She’s Been to Gaza. She Met With the Iranians. Now She Has a Warning.
This episode appears to contain dynamically inserted ads. Transcript timestamps may be approximate.
As the head of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Mirjana Spoljaric goes to both sides of conflicts. She’s worried that our warring world is spiraling out of control.
- Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]
- Watch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcast
- For transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
This message is brought to you by Apple Card. The fall season always brings its fair share of surprises, like the first snow, or a late night trip to the store for your kid's school project. No matter what the season brings, Apple Card's got you covered. You can earn 2% daily cash back when you use Apple Card with Apple Pay. Apply for Apple Card now and use in minutes with Apple Pay. Subject to credit approval. Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA's help Lake City branch, terms and more at applecard.com. I refuse to believe that the core human essence is bad. Our motivation is not to live in Apple never. How could it be? I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro and today I'm interviewing Mediana Shpoyarich, the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross. The ICRC works all around the globe and often in secret, remaining neutral to operate in the world's most dangerous environments. But with wars, getting more complex due to new technology and world leaders increasingly ignoring the rules of war, Shpoyarich felt compelled to sit down with me to issue a warning about where we all could be headed. We have to understand the significance and importance of the roles of war and why they need to be respected. But first, a quick message. If you're not a subscriber, we have some news for you. You can now explore the times for free without paywalls during your first month in the New York Times app. Just download the app and we hope you enjoy it. Okay, on to the interview. Thank you so much for coming in today. I really appreciate it. This I know has been very hectic. We are meeting just at the end of the UN General Assembly. I want to start. If you could just briefly tell me, what is the ICRC and what does it do? We are a global organization. Found it 163 years ago in Geneva. Today, working in roughly 90 different places across the world, mainly in conflict, because this is what we were created for. To bring help and protection in situations of armed conflict. But then also promote respect for the rules of war. Because with the creation of the ICRC came the founding of the Geneva Convention. And then that led to the four Geneva Conventions adopted after the Second World War in 1949. And still today, this agreement has been ratified by all states, because all states agreed that there are red lines in war. There are simply certain things that should never be allowed to happen. I covered wars for a big part of my career as a journalist. And the world feels more dangerous and more volatile than I can ever remember. How do you see things? I see it the same way, because the statistics prove it. We now count twice as many conflicts as 15 years ago.
Transcription truncated.
As the head of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Mirjana Spoljaric goes to both sides of conflicts. She’s worried that our warring world is spiraling out of control.