Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme check in for a rare late-night live show following the conclusion of the Black Desert Championship! Smylie is fresh off a Baton Rouge trip with his family to watch his alma mater, LSU, win an overtime thriller against Ole Miss, and Charlie is back at home (and out of the dreaded hospital chair) after the arrival of his daughter. SK and CH catch up on the latest headline stories in the golf world, talk some football, and preview some exciting content on deck the next few weeks.
- Recap the weekend in golf with insights from the Black Desert Championship.
- Smylie discusses his recent trip to Baton Rouge and the LSU game.
- Charlie shares his experience adjusting to life after the arrival of his daughter.
- Close the show with a preview of upcoming golf content and stories.
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CHAPTERS:
01:23 - LSU vs Ole Miss Recap
09:29 - UNC vs Georgia Tech Recap
12:02 - Matt McCarty Wins Black Desert Championship
15:34 - PGA Tour Fall Series Handling
19:59 - KFT Graduates and PGA Tour Starts
27:10 - Mailbag
28:30 - Criticisms of Short Field Events
31:10 - Charlie’s Whiteboard Fixes
33:07 - Future Venue Selection in Golf
36:05 - Resort Courses on PGA Tour
39:35 - New TV Changes in Golf
41:12 - Fridays with Smylie
44:15 - Rolling Leaderboards in Golf
51:17 - Rory McIlroy on Media
53:26 - Role of Media in Golf
1:05:55 - News & Notes
1:10:10 - Sleep Deprivation
We've all made RVing mistakes like not pest proofing the RV for winter but there's one mistake you shouldn't make. Not ensuring your travel trailer. Progressive RV insurance can protect your travel trailer when your auto or home insurance can. Get a quote at progressive.com, progressive cash routine insurance company and affiliates. Are you still quoting 30 year old movies? Have you said cool beans in the past 90 days? Do you think discover isn't widely accepted? If this sounds like you, you're stuck in the past. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. And every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back. Welcome to The Now. It pays to discover. Learn more at discover.com/creditcard based on the February 2024 Nelson report. I'm Smiley Coffin and this is The Smiley Show. All right, Smiley, is this thing on? Can you hear me? I got you buddy. You got me? How about that? I think this thing's working. Yeah. We rolling, baby. Are we rolling? Let's see. I'm trying to put this intro away here. This is great. We're back doing the thing that we did before, which is let's see here. Can we go fullscreen? Oh, here we go. I'm playing the hits now. I'm playing the hits now. Did I do this right? I got you buddy. Good lord. Here we go. Let's go and get a two box. I just want to get a two box. We're in the two box. We're in the two box. Apologies for the false starts. For those of you that have been tracking along with our attempts to live here, we listen, I'm not going to like name names streaming services out there, but it rhymes with the Silverride and the live application. Not great. Not great. I'm not happy about it. But we're here. I'm Charlie Hume. He's Smiley Kaufman. Recapping the Black Desert Championship, talking about a little college football weekend of yours and Baton Rouge. For those of you that are listening on the podcast and/or watching on the YouTube now, I know many of you want to get right to the golf talk, we will get to that in a few minutes here. But as we kind of let people filter in, start watching the stream here, we're going to kind of warm it up a little bit. Smiley, you did an excellent six minutes on your trip to Baton Rouge and all sorts of fun stories that will be forever lost the time thanks to the aforementioned streaming application. But would you care to do a version of that again? Oh yeah, absolutely. Just give people speed please. Thank you so much. I've already told you this story now, I get to tell everybody, so this is even better. So yeah, once Baton Rouge this weekend, LSU Ole Miss, and by the way, if you had to go to a wedding this weekend or had some occasion that took you away from a TV or any type of college football on October 12th, I'm sorry, because yesterday was one heck of a college football day. The games were incredible, especially the evening ones, getting started the day with Alabama, South Carolina, that game was nuts. But my weekend was fun going to Baton Rouge, trying to do it once a year, and this was a great weekend celebrating 100 years of Tiger Stadium, and it was an epic one. LSU Tigers get it done, but yeah, so Thursday we go down, stay with some friends, the land was. Regie and Leslie, thanks to you for hosting us and it was a great weekend, Friday, you know, Francine and Acarda kind of took them around town to our favorite spots, ate some pancakes at Louise, took her on campus and kind of was a part of everybody walking to and from class. You know, I'm telling Francie about, oh, you know, this is where I went to class here, and she's like, I don't care. I'm like, well, I'm still going to tell you, you're just going to have to listen to type of situation. And that's kind of how all Friday went, and what's an incredible restaurant now in Baton Rouge called the Supper Club, Brandon Landry, over at walk-ons, they run that place, and it's just an incredible experience as far as the dining went and Saturday, the games, I mean, the tailgating was great, the weather was fantastic. Like I said, 100 years of Tiger Stadium, and that atmosphere was just absolutely electric. If you could tell by my voice and you've listened to the show a bunch, I'm operating at like a, you know, battery percentage overall feels that about, you know, the low warning light is definitely on. We're probably at about 16 percent capacity of where we're at, the voice is definitely below 50, not great, because I was screaming my absolute face off at the game, mainly at the refs for no reason, whether it was warranted or not, just was trying to make an impact on the game, and if Wayne Kiffin can hear me, I definitely tried. But they had a light show, I don't know if North Carolina is at Charlie, and they had like the synced up wristbands, like you're at a T-swift concert, but the only bad thing was, and this was classic LSU fans being idiots, was, you know, I could say that because I am one, is they were throwing these things, and they were throwing at them like on the field, because I mean, these things are taking off, like they're shooting stars from the top of the stands, I mean, these guys are throwing at 100 yards basically in the air, and they're like firm too, so guys were like getting hit by these things, so eventually over the loudspeaker, they're like, if you keep throwing this, these wristbands, first off you'll get arrested, but also it's going to be an unsportsman like penalty on the team, so now everybody started throwing, everybody started doing, so that was a whole thing, but the game in itself was insane, I thought going into the game, I was worried about our defense and I thought our offense was going to be fine, completely opposite, we were terribly offense, terrible offensively and defense kept the crowd in it, kept my voice in it, and at the end of the game when we won on that overtime play, there was an option of, you know, you would think about like should I storm the field for me at time, that there was no option, I immediately didn't even ask my wife, it's like, hey, hang right here, I'm gonna go run down to the field, I was halfway down the stairs before really that ball was even caught, I mean, I'm already, just love that, towards the field, because I saw everybody else jumping on and, you know, that's the big debate, is it done to storm the field against the team that you've historically beaten, especially over the last couple of decades, and my answer is, you had to be there, it was 100 years of Tiger Stadium, the place was absolutely electric, one of the best atmospheres ever been born on there, and you know, we've, you know, since 19, we've been a pretty mediocre football team, so it was fun to, you know, we'll have a top 10 win, trying to build LSU back a bit, so, I don't like field storming rules, it's just, it's just to your point, it's kind of a vibe, it's like, what are the hardos that just say that, you know, you shouldn't do it, it's like, I think you've got to be there type of thing, it fell right, it was the right move, it feels right, you just storm the field, you just do it, and I didn't realize, it's the 100 year anniversary of Tiger Stadium, that's a big one, it's amazing, it's beautiful, it's amazing, and I don't think 100 years ago, Tiger Stadium probably had, in its potential of what sounds would be playing over the intercom, and I don't think they had the light show, being synced up to set it off, boozy in the first quarter, but when that, when they turn those lights off and set it off, got played, I mean, you can go find the videos, it was, the place just turned into a club, like just, it was like that, everybody was breaking it down, I was kind of like two seats in from the aisle, so Francis right next to me on the aisle, which was, you know, right down the stairs, and so I, I had to switch with Fran during the middle of this game, because I needed more room, not only just like spread out, but two dance, two yell, two scream, and to break it down, especially like when swag surfing got played in the fourth quarter, lost, I got my whole, you know, I got the whole thing, you know, I'm moving back and forth, so yes, I did lean all the way in, I felt like a college student for, for a moment, and yeah, that's why college sports are the best, it was, it was great to be there for a game like that, I could imagine not being there, and yeah, that'll be a memory for a long time. That's fantastic, I mean, you got to kind of, we have less and less of that in our tank these days, you know, so you get like one weekend where you just get to lean all the way in, sounds like you got a great childcare at home for Anna Carter, so you got to do the whole nine yards, while also taking her to see the campus earlier in the day, checking multiple boxes, so that's fantastic, yeah, I love it for you, I have heard the audience loud and clear, I'm going to limit Carolina football talk other than, I just have two things, the first is, nothing summed up our season better than our tight end dropping right in the bread basket, the potential game winning pass, and then kicking the time field goal with like less than two minutes, men in half on the scoreboard, and then Georgia Tech getting the ball back and in a situation where they're trying to run the clock out to get to overtime, allowing like a 70 yard run to their running back to win the game, and I promise you yards 40, 40 yard line in, I was just sitting on my couch laughing maniacally, while looking at my two year old son and newborn daughter, my wife's like, what is wrong with you, you're scaring the kids, I'm like, this is, this is it, man, this is Carolina football, so, you know, I didn't know they were still putting those games on cable TV, I thought they were like, the CW, the CW, here we are mocking live well, is it really on the CW? It was on the CW, that is where you could watch the noon kickoff, North Carolina tar heels, and Georgia Tech yellow jackets this week, I had no idea that they had football games, and the production quality was, it was no knock on CW, but it was just like, yes, this is where we, this is where we deserve to be as North Carolina football, noon on the CW, giving up a 70 yard run, with less than a minute later to lose football games, this was kind of a bit, you know, just giving you, giving you crap on North Carolina football, but boy, that, that, that, all that you just said was chef's kiss, that is exactly what I was hoping you'd say. And so, and then I have to just stop there, right, and then the second piece is much more somber note, is just thoughts and prayers going out to the family of Tylie craft, wide receiver, who is diagnosed with stage four and lung cancer, and they honored him with the game this week, Carolina football, he's been on, he was on the roster a number of years ago, passed away on Saturday, and so that was the flip side of that whole game, it's like you're, you're tied up with the emotions of college football, and then you're like, wait, there's something bigger than this, there's, there's life going on, we saw his mother give Mac Brown a big hug, so just thinking of his family, you know, anyone touched by cancer, it's, it's, it's, it's obviously a terrible, terrible, terrible thing, and so for his family to have to go through that, and that to be part of everything that's going on on Saturday, a lot of emotions going on for, for the Tariels, so, you know, it is what it is, but just, you know, he's, he's, he's resting easy now, so Tylie craft and your family just thinking of thinking of y'all praying for y'all. So that's the duality of Carolina football this weekend. So with that said, smiley, shall we talk some golf here, because we have a new winner on the PGA tour. Matt McCarty, and this is a guy where, you know, we want to take this in a number of different directions, but we've talked a lot, this last season, just about, you know, these, the crop of guys coming off the corn fair, who are guys that are ready to make an impact right away. Matt McCarty, he earned his tour card this season via the battlefield promotion, three wins on the P on the corn fairy tour, only the 13th guy to do that. And this was, it was actually, if you look at his, his season on the corn fairy tour this last year, if you cut it off, like the first part of the year at June 2nd, after a miss cut of the UNC health championship, believe I have this correct, he missed four cuts in 12 starts. He had two top fires, but really nothing other than that better than a tie for 26th. And then just flipped a switch, kind of June on, he wins the prize cutter tiered championship in late July. He wins a pinnacle bank championship in mid August. And then Albertson's boys, you open at the end of August, wins that to, to stamp it, earn his tour card. This is a guy that they were showing stats here on golf channel after the win this week, the black desert championship. One, one in his third start on the PGA Tour. It's one of the fastest to ever do that. They also shoot a show to grab it. Garrett Kiggo did that a couple of years back in Congress, second PGA Tour star. So smiley, just reflections on a guy that looks like he stripes it pretty good. He did it well this week. He's 26 years old out of Santa Clara, grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona. So this sort of desert mountainous golf kind of suits him well. Would you see out a mat that makes you, you know, think of what kind of impact he could have on the PGA Tour this season? Well, I think it just kind of shows where the depth is in the pro game. We talk so much about the top and fixing the highest level of the game. And when you see a player that, you know, is a relatively unknown player coming into the corn fairy tour season, playing his golf at Santa Clara, this isn't a player that, you know, was playing at Georgia or playing at, you know, a top school. Santa Clara is a school. I can't even name you another player that's played at Santa Clara. I'm sure there's probably been plenty of great players, but, you know, what, what comes to mind is, is very light. So, you know, for, for a player like himself to, to get as hot as he did, you know, in the middle of this corn fairy tour season, the, the stat that I saw that interests me was after, you know, right around June night, he was 10 under par more at 13 straight events. So this guy was just making a ton of birdies every single week. So he's been playing incredible this entire summer. And, you know, winning's not easy, right? He's won three times on that tour, which is an incredibly competitive tour. He said the 13th time for, for a guy to do that. It's impressive. And I, I think what might take away from just watching Matt get the victory is that it's a storyline that I'm interested in. I'm interested so much in these corn fairy tour players to learn more about them sooner. I feel like this corn fairy tour season when it finished, I'm ready to see this next crop on the PGA tour. And if it weren't for Matt's battlefield promotion, we wouldn't be seeing him unless he was getting his sponsors invites. So this is a conversation I want to get into in a, in a, in a second. But let's just look at the PGA tour in this and, and how he fits in this ecosystem now, right? So he's, he's now in the winners category. He's, he's not, he's got no worries about his schedule now. He's got no worries of a reshuffle that he may have had to deal with next year. So he's in a great spot now that he's won, which is obvious. He's now got a master's exemption. But what does he not have? He does not have access into the signature events. Is that correct? Like he's not even in Pebble Beach. He's not in RIV. So that's the confusing thing to me about all of this, right? Is that we're having, you know, the biggest, arguably one of the biggest tournaments that the professional game offers, being the master's, awarding an exemption for a player winning this event in the fall. But also the PGA tour isn't rewarding players winning to getting in their own big event. So that's where the disconnect is for me and all this. It's like, Hey, I want to see Matt McCarty on the elite PGA tour events. And I want to see these new faces playing this fall. But we're just in a tug of war right now of trying to figure out where everybody fits. It's a game of Tetris. And right now, I just think this Tetris game is a bit confusing. It's it's every time we have some form of this conversation. We're we're running through all the various categories and trying to understand how it applies to this fall stretch of the season. That isn't really the full 2024 season, but it's a segment of it, but it doesn't count toward 2025. And of course, with this win, he gets into the century, but to your point, because he's not a card-carrying tour member from the 2024 PGA tour season, along with that collection of players, he's not accruing points. We don't believe towards that next 10 category that would get him in the signature events and that first sort of swing, because he does have his tour card and because he'll play in the century, he will be he will be starting to earn next 10 points once he plays in the century, but he won't be accruing swing five points unless he's in the field of the Sony. And it was interesting. We were even looking at the field list for the Shriners this next week. He was an alternate for the Shriners this next week prior to winning this tournament. I assumed that by virtue of the swing, he will get in automatically the Shriners, but it's just the whole thing is I think to drill down on a little bit in the conversations we've been having off camera, it's looking at maybe the back half of some of these fall events. Like I completely understand 51 through 125 or whatever. Those guys that have solidly been in that top 125 PGA tour card status that those guys are vying for that next 10 category and trying to lock down their card for the 2025 season like let those guys go out and play. When we get past that, I think you and I both would love to see a little more churn in that category. And let's give these corn fairy tour guys more opportunities because they've earned it by playing on this this feeder tour and going through the grind that corn fairy tour can represent having to shoot a zillion under a part each week to make it. And if that means that you lose some some guys that had a tour card the year before that are 126 and beyond. So be it. Tell those guys to go play corn fairy tour in 2025 and earn it back the hard way the way these guys that are coming in. That's just I'd like to see a little more churn there. I'm not sure. I know you and I feel similarly on that. But do you have additional thoughts as to like how we should be doing that as it relates to the fall? Yes. There's things I do like about the fall. I do kind of I think there's really intriguing kind of monitoring you know who's going to be the top 125 you know at the RSM championship which is the last one of the fall series. So it is cool to see an ending to the 125. So if we're seeing an ending at the tour championship of who's going to win the FedEx Cup which we've already debated you know a couple episodes back which is when should the regular season end should it be before the tour championship which is separate from this conversation that finishing the season at RSM it's about the top 125 in that next 10 category. So there are storylines that I think you and I both have agreed it's interesting to follow but the churn that you're talking about this is where I always wanted to do some digging because I wanted to see okay if we add 30 corn fairy tour rookies which is a huge number 30 is a big big number to add to the FedEx Cup fall is that dipping too much into the churn of what we may say that you know what you probably didn't play well enough this season to deem yourself worthy of you know those additional starts to try to make that top 125 but the argument is this is what the whole fall is about is for those players to have that second opportunity to still try to make it in the top 125 and keep their card so looking at it if you added 30 guys to the deal it would go if at the Shriners open the last guy and that would be two 11 in the FedEx Cup which it's it's not a quite a perfect math system you can't just go minus 30 because certain guys are not playing it actually goes down to 150 so 150 on the FedEx Cup which I feel that that's just a clear that that to for people to understand that's 30 up for the last player in the field is 211 then that's 30 up from there so that's equivalently where you be entering these corn fairy tour guys where this is kind of where I've settled in on this argument which I think that if you had going into the corn fairy tour season these players knowing what they're playing for right like so the first spot you have all these exemptions that give the player championship now the US Open but let's say that going into the year they had one extra thing to play for which is if you get into the top 10 of the corn fairy tour list that will exempt you into the FedEx Cup fall now you will not be able to accumulate any points but it'll give you an opportunity to be playing for more money and status so what did we just see this week Matt McCarty wins the golf tournament get status made a whole bunch of money now we all know who he is so it's a win win win so we're starting to introduce some of the top players that came off of the corn fairy tour and the one way in which now hey how do we get you know these players into the signature events because they're not eligible to compete in the next 10 because they're not accumulating FedEx Cup points like these players in all season make it a straight battle for these 10 guys and one spot gets in to maybe the first two signature events so you got a totally different storyline now to follow you got 10 new guys playing the entire fall and then they're also battling for what would be signature events being whether it's after the century and it be Riviera and Pebble I think that would be really cool you get to get the top 10 players you're introducing their storylines I think 30s a lot I mean 150 you know that's that used to be the additional the conditional status 126 150 so that that was also a number that meant something to a PGA tour member like myself so 150 and beyond that was always the spot that you kind of knew it's like you know I didn't play well enough and you kind of subject to definitely other guys getting getting more opportunities yeah I would I mean there are a number of ways you go about this like I this might sound extreme but I'd go so far as to say I would put the 30 corn fairy tour graduates in a category above 126 and beyond for fall tour events like I would say and I and I know that by default what I'm saying that is you pretty much guaranteed 125 and up their their status going to the next year you've taken a little bit of the drama out of it there but to me it's like I just feel like the fall is a separate season a separate product at this point anyway and we heard last fall Jimmy Walker's complaints along the lines of wait a second I thought I just did what I needed to do I was in inside the top 125 and what was the sort of regular season now you're telling me because I finished beyond 50 I finished 51 beyond I had to go out and play all these fall events to ensure I said veteran that's a veteran being mad right he's right he's used to the old guard of that 125 but I think that's one way you could clear it up in a way is say okay like now these guys 126 and beyond may still be able to get entry into a lot of these tournaments because the way the fields are getting filled out and they may still catch 125 and up on that list and bump those guys and get in the back and get their status that way but you would at least be making that old guard happy by saying we're gonna put 30 guys in front of those guys because they've earned their they've earned their promotion even though it even though it's for 2025 they've earned their way out of this tour and we're going to give them playing opportunities so people in the fall can tune in see something different seeing new mix of names familiarize themselves and then yeah like it probably only impacts you know 121 through 125 or something like that and and you may only get a few guys who make their way to events who can kind of play yeah whatever but I don't I guess what I guess what boils down to is I don't need the fall to be I find no real intrigue is like oh I wonder if 128's gonna get into 125 and get his you know it's tourist status next year like I'd rather see young guys and fresh faces yes me too so badly nail in that nail in 125 and up like especially much have it especially if you get some real stars on this corn fairy tour like I don't I don't want to see or I'm talking about some superstars I'm talking like Ludwig Oberg guys that I I want to see immediately play on the PGA tour so that's that's where my head is and all this like I want to see these players playing and if it's 10 guys fine and how do you appease that that crowd that could be for instance you know 160 to 200 on the FedEx cup it's maybe finding a way in in which these players will have instead of being on an alternate list maybe they have their own separate Monday qualifier in which they play for you know three or four spots to where hey it's like you are giving it another opportunity but you did have a full season of opportunities to be higher that higher than that in the FedEx cup I kind of feel like these players have a season and a half right now it feels like to me and it just seems like this thing isn't just quite figured out but yeah well and I think to your point I'd like this young superstars like there are some guys that could fit that mold I'm really excited we're going to hopefully have James Denny's back on do sort of like that season preview again like you did last year of talking about corn fairy tour guys there's a guy Aldrich Aldrich Potgater I believe South African 20 years old yes ton of game and want to see that kids like that like I want to see him play I'm excited to see him you know get some stars and figure out what he's made of and and could he make a big impact on the tour rather than oh you know 175 get another start to see if he can't like work his way up the list so anyway that's that's you know unless you have other thoughts there we have some kind of bigger headlines we want to get to but I do because it's a live show one hit a few kind of comments we have here so just ripping through here quickly we have first of all the scratch golf show on YouTube asking you how the baby girl is doing thank you so much for asking she's doing great we're sleep we're sleeping pretty good over here it's actually the toddler that's running me ragged but everything's good here wife's happy babies are happy kids are happy we're very blessed Jacob on X ask smiley have you thought about trying to get your am status back would you try to complete for the us and midam etc etc and and if I could just answer that one for you it's a solid yes you can play in the hope valley member guest no i'm not i'm not going to give my am status back i'm not i'm just not quite interested in it you know i've i've always kind of looked at guys that that have won on the tour and and when they you know go and get their am status back it just just seems wrong i feel like i've i've you know i'm a professional in my mind for wife and i'll never not be that so whether i'll still want to try to play again which is doubtful or you know play in just some events that you know just continue to get that competitive tick to where i can go and compete that would be uh probably where i'm heading right now and then lastly before we transition to some of our other topics we have like some fair criticisms for mitch hec here on youtube of just talking about some of these events where i think you and i talked about this last year is mitch is not a fan of the these sort of short field uh you know signature events we're calling them i think you said at one point you'd like to see him closer to a hundred players um and you know mitch makes a couple points about like you know bryson's youtube getting you know the amount of views he's getting in relative to kind of some of the televised events we're seeing and i think that's a fair one to discuss too like we're seeing the shape of golf viewership change um you know any thoughts is the kind of connects to what we've just been talking about with uh you know the way we're bringing corporate to our players i know we've talked a lot about support for this podcast comes from progressive a leader in rv insurance we've all made rv mistakes like not pestproofing the rv for winter but there's one mistake you shouldn't make not ensuring your travel trailer progressive rv insurance can protect your travel trailer when your auto or home insurance can get a quote at progressive.com progressive cash routine insurance company and affiliates are you still quoting 30 year old movies have you said cool beans in the past 90 days do you think discover isn't widely accepted if this sounds like you you're stuck in the past discover is accepted at ninety nine percent of places that take credit cards nationwide and every time you make a purchase with your card you automatically earn cash back welcome to the now it pays to discover learn more at discover dot com slash credit card based on the february 2024 nelson report the system like are there any immediate changes you feel like we could see this year to some of those signature events to make them better in any way shape or form well i think the idea of this signature events is is to get the best players playing and we want to have a leaderboard that when you turn on the tv you're like oh yeah i recognize all these names and i think that's the idea of it um i think there's mixed reviews on that when you especially when you look at their the premium events that that Mitch called on which would be you know 70 guys is what we've seen this past year and you look at what is considered to be the flagship pga tour event the players championship ain't 70 dudes it's actually double that they got 144 guys plans so that's that to me is where the big disconnect is in this and that you're not getting quite as many as the the good storylines um it's kind of a rich gets richer type of deal but from a network standpoint at a tv standpoint it does make more sense to have the top guys playing as each other more but you know it's it's still being figured out i think a hundred probably hundred guys is probably a little closer to what we're looking for and all this uh but yeah uh there's there's a lot to figure out uh i think in this fall we've i think i think you and i we've we've kind of had like this rolling whiteboard of like fixing poke off it's a great way to put it we kind of cycle through in the seasons of of where are we kind of standing all this but i think we're kind of dug our feet in the ground enough in the dirt here i feel like we're we have a pretty good idea of how to fix fix the pga tour if we're sitting um you know next to whoever j mana hanny says smiley jolly fix pga tour how we doing it i think we would be able to give a somewhat decent answer we say we say j uh check out our youtube uh at the smiley show uh we we will send you a link to the to the we've we already fixed it it's right here we've got the whiteboard right here in visual format uh hey what one quick thing Charlie just uh i i would say that we don't need to go past this event that just happened because it is a new golf course and i definitely want to talk a little bit about this because you know what it reminded me of okay it reminded me of playing what's the day what it's my my brain by the way guys is it my my cell count just isn't quite there it's it's not quite firing on all cylinders like in one way as here it is it just came to me golden tea that golf course is golden tea it felt like i was watching professional golfers playing golden tea you know picking the the different formats it's like okay i'll play on the island golf course i'll play yes on a volcano on mars that's what we watched this week on the tv it was you know you never hear wava rock mentioned on any type of broadcast unless it's talking about you know some documentary on on uh you know just the discovery of volcanoes and that's yeah that's to me was it was an engine a very cool week to watch tv i thought it it was um different than what we were accustomed to seeing so uh just your overall thoughts are when you turn the tv on yeah no i i think it's funny so your references golden tea mind the place i always go is my favorite golf video game maybe my favorite video game of all time tiger wood so four um and this is not the course i compare it to but what you're describing it kind of makes sense is like they had that course that was effectively in the amazon jungle i think it was called the predator where it was just it it was just ridiculous it was it was just it was so i don't remember it and weird that it was and so this to me was yeah the setting itself was um i and you know just a really cool looking desert golf course where i think maybe streelman said it where it's very forgiving in terms of landing areas and and fairways and things like that but the moment you're in the black lava rock like you're pretty hosed you're not you're not going to be able to do a lot out of there um there was an interesting piece i don't know if you saw this on friday golf uh it was in their newsletter talking about the future of venue selection and just that like we might be going more and more in this type of a direction in the future um where essentially we end up in a place where private courses for a variety of different reasons um aren't able to be used because you end up in a situation similar to we so the place we ended up with with the del match play a couple years ago where there's this sort of haggling process going on between the tour and austin country club and that membership doesn't want to give up their club for a month plus and so where you arrive as a place where all these tour events are either held at tpc network courses or resorts that are effectively trying to use the tournament itself as an advertisement you know and so it could be uh i mean the the high end of that could be banding dunes or you know cabot citrus farms or sand barely or whatever else i wouldn't necessarily like i wouldn't hate that reality it would make me sad to go away from some historic private you know venues and and you know i don't know where you there's still room to find for that but that wasn't it was it's worth reading it was on friday golf like it's an interesting sort of theory that's posed there yeah i definitely think that the pj tour plays one too many tbc golf courses and should play a variety of more tracks just to give a viewer a different perspective of different golf courses but you know i it's it's interesting right because you know these golf courses that are more resorty typically aren't as hard so you're going to see a lot lower scores this weekend right yeah yeah you definitely did so that's like the first thing that kind of comes in my mind when you talk about more resort type of golf courses but the other side of me too which is you know when i turned it on i'm like man i i wouldn't mind taking a couple buddies and then going on a little golf trip at this place and there's another place too that comes to mind that i'm that i've i've never stopped thinking about this golf course i'm like man i want to go here and this was uh the year i think it was erin rogers and it was uh the match i can't remember who was in it but i think it was up in montana yeah i'm right uh huh that's right the name of the golf course but i i haven't stopped thinking about it big sky no i don't know me that's kind of like that like ex-girlfriend in sixth grade you're like maybe there was something there you know and i i think that that's kind of what i think about when i see these resort golf courses is it the best way to test pga tour golfers maybe not but the wives are going to be happy when they when they get to that resort and they have a great week and uh there was a lot of players really try that i talked to this fall that you know when i asked about their schedules and they're trying to figure out they're going to play it all and i talked to multiple guys it said you know what we're going to actually go out to utah we're going to treat it as a vacation um and take the family out there so if you give me one two three or more of those um and the golf course can live up to testing the best players in some way shape or form hey i don't mind watching cool places like that i and and mitch again is commenting saying something along in those similar lines like if if we're trying to figure out what fall pga tour schedule like what the identity is there like i don't hate an influx of new faces via the 30 corporate tour graduates and resort golf and and i would love it if it wasn't some of more of these high profile places now uh band is not having any trouble booking up their schedule years in advance nor is cabot nor is sand valley nor is any you know nor are any of these other resort places stream song you name it um but it would be really cool to go to some of those places even if they are too short even if they are too easy the golf is like it or not lower leverage in the fall and if you can do some things to protect the course a little bit for tour pros via uh you know firmness green speeds things like that but you still let us see a place where you're like oh man i have a i either have a buddy's trip book there in six months and boy am i fired up to get down there or i want to kind of get down there it works as an advertisement like like what you're saying this week you're looking at that you're like man i wouldn't i wouldn't hate getting out there to watch that yeah i do the big plumb in here saying culvers classic well shout out big plumb and just think about like what's what's so cool about the pga tours it's is that you know jolly we can't go on a football field and simulate what it's like to play college football for golf you have an opportunity to go play the same golf course maybe not the same condition uh that the pga tour ventil have or maybe not quite the same whole locations or the green speeds but you you can test yourself against what the pga tour players would face and i think when we kind of talked about youtube golf a little bit earlier i think that's why you've seen a growth in viewership in that that department is it's seeing what uh whether you call it an average show or you call it a you know a very qualified player that just play professional golf go and try to play these golf courses it it there's the element of of just knowing it's like oh okay you know these guys are kind of comparing them to the pga tour players it's kind of fun to play that game a little bit to see what they shoot how you know how good these guys really are on the pga tour and you know also i think just the we're kind of kind of getting this in a minute it's just the the accessibility and and understanding kind of what these guys personalities may be like on a golf course which is why youtube golf is so successful is is you get to know these these guys their personalities you get to you know go to these fun golf courses without having to travel and play them you can just watch some guys play them and see how hard it really is but also you get to have fun while watching and that's where the tour and the networks are trying to get to with protecting what you know regular viewership like myself likes to see which is the true spirit of competition and watching these guys in their element you know training their whole lives forward to try to chase down what their dreams are yeah that's that's a nice little segue to to like that the televised product of this tour and appreciating all the comments this is why we love doing these live shows people chiming in kind of taking us down some interesting rabbit holes and and taking the conversations in ways we didn't really expect to but one of the the sort of the headlines in this past week that is very applicable to what you do on a weekly basis smiley is some of the new tv changes that the pga tour is experimenting with we saw one of them this week that really isn't necessarily new in in fact it what it really looks like to me is a borrowing of the concept that's worked for many years on the DP world tour it's you know the walk-in talks that we've seen for a couple years now on the pga tour except instead of having a set of air pods in and that player talking to broadcasters commentators their inner booth and and you're not seeing them there is a on course correspondent holding a mic and going back and forth with that player and that is what you've seen on the DP world tour for a number of years now so that's something we saw this week at the black desert championship and then kind of two other pieces of the um just I don't know if you want to call it a modernization of the broadcast or just experimenting with new things but one was more of a focus on that cut line on on you know really that friday coverage window of just less of a focus on the leaders and more of a who's sweating that cut line and what's that number going to be and can we use more modern analytics and things like that to give you an accurate guess as to where that cut line is going to end up um and then also a a more of a narrow focus in the broadcast on a specific whole or a specific you know uh you know at the serenson farms it's like a drivel par four just just instead of going wide on the entire golf course seeing a bunch of guys come through and play one section of the golf course so smiley this applies to you because you know you've been doing the fridays with smiley at one whole location this entire last season and you know a lot of that's been cut line focused so just what are your reflections on um the ways in which the broadcast hopefully changes and what you're excited about to kind of see nbc sports and golf channel do from your employer's perspective yeah this is all coming from the the networks obviously listening to their audience but also communicating with the pj tour and their subcommittees that they have set up so there there are players that that meet with the networks and also just try to formulate a plan of of of how to make it more engaging see more golfers and just make it a different experience from day to day so the traditional lane which we've covered golf which is thursday friday typical featured groups you go around the entire golf course with those you know two or three groups outside of some big shots that you kind of find around the golf course that that kind of gets sold and they're like okay what's going over to your seven most of the time you kind of know i sit on the couch that something's about to happen um the way that it's going to be this fall and the way they're they're trying to test it out is that like you said you know going to one hole whether it be you know for shriners this next week it'll probably be the drivable far four or fifteen toll and then the 17th hole which is a par three and i think what you're going to see in this is that we're going to see most likely just about every single player that's in the field come through these holes so instead of only seeing let's say 25 guys of the 144 we're going to see closer to the full field on the tv screen while you're sitting there watching so if you're a parent or you're a cousin or you're a friend or you're a fan of x name this player that doesn't get on tv you know once every five events unless he holds out a shot hey this is this is now this fall an opportunity to see him play whether it be you know that that drivable hole or that going forward into or that par three so you'll that you'll typically see that on Thursday and then friday if you're fan or friend or whatever it is is on that cut line that's going to be the storyline and and that's that's the big thing it's been echoed from the players it's like we don't show enough of our golfers in that we don't focus enough on the cut line and i could not have greened up more on this i've always said that man it'd be cool to have some type of like a red zone experience on friday's but now we're just going to do it on the broadcast and uh saturday and sunday we've always focused on on the leaders and setting up these storylines and who's going to win these golf tournaments but but now we have friday to really you know wean into what is one of the coolest things that we have in professional golf which is a cut you know this is what guys uh decide whether they're going to get paid or not um that not just the players the caddies do so it's a it means a lot for somebody like me knowing going every into every week you know you're you're just trying to give yourself an opportunity on the weekend to go make a paycheck and move up whether it's the cornbury tour pointless or the pj tour FedEx got pointless um and that was our sole focus so i love that friday's going to be that way i think just the graphics that i've seen this entire fall of just the rolling leaderboards of so weird seeing you know a 20 person leaderboard of where the cut is you just never have seen that before so for me i'm always checking that anyways to see who's making a cut and who isn't now i get to watch it on friday so i think it's a a great way to to kind of test this as we kind of move into hopefully getting people to turn on the tv on a friday we've talked a lot about this in this specific episode thanks some of the comments we've received but i just think it's worth reiterating is the thing i like about this the most is the youtubeification of the car like what do we love about youtube golf it's that there are personalities involved it said yes they're playing a sport that we see on television from from from a professional perspective but it's also it's watching a human being go about around a golf in the way that i might you know if i'm with my buddies you know playing at hope valley i i think that there is the the cut line to me of course is competitive of course it folds into the tournament being played but it's also a human interest story and i think that the more that we can do to showcase the different segments of this term that's happening and also and i know that they're probably not leaning into this right away but just you know more of this access to guys that that are not only the top of the year board that but they're trying to kind of extend their career in a lot of different ways by you know making a cut or two or not ending up on the wrong side of the top 125 we're talking about that they earn their tour cards at the end of the season that's up to me i love and and i think i'm glad they're experimenting more with that i'm glad they're experimenting with it on the broadcast trying to get creative with that and i hope that more and more of that continues to happen because then i think that's how you you know people you know get get uh they're they're just they're these consistent gripes of it's the same old presentation for golf on television every single year i love that we're trying to kind of tell stories in different sorts of ways so i'm excited to see how this actually plays out on the broadcast this fall and hopefully beyond into 2025 yeah that's something on the happy hour uh when i've hosted this year uh for for mbc that's something that as the year went on i realize hey i have a great opportunity on a friday to to really know when when these guys are coming through on this part three or this travel part four i need to know where they are in relative to the cut line and i've tried to do that with every single player that comes through and to me because it it just it just gives people a reason to care about what their situation is down the stretch so uh hopefully the cut line yeah is uh something that he's here to stay probably you know signature events don't have cuts we'll continue to watch the best players and feature group type coverage but when we talk about valero we talk about the cognizant i think you're going to see this type of you know what we're testing in the fall we're going to be seeing some of that um you know early early in the in this next calendar year and i think it'll be really good for us but you know i think it'll be interesting the the interview thing uh personally from my from my side i could if it was if it was me making the decisions on this instead of having somebody just on one hole and not knowing what their round has been yeah i i personally think it's the on course reporters that have been watching falling with these groups you know just before the day just clear it say all right this guy's in you're gonna talk to him on the 14th hole you've already watched him play 13 holes it's an easy interview because i just want to know about the golf course right i think it's a little challenging you know give doing a bunch of interviews on one hole and not really know how their round is really gone besides just seeing okay they're 100 today but we don't know how you know like we don't know exactly how it's happened so that's that would be my my you know just way in which i i think it's the easiest way to to really give you know informative information to uh to the audience uh common here from evan cantrell who by the way is a show og guy who's a big fan of the dad content on the pot so shout out to evan appreciate you joining with with us tonight for the for the live version of the show i'm gonna take his question and i'm gonna kind of transform it a little bit because this question has any chance we get a player miked up for a round and i think what i'm curious to hear from you smiley is in the conversations that we know these networks have had with these player councils and things like that and and you just talked about it a little bit of having a walker who's watching an entire round with the guy asking them questions what's the closest behind the scenes we've we've gotten to the suggestion of a player you know being miked up for the entirety of an 18 hole round and do you think we'll ever get there well i think the deal is is that it's it's the trust barrier i think that the one thing that players are worried about is what they say you know off you know off-camera or where the mics aren't around and that being picked up and being something that gets them canceled or gets them ruined and whatever that is if it's them cussing too much uh like myself that would be one thing that i know i i could not be miked up because i was somebody that would cuss under my breath um a bit negative talk here and there so i would be a little concerned about that uh so there's just that giving them access is also scary but i thought the big plum brine stansfield uh who's who's helped us out here on with a bunch of our production he's he is he is our mvp hard knocks cut line i think that is something that is is so cool when you when you watch the hard knocks in the nfl watching their season how it progresses the pre-season even like the gm stuff this year just that axis and that's what we're dying for that is what i would turn the tv on to follow that cut line and just you know how intense it is when they when they fail i want to know what goes on after i can tell you countless rental cars that that are lucky to be alive after i got done with it you know i just banging my fists against the dang headboard and i i can tell you that there's a lot of people that would would sympathize uh would also say okay this guy needs to get it together but also like you know it just shows support for this podcast comes from progressive a leader in rv insurance we've all made rv mistakes like not pestproofing the rv for winter but there's one mistake you shouldn't make not ensuring your travel trailer progressive rv insurance can protect your travel trailer when your auto or home insurance can get a quote at progressive.com progressive cash routine insurance company and affiliates are you still quoting 30 year old movies have you said cool beans in the past 90 days do you think discover isn't widely accepted if this sounds like you you're stuck in the past discover is accepted at 99 of places that take credit cards nationwide and every time you make a purchase with your card you automatically are in cashback welcome to the now it pays to discover learn more at discover.com/credit card based on the february 2024 nelson report what the you know what what professional sports is all about and professional golf is all about and in our sport in particular which is making the cut is how you get paid yeah i mean it's just again it's it is uh all the stories don't have to come from who's gonna win the golf tournament there are more stories that happen you know in the the depth of a you know hundred plus player field depending on which event it is there's a lot of stuff going on there and i think a lot of it is compelling and so to the extent that we can tell those stories in a way that brings different audiences in so they're not seeing the same thing every week i think it's a worthwhile venture and let's see how it goes and and uh and so i'm intrigued to see how that does go on broadcast this fall and beyond um staying on on a similar topic in a way is what we've kind of talked about since ironite uh the their recent comments from rory mackerelroy so kyle porter used to work for cbs did some fantastic golf coverage there recently left launches own newsletter called normal sport uh he's written a couple of books uh just kind of poking fun at the absurdity of the game of golf and all the situations it puts us in uh using that sort of normal sport branding is now branched off to write his own newsletter called normal sport uh worthwhile read opened up with the rory mackerelroy q and a and and now how to cool on this last week jamey kennedy's produced a lot of stuff for the dp world tour uh and so as part of that rory q and a uh to near the end of it kyle kind of flipped it for rory and said hey uh we do a lot of question asking of you is there anything you'd like to ask me or us as a member of the media and i don't want to take rory out of context here so i'm just going to read you a collection of his thoughts on this topic so rory says there's certain people in the game that i would say how can i put this we're all in this together right we're all in the game of golf together we all want to push it forward and i always wonder why some people in the media ask questions that have a negative connotation toward golf or make golf look bad or put it in a bad light i get it i get that it's human nature and negativity sells and that's why seeing it is the way it is and that's why fox news is the way it is and all that stuff but if we're all in this together and we all know that we can benefit by raising the game up some people in the media i'd love to ask why their golf coverage is so negative and he goes on to clarify that he's not he's not saying you can't critique someone from playing poorly he says someone messes up and you have to be critical of someone absolutely i think that's a part of it i think i more than anyone understand that i know that not saying being critical of players i'm saying being critical of the overall game of golf i think it's more to do with the coverage of i guess it's true but viewership's declining and this is bad and that's bad and they hate the fans and they hate this i understand where they're coming from but surely it's in everyone's best interest to focus on the positives of the game where recreational golf has never been better there's more opportunities to play the game just stuff like that sometimes i wonder what their incentive is to be so negative at times a lot there to break down from Rory but just i think you're a perfect person to pose this to as someone who's played on the pj tour was won a pj tour event and now it holds a microphone and works these events on the media side you know what do you what are your initial reactions to what Rory said here well you know let's start with just live golf right like before live golf was here you know i i think there was probably a way in which the tour was they were set too much in their own ways too much in in the traditional golf not wanting to really change live golf comes along it totally bulldozes you know the traditional golf model they they've you know try to reach an audience that is that once changed they they like to see things that are done a little differently and so they they have found you know an audience that that does like this format the shot can start you know 54 holes everything that we knew about golf in just a different way um but what do where are we at right now in this game and i think this just from a network side and somebody that works for a network uh wouldn't you know we're just constantly looking at ratings seeing that those are down so naturally they're trying to find a way it's like okay well what's the easiest way to get ratings up it's like well you try to get the best players playing together and so the from a player side that's what Rory McRoy he's trying to do more of he wants for the schedule to be a little bit more diverse and global uh from a monetary financial standpoint could be a bit of an issue the more global you get the pj tours found a way to you know have these guys playing for a lot of money and that's where i kind of am going to weave this conversation and this is that the players they're getting paid more than they ever have you can look at it in every bucket i think that the live golf players heck yeah they're talking great about the live golf tour you know why they're getting paid a lot of money more double triple quadruple more than they've ever made and in the ratings don't say that they should be making that much so it's a bubble that we're kind of dealing with right now we have pga tour players that are making absurd amount of money and whether you think they should be making that much and that the ratings and what we should probably judge based off of how many people are actually watching and is this sustainable long term as far as what these purses are asking or excuse me what these purses are are given out to the pj tour players and and what these sponsors on the pj tour are getting in return to go to a say a Wells Fargo and say you know what if you're going to be our title sponsor we're going to need you know you've given us 10 million dollars a year but this purse actually needs to be 25 now and let's say the ones that have been 20 and and trying to get that extra four million dollars and and what are you getting you're you're getting the exact same there's no value ads besides you know just saying that hey instead of that Rory McElroy wasn't going to be at your event we can guarantee you that these guys are going to be there but it's still a game that is it's still got a a kink in the armors at the professional level so that I can understand why Rory's like everybody needs to to be nicer about where the game of golf is and that it is a great game but we're a podcast we get to we get to talk about how how feelings are from the fan side and and that all the things that new do need to get fixed because guess what they do and we're going to keep talking about him well and I think the I don't know if I want to call it ironic but the interesting thing when you're looking at this is that you know and maybe maybe it's just Rory's opinion or or anyone's opinion as to what any golf podcast what their function is in this space and what they're supposed to be doing are they supposed to be commenting strictly on golf performance that happens on the golf course are they supposed to be talking about golf at large from a business perspective are they supposed to be talking about just the professional game are they supposed to be talking about or are they supposed to be talking about or are they just laws you know or the grassroots part of the game like what what role are any of us supposed to fill I think that's the antitrust thing is actually it's perfect that you bring that up because you know we found ourselves launching this podcast in you know May 2023 and months later being like what on earth have we signed up for here because we're thinking about things and talking about things that we never in a million years thought we'd have to talk about as part of the show and so I say all that to say if Rory is okay with critique of a player's performance that is happening on the golf course because he's saying hey you know it's it's a game of golf you know there's a party up to shoot there's a leader of the tournament if they come up short and they do it by means of bad strategy or bad execution that's all fair game like is it not also okay to look at the state of a league and the decisions they're making to grow their product and you know in whichever direction they're trying to go and say hmm I don't know if what I made that decision because that is clearly hamstrung that league in terms of growth or in terms of you know providing a product to a fan that people want to sign up to pay for um I think that maybe where I would give Rory a little bit of the benefit of the doubt right understand where he's coming from is it's a lot more clear cut on a golf course you know you know what par is you know what they're shooting in relation to par you can see it all playing out in front of you like I'm not sitting in a room with Yasser and Jimmy Dunne and Ed Hurley whoever else or you know like like I don't know what's happening in there I don't understand I don't know you know all these negotiations it's hard to say they should have done this they should have done that because like I'm not privy to any of that um but I think it's I think some of the negativity maybe I'd say it this way is that I understand why there are factions of people that are very upset with the way things have gone in the world of golf for the past few months or years or whatever it is because they're they're looking at a thing they love and it's not going the way they want it to and they're what they're expressing is frustration but it's also it's it's born out of a place of love of like I want this thing to do well and it stinks that it's not you know I think we choose to approach it maybe in a little bit of a different way like we're getting a little meta now but I think it's like we're looking at this and we're willing to critique but also I think that maybe there's part of us that says yeah but like how can we spin this forward how can we you know what's the positive way we can kind of work out of this and get to the end goal or we want to go for this game even if we have to make some realistic concessions along the way but that's just the way we're wired I understand why other people are wired a different way it's just it's all it's very interesting I think I think it's it's a interesting discussion point Rory comes up with and I wonder how many other players think and feel that same way I've done a lot of Q&A's this year and and when I always open it up to question to the crowd the first thing that is talked about and it's in most of the time the question it's not even a question it's more of just a a general comment and it's always about live golf and the anger that this person speaks with it's it's a frustration that they don't want the game of golf to be hijacked by the Saudis and I think that that is where I think of this big divide of you know the Saudis potentially buying the sport and I think that scares a lot of people and I think that it turns off plenty of fans yeah and and look I can understand that but I think to kind of you also kind of have to be realistic about the way the world works and you can also you can like money wins money wins in a lot of cases and that's where we found the middle ground and all of this right I think Rory figured it out because remember where he was on the side of the coin he's like on that like terrible product you never be a part of it and then all of a sudden we had this 180 from Rory we're like what is going on you and I are texting each other like is this actually Rory because he was so on the other side of on the PGA tour side being the one that's carrying the flag and then all of a sudden you know the on the opposite side of it so but he but what he realizes like we can't we can't beat the Saudis like money is going to win in this you have to find a way to meet in the middle ground and you know Jimmy Dunn tried to do it at Hurley tried to do it and they did have that deal that June 6 deal and and looking at it now who knows that could have been the right deal at the right time and now I think it's going to be a game of leverage as we move forward because until a deal is done with the piff right it's going to be the you know the the Saudis trying to find a way in which they're going to have a leverage against the PGA tour well and and and I'll say this like I think that the thing that Rory said there was uh look if this is inevitable that they're going to spend this much money on the game we have to figure out how to incorporate it to make all things work in the best possible way for the health of this game like it or not but I think that you know where I end up on this is even though we sit here and we do a topical show on a weekly basis about you know leagues and professional golf and things like that where I end up investing more of my time and mental energy is you know the latter half what Rory talks about which is like the health of this game at a grassroots level and and how cool it is to see people loving a game and participating in a game it rates that you know we really haven't seen since like the tiger boom when we were kids you know and that to me I think is really cool and I think that that goes really it's looking at the future of this game and of course wanting the professional game at the highest level to end up in a place where we all want to watch it and it generates money that pays our salaries and things like that but at the same time it's like looking at the youtube evocation of of where we're going and looking at great players like Bryson but also like the good goods of the world and the Bob does sports and things like that and saying it's pretty cool that people can make a living off of that now and that there is a embrace of this game that doesn't look like traditional professional golf that is you know there could be a future for this game in a very different way and and you know I don't know maybe that's a little Pollyanna or me but it's you know it's just it's tough you get too mired on the negative I think for me I it's just it just doesn't it doesn't work for me oh yeah it's it's going to turn off a lot of people if you know the PJ tour does is incorporated with this audience and all this it's going to turn off a lot of people and and maybe they're they're better off not doing a deal with them at all and and that's maybe not going to get the best players playing and still have a divided sport but I don't know well we'll have to see yeah yeah well smiley I would say this that we are now an hour and four minutes in and we made it maybe 30 percent of the way into our actual rundown which I think is a smashing success because that means that everybody who commented and chimed in and gave us some good stuff to talk about uh helped us a lot in producing the show tonight we also Franco Castro that says the Reds are beating the Mets 7-0 you know Franco right it's my roommate from college oh is he really yeah I don't know Franco is he a Reds fan uh well oh wait would that be I think that said it wouldn't that be at all is that bangles I think bangles I don't think the Reds made both season pro I mean that was a baseball pod that was that was just a tough tough sports moment for you there pro like just like I don't know where my head's at right now turn your brain on man it's not like you had a baby at last week right I was gonna say you went to Baton Rouge I've been through the depths of a two-year-old and a newborn uh this kind of while that we actually just had a formidable conversation for an hour right with with one of us not just falling over it's it's a minor miracle I'm surprised we're able to make it uh but it was a fun one was and as we always say we get to know these live shows like why don't we do this more often yeah I guess we might as well just mention the news and notes right I got the windum Tom Kim thing kind of got kind of got debunked the whole thing it was just uh I don't know how this story still because still is continuing to go on this but regardless it seems that windum has sold his side of the story right should I give the cliff notes there it's really really briefly just briefly yeah just yes very pretty quick so you know the whole Tom Kim thing people are cursing at him while he's on the course his caddy paul the story goes on pj to radio says yes there was some cursing although I don't think he should have spoken to the media about it and then uh windham clerk on a golf digest podcast I believe the loop this last week went on to explain his side of things said hey uh when when uh c-woo and Tom beat us like a drum he and uh kegan bradley in the morning there was a lot of celebration going on which they were totally entitled to they were playing well and then we went out in the afternoon and he was watching the the c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-m and Tom Kim play against Patrick cant lanes and er shot clean a match and there was uh more more celebration he was watching with tony fee now um again they were totally entitled to it they were playing well he said when c-woo made that bunker shot on the 16th and did the step curry celebration he and tony fee now sort of looked at each other said well there's a lot of match left here and not so sure he should have celebrated and we're gonna let him know if we win this match and and and they did of course do that and people saw that in that video it was making the rounds on the internet but I think basically his defense was the profanities that were uttered were meant to our own teammates a lot of LFGs so to speak uh and uh you know everything else was just all not the heat of competition because those guys were giving it to us pretty good so I'll take him at his word yeah there you go uh he definitely looked him in the eye probably said LFG and and whether he felt like that was directed at him I don't know uh so that's that we're we're done talking about that whole squabble if you will and I guess the one last thing was was that the Ryder Cup press conferences was this week so just yes I think the the tangible uh or scoopy thing that came out of that was Sergio Garcia potentially figuring out it's like how how much is it worth being a part of the Ryder Cup he's I think he's the all-time leading uh points getter from the European side does he want to pay the fines uh for the DP World Tour to to earn his way uh potentially to be eligible to play in the Ryder Cup I think that's the scoopy stuff they came out of that besides that I'm really excited for the Ryder Cup I and and just the cliff notes there as well is that for the extent that he was a DP World Tour member uh membership that he gave up after a certain period of time every time he played a live tour event that conflicted with the DP World Tour event that was a hundred thousand dollar fine or maybe it was a hundred thousand dollar pound fine or europe forever right a lot of money and and so the the debate he's now having in his head and and Luke Donald alluded to this conversation having been had in the background is that he's contemplating paying back that some money which could approach a million dollars just to potentially play on the Ryder Cup team which is that's how much it means to Sergio I mean and then John Raw material hadn't both dealing with the same thing apparently live golf said that they would pay it DP World Tour is like now we good but if if they were smart they would just pay John Rom they would pay to your hat and whatever the fines are and they would send the same whatever the fines are for Sergio to Sergio Sergio pays him boom done like it's a win for live they need to have their guys in those events for people to talk about that their live guys playing this events big plum surge pricing I mean I don't know I don't know do we need to say any more words after that that's really that's really well done big plum thanks for producing even when you're not producing that's all we got that's all we got that's all we got and I got to say you know this is also I got to give a shout out to Craig W here because even though you know Craig has strong thoughts on some things as part of the show enjoys the show and we appreciate you chime in in the comments and telling us what you think we want everyone to do that and and everyone to kind of stimulate that ongoing conversation debate this is lots of fun stuff so appreciate everyone watching and listening as always hope to do more of this in the near future we both need sleep in a bad bad way yes so I feel I feel kind of bad for Fran tonight as I I do think as someone who's not you know every guy says they're like oh you know I'm not a snorer but you know like I'm I do think tonight could be an issue I think I'm gonna be a bit of a problem I think I'm gonna struggle with oxygen okay so I think I'm gonna be working pretty hard sleeping that's uh hate to hear that for Fran and uh we'll see how I net out I've just been like jolted away with an eye mask on every hour and a half to change diapers so I'm just like am I already just not usually but when the newborn is like staying awake and lights are going on and I'm trying to kind of get sleep where I can night mask is I broke it out the hospital and I was surprised as I noted on the show last time at how well I slept that's maybe a place in the hospital that's a good play I was like wait a second maybe I should get back to being a night mask guy didn't hate that noted no night mask pod there you have it yeah thanks thanks everyone for joining us we helped you to get soon and smiley I'm gonna try to do the outro I'm gonna hopefully not botch his badge to go trash let's play him off keyboard get. 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Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme check in for a rare late-night live show following the conclusion of the Black Desert Championship! Smylie is fresh off a Baton Rouge trip with his family to watch his alma mater, LSU, win an overtime thriller against Ole Miss, and Charlie is back at home (and out of the dreaded hospital chair) after the arrival of his daughter. SK and CH catch up on the latest headline stories in the golf world, talk some football, and preview some exciting content on deck the next few weeks.
