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Reaction To More PGA TOUR Changes + Rory On Future Of DP World Tour

Join Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme as they delve into the latest news in the golf world, including Austin Eckroat's victory at the World Wide Technology Championship and Rory McIlroy's swing changes.
Duration:
1h 13m
Broadcast on:
11 Nov 2024
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Join Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme as they delve into the latest news in the golf world, including Austin Eckroat's victory at the World Wide Technology Championship and Rory McIlroy's swing changes. Smylie and Charlie also cover Maverick McNealy's analysis of, and proposal correcting, FedEx Cup points distributions that seemed skewed in 2024. SK and CH continue to review player reaction to the PGA TOUR card changes proposed for 2026, examine the DP World Tour's place within the professional golf ecosystem, and discuss comments made by Rory McIlroy that could be the final straw in instigating change for the FedEx Cup playoffs.

 

Chapters

00:00 Tough Weekend Scene for Smylie & Charlie

02:57 Austin Eckroat's second PGA TOUR win

05:59 Comparing Young American Golf Stars

09:08 Max Greyserman's Recent Performances

15:04 Doppelganger Talk

22:22 Maverick McNealy fixes the FedEx Cup point problem

34:24 Player Reactions to PGA TOUR card and field size changes

38:09 The Future of the DP World Tour

49:54 The Race to Dubai: Analyzing the Current Standings

59:47 Rory McIlroy's Swing Changes and 2025 Schedule

01:05:53 The Future of the FedEx Cup Playoffs

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Wow! - I'm smiley coffin, and this is The Smiley Show. - Welcome back to another episode of The Smiley Show. I'm Charlie Hume. He is Smiley Kaufman, and we have a surprising number of golf storylines to get to this sort of fall off-season, so to speak. Smiley, we're battling through it on the personal side. You've had a little bit of a stomach bug, and... - While I feel, I guess, theoretically healthy, helped my family a little bit on the med. It's been a long weekend in the Hume household. - Yeah, I think both of us, right? Both of us dealing with some illnesses in both sides. The stomach bug been going around the ham. It's gone through our house, and it's come and gone. And boy, was it swift. - Yeah, so we're fully healed now. We're all good. We're in a good spot. - It was a 24-hour deal, which I always thought that was when doctors or people say, "Oh, it's just a 24-hour thing." That's never happened to me. When I get sick, it's always a couple days. - Yeah. - It was nice for it to legitimately be 24 hours. - Yeah, well, I'll tell you what's not 24 hours is the hand-foot and mouth epidemic that's ripping through my son's preschool. Everybody got it, and somehow we held him out of school last week, and he still managed to get it. - Is it contagious for adults, too? Can you get it? - It is, but I never got a solid answer on this, but apparently it's a chicken pox type of situation where I had this when I was a two-and-a-half-year-old. My wife had it when she was younger, and so we have not gotten it yet, so that's nice. - Have you heard of like any friends of yours? - So my younger brother and his son went through this about six months ago, and he did not have it when he was a kid, and he got it, and he said it was brutal. - Yeah, so I got the chicken pox. Is it in the same? - Chicken pox, hand-foot and mouth are two different things. So I also had chicken pox. - So if I got hand-foot and mouth when I was a kid. Let's finish this show, call your dad, call your mom. As soon as we get off, check to see if you have hand-foot and mouth, and if you have not have hand-foot and mouth, God forbid Anna Carter gets it, and if she does, where put a bubble on you or put a bubble on her? - Well, when you come to Birmingham this week, we're gonna basically, like before, you know, how they entered the meth lab in Breaking Bad, we're gonna do the same procedures for you, just like a full detox. I don't think I'm a carrier, I would hate, I really and truly would hate to pass anything on to Anna Carter. Although, I'll say, I mean, we have been doing every protocol possible. A man to turn to me today was like, my hands are blistering 'cause I've washed my hands so many times. 'Cause because we have our fourths, our monthly daughter that we're hoping to God that she doesn't get it, and she's not gotten it yet. So again, it's not, you know, it's not crazy to have two kids in the same household, but please-- - This segment was sponsored by Handfoot Mouth. - Oh, yes, sponsored by something, I told you before. I'm just so happy to be upstairs working with my door locked and just, I mean, I love my family. You know how much I love my family. - Let's talk shop. - Let's talk shop. - Let's talk golf. Let's talk golf. Good God. Worldwide Technology Championship. - We have Austin Eckrode, a two-time winner on the PGA Tour now, shoots 63 on Sunday, despite bogeying the par-5's 18th, where we saw a little bit of intrigue last year, Eric Van Royne winning, making it, I think, either. I made an eagle on 18 to win the thing, and it was maybe a little bit in play here as well. Carsey Young had a shot, made on the green in two on 18, two shots back of Austin Eckrode, and had a tricky eagle putt, but an eagle putt nonetheless misses it and Austin wins by a shot over Justin Lauer and Carsey Young for his second tour win, also won the cognizant in Palm Beach back in March. So, I mean, this is Austin Eckrode back then. We talked about his talent, his amateur pedigree, a guy who played Oklahoma State, I believe. So Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. - Oklahoma State. - Oklahoma State, yeah. So, I mean, a second tour win, even in the fall, for me, this feels like a guy that has a ton of game and continues to, you know, to trend as far as the young, American stars go. - Absolutely, and this is what I talked about after he won the cognizant, that the game just comes very naturally to him. Just, for some guys, it just doesn't look that hard. You know, like, when you watch Russell Henry go play golf, it just doesn't look hard. You know, they just find the center of the face. They find the fairways, and for Austin Eckrode, when I played with him before, when I watch him, that's what it looks like. And he was one player, too, Charlie, where I was playing in a U.S. Open sectional qualifier, and this was in Dallas, and this is like right when he had finished up at Oklahoma State. He's trying to go, you know, make to the U.S. Open, get his professional career, kick-started nicely, and we're paired together. And I was fighting for my life out there. Like, I am hitting it all over God's Green Earth, but I still have a chance to make the U.S. Open. Like, I'm doing things that would not shock you, right? Like, like, my ones that go out of play, stay in play, make a par, but then on the other holes I hang in there. Austin played the exact same hole every time. It was just like fairway green, but it was just so simple. So not surprised to see, since then, him being able to make it with BJ Tour and already winning twice, but the other thing, too, when we just talk about the FedEx Cup fall, I think any of the guys inside that 125 number are loving a guy like Austin Eckrode winning this golf tournament. They want the points to go to the guys who are already in the signature events next year. And I don't know why, like, it makes sense, right? Like, there's, you know, guys that play, that are in the signature events next year, they go and play these events. And it's not shocking to see them win, right? Because there's no pressure. All they're playing for is money, official World Golf ranking points, and just going to play golf. So not shocking to see Austin Eckrode win. Yeah, and you note something there that we're going to get into. There was, you know, we're talking about the off-the-course type of storylines. There was a lot of chatter about the changes we've been talking about on tour. They're upcoming. They're going to be voted on shortly by the policy board in terms of less tour cars being available, some field-sized changes, things like that. And they were going to be comments this week by Justin Lauer after his third round about, you know, he's a guy where, to your point, Austin Eckrode, he's safe. He's in signature events next season. It would have meant a lot more to a guy like Justin, and he's not a fan of the new changes, not shocking. But to just kind of continue a little bit on the World Wide Technology Championship before we delve into that, you know, one of my favorite tropes on the show is to refer back to the 2021 Walker Cup that I went to at Seminole and just reverence all the guys on that team. That's all we do. I just got to go back to my, I got to play the hit smile. I got to go back to that every single time I can. So, you know, Austin Eckrode on that team. Another thing we love to do on the show is play a little comparison games, a little prediction games, things of that nature. So here's what I got for you today, all right? Austin Eckrode, prior to the swim, I believe was 59th in the O.W.G.R. did some quick back of the napkin math. I think he should be about 43rd after the swim. Just talked about, he's won twice on tour now. Another guy on that American team, Davis Thompson, entering the weekend 39th in the O.W.G.R. has the one win on tour, of course, this summer at the John Deere. So I want to play a little, a little predict the future for these two guys who are both young Americans. We've talked about, you know, maybe they can end up on teams someday. So the three questions I have for you is between Austin Eckrode and Davis Thompson, who do you think has more wins on the PGA tour in five years? Do you think either these guys makes a national team? And if so, who do you think makes it first? And do you think either these guys wins a major at any point? I think Davis Thompson's ceiling is higher. Okay. So whether that, I think that would potentially translate, you would think to a guy making an international team, because you have to be that good to make an American team. So I would lean Davis Thompson there. But Austin Eckrode's just like consistency and how easy the game is to him. I think he'll find himself in contention in a lot. There's no really weaknesses to his game where Davis, I would say, the Potter would be the one thing that he needs to continue to work on. And what's the third that I miss? Just most wins in five years. You know, do we see, who do we see? Do you see on our president's cup of Ryder Cup team at any point? It will be Davis Davis would be the guy. He's gosh, I don't even know how to compare him to really anybody. That's an American right now because you don't really know him, right? Like Davis is just, he's just really good at golf. He's much more introverted than, you know, an extroverted guy. So, um, but from a talent standpoint, man, God, we, we saw this right after the deep, uh, the, the, the John Deere, right? Like we went and said, like, all right, let's see, you know, what Davis Thompson has done this year. Let's check his stats and we're like, what? Like these stats are incredible. And I saw this golf digest post, I assume it was golf digest, because a lot of these things they golf digest post typically are on the clickbaity of things of sides. And they're taking some cheap shots at some guys calling, calling them like one tool players, two tool players, like the baseball terms. Um, and they were using the cone of, uh, stats that we always refer to. Um, when a guy is way up there, that would be one. Now if they have all those different levels, they would be that. And dude, Davis Thompson's basically a four tool player. I mean, when you go and look at it, like around the green, um, total off the tee, like the putter is the only issue. So, um, Davis Thompson would be, uh, definitely my answer when it comes to who's got the more, the higher ceiling. Yeah, it's just, it's interesting to me. The reason I wanted to ask you is to, to get that sort of unpacking of each of their sort of games and their profiles and things like that, because they both, they both strike me as sort of understated, to a certain degree and guys that are, are talented, but then you're looking at the last couple of years of collegiate golf. And of course you have a guy like Gordon Sargent who's about to make his pro debut and there are others in the pipeline. You know, um, you know, Nick Dunlap, of course, winning as an amateur at the AMX and now he's, he's in that sort of young American star category, but guys that are easily overlooked, but now a collective three wins between the two of them and not spending a ton of time on the PGA tour. And so, I mean, it's, it's, I think both have, I do agree with you as well. I think just looking at both of them play, Davis clearly has a high ceiling or higher ceiling, but I think both guys can end up being sort of steady, especially if they just continue on the same track on this next year could, could be, could end up on some of those teams at the latter half of the roster. Yeah. I, I just look at Davis Thompson's stats just so, I know I just refer to him. I'll just give him to you like strokes gain total Davis Thompson eight on the PGA tour. T to green thirteenth off the T 48 to not bad there approach the green 36 around the green third longest drives, 444 yards. So I don't, I don't know if that hit car path a couple times, but, you know, I don't know. So I, I think you're definitely been one to play the trumpet or play whatever tune you want to about, you know, young guys making a presence cup teams. But, but really, you know, what it's going to take for a Davis Thompson or Nick Dunlap or an Austin Accro. Uh, men will, well, men will at least not an American, but for one of these guys to make a Ryder cup team, they got to play so dang good. So we're talking about, at least two wins and, you know, playing really well in the majors, right? Like they almost need to win a major to, to find themselves on that team. Well, I, I didn't even, I forgot to list like Akshay, but Tia in there, like there are a lot of young guys. There's another example, right? Right. They're just kind of knocking on the door, but that, that core that's been, you know, the, the nucleus of those US teams that's sort of grown up. And, and now is, they're not old, but a lot of them are kind of in that, that, you know, late twenties kind of moving to the early thirties time. Sort of phase is, you know, it's going to take a lot to knock those guys off, given how well they played historically and how much experience they have in these competitions. So, you know, but I'm all, you know how I am. I'm always trying to kind of get a young guy in. I'm trying to get some fresh blood in. So just figured it was a worthwhile topic of conversation. Another, another American who's in his twenties and his late twenties, but worth mentioning as a guy who did not win this weekend. Max Grazerman, how about this for Max Grazerman's last six starts? Oh, he's been playing good. Three M solo second. Windom solo second. And then the two playoff events, FedEx, St. Jude, type of 33rd BMW, type of 28th. Obviously did not make it to Eastlake. And then his false calendar ties for second to Zozo and then solo fourth this weekend, the worldwide technology championship and was like in the mix there for a while. So, I mean, I guess finishing top five is better than not finishing top five, but the flip side of like, how do you do that so many times, but not. End up hoisting a trophy at the end of one of these tournaments. Yeah. Well, I talked to his coach, Jeff Smith, and another guy, Jonathan Fly, who's also underneath Jeff Fly. Yeah, you know, Jeff Fly. That's our guy. Talk to a little bit about Max Grazerman. And I think the one thing taking away from the wind of championship, where if you were watching that and a lot of people turned the TV off and already chalked up the wind of Grazerman after that whole out eagle on the thirteenth hole, hit it out about it. 14 makes an eight and ends up before putting on 17. It was a lot of pots. It's 16, I should say. Yeah. But the one, there's two ways you can look at it, right? Like first off, how do you handle himself after? And the fact that he did an interview after was able to self reflect and say, you know what? It was an unfortunate deal, made a bad swing, wrong time, wasn't able to get it done. I thought that showed a lot of toughness. What I've just, you know, owning for, you know, this is, this is professional sports. He's a young guy, could have easily walked away. So right then and there, I'm like, okay, that's a check mark for Max when I go and see him. So I'd see him the next week in Memphis before the week starts. And I'm like, man, great plan. That's took a lot of guts to go do that interview. And you know what it even took more guts was for him to then be like almost dead glass and Memphis. And then goes on a run to eventually make it to the BMW. So he was way out of it. And then just played so well over the weekend to make it to the signature event. So now he's had this house money and has basically been able to continue to work on his form. And if you go look at his golf swing too, it's incredible. We've mentioned this back. I believe it was right around the window was that J. Fly told us that he's got scoliosis in his back and that he actually has so much left side bend on the way back that they actually have to like try to get him underneath on the way back, which is a very opposite for a lot of people. You know, most people get, you know, two turn and two underneath and he's the opposite. So he actually has to feel very underneath, which is unusual for guys with speed on the PGA tour. So with that being said, Max is on a heck of a run. And another player too, right, that is an a young American that's got plenty of talent. And he was playing with somebody down in Florida recently that I just talked to. I don't know if it's JT. It was, it was some guy that plays out maybe at the medalist and grazerman was a guy that he was always playing with him. He didn't have status yet, but he was always the one winning the money. So I think a lot of PGA tour players, especially guys down in South Florida are not surprised to see Max play well. All right, here's what I want you to do. And I want as many people out there who were listening to this or watching this to do as well. Because this was this was the most out of left field observation that Amanda made while watching this tournament with me. She said, that guy looks like Rory McElroy. I was like, what? And then I googled. I googled Max grazerman and I googled Rory McElroy. And you know what? They could be like cousins. It's not it's not insane. It's like they could be from the same family ish, like extended. I'm not saying exact awful gamers. I'm not saying brothers, but I'm saying if you told me they were related, it wouldn't shock me. Wouldn't shock me. Do you sorry? Do you have them up right now? Are you? I'm going to pull Rory up. Just kind of. Just to deal. Yeah. Like just to kind of. Is it crazy or is there something there? It's like eyes to the nose thing. Everything else. I don't see it. But if you like just covered his like the middle of his nose and then you just saw the rest and took away chrome tour and you maybe threw a Nike hat there. And just saw the top of his ears and be like, that's Rory. So. Okay. That's something. Yeah, I see what you're done. I'm doing a little bit over here too. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, you're right. You're dead right. Speaking of doppelgangers. Speak the kicker for the Vikings. Apparently him and I look alike. Yeah. So many people tagged me will record with this lettuce in the locker room. Yeah. And then our guy Jackson tried to do like one of those face mesh things and then the end result came up looking up more like Justin Thomas than you. I don't know what happened there in the mix is very, very strange. But yeah, you could be you could be out there missing field goals to the Vikings. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I did offer to, this is all that we're going to speak about this game. The LSU Alabama game is that I did say for game day. I forgot to ask you about that. We stink. If you want to hear my rant, go back to the LSU Texas A&M two weeks. Same. Same rant. Just press replay. That's all I'm going to say. But I did offer to Stanford Steve and game day to kick in the Pat McAfee thing. But apparently it's like a legal thing because so much money's been given away. It's got to be actually like watery picked. But I could have entered this. You know, whatever the kid like he calls him. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Hold on. There was a kid a couple weeks ago, the tour is ACL backstage and I had a guy sub in for him. And you imagine? I love that. It's high. It's a heavy story. What do you think the longest field goal is you can make? I think I can make low 40s. Low 40s? I think I'm good from 52. Dude, shut up. Do we need to go film this? Absolutely. I think I'm good from 52. Like easy. All right. When we get here, we'll go straight to the high school field. Do you have a field nearby and you can film this? It's 10 minutes from my house and we need to go film this thing. Do you need to bring my own ball or are you going to have one for me? I got to find a ball. I don't have a football. I got to bring, I got to re-kick these shoes. And my shoulder hurts so much from carrying a baby around them. I can't throw a football anymore. I can throw those nerf ones that are like real light or like the kid miniature ones that are lighter. But you give me a big football. I watched some guys throwing football on the beach the other day, like having a real bit of time throwing it. And I'm like, how are their shoulders holding up? That's all I was thinking about. It's so bad, smiley. Like at this point in our lives, just with the kids and everything and trying to work out as well. And you're almost like, I want to go light on this workout because I know I'm going to have to just, you know, carry my son across the house. Now he wants to be picked up and down. He wants to dance and jump up and down. It's just holding such a mess. I wouldn't saw our guy shout out to recovery pin. Dig me wide. Yeah, I didn't get to ask you about that. Good. The better spot. We're the next, the next a lot better. We were in a tough spot with the neck, but we're trending in the correct direction. So. Well, if you can't see, there's a beam holding up my head behind me because my neck hurts so bad. That's right. You had a similar issue. We're falling apart, dude. There's the structural, the musculoskeletal thing, the immune system. It's a tough scene. It's like, you know, when you go to put in your contacts and like, or excuse me not contacts, when you go to put like, I drops in, you have to hit way up, like it's, I like do it from my back to go lay down and drop my, I dropped it. It's, it's just really. It's so relatable. I know there's something listening to me like, yep, I've been there. I know that one. Yeah. Uh. Glad. Drink. Feeling fine. So fresh. Glad. Stretch. Drink. But since they take you back. Grandma's place always feels like pine. She's a get out the chat room and clean my head. Stretch. Feeling fine. So fresh. The glad girl grew coming at you with a throwback jam. That was glad for a flex drawstring trash bags feature in pine salt original scent. And that's better than all good. It's all glad. This podcast is brought to you by Kleenex lotion tissues. You can't predict sick days. But with Kleenex lotion tissues, you can be better prepared for them while helping keep your skin healthy. Kleenex lotion tissues moisturize to help prevent skin irritation while you're battling those unwanted cold and flu symptoms. It's extra care when you need it most. Keep relief within reach. Grab Kleenex lotion tissues to help avoid the added discomfort of irritated skin during cold and flu season for whatever happens next. Grab Kleenex. Golly. I mean, this can we can do a whole other pot about the ways in which our bodies are breaking down. But instead, we're going to turn to a place we promised the top of this episode, which is so this is this is one of my favorite pieces of like golf lore like aside from the things that happens on the golf course, you know, you get like these things that happen and different PGA tour players are interviewed and they remark on it. And the thing that comes out of these closed door meetings, like at least 20% of the time is how Maverick McMeadley is like the smartest person on the face of the earth. And so I saw this story. So this is something last year when we were talking about the signature event changes and the way points are going to be distributed and you were kind of doing some of this math. You're like, this doesn't make any sense. This does not make any sense at all. Well, we're not a math pod. And I immediately said there is something wrong here actually in the first red flag. I spent like a tired day going through the through the data and just mind blowing. I was like, nobody has a chance that's not in the signature events. Well, you know, who else did the same thing is our boy, Maverick McMeadley did a deep dive on this, came up with a better system, just shared it with some friends, somehow it started making the rounds, circulating everyone on tours, talking about it. He gets invited to join the pack. His wife convinces them to do it in July and goes of this proposal and they're taking a vote on this in about a week. And if you go into into place in 2025. So this is, I find this so fascinating. So he's going through all this and he found like this really good test case in Corey Connors. So he compared Corey's sixth place finish at the RBC Canadian Open this year and the T20 at the Memorial the following week. And so the sixth Canadian Open year is 100 FedEx Cup points, but more likely it's 97.5 points. So essentially the same thing. We're going to call that a wash, right? Corey. So then he's trying to find a metric to illustrate why this is sort of warped. He goes to a true strokes game that you can get through data golf. Corey at the Canadian Open was positive 2.78 strokes gain and the Memorial just 1.78. So just like this is like this doesn't make any sense. So his quote here is, if you play the same quality of golf, no matter what tournament you're playing, you should get the same number of points. The person, the person should be different because, you know, obviously, you know, signature events, you're awarding guys who have really good years. But I think just because you finished top 50 doesn't mean you should earn more points the following year than the guy who played just as well. So presents this to the tour. The tour says amazing. They run it through their own set of simulations, do their own research. They come to the exact same conclusion, smooth out the curve and they're not presenting us on the pack. And Camila Vigegas, his quote is, he's a genius, dude. He died in the numbers and came up, but he thinks it's a lot more a fair way. We studied the whole situation and it is fair, so I give him credit for that and in a nutshell, what the proposal boils down to is a slight increase to second place points for majors. This is something he also found via the data and the players and a slight decrease in points to positions 11 and beyond for full field events and a slight decrease to signature event points in positions seven and beyond. So he just has a, again, not a math pod. That's your first disclaimer, but just smoothing out those curves as you get 11 beyond a full field, seven and beyond in signature events and then increasing points for finishing high and majors. So smiley, a lot of data, a lot of information I've thrown at you there. Your response to what Mav, the homework Mav did and corrected this thing, the issue that you found with this almost immediately. Yeah, there's, there's two or three things I'll say and I'll start with this. I'll ask you, is the pack back? The pack might be back. The pack 12, the pack two. That is not back. DJ Tour pack. Very much back. They seem back right now. I mean, we have the Camilo sending the email about the changes of, you know, the, the events and how much, how many players are going to be playing in these full field events. And, and now we have Maverick McNeely basically going full Albert Einstein and figuring out the, the correct way to have the right distribution curve on the, on these points lists. And so, okay, maybe the pack is back. The second thing I'll say is that in 2017, this would have been my second year on tour. They made an adjustment to the points and it was much more of the area from about 20 to 35. There was too many points being awarded in that area. And they, eventually what they did was take some points away and put more points towards the top. So there were, there were guys that were, like if you were a top 25 machine, like in 2016, which was my rookie year, you were, you were just so many points, like so many points. So I think this, this whole, this in the first time this has happened and I know that we have a new point system with signature events. So it's not apples and apples comparing, but it's not the first time they've, you know, made a bit of an adjustment to the curve. My thoughts on what Maverick has done, it's like, you don't say, like this is what I've been, I've been saying is that this is wrong and they needed to fix it. So I guess the, what, what, what jumps out at me and I think that it was obvious that the open field events, when you finish six at Canadian Open and you finish six, or you finish, excuse me, if you finish 20 at the memorial, you know, are those the same? And we talked about this at the beginning of last year and I can make an argument you're playing a tougher field, but you're also playing less guys, you know, compared to 156. There's a cut. So there's a lot of different ways that you can value of, you know, how we got to six points versus 20th and which one deserves more points. And that was Maverick's whole argument. It's like, fine, if you finish the top 50, take the money, take all the money you want, but do not take away points for guys that are playing just as well in an open field event. And that's the big, the biggest argument in this that I completely agree with. So it seems as if strokes gained data is what is somehow the tour is saying, which I, I also, like that is now we're, we're using true strokes gain data as complete fact. I know some people have holes in strokes gained data. So, you know, that's a one of the same thing about like, you know, just looking at relative field sizes and, you know, strokes game versus baseline, if it's, you know, but again, apparently the model, apparently there's like just, there's just raw strokes gained data, like for these events. And then I guess within data golf, the true strokes gain, corrects for all these sorts of things. And so there's sort of a, a comparative, you can look at that number and compare it to other events. And for the most part can say that, that, that there, you know, you don't have to do anything to change the data to account for field size or, you know, or field strength or whatever, whatever. But I, what you said right there is exactly the way I feel. And it's almost like that's the, that's the, it's, it's, we all know it's wrong. And we all know like simply from the bat, like that something didn't make sense. But I think that the piece of intelligence that Mav had that helped the still it was just seizing on what part of it was wrong and also make, making an eloquent argument where it's like, Hey, I get it. You know, it's face value. It seems like you're, you're doing these new events. They have all the best players in the world. Yeah. The person should be bigger and they should give more points, but being able to kind of split up. Right. We're, we're still playing all these events on tour. And if a guy's playing just as good or better golf in this event, you know, looking at strokes game, playing against the course, whatever, why are we penalizing that guy? Like give the guys in the signature events more money. That's completely fair. Yeah. That's, that's the bonus they earned finishing top 50, but let's just reward good golf across the entire year and a fair way. And I think that's like such so much easier to make it make sense for people than like, you know, trying to compare does a six equate to a 20th, you know, if you're comparing signature events to full fields. And I think the tour was lucky this year, to be honest, I really do, because I didn't, I didn't believe that the 50 guys that were going to qualify for the 50 this year. So the guys that made all the way to the BMW, I really felt like the percentage odds were going to be that 40 or so we're going to be the guys that were there last year, which is a, I know that's a higher number, but I feel like Scotty Scheffler and Zayner Scheffle, I feel like they kind of saved the PGA Tour a little bit. They ate up a lot of these points, not as many points to go around for the rest of the guys in the top 50. So if you had had, you know, a different winner in every single one of these different signature events or major championships, you may have had a different outcome where the top 50 may have not fit in that projected number where the PGA Tour, you know, I can't remember exactly what it was because, um, was it 36% or something, um, oh, oh, you're talking about the turnover from year to year. Yeah, the turnover. Yeah. You're over, you're over your top 50. I, I want to say it was, it was, yeah, I think 36% is what they're projecting or maybe it was 36 spots or 26 spots of the 50. Golly, I'd, yeah, not a bad thought, not a bad idea with all that to say is that, you know, I, I think that if this was to go, uh, the, the pack, which is back, by the way, if they do go and pass us through the policy board, I do think that, uh, it's a much more fair PGA Tour and, uh, the other side of it too, the, the things that are being rewarded, which I think is good is second place for a major should get more points. Like we know how much more pressure there is in major championships and that there should be more points allotted to those players. So I like that that's getting a bit of a bump in all this too and that the curve kind of dwindles down when you get outside the top 10. Well, and, and yeah, the, the reason why the pack remains back is because if we're playing the all presses, good press game, uh, the reaction to some of these tour card, uh, number changes and field size changes, uh, not been as kind as maybe, uh, somewhat have liked it to be in terms of response from players, so I just have a selection of, of, of quotes to read you here from, from several players on tour, former players on tour. Uh, so this is Justin Lauer is actually really emotional interview on Saturday holding a share of the lead at the worldwide technology championship, uh, and, and, you know, kind of starts about how much a win would mean to him, but then in the back half of the responses, I hate all the changes they're making as a whole another subject I could rant about for like an hour seems like anytime I do something good, they make a change, but yeah, it just means a lot to me. I just want to see how good I can do and prove to myself that I can actually do something in this game. Patrick Harrington for another show Wednesday on golf today, uh, was asked about it. He says it's terrible. It really is. I can't think of how bad it is. At the end of the day, the people who are on the inside are voting to keep the thing tighter and more closed. Sure. Why don't we have 12 people involved if I'm included and everyone else can go home. The tour is running just fine. I know there is certain pressure on time to get fields finished when they go to 156 during certain times of year, but players will deal with that. This is one way to solve one of the biggest issues in golf, pace of play, but you want to give everyone the opportunity. And then finally, Lucas Glover, I thought the proposed plan was asked nine, like most of our recent changes, limiting players doesn't help competition where the only sport that decreased the number of teams or players, every other sport has expanded their playoffs or expanded their fields. We're doing the opposite. The tour's job description is to do what's right for the membership, not a few members. Your thoughts on that collection of quotes with regard to the proposed changes that we discussed and I think generally we seem to like them. Well, yeah, we've debated it and I think we've, I think we do like them and that's what's difficult about the PGA Tour, right? You got all these individual guys with a lot of opinions, 200 to 225 members you're trying to appease with fields that are tightening and a different world that we're in now in the professional golf landscape. So you have to imagine there are a lot of people that feel that way. But from our perspective, somebody that played the game professionally was on the tour in media now can see both sides of it. I, I for one, if I was still playing would be a hundred percent in the boat of I want every opportunity to play. Now where I sit now, I don't really see it that way. So it's weird, you know, if you go ask me, if I just got done after, you know, shooting 66 out of a savior and I'm like, you know, maybe I could play again and, and you say, Hey, hey, ask, what do you think about? Should there be a hundred, should there be extra 12 guys at every event? It's like, Oh, you know, maybe, but that's, it's such a, such a fine mind. And one of the, you know, one of the main reasons they talked about was not being able to finish on Thursdays and Fridays. I don't think that's the end of the world. Right. And guys don't, they just want to play. I don't, I don't think they really care about finishing that next morning. Sure, they would love to, to be first off and I have to go and finish in the mornings. But it doesn't take away from the tournament finishing on Sunday. So when it comes to like daylight, I, I get that you can use that as an excuse. But I, I think the players that are in the court area or wherever would be like, we don't care. Just give us a tee time. Yeah. I mean, so I have never played on the PGA Tour. So I cannot sit here on this podcast and say that something that, you know, Justin or Padre or Lucas has said is wrong or incorrect. I mean, I think they're all very much entitled to their opinion given their experience in this game and what they've seen and how they see the systems that, that work or don't work. Right. The observation I'll make is just looking at other people who are, who have commented on this thing. Michael Kim on the show, you know, just last week, who was currently 116th in the FedEx Cup standings. And if the system was in place going in next year, would not have us to work hard. The proposal of the, of this whole system that could go into effect, Camila Vijay, it's 194th and the FedEx Cup standings. Now I know he won the Butterfield in the last year. So two years winter exemption and again, not a math guy. I'm not sure. Does that, does, does he get the winner's exemption for this year and next year? Is that correct? Yeah. And there you go. So if he doesn't win next year, then he, you know, 20, 26th, the change is going to effect. He doesn't have a tour card. So if there are guys on this tour who are in a position that, that stand to lose from this proposal and they're still saying, I think this is a good thing because of what, what they're trying to address. To me, I have to look at that too and say, well, you know, I don't know, like, I completely understand the sentiment that you're trying to create opportunities for members and your or, you know, and so if you're cutting down on that, I can see why someone knee-jerk would criticize that. But the whole thing we went through was you're, you're, you're diluting the value of an opportunity by handing out too many tour cards to actually get guys into events. You know, it's, it's all good and fine to give out 125 tour cards until 30 guys have a corn fairy tour. They're going to come up and play on the big tour. And then when they show up and say, okay, cool. I'm on the tour. Can I play in this event? Well, no, you got to wait this week and you got to wait another week. You got to wait another week. What was this even for? And that's, I thought Michael said that really eloquently on the show just explaining why this change is important so that if I earn my tour card, that means something. I can go play on the PGA tour. And so I, you know, look, I understand the criticisms from people who are experienced and, and, and, you know, know how these things work, but I think the net effect of this is that making it a more valuable thing to earn a PGA tour card, and I think that has to be a good thing. Well, what, what wasn't fair this year and this goes back to what we were just talking about with Maverick McNeely and what a sixth place at the Canadian Open and what a T 20 at the Memorial. Let's go just go back to that example. Same amount of points and totally different finishes and based on how you played. Now that was unfair. I, I completely agree that anybody in an open field event, regardless of how good the field was, I still felt like it was a, a very difficult challenge. But now with a, maybe a different curve, I still feel like these guys have a chance. Now they got to play well. And there's plenty of opportunities. We've seen guys go and take advantage of it. And I'm for a more competitive tour. Um, I thought 125 for a really good player is pretty, pretty easy to do. You know, we see Matt Coocher roll out of bed and do that. Like, you write like he's, he's 40 something years old, finishing top 125 for him. It's not difficult, although I'm sure he works his tail off and he's really good at golf. But I mean, that's, that's like that. These are from 100 to 125. That's kind of where the fluff is a bit. Yeah. I, I agree completely. And so I think, I mean, it's, you know, there are definitely going to be impacted players who are good players and who deserve opportunities, but there's going to be another pathway to kind of work your way back into that ecosystem. Yeah. It's like a good young players coming up, you know, from other pathways too. I mean, it's, it's, it's, that's a great thing about it. You know, it's a merit based sport. It's highly competitive and you know, I think the same, don't you kind of like it for like fantasy for not fantasy, but you know, guys at the beginning of a year with, you know, only a hundred guys, like drafting with your buddies. It's like, I see like more fantasy value week to week in a smaller PGA tour than a bigger PGA tour. The glad girl grew coming at you with a throwback jam. That was glad for his flex drawstring trash bags featuring pine salt, original synth. And that's better than all good. All glad. This podcast is brought to you by Kleenex lotion tissues. You can't predict sick days, but with Kleenex lotion tissues, you can be better prepared for them while helping keep your skin healthy. Kleenex lotion tissues moisturize to help prevent skin irritation while you're battling those unwanted cold and flu symptoms. It's extra care when you need it most. Keep relief within reach. Grab Kleenex lotion tissues to help avoid the added discomfort of irritated skin during cold and flu season for whatever happens next. Grab Kleenex. Wholeheartedly agree. And I think the other thing too, the point that Michael made when he came on the show, was that some of these guys in these categories right now that are impacted are still going to get starts in some of these weaker field events where guys don't want to play. It's not on their schedule. Like they'll find their way into PGA tour events if it's important for them to play those. But it just means that the events where, you know, where you'd expect to get a start and, you know, even if it's just not even a signature, it's just a regular full field event, if you're expecting to get a start and you can't because of the way the priority ranking works, you know, that's a bummer. So I think it's a cleaner, a hundred cards, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, what the makeup of the tour is going to be when you start the season when you are going to go bet on it, where you're going to play a daily fantasy lineup, whatever, whatever. And if you don't like that, I like, play better, don't finish 105th, finish 99th, finish 97th. So I think another wrinkle in this story that's interesting is that, and this is, this is, we talked a little bit about this one. This whole tour card change thing happened is that where the DP world tour lands on this priority list. And so just kind of going back to the proposed 2026 priority ranking. So first category tournament winners, next category, top 70 FedEx cup through tour championship, then finishers 71 through 100 on the FedEx cup through the FedEx cup ball, right? But from that point on, the next category is the top 10 finishers that are not otherwise an exempt from the race to the buy ranking on the DP world tour. That is above the corn fairy tour category. That's above Q school. That's above PGA tour you. So that is from a place that isn't earning your card through performance on a PGA tour. That is the best place to be coming from in terms of priority to get starts on the PGA tour. So if you're looking at this whole sort of ecosystem used to be there are 30 corn fairy tour cars. Now it's 20 obviously still two to one advantage for the corn fairy tour over the DP world tour. There was a report out this week just talking about how maybe the DP world tour could be a more viable pathway for young players, amateurs, maybe even Americans want to go over. Guy Kenning, who's the new head of the DP world tour said this, he said it wouldn't surprise me at all if more Americans started to look at the DP world tour, if you look at the pathway through from the challenge tour to the DP world tour, it's a very clear route and it's worked very well. We just have to monitor that and see what happens. So kind of unpacking that angle of it, like do you think we'll see, you know, amateur players coming out of college in the same way that, you know, there's been a fragmentation and pro basketball, the places you can go to come back into the NBA, like do you think we're going to see kids decide to go over and play their way through Europe to get on tour if they're not just like slam dunk and via PGA tour or some other means? Not too much unless you have a bunch of money to be able to go and do it. But the opportunities there, I mean 10 cards is a lot when we talk about, you know, not already exempt DP world tour members. And did you read the stat that said during the month from January to June, did you already read that stat? I've not read that yet, but please, that's my next point if you don't mind getting to it. Yeah. So it just kind of continuing on the DP world tour theme because I think there's an aspect of it where we're talking about the same thing you and I've talked about on the show, which is, you know, what is this tour? And we love it in the fall, but what is it doing when it, when the PGA tour is the main event? So from January to June, zero top 20 players and just two top 50 players made starts on the DP world tour, you know, few more made spot starts around link season, but mostly they skip spring and summer and come back in for the fall season, you know, what's the PGA tour as you've seen this season has kind of punted to NFL football. So it's, that's an eye opening stat. And to answer your question about should a player go and try the DP world tour, first off, Q school doesn't matter where it is, it's going to be hard. But let's say you do make it through and you get a DP world tour card. Never easy, obviously, to make it to the top 10 of anything, like you got to be very good at what you do. But with that being said, when you look at the numbers, now the official world golf ranking, I think is way, way, way catered towards the PGA tour, you might as well just look at the official world golf ranking and look at the FedEx cup because that's kind of where it is. That's one area in which OWGR to me is, is whatever it's, it's good for maybe some of the top guys, but it, once you get to like what 50, the top 50 guys used to be and who used to be in the top 50 in the world, it's just not the same. So when you say that stat, I also like take that with a grain of salt, knowing that it's just a different landscape than what we used to judge top 50. But I mean, it's, it's an opportunity in this fall thing. I do think that God, wouldn't it be so great and Rory kind of talked about this in his, in his press or talking about how the European tours in a good spot. And you're like, are they though, like, but I think he sees that there is an opportunity because these fall events, basically the BJ tours said to the NFL, it's like, Hey, we can't compete. We're just going to just throw up some FedEx cup fall. And if you're into, if you're into watch the top 125 golf and a leaderboard you just aren't familiar with, then go right ahead. But like we'll see you at the beginning of the year. And there is a way in which golf is relevant the entire year, like I'm interested in Dubai, like I want to watch it the next morning. But the fall is got him, like we've got to figure out a way to get the DP world tour and all those cool events and this national opens and the top players playing somehow. I could not agree more. In fact, in putting together the rundown for the show, I've just kind of occurred to me. It's like, you know, and we have discussed a number of DP world tour tournaments this fall, you know, seeing Royal County down in action was thrilling. So good. But I'm almost like, why are we not just flipped entirely full coverage to just leading with the DP world tour event and talking about the places they're going, making that the first part of the show. And it caters to American viewing habits. Like I know daylight's a little different there and you got to, you know, again, we're not a we're going to do next week, we're going to do next week, of course, with the DP world tour championship. But you know, just figuring out a way to just own that or at least compete in that morning pre noon segment on the weekends that is filled up with Premier League games, you know, because I mean, shoot, I've got to get American supply though, like that's that's the big problem for for viewer interests, like cool Billy Horsha loves playing. And I love to see him up there competing, but you got to have more need. You just need more Americans to buy in until then like why should why should Americans care. I mean, it's it's just golf hardos and golf sickos, but it, you know, and it's it's even tough like a year like this year where. Louisville, bear against the guy who we all love, you know, has cross over appeal Americans care about him, but he's rehabbing the knee injury. And so you're not seeing this problem also, like a little banged up taking some time off. So to your point on Roy's quotes, he said, this is one excerpt of a whole discussion he had, but I think hopefully we'll get more than just the patch at the end of the year. There have to be some tournaments dispersed throughout the year for the tour to stay relevant, not just in a four month window, but a little bit more than that. Yeah. Look, we'll see what happens. It's articulated that I think the European tours and a good spot because it might have a couple of different options going forward. That is the intriguing piece of it to me. And so I think it's, I think that's where whenever this whole thing comes together that's been rumored between, you know, of course, the PGA tour and the PIA, but people forget the DP World tour was announced in that initial framework agreement as being a party to this whole agreement. Like, I just hope that it's a creative solution that gets Americans over to play the fall events and all these amazing European historic golf venues. And maybe mixes more global events in the main calendar kind of to Roy's point here. I mean, but, but for sure and live, you know, figuring out how that whole thing works into and, and they're, they are probably more global in the PGA tour, but they're still playing half their events in the United States. So I mean, the DP World tour this year has played 44 tournaments across five continents in 24 countries. Like that is a global tour. So I think it's, it's one of those things we're just kind of taking stock of where they're at right now and just seeing this huge opportunity in the fall, if you can get good guys over that are played to own that, that morning TV segment and actually sell that to American advertisers. That's the other thing. It's like, that's the whole, you know, big part of this is like make it palatable to American audience. Like, I don't know what the relative Premier League ratings are pulling and it took years to build those to a spot where it's even relatively significant. And so you're starting from scratch kind of there, but if there's a way to kind of make it commercially viable here, it would just be so much more compelling. Sunday mornings is obviously top right. Like if you're going to go to the Southeast audience and be like, well, honey, we, we got church at eight 30 and then we got sweet tea and we got breakfast after that. And it's, you can't have your phone out and we got the rest of you can't be, you can't be streaming the Irish open here at our, our meeting three Sunday brunch spot. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's fair. It's itself. So it's like everything in golf. I mean, this kind of reminds me of the Kyle Porter conversation we had, like, it's just there. Just so many moving pieces. How do you fix it? But it's interesting. I mean, at least on the developmental front, I did think that piece was interesting of like whether or not guys will look to kind of game the game a little bit to work their way in. Not the top guys would like, you know, you know, so do you watch any of the golf this week? When I wasn't just running a fire drill around the house, yeah, just like a tunnel, a ton of water looked like to me, but they were shooting nothing. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's like, it's, I like seeing some of the unique venues, you know, like the two boxes that it checks for me are like historic venue, Royal County down this year, or like, you know, just something that is visually different than what we see in American golf. Like I can't remember the names. It's like French, partially French, but where they play the Omega Swiss Masters every year, like in the Alps, just look so sick. But so, or I mean, the name of the, it's like Crondor something. I'm not going to tend to like the name of the course, Geneva Switzerland, which we were talking about the Swiss Masters. So you're okay. Right. I thought you said something French before that. Well, because they speak French and Swiss, not linguistics, but, all right. So here's, here's what I got next for you as we kind of continue on the DB world tour theme. Then I have some more quotes from Roy at the end, but you were asking just current race to the bystandings, right? Like guys that are going to get their card, guys are slating at their car on the P on the PGA tour. So I'm going to read you one through 17. So Rory is at the top played 11 tournaments. Tristan Lawrence, who, you know, almost won the open championships here is his second thing here. Almost one there, right? He's slated to get his tour card, Rasmus Hoigard, third also slated to get his tour card. Had that great one at the Irish Open against, against Rory on the stretch. Yeah. Yeah. vaulted him way up there. Billie Horshel is fourth. Obviously already has his tour card. Paul Waring, who wins this weekend, he's like 39 year old out of nowhere. Vault's, you know, I think it was like 42nd vaults way up the race to the by list. You know, at this point, pretty much has his card locked up. Then you have Tyrell had a new six to obviously not eligible because he's on live, Tommy Fleet with seventh already has his tour card, Nicholas Norgaard, his eight TV line to earn his PGA tour card. Boy, that name is very close to being Nicholas Hoigard, isn't it? Yeah. I've double have done at least five double takes tonight. Are they the same person or they say, are they the same player? What do we know? Is this the triplet of between the white guard twins? It's going to be. It's going to throw a real wrench in your job next year when you got two Hoigards and a Norgaard on the course and two Nicholas's. We already have a chef. We're in a shop way. Like people don't talk about that enough. Yeah. It's, it's, you know, why not make it a little bit harder? Yeah. Then we got Bobby Mack at nine already has a tour card of course. And then we have a four in a row who will be earning tour cards, Matteo Manocero, yes for Svensson, Thorbjorn Olson, and Rikuya Hoshino, and then Matt Wallace is 14th. I actually want to go back and look at because he's playing kind of an interesting right now where it because, because I don't know that he's going to retain his tour card yet he's over playing the DP world tour, but it's not like you can. Yeah. He's up. He's a hundred and thirtieth and the current fattest cup standing. So what to you? All right. Two, oh, no, wait, okay, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. He would be the ninth guy. So he's, he's kind of caught in between here or no, he'd be, uh, yeah. He's correct. He'd be the ninth guy. Yeah. That's right. He's the ninth guy. So right now like he's at 1868 looks like and then, uh, I don't know how the points seem to work, but it seems like he would have a little bit of wiggle room heading into the last week. Well, I mean, I'm curious that you mentioned though or, uh, Matteo Manocero would have a story. He's sad. I'd love it. I'd love to get him on the pod to talk about it. And Adam's Fenton. I talked to him a little earlier this year, I was like, I talked to Adam's Fenton. I was like, dude, sorry. Did you play last week in Kenya? He's like, no, I was like, what? I saw it. You sure? It's like, oh, that's a yes for Svensson. I was like, you don't say like, I was like, I was wondering why they kept not like showing you. It was weird. I was like, maybe change sponsor or something. I got, I got a buddy. I got to get with a door guard. You are in for it next year. Yeah. Yeah. This is going to be a real interesting year for you. Ah, and yeah. Surround up the list. Sebastian Soderberg. He'll, he'll, he's 15th on the list. He'll learn his card. Didn't he like have a big like he was supposed to win an event and like Moss like an eight shot lead. Wasn't that him this year? I vaguely recall that. Yeah. And it was like he had like an eight shot lead in the Moss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like had a really low round early on. I feel bad if I'm tagging him with that if it wasn't him. Well, I mean, he's on his way to earning a tour card. So yeah, that's something all as well that is well, then Jordan Smith, Englishman, last man on that list that earnest is. All right. So there you go. There, there are just some names to start, if you're smiling to start practicing to say on the broadcast next year and just to get you all familiar. So my just quick thing there, I mean, I know it's a partnership with the DP World Tour, but until it's a legitimate deal where PGA Tour players are playing like much more than just the Scottish Open, that's too many cards I still feel like to be given the PGA Tour. I think that tends too many. I think there should be, it should be five and add five more to the corn fair. I think they should have 25 instead of 20. Yeah. You know what? Just if you're interested by this, if you're intrigued by this whole story, you should go read Dylan to chair, wrote a story posted on November 9th on golf.com that just unpacks this entire state of the DP World Tour that's a really, really good read because it talks about every angle about, you know, the feeder tour aspect, how often the stars play like whether, you know, does live fit in somewhere? Is it the right amount of cards? It's worthwhile read just to kind of get a state where all that, all that kind of lands. But I do agree in looking at like that list of names relative to some of the corn fairy tour names. Like, you know, I don't know. I mean, I think that the top of the list. If Paul Warren doesn't win this week, which is throw him out, right? Like Tricia Moritz, Rasmus Hoigard, you would have had Nicholas Norgaard, and then you would have had Mateo Menaceiro and then, you know, yes, for Spencer, like that's a solid list to me. And I think that's a lot of the things that I've heard from the past that like I've heard, really, really solid things about. Rikuyo Hoshino, I've heard he's really nice. And then so there's maybe some potential there. I mean, like, listen, last year, Pavone was the guy that we didn't know anything about. I didn't know much about him. Then he shows up and wins far. Yeah. Totally. Let's not forget to hit the US Open. He was in the final group. Yeah. So I mean, I think that and that's the kind of thing is like we, I think we knew more. He was in the mix toward the end. Was he in the final? Oh, he was. Yeah. He was because he was. He was. He hung in there too. He marked. There was that whole thing where he marked his part, he marked his body team. Yeah. And, and, and he, Bryson wanted a pup before him to finish out so he didn't get a read. Yeah. There we go. We got there. Yeah. I mean, I think with a lot of these guys, like you don't know who they are until they show up and play well. And then all of a sudden, their household name is just because we know more about the core fair to our guys because that's who we kind of see a little bit more of on a weekly basis. But did we, did you look at how big of a lead where he has for not playing anything other than he played the beginning of the year in one event and then he played some, some of the opens finished a couple, finished second and went where to finish the second of the Irish Open and had a really nice week last week for, I thought was interesting too, was how, you know, Rory McRoy being one of the best ball strikers in the world to spend three weeks in a simulator and didn't even watch for the ball went wild, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was, that was, and that's kind of the story I have to finish the show. It's actually not on that topic, but part of that story was just unpacking that whole, I purposely do not want to see any ball flight there. I didn't like his backswing, wants to make it more repeatable and compact under pressure. Yeah. You know, just looking at some of those, some of the near misses he's had in recent years, really, really interesting stuff at this stage in the game for him to be changing that. But I mean, it's, well, it's, it's hard to, to make a real hard technical motor pattern change during the year. You can kind of work your way to it, but it really does take a long time for your mind to be okay with not having to think about how to do something. It's, it's like, hey, can you turn the light switch off and be able to do it? And your, your body's going to know whether it's done it or not. And if it hasn't been repped enough, then it's going to revert back to the pattern that you had. So Rory, he actually talked a little bit about this in that full swing documentary in the locker room. He's like, I just feel like I need a full overhaul. I need to like start from scratch and hey, I give Rory a ton of credit this fall because you see a lot of guys don't even play, they don't do anything. They just play at home and Rory's, you know, he winning on the DP World Tour and winning his sixth order of merit race to Dubai. That means something to him. He wants to be the top European player of all time. So I have to admire his passion for wanting to be the best and working to get to a point to where, hey, I know we've, we haven't won a major in 10 years, but who's to say that he can't pick off three or four more if he can't get his swing exactly the way he wants it. And I mean it, gosh, I'd love to see it, right? Like I think we just have so much battle scars as like fans of Rory's. Yeah. 100%. And I mean, I think it's, it's Rory, he goes about things in a very, he's very rarely like half and it's like he's all in on a certain direction. It feels like, you know, whatever that direction is and he'll let you know about it. And so on the topic of where Rory's playing, another Dylan to share story on golf.com, looking at his upcoming schedule this year, he's, we went from a whole overhaul and a whole new schedule this year, set up to play more before majors, playing events he hadn't played in the past to kind of gear up for these majors to completely going back in a different direction and cutting way down on events. So no century this year, that's smart. It's smart. He, he played too much. So like he, he played Valera before the masters, just trying to like find a way to get in rhythm before the masters, but it just seemed like he had played much because remember he plays like overseas, beginning of the year or two. Correct. So, so that's so, and that's why he usually skips a century every year is because he's still overseas playing on the DP world tour. He's not going to play the cognizant this year like he played last year or the Valero Texas Open or a signature event in the RBC heritage. The one that popped for me the most was he's probably not going to play the first round of the playoffs. He said this to James Corrigan of the telegraph. I'll probably not play the first playoff event in Memphis. I mean, I finished basically dead last year this, this year and only moved down one spot in the playoffs. That's to me was like, this is why this is why the playoffs, having Rory McElway say that there has to be alarms going off and PJ to her headquarters saying, we have to change our playoff structure. Not next year now, like we can't afford to have Rory McElway saying this because we can't have our number one sponsor seeing Rory McElway say that and say, you know what, I can skip this week. I'll see it the BMW that to me was such an alarming statement and one that we've been calling for, we need a restructured playoff system. I think that there are a lot, a lot of different ways that this statement's being read among them and people saying, this is Rory kind of being fed up with being trotted out by the PGA tour and being used in a number of different ways, sort of a poster boy. And then, you know, things not going the way he wants them to go, which I think is an interesting viewpoint. But that to me is a huge, huge alarm, as you said, in terms of like, if we're going to have guys who are now skipping, we have a 70 player field out of this whole thing structured and one guy's going to say, I'm good on that elevated purse. I don't really need to, I'll just see, you know, wherever the BMW is. It's not good. That's not good. So we think Memphis should be in the spring anyways, it's too hot in August to have that event. And I don't see the huge difference in FedEx, like I know they want to have be a part of the last couple of events, but really when it comes down to it, like in August, I mean, people are out playing golf, like I think in the springtime, it's probably just as advantageous to be a standalone signature event. And you probably have just as good as ratings and get just as good as turnout from, probably had a much better turnout, honestly, in Memphis than you would then than you would in August. Yeah. I mean, I think you suggested a number of different solves on the show. I don't know where you end up. I mean, obviously you have the Comcast business tour that rewards just in season performance prior to the playoffs. And then we care so much about what, I mean, that's a, that's a crazy thing to me. It's like, you know, they've been so you're getting an extra two million dollars and nobody knows. Nobody knows. If I'm Comcast, I'm, I'm, I'm, it stuns me that they haven't like made bigger waves about this whole thing because it's essentially like in my mind, I think the last time I talked about it, I equated it to the English, you know, sort of soccer model or football model or whatever you want to call it, but it's like it's a much bigger deal to win English Premier League, you know, to hoist that trophy over the course of the season than to win the FA Cup, you know, the domestic sort of trophy. Now, okay. Maybe equated differently because they're player small for the world play on the PGA tour. The Champions League is probably on par with winning a domestic league trophy like the English, you know, Premier League, if not more important. So that's, you know, a rebuttal you could provide for the FedEx Cup. But point taken is like that the season long trophy that rewards consistency on week to week, like you heard Scotty clam around about when he showed up at East Lake this year should be a big deal. And so like that should be, you know, maybe you increase the size of that purse or you're just making more publicity around it, whatever. And then having some sort of finale sort of cup tournament like you suggested, it's like a seating tournament, whether that's Memphis or the BMW or whatever else. And then we go into East Lake and it's match play. I, you know, just don't figure it out. Yeah. They're going to have to change it, like that was honestly a nail in the coffin of what is already being talked about. They know they need to change their playoffs and they didn't need Rory McElroy to add on to one of their biggest sponsors and FedEx and which we hear a whole lot from them throughout the year. So I can't imagine that they're too happy about that. Well, I am excited to see Rory at the DP World Tour Championship this week. See that. Do you think it's going to be noticeable swing changes? Well, we watched it this week. I know. I mean, I'm saying I didn't, I didn't. I was preoccupied. I was so, I don't have a lot of time to watch it. Did you notice any better phrase? Did you notice any differences with the swing this week? That, that was a great question from a hand foot mouth expert right there. I can tell you all about infant, Tylenol and Motrin cycles. I can tell you all about that. Can't tell you about what Rory's backswing looks like right now, man. You could see it a little bit. I think it's more with the wedge is that he needs it the most. It's a, it's a feel versus real. Like we all notice it very slightly. Somebody else that just doesn't have an eye for the golf swing probably wouldn't notice much of a difference, but to Rory, it probably feels felt like such a big leap to get from where he was. Tori is now. There you go. I, yeah, I guess I guess I'll only go watch the highlights or I'll catch up on it when my son is healthy and less preoccupied this weekend. So that's all I got, Smiley, surprisingly low and slate, right? What are any, any final thoughts of the people? Are you excited about Alabama this week, man? Yeah. I have to have you come down and play some golf. We, we just, yeah, kick 50 or feel go. We just finished up our second junior golf Alabama event at a best day of country club, which I was probably the host of was able to get out on Saturday to watch the kids play because I had the bug, but was able to get out all day today, watch the kids play a lot of fun, shout out to swag golf for sending putters to all the nine division winners. That was really cool of them to do as well as tricks on for sending over golf balls for all the players. And also a shout out to our director of golf who today was his last day, he's taking a job up for Wilmington, L.A. Jones. So I did a great job of us, Stavia and I want to shout him out. I can't remember the name he, I can't remember the name of the course that he said, I haven't the only golf course I know there is Eagle Point. Yeah. I feel bad that I don't know the name that I should know, but yeah, yeah, sorry on the spot. Don't know the answer. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Very cool swag and tricks on. And that's another one I had in the notes. Shane Lowry got a full new bag of tricks on gear. Yeah. I actually, I actually read went through his, his bag to see what he was playing because I was like, do I need to, you know, make a send a little email to maybe get some more news, get some new clubs, some SK promo irons? Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's see about that. Yeah. Very good. Well, cool, cool deal for you in the tournament this weekend. Glad the bug didn't hold you down on Sunday. So that's what we got for this week. 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