The Jordan Syatt Podcast

The Truth About Weight Loss Injections, Understanding Food Noise, Thoughts On "Thin Privilege…”

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In this episode of The Jordan Syatt Mini-Podcast, I shoot the breeze with my podcast producer, Tony, and have an in-depth conversation about food noise and weight loss injections.

We discuss:
- What I really think about "thin privilege"

- My personal experience with severe food noise

- The different levels of healthy eating from beginner to advanced

- Why "The Apple Test" is so effective

- The difference between fat burners and weight loss injections

- The relationship between addictive behavior and food

- My favorite pre-prepared meals

- The difference between having pets vs having kids

- And more...

Watch my YouTube episode about Food Noise HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLbvUgwlV0Q

Watch my YouTube episode about GLP-1's HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdiNjmoH4E

Watch my YouTube episode about my Big Mac Challenge HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yAMU6Y4Iro&t=8s

Watch my YouTube episode about losing weight while spiking my blood sugar every day HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CAI0jXtJH4&t=574s

Watch my YouTube episode about the Carnivore Diet HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSXaIEaXwS0&t=9s

Do you have any questions you want us to discuss on the podcast? Give Tony a follow and shoot him a DM on Instagram HERE: https://www.instagram.com/tone_reverie/

I hope you enjoy this episode and, if you do, please leave a review on iTunes (huge thank you to everyone who has written one so far).

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Duration:: 1h 11m
Broadcast on:: 03 Nov 2024
Audio Format:: other

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Get 10% off your first order. Merrick Health.com backslash sciet for 10% off your first order. I highly recommend it. With that said, let's get into the episode. What's up, Tony and Tony, it's been a few weeks. It's been a few weeks, man. What's your word of the day, bro? What's your word of the day? Familia family. All right. I like that. That's an easy one. I like that. For me, I'm going to do "totach" or "totach". So "totach", it's like some Hebrew slang. The actual literal translation is "canon". So it's like the canon, boom, the canon. But the slang would actually mean that it's like for someone you respect. So if you're like, "Oh, what a badass". Instead of saying, "Oh, what a badass", you'd be like, "Oh, what a canon. Oh, what a totach". Is it "totach"? What a canon is it? And if you're saying it to a woman, I think it's "totachit". So it's like "eze totachit". I like that. I feel like calling someone a canon is just like, "That's what's up". You know, that's a powerful phrase to give them. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. That's a good one. You had a good one today. My wife reminded me. She was, we were on our morning walk. She was like, "Do you have your word of the day?" I was like, "Fuck, I forgot." So we're back. We're back to that. My daughter was born. My second daughter was born. Yep. Yep. So I texted you about recording a podcast and you just sent back a picture of you holding your newborn daughter. And the look in your eyes, like you cannot fake that look. No, man. No, it's the best in the world. It's the best feeling in the world. It's just like it, like it truly is like the best feeling in the world. And I've told you before it's like when my first daughter was born, it was like I felt emotions I had never felt before. And it's the same thing all over again with the second one. So yeah, it's a blessing. We're glad. It was a much easier labor for my wife. The second time around, the first labor was 26 hours and like two hours of active pushing. And then this one was, it was eight hours with like 15 minutes or less of active pushing. So much, much, much easier. And then we were out of the hospital the next day, like stayed one night, left the next morning. We're good to go. So number three, it's going to be two hours with like five minutes pushing. It'd be great. Yeah. So we're holding off for a little bit. We've got our hands full. I mean, especially with Curtis, the dude is just an absolute donut. We're just trying to. It's basically like we've got three babies right now and one of them doesn't realize how fucking huge he is. He went from pounds to 70 pounds in a few months and he just bowls right over old Abe, just like, just, yeah. So we're going to hold off for a little bit. Well, huge congratulations. Thank you, brother. You and your family. That's amazing. Thank you. You're going to get to meet them when you come and visit. I know. I'm going to come and visit. The house is coming along. The house is coming along. The, so there's. I think we're at this point, right? There. Oh, dude, it's. I mean, the entire structure of the house is built. The walls are up like so it's in their clear individual rooms. Now they are now like doing like some of the design on the walls. They're putting in some of the cabinetry. And I think the main thing, like, I don't fully know how it works. But up until this point from when they started building until now, it's gone very fast. It's like, it's going nuts. Now they're starting to tell us it's going to look like it's slowing down because they're getting into the details of it like detailing on the walls, detailing on the ceilings, all that stuff. And then the appliances like the fridge and all that stuff won't go in until I think December or something. So, and I don't know when this podcast will live. This podcast will probably be live in like November, December. So all is good, man. Crazy, hectic, but everything is going going really well. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I, um, I never know what to talk about. With myself, man. I don't know that we talked about this on air, maybe, but I got kittens. Did we talk about this? Yeah, we spoke about it on air. And yeah. Yeah. So that's been just a joy. It's, it's really fun to just watch them and like, they fight each other. And it's like, I don't know. It's like really sweet too. You know, I don't know. Yeah. You told me on the phone yesterday how like, you'll just find yourself just spending time with them and just being present with them, which I love, because anything to get away from social media and just have present time with the people and the animals and the community that you have in person, I think, is so helpful. So I love that. That's a really good point. And I hadn't thought of it like that, but yeah, I could almost guarantee you that the amount of time I spent staring into my phone has decreased. Yeah. You know, because it's just hours a day that I'm just hanging out with the cats. So I love that. That's awesome. And they're getting bigger. Yeah, so fast. They feel like they're double the size from when we got them. We got them at nine weeks. And so they're, I don't know, four months now between three and four months. So yeah, happens fast. They look less like little kittens and more like tiny cats, if that makes sense. Yeah, it makes total sense. I feel like it's similar with humans. It was funny when my first daughter was born. Everyone kept saying, "Enjoy it. It goes by too fast. Enjoy it. It goes by too fast." And like, I got it. Like, I understood, but I also didn't. And so the thing is, I didn't realize how quickly it would go from the perspective of it got to a point in which, you know, every human is different. But with my first daughter, she's really independent. And like, she doesn't really, she'll only want to be held if, like, she's really sad. That's really the only time she wants to be held. Otherwise, like, she's like, "Don't touch me. Like, I'm doing my own thing." And I really want to, like, my wife and I, like, we just, we don't know a holder. You know, we don't want to hold her. But it got to a point relatively quickly where it's like, "Nope, she's just squirming. She wants to get out." And that came much more quickly than we anticipated. So with our second daughter, it's like, every time we hold her, we're like, "Oh, yeah." Like, "Yes." Like, we get to hold her, like, chest, like, chest on chest, skin on skin, just, "Oh, we get to hold her." Like, you get to, like, really enjoy it because you really only get to hold them at that size, like, one time, because every day they're changing size, ideally, right? So, it's like, you really, like, that's really the only chance you have to hold them at that size. And so I would imagine with the kittens, it's, you know, enjoy it because that time that you're holding them in that moment will be the only time that they'll be that size that you're going to get to hold them. So it's a whole new perspective. And for what it's worth while there are parallels between me and you. It's different. Obviously. Yeah. It's, I do want to say, I know that it's very different. It's funny. You Mitch, my videographer, says the same thing, like, because he's a cat guy. He's got a bunch of cats and like, he'll very regularly be like, "I know it's not the same." But like, and I appreciate it, but it's also like, it's okay. Like, it's still, I mean, I think my dog is way more difficult than both of my daughters combined. Like, animals are tough too. And I understand it's different. It's different, but still, like, there's animal love is real too, pet love is real too. They're part of the family. They're, they're very legitimately part of the family. Exactly. That's exactly right. Yeah. So obviously, it's different. Anyone who says it's the same as, it's different species. Of course, it's different. But also, they're, they're family. You know, if someone hurt my dog, they better fucking run. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me ask you one more question before we dive into the topic of the day. How's your back? You said you'd hurt your back? Oh, it's tweaked. It's really tweaked. Man. So, I'm trying to think of the entire timeline, but basically when at least, I mean, the hospital that my wife gives birth at two times now is wonderful. And they've treated her incredibly well. And everyone's been nice to me. But obviously, like the husband is like afterthought, generally speaking, it's like, and it makes sense. Husband should be afterthought. But the bed that the husband sleeps on is, dude, it's bad. Like it's really bad. And I think that's, do you think that's by design, by the way, so that the wife doesn't like, hate you. In a moment, like you're sneezing, you're like cuddled up with the pillows. That would actually be really funny to get like a behind the scenes like, all right, we can't make these beds too comfy. I would imagine just like a money saving technique as opposed to like, let's fuck with the dudes, but either way, it's bad, man. And it really fucked my back up. And so when I came back to the house and I was getting my workout in, it was stiff. Like it was stiff and it wasn't feeling good. And, you know, we have a newborn and a two year old and a puppy. And I'm like, I got to get this workout in quick. So then I start doing my training. And I did this like zercher deadlift where like your, your back is more rounded, but I only, I picked up 95 pounds. I usually do this with hundreds of pounds, not a big deal. And I just heard a, I heard a little pop in my back and I knew it, like it didn't hurt. It wasn't like, I didn't get my breath taken away. But when I heard it, I was like, fuck. And I finished the workout and throughout the workout, I could feel it slightly getting a little bit tighter. And then by the time I woke up the next morning, I was in real, real pain. I was like, motherfucker. And so then I reached out and I was like, Hey, doesn't even know if physical therapist, my insurance is just terrible. We have terrible insurance, self employed insurance is just the worst. And so I also wanted to get seen as quickly as possible. And I didn't want to have to leave the house because I just want to be here with my wife, my family. And so at least the physical therapy places I found, I had to go in there and they needed a referral from a doctor. And it's like, this is just a huge process. I'm going to see if I can bypass it. So one of the people that messaged me after I posted on social media about my back was a concierge physical therapist who literally goes to people's homes. They don't take insurance. So I am paying out of pocket, but my insurance sucks. Anyway, so I was probably going to pay out of pocket anyway. So she came over and she was amazing. Dude, like she's I've seen her twice now and she's going on vacation for two weeks. So she won't be over for about two weeks. But man, she did some manual work on me and everything. I think the biggest thing that made me really happy because I got on the phone with her before I agreed for her to come over, I wanted to get her thoughts. And there are many different schools of thoughts in physical therapy. And I know it changes all the time. One group of the physical therapy world that I have historically not been a fan of is the if something hurts, you immobilize it, you don't move it, you don't do anything with it. And to be fair, that seems to be a little bit more old school practice now, like more modern up-to-date practices don't agree with that. But I wanted to make sure and I told her what was going on. And I just wanted to get a feel for what her thoughts were, she's like, no, we want to get as much movement as we can, but pain-free movement. As soon as you get too pain, we want to avoid that. It's like great. Awesome. Come over. Let's get started. So she came over on Tuesday, today's Friday, she came over on Tuesday and Thursday. And she's been wonderful, man. She's been super helpful. Pain, like, I feel less pain. The worst is in the morning. Like the morning I wake up after lying down and being immobilized for a while, it just feels stiff. I go in the morning walk with my family and it immediately, like, during the walk, it's not the most comfortable. Once the walk is over and I'm warmed up, immediate pain reduction. So from, we'll call it like an eight when I first wake up. Oh, wow. So pretty bad, yeah. It's bad. It's bad to probably like a four after the walk. And it remains about a four until I do my workout, in which case, it'll probably go down to like a two because I really started to mobilize. Yeah, it's nuts. And then the rest of the day, it's at like a two or three. And then I go to sleep and like, I always go to sleep hopeful, because I'm like, oh, this feels great. And then I wake up and it's just, it feels bad in the morning again. So she thinks I have a bulging disc is what her assessment was. Yeah, she thinks I have a bulging disc. And this has been a thing ever since I was a competitive power lifter, deadlifted 530 pounds. Like you can't do that without having some issues. Fortunately, my back has been wonderful for a really long time. And she just thinks between the bad sleep, bad sleeping conditions and the and working out, trying to get through the workout quickly, not doing everything properly. Like that just sort of a perfect storm situation. So I'm taking off boxing, taking off your jiu-jitsu. I'm going to still work out, but do everything I can to work around it. And hopefully within six to eight weeks, I'll be back to where I should be. Okay. So a bulge disc will sort of calm down on its own or with with proper. That's what she said. Yeah. And well, we'll play it by ear, I think every situation is different, but she thinks it should be. I was worried about a fracture, like some type of a fracture in the spine or something. And she doesn't think that's it. I asked if I should get an MRI and I hate getting MRI is like, it's annoying. It's time-consuming. And very often, it doesn't really give you much of a treatment plan. It's more just like, this is what it is. And then the treatment plan would often be the same if not, or similar. And so she was like, I don't, her and I have very similar views, which was great for confirming my own biases. But we have very similar views and she was super smart. And so she's like, I don't think you need that. I think we should just go after this treatment plan for the next six to eight weeks and see how it feels. So yeah, I mean, it's really uncomfortable. It's not fun. But I don't know if you saw my Instagram story this morning, like my dog, my two year old, she demands that I run with her on my shoulders every day, her biggest thing, which is like, it's very difficult, but I've found a way to do it with minimal pain. So it's just, it's funny. Like the older she's getting in the more interactive she's getting and physical, she's getting the more I'm like, I'm so glad I'm physically fit. And it was funny because the physical therapist came over and she was like, do a total. She just wanted to assess my range. And in my mind, I have terrible range. And she was like, Oh, you're great. And she was like, I understand you're in pain. I understand like all that is relatively to most people, you're in a really good spot, which was also good to know all the work I've put in over the years. Like this is why I've done that because she's like, often I'll go into someone's home and she's like, I have to treat them on the floor because they can't get off the floor. And the fact that I can still run with my daughter and play with them and put her on the crib at night, all this stuff, it's like, she's like, I know that you're in pain. And for you, it's not good, but relative to where many people are, when they have an issue like this, it's great, which was a good perspective to have. Yeah, that's awesome. When you're training for years, I'm doing mobility training and strength training and getting movement in. And I think about it as like putting money in the bank, like you're putting money in the bank of your health. And when things happen, then you're going to be that much more resilient and bounce back faster. Because if you had been sedentary, never really worked out, never really had mobility. And then you had a back issue. Yeah, like, yeah, you're just starting from way further down. So it's like having an emergency fund of money, right? It's like, you have a major health issue. If you don't have an emergency fund, that could screw you up for the rest of your life financially. Whereas if you do have an emergency fund, and you have a lot of money saved, like absolute blessing, and you might be able to handle it. And really, like, it's not fun. You don't want to pay all that money, but your lifestyle isn't really affected. Like you can still recover from it. And I think it's a good way to look at it, where it's like, no matter what, I think injuries are inevitable in life, injuries are going to happen, whether you work out or you don't work out. But I think if you work out, you have a better chance of having a faster recovery and also minimizing the damage from those injuries. So they're going to happen no matter what you've just got to figure out. It's probably going to be more helpful to have a stronger base to work off of, have more money in the bank, like you said. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of emergency funds, I have financial noise as soon as you say that, just sipping around. Oh, no, I'm good. I'm just, you know, it's like, you always kind of wish you're in a better spot than you are, right? Health-wise, fitness-wise, money-wise, career-wise. I think it's always like, wouldn't it be great if I was like, further down that path that I'm going towards? But really, I brought it up as like a segue to Food Noise, which is a topic of the day. Let's go. So yeah, we were doing a podcast a while back, and you were like, oh, I just did a YouTube on Food Noise and GL1Ps, and we needed GLP ones. And we need to do a podcast episode about that. So let's do it. Yeah. I checked out the videos. I am now much more informed than I was, even though I didn't say the word correctly. [laughter] As not evidenced by my command of the language, but I think to start for those of us that haven't seen the YouTubes yet, which you should go watch and we'll put a link in the show notes to both of those episodes. Why don't you tell us what is Food Noise and why is this an important topic? I actually have an idea. Before I do that, I want to hear your thoughts on it. What did you learn, or what was surprising, or give me your thoughts on it, and then I'll give my thoughts. So Food Noise is not something I've ever named in my mind as such, but it's something that I'm definitely familiar with. So as soon as you started talking about Food Noise, I was like, "Oh, yeah. It's that chatter in the back of your mind that kind of fixation or craving or just underlying discomfort around food. I kind of want some." And it's just there when you're at work, when you're driving, when you're stressed, when you're not. It's just kind of this latent voice that's talking to you. That's kind of how I pictured it. For me, it manifests as like, I might get a little more stressed or a little irritable or something like that. And it's not that I'm thinking about Cheetos. It's just like I'm kind of not quite myself when I get into those kind of modes. So that was a very relatable concept to me to start. What is Food Noise? It's that voice in your head. Let me add to that. I'm glad we started with this. So what I'll add to that is Food Noise is a spectrum. And so you sort of portrayed it as what it's like for you, that little chatter in the background. For some people, Food Noise would be like, imagine someone screaming in your fucking face all day. Like for someone who has a really bad food noise, all they're thinking about is food all day, every day. And it's like the entire day, you have something screaming in your face, whereas you can't help but think about it because they're screaming in your face. For other people, it's like barely a whisper occasionally throughout the day. It's like maybe they walk by a vending machine and they see the big Texas cinnamon bun roll and like, ooh, that would be nice. But then they just keep moving. And boom, that's it. That's the little bit of Food Noise. There's a huge spectrum that you could have within this Food Noise. And going to financial noise, if someone is really struggling with their finances, someone is really struggling with money, then any purchase, even just the mention of money, all of a sudden, like, a little bit fear, a little bit of anxiety. Can I afford this? What am I going to have to give up as a result of buying this? You have your friends talking about going on a vacation. Oh my gosh, I don't think I can do a vacation. I can't get any time off work. I don't have the money to do this. Whereas you have someone who has unlimited financial resources, it's irrelevant. It's like, yeah, I don't care. Like any purchase is not a big deal. Maybe buying a yacht. They're like, should I get this? I don't know. But like their financial noise only comes out in extreme situations. Whereas some people's food noise might only come out in extreme situations. Whereas some people have financial noise when they're buying a stick of gum. Some people have food noise from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed. There is a massive spectrum, both in terms of frequency as well as intensity. And I think the crazy thing about it is, or one of the crazy things about it is you can't tell what someone's food noise is like by looking at them, right? You can't tell. And this is for whatever it's worth. This is one of the reasons I hate when people say something like thin privilege or skinny privilege type stuff. The whole concept of the privilege discussion, and we could get into that if we wanted to. But when you just look at, oh, they've got thin privilege. It's like, you have no idea if that person is only thin because they've got severe anorexia, they've got severe disordered eating habits. You don't know what's going on in their brain. So you might say, oh, they've got thin privilege. It's like, but what is causing them to be there right now? They might have something screaming in their fucking face all day every day. They might have extreme fear around food. They might have like the worst relationship with food you could ever imagine, but you're judging them by how they look, which is ironic. A lot of the people who say, like, oh, you have thin privilege are the first people to say, don't judge me by how I look. And so sort of a roundabout discussion and a tangent there, but either way, you can't tell if someone has financial noise or someone has food noise based on how they look. You have and this is the whole concept of you don't ever know what battles someone is fighting on the inside. So that's what it is. And it's just understanding it's a big spectrum and it changes person to person. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for clarifying that point. And I'm sure it changes from person to person over different stages of their life as well. Yes, absolutely. A hundred percent. It's a great point. I guess, I mean, even for me, when I haven't binged since I was 21 or something and I'm 33 now, when I was going through the throes of binge eating, what I'm saying, there's someone screaming in your face about food all day. That's, I'm talking about what it was like for me. Yeah. That's how, like all day, every day, I remember sitting in the library at the University of Delaware and I was having severe binge eating and severe food issues. And my buddy Kyle came to sit next to me in the library. And at the library, they had this little cafe that would sell these like banana nut muffins. And these banana nut muffins, they had the calories next to them and they were like 800 calories or something. And I always wanted one of these banana nut muffins. I always wanted one, but I was like, it's 800 calories. That's like half of my daily calories, like right there. And I remember sitting there as Kyle was eating a banana nut muffin. Just, there was so much going on in my head at one time, number one being like jealous that he was eating it. And also at the same time, wondering how can he possibly eat this, knowing how many calories it is, like how is that not sending him into a fit of panic or worry. And also the other voices in my head being like, just eat it. It's just, it's just one muffin. It's not a big deal. Like I had all these conversations, all these food noise going on in my head all at one time. Well, I'm trying to have a fucking conversation with Kyle without him knowing that I'm having these issues in my head. And yeah, man, it's, uh, I'm speaking from like actual experience of going through all this. So, and now my food noise is, it's not gone. I don't, I don't know if anyone ever has it fully gone, but it's, it's minimal. It's, I have a very healthy relationship with food. Now it's, if I'm hungry, I eat, if I'm not hungry, I don't eat unless I just feel like boredom snacking or something, which like before would have been an issue. And I was like, yeah, I know I'm bored. I'm just gonna snack because I fucking want to not a big deal. Yeah, I find with boredom snacking, not having the stuff that you're going to like feel bad about having eaten too much of later around as available is the strategy that helps me. Cause it's like, you know, it's like, if I had Cheetos in the cabinet and I bored snack, like, dude, I could, one of those big bags, like I could, I could, I could do damage. But yeah, it's like if I just have like cashews or something or just like for me, something that like I can just grab a handful of and then not feel like I'm way off track with. That's the strategy that I've found helps. Yeah, I think there, there's like a progression to it that I've found in the same way that there are exercise progressions. Like you don't start someone off with a brand new beginner to the gym. You don't start them off with deficit, deadlifts versus bands, right? It's like, I think the first progression is get it out of the house. It's the first progression. I think in the same way that intuitive eating is that's like the ultimate advanced form of eating to get to a point where you can intuitively know, but that's like the ultimate advance. It's like the highest level. That's like you're beating the final boss type thing. I think starting with get it out of the house, get it away so you don't even have the option or at the very least you have a greater distance from making it an option. You could get in your car and you could go or like if you live in a city, you walk outside your apartment, you walk across the street and like it's there, but generally out of the house, out of the apartment makes it much more difficult to get that thing, which is super helpful. That's, man, if people have followed me since like 2015, 2016, 2017, they'll know like even at that point in my career, like if I had pretzels in my apartment, bro gone, whole bag, 2015, 2016, yeah, maybe 2017. If I had pretzels in my apartment, whole bag was gone. Like easy. It's just the salty crunchy. Yeah, I love the crunch. I love this. It's like, and I'm a savory guy. Like I pretzels are my like, bro, you are a savory guy. Now we've got pretzels, we've got popcorn, we've got all that stuff here and like, I don't think about it. I shouldn't say don't think about it. I can look at it and I'd be like, nah, whatever, not a big deal. It's not like, but it's taken me literally a decade to get to that point where it's like, I can look at it and not a big deal. For me, if I'm feeling snacky, at this point, I can just pour it in a bowl and have that and I'm good. If I'm in a point, and that's where if I'm trying to maintain my weight, if I'm like actually trying to lose weight and I'm like, hey, I'm feeling snacky, my first move is because we have the stuff in the house, I'm not going to get right out of the house at this point, but my first move is eat something else first. And so whether like for me, it's usually an apple because we just have apples year round. If it's the summertime or like, we'll have watermelon or something like that. Apples or watermelon for me. It's like, I'll have that first. And usually once I have that, I'm good. I actually didn't want the other thing. So that, that I think is a next progression where once you get to the point, like, Hey, I want to have it in the house, I want to like be able to have it here without going nuts on it, make sure you have something else that you can have first. And so oftentimes just having that, I've called this the apple test where it's like, if you don't know if you're hungry or just bored, are you hungry enough to eat an apple? If you're not hungry enough to eat an apple, then you're not hungry. And so what if I don't like apples, then do a different fucking fruit. I don't care. Kiwi, cherries, plums, orange, whatever. Are you hungry enough to eat a fruit that you like? If you're not hungry enough to eat that fruit, you're not really hungry. Right. You're craving something else not hunger. Correct. Exactly. So, but that helps me a lot even now where it's like, all right, I want the popcorn. I want the pretzels. First, let me have an apple and sometimes a lot of the apple would be like, yep, still want the pretzels. Cool. And then I'll have them. But like, very often I'll have the apple. I'll be like, yeah, that's it. I'm full. I don't want anything else. I'm good. And it's helpful to have a food that is very filling. So on the satiety index, apples and oranges and watermelon are super filling for the amount of calories. So it's nice to have something that's actually very filling, whereas if you have something that is not filling, then it's going to be much more easily like, all right, well, I ate that. And now I also want the pretzels or whatever it is as well. Yeah, I know. I know cashews are very dense. Like they are pretty high calorie for what they are. But I find them very filling. So that's like, that works for me. That's perfect. And knowing that it's that works for you, because many people would say that'd be a bad choice. But for you to know yourself, like, no, these are actually really filling and you don't have a pound of them. You have probably a handful of them. They are good, which is like, it's only like, what, 150, 200 calories for a small handful? Like, that's nothing. Great. You had a dude cashews are, by the way, the most tasty nut. I agree. They're your favorite nut. It does depend on the mood. But yeah, I mean, cashews are probably like, given if I could only have one nut, if I was going to be on, if I could only have one, it would be a cashew, right? We are, we are perfectly aligned on this one. Really? I know sometimes we're on the opposite sides of these, but I find common cause with you on cashews. Yeah. So this is good. I mean, I also love pistachios. Yes, pistachios are great. I love pistachios. And I really like, when they season them, like spicy pistachios, like habanero or whatever, like those are amazing. But that wouldn't be my nut of choice if I could only have one for the rest of my life. Yeah. Once you end the seasoning, I think a lot of things can, like, I don't love almonds, but they're like candied almonds or like, oh, yeah. And it's just like, dude, those are, those are amazing. Yeah. That's because it's not the whole man. I'm like, it's all right. Yeah. It's okay. I have it for the health benefits, not be like, not because I enjoy it. It's, almonds are like cardboard. It's like, it's just a vehicle for whatever you're going to put on it, right? It's like, I could put cinnamon and sugar, I could candy cardboard, and all of a sudden the cardboard would taste really good. You know, like the best part of the almond is the crunch with the seasoning on top of it. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm starting to get a little hungry now. I'm starting in the back of my mind. I'm like, what am I going to have for lunch after this podcast? What are you going to have for lunch? I don't know. Okay. Dude, did we talk about the meals that I had, like the pre-prepared meals that I got from my house? Did we talk about how I didn't like them? No. So actually, this is great. We were going to talk about it once you ordered them because you were going to test some and like figure that out. Do you want to do that now or do you want to do that? Yeah. So I've tried two different companies. Okay. The first company we tried only because it was the most recommended company. Like I got hundreds if not thousands, probably thousands of people. High hundreds if not over a thousand people saying this company is great and I didn't like it at all. I didn't like and this company is also like they are advertising constantly. Like I see this company advertising everywhere. And I want to tell me the name in the chat. Or do I have to stop? I'm wondering if I should tell people because I want to tell them, you know what? Here, I won't say the name of the company that I didn't like. I will say the name of the company that we do like. Okay. So the first one, not a big fan of it at all. What didn't you like though? So I'll tell you what we didn't like. We didn't like that. It was the food was really dry. It was dry. The portions of the vegetables were tiny. Like really tiny and they didn't put much thought or care into the vegetables. It didn't seem like it was their thought and care was really into the main protein portion, which is fine. But it just it wasn't especially for all the hype it had behind it. I was like, these really suck. It was not. It was way over hyped. So then I got in this place. I was like, man, maybe just these pre-prepared meals are just not going to be good. Like if this is the most recommended one, this is not good. And we were like, you know what? Let's try a different one and we wanted to have some meals around so my wife wouldn't feel like she needed to cook, especially immediately postpartum. I was like, I want to have stuff and we didn't want to be ordering out. So we ordered from another company. This company, dude, and no sponsorship. They don't know that I ordered from them. I would love to be sponsored by them. I love these meals. Dude, the portion sizes are amazing. They're moist and they're flavorful. All of the meals we've gotten have been between 400 to 500 calories, between like 25 to 35 grams of protein, good amounts of fiber. I don't want to say delicious because I feel like delicious is a word you should really say for something that's like, like, but these are really, really good, like very good meals and not just the macros, but the actual taste of them and the servings of the vegetables are good portions of vegetables, which help fill you up more. They put effort into creating the taste of the vegetables. So we're going to continue ordering from them because they've just been phenomenal so far. We've done two orders now. It's called catered fit. C-A-T-E-R-E-D catered fit. They're amazing. And we looked at their Instagram last night. It looks like they might have bought followers just because their engagement is really weird, which for a lot of businesses by followers because people are, they have like 100K, but no one is liking or commenting on any of their posts. Either way, I understand when business, I get it. I don't support it and I don't do it, but I get it. Either way, the actual substance of their business of the foods, bro, I'm blown away. And as of right now, I'm a huge fan. If I don't like it in the future, I'll be happy to say it. But man, huge fan. Yeah, I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll do it. If it's up there with my favorite one too, so that we can compare notes. What's your favorite one? Well, do we talk about vertical diet? Stan Efforting? Yeah. Bro, I love Stan Efforting and I really like the vertical diet. Does he have a food company? Yeah, so there's a food company that I was ordering a lot of during the pandemic times because I had started right before and then it was just so convenient because going to the grocery store was weird, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's probably, for me, I think it's tailored towards kind of a male palette and that's like a weird thing to say out loud as I'm saying it, but like it's just kind of like, you know, they have like the ground like meats or whatever, like mixing with the rice and it feels somewhat utilitarian, but I also felt like it was very delicious, not delicious, but very good like not like a fine dining, but I would really enjoy and look forward to the meals. I thought the macros were great, the protein was great. Like when you were describing all those things, I was like, hmm, I wonder if he took my recommendation. So so yeah, I'd be curious. I need to try that because I love stand-efforting. I'm a huge fan of stand-efforting. I think he's he stands out in this industry as one of the most stand-up, most genuine and most focused on the things that are the right things to be focused on, and especially from someone like, you know, he's huge, like the dude's massive, right? Like he's, I think talking about like judging a book by its cover, I think many people would look at him and be like, this guy has just a meat head, like, but he's insanely smart. He's focused on health. He's focused on perform. Like I, I really like stand-efforting a lot and I've learned a lot from him over the years. So I need to check out the vertical diet because I had, I like his approach, but I didn't know he had the food service. I need to check that out. Yeah, part of what I remember when he was talking about it back when I was looking into this, it was like, how do we, his problem to solve was like, how do we get enough nutrition to these bodybuilders who are like trying to like stay lean, but also they need to eat a lot to sustain their strength training? Like, how do we get them to be able to do this without having digestive issues was literally like the problem he was trying to solve because he was like, these guys eat all this stuff, and then their stomachs are just shit and it's like really uncomfortable and he's like, so what, what can we do to make this better? And part of it was like getting all your fibers and like really small kind of like diced up vegetables. So it's just like easier to digest. Like everything's kind of like cut up in a really small bits and mixed together and that's like supposedly easier to digest. That's true. Yeah. Now I don't think I'm gonna like it. I like really chewing my food. Like I don't like you know what I mean? Like I like everything. You know, it's got like the stuff in it. I don't know. Anyways, everybody's different, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, I like the big vegetables, like the, whether it's the broccoli or the Brussels sprouts or whatever, like I like chewing it, and I think that's, yeah. This is what I said. It's kind of utilitarian. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That yeah, now that makes a lot of sense. I'll also give it a shot and I'll check it out because I want to support him in any way I can. But yeah, that's that's very interesting. Okay, cool. Makes total sense. So let's let's bring it back to food noise. And for this last portion of the podcast, I did kind of want to go to GLP ones. You've got a YouTube episode that just kind of breaks it down very simply. Again, I think people should check it out if they haven't already. What is the difference? So these are fat loss drugs or weight loss drugs. What's the difference between a GLP one and a fat burner, which is also marketed as a weight loss drug? So you mean like a fat burner, like supplement? Yeah, that doesn't work. That's not real. That's that's anything market is a fat burner that you could buy from a supplement company does not work. And I mean, think about it. How many times have you or someone you know bought something called a fat burner and then been like, Oh, wow, I got a six pack from taking his pill. Oh, wow, this is all I need to take. Like, no, that's and usually, especially in like the supplement company stores, they'll have it behind the glass case that's all locked up and the fucking person's got to go back there and unlock the case. Oh, yeah, this is our super potent powerful fat burner triple X bullfrog. Well, like, it's like, all right, those don't work. They don't work. Usually they have a lot of different things in them, like caffeine and various things that are thermogenics that are designed to increase your metabolism. But they're mild at best. Oftentimes, they end up giving you heart palpitations, anxiety, and they don't actually increase from metabolism significantly enough to cause a massive or any any substantial progress because you can overeat still very easily. The main difference with the GLP one is like, this is like, it's real, like it actually works. I would say it's, and I spoke about this a little bit in that YouTube video, but there are supplements that are marketed in stores to make you more insulin sensitive, right? Like, oh, yeah, we have these supplements that increase your insulin sensitivity, but they're not actually selling you insulin. They're not selling straight up insulin, which is, thank God, they're not doing that. It could be really dangerous. People who are diabetics, like type one diabetics or type two diabetics, like they have issues with their insulin. And so they can actually inject insulin into their body in order to help them either because they're insulin resistant, right? Or they're just not producing enough insulin. GLP ones can be thought of in a similar way, not the same, but in a similar way in which someone who is really struggling with their weight and they're severely overweight, they might be GLP one resistant and or they might not be producing enough GLP one. And so you can actually inject GLP one, which will help your body have more and ideally over time become more sensitive to it and help you get enough. Now, one of the main aspects of GLP ones is that they can help control your hunger. And so if someone is not producing enough GLP one or if they're not GLP one sensitive, if they're resistant to it, then their hunger might be significantly more than someone who is GLP one sensitive or who is producing enough GLP one. So the main difference is that GLP ones actually work. They legitimately work and they're attacking something physiologically that actually will make a difference, whereas the fat burners, it's marketing. And that's the difference. That's why you can't buy GLP ones in a supplement store. You need a doctor to recommend it. Most of the things in a supplement store are nonsense. There are a small percentage of things that can help and might be worthwhile, but the vast majority of it is just marketing. Yeah. So there's also a class of, I imagine, supplements that are appetite-suppressant. And so that seems like it's closer to what a GLP one might be doing. Yes. Correct. Are all the pitfalls kind of the same, though, just on... It's usually the ones with appetite-suppression are usually caffeine-based. It's usually caffeine-based, which is like you could get the exact same thing from coffee, right? It's usually, and there are often other things as well, but it's a base of caffeine, which is an appetite-suppressant and a thermogenic. And it's great. It can help. If you're in a fat loss phase, caffeine can help, for sure. It can help you reduce your hunger and increase your energy. I think anyone with two brain cells shrub together knows that, but it's very different. The other aspect of GLP one that I think is, for me, probably the most interesting is the impact that it can have on impulsive behavior. And what they've found, and there still needs to be to do a lot more research on this, but GLP ones have been shown to help people stop gambling, help stop addictive behavioral tendencies, whether it's gambling. You could also look at behavioral substances, whether it's alcohol or smoking, but for me, gambling was. That was the one that really stuck out because gambling, to me, is the most similar to food, right? Where it's like alcohol and cigarettes have addictive chemicals. There's a physiological element, yeah. The other one would be sex, sex addiction, right? There's like a, and they're been shown, like, it can help with that as well. Sex addiction, gambling addiction, they're real addictions. Food, like, people say they're addicted to sugar, and no, like, sugar is not an addictive substance. It's not. You can have addictive behaviors around food, but the food itself is not addictive. Same thing with gambling, same thing with sex. It's not that, in and of itself, it's addicting. It's your behaviors around it can become addicting. And so that, to me, has been the most interesting that I'm most excited for in research to come around people who might not have issues with weight, but do have issues around impulsive behaviors or addictive behaviors with things like gambling, sex, etc., have noticed improvements from GLP wants, which I haven't been this excited and this interested about research in a long time, because this is, in my mind, the first thing that's come out in a while that could have real positive implications for a huge percentage of the population in so many different areas. I mean, think about how many people whose lives are ruined from gambling, whose lives are ruined from sex addiction, whose lives are ruined from food addiction, and to have a drug, to have a medical intervention. It's funny. Medical intervention in drugs, like, people have two different reactions to those two different words, even though they often mean the same thing. To have a medical intervention that can help that is like, it's extraordinary in so many ways. So it's not just, it does help reduce appetite, but it can also, there could be a mechanism there to help reduce impulsive behavior. So that, to me, is what's really exciting about it. And one of the reasons why I think it can be so helpful, and it's one of the reasons why it, to say it's annoying is a massive understatement. People say like, oh, you know, just just eat less. It's like, well, if you've got this combination of insane food noise and you have addictive behaviors around food, it's like, you wouldn't tell someone who's addicted to gambling. We'll just gamble less. Right? You wouldn't say that. You understand that there are real, like, addictive behaviors around this. People lose their entire lives to gambling. Like my grandfather being one of them, lose their entire lives, lose your homes, lose your families, never mind potentially being killed. Like people lose their entire lives to gambling. And it's not an addictive substance, like alcohol or nicotine. It's an addictive, but the behaviors around it can be very addictive. So to have this intervention, to me is just like, it's the pinnacle of science. It's the pinnacle of like, we're here to try and help each other get better. So yeah, when you wouldn't tell someone just gamble less, the idea of just trying someone who will just eat less, you're completely overlooking the internal struggles that they're having that are often beyond their current control. And we can help them gain control of it through medical interventions. Yeah. Yeah, no, it sounds like there's a lot of upside and exciting things going on with it. There's also side effects, you also need to get it prescribed right by a doctor. So, and you talk about that in the episode of the YouTube and the show notes. So how would someone know if this is something that they should potentially be looking into? Like, because I think a lot of people have various struggles with diet and weight and, you know, feeling their best, what are some signs that like, hey, this is maybe something I should look into versus maybe this is something that I don't need to look into. The first thing I would say is if you were severely overweight, and then the next question is, well, what's severe? I would say, and I wouldn't say being 50 pounds overweight is severe, inherently, but I would say like, that's when I would really start saying, okay, maybe this is worthwhile to start looking into. I'm not a huge fan of it for people who want to lose 5, 10, 15 pounds. And candidly, like saying I'm not a huge fan is putting it mildly. I don't think if you've got if you're just doing it for mild aesthetic purposes for mild weight loss, I really don't think it's a good idea. And I don't think that the risks are worth it. I would rather you want to lose 15 pounds and always have that extra 15 pounds than taking the GLP ones and risk the, we don't know fully the long-term consequences of them yet. We don't know. There's still a lot coming out. And so maybe my tune will change in 20 or 30 years. And it might say like, maybe research comes out long term. And I might say, you know what, you want to lose 15 pounds? Great. Like the side effects look like it's minimal like at best. Like there's there's really no, or we, I can 20 or 30 years, I could be like, thank God, that's what I said. And people didn't take it because we're finding out that there are real, real, real negative health consequences for people who are taking it, who didn't really need it. The, the struggle is we know that being severely overweight is one of the, if not the greatest risk factor for an early death, heart disease, strokes, cancers, like so many issues from being severely overweight. So for me, it's a no brainer. It's like, we need to do what we need to do to get that extra excess weight off. In addition to that, at the same time, improving their food habits, it's not just get the weight off, but also improve their relationship with food, food education. This for me is one of the biggest issues I've seen with things like with gastric bypass, where many people will get it, but they don't learn how to eat properly. So then they end up gaining the weight back. So yes, ideally, in my mind, get on a GLP one, if you're very, very overweight, lose the weight, and then if we can get you off of the GLP one, and then have changed your behaviors around food so that you can now, even if you gain back a little bit of weight, that's fine, but not get back to where you were before and also not stay on it long term. Now, I will say as of right now, if someone is on it long term, and that's preventing you from gaining back 50, 100 pounds, great. That's better that in my mind, that's better than getting off of it and gaining that weight back. Like the current risk factors, I would rather you stay on it. But in my ideal world is if you're very overweight, you get on it, we lose the weight simultaneously, educate you, have real lifestyle interventions, change your relationship with food so that you can get off of it. If you gain a little bit of fat back, that's fine, but not enough to where it's causing serious health issues. There are other aspects as well, like there are some people, a relatively small percentage, but some people who experience severe negative side effects from the GLP ones. And there are different ones, there are different GLP ones you could take, there are different dosages you could take, and I would encourage you to speak with your doctor to learn more about them, what your options are. But if you're one of the people that is no matter what you take, no matter what dosage, it's negatively affecting your life and get off. But if you're a very, very, very overweight, then you've got to figure out how can I get this weight off? Because that weight is the number one major issue. And it might not seem like an issue now, whether 20s, 30s, 40s, or maybe even 50s. But one day it's going to come and bite you in the ass and you've got to figure out how do we fucking fix this. Maybe it's going to get a meal service, whether it's catered fit or the vertical diet, getting a meal service. Hey, I have these prepared, ready to go. Having a couple of meals a day from that could be super, super helpful, making sure you're getting your steps in all the things I normally talk about. But the major thing is if you're very overweight and it's negatively affecting your health, physical, mental, emotional, all of that, one of it, whatever it is, it's worth considering and speaking with your doctor. Yeah. And I think it's easy to get to focus on one thing that's going to be like the magic bullet that's going to change your life. Like, oh, if I just do strength training, if I just do this diet, if I just do GLP ones, then I'll be great. It'll all be solved. And I think for better or for worse, it's more complicated than that, right? It's like you kind of have to keep a lot of variables in mind. You got to sleep well, you got to hydrate, you got to have a social life, you got to have a stable income. There's a lot of things that factor into health and happiness. So, you know, don't just do the one thing and think it's going to solve all your problems, do it and let it help you solve for all those other things as well. Super well said, super well said, man. Do you have any other thoughts on food noise or GLP ones? Maybe that you didn't touch on in the YouTubes or in this episode? Man, so one thing I'm thinking of doing, so you know how I did the Big Mac challenge in 2019. And I ate a Big Mac every day. We can put the video link in the show notes for people who didn't see it just to show people you could eat the foods you enjoy. Still, there's weight. Last year, I did the, I spike my blood sugar every day and I still lost weight. You can put the link to that video in the show notes. I did the carnivore diet in like 2020 just to show people. I like to have experiments. I like to do experiments and when people are doing things, I like to try them. Not just for them to learn about it, but also I learn about it. It gives me more knowledge and it gives me more experience. It's one thing to read about it and to study it. It's nothing to actually do it. I'm thinking about trying a GLP one just so I can experience it and then better relay, better relay my experience to people. What do you think about that? So my first thought was what you were saying earlier about like, if you're just trying to do the last five pounds, you know, I wonder if you don't have that food noise the same way you used to. If you'll have the same experience as someone that is taking it and they're really somewhat screaming in their face every day about it. So I wonder about that. I think in terms of like side effects and stuff, you know, that's a valid anecdotal experience, right? But yeah, that's just the first thought that came to my mind. Yeah. So for me, I don't care about losing the last five, 10, 15 pounds. I don't give a shit. I really just like, I wore a continuous glucose monitor for 30 days and at the end of 30 days, I threw it away because I'm, I don't want to do this, right? I just want to learn more about it. One thing I'm really interested in because I don't have food noise like I used to have. So I think that would be different. It would be interesting to see like what changes I'm interested about coming off of it. So I do it for 30 days, whatever it is. And then because a lot of the hate against the GOP ones or what happens when you come off, you gain the weight back, dah, dah, dah, dah. I'm interested to see. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm interested to see, take it for 30 days or whatever the timeframe is. And then I say, and then I'm like, okay, now I'm off. Does the weight come right back on? Did I lose weight to begin with? Because some people, they don't, some people, it doesn't make that big of a difference. Did I lose weight? Does the weight come right back on? Do I notice differences in impulsiveness and impulsive behavior? I like, I just like testing this out. So I'm thinking about doing it. And I think it would make, I think it would make for an interesting conversation at the very least. But that is something I've been, I've been playing with in my mind. And I, I'm thinking I'm going to give it a shot. Do you think it's worth doing it to time with a mini cut? No, I don't like doing that. Actually, I shouldn't say that. So I don't know why I said that. So I should analyze why I was so quick to say no. I don't, when I do a mini cut deliberately, it here, here's what I think. When I do this, I would imagine I'm going to lose weight, just naturally. I don't want to do a mini cut here. And then be like, Oh, look, like, because anytime I've done a mini cut in the past, I've never used them before. I've just done it, quote unquote, naturally. This time, if I did it as a mini cut, I think people, there are people who are like, Oh, you're cheating. I don't want to treat this as like a normal mini cut. I sort of just want to treat this as an experiment of I'm going to live my life normally, as I normally would. But with this supplement, or with this medication, and see how it impacts my life, does that make sense? So rather than saying I'm going to deliberately try and lose weight, I'm going to just add this into my life and see if my normal changes. Because right now my normal is like a higher body fat than if I was in a cut. So I wonder if what my what my normal would be if I was taking that medication? Does that make sense? Yeah, what's the term for that? You have like a set weight that your body kind of likes to set points. Yeah, set point. Yeah. Yeah. So I wonder if I wonder if that would change. I'm interested. It's just like, I'm interested in the experiment idea. I think some people would be like, don't do that and sort of in the same way, I was like, well, hold on, let's analyze why I just had that gut reaction to that question, analyze why people would have that. I just think it would be interesting to like, do it for 30 days and then see what happens. So but it's a hormone, right? Like it's interesting a hormone that your body would otherwise normally produce. Yep. Correct. So would you do the same thing with a steroid? Yeah. Yes. Well, now you've got two episodes to do. Not now, not with steroids now because I want to have more kids gut-willing and like the their fertility and potential issues with that. So but when I'm older and for sure, like this is, this is what I love to do. Like I love doing these experiments and I love learning from it. I would have, I mean, the main issue now would be kids, so I wouldn't do it now. I would be 100% honest and I would tell people what I'm doing just so like they can watch. I think people would be interested to see what happens and the other issue is with steroids is the blood pressure issues. And so that would be a major concern of mine and there would probably be some anxiety with that. I haven't seen any blood pressure. I've only seen improvements in blood pressure with GLP ones because people are losing weight and getting healthier with steroids. It depends on the dose and what you're taking obviously, but historically have real major issues with blood pressure, strokes, clots. And you know, again, like it's not inherent. There are some people who live very healthily with various steroids, but you're at a much higher risk for sure. So that would be my main concern. But to answer the question, if I got in my 40s or 50s and I was like, yeah, I want to test this out. And if I'm still making content by that point in time, yeah, why, why not? I think I, and if I had the supervision of a doctor like I would in this scenario, yeah, for sure. I would. But I think the main thing is just being open and honest about it. And just, I think the main issue is be if I did it and didn't tell anybody, that's the issue that the industry, that the major is in the industry, people do it. And then they're not doing it for an experiment. They're doing it because they want to get the results from it. And then they don't tell people. So if I did it, I would just like, Hey, let's do an experiment together. And let's just all see what happens. Yeah. Yeah. It's intriguing. It's intriguing. How many kids do you want to have? I think at least three, at least three, and we'll see how it goes in my like, weird, idealistic brain, like five. Yeah. Like, I just want a big family and it's funny. Like I talk about the chaos and like, Oh my God, it's nuts. But like, I love it, dude. Yeah. I love it. It's especially thinking about what my life was like before. I had way more freedom to do whatever I wanted, but I have way more fulfillment now. So it's like, yeah, I had the freedom to go out to a restaurant with my friends or whatever it is. But like, putting my daughters down to sleep is like, every time, yeah, dude, like, it's, it's, it's not even, it's so funny. It's just like, every night is an amazing night because I get to hug my daughters and put them to sleep and like, it's, there's no words. So it's just, yeah, like the chaos is just the greatest. It's amazing. So yeah, I think at least three, but you had, you have one brother, right? Yeah. I have one brother. Yeah. And he loves my, I mean, he's, he's gotten a really good connection with my oldest daughter. Oh my God. And she calls him Yi, like she can't pronounce her elves yet. So he's like, Yi Yi Yi every, every day. He's like, Yi Yi Yi Yi. And he loves her so much. He spoils her with all these gifts. He's, he's so excited about her and he's excited to meet his new niece now. But yeah, it's, I always wanted like a big close knit family and growing up my family who had issues with my parents and my brother and I weren't that close. And so I just want like a big close knit family. Yeah. And your wife's on board? Yeah, she's one of the exact same thing. Like she's her family like wasn't that close either. And so we both are like, we want a big family and we want people to always feel welcome in our home and we want people to come over and stay and we're already thinking about art. Well, when the new house is built, God willing everything goes okay. Like how are we going to have like a big party? Are we going to have like a bunch of like people over like individually? Like we just, we just want to have an open, open door. Yeah, just we just want people to come over and hang out and yeah. So we just want like a big chaotic household. Yeah. Yeah. Add a couple more, add a couple more pups. Bro, puppies, we were on our morning walk and there was a woman who, she has an eight-week-old golden retriever, but like an Irish cream or an English cream, something. It's like a white golden retriever, but like an eight-week-old like baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. And we were walking and she was like, hey, and she was like, I forgot how hard the puppy stage is. Like she was struggling. She's like, she's nipping and it hurts so bad. And we're like, it's, we're going to get another dog eventually, but probably wait until Curtis is at least two, if not three. Bro, this puppy, it's brutal. And it's, he's so big. And so he's a bowls into old Abe and he's running all over the place. And it's just like, it's, it's one thing to have a puppy that's really small because it's still hard enough because they're a puppy. But when you have a huge puppy, yeah. It's made me think like I feel really bad for young kids who are really big. Who like, have you seen the movie Elf? Yes. It's one of the greatest movies of all time. Greatest Christmas movie. Yeah. So yeah, I just think of Will Ferrell like sitting on, sitting in like the tiny little classroom desk. Yes. Dude, I love it. I think one of the greatest scenes is when he burps super loud. He goes, did you hear that? Everyone, he's making breakfast and he's like sugar, sugar snaps, sugar candy, sugar corn, candy corn. And he's like breaking the pop tarts on top of his pasta and then covering it and maple syrup. It's just like, yeah. Amazing. For me, one of the ones is he's like walks by this gas station like diner and there's a little sign in New York and it just says like, best coffee in the world or whatever. And he like busts open the door and he's like, congratulations. He screams it at the top and is like, congratulations. And then he tries the coffee. It's like, oh, but I feel bad for like these young kids who are eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, but they're big and they look like they're older because I feel like people have higher expectations of them because they look older. But they're still little kids. Yeah, they're still little kids. And it's I feel it's like I get this way with Curtis where I'm like, dude, the fuck are you doing? Like, why are you bowling into your sister? Oh, yeah, because you're a seven month old puppy. It's like, whereas if I had a small little puppy, I'd be and he's not bowling into them and like, he can't do any damage that wouldn't wouldn't be an issue. But yeah. That's it, bro. That's it. What I'll say is thank you everyone for listening. If you could leave a five star review on the podcast, it would mean the world to me. It helps a lot. Everyone who's done it recently. Thank you so much. Or if you've ever done it, it means the world. Thank you so much. They help tremendously. Have a wonderful week. 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