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But, you know, it happens and ultimately it comes out. You guys know I ham-pick these cases. I dive really, really deep into them. There you have concepts and things in them that I find interesting and I want to dive into. I'm not just here to read you a timeline of events. I tried to get in a little bit deeper. So, if you like my storytelling, if you're interested in the little tidbits that I add in, don't forget to subscribe to the channel right at 5 stars on Spotify if you want to. Now, I'm taking my cozy Bose blanket and we are going straight in. Vegas Bray grew up in a military community in San Diego. Her dad wasn't really involved. She was mostly just raised by her mother. But when she was 12 years old, her mother abandoned her. Vegas would also later go on to reveal that at 12 years old, she was also sexually assaulted. And when she told a teacher, the teacher didn't do anything. So often, children that are abused don't speak up, they don't know how, they don't know who to go to and they're scared. So, Vegas actually speaking up to an adult about this and identifying who the person was, was such a cry for help, also incredibly great. This person essentially told her about the worst thing that ever happened to her, didn't really happen and I can't help you. Vegas may have never tried to ask for help again. You know, she doesn't have a mother or father figure in her life and she's really just left alone with this rage, this violation, this betrayal and it kind of just sits in her. Now, despite all of this, Vegas actually did really, really well in school. People said that she was very sweet, she was always on top of her schoolwork, she was generally a nice girl and I could kind of see this. Like, as an adult, she kind of looks like a badass, you know. She's always got her hair done, she's got like tattoos, etc. But when I actually watched her interrogation, she is kind of sweet, kind of, you know, shy, like, just seems kind almost. Vegas' friends from high school said that she was pretty, she was good looking, but they also described her as a good girl. Like, Vegas wasn't just a cool girl, they also said like, "Oh yeah, she's like a goody-goody." I'm gonna insert a little tidbit about my own experience that might resonate with some of you guys and then also possibly connect to the story. But when people lose all of the structures in their life, their home, their mom, their dad, they feel like they're just floating and suspended in space. It can feel very chaotic, very confusing. So, they sometimes will really cling to the structures that are built for them that seem solid. So, for example, for me, when I was a kid and I felt scared and alone, I really liked to follow the rules because it was the only structure that I had. So, sometimes I think that when people have some kind of extreme trauma like this, they can really excel in, you know, school and other things because they're like, "Okay, I like this. This gives me a place. This gives me a home. This gives me rules that I know to follow." And she really was an all-star student. So, Vegas thrives in school and she thrives in these structures, but when she graduated in 2007, college wasn't exactly in the cards. So, she did what a lot of her hometown people did and she went to go work at the naval base. This makes sense. It's what a lot of local residents did, but also, this is kind of where she came from. She grew up on the base and also, once again, she knows those structures. Like, there's a sense of home in the military for her. So, she ends up getting a job as a machinist. Her job was kind of doing some of the operating and then kind of just like setting up the parts for different things. But Vegas is getting older and she's a pretty girl. Unfortunately, Vegas wasn't really good at this job. I mean, she was a little flirty to begin with and she always got guys back in high school. She would always kind of flirt by like cutting guys' hairs and like not really dating, just kind of whatever. And now that she's working on the military base, there's a lot of guys around. So, Vegas is not really doing her job well. And then also like, you know, scoping out the co-workers, seeing what's going on. And she kind of starts to get away from that good girl attitude. There was also a guy that worked there and his name was Victor Sussito. Vegas and Victor had kind of met a little bit, but they didn't know each other. They didn't work nearby. She just probably thought he was a pretty good looking guy. They talked a couple times and that was that. But in 2010, she applies for an early discharge because she's ready to leave the military and she's out. After she leaves the military, she doesn't really have any skills that translate well outside of the military. And so she ends up getting a job at a place called Little Darlings. This Little Darlings was in Lemon Grove, California, but some of you guys might know it as a popular strip club as well in Las Vegas. It's a chain. Vegas' job as a cocktail waitress is she's actually basically a liaison between the guys that come in and the dancers. I'm, look, I'm just telling you guys this right now. Sometimes the dancers will really be friends, certain cocktail waitresses, or sometimes slip them a little bit of money because when the girls come over to take the order, they kind of chat with the guys. You know, they talk a little, they want to get a tip too. But sometimes they might suggest a girl or say, "Oh, meet my friend so-and-so." So she's not dancing, but as a cocktail waitress, she's very involved in talking with these guys. And, you know, make it up like her. One day when she's working, this guy comes in. He's tall, about six one. He's kind of tan. He's got a shaved head. He's confident. He's attractive in the face. And Vegas remembers him from the naval face. It's Victor Salcedo. Lumi, Lumi, Lumi. One of my favorites. Listen, summer is not the only time that we get body odor. Whether it's hot or cold outside, you're going to sweat unless you're protected. And Lumi gives you protection for up to 72 hours. Isn't that so cool? You ever have one of those days where you leave the house and you realize, "Oh my god, I forgot to put deodorant on." Well, did you use Lumi? And did you put it on yesterday? Well, guess what girl? You're good. There's, of course, the regular clean scents. But now you can also choose from a couple of fall scents like the pumpkin spice latte, freshly picked apples, fresh coffee, and cinnamon. Very fall-like for you. Lumi's great. It was created by an OBGYN that just wanted a product that did more for people. 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I mean, he was pretty. And he lived in a bachelor pad on base with a couple of his Navy friends. And it was just always time to party, hang out with guys, hang out with the girls. Like it that was just his life. Victor's friends said that he was a guy's guy. He was that, you know, a girl being a girl's girl. He was a guy's guy. He was for the bros, okay? And there were a lot of women that were vying for his attention, like girls that he was hooking up with. And they were coming over and Victor would be like, all right, you can go now. That was just, you know, the M.O. He was kind of a player. One of his friends said, Victor dated a lot of people. It was hard for somebody to keep his attention for too long. He would just get bored and move on. Now on this day, Victor comes into the strip club and he is looking for a new girl to talk to you. And that is when Vegas Bray sees him again. Now remember, her job is to kind of liaison. But here he is again. It's the guy from the Navy base and oh, he's just as hot as she remembers. You know, she goes over, starts chatting with them and they kind of really hit it off. Like he liked her. She liked him. But also, Victor likes a lot of girls. But right now, Vegas feels special and she wants to keep that feeling. After this meeting, they were off to the races. They started hanging out all the time. Then hanging out was actually pretty out of character for Victor. Normally, he invites a girl over. Maybe she comes over super late at night, nine, 10, 11 o'clock. And then she's gone before the sun is even up. Most of the time, his roommates didn't get to meet many of these women, but Vegas was around. She and Victor really got along because they have this sarcastic dark humor and they could really like banter and bullshit with each other. And he genuinely enjoyed her company. And not only that, I mean romantically, they really hit it off too. She was extremely attracted to Victor and he thought she was beautiful. He thought she had a beautiful curvy body, beautiful face, just like all the right places. He could not get enough of Vegas. And then adding the personality on top and then also add in Vegas's determination for this guy to like her. I mean, he's actually over the moon and she's keeping his attention. A friend of Vegas is actually said later, quote, you know, they were always together. So I'm like, okay, this guy could really be the one for her. I mean, Victor's friends saw them getting along like crazy, like no other girl. They saw Victor happy. And then also Vegas's friends were seeing how close they were. Like people were like, wow, they're like an item. Then Victor does something crazy, something he has never done before. In March of 2011, he officially, officially made Vegas Bray his girlfriend. 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And not only did Victor have women hanging over him all the time, he also had a kid with his ex. There was a woman named Dominique. And who knows what all was going on behind the scenes leading up until March. But there's one day that they're out of cookout. Vegas, Victor, his brothers there, a bunch of other friends. And this is the moment where Victor's brother really sees it. They're sitting around barbecue, having a good time and then Dominique calls Victor. I mean, they have a kid together. So, of course, she's got to call him sometimes to do things. And Victor was really, really involved in his child's life. In fact, at one point, he wanted to move back to Chicago, but he stayed in San Diego because he couldn't be away from his kid. Dominique calls him up, you know, talking about their son. They don't have like a great relationship or anything. They're just talking about the kids. And afterwards, he gets off the phone and Vegas is stewing. I mean, they said it was like steam was coming out of her ears and she's quiet for a minute. And then she just explodes into just a violent jealous rage. And everybody saw it. It was so intense that it was almost kind of shocking, like, whoa, is she really going to let us see her like this right now? I mean, she probably didn't want to, but Vegas couldn't control it. She could not control her anger. She could not control her jealousy. When she got triggered by something, it didn't matter who was around. It didn't matter what the situation was. She just absolutely snapped. This jealousy did not just involve his ex Dominique. It involved every woman. Now, remember I told you that Victor always had women that were throwing themselves at him, always hanging around. Well, you know, he's got a few flings from the past that still like to check in. Vegas loses her mind. He's got women that, you know, see him at the gym or see him on the street and give him a look. Vegas loses her mind. Maybe there's a secretary at work that says, Oh, Victor, you look nice today. Vegas loses her mind. She could not handle how many women were interested in Victor. I find this part really, really interesting because she is a person that is extremely jealous and extremely intimidated by any and every woman that approaches her man. Yet she chose a guy that had an ex baby mama and also a guy that had a lot of girlfriends. I've kind of seen this before where sometimes girls like guys that get a lot of attention from women because unbeknownst to them, they want to beat out the other competition and prove that they are worth it. I don't know if this was exactly the case with Vegas, but if somebody sees Victor and sees, Oh my God, all these girls want him. Well, if I can be the one, then I must be special. I must be something. I don't have my own self esteem to draw from. So I need to beat the competition that I've created so that I can get to the top and feel like I'm the one. Now it's interesting because she tried so hard to get Victor to date her. And finally, he is. He has committed to her and there's no record of him cheating quite frankly with the stuff we're about to get into. I think he was scared to cheat. Okay. I think he was terrified to cheat on Vegas. So by all accounts, he was loyal to her, not talking to anybody. There's no, you know, records of her finding something on his phone or anything. She just couldn't even handle a woman looking at him. Yet this is the man that she chose. Vegas is setting herself up for a world of pain, jealousy, and insecurity. Jealousy is a huge theme in this case. And I want to kind of add a little definition to two words. There's jealousy and then there's envy. Envy is usually when somebody has something that you want. It could be a material possession. It could be a job. It could be, you know, something like that. They have a thing that you want. Jealousy is when you have a relationship with another person and you believe that a third party is threatening your connection with that other person. So that is the difference between envy and jealousy. And in the case of jealousy here for Vegas, she believes that every woman is a threat to her bond with Victor as a person that has dated attractive guys that, you know, women come on to and I've been jealous before. I get it. You know, there's an element of disrespect from the person that's hitting on there. An element of disrespect for your partner from engaging in it. But then also for me, there's a lot of insecurity there when I feel jealousy because I'm like, Oh my God, am I good enough? Are they better than me? Can they take you from me? Like that is what jealousy feels like. It's like a hit to the ego sometimes. And it's like, stop, stop, stop. Wait, this hurts too much. Am I good enough? Vegas has this tendency to kind of split between the way that she wants to be presented and then this anger and rage and jealousy and insecurity that she can't control. So keeping that in mind, throughout the relationship, when Vegas was online, being her most present self, not triggered, conscious, she was really sweet. She was really doting with Victor. They had a very intense romantic and sexual connection. They got along well, you know, friends and family mingled well. But then sometimes there was this insane dark side from her. They would come out of nowhere. And it wasn't all the time. It was maybe only 10% of the relationship or 15%. But these moments were really scary for Victor. And then she would just switch back to normal. What I believe she doesn't know at this point is she is simply getting triggered. And the place in her mind that she is going back to is a child that is scared, lost, afraid to be abandoned, upset, and they have this rageful protector that is going to keep them from feeling like they are not good enough. Even though they're together, this is not good enough for Vegas. I mean, they come from the military. She wants to get married. She wants more commitment, more dedication, and more time for Victor. And the more she pulls in, and the more she gets closer, and the more she has these crazy outbursts, the more he kind of pulls back. But Victor stays in this cycle for quite a while. As he starts to pull back, this could have triggered some type of potential abandonment to Vegas. And when she senses it, she kind of ramps up. And so she starts sending him these rageful texts. Rather than her just kind of having the outbursts in person and then switching back to, "No, everything's fine now. I'm okay, I'm okay, and I love you, and I love you." Now she's texting him this stuff. Like, we're going from 10% to like 20%, 30% of the craziness. And she'll send him these insane messages, spamming him, spamming him, spamming him, and then let me just see you, let me just see you. What the fuck is wrong with you? And then she starts switching to direct threats. Not just, "I'm coming over there. I'm gonna do this." She starts to tell Victor that she's gonna fucking kill him. Now, Vegas stands at 5 foot 2, and like I said, on the outside, she does kind of have a sweet demeanor. Victor is a guy in the Navy that works out all the time, and he's 6 foot 1. When she starts to say, "I'm gonna kill you," he tells people, but everyone just kind of laughs it off. I think at this point, Victor was starting to get scared because it all culminates into one night where Vegas went from sending rageful texts and showing up at his house to pulling a gun out on him. While she laid on his chest one night, she pulled out a gun and demanded her ultimatum. Whatever it was, Victor was not going for it. He broke up with her the next day and said, "Please, Vegas, this isn't working out. I don't want to see you anymore." It might be wild to you that it got to the point of her doing this back and forth and back and forth and screaming at him, like threatening him, pulling out a gun on him. Like, how did we get to this point? How could somebody withstand all of that and not walk away? A lot of times if we come from chaotic homes and we have a parent that is not taking good care of us in our emotions, but they say, "But I love you." We now take that as, "Okay, this is love. Somebody abusing me is love. Somebody manipulating me is love. Somebody neglecting me is love. Somebody creating intense emotions in me is love." So for Victor, he's getting these highs and lows that are extremely intense. This, "Wow, I love this woman too. Wow, I'm terrified of this woman." And if it all gets wrapped up in a bundle of intensity and he came from a chaotic home that taught you, "Hey, intensity and abuse is love. He's going to stick it out because this is what his brain believes his love." And also, I wouldn't be surprised if Vegas also believes that chaos, intensity, abuse, and everything is also love because that's the environment that she came from. So I don't have much information about Victor's home life, but I just wanted to provide a little context for you guys listening, like, "Why didn't he leave? Why didn't he go?" Well, he thought he loved her. And even though he was scared of her, she created a lot of strong emotions in him, whether they were positive or negative, and he just couldn't get away from it. On top of that, this woman is starting to scare him and he doesn't want to make her upset. Of course, after he breaks up with her for his own safety, things start to take a darker turn. It starts with Victor coming out from the mall and going to his car and seeing that his entire car has been keyed up. There's nobody around. It's broad daylight. He knows this was Vegas, but he can't prove it. Then on April 18th, Victor actually makes a 911 call because Vegas came to his house at one o'clock in the morning and she smeared peanut butter on his front door and windows. We don't have a transcript of the call, but we do know that on this call, Victor must have given enough information to let the sheriff's deputy know, "Hey, I know it's just peanut butter, but let me key you in on everything that's been happening leading up to this." Like, this chick is crazy. So they suggested to him, "Well, I mean, if nobody's there and you don't see anybody around, we can't prove that she did it, but if you have enough evidence, we suggest you get a restraining order." And they hung up? That was it. It didn't stop there, though. Victor and Vegas were actually still slightly in contact around this time, and when she didn't get what she wanted through messages, she would show up and do more. Next, she started showing up to his house and throwing eggs on his car on his windows at his house. Then she starts to escalate. This time, she's no longer keying cars and throwing eggs everywhere. She slashes all of his tires. Victor is, honestly, I believe the man was terrified at this point, but what is he gonna say? Like, he's already told his friends what's going on, and they're like, "Whoa, she's nuts. This is bad." But nobody really thinks that anything is gonna happen to Victor, but he's still nervous and he starts to take extra precautions. Sometimes, Victor didn't even want to take his car anywhere, because he was afraid she would follow him. She might key it again. She would know what he was doing, so sometimes he would ask to borrow a friend's car just so he could feel safer. But then, Vegas starts showing up to his house and just sitting outside. She would just sit on the curb and stare at his house. This was not just one time. Vegas probably knew that this was scary, so she started showing up more, just sitting outside of his house and watching and sometimes circling and then sometimes just sitting on the lawn and then back on the curb. And everyone was seeing this. Remember, when Vegas is triggered, she doesn't care. She does not care who is seeing her bad behavior, who is seeing her just go completely off the rails. She wants what she wants and she's gonna let you know how she feels. And so, she starts showing up at his house and eventually, he's like, "Okay, okay, okay. I need to call the police again." And like, Victor doesn't want to keep calling the police, because he's probably embarrassed. Like, he feels like he's a big guy. He shouldn't be scared. Here's this little girl walking around his house. Okay, she's throwing eggs. But like, this is escalating. I mean, the moment that she cut his tires, that means she walked up to his house with a knife, okay? This episode is brought to you by Vonage. Have you figured out how to build more engaging customer and employee experiences while growing your bottom line? It's easier than you think. Vonage Fusion brings together your contact center, business communications, and CRM to streamline internal collaboration and improve overall customer experience. Learn more about the benefits of customer and employee communications and perfect harmony at Vonage.com. So, he calls the police again and they basically tell him the same thing. Well, we can't prove the other stuff that she did. And if she's just sitting outside of the house and she's on the curb across the street, she's not hurting anybody. So, we can't really do anything. And he hangs up and that's that. As I'm telling this, I cannot imagine how scared Victor was and how he felt like nobody would help him. He's just, he's a big guy, so he's got to do it himself. Well, things kind of change one day where he walks outside and Vegas is there again. After this time, the Vegas showed up at the house. He decided that it was time to move, but he stays in his apartment complex. Maybe it was from financial reasons. Maybe it was because his son was nearby and it was easy or something, but he gets out of there and he moves to a different one a little bit further away. So, even though he's still in the same complex and his car is there, he's feeling a little bit of safety because finally, Vegas is not sitting right outside of the apartment. Like, she might be in the complex like a couple streets down, but like, it would be terrifying knowing that your ex that you dated for like a month is just sitting outside waiting for you to come out. So, he finally gets a little bit of peace. Until one day, a jar of jam comes crashing through his window. It is a symbol from Vegas that she knows where he is. She was full on stalking him at this point. Full on. Asking people in the neighborhood, if they had seen Victor, if they knew anything, trying to talk to his roommates, looking for his car, watching where he was, just to see if she could find him. And eventually, she must have found him walking into the new apartment and that's when she threw the jar of jelly through. I think the other thing that is like so scary about this is like, that was her way of sending a message. Like, she's not calling him. She's not knocking on the door. She's not sending a text like just hemming peaceful in his apartment for once. And then this jar comes crashing through is a fucking moment, man. And this is when he calls the police again. And guess what? It's the same old story. Maybe you should file a restraining order, sir. Best of luck to you. At this point, he doesn't know what to do and he considers moving back to Chicago. But like, I told you guys earlier, he didn't because he wants to stay close to his son. I totally get that because being near your kid is so important. And there's also this feeling like, okay, I'm not gonna let this lady scare me away with eggs and keys and jars of jam. Like, no, I need to be here for my son. I'm not gonna be a deadbeat dad. Like, I'm sticking around and I'm gonna figure out what to do with this chick, no matter what. The issues persisted with them for weeks. But you know what? Some old habits die hard because in between Vegas's threats and rage and just general scariness, that sweetness would come through sometimes. That I miss you, that what are we doing? I love you. Why are we doing this? Hey, let's just get breakfast like old times. Let's just do this. Hey, let me just come over and Victor eventually gives in. There's a myriad of reasons why this could be. Maybe he had a sweet spot for her. Maybe he thought, okay, if maybe if I make peace with her and I give her the bare minimum, she'll move on. Or maybe he was so scared and so lonely and so abused by this woman that he got a little Stockholm syndrome from his abuser. I'm not sure. But whatever the case is, one evening, she convinces him, hey, let's just go out for drinks and talk this all over. They end up having a couple of drinks and it is just right back to the same old energy. They start hooking up again. Listen, if you are a cat owner, you know that you have to get in there every day and get that litter box clean. Otherwise, it's not gonna smell great. What if I told you I haven't scooped cat litter in almost two years? Because I have a litter robot. A litter robot is the solution to all of your litter box problems. I genuinely love it. Like, you know, when you have a cat, you're scooping poop every day. You don't think anything of it. It's just a part of your routine. 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So just kind of through the summer, she's showing up, harassing him, sending all these crazy messages. And really what Vegas wants is she wants to get back with him. She wants to be back together with him. You got to think about when he agrees to get these drinks with her and Vegas is mine. She's like, this is my chance. This is my chance to get him back. Like, bro, you know, she was tiny dress, makeup on, lotioned up, like fully shaved. She was like, this is my chance. So what I'm trying to say about this was she was laying it on thick. Like through all of this harassment, all she wants is Victor back. This is a goal oriented and targeted woman. And Victor is the prey. He has now been scared into submission, pushed out of his own home. And now he's being charmed and seduced by his abuser. And also in this story, I get it that Victor was a player and he was seeing all these women. A lot of us have been in the situation where a guy has screwed us over like this. But if you were in Vegas's situation and Victor didn't want to settle down and he broke up with you and he's seen all these girls, wouldn't you just fucking leave? Like, wouldn't you leave? Let me ask you this. Even if you resonate with some of her anger and jealousy and all of that, at what point would you have stopped? Reminding you, because I know some of you do not have an empathy cap right now. But for those of you that have been in a similar situation as Vegas and you do, let's start to turn it down a little bit here. So they rekindle. They're back on. And Vegas decides, perfect. And she goes to his apartment complex and talks to the landlord and says, I would like to get an apartment here. Yes, that's right. After a night of drinks and maybe a hookup or two, she goes to the apartment complex that he lives in and tries to get a lease. And hold on, I'm so sorry y'all. It's about to get crazier. The man has full blown Stockholm syndrome because when she goes to him and says, hey, I'm gonna get a lease in your apartment complex since he won't let me move in with you. Victor says, okay. And she says, also, I need a little bit of help with it. And he's like, okay, what do you need? And she's like, I need you to cosign for it. And he does. Dude, even if Victor is a person that is just being sucked into an abusive relationship through his past, you can't convince me there's not a little bit of Stockholm syndrome here. I really hope that you guys are seeing here. Like, Victor is a fucking victim, dude. He's a victim. I mean, of course, because he's the main person that we're focusing on in this story. But like, through all of this, this man is being controlled by fear, sex, manipulation, and honestly, her just constantly pestering him. She won't give it up. Like, as I'm going through this, I'm scared of Vegas. So he agreed to be the cosigner on her apartment, but it's not time for her moving yet. They're still hanging out. And Vegas wants to hang out all the time. She wants to be there every single night, if she can be. And every single night, she asks. So there's one night where she comes over, she spends the night, they hook up. It's a magical night for her because, remember, Victor is all she wants. This person is her son, her moon, her stars, her entire world revolves on whether Victor likes her or not that day. So she begins to try to get this lease going around late August, early September. And they kept this thing going for about a month. Like, Vegas has her foot in the door and she's really playing nice. So when Vegas is playing nice for extended periods of time, she's keeping that rage down because you know she has it. They can't go out in public. If a woman looks at Victor, she goes off the deep end and embarrasses herself and him. So every night, it's a constant game of is Victor going to let me come over tonight? Is he going to hang out with me? Are we going to do something? Onlying up to October 2012. When one night, Victor says, yeah, come on over. I mean, this is the only way that he can stop her from stalking him. And then the next morning, they wake up and she says, hey, babe, let's go get some breakfast. Let's go like, you know, let's go eat together. And he says, nah, I don't want to do that. I got stuff to do. How long are you saying? And she's like, you can have sex with me, but you can't eat with me. And Victor is just not having it. You know, he's just, hey, you know, we had our night together. Like, let's, you know, let's move it along now. And this really upsets her. Now, it's unknown if Vegas did her usual and went to rage texting him and threatening him after she left the house. But what I do know is she went home and she thought about it for a while. And she thought about it while staring at her 38 caliber gun. The only thing that happened this morning was he said he didn't want to get breakfast with her. But for her, she's like, well, are we together? Are we going to be together? You should want to get breakfast with me if I'm your girl, right? So now she's feeling like she's just to hook up and like he's pulling away and she can feel it and it scares her. She ends up leaving him this frantic voicemail where she's like, please don't leave me, please don't leave me, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please. And Victor was not answering, not texting back. Like rightfully so. Sometimes even if you're okay with somebody, you don't want to honor this type of behavior, you know? And so he just says, yo, leave me alone. This lack of communication fuels this fear of abandonment she has and she cannot handle it. So now enraged and feeling ignored, she shows up at his house and she decides that she will not be ignored anymore. And she is going to take matters into her own hands. He opens the door and Vegas is only at Victor's house for about 20 or 30 minutes. And then she ends up picking up the phone and calling her brother Santiago. And she says to him panicking, crying. She says, I love you. I love you so much. You know, I'm so sorry. She talks about taking her own life. And she really sounds out of control. And then she says something very disturbing to Santiago. She says, I think I shot Victor. Her brother who really cares about her is also panicking now. And he tells her, please, please, please call 911. He talks her off of the ledge about harming herself. And he says, Vegas, I need you to call 911. Call them and I'm here for you. So she does. She calls 911. She says on the phone to the operator that she needs someone over right away. She said, miss, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm not sure what happened, but he's not moving. He's not breathing. And then she also tells authorities that there's a gun next to him. So the police arrive on the scene, but would they arrive to the scene? They're expecting a possible suicide, maybe a gunshot, but it is a far more gruesome scene. Victor had been shot nine times. Victor had one shot to his abdomen, one to his lower chest, one to his left shoulder, one to his right hand, one to his back, one in his right chest, one in his shoulder. And then he had three hollow point bullets in his face. These are the type of bullets that expand on impact when they enter the body. And while the police are seeing this man who has been riddled with bullet holes, and they're not saying anything and just kind of examining the crime scene, Vegas is off to the side saying, I just got here. He must have shot himself. I don't know what happened. I'm so upset. You me and the cops know Victor did not shoot himself nine times. It's a ridiculous story. So they take her in. She voluntarily went to the police station, but you know, she starts talking and concocts this weird story. She says that she blacked out and she doesn't know what happened. Some details that she gave the investigators were very interesting. One, she says in this interrogation that Victor had actually unfriended her on Facebook this time. So that's probably why we got the voicemail and we got the panic like it was about to be done. She also told the investigators that when she went to Victor's house, she blacked out and the only thing she remembers are her ears ringing. This is a key to the investigators because it means she probably fired the gun. That's why her ears were ringing. Also, this is the interrogation where she finally opens up about being sexually abused when she was 12 and somebody not believing her. At this point in this interrogation, when I saw it, I don't think that Vegas was using this as an excuse. I don't think that she was trying to just get sympathy by it. I think that she was trying to comprehend why this happened and so she just mentioned something she never got to talk about. Next, she is on tape talking to police about how she has this other side of her. She says it's kind of like a superhero. She calls it baby Bray and baby Bray protects her. But baby Bray is really mean sometimes and the officer asked her, "Are you saying that you have a second personality inside of you?" And Vegas said, "I was thinking another part of me did it. She did it. I mean, it had to have been her." Whether you're making a delicious family meal or a post-workout snack, choose the farm fresh taste of Egglands best eggs. Only Egglands best hands are fed their proprietary all-vegetarian feed. That's what makes their eggs more nutritious. With 10 times more vitamin E, 25% less saturated fat, and 6 times more vitamin D compared to ordinary eggs. Egglands best, better taste, better nutrition, better eggs. Visit egglandsbest.com to learn more. To me, this is a woman that is just not in touch with her shadow. We all have this image of what we want to be and how we want to portray ourselves. But sometimes this shadow creeps out. It's our dark parts. It's our trauma. It's our unresolved trauma and our unresolved childhood pain. And it's almost like there's a little kid of you that was hurt at a certain age that sometimes comes online and that little kid is running the ship. I believe that for Vegas, there was a very hurt child inside of her that randomly would just take over and control the ship. But she sees these as two different people. These are not two different people. This is you. These are all parts of you. And that younger version of yourself needs to be taken care of. And those bad traits that they show, they want you to listen. Especially because a lot of times these little inner child versions of ourselves, they are screaming and doing bad things because they want the parent to listen. And bitch, you're the parent now. So if another version of you is stalking people, showing up at their house, sending them angry texts, threatening to kill them, then you need to do something with that inner child. This is not a split personality. It's you. To me, Vegas is fully responsible for this. And not only that, but the police go into her computer and they find some interesting things. A to-do list. And on the to-do list, it literally says, "Find Victor. Kill Victor." And underneath that was her plan that lines up with what she told her brother Santiago. Underneath it, says that she was going to kill herself. She also has a memo written on her phone that said, "He was so full of shit and lies." I said I was because this dumbass no longer exists. Goodbye, Victor. Sisa Sato. You stupid fucking ass bitch. That was like an actual note on her phone. There were multiple notes like this. Like she was sending him rage texts, but she was also writing rage notes on her phone. And all of these notes had dates on them that they were able to extract. A few days before the murder on October 5th, Vegas also wrote a memo on her cell phone specifically saying that she was obsessed with killing Victor. She wrote that it was all she could think about. Obviously, this is all candy for the prosecution because the murder is premeditated. This is not a split thing. This is not just a crime of passion in the moment. It was a planned murder from a woman that would not stop stalking her ex because she wanted him to love her. I implore you. I implore everyone to seek love that loves you back and not in a way that is just familiar to you, but in a way that makes you feel good and safe. That is not what either of them had. On October 16th, 2012, at 24 years old, Vegas Bray was taken in and charged with first degree murder. Now, despite this confession and these notes, things were not looking too bad for Vegas in the trial. You know, they were setting her up to claim some type of mental illness. She actually did get a court diagnosis here. And it said that she had depression and PTSD. PTSD nation that hasn't killed anybody, raise your hand. PTSD nation that is working on it and trying to control things like we applaud you. I'm not taking depression and PTSD as an insanity plea. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. Okay. But they dug into her a little bit. The media dug into her as well as her criminal defense attorneys. And it came up, you know, her only criminal record. She had a traffic violation in 2008. She had an arrest for theft in 2007 that she pled no contest to no violent crime. Also, you know, when Vegas is in court, she once again has that kind of sweet demeanor. She can kind of sit there and wait, you know, hands crossed over and she can speak kind of softly sometimes. And, you know, they are setting this up. Okay. And remember, Victor is six foot one and Vegas is five foot two. They are about to drag this man in the trial. She pleads not guilty to the charges. If she's convicted at first, she might serve 50 to life in prison. And so they are setting up for her to be, you know, this innocent girl, probably say Victor was a bad guy. He was doing all this stuff. And, you know, she just couldn't take it anymore. I mean, that's exactly what they're going to say in the trial. Leading up to the trial, you know, there was the arraignment and the prosecutor actually said that this case was, quote, the ultimate act of obsession. So, they're kind of laying their groundwork. But, you know, we're not in the trial yet until July 2013. But despite this image that they have curated for her, Vegas starts to have strange outbursts in the courtroom. Now, you remember I said that she doesn't care who's around or what's going on when she gets triggered? Well, there was a moment in the courtroom that somebody said something that upset her and she yelled, I'm not going down for something. I don't remember. I'm not going down for a murder that didn't even happen. I didn't know. I'm not doing this. I'm not, I'm not going down for something I didn't do. And if people can't tell the story straight, then this is probably why I'm here in the first place. Like, she's screaming this and like, freaking out in the courtroom. And then there's another instance where somebody takes the stand that was a friend of Victor and a Vegas and they are getting questioned about Vegas' history of jealousy. And so, this is one of the people that were like, oh, yeah, she couldn't stand people looking at him. She couldn't stand when Old Flings texted him. She couldn't stand Dominique. And Vegas could not stand to listen to this. And remember, she's already had some courtroom outbursts before. We're on another day in the trial. And now, while this witness is up on the stand, she gets so pissed and she stands up and she says, I'm not jealous. I'm not fucking jealous. I was never jealous. I was never jealous of those hoes. I never cared. I never cared. One, yes, you were. And two, the jury is seeing all this. This is not lining up with what the defense had planned for her. Sweet girl that was battered by this guy. Like, the attorneys are like, please, Vegas, please, please, please, just simmer down, sit down like we got this. Nope. She can't control herself, not even in the courtroom after she's murdered her ex-boyfriend. This girl is completely out of control. Also, reminder, guys, I do believe that she's super triggered. I do believe that she has PTSD. I mean, this is just so textbook, you know, it is not our fault that something bad happened to us. But if the defense mechanisms that we create to get through that event start to hurt others and hurt ourselves and it is obvious, it is now our responsibility to do something about it. I don't care if it's therapy, a self-help book, or just looking in the mirror and saying, damn, I shouldn't have sent that text. That was mean. We have a responsibility to take care of ourselves and the people we love. So yes, I do believe she was traumatized. I believe she was triggered. But fuck this. This is crazy. This is crazy. And you know who else was traumatized and triggered? Victor. Through all of this, this woman terrified him and then murdered him. Now, as the case became more public, there was a spotlight on the police negligence. The maternal grandmother of Victor's son, who was now six years old, she said the police didn't do a thing to help him. Now, this child has to grow up without a father in his life. This is the saddest thing when you wake up in the morning and you have to tell him that his daddy is never going to be picking him up again. Another indicator that Victor was really scared was when he tried to file a restraining order and he was told that he didn't have enough evidence. Instead, he got a life insurance policy. That is one of the saddest things I've heard in a case. This is somebody basically accepting that no one will help them and they might die. So let me take care of the people around me. At the trial, a lot of people spoke about their memories with Victor. Some of these that I thought were very cute. His ex fiancee said that he was someone that always liked to make people feel special. He always did it big. He was a super romantic and he never missed a day. He was somebody that always remembered the anniversary. He remembered Mother's Day, anniversary, brought all that stuff. Like, Victor actually, yo, y'all never meet a guy that remembers the day and wants to get you flowers? Like, shit, I don't even want any flowers, but the bar is on the floor at this point. So I'll take it. I'll take it. I just think that's so sweet. His mom said that he was basically just like a big kid, except for the fact that his son was his entire world. All he cared about was his kid. And I mean, that's evident in that he was willing to take out a life insurance policy rather than just moving to Chicago to try to get away from her. Like, he was like, I'm going to stay. I want to be here with my kid. And if something happens, I'm going to take care of him. Oh my god, dude. Uh, so that original trial where she was having these outbursts, there was a competency trial. And guess what? They said, yeah, she's fit to stand trial. And so the real trial begins. Vegas's team tried to argue that she suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and it caused her to be in an altered state of consciousness when she shot Victor. Shut the fuck up. This makes me so mad. I have been triggered so bad before that like the room is spinning. Like, when you get super PTSD triggered, I know exactly what it's like. It's like everything is gray and it's like a heat map for like whatever you're fucking pissed about. Okay, like picture that when she got super upset with Victor, it was like everything was gray and there was just this heat map on them and that that's all she saw that you can fix that. You can fix that and you know it's bad. I am not taking she was in an altered state. Like, how many of us watching this video have severe fucking PTSD? No, no, no, no, no. Sorry. Where's my gavel? The PTSD community is rejecting this. Goodbye. And I know some of y'all are watching this right now like, "Babos, how could you say that if I was in an altered state and I killed somebody or hurt somebody while I was triggered? Would you not forgive me?" No, bitch. I would send you to jail too. Especially if you was watching my videos and I told you to go work on that shit a minute ago and now you in jail. You know what? Run a sinister on this bitch. Sorry. This just gets me so heated because this was ridiculous to me. It makes me still mad. They argued that, yeah, she was in control of some actions like driving and getting from place to place, but they tried to say this was a rage state. Either way, the jury did not buy it and on November 15th, a jury convicted Vegas Bray, a first degree murder. They said that she personally and intentionally intended to cause harm to Victor in order to kill him. Here's another little interesting tidbit about the case. It was very difficult for her attorneys to argue that this was self-defense in some form because the gun that Vegas used only held six bullets. That means that she shot him six times and then reloaded the gun and shot him again. Vegas committed this crime when she was only 24 years old. Now at the time that I'm recording this video, she's 35 years old and she still resides at the Central California Women's Facility. But Vegas Bray will be eligible for parole on October 2036 when she's 48 years old. At your job, do you ever have to deal with a nose roller? How about a snub bully? Well, if you're installing a new conveyor belt system, dealing with the different components can sound like you're speaking a foreign language. Luckily, you've got a team ready to help. Granger's technical product specialists are fluent in maintenance, repair, and operations. So whenever you want to talk shop, just reach out. Call clickgranger.com or just stop buying. Granger, for the ones who get Get it done. 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When Vegas Bray’s relationship heated up with her Navy boyfriend, Victor Saucedo, the two
seemed inseparable. But when Victor decided it was time to break it off, Vegas’s desire to keep
him close created an obsession that would ultimately push her toward murder.
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