The Joe Rogan Experience - #2560 - David Grusch

David Grusch is a former United States Air Force intelligence officer, former representative of the National Reconnaissance Office to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, and former co-lead for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena analysis at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Duration: 2h 39m
Broadcast on: 30 Sep 2026
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[MUSIC] >> The Joe Rogan, experience. >> Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. [MUSIC] >> All right, bro, David, what's up? >> Thanks for having me back on. >> My pleasure, yeah. >> Well, you're the one who's closest to the flames. So tell me what's going on. >> I know, right, so living the nightmare is what I tell my friends. So it's definitely been a tough several years or so. And last time we were on, just testified in front of Congress. And the UAP disclosure act of 23 was possibly getting passed. It failed to get passed. And then I based on things I know about the Biden administration, things I heard from the White House, I decided to kind of lay low for a year. So 24, I didn't do too much. And then Representative Burleson had this crazy idea to hire me. As a professional staff member for Congress, working for him. Turns out, I guess I was like the first guy that ever testified in front of Congress as a whistleblower and then being subsequently hired by Congress. I was the first guy to ever do that, which is very interesting and very cool. And I do thank Burleson for his leadership on that. And so I did that for about a year and a half. Just finished up actually. I was like, you know what, I'm staying longer than I thought. I'm gonna wait until Labor Day, see where things are. Worked pretty hard over summer recess in August and decided to wind down some of my activities because I accomplished a lot of my objectives. And we can get into that obviously. And then kind of move into, I'll call it my next phase of operations, which includes a little break for me. It's been very tiring. I've been kind of going full throttle for the last couple of years and whatnots. And so we're really at a, I think, a poignant moment in US history with what Trump's done and the things you've seen in the media and whatnot. And there's a lot of other stuff happening behind the scenes because, you know, a lot of my work has been private behind the scenes, you know, working for Congress, specifically Representative Burleson. So let me ask you the environment. Yeah. So are there some people in Congress that are interested in disclosure of this stuff and pursue you and want to find out information and want you to tell them what's going on. And are there other people that are resisting this? Yeah, I think there's a big bifurcation of the non-believers and then kind of the UAP caucus. Although you see more and more people kind of signing on to the cause. Like I did a presser back in June in front of the Capitol with members. And we even had Brigadier General retired representative Scott Perry there who was on the House Intelligence Committee for my home state of PA. And it was good to see other members, you know, start showing that they support the cause. But it has been challenging behind the scenes.

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