On this episode host Matt Xian is joined by founder of Temple Copal, Zane Ra. Temple Copal is a company that brings high quality copal, a sacred resin made from tree sap, to the people of the world. Zane goes into how he discovered copal, what its effects are and how to use it daily. The two also discuss cacao ceremonies, ayahuasca, and psilocybin mushrooms. Additionally, the pair riff on the difficulty of translating the psychedelic experience with words alone.