (laughing) Yeah, I mean, I think that's the thing too, is like some of those, I mean, Scotty is a guy who can do it all when he's playing well, but adding putting to that, it's like, you know, I mean, it's like Thanos, the glove. He's like putting the, I've not actually seen the movie, so I'm doing like a bad reference here, but I've seen the gifts of the glove, and he just snaps his fingers, and that's what I see Scotty doing to the rest of these fields, if he puts well the rest of this here. I gotta stop down here for all the putter sickos out there, all the tinkerers that just, you know, shout out you guys, because first of all, add the Spider Tour X to my attic wish list. Need to get my hands on one of those after seeing Scotty roll it. But just kind of detailing his journey, 'cause it's been something we've been talking about and reporting, and the PGA Tour put out a little report of what he had in this bag this week. And so it was a Spider Tour X, half inch longer than his previous gamer, features an L-neckozzle and a true path, a limonade with a full sight line on top. He switched because he wants an increased MOI. It's three degrees a lot, but a 72 degree lie angle. So just, you know, and he obviously he's been a blade guy for a while, and it made a lot of different changes going back from 22 into 23. But this is actually a different mallet. We saw him using a mallet for two FedEx Cup playoff events last year. This is a different version of that mallet. And so, yeah, we'll see if it sticks. - When you read equipment stuff, all I can think about is Anchorman, you know I don't speak Spanish Baxter. (laughing) - All of that was just over my head. - I do it for the words out there. - You're always talking to yourself, right? (laughing) - Just like the teacher on Charlie Brown. If wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. - Yeah, no, that's for all the nerds out there who were wanting to know, and really for myself, so I can just read that out loud and imprint in my brain so I can try to track one of those down. I thought the interesting, there's been an interesting discussion around Scotty, you know, related to, is there an actual, you know, technical improvement that's happened here in the mallet? - Oh, so we'd love to kind of start there, and then I'd love to hear Scotty in his own words responding in the winner's press conference. But let's start there just of, you know, where you feel like the biggest improvement was made for him, whether it was a technical thing or just looking at something different and psychologically being in a better place on the greens. - You know, I just happened to run into Phil Kenny on the Pudding Green on Friday, and it was interesting because I feel like everybody's asking him about Scotty's Pudding, you could tell their entire team is annoyed by it, and I kind of caught him, and with, you know, he was just, you know, basically saying just, you know, the changes they made to the putter, Scotty likes it, and, but what he said was, he isn't using the line on his ball, like he was. You know, he was very like meticulous on getting the line in this ball to match correctly with the aimer on the putter, and he said that was like kind of giving him, he was overthinking a little bit about, oh, I gotta match it perfectly, or I'm not gonna make the putt. And now he just puts the golf ball down and uses the aimer on the top of the putter head, and what Phil told me is that it's allowing him to feel more creative, which I agree with. You know, sometimes for someone like Scotty, who's, you know, when you watch him play golf, it's just like point and shoot, you know? It's for him, I think if he can get in that creative mode behind the golf ball and start picturing what he's seeing, and then gets over the ball and keeps that same picture, instead of going from like creating the picture from behind the ball or over the ball, and then you start lining up, and then you go into like in this brain that wants everything to be right and specific, like an OCD type of mentality. And so you go from like this creative mode into the other side of your brain, which is the thinking technical mode. And those two things just don't really mesh well, or at least you'll lose that picture in your ability to be creative on fast greens, where you're playing six footers outside of the holes. So besides Phil mentioning the wine of the ball, he just said that Phoenix really kind of like took a lot out of him. I think he felt like he should have won that week. So those were the couple like just little nuggets I got from Phil, which I thought was pretty cool. And then the fact that I definitely got wind from their team that like they didn't want to talk about the puttic anymore. They were tired about us talking about it as well. - Well, I mean, no better way to end that discussion than to go out and do what he did this week. And now if we are talking about the puttings, it's gonna be how great it is. That's really interesting because to me, so much of Scotty's game is home cooked. The feet shuffling around, some of his sort of angles of attack maybe look different from what the sort of tour standard is, but obviously he does it incredibly well. I mean, he does it better than anyone else on tour in the world right now. And so it's interesting when you get to the green, you're trying to kind of bottle up that same sort of essence of who you are as a player. And it feels like that if we're talking about feel putters, usually in your head, when you say that, you think of a guy who uses a blade. And then a mallet is almost sort of moving you more in the direction of the broomstick or the arm lock or something that's more of like, hey, I'm using a system so I can take kind of feel and creativity out of it. So really interesting to hear that from Phil Kinion and maybe the smaller aspects of that, where the thing that's taking the robotic aspect out of it is not using a lot of the ball anymore and letting the built-in features of this mallet, he's gone to kind of take that ease his mind and that direction a little bit. So that's interesting intel and one to obviously keep an eye on to see if this holds up with the players this week and going forward. Let's take a listen to Scottie here. This is just him on that same topic after winning yesterday. - I'm curious how much of it would you attribute to the actual club and how much to kind of between the years, some of the stuff you're talking about, of kind of quieting your. - Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, it has a lot to do with the stuff we talked about on Monday. Keeping the mind as quiet as possible. And you know, part of the problem is just trying too hard, you know, it's frustrating to not be, you know, not have the best of myself just because I know that I can putt really well. It's not like, you know, I've been a bad putter my whole career. I've just gone through a stretch where it's been tough. And yeah, I think this week I did a really good job of not letting the misses get to me. You know, Teddy did a really good job to keep me in a good headspace and you know, we stayed positive out there and I hit. Hit a lot of good putts, a lot of good putts this week. - So that's interesting to me for a couple of reasons. I mean, obviously the lines of what you just heard from Phil, but we saw some early week frustration out there. We saw some turns and some sort of, you know, venting and some swung putters in the air. How did that, how did those comments land for you? - Well, if I played that golf course and didn't lose my mind and get frustrated, like it's the most human thing that any golfer would experience at Bay Hill. - Dude, that golf course was so mother effing hard and I'm serious. Like it, it was a US Open test. And, but it was, it's not my favorite way out. Like, I just think it's a little goofy at times, you know, like 13 yesterday downwind, like you can't hold that green, like even with wedges. Like it just, there's so many things about the golf course that don't make sense with how hard they make it play. Now, is it, now did we get the best players rising to the top and is 15 under or even second place at 10 under the winning score where we won it? Yeah, it's just a, maybe it just shows how good these guys are now, but I just picture now, now this is a bit of a side turn here and I'm not going to go too long on it, but with a rolled back equipment on this golf course I'm telling you, if it's, if it's what I think the golf ball might do on a windy day, it's like, what? Right. Well, that, that is a tangent. That's, that's a Yarnworth pulling on because I, I just wonder what, what, how they are going to get to where they need to go on the golf ball, because there are obviously there are different ways you can, you can engineer it to achieve, you know, the, the less speed in the golf ball. And one of them, one of the ways to do that is to add more spin back in the ball. And so yeah, kind of your point, you know, some, like, I think was it Saturday where it was like 88 degrees and blowing 30 miles an hour and balls and as spinning all over the place. I mean, it'd be carnage. And, and that's the, the wild thing is there, we already are seeing carnage with the current golf ball. So, uh, yeah, rollback will be, uh, we might get a few interesting ones early on before we, uh, Atlanta. I think the only PJ tour event where I want to see the rollback and play is TPC Craig Ranch. I just think like what a, what a place to test out the rollback. We don't need to do it at Bay Hill. Let's do it at a place where they shoot 35 under every time. Let's, let's make them use hickory clubs and blot of balls at TPC Craig Ranch, a real historic venue. I think it's just the charm of the game. It's what Byron Nelson be proud of that, I think, you know, just hitting, hitting a mashies off of a astro turf, living astro turf, Zoysia grasses, TPC Craig Ranch. Yeah, uh, one more from Scotty, uh, just on the putter itself. I just, uh, you know, I, I, I want to hear in his words how he feels about this new plastic. So here's him being asked, you know, is, is he going to use this putter for a while? You feel like you found the putter you'll be using for a while? I mean, hopefully, uh, yeah. Um, I think I, I like not having to line the ball up. You know, I, I, I line this putter up well in the middle of the face. Um, it's, it's very good visually. Um, and yeah, I mean, I try not to focus too much on the results, but my process was really good this week. And, um, you know, the results so far are pretty, pretty tough to argue with, I'd say. I gotta say, as a sicko tinker, like nothing resonated more deeply for me yesterday than hearing him say. Yeah, hopefully I know, I know that world. Um, as we sort of exit this equipment section with Scottie, there's something that caught my eyes. I was looking through his, you know, winter, what's in the bag article on PGA tour and curious to sort of pick your brain on this, because I saw his 50 degree wedge and his 56 degree wedge, 50 has 12 degrees of bounce on it and the 56 has 14 degrees of bounce on it. And I think we, we've been sort of accustomed, you know, to, hey, the better players use less bounce because, you know, they can just find the bottom easier and they're so skilled and bounces is maybe a tool for a lesser skilled player. I'm curious if you can explain to someone who doesn't maybe understand this as, as well as you do it at a tour pro level, you know, would, would more bounce on Scottie's wedges be a product of him having a steeper angle of attack or is this like a something he did specific to this week at Bay Hill? Why would that be a feature of his wedge setup? Was it 60? How much bounce is 60? They don't show bounce on the 60 because it's, it's a proto, which I assume they have some sort of custom grind. It's a, it's a 60 and a half degree and it's a T grind. So I'm, I assume there's, there's less bounce there, but on the other two note, no idea. I mean, it's typical to have like mid to higher bounces on like your, your other wedges for sure helps get through the turf better on wedge shots better for around the greens out of the rough. I'm not sure. It really just kind of depends with the 60 years. I'm not like a bounce expert. I'm not quite, I don't claim to be. I just know kind of how it works and, and how it's used this week. It was really easy to chip. Like the lies were perfect. The, uh, rough was so thick. So you really are just, you would like to have a little bit more bounce and, and heavier rough. And you would probably defer down to a 56 degree a lot, uh, especially if it was sitting halfway up to you. The ball went and roll up the face, uh, which is what you typically see when that ball is sitting halfway up in the rough or a lot of people are like, what do you mean halfway in the rough? It's like, well, well, the rough they play on to where the ball can not all, it doesn't necessarily get all the way on the ground or sit on top. So it's, there's middle layer is where the ball sits and you got to find a way to get shallow and use a little bit more bounce. Um, same goes with heavier bunkers. Um, when there's more sand in the bunkers, you're going to want to use more bounce versus less balance and defer down to a sandwich versus a lob wedge. So here's my bounce. Uh, there's my bouncy. Uh, and, and listen, we'll, um, we'll get back to balls and the rough. Uh, you know, being that was talking about, that was talking about. That was your talking about segment. Look forward to that. Or maybe don't for future shows. Uh, so last couple of years for Scotty's schedules look like API players match play than the masters. No, no match play this year, but in his winter's press conference, Scotty confirms he's going to play Houston this year in that same calendar spot. Uh, he's played Houston, uh, four times best finish was, uh, uh, T two and 2021, uh, his most recent appearance in 2022 finished T nine. So this is a place where he's had some success. So look, he's, he won the obviously won the 2022 masters. He's the defending champ at the players, uh, noting worth noting here, uh, following that first API win of his in 2022, he followed that up by winning at his next start, uh, at the match play and then at the master. So this time of year is, is good to him. Uh, are we ready to go out on a limb here and say, could we see Scotty win and four consecutive starts? Is that in the realm of possibility? Ooh, uh, yeah, dude. Yeah, I really think so, um, I mean, I just think about this week. I, I, I think he's, he's the dude to beat this week. I think you got to stripe your way around this golf course. I think putting out here is not going to be an issue. So yeah, I, I think he could win this week. I think Houston, the field will be watered down and then, um, the masters is a place that I picked him to win the beginning of the year. So yeah, I think there's a pretty good possibility that he could win the next three events. And that's, in that crazy to say, I mean, that's why we talk about just like the viewing experience on the weekend. It's like, Oh, well, I turned it off. Cause Scottie was up by this much. Like, dude, you're, I mean, this is what tiger used to do. Yeah. I mean, it will, and literally we're combining a guy who had tiger prime ball striking last year with a guy who, if he, if he's, you know, puts it the way he did on Sunday, just runs away with it. I mean, I think to, to get back to that initial question, cause I asked you this. And I think, you know, my opinion on it is I find this, I'm, I'm in your camp where it's like we're watching greatness. And I think maybe there's part of it too, where it's, it's this riddle we've been trying to solve with Scottie and to see it finally come good is like, Oh, wow, if, if this continues, his potential is, is limitless. Like he could win every single week. I mean, you know, in looking at a schedule, the conversation we're having right now, it's not absurd to say he could win four consecutive starts. Like I don't even think you'd get that good of betting odds on that because of, you know, just what we saw on that Sunday around. We'll see if it holds up. The one thing just talking about Scottie's schedule that I was actually thinking about this yesterday on, on the golf course and, and what Tiger was really good about was, was playing less, but being ready to win when he did show up. And I think Scottie right now has played a lot of golf, like up to this point in his career to where I think he can start really tightening up his schedule if he wanted to. Um, and I know like they're, they're expecting a baby in the next however many months, maybe that changes things for him as the years go on to where he plays a little less and when he shows up, he's ready to win because the more you play, the harder it is to win every week, just from a mental perspective, like you just don't have the energy to be able to win every week. And Tiger was so good about, you know, if he played however many weeks in a row, like he was ready to play those weeks in a row, which Scottie's, he's played really well for the most part from end of February, March, April. And then as kind of as the years gone or the, the months have gone by in the year, you know, hasn't been as good at winning in the summer, uh, then I hadn't played a time in the fall, but that's to me, the Ben, the formula it's been missing is like, can you keep the stamina up the entire year to win golf term? It's not, we know he can finish top five. It's more about, can you win at the clip that we, that we think Scottie can win it? And I think the one thing he would look at in the future is like tightening up his schedule a little bit instead of playing 25 minutes, playing, playing 20. Uh, it's, it's a great point. And I wonder, I wonder what that schedule ends up looking like because he does feel like a horse for course type player at, at, you know, high level, challenging venues. I mean, four of his seven wins in his career thus far, you know, two of those are repeats. And he's now won the oral polymer and rotational twice and the W and Phoenix open twice. Um, like, to me, like Charlie real quick, like, like, he, it wouldn't surprise me for him to like completely omit a lot of the west coast. Like he played in the Amex this year. Like that's not like the type of golf course that he should be playing. Like he's a guy that needs to be playing on hard golf courses. I get starting the year kind of getting your feet underneath ya. And even like century, like Rory Tiger never played century because of shoot out. And, you know, he can win there. And he's just, um, to me, it's like, all right, if, if, if Scotty wants to win more and not wear himself out, it's like pick where you want to play where, you know, he can go win. That's what Tiger used to do. Yeah. I think it's a great point. Definitely want to keep it on. And yeah, I mean, is you and I know, well, kids change everything, you know? So it's, it's there. That's going to be an adjustment period for him and, uh, and for Meredith, of course. And, uh, the, the guy I want to get to next is Will Zalatoris. Uh, you were with the, the Zalatoris, Wyndham Clark group on Sunday. Um, and just looking at his results this year. So started off with a miss cut at Sony AMX. He finished his tie for 34 farmers. He finished his tie for 13th Genesis finishes tied for a second. And now the Arnold Palmer invitational finishes tied for fourth. I mean, personally, from where we started this year, really kind of going back to what, the way we were talking about Will at the hero, my mind is blown to how fast we got to this version of Will Zalatoris. I mean, given where we were with the eye test for both the putting and just looking at that sort of rebuilt swing in December, you know, wondering when is it going to all kind of come together in a tournament setting? And here we are. I mean, back to back top five finishes and signature events. Uh, my question for you is, is, I mean, are we looking at a version of Will Zalatoris that could somehow be better than the pre surgery version? Now that he's kind of established some consistency with that broomstick. Well, um, he'll never, it doesn't seem like at this point that he's going to be playing his way out of tournaments, like he used to a little bit with the putter at times and with this kind of modified swing where he's got a little bit, a little less side bend in his golf swing, um, a little less stiff. It's set up, you know, dude, the ball striking's there. It's back and, and looks exactly the same to me. Um, as it did, I think he was probably a little better driver of the ball. Um, and I'm looking at the stats this week and, and he was third in, in off the tee this week. So I'm saying like, I just think he was a little better off the tee, uh, before his injury and he's still elite. I'm just telling you like how good it used to be. It was like, it was stupid. Um, he's still right there, like as a, as a top five driver of the golf ball on tour with the driver in his hands. It's, I'm just telling you, that's the level that he was at. And he's still just like a step below that iron games were ridiculous. The putter to me, um, and you see it all the time with the guys that go to broomstick. When you get something heavy in their hands and in something new, it, it just, it's a new system to learn. And I think for me, it's, it just looks like he's got a better pace to his stroke. He, there's no rush to it. And the ball's coming off and I could see it from the side of the green. It's rolling end over end, uh, which is a great sign. So he's putting a great role on the golf ball. Um, but as far as like what we expect to see from Will's out of Taurus and I'll start lumping in Wyndham Clark and here as well, because, uh, I could not have been more impressed with what I saw from Wyndham Clark on Sunday. Uh, didn't quite get the putts to go in like in the last 13 holes besides making one on 18 that was like, Oh man, if I needed that a little earlier in the round, but, uh, both of these two guys, I just, I walked away thinking, man, these two dudes have everything that you were looking for as far as just attitude, talent. Um, and just the ability to be there at these big events, kind of similar to, you know, I was kind of thinking of a comparison. I was like, all right, Wyndham Clark, he won Wells Fargo last year, the signature event. He wins the U S open at Pablo, or excuse me, U S open at L A C C. And we're still thinking like, all right, he's a breakout guy. And then he goes and wins at Pablo on a 54 hole event. And, and for me, like as somebody who watches the game and has seen him played a little bit, not as much as some of these other guys in my head, I'm thinking, like, all right, where is Wyndham Clark in the, in the game right now? Is he, is he the best, like it? Can he be a number one, number two player in the world? Um, like where does he stack up? And I think like him getting in contention here at Bay Hill and now I'm going back. It's like, all right, let's look at the golf courses. We have Wells Fargo. That's a pretty big ballpark. L A C C was a pretty big ballpark. And then Pebble Beach, like totally different conditions from those. So you have to like take spin off the golf ball, a fairly big ballpark. But, and then we get here at Bay Hill this week, which is not a big ballpark. One, you have to be so accurate. So all that to say is, is that same with Will's Alotaurs, they're just players that can play on a lot of different styles of golf courses. They're games translate well. And Wyndham Clark to me reminds me of the attitude and swagger that Brooks Capka brings brought to the PGA tour and major championships, where you just start, I think we're just going to start to see him on tops of these big time leaderboards because of the way he plays the game and the style in which he plays the game as well, which I think translates to big boy golf. That's, it's interesting because if you're looking at Will's Alotaurs' trajectory this year, it's, it's just a straight line up, you know, or he started the year of a struggling and he's just consistently improved in every start since then, you know, basically to where we are now. Whereas Wyndham, he, he, of course has, he's got the win in the 54 hole shortened, you know, version of the 18T Pro Am, the solo second here now. But you look at the rest of the schedule and it's kind of been a mixed bag for him this year, T29, it's century, T39 AMX, T41 at the WM and misses the cut at the Genesis. So, I mean, as we kind of go into the, you have your hand up here. So I'm going to call on you like I'm in a classroom here. What, what do you got for me? Who does that remind you of? Like who used to do the exact same thing? That's a great call. Like I kept a, I kept a type of player. So it's just to kind of parse through your statement a little bit is like, are you, what I'm hearing you say is it's not necessarily for Wyndham, the venue he's at anymore because to your point, we've now seen him succeed in big ballparks and, and, you know, tighter tests. But it's more of a, of a sign of the, the stature of the event he's playing in. It's a big game. So I assume if we're looking at the players and the masters in a month, you really like his chances of both those places. I think you're going to see him at these like big time events. I just think he's a player that rises to the occasion. I don't think he's scared of it. I think like similar to Brooks Kepka, like if he's going to play at TBC Craig Ranch, he's just, he's just not going to get his hyped up for it. And I think his game, he's a very smart player too. Like he's got all this power, but he also plays with intelligence. So to be able to put the ball in the fairway and trust his long iron game, it's, it's being able to, to dissect golf courses and know what a good score is that day. Where I think like Wyndham almost gets lost on like, on these events that were, you can shoot a million under because there's just no strategy involved. But I think he does better when his mind has to focus on playing big boy golf. Kind of similar to Brooks was the same way. This is so mind-blowing me because I was just in here and you talk about that. I was like, well, let me go look back at it. I know he hasn't been around for a ton of time. He certainly had the talent for a long period of time, but really that win last year at the Wells Fargo and what was then a designated event was his big sort of breakthrough on the scene. And of course he falls that up on a couple of months, the US Open. So I wonder what his historical record is of some of the majors. Wyndham Clark has never played the Masters. There you go. Isn't that interesting? I mean, I guess it's not super. It's kind of like it's the best segue in the world. If you wanted to get into some of the things he talked about, like that Rory mentioned on, because honestly, I'll kind of set that up for you as you go. Is that we saw with Rory Mackerel and we listened. All right. We've talked about this on the podcast that I, I, I fully support a, a top 100 rolling 30 off relegation system every year. And this isn't something that's new. It's a lot of the players have been talking about it. But Rory mentioning it in a press conference after his round or just doing some media after the round, just talking about how he would like to see a tighter top of the world golf tour. And Wyndham also agreed with that. And a lot of people took issue with Wyndham Clark saying that because it's like, Hey buddy, like you weren't a top 100 player in the world until last year. Who were you to say, you know, like, would your opinion have been the same on this matter two years ago than it is right now? And it's just kind of a product of the situation you're in, which is, you know, Wyndham's obviously now he's a top 10 player in the world. And his opinions have changed. So, but all right. Here's a, here's a player who's been on the PGA tour before. I've, I've been somebody who I don't agree with what the top players in the world. Um, have kind of seen the way the games should be going. But also I've been a top 50 player in the world where I'm like, okay, I can see what they're saying. So I have different perspectives in this. And then now I'm in the media side where I understand like from a network rating standpoint, what we need to see. And I have totally shifted in towards this top 100, uh, format for a global P, whether it's a global PGA tour, a top PGA tour, um, tour, to me, I think that's going to be, uh, getting the players playing against each other the most. You don't have to have these like crazy, crazy, uh, purses. And even if you do, you could keep them there and it's going to be a little, it's going to be a little less at, at some of, uh, like if John Deere and the cognizant are, are on this well, we're corn fairy tour plus. It's like, yeah, they won't have to pay as much over down there. So all that to say is we got some, we got some audio that you can tee up on. And, and we're going to do this. We'll do this back to back. We're first, we're going to hear Rory on Friday, setting up the sort of initial idea and then we'll hear windoms sort of, uh, furthering at that line of thought on Saturday after his round question and answer included. So you have the full context. So let's, let's start here, uh, with Rory on, uh, Friday. Would you have preferred more players? I mean, there's only 69 in this one, the way it worked out. Um, did they maybe need to look at that? Uh, no, I mean, I'm, I'm all for making it more cutthroat, more competitive. Um, I'm like, probably won't be very popular for sadness, but I'm all for last players and last tour cards and that, you know, the best of the best. Rory said, or talked yesterday about how he wants the tour to be a little leaner, maybe more cutthroat fewer guys to keep cards. Is that something that you're in favor for? Um, you know, smaller fields and fewer members. Um, yeah. I mean, I think it'd be amazing if our tour was a hundred guys and. Kind of said this a few times, a hundred guys and we have 20 guys to get relegated every time every year, it doesn't matter who you are. And I think it'd be exciting because you come down to the end of the year, people are looking who's going to win the FedEx. And then you're looking at who's not going to be here next year. Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm probably with Rory on that. Um, I don't know what that number is. Um, but it's, I think it's just nice to elevate the products and make it to where the best players are playing on TV more often and against each other. So just, I think here's, if I'm trying to put a hat on where I'm being a window mopologist or I'm trying to kind of, you know, see what he's trying to say here. Uh, he follows this with another answer where he says, where they're asking specifics on numbers. He said, look, that, that's above my pay grade. I'm not sure, but I just like to see a system with, you know, X amount of players to hard number and then a relegation system. So I think, I think the things to take away from this are. The, and also part of that follow up question was you're talking about this event here, right? So this was supposed to be a 70 player field that ended up being a 69 player field. And Wyndham's advocating actually for a larger field for a hundred player field. Okay. And then we're talking about over the course of the season, you know, wherever Wyndham was prior to being a top 100 player in the world, he's advocating for a promotion relegation system that see 20 lose their cards and 20 or whatever gain their cards. So he is actually advocating for a system that is something of an open shop. I mean, certainly more open than some other tours in the world right now. And, and he's advocating for something, but he's just, I think what, what he's trying to say here is, Hey, like we also, we have to acknowledge the, the, the different needs we have across the game. As you just kind of noted here, there are, if, if this thing is going to become an investment for SSG or others, you got to create a return on that. And how do you do that? You create value through television contracts and broadcasters. And it's hard to deliver on that. If you don't have some driving interest through a strong strength of field. So I, I, I'm curious how this landed for you both, you know, from all the perspectives that you just listed as a, as a former tour pro who was, it was in both sides of the camp as a broadcaster. And then maybe just as a fan of the game and just seeing the way that people react to this very strongly on social media and aftermath these comments. Yeah, you know, let's just thinking about it this way. So as it stands now, the PGA tour, let's say there's 200 players, right? You know, we cut down to 125. So we're cutting 75 dudes every year. Um, and that's been a little bit more cutthroat into, we're cutting 130 players. Uh, to make the playoffs from 200 all the way down to 70, right? And really even more cutthroat than that to make signature events, we're cutting 150 players. So we are in a very cutthroat system as it is. So I think you see players across the PGA tour, maybe dis, disagreeing. With why do we need to continue to make it more cutthroat when we already have a pretty cutthroat system as it is that that rewards players that are in signature events with more FedEx cup points based on the new distribution list this year. Uh, so, you know, I see both sides of it. Um, I do think that the problem that we have right now in the PGA tour is, is that outside the signature events, unless you run into a lucky situation at the MX, we have a bunch of, uh, top tour players playing and then you have a Nick Dunlap winning. You, you, you can't sell these stories every week. You know what I mean? Like you could sell like a story every once every month, but, and we had this conversation with our, some of our guys this week, it's, it's, it's tough. Like, listen, like, I think Jignap winning and Austin Echo winning, like these are like bona fide studs and stars, but it's just hard for the local, local dude who watches the PGA tour a week. Unless you follow it, it's, it's hard to turn on the TV and see that name. And you're just like, I know who he is. I know how good this guy is. But how do I get Charlie's family to care about Austin Echo and Jignap? We care about him. Actually, your family's a bad example. I'm sure there are big supporters of the pod. They know Jignap. So guy that we support, but we're talking about just new names and stories. Yeah, and that's the problem that we have right now is that we're having to sell these stories too often on non signature event weeks. And I think if you had a PGA tour schedule with a hundred guys that had a schedule that, that had these players, mainly the top players playing week and week out, you have to sell these stories less, which is what we would think, what happened, um, and would maybe garner interest every week where you see the leader board and you're like, okay, know these names, like I'm tuning in. So I think that's where we're at right now on the PGA tour from a, a network standpoint. It's like, okay, this leaderboard isn't great, um, at all. And this is going to be tough to sell and get people to watch our ratings or, uh, if you look across the board from NBC, CBS, whatever, like the ratings are down, like they're down. So we had to figure out a way to make the product, um, better in it and it's a, it's not just us. It's the PGA tour. It's the, and the way in which the PGA tour, uh, runs their, their tour to keep, to keep interest and, uh, helping the networks out because right now, like it's hard to sell some of these, some of these events that we're having to, uh, try to find stories every week. You know what I mean? A hundred percent and I wonder if, you know, and that's, so that's sort of the, the, the sort of money making side of it, the broadcasting piece of it, you know, selling ads against it. I wonder if internally, you know, for players that it would actually be cleaner to have these more rigid categories or just to, to clearly communicate this is what you're playing opportunities are going to look like at the beginning of a year because as we've talked about as well, one of the, one of the consistent storylines we've seen is all these guys who just think they've got their tour card coming off the corn fairy tour and all these various different reshuffle categories, Q school, whatever else are, they keep trying to play and they can't get in a bunch of these events at the, at the beginning of the year. And so much so that they're the, uh, I think the valve spar and I think maybe both Houston and Valero are going to go to expanded fields to get more of these guys playing opportunities. And so it, it, it, to me, it's like, I'd almost would rather be more up front. I mean, if that's the way I want it to be, if, if this was my livelihood is like, just tell me the hard truth up front of what I'm going to be, you know, be able to get to do this year instead of over promising and under delivering. And I think that's what, where, you know, kind of takes us back to where, you know, when we kind of sketched out what we're hoping to see in 2025 and beyond is let's just stratify the tours. Like let's just be realistic about it. Like it'd be great if we lived in a world where everyone, you know, cared the way we do about the Austin Echrods and the Jake Knapps of the world and wanted to tune in and it did huge TV ratings and, you know, it paid for everyone's salaries. But like in reality, the thing that's going to probably help even the guys who are, you know, of lower popularity and lower status would be a, a, a big platinum tour that is, feels more like a closed shop that definitely has promotion, relegation opportunities, but the, the big tour that, that a big sponsor is willing to come in and pay for their limited amount of events, you know, once a month maybe that we know all the players are going to show up, PGA tour, live, whatever. And then this more regular PGA tour that is making realistic asks of the John Deere's of the world and the sponsors is saying, this is the level of play. And by the way, and all the guys who were, who got your car, this is what your opportunities are going to be to play in this year. I, so what do you, what do you think just from a purse perspective, like, if you had to say on the platinum tour, what, what that purse should be versus like what a, the relegated PGA tour would be. So like, for instance, the John Deere events versus like the Bay Hill events, like, do you think it's like, I always think in like somewhere around the 20 million, like anywhere between the, like a 15 to 25 would probably be the platinum and then maybe somewhere between like three to seven in, in the other, is that there? That sounds about right to me. That sounds about right to me. I mean, I'd have to kind of look, you know, individually, each of those purses. But I mean, for me, it's like almost like you want to, um, without saying a hard number, it's like you'd want to take whatever the current signature event and math and, and, um, major purses are and bump those up 25% if there's a big sponsor coming in and willing to invest in it, say, no, there's going to be a ton of interest in this thing. Cause there, there are less events. And then you want to take the, the, the regular PGA tour events, you know, not nitpick on John Deere, but those level events and knock them down by at least 25%. Because what I know isn't sustainable. And when we talk about this around the Sony is, you know, this ask the tours making of all these tournaments to up their purses by 250,000 this year, 500,000 in the next couple of years and maybe more going forward and that's coming directly out of the checks they're riding to those local charities. And so they're saying, I mean, yeah, can we really do this anymore? And so it's like, and again, it's like that's my frustration with the way people react to this on social media is like they want to rail against, you know, this closed shop tour and they want to say, you know, I thought this game used to be about, you know, merit based and playing opportunities for everyone. And that's the, that's the sort of, that's the, the, the driving principle of the tours, create playing opportunities for its members. It's like, that's all good and fine. But then when you sit down, you look at the, the realistic, you know, balance sheets for these things and how are we going to make money? And how are we going to kind of, you know, trickle that down to all the various places we're hoping to impact and touch, whether that's a check for a player or whether that's a check for a charity, it just doesn't make sense the way we've been doing it. And so I mean, yeah, like the PGA tour, um, they, the problems that they have, like, you know, they're, they're trying to keep the players like first, they're trying to keep them as happy as they can be to where they're paid appropriately or at least somewhat comparable to the live players and that, that affects charity, it affects a trickle down to eventually a watered down product to the non signature events. And listen, the rights fees for the PGA tour are over inflated, you know, like they're just not what there's what the networks paid for. And of course now the networks are what they've had to do is to make a profit. It's more commercials, which hurts the fans in the long run in this. So the whole thing goes like this, you know, if the, if the rights fees were lower, you have less commercials and listen, it's just because the networks aren't seeing the return and the ratings. So it's just a very difficult thing that the PGA tour has to navigate because they, they need the product to be as profitable for, for the players, um, for the networks and ultimately it makes the fan experience, um, as good as it can possibly be because that's what gets them to watch every week and to care, you know, yeah, I think that's, and I think that that's probably where we start heading as these investors who are now very much interested in the financial viability and growth of the product going forward, that's probably something that happens, um, you know, whether that's just kind of behind the scenes assessing where we're at and where we want to go right now, but then maybe some actual concrete changes next year, you know, going forward. I think, you know, the only the changes I would suggest if we're, if we're talking about playing opportunities for this year is, um, you know, or just even going forward is I'd like to see the winners category move above the next 10 and swing five categories. Cause I think that's been a weird one this year where a guy who's even winner categories, man, I can't even get that far on this debate because I don't understand the criteria. I mean, I just, I just think it's, you know, it's just weird to have guys that, that feel like they're deserving, not getting to some of these events. I'm talking about current form. Like if we're, if that's going to be the thing is we're trying to create these ways for guys who are already in in our top 50 to play their way in, like let's really, you know, try to do that for that limited pool. Not everybody, but for that limited pool. Um, and then I just, I'm curious where you're, where you kind of land on some sponsor exemptions, both thus far and going forward, because I think that's the other one where there was some chatter online after Rory's cutthroat comments that was basically like, Hey, like, so are we cutting off tiger sponsor exemptions? Like, I mean, I'm not advocating that. I think that that you ever give tiger exemptions, because it folds back into what we're talking about from a broadcast perspective, right? Like he's going to draw eyeballs. That's going to line the, you know, that brings money into the game that gets distributed and makes everyone happy. But, um, but I think, you know, I don't know, like, I mean, I look at it like this way, like Jake Knapp after Tory plays well six to the swing five. Doesn't get into pebble would have loved to seen him there, but instead those, those exemptions go to different pros and that's, that's fine. That's the decision that was made. But just curious, you know, if you feel like any suggestions you would make to the current model going forward, yeah, how, how it feels to compose. I liked 70 there this week with a hundred been fine. Yeah. Um, I think there is every signature event, probably 10 to 15 guys that I would like to see playing. Uh, but I don't, I don't necessarily feel like 120 should be there. I think a hundred is a good number, probably maybe 90, 80. Uh, but it was cool playing too. Since right from the get go, it just felt like a big time event right, right. Uh, from the big, the beginning of the event, but, um, yeah, I mean, I, I don't know if we're going to see the big changes next year for, for, we'll take another year after that, but, um, hopefully we get there. Yeah. Well, this is my, I'm going to do my little segue here from talking about, uh, TV contract values and things that I'm probably not qualified to talk about. And we probably should have another business sports, business expert on the show to bring these things down for us. Uh, but, but I'm moving over to Friday, happy hour with smiley, because the reviews are in and the people loved it. Uh, I, before we get too far, I'm wondering if I can get a retroactive video credit on my, uh, the great shooting I did. I'm your tee shot. Um, 16 to spy glass, so that's how it was kind enough to rose. Like he kind of went easy on you with the rose. He, he said, I love, he's like, it's hard to rose. People swings when they're sitting right in front of you. Yeah. No, totally. Um, yeah, no, uh, listen, happy hour has been a success so far. You know, it kind of started, uh, at Phoenix, it was kind of happy hour on a Saturday where the leaders were on the front nine and the backside of the way it was coming through, so it was a happy hour feel on a Saturday, even though we were supposed to have the leaders. So that's really kind of the idea. It came about to continue it on. Um, I went to the cognizant, had Paul Goldschmidt come on, um, and they got into, uh, obviously this past week, uh, Behill and, and luckily, uh, unfortunate to have Jordan Spieth and Max Homa, uh, take time, uh, to come and do it. Because listen, it, you know, it's a big event, like to have these players come by and say, Hey, it's important for the players to get on TV to enhance the, uh, fan experience and to give perspective. Dude, the entire rest of the weekend, we were, uh, as broadcasters were referring to, to, uh, nuggets that Max Homa and Jordan gave us about the golf course. Because listen, we, we, we see it, we walk it, but we're not playing it. We don't, we don't pick up on certain things like these players are. And to me, it just was an added, um, perspective and it set us up really for what we were looking forward to for Saturday and Sunday and the weekend. And yes, we had some fun, uh, but we also kind of got golf nerdy in there as well. So, you know, it felt like basically us doing our, you know, the podcast just on, on TV, you know, and, and so to me, it was a big success. We're doing it, uh, the players on 17, which is going to be just kind of surreal to be honest, going to be really cool, uh, for me to do that, uh, with my, uh, with my first running mate, Kevin Kissner. So hopefully we can maybe snag another player, uh, or two to come by, uh, because I really think it just, uh, you know, it's, it's not overbearing. It's just like an hour, hour and a half. It's not, it doesn't ruin the coverage. Cause I think it just gives us just that, that added oomph, um, of how the golf course is playing, um, it, it's great exposure for the players. Um, the action, not the players tournament. I mean, I guess it's exposure for the players tournament, but the, the player that comes in, um, the lowercase players and the all caps players or the same thing between those two. Yeah. And, uh, honestly just, uh, you know, I got a ton of support out out there on Saturday and Sunday at Bay Hill of just, uh, fans that were out there that said they enjoyed it. So it was really, really cool, uh, to see that. I'm, I'm obviously thankful to, uh, the NBC team for giving me the opportunity to, to, uh, highlight these players and having them come in and just having bar white conversations with them, if you will, just like we're sitting on the couch, just hanging out, which is the vibe that we kind of treat our podcasts as well with these interviews, just kind of, uh, just to our talk, if you will. So it was, it's been really successful. So far I'm looking forward to not only this week, but, uh, the rest of the NBC swing doing it. Yeah, I mean, I am fired up to get a second helping of cough and kids, uh, out there at 17 sawgrass, uh, just brief one for you there. Have you looked up the Florida state flag? Do you know what that looks like? You prepared in case that, that hits the broadcast on Friday. Um, we got, we have time. I'm moving to a notice right now. Uh, just a big orange. I actually do not know what a Florida state flag looks like. So I'm furious at googling this. I'm just picturing like a big clementine in the middle of the flag. That, that doesn't look what I, what I thought it would look like. Um, I just say Google ed if I were you, just make sure you're prepped in case you get, you get an honor moment, uh, where we did the infamous, uh, misidentification of the Arizona state flag was a great way to identify it. I actually just didn't identify it at all. I tap dance around it actually. I mean, there was, if I'm getting critical, there, there were, there should have been enough in the way of context clues to decide what that flag was. But, but listen, it made for good TV. That's all that matters. Uh, you don't even want to know what my impulsive answer would have been. So I was just like, uh, that's, that's, uh, no, it, obviously y'all, uh, that was a, a, a, a fun, a really fun watch that WM so excited for more of that. And I also should say like there, in terms of the, the responses that were coming in, it's cool to see, you know, the, the no laying up guys who traditionally have, have, you know, had critiques of NBC sports golf channel broadcasts and really, really enjoyed this product, uh, this product. And I mean, that's an encouraging, that's a cool piece of feedback to see. You know, I mean, I think that, that those types of things, you know, their, their point there was, look, we're just asking for, um, to try stuff. And, and this is something that is, you know, it's a Friday. We're out in the weekend yet, um, it's a way to kind of make the broadcast entertaining, but also to your point with Max and Jordan informative, you know, I mean, they're giving you nuggets that you can take and use the rest of the week. So, um, cool stuff excited for more this week with, with Kevin Kissner. Uh, what's, what is the latest? We have any updates on the players kayak plan on Wednesdays. That materializing or is that kind of a fall on the wayside. I, I just haven't pushed forward. I just felt like I felt like it was going to be too much. I listened, I just think the spotlight would have been too much on, on, on me. And they're because like, dude, as soon as you get in the kayak and the water, it's like, what are we doing here? You know, especially on that stage, like in on 17 of the Sony, it's just like, all right. We're just hanging out out here. Nobody's around, but yeah, like too much could go wrong. Um, maybe in the future we'll have to all see about it this week. Um, I'm not expecting to do it. Just don't, just don't rule it out. Don't rule it out. No, no, not ruling it out. They bring you the kayak in the, the GoPro. I'd say hop in there. They can happen. Yeah, not ruling it out, but yeah. Okay. Well, that's, that's, uh, that's your, your, uh, your happy hour players, uh, you know, round up and preview, uh, so pump for that this week. Uh, a few other ones kind of want to get here. Just just some updates from around the golf world, uh, go over to live. Uh, there was a three way playoff, uh, to, to finish up the live Hong Kong event that Abraham answered one over Paul Casey and Cam Smith. Uh, I guess this is his A bands, his first live title. Uh, I also got to know here, look, one of the better showings I've seen out of your cliques at a hot start out of the gate on Friday. Can we finish a little bit over the next two days? Finish bit is a team, but, but I've, I've seen the cliques. Lower on a leaderboard for a while. So I just kind of, I was good to open up that scoreboard on a Friday morning. Oh, some cliques, five, uh, my, my wild cards, uh, finished. You could buy an 11 over, but could have been a lot worse. If AK hadn't fired, uh, a 65, 565 on Sunday. Uh, I mean, your thoughts on this is our, this is AK's first under par round on livery. Are you ready to update your take yet? Or we see it, we need kind of like Scottie's putting, we need to see a little bit more. Listen up, I'm, I'm never going to be rooting against the guy. You know, uh, I want Anthony Kim to have success. I want him to play well. Do I think would he have shot in 90 at Bay Hill? Uh, I think he would have shot in the mid eighties. Yeah. I'm telling you, if he's shooting those scores that I've seen on the live, he would have shot in the mid eighties at Bay Hill. And this is like a 6700 yard course in Hong Kong. This is the course this weekend and Phil shot 80 on Friday. I'm telling you, he wasn't ready for what I just saw last week. But hey, props to good for him, shooting 500. Um, also, uh, Cam Smith losing in a playoff as the prior week. I mentioned I'm not buying stock and cam Smith. And of course he loses in a playoff. So I, I, of course, in the, in the stockholder, the campsmith stockholder on the show. So really glad to see that one pay early, uh, dividends, uh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll walk it was one back. I mean, it's just, it's going to be hard for us as we get to like the masters when we start to try to figure out who's going to be contending from the live side. We expect to see Ram, uh, Waco Neiman. You expect to maybe see Bryson, uh, contending, you know, and do one of them pull it off. I don't know, but I'm excited to see kind of how they, they play. They played, they had to shoot three of the top like six last year at the masters. So it's going to be a big lead up here in the next, uh, next month or so. Did you see where Legion 13 finished? Do they win? DFL really, tossing, tossing for, for Legion 13. Yeah. We got a, we got a play, probably bad. And then, uh, had Vincent. That was maybe one of my favorite updates for the week. I also love that. Like, I wonder how that was handled within the team room. I first of all, I don't know how many holes that happened for if this was just a one off thing. But, you know, it's one thing to do to your hat and things when it's just your own hat and you're impacting, I guess, by an extension of that, your team, your caddy, but now you actually have a real set of three other guys out there playing, hoping to make some cash. And maybe the wedge putt isn't, isn't looked at as, uh, such a cheeky shenanigans any longer. I heard, by the way, what, what ROM got paid and still it, it makes the decision even dumber to me. I still, it doesn't make any sense. I was reported less. Like the big, the big money that was reported is just like a, a potential in the equity of what the team might become. Uh, yeah, a number of fudge. I mean, I don't get it. Yeah, I mean, it's, who are we to say? I mean, I, I, if he sees value there, I mean, it, it, I'd say it this way. If, if it realizes that value, then it's a, it's a pretty simple. No, it's, it's real money that he's going to pay. I mean, I'm not talking, I mean, he's getting paid more than a hundred million, but it's not to what, to what we thought it was. So, I mean, maybe it could become that, but. And there's no telling to the PGA tours are giving equity to players as well, but we're not sure, like that doesn't just cash at hand, right? We're, this is instant cash. So, and cash is king. So maybe that's what one. I, I just have one bone to pick with live before we get off the topic. Uh, I've been to your website two or three times now, to your shop portal. And I'm really trying to get an AK wildcards hat. Like I'm trying to sell it. AK wildcards hat, like I'm trying to support my cards and you don't sell it yet. So can somebody please sell the AK wildcards hat? So I'd love to, I love to buy. I love support. Uh, that's, that's my item. I'm sure nobody with any power over that is doing about it. Where do they play next? They play in Miami the week before the master's next. Wow. They have the title off. They do. They do. So although I think there is an incredible. For the first three events for them, like that Doral crowd's not going to be great. No, not at all. I don't know how many guys I saw Anthony Kim is playing an Asian tour event this next week. Oh, yes. And, and I'm not sure if there are going to be others who are trying to make a top 50 bid when that cut out, you know, for the masters for that cut off. I mean, do you hear Anthony Kim like drop this week from his like shoulder? Cause he didn't know you dropped from your knee. Like you didn't know about that rule. He really dropped from, dropped a ball from his shoulder. Cause he didn't know. And apparently Dustin Johnson was walking him through on how to use a track man. It's like, which is the funniest thing in the world, right? I love it. I love this. Like Anthony Kim was like, cry genically frozen for 12 years. He's like, thought him out. We're like, Hey, go, go, go, go. I'm like, what's a drone, dude? One of these things flying around my head. That's like every update I keep hearing about Anthony Kim learning about modern golf technology has been an update worth reading. Taylor, Taylor Swift isn't just a country singer anymore. What happened last time? That's, that is good stuff. Uh, well, that, that's when we have her live. And then I just wanted to quickly hit just some updates on, you know, the, the, the opposite field PGA tour event this week because down in Puerto Rico, Bryce Garnett beats Eric Barnes in a playoff, um, worth noting because Ben Cole's the guy that we've had in that corn fairy tour grads group looking at, you know, maybe, uh, picking off a one of the PGA tour. He was leading heading into the final round and he finishes, uh, T six there. So it doesn't not just first one, but a guy who's playing some good golf right now. And then big shout out to Jackson van Paris, who is a Vanderbilt junior from Pinehurst, North Carolina playing this event as an amateur, uh, shoots 64 in the final round to finish T 10. Uh, so pretty cool stuff for him. I'm not sure where Jackson stood in the PGA tour. You accelerated, uh, standings prior to this event, but he just got two points right there. One for making a cut in the PGA tour event and another for finishing top 10. So Jackson shout out to you, uh, Pinehurst, North Carolina, stand up. Love that for him. Uh, so yeah. So that's really that that's, that's what we have for the show. We actually, we're going to do a second episode this week, um, to, to kind of both get you ready for players championship, uh, recap you on our one of them picks a slacks last week. Spoiler alert, smiley still a waste behind me. Uh, thanks courtesy of my Jake Knapp winners pick, uh, but we'll, we'll give you those picks, maybe talk about some DFS picks, um, maybe get to some swing notes as well in that episode. Um, but yeah, that's, that's what I got for the week. Smiling any, any final thoughts for, uh, for the, for the good people listening and watching right now as, uh, you head off to do some, some work here at the players. Yeah. Beautiful day here, TPC sawgrass about to, uh, throw some clothes on, do some laundry today, but I'm going to go to, uh, the Srixon trailer to get a driver built. Um, yeah, so I'm going to go do that real quick. What do we, do we have any, any heads we're looking at? Any shafts we're looking at? Like, well, this is like this kind of thing. It's like that's pouring shaft. Oh, the tour. Um, yeah. The one that Hideki has, I think. Tour design or tour. It's like a low torquing shaft. Um, we're going to put a hot melt in the heel to try to make sure I can, like, I want that ball to go left. Like I want, like if it's going left, it's like, okay, I can fix that. But I, I want to eliminate the right side of the golf course. I'm tired of hitting the heel, tired of hitting it right and hit making good swings and it just sliding way right. So we're, uh, hopefully you can get something built up that, that matches what I'm trying to do. And hopefully see footage of that on a Friday happy hour coming soon. Uh, you're watching an upcoming tournament, but, uh, yeah, that's what we got for today's episode. We appreciate you watching and listening and we will talk to you back here, uh, very soon. [BLANK_AUDIO]