611. Fareed Zakaria on What Just Happened, and What Comes Next

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After a dramatic election, Donald Trump has returned from exile. We hear what to expect at home and abroad — and what to do if you didn’t vote for Trump.
SOURCE:
- Fareed Zakaria, journalist and author.
RESOURCES:
- "The Most Dangerous Moment Since the Cold War," by Fareed Zakaria (The Washington Post, 2024).
- "America’s Failed Approach to Iran Can’t Really Be Called a Strategy," by Fareed Zakaria (The Washington Post, 2024).
- Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present, by Fareed Zakaria (2024).
EXTRAS:
- "Are We Living Through the Most Revolutionary Period in History?" by Freakonomics Radio (2024).
- "Are Private Equity Firms Plundering the U.S. Economy?" by Freakonomics Radio (2023).
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After a dramatic election, Donald Trump has returned from exile. We hear what to expect at home and abroad — and what to do if you didn’t vote for Trump.