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No. I'm looking for my mommy and daddy. I've been lost. No. No. I'm going to leave Drew with you too. No. I'm leaving. Bye. And you've got me. I'm Ian. Hi. I'm also a Cyberman apparently because I like maths and shit. So let's do non-spoilery views first. Doctor Who is a mindset, right? Like you can't go into Doctor Who thinking like this is Star Trek or this is Star Wars or this is like, you know what I'm saying? Like it took me about 30 minutes into like the first episode to remember. Oh yeah, I'm watching Doctor Who. Logic doesn't matter, right? Like it's sort of there's a moment where you're sort of like, okay, I forgot. I forgot that Doctor Who could be this way, right? You know what I'm saying? Because it kind of took a turn where there wasn't this kind of stuff where before if we remember like, you know, the Echolsons era, right, like it got pretty damn silly, right? It took me a while to kind of be okay with how silly these two episodes felt at times. But then once I settled in, you know, like, okay, Doctor Who and Chute was so, it's just, the guy is just so charismatic. Like you forgive everything almost. Like he makes you forgive whatever's happening on screen, like anything else that's happening on screen. So I kind of left being pretty okay with where these, this was this new iteration. I'm kind of feeling pretty kind of jazzed about these two episodes. I don't know why. I feel like in hindsight, while I was watching them, I was concerned. Like I was like deeply like, I was like, I don't know, I have problems. But then when they were both over, something switched in my brain and I was like, I think I'm okay. I think I like this. Let's go to Ben next. The first episode brought me back to this lovely little episode from the 11th Doctor where there was a baby and the Cybermen and the Cybermen were defeated by the power of love. And that is probably my least favorite episode of the entire show ever. But when this episode came out, it was like, oh no, babies again. And every time the show brings babies on, the entire show's IQ drops to cause those babies. And I don't know what it is. But if you bring a baby into Doctor Who, the show becomes like far more of a kid's show than it should be. This episode was definitely to introduce people to the show in a very safe and harmless way. The second episode was far better because it really started to touch on them all. There are consequences to everything that happens here. I just don't know if this new story direction is Doctor Who. Anytime that there's babies in it. I don't hate babies, I swear. If you have to clarify that you don't hate babies, you probably hate babies. I mean, that's kind of a thing, you know? Well, I'm very much kind of in Drew's camp on this. While I was watching them, I'm like, no, I don't like this. No, this is weird. I wasn't thrilled. By the time I got done with the second one, I was like, OK, I want to see what that's all about. Like, I'm ready for next week, because as long as it's got me coming back, it can get a little weird. That's fine. It pulled me around. The second, I was very concerned that I'd agreed to do this podcast after the first episode, but by the end of the second episode, I think I can see some breadcrumbs here. I want to see how aware this goes. I'm cautious, but cautiously optimistic. I think that's kind of where I stand on just about everything when I walk into something. I feel like I feel like I've been burned a lot in pop culture that I kind of walk into everything with like a cautious optimism. But yeah, yeah, so I totally feel where your head's at. Let's go into the spoiler section. If you haven't watched Doctor Who, why are you watching this? Come back after you've watched Doctor Who. But come back. Please come back. Don't leave us alone. I'm scared. Mommy, Daddy. Drew. Stop it. Sorry. First episode, which is called Space Babies. It starts off at the church and Ruby Road finishes where Ruby goes into the TARDIS, does oh my god, it's bigger than the inside type stuff, and we get a massive exposition dump straight in there for like, it feels like this is a reboot series to me. Yeah. What do you think about that? I even seen on IMDB, they've plastered as a separate series from 2023 to 24. Series one. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like the way it's being even advertised, like it's almost like everything that happened prior to this is like its thing and this is like a new, it's almost like, yeah, we're back to Eccleson. Like everything that like that, like when Eccleson, it was sort of like the old Doctor Who. We're doing the new and now we're, I feel like this is like a new moving forward, which is very interesting, I thought, as a branding, you know, it's like, enter your pointy and it's, it was a complete info. It was like here, you, if you've never seen Doctor Who before, this is the episode to start with. Right. Kind of. Right. It was interesting. Do you think everything you need to know? Vulture.com is calling it a soft reboot. I mean, you could call David Tennant going to live with Donna, Donna Noble is the hard end of that character then, if this is a brand new Doctor, brand new from, I don't know, I don't know how I feel about it. Yet there's still some references to, like they talk about us more than two and like there's clear references to the old, so it's not like they've forgotten it, like it's like not there, but it definitely feels, but Russell T. Davies cannot let Gallifrey live. It has to die again and he has to be the last one again, because Moffat took that away from him and he has to put it back. I mean, is that frozen somewhere that he has to find is not a thing to find? Yeah. And then you have that silly on the nose butterfly effect, and they go back to the dinosaurs. She steps on a butterfly and she becomes an alien type of race. I think she becomes a silurian, actually, you know, the, the underground lizard people who they're finding in another episode. Yeah. I think that implied that they became the dominant species, which was a good callback. Right. Because it looked, she was speaking in that like very matter of fact, like tone, like, like, like before, like, that species, like, that's right, and it totally makes sense. Yeah. So warm the nose. Did, did he, like, does he have the power to like revive a butterfly from being stepped on? I didn't quite understand. I think he just like breathed regeneration into it. Yeah. Okay. It's a little like, like, orange dust or yellow dust to come out or something. Yeah. Like, because it was a little like, make it obvious. And I don't want to do the orange dust anymore, do they? After that brief, John's in the past, where they go to a safer place, which is the year I wrote this down, two, one, five, oh, six. She just randomly calls out numbers and they go to a space station just outside her planet. They crash into it, actually, really, because Doctor still doesn't know how to land that fucking thing anywhere. So, like, the opening credits ends, you know, with the TARDIS going through the time worm hole or whatever. And it literally comes from opening her to right into the space station and it phases through the space station and then like, I thought that was like a one, like, it felt like a one shot. That was really cool. Like, I hadn't seen that. At least I don't think I've seen that before from Doctor Who. I thought that was a really, really well done. Yeah. I thought that CGI effect, I don't think it was really cool. It was like, straight from title sequence, like, it literally, like, left the title, like, the camera, like, turned from time and then, like, it was like a one shot, like, it didn't transition, like, the end credits with, like, black with the, you know, directed by or whatever, written by. Yeah. And then it usually cuts the boom and then it goes into, like, whatever. But this one was just straight into, it was pretty cool. They crash into the space station, they walk through some, some dark corridors for a second and are confronted with a monster. It's lizard-like, big, sharp tea, come everywhere. The doctor's really scared, which is really scary in itself because Doctor Who doesn't really get scared, although he gets scared quite a long new series so far. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Totally, yeah. Yeah. That was something I noticed. Like, it's so funny. He doesn't get scared, but he runs all the time, yeah. This isn't the first time that we've had a doctor who runs away. The second doctor did that all the time. So... Really? Yeah. Yeah. And even, uh, Whitaker's foster in a few episodes, I feel like, was okay with running. Like, she was like, we gotta run, you know, like, there was a few moments where... Yeah, she was like, come on, fams. Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think immediately when you saw that monster? It looked like, uh, we've got fish down here by the Ohio River that like to hang out by the intakes for the power plants, and, uh, they look like that. Oh, shit. So I'm just like, God, another walking on the grunt, no? Yeah. Don't go swimming in the Ohio River, folks. Yeah. That's just... Don't do it. That's the moral of that story. I thought it looked pretty cool. I thought it was like visually pretty jarring, like, scary-ish. Yeah. Like, if I was a kid, I think that would be like, oh, that was, that's creepy. And it reminded me of Alien. Yeah. It was shot in a way to, like, the first 15 minutes, like, when the court, like, going through the corridors felt very Alien 3, uh, yeah, vibes, like, it was really interesting. Yeah. I thought that was cool. In glimpses and sharp teeth, rather than the full image. Right. And then also kind of like you're seeing it from, like, camera, like these, like, the camera, like, overhead camera shots, which was like, like, so you're seeing, like, corridor hallway camera shots, which is very Alien 2 in a, in a sense, so I thought that was really neat. I've stopped from day one and hide and they find someone else who's on the ship. They find Eric. Just, just, you gotta rip the bandaid off, buddy. Come on. You just get to it. You just gotta do it. You're kind of... You're dancing. You're dancing. Eric, Eric is a young person. That's a person. Eric is a young person who can't walk. Eric is a baby. He's like... He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's a baby. He's like a six-year-old. Right. From the people that did it for the Twilight franchise, for that baby, because it's every bit is freakin' creepy and I don't like it. It's so weird. It's so weird. It's weird to me out in more than that Beckin' Monster, that the whole... I know that Ben doesn't like babies, but... No, no. I don't like these babies in particular. It's really weird. And then Eric leads them to the rest. So it was a nine-year fuel, the Captain Poppy, and the rest of the crew who are babies. I don't know what to say, but I don't know what to say, but I can't grow. So they're actually incredibly old, but still speakin' out like babies. I just can't. Why didn't they just make them telepathic or something? Just save the money on the CG, 'cause it was creepy as hell, and it made me want to turn the whole show off. Just make them telepathic. I mean, we've had weirdish stuff. The oud didn't have a mouth you could see? No. The oud didn't cool. Yeah. They could have had a technology that was reading their brains to translate a voice box. Right. I mean, the oud were cool, but I'm sure Drew would love to have one of those strollers, I'm sure. Yeah. You know what? It was funny, 'cause the moment you... I was sort of like, "Oh, wow, we went..." 'Cause he even made a point to be like, "Oh, five digits. Let's..." We are way in the future, and I'm thinking they still have the stroller I have. Just, like, it's robotic, right? Like, it looks exactly like the stroller I would buy at a store today. Like, I was looking for, like, more like baby Yoda SpacePod, kind of like, hovering vibe. Right? Like, that's in my mind when I envision these, when they first... I was like, "Why is that baby still on a fucking stroller?" Right? Like, they don't have better things than strollers nowadays, like, in the far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far future. So I was... Yeah. But again, like, this was my logic brain trying to make sense of Dr. Hu, and then, like, it took me a while. Right? Like, it took me a minute to be like, "It doesn't... No, no, no, that shit matters when I'm thinking of right now." So... Silly Grootik. Grootik. I redirect it. I redact it. The fact that they immediately latch onto them as they're mommy and daddy. And then they're like, "Yes, we'll be your mommy and daddy!" Oh, God, why? And I would immediately be like, "This show would be a hundred times better if those babies grew giant vampire teeth and bit them while they're hugging them." But unfortunately, that did not happen because the doctor doesn't have caution of these strange babies who survived on their own for, uh... No, Ben. No. No. Ben, did you not hear that the space babies, you can't just call babies. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, baby. It is, baby. Yeah. That would be annoying. He says it, like, seven times. Like, more than that, yeah, like, I could not say babies. Babies. Babies. I'm going to defeat, like, it was silly, but here's what I'm going to defend it because there are a few moments, and this might be me because I have like a three-year-old, right? Like a little older than those babies, but mentally getting close to where they're speaking. And there's a moment in the show where they're like, she's like, "Have you ever had a hug? And she's like, I've never had a hug." And like, that was like actually, like, I actually started getting like a little emotional there. I was like, "Oh my gosh." Like, this is like, like a little heartbreaking. Like, there's like, there are, there were some moments here with the space babies that I thought worked really well from an emotional standpoint, right? And then to bring in that month, like, it was an interesting juxtaposition of like, this scary, scary monster in these, like, emotional baby moments. Like, it was like, there was, it started to work on me. Like, I started to, like, the Whiplat, like that Doctor Who Whiplash that I really like, which is like, there's scary moments, but then there's these really nice emotional moments. And that's what I really like about Doctor Who. So that stuff really started to work for me. I don't know if that, if anybody else felt that. I was starting to get like that before they brought in the refugee metaphor. Yeah. Yeah, about the babies, you know, babies, refugees, you know, that entire link that tried to do. I was personally quite happy to see Queen Charlotte in something non-regency. Good point. I don't know. She's been Queen Charlotte before, and I don't know what that means. What? That means she... So she plays Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. Are you talking about the nanny? Yes. Nanny. Oh, sorry, nanny, my bad, I mispronounced it. So yeah, that's what happens. We hear what appears to be an AI voice over the intercom called nanny. It makes all the kids blow the noise because they've got company, and you don't want to notice nothing else is an in company, nanny invites the doctor and Ruby to five, three, five, seven, I think it was three, five, seven, it turned out that nanny was an actual person called Jocelyn who used to work in accounts. Fantastic. Golda. Roshika. I believe is her last name. She's beautiful, but I thought she was great in that, and she has a great voice for AI. Mm-hmm. I know. There was like one good line from her in the whole episode where she was basically like, I'm going to flow this thing out the airlock or something, and that was like the one part of the show that I thought, holy heck, something good is happening, and then the next part happened. Yeah. Also, I felt like an alien callback there, the monster at the airlock. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the running joke with her kind of, oh, wait, like the explicitives, like her being like redacted there, like the, the AI sort of like, what do you call it? Like retranslating her cursing into like, like something that would have baby would be okay with hearing. Yeah. She got censored in real time. Yeah, censored. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was pretty clever. I thought that was a fun one. I don't know. It gave me a channel every time. After they meet Jocelyn, they, they try to figure out what the, the bogeyman is, which is what the, the, this baby's space, baby's called it. Yeah. That doesn't translate across the pond really well, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Can someone over the, the end is another word for snot in here? No, I know. But you don't, do you call it the bogeyman or bogeyman? We'll call it the bogeyman. You call it the bogeyman? The bogeyman. It's more like bogeyman. I don't know. And like, we think that's a. I've read Terry Pratchett books where it's called the bogeyman, the bogeyman. Yeah. So like it's, it's an acceptable way of saying the bogeyman is an accept saying the bogeyman is a way of saying it over there. And yeah. And I think we gradually over time, it's become more Americanized and loads more people call it the bogeyman rather than the bogeyman. Right. And I've heard the bogeyman. Yeah. So, Charlie, you were with me and like every time they said bogeyman, I was like, what tough? Why are they saying that? Like is, I have a few British friends. So I, I, I kind of knew, but it was really, I had to keep reminding myself that they also said bogeyman. Instead of bogeyman. Right. I, I, yeah, I assume too, but I was maybe like waiting for the shoot a drop or something like they were doing something there and I don't know if that was interesting. Well, yeah. And it doesn't translate as well for us in real time because we don't call snog bogeys, we call them boogers. Right. That's when the shoe drop, then I was still sort of like seeing, I'm not sure that worked out. But like, our word for boogers is completely bad in retrospect from you guys. It means something different. So we couldn't have spelled differently as well. Ben. Yeah. Right. It's a different word altogether. Let's leave that there. Especially when we're talking about space, baby. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we use that word here too. Oh, okay. They figure out that they want to go and go after this, this bogeyman. And on the way they see that little baby Eric, little baby Eric has already gone to try to try and face down because Ruby Sunday is such a brave person. Yeah, and these armed with tiny wooden sword, the doctor and Ruby go after him, but on the way, the doctor has some episode about Ruby Sunday and it starts knowing that's very strange. Yeah, and like, that gets like the finger point of doom at him in his mind and then it starts lying. It's like you. So, who had the vision, though? Was it him or her? I think it was him, you think so? Yeah, I think so. He's not crying. He's crying a lot in this. Yes, I cry in and he remembered being pointed out by the which the pointer of doom, which wasn't in the original first. No, I think no, he even says that didn't happen. So, yeah, I don't know. No, I just don't think he remembers it happening because in church, I'm a review road. He does see that clogged figure. It does turn at him, but he didn't see the Pope. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's like the event is happening in his mind in real time and continuing every time you think about it. Something happened during those like little seconds that we didn't see on camera that makes him terrified again of going back to that moment. Yeah. And it keeps bringing up, like the coincidence thing keeps happening too. Yeah, which is, seems like, we're back here again. We're back here to the, you know, the girls. The companion is important somehow. Yeah, I don't know why we have to continue to come back here with that, but here we are again, which I'm a little like annoyed by. I don't know why. The Bogeyman almost gets Eric, but somehow Eric seems to have survived and hidden before the Bogeyman got him, and he can't walk. And he was behind some sort of panel, and he can't use his arms because it's all on polystrings at any way. I don't quite understand how I put fair play to Eric, he's crafty either my guy. I don't understand how it happened. The monster was right there. You're thinking way too hard about it. Your monster was right there. You know, Eric probably has, you know, could, you know, babies have pretty strong baby strength. That's a thing. My kid could like punch me in the face when he was like one and a half and it hurt. Oh, yeah. I mean, if he really wanted it was scared enough, I think the adrenaline kicks in that baby can open it. I'm saying you could rip open any door, like you make a door. Yeah, babies are pretty strong. My daughter busted my lip once, and she was little. I don't have children, so you guys are the experts. I don't think baby Eric could have faced off against the bogeyman. I think, you know, listen, you're under mist the main space, baby powers. I mean, I was kind of thinking that, you know, he's got to motorize a little scooter. Like, why didn't he just like jousted? Well, we already had a wheelchair with missiles. We could have a baby crib with missiles. It took over after five seconds, though, for some reason, like Eric shifted. I mean, I bet you that shoulder had like a Swiss army knife or something like that, you know, like pro Eric. He's a brave little baby. It's like Eric. Eric can get started. Oh, now it's very scary. Oh. Oh. Wow, yeah. The doctor and Ruby go and figure out what the bogeyman is. Oh, wait. We missed the best part. We're all the babies lined up with flamethrowers and flam the monster. Yes, that's true. I did forget about the flamethrower babies. Another alien reference. I liked it. Yeah. Don't give babies weapons again. Babies can buy flamethrowers at least two months old. You keep missing the important adjective before babies. It's space space. These aren't just regular fucking babies. These are space space space. You're going to have one of these people saying it. You have people picketing outside BBC headquarters like you're giving babies weapons. What? No, no, we're giving space babies weapons. It's a different thing. It's totally different. Our babies from space. Yes. Come on, people. Ruby Sunday gets gunged in good old kids TV type gunged, flying everywhere. And then they figure out what the bogeyman is. It's a bogeyman. It's very literal. It's made of snot. It's made of snot. It's a living sneeze. I love that. That's what I'm calling my ex-husband from now on. And Ruby gets gunged and has a freak out which is great. I think it's kind of cool, actually. I mean, do you think it's -- well, the concept of it. Yeah. It's taking the DNA from the children because it's actually one of the children. So that's kind of cool. But it's also kind of going back to the episode where we had David and his wife. Oh, the doctor's daughter. Yeah. The doctor's daughter episode. Oh, yeah. Peter David's his daughter. Did anybody think -- I thought there was a moment where I thought the snot was all going to blow off of it in the airlock. And it was going to just be like a little kid holding on. Yeah, I was expecting that to be a baby. Yeah. And then it happened and I was kind of like, I don't understand why -- I don't understand why we can't blow this thing on the airlock. I still didn't understand why we had to keep it a lot. I was given the show a 10 out of 10 if the monster had gone up after the doctor saved it and started ravaging him in the airlock. And they had to reopen it. I'm going to stop it just getting -- so skip a little bit, but the doctor gets it to the airlock. Jocelyn/Nanny tries to get it out of the airlock. The doctor somehow overpowers the power of a vacuum to reach across to hit a button, which he could only set about three times in the show, which was pushed that button. And somehow he gets sucked to the wall that's not where the vacuum is. And the wall sucks him in instead of the vacuum. It's better not to think too hard about physics. I wish there was like a -- I wish shows from -- I wish someone would write a scientific thing like, "Hey, if you're going to show a vacuum like an airlock on a TV show, this is how airlock's fucking work." The moment it's depressurized, you basically start bleeding out of your eyes and your orifices and you can't breathe and you die. So there's no blowing wind and being -- I mean, it's just it doesn't -- I'm like, even for Doctor Who, I was a little like, "Come on, y'all." That's not how that would go down. This is the third time he's been in a vacuum trying to hit a switch to disclose an airlock, by the way. There was an episode where the sun was going to destroy a ship and you have to stay on the outside of it and hit a lever back in David Tennant's. Yeah, at least in the TARDIS, there's like a reason like it's like the TARDIS protects them from the orbit. You know, like, okay, like there's magic there, kind of like space technology magic happening, but yeah, I don't know. The space vacuum doorway blowout, air, constant airthing, it really listens to me. It's not monster survives. Yeah. I don't know if it's -- we abilitated now, it almost died, but it -- It's our friend now, we almost killed it. It's our friend now, we can't kill it, you know it's my abomination. I know. That's how it works in anime. You beat him up and become your friend. And to be clear, the explanation and -- you guys correct me if I'm wrong here. The explanation was that the machine that was making the babies was said like because we have babies, space babies, we have to have a space villain. Because the education system went out of whack when everyone left, so it kept trying to teach the babies, but it had to make more literal sense out of it. That's the actual teacher's effect of. So it made a creation out of their DNA, so in essence, this abomination was an actual baby at the same time. So what I'm hearing is that in any good society, you have to have something to hit for everyone else to behave. I don't need it to hit me over the head with the metaphor it's trying to do, but this one was a little confused. The refugees, we have an abortion conversation, what's going on? Or are you just trying to throw a bunch of little things in a blender and hope we pick up on one? I hope we don't throw them in a blender. There's a lot of good here, but there was a little, I think, for the first episode, if I was coming into this cold, I'd be like, what is this show? I'm not sure what I'm watching right now. I think if I was watching this for the very first time, or with somebody who had never seen any doctor who, I'm pretty sure they'd walk away pretty confused about what is going on. And what doctor who is, as a show, and I wouldn't even know what to tell them after that either. I'd be like, wait for it, I don't know. And then, towards the end of the episode now, they activate the poo thrusters. Oh god, I forgot that. They thought there were to the refugee planet. Poos thrusters activate. They're all poo thrusters, and then they leave on the tardis and work out where they're going to go next. The doctor tells Ruby she can never go to the church on Ruby Road on a birthday. It could cause a massive paradox, he says. Yeah, they're going to be sucked into and it would be the computer. We're going to have a paradox at a church again, just like the father's day episode. Lovely. But it's not like he's not been to see himself about a million times. Unless they significantly change stuff and not just let it play out. Well, I think it's, I don't see his argument. But it's not, it's about her changing her own history. We had Billy Piper saving her father. Right. Yeah. So that's, that would be a reason for her not to go because it could stop her mom. Right. This feels a lot like, yeah, this feels like Ekelson. Like I'm like, we'd like, when I'm watching, when I was watching this and with the whole thing with Ruby and then the whole thing with Rose, not being able to travel to that time. Like I was like, wow, this feels like we are back to that thing. And even some of the tone here in this show, like, I'm like, we're back there. Yeah, 100%. I felt, I was feeling that much. So close out with the doctor not trusting Ruby at all, as far as he can throw her and doing the DNA tests. And you are not the father of the space babies. Could you guys, could you guys make out any readings? I couldn't like it was. It was all advanced machine. It's having some trouble with a DNA test. Yeah. Yeah, I just see a lot of red places and I'm like, I don't know when any of that. That doesn't mean anything. It's just perfect. I think I'm going to call and gather anything from that. Yeah. We should probably go on to the second episode, The Devil's Called. Hey! We start off in 1925 with a piano lesson for a little kid with a stupid cap on. He's doing piano, but he's not actually playing anything. He's letting his teacher play everything, so actually he's probably not having a piano lesson. The teacher's just playing for the kid. And his name's Henry Binger. Is that important? You're laying out there like it's important. Sure, thanks. Oh, yeah. I know you're going. Sorry. Yeah. He's telling me about a bit of Binger, which goes to H. Binger, which goes to Harbinger. Harbinger of death and destruction. And the music teacher for such an apparent genius doesn't realize that a H. Binger is evil. He's evil by encouraging him to do music. How dare you? Yeah. So he works out The Devil's Called, which is obviously never been played by anybody in the world before this point in the timeline. And someone turns up. Who turns up? It's Jinx Monsoon from RuPaul. And he's having it all up beautifully. Sorry. And it's the maestro as they like to be called. You know, those kids in the hall from theater group, it felt like that. Like everyone doing fame, fingers. Charlotte, I know you're a theater. I feel attacked. Charlotte, do you remember that? No. No. I mean, I already love this one. I loved it though. I mean, but it is camp. And this show can be campy. There is no denying. Oh, I had no problem. It could be campy. So this was definitely camp, but it was so much fun. Yeah, I agree. To get a drag queen in there as a character is just amazing. I thought that performance was just brilliant. I can't say anything bad about it. Then we're like the best part of this episode for sure. Yeah, it was fun. It was really fun. And fitting with the character will get to who the character is in the grand scheme of things in a bit when they actually reveal it. But in the grand scheme of who that character is and where they fit into the lore, it made perfect sense that performance. I don't know. Yeah, it just made perfect sense. They take the music from the genius music man, then do the fourth wall break. They look at the camera and go, let's do this shiz. I can't remember what they actually said. I'm going to say let's do this shiz. And then they start playing on the piano and it's the theme tune to Doctor Who. And that plays for the first five, ten seconds of the credits. And that was great. I loved that. Yeah, it was nice. They're really playing with the credits at the moment. And I do appreciate that. Yeah, I did too. It's a nice touch. The toy maker did fourth wall breaks too, didn't he? Yeah, that's relevant. Yeah. Okay. I was like, is this a thing in the show now where everybody's Deadpool? I don't know. I don't know. Because the Doctor of Fourth wall breaks later on, which I was a little bit weirded out by. He does in the Christmas episode too. Yeah. Really? It's either the Christmas episode or the bi-generation episode. Like truly fourth wall breaks or like looks into the camera like he's looking at a character. No, that's fourth wall break. Fourth wall break. Just before the end number, the fourth wall breaks of this episode. Yeah. Yeah. I have to go back and watch it. Ruby Sunday decides to go and see the Beatles record their first album at Abbey Road Studios, before it was called Abbey Road Studios. They go into the recording session by duping a tea lady because everyone's called Janet, apparently, in London. And they go in there and what the fuck is that song? Terrible. Terrible. It's great. It's bad. I love my dog. Yes. It's great. It's great. It's great comedy. It's great. Because they let the song keep going and they keep waiting for it. Because even the Doctor and Ruby are like, is this? You know, they're waiting. Are we being duped? What's going on? Maybe they're just getting levels. We'll wait. Yeah. No. It goes on so long. It's truly funny. It's good editing. It's good. That's good direction. I am not proud to say that for the first five to ten seconds. I thought it might have been a Beatles song. Wow. Like a B-Sides. Yeah. That's the same sort of vibe, you know? Do they kick you out if you don't know every Beatles song by heart? No. Not really. It's really beautiful. And then they go and see "Sill of Black". I don't know if you know who "Sill of Black" is in the States. She is more, I mean she was a pop star in the '60s, but she was more remembered for people of minor Ben Age of being like a TV show presenter for like blind date. She did blind date over here. Okay. And like "Siding Night TV" shows. Yeah. Okay. But yeah. But I had her career. She didn't love music. Anything like that. Oh really? No. Well she's supposed to be pretty. It seemed like it was like really young in her career. Yeah, I didn't quite. I just figured she was somebody important, but I never took the time to do a role or care for the role of who she was. Yeah. Also from Liverpool as well. And Ruby talk about how music is well-important. Like it's so important that we need to get the music back. They go up to the roof, they put a piano there. And then before they get to the piano, the doctor introduces Chekhov's granddaughter. He's his granddaughter, which he's obviously going to use. Oh yeah. See it later in the series somehow. He talks about Susan, and he's like, "She might have just died. I don't know. I don't know what happened to her. She may have just gone." You can't spend so long saying, "Oh, I don't know where she is," but then not find her later on in the series. It doesn't make sense not to use her if you get introduced to him. Like no one, I don't remember who Susan is, but I don't remember that being a thing in Doctor Who lore. So to introduce her in such a big reboot as being important. Well, I mean, she's introduced in the first, very first season. Yeah, she was the first Doctor's granddaughter. She was the first Doctor's granddaughter. As far as I know, she left the series after she stayed with a guy in the 22nd century. Yeah. It was definitely like a break from there. If we think about how Ruby Sunday is supposed to be some sort of weird, we don't know who she is, sort of person, could be related. But if he took her DNA, the TARDIS should pick up a time more immediately, right? Really nice ballad, Ruby plays. It was very nice. I wish the piano was tuned a little bit better. It was a bit plunky. Wow. Strong critique, and were you a music nerd or something? I didn't know that. No? No? You just got a good eye for a well-tuned piano. The piano is just a bit plunky. Maybe old may need the weights and stuff in it. I wouldn't have picked that up. At the end of the song, you hear... Did a little giggle? Yeah, and then the maestro reappears from the plunky piano. the plonky piano and they run yeah just like nope can't be dealing with that we gotta go you know I'm out fuck this shit totally some PTSD kickin in I never run from anything it's like a far cry from where we were with like the 11th doctor we like literally like shouts like I am like he's basically I'm the one you should be running from you know I'm the you know like this protected you know like vibe you know very confident and yeah very yeah it's different it's a different I kind of like it I don't know it's nice to have a dark doesn't it doesn't seem who seems like there may be something out there better like more powerful than him I like that I like this version I mean the maestro is pretty menacing not menacing with the way they they look and act but also to a hyper degree the way that they're looking at is menacing because they're so over confident that nothing can touch them yeah I really liked that we introduction of the maestro she sells the the terror terrifiedness it makes it even scarier I also do love that they get distracted by an old grandma plonky on a piano enough to be like I must go kill them right now and they do yeah and that woman is actually the same woman who designed Tom Baker's golf yeah the old woman who gets killed in the maestro is the same woman again I think this is where that the casting comes in really important like I don't know that you I'm sure that there are men that would be able to do something like that but to do it with such confidence I think you need somebody who walks in heels that often puts on makeup that often is comfortable in that kind of skin yeah as often as jank says to be able to really sell it so I was just we're just tickled just watching them just yeah have a ball they manage to get away after some sort of cone of silence they get to the tardest and run back to the future 2024 2024 and it's a wasteland yeah atomic war they specifically say without music the bombs fall I like how they they appear like the maestro just like appears like the show yeah it was pretty cool reveal like pretty creepy because it's like a pull-away shot that you feel like it's like the moment where like it would fade to black you know like a like we're pulling away like you know and then you just see the her fur or their foot you know like on the way oh that's that's a nice reveal it really sells that this is a powerful being that they catch the doctor immediately yeah yeah and then how they are able to like manipulate like the toy maker was able to do this to like manipulate the area around the doctor which is very good like it's almost they have the ability to conjure or put you into like a new space or dude like like the lighting like the two lights that come down and like the black blacking out of it like I don't I'm not quite sure like it almost feels too powerful right like it almost like when they when you're able to do stuff like that I feel like you're almost you're basically a god and that's kind of how they set the toy maker up yeah this whole and they're all Godzilla yeah they are yeah that's what they that's what they said in it yeah and the end it's where they mentioned the pantheon the legions are coming that's what they said and the one who waits at the end of it all which means Rory Williams gonna come back and kill everyone yeah what do I feel like Ruby's gonna be the one the main villain that I mean is she the the companion that's leaving at the end of this series being the main villain you heard of here first folks I mean that would be playing a very long game in the midst of this conversation whether spotlighted and and Maestro's playing piano they find out that Maestro is the spawn of the tournament toy maker but it seems they are subscribed they're on personal rules set like a maestro canoni effect music and sound and the toy maker could only affect game for games so they're all sort of limited in a way but they're still extremely powerful I think they're wrong and that they're making their own rules as they go along and they've just taken on this side of the personality person did the the supervillain thing of telling them how to defeat them and so the devil's chord brought them into being so there's a banishment chord chord let's call it angel chord for sake of everything so it's rumple stilts getting type deal so the doctor goes into the studio and starts strumming a guitar like he's gonna find it within five seconds and Ruby gets taken with ten rules made out of musical notes it was really kind of cool to see just somebody tied up with with staffs that's just a fun way to visualize that the maestro being like this is the only person music left in the heart when I'm just thinking of Peter Capaldi playing that guitar and just say ah dear how far we've come I mean it's also bullshit yeah we know that it was bullshit they're in little conversations that they'd had with Lennon McCartney they could see that there was some music in there just it was just buried deep down Ruby Sunday has been got and tied up in the middle of the air like she's been got by the the mind flayer of a of stranger things but with instead of weird meaty things she's got score like musical score coming out of her and the maestro's really confused because there's a hidden song in the middle of Ruby Sunday and then it starts snowing again and this time choir the bell the carol the bell starts saying it starts playing as well yeah the maestro goes what the actual heck is going on and starts that's going like more like freak out mode it's weird to see such a powerful being being scared by Ruby I don't know scared is the right word intrigued and disturbed maybe yeah what kind of mad - yeah that creature is raw welcome back Drew welcome Barry yeah sorry like my bros are like I got a spinning wheel thing and we got a dr. Strange music battle yeah I felt that I was I was gonna comment on that that's funny you mentioned that I really wanted maestro just start playing the devil went down to Georgia but unfortunately we didn't get that yeah I was I was hoping they would play yeah I was kind of hoping and don't get me wrong I knew them I know how expensive the rights are to pieces of music and to utilize them so I have to kind of pick their pick their choices very strategically but yeah I was kind of hoping they would play like different little little snippets of different songs or something like that we recognize and would be able to kind of like bobber ahead too but it kind of just felt like random musical modes it wasn't even Julian Banger yeah it's should be meaning yeah it should have felt like a like a dance battle where they can pick up off each other and run one up it right like I didn't quite it didn't fill it it just felt like they were both playing sounds like I was like okay I don't know great versus Ken drinks I should have been doing right yeah it's I don't know what I'm saying no no you nailed it pop culture pop culture right here oh no I'm just like no I don't don't want to get into that but my son was trying to educate me and I'm just like I don't care your mother is 45 she's old and tired no just don't care what teenagers are having a pissing contest about no one actually got hurt by all the music that we were flying around yeah I would have thought the Maestro would have just won miraculously doctor the doctor knows most of the angel God he whiffs the last note though what an idiot yeah cuz the Maestro's just like you need to be a genius to know they said you're not a genius and doctors like bat and then lose it and then get six of the cards in the fails oh guess I'm not a genius sorry yeah if I was interpreting what's going on and let me know if I'm if you guys are on the same page but it felt like the chords are sort of based on emotions that like this is the core like I need to get these six or whatever emotions across from these chords right like this it's not like a necessarily a song just chords yeah a rhythm of chords are being hit and a pattern well based on a state yeah the type of the type of corded is too so like the the devil's chord is in a minor key so it sounds dissonant it sounds down right and the angel chord is in a major key so it's up gives you an up kind of feeling so yeah in my head I was like is it as simple as playing the devil's chord backwards right like but in a different key like I actually thought about that like is like oh is it as simple as that right like a I mean you can trans yeah you can transpose any any key yeah I'm not clever enough to remember symbols and musically know enough to see if there was a if that was the case or if that was a pattern there or something yeah I didn't I would need to see it on paper paper right side-by-side or something yeah but I couldn't remember and I don't I'm not musically inclined enough to like listen to something and be like oh that was the that was C but C major and he bladed and C minor before you know like I'm not maybe somebody's maybe maybe a genius out there but Jean the genius turns out to be two people in the end when Dr. Whiffs that last now gets laughed in his face which is just embarrassment topic embarrassment epic prank maestro Ruby gets put in a shallow Dr. gets put in a some sort of drum and the piano goes flying into the corridor and he's there what just walking by next to a piano Glennon McCartney turned up and goes I don't know what to do with it and then do the didn't know that and then it's just like I just want to go home you get a regular job and if we play the the angel chord the maestro goes back into it I think went into a piano didn't they yeah they get sucked back into music I think and then one last there ominous the one who waits is that on his way it's not gonna be long now kids paraphrasing as you can always paraphrase yeah you can watch the rest to see if he comes on Disney plumbers I know we've been joking around it it's not Rory is it it's not I'm sorry it can't be Rory I would fucking love it if it was just like a maniac we're already alternate universe Rory like yeah the headstone was just a ruse because he was still part Cyberman yeah yeah and then why does it tie into Ruby why is that matter yeah it's a lot of work probably the cloaked figure as well something to do with it yeah the coincidences timing or whatever right well I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a fairy tale that Russell T Davies is basing this all on where it's gonna turn out the one who wins is a fairy tale character and that's gonna turn out to be the one who wins because they're all sort of fairy tale characters in a way bad wolf yeah like bad wolf could it be like another like I don't know like another doctor up there it could be a lot of things really he leaves a lot of people behind it's probably not a time lord because the toy maker like snapped his fingers and the master was gone yeah it could even be David Tenant's doctor who waits at Donna's house for too long and goes mad because Donna's man just drives him nuts that's the best one I've heard so far and he's like I can't stand it anymore like I'm becoming the time-lord victorious again screw this stand they're cooking their stories are terrible yeah I don't know yeah it would be interesting to see I mean I'm all for like the big mysteries that dr. who does and those are always fun I liked this episode I just felt it yeah I took like your to your point the the cleverness to beat her or they the my show was it just didn't feel clever it felt more like ha ha I can play moat music too kind of like I'm like ah like you came up those notes like it they made it a point to be like you have to be a musical genius you have to that bubble and like you just like the Beatles the next door yeah like it then it yeah coincidence that I just always hate it when it feels a little bit like I like to see I like to see the homework I like to see the arguments happening like I like when they show me how you get to how he got from point A to point B a little bit so that that would be my only major critique but at the I thought the performances and the visuals you're acting like the episode so oh no yeah yeah it was good till then we bally would it and then I bally would it it's got to be a twist no that doesn't have to be a twist charlie what did you think about the twist listen so I've I've been to school a few times my first time through I was a musical theater major I love me some musical theater I don't need it in my doctor who why why are we getting musical numbers why why is this happening because music is back and everyone's happy music's back and we have to have a big song and dance about it here totally I just want to know if Davey's like went down some sort of like musical rabbit hole while he was way and she's like I like musicals now I'm gonna write them everything sure yeah a lot of music happening in between the last four or five episodes but yeah but the little boy is back to re summon the mice droid anytime yeah as soon as you find someone willing to play that card again our Henry Binger was in the corridor which is the one who waits maybe well there's something quite a job of waiting he's doing stuff in here yeah there's something quite interesting about that there was a character in torchwood season one in the last episode who was kind of the exact same character he was an old man who'd basically wait to try and summon Abaddon from the rift and he was a sort of harbinger in a way so it's like I'm seeing this in the new who is that Russell T. Davies is taking things from his older works and reincorporating them into this so it's like that character and like the old man in that and this little boy are kind of exactly the same because the moment he summons the demon he's like my work is done and vanishes just the same so it's like yeah I feel like if they somehow worked out that those two characters were the same just in different points of time it would kind of be really interesting that the Russell T. Davies universe could they melt together like that here's the deal I like musical numbers I thought that was fun it it should have been an after credits kind of vibe like like almost like a bonus thing it felt weird kind of ending like it because it felt like the episode ended and then there's a musical number and then the episode ended again I was like I don't understand what's happening right now but I thought it was fun they all look like they're having a great time and they all can perform like here's what I like about what's going on with Dr. E right now everyone on the show is a performer like they feel like they're giving it their best right I'm even coming around milligibson milligibson yeah I'm coming around I'm starting to really kind of dig it I would take episode two over most of anything that came out of chibnol to be honest like it's it doesn't need to be well written it just needs to be well entertaining yeah which is what Dr. who should be not all Dr. who was ever well written but it was always entertaining and that's the card for sure all right and that's it that's the end of the recap portion of the podcast let's go on to our final scores and let's go we're drew I really like both these episodes I would probably give the second episode is the better of the two episodes but I you know again I think I'm glad they went with two episodes as a premier because I think we needed both of them I think if you're of just coming into Dr. who you need episode one it's the info dump episode it's kind of giving you a lot of information who doctor who is and blah blah blah it's giving you all the stuff that we already know like if you're a big fan you're like yep two hearts got it bigger on the inside yep cool it's sweet but I liked I liked I like both of these I think I'm gonna end up giving episode one like a seven and that's kind of me not really just like the space but not really getting over the space babies right like it's again it got emotional and it was cool like moments that felt really real and really powerful but like there's still some weird logistic things that I kind of can't seem to get my head get over in my head but I'd like to homage to aliens there's a lot of homage to aliens and stuff like that a lot of homage to I think Eccleson era in there that felt really cool and because I like that era so again I'm not gonna like really shit on it I think it's still a pretty fun opening new soft reboot as you said Charlotte and so and then the second episode just really leaned into kind of what Davis does really well which is kind of set up a big arc and here we go right off to the races right and I thought it was a lot of fun I like the I like that I'm not I usually like episodes that are more space driven and more fantasy than the grounded sort of hey we're on earth and doing earthly things but I actually thought this was pretty cool because I like the fact that they were having fun with the Beatles and Abbey Road and love the outfits they look awesome the like he is so charismatic the new doctor is just he just owns the screen man I don't know what it is and I like watching him he carries the show 100% is so as I don't think this show will fail because of him Davis could write garbage all day long and maybe Moffat's episode next next week will be garbage and he'll save it I don't know we'll find out but he carries the show so I'm gonna give I'm gonna give an 8.5 for the second episode first episode I can't get past the freaking animation on the space baby spaces I know so I'm gonna give that one a six just between Charlotte and her saving grace second one love Jinx love that they were a part of this I thought it was absolutely a blast and I agree with Drew shooty is really just owning the character he stepped in is like yep it's me now it's what you got and I I love it I think it's great that one I think I probably give about a nine because it was really fun episode even with the musical number okay well space babies I keep thinking four or five so I'm gonna give it 4.5 if only for the fact that a lot of this stuff wasn't the worst but there were some parts that were just really confusing and for a first episode I think it really let down giving the tone of the series I think it was just a bit too baby-ish not space baby-ish and it really it really didn't make the the show seem all to all too enticing to anyone above the age of 12 but the second episode was was one of the best ones I really enjoyed it I enjoyed the performances all around like you you guys have said shooty is definitely carrying the show it's probably he's probably one of the better doctors that has come out for a long time so I'm really excited to see where he goes I would give the episode of 10 but the musical number makes it a nine sorry unsolicited musical can't can't do it sorry that's also fair so basically we what we learned today is Ben hates babies and I don't hate musicals I am ambushed musicals I keep flitting back and forth on the first one a bit on space babies I am like overly aware that that space babies it wasn't for it just wasn't for doctor who funds it just wasn't for legacy doctor who funds it's for the new people they're trying to get in from Disney+ it's it's it's it has enough in it that that that makes me think that all right fine it's this it's still connected it's still the same doctor but it just doesn't it didn't it didn't feel right to me that that one and yes a lot of that is because of weird CGI space babies but after Jody Whitaker's preachy serious political tone which I'm not saying that there isn't political stuff in these two episodes but the very serious political tone of Jody Whitaker's just feels like someone's gone let's swing a bit too hard the other way just for a couple of episodes and I'm hoping that the next one will be slightly more serious in tone because I don't know if I can cope with the amount of ridiculousness that there has been so far the synopsis for the next episode is the doctor is stuck on a landmine and can't move and Ruby Sunday has to help him get off it oh you want it's serious yet serious so space babies get to five but it almost doesn't matter what I give it because it my opinion as a legacy doctor who van doesn't really matter for space babies I've just spent the last two minutes talking about it and just pretend that I never said it no yeah the devil's chord was a lot better I enjoyed a lot of it I enjoyed Jynx monsoon's performance so I probably give that a seven and a half I it's not at the stage that I wanted to be yet but I just I want to see how this this series sort of plays out and where it goes from here I feel like we've probably got away it got away from the most ridiculous episodes of the season and if I'm wrong about that I'm I'm not gonna be that happy can't wait for Ian to be completely wrong yeah like doctor who's always been ridiculous that's why yeah it's like you have to like like literally there's like a whole entire episode where like people are just stuck in traffic oh I forgot about gridlock you know like I mean it's just so silly or like there's episodes were like like the moon is a giant egg right like it's ridiculous shit and right so like you have to I think it I think what it what occurs era we forgot that doctor who was ridiculous it really is it's just really wait there's an episode in Whittaker where there's a God frog that's and the frogs just standing there being like I am god I feel like it's being played for the rate ridiculousness rather than trying to make it serious about the ridiculousness like you have ridiculous shit going on but everyone's taking it seriously but this one is ridiculous shit is going on and everyone's acting ridiculously true yeah there's a bit of it was the the mommy daddy and then they were like come here I feel you man like it was a hard it was a you're right it was like someone someone decided to turn the worst during a little bit - yeah yeah we need to know we need the knees and and then have a ridiculous and then he's backing down yeah I feel you I feel you I do have a question for you guys for the future episodes that I'd like us to make about do we think they will somehow get a Mickey Mouse into the episodes at some point a Mickey Mouse oh because it writes because the rights are no no but I here's what I do want is they did drop Star Trek and I kind of want the crossover to happen right now she was like is our is our what did she say I forget she's like oh well because he actually says a wolf visit them later or something like that yeah we'll get to them later he said yeah yeah I was like oh shit if there's a strange new world's dr who crossover coming I am signing the fuck up even if he just shows up for like a half second he's like oh wrong ship and like they bail I don't know if I can cope with that oh I can can we can we have it in a dr who episode where they like drop him into an episode of like next generation it interrupts like a conversation between the card and Q right that would be like Q snaps his fingers and like they show up with like yeah yeah it was just like hey dr thank you you don't like to have like a quick banter like see you later yeah he's just like I'm one of the toy maker's aunties John Delancy to show up to play one of one of the newer ones that would be awesome in my brain yeah yes anything to make Ian more salty okay so that that I think that that fabs us up right we after talking about the dr who star Trek crossover that's definitely definitely gonna happen they're both on well one's Disney one's paramount I don't know if Disney buys paramount it's on possibly yeah it could happen yeah they might do it just to get South Park that's true there we go then thank you very much everybody for watching and listening and we'll be here every week of this dr dr who run watching now on couch soup podcast services everywhere and YouTube if you like what we do please please consider subscribing to the couch group membership we support independent creators like us thanks everybody bye bye everybody COVID numbers aren't killing people fast enough anymore I work for a cascade company uh yeah that's interesting that because I was like I'm not sure how that ties in but uh now it now it all makes shit that was morbid well if I could direct you to watch these face babies that went all over the symphonic wow right now we'll see you all next week guys it was no going no no you just record it without us so it's actually good it's right we'll cut it all together it'll work out just right it'll work out it'll work out oh my god it was great are you ready to go down the rabbit hole the all things Alice podcast will explore the cultural phenomena of Alice in Wonderland Frank Bador the author of the Looking Glass Wars trilogy is your host through a wonderverse of interviews from all types of creators as they chronicle the dark yet empowering reality of Lewis 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The Doctor Who Watching Now Podcast is back for the soft reboot of Doctor Who. Now helmed by Ncuti Gatwa and his assistant Ruby Sunday (Millie Gibson), the first two episodes dropped in the same weekend! Join Couch Soup contributors Iain McParland, Ben Hazell, Charlotte Merritt, and Drew Lewis for Watching Now, discussing the episodes’ ups and downs. Is Russell T. Davies the savior of Doctor Who? How many musical numbers will we get? How many times will we say the phrase “Space Babies” in this episode? Find out all of this, and more! And then tell us how many because we’d really like to know!
