The Joe Rogan Experience - #2065 - David Grusch

David Grusch is a former Air Force intelligence officer, representative of the National Reconnaissance Office to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, and co-lead for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis at the National Geo-Spacial Intelligence Agency. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Duration: 2h 47m
Broadcast on: 21 Nov 2023
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(dramatic music) - Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. - The Joe Rogan Experience. - Trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (upbeat music) - What's up, all right man? - Hey, good, good. - Thanks for coming here, appreciate it. - Yeah, yeah, no it's a pleasure. - You've been on a whirlwind sort of tour. I guess we should start from the beginning. - Yeah. - So first of all, lay out to people what your job was with the military and how this all started for you. - Yeah, yeah, so I was an Intel officer in the Air Force for 14 years, seven active, seven reserve. Then I kind of had like a parallel track in the civilian intel world when I became a reservist. And ultimately I got brought back in in civil service in a government way at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency a couple years ago at a senior level. So I was a major in the Air Force and a GS-15 at NGA which is like a full bird kernel equivalent civilian employee, you know, I'm very humbled that I was able to kind of get that kind of job. But my career mostly, I didn't even really think about this topic, UFOs were not on my radar. I wasn't really a believer, I was agnostic about it. Most of my career I did a lot of, you know, behind-the-door special access program, technical type activities. I was kind of a space intelligence expert, a cyber intel expert. And like I said, this was not on my radar at all. You know, like I would joke with my buddies 'cause I used to handle the presidential daily brief for the National Constance Office Director in my military capacity as a reservist. And I was well clear to hundreds and hundreds of compartmented programs. And you know, the joke was like, when are we gonna get the read-on for the crazy shit? And that never happens. And I do remember that the day that I really can remember that I was like, huh, what's with this UFO stuff? I was briefing a senior person at the CIA into a couple hundred special access programs. So I was at the headquarters at the agency

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